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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Listen live at Tasmania Talks dot com dot au. This
Tasmania Talks Big hour on the way says he about
just around the corner. We'll talk to her about all
sorts of things, but right now talking about Danny Gibson.
Isn't this a strange situation. We're going to be talking
about somebody else and I don't even know we're doing it.
Jenny Finlay's on the line, Get a Janey, Hey, how
(00:21):
are you? I'm alright, We're here to talk about Danny.
What do you know about Danny? Got any gossip anything? Anything?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You know what. I sat in on the council meeting yesterday.
It was the first meeting for the new council. And
I'm wedding because I, you know, I just love Danny
and I love the pathway that he's taken, and he's
you know, he's courage and he's excellency in being elected
as mayor, and I just wanted to see him settling
into that new role and just to check out the
new council and.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
See how just see how it's going, see if Janey
Finlay approves Just for people who are new to the
area or whatever you were, Mayor here from about what
two thousand and what was it two thousand and one
or something? Is that right twenty years ago?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Crazy?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And you were the youngest mayor in Australia at twenty
something seventh at the time.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, the early twenties. Actually, wasn't that young? I think
I was like twenty five, twenty six something like that.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Does it mean that all mayors have to be really old? No?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
No, no, no, And now since then there's been far
younger mayors all across the country. But back then, you know,
local government was sometimes a place where older people remained.
But since then, you know, local government has just grown
extraordinarily and it's great.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It does a lot more than it used to do,
isn't it? Before it was just you know, roads and
trees and stuff, and that was it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yes, that's right. Well we can still do more with trees, yes, yes,
but yes, yeah, No. The role of local government has
really opened up and has been demonstrated by this new council.
You know, a really diverse council has been elected by
the community, and the role and the care and the
engagement has really been broadened out. And it's wonderful and
(01:56):
it was great to be in the chamber yesterday and
to see the new council settle into their role.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Do you think they all know what's going on yet
or do they still have that sort of deal with
the headlights shown in their faces? Look?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Oh well, I can tell you if my experience in
parliament's anything to do with it. I'm a year and
a half in Parliament now and I'm a bit here
in the headlights sometimes. But you know what I can
tell is from conversations that I've had and people that
I've spoken to that's been on a really great induction
program over the last couple of weeks. I did see
a couple of people look a little bit stunned around
(02:28):
the table, But what I also saw was beautiful from
the re elected counselors. There were some counselors asking questions
and you know, just getting settled in, and the counselors
that have been there for a while were really I thought,
you know, gentle and kind in the way that they
were explaining things, and even the way Danny chaired the meeting,
he was really encouraging in his feedback. There were a
(02:49):
number of councilors yesterday that students spoke for the first
time on the first side and before council. And that's
great because in my time there were some people that never.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Stood and spoke. It is daunting. I've stood in there
and spoken, not as a counselor obviously, but for various things.
And it's bloody terrifying. It's bizarre. There's not many people there,
and I mean, I did it, and I was standing
there with a microphone and all these people were grping
at me, and I'm thinking, I'm used to public speaking.
I don't care who's listening, but all of a sudden,
(03:19):
I feel absolutely terrified. I'm not sure whether it was
the room or the way it was set up or what.
I don't know. Everyone's looking at me and they're all smiling,
and you think, as soon as I stopped talking, you're
just going to ignore me and invote this thing through.
And it was very weird. It was a horrible experience.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
But you know what I loved and and what I
loved about Danny chairing the meeting in his role as mayor,
and he made it really clear and was very encouraging
to counsels. You know, the first time is the hardest time,
and you know, once you've done something once, and we
all know that, isn't it. Once you do something once,
maybe it doesn't quite go to planned and then you
do it again, you do it again, it becomes more natural.
And that's been my approach in the Parliament as well.
(03:56):
Every time there's an opportunity, I stand and have a go.
And you thought of learned by doing as much as
you can have things explained in inductions, but once you
give it a go. But I'm really comfortable, confident about
this council. There's some great people around the table, and
I know that once they find their feet, they'll work
really well together.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It's interesting you mentioned some of the older people that
are still there, or the ones that are still there
they've got voted back in. I we shouldn't call them old.
I suppose compulsory voting. Do you think do you think
the compulsory voting will mean that some of those people
that just kind of go in there vote and then
go away again and you never hear of me from
one election to the next. Do you think they'll be
(04:35):
more inclined to get out and about and have their
faces seen and do stuff for people.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, I think it's really clear that the people that
have been re elected are very heavily engaged in the
community and very well respected in the community. I mean,
you've got Danny and Andrea, and Alan and Hugh and Tim,
and they're great contributors and they've been around and the
way that they contribute.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Is really they're all from your faces, aren't they. I guess. So.
I mean with compulsory voting, though, I mean, you can't
just have your supporters every time. You've really got to
get out there and do stuff. You've got to make
sure that people realize that you're working hard for them.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Oh yeah, for sure. And I mean that's that's democracy,
isn't it. And that's public life as well, which that
should always be the minimum standard for being able to
represent your community. And like you said, maybe this makes
that more so. I know that the returns were lifted
significantly by this, but not you know, not everybody participated.
(05:32):
But it takes a little while to figure that out
that this one had actually changed and it was compulsory.
But I think the mix of people that got elected
are definitely a broad representation of the you know, the
mix of people in our community. And that's wonderful to see.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
That's what you want, isn't it? How did Danny actually go?
Was he? What do you talk about in his speech?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
You know what I love? So what I love is
that the parts of counsel are quite formalized in that
first meeting. So it was beautiful to have Auntie Sharon
there provide a welcome to country and Danny very respectfully,
and I could tell was really appreciated, genuinely appreciated by
Arnie Sharon. He in reply, offered an acknowledgment of country.
(06:18):
So that was a beautiful part. I think that's one
of Danny's streets, being very embracing and genuinely loving of
people in our community. So that was good. And then
it's sort of rocks off pretty fast and pretty hard,
and you get public question time, public question time to
be questions just you know, you don't actually know what's
(06:38):
going to come at you. That's a really beautiful because you're, yeah,
it's a real test of your understanding what's actually going
on at the moment and your ability to respond. And
he did get some curly questions, and he got a
number of questions from a number of people, and he
dealt with it again really respectfully. I think it's really
easy to be defensive when you're being asked questions and
perhaps be a little bit negative. But you know, and
(07:01):
I think also, you know, cutting people off if they're
a little bit off track can sometimes be counter productive
to allowing people to have their say and then they
feel like they've been heard. So I was really impressed
with how he managed that at the beginning of the meeting,
and then also how he moved through into the planning
authority and both encouraged but provided feedback to the councilors
(07:23):
on their contributions.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
It's interesting that the planning I was going to say,
it's interesting that the planning authority was I believe I
think one of the first things that the induction classes covered.
Would I sort of thought no, I thought that was
only a fairly you know, minor part of what council did,
but they chose to make it almost the first thing
that was done. Am I right in that?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
And I think yeah, I think legally, there's a lot
of responsibility and technical responsibility when you sit as a
planning authority, and it's not often well understood in the
community and therefore not well understood by new members because
you might have feelings about something, but it's actually the
technical frameworks that you have to make the decision within,
(08:08):
and so I think it is really important and great.
But they did do that induction straight up, and it
will take time. You know, the planning, the planning scheme
is complex. Decisions are always quite varied. I know that
they made a change straight up where we used to
go on this thing called the bus strip go and
visit the development sites, and it used to be on
the day of the meeting, and they brought that back
(08:30):
a whole week in advance. And that's a great improvement
because it means you get to go out on site,
see what people are talking about, are concerned about, see
what the development's about, and then consider that and ask
questions of the officers before it comes to the table. Yes,
and it is really important, you know, development's important for
our economic growth, for the liveability.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Of the study. I could be awkward at this point
and say, if you're if you're making decisions purely based
on legal frameworks, what's the point of the bus Does
it matter if you go and look at something, because
you're going to have to go back and make that
decision based on I'm just being awkward now.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
But no, no, no, that's not awkward. It's a great question.
There are actually degrees of there's sort of provisioning the
scheme for reasonableness, so measures of reasonableness, So there are
areas of discretion where it might be that this is
the rule, but if it doesn't meet the rule, then
there's an allowable threshold of consideration. And it's pretty much
(09:29):
only those matters development applications.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
There's some degree of discretion or.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I've got discretions that go to the table. So something
that comes to the table comes to the table because
it's tricky. A lot of things happen under delegation in
the organization, and those tricky ones the councilors get to
make the decision within the parameters of those discretions. Is
it reasonable that this discretion is applied?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I'm cutting you off because there's a delay on the phone.
Is how how often would you expect, based on your experience,
for these new counselors to have to buy law vote
in something that is absolutely horrible just as a wanting
to then how often did it happen to you?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
It depends what the definition of absolutely horrible is.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I guess, well, we know that some of the things
that council will prove is just bloody disgusting. Some of
it is just horrible.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
So, I mean, I know in my time at council,
there were times where counsel would make the decision to
refuse an application with the intention that it would go
back to the developer and for the community to negotiate
an outcome or maybe look and seeing if there were
a different approach that could be taken. It didn't happen
very often, but it might have happened once or twice
(10:45):
a year.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, yeah, and that would be bigger developments, I suppose
something that's going to change the look at the place.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Often the tricky ones are this, you know, not always
big developments. There could be that there's a you know,
a small community or a small street scape or a
Harry's street scape that's having a small detail amended, and
you know, there's different ways of approaching it. They're not
always a big development.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Interesting, do you think this new council, just to finish up,
is going to be unified or divisive? What do you reckon?
Are they a friendly line? No? You know.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
One of the reasons why I went yesterday, I just
wanted to see how it felt. And my feeling is,
and having spoken to a few of the councils I've
seen them at a few different events and functions around
since the election, is that it's going to be a
unified council and I think Danny is going to be
really committed to working with each of the individual counselors
to bring out their strength, yep, to help them understand
(11:38):
responsibilities and things as they come up.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
That are new.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
But you know, everyone at that table clearly motivated, passionate
about the city, and motivated to do well. So I
think it's going to be a great council yep.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Excellent stuff. And Danny, of course, there's a good peacemaker,
isn't he. I think he's probably very good at negotiating
and settling people's opinions and settling people down. I suppose
absolutely we value your opinion. Jennie Dickinson, you're in there,
or Jennie Finlay, See look at that. I'm calling you
your old name. Sorry, but I knew I was going
to slip out at some point. Just come to Jenny
Finlay of course, member for Bass, Labor, member for Bass.
(12:14):
Thank you for your opinion. It's interesting to see and
probably catch up again next year. You're doing anything for
Christmas exciting?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Ah, you know what, It's very much out of my
nature to one hundred percent switch off. But I have
submitted my intention to take a bit of leave over
summer yep, so it's not going to be exciting. I'm
going to have a very dull and boring and RESTful
Christmas New Year, and I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
It sounds like pure bliss. Talk to you soon, Yeah,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
That's Jennie Finlay. Listen live at Tasmania Talks dot com
dot au.
Listen live at Tasmania Talks dot com dot au. This
Tasmania Talks Big hour on the way says he about
just around the corner. We'll talk to her about all
sorts of things, but right now talking about Danny Gibson.
Isn't this a strange situation. We're going to be talking
about somebody else and I don't even know we're doing it.
Jenny Finlay's on the line, Get a Janey, Hey, how
(00:21):
are you? I'm alright, We're here to talk about Danny.
What do you know about Danny? Got any gossip anything? Anything?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You know what. I sat in on the council meeting yesterday.
It was the first meeting for the new council. And
I'm wedding because I, you know, I just love Danny
and I love the pathway that he's taken, and he's
you know, he's courage and he's excellency in being elected
as mayor, and I just wanted to see him settling
into that new role and just to check out the
new council and.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
See how just see how it's going, see if Janey
Finlay approves Just for people who are new to the
area or whatever you were, Mayor here from about what
two thousand and what was it two thousand and one
or something? Is that right twenty years ago?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Crazy?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
And you were the youngest mayor in Australia at twenty
something seventh at the time.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, the early twenties. Actually, wasn't that young? I think
I was like twenty five, twenty six something like that.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Does it mean that all mayors have to be really old? No?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
No, no, no, And now since then there's been far
younger mayors all across the country. But back then, you know,
local government was sometimes a place where older people remained.
But since then, you know, local government has just grown
extraordinarily and it's great.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It does a lot more than it used to do,
isn't it? Before it was just you know, roads and
trees and stuff, and that was it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yes, that's right. Well we can still do more with trees, yes, yes,
but yes, yeah, No. The role of local government has
really opened up and has been demonstrated by this new council.
You know, a really diverse council has been elected by
the community, and the role and the care and the
engagement has really been broadened out. And it's wonderful and
(01:56):
it was great to be in the chamber yesterday and
to see the new council settle into their role.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Do you think they all know what's going on yet
or do they still have that sort of deal with
the headlights shown in their faces? Look?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Oh well, I can tell you if my experience in
parliament's anything to do with it. I'm a year and
a half in Parliament now and I'm a bit here
in the headlights sometimes. But you know what I can
tell is from conversations that I've had and people that
I've spoken to that's been on a really great induction
program over the last couple of weeks. I did see
a couple of people look a little bit stunned around
(02:28):
the table, But what I also saw was beautiful from
the re elected counselors. There were some counselors asking questions
and you know, just getting settled in, and the counselors
that have been there for a while were really I thought,
you know, gentle and kind in the way that they
were explaining things, and even the way Danny chaired the meeting,
he was really encouraging in his feedback. There were a
(02:49):
number of councilors yesterday that students spoke for the first
time on the first side and before council. And that's
great because in my time there were some people that never.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Stood and spoke. It is daunting. I've stood in there
and spoken, not as a counselor obviously, but for various things.
And it's bloody terrifying. It's bizarre. There's not many people there,
and I mean, I did it, and I was standing
there with a microphone and all these people were grping
at me, and I'm thinking, I'm used to public speaking.
I don't care who's listening, but all of a sudden,
(03:19):
I feel absolutely terrified. I'm not sure whether it was
the room or the way it was set up or what.
I don't know. Everyone's looking at me and they're all smiling,
and you think, as soon as I stopped talking, you're
just going to ignore me and invote this thing through.
And it was very weird. It was a horrible experience.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
But you know what I loved and and what I
loved about Danny chairing the meeting in his role as mayor,
and he made it really clear and was very encouraging
to counsels. You know, the first time is the hardest time,
and you know, once you've done something once, and we
all know that, isn't it. Once you do something once,
maybe it doesn't quite go to planned and then you
do it again, you do it again, it becomes more natural.
And that's been my approach in the Parliament as well.
(03:56):
Every time there's an opportunity, I stand and have a go.
And you thought of learned by doing as much as
you can have things explained in inductions, but once you
give it a go. But I'm really comfortable, confident about
this council. There's some great people around the table, and
I know that once they find their feet, they'll work
really well together.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
It's interesting you mentioned some of the older people that
are still there, or the ones that are still there
they've got voted back in. I we shouldn't call them old.
I suppose compulsory voting. Do you think do you think
the compulsory voting will mean that some of those people
that just kind of go in there vote and then
go away again and you never hear of me from
one election to the next. Do you think they'll be
(04:35):
more inclined to get out and about and have their
faces seen and do stuff for people.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, I think it's really clear that the people that
have been re elected are very heavily engaged in the
community and very well respected in the community. I mean,
you've got Danny and Andrea, and Alan and Hugh and Tim,
and they're great contributors and they've been around and the
way that they contribute.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Is really they're all from your faces, aren't they. I guess. So.
I mean with compulsory voting, though, I mean, you can't
just have your supporters every time. You've really got to
get out there and do stuff. You've got to make
sure that people realize that you're working hard for them.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Oh yeah, for sure. And I mean that's that's democracy,
isn't it. And that's public life as well, which that
should always be the minimum standard for being able to
represent your community. And like you said, maybe this makes
that more so. I know that the returns were lifted
significantly by this, but not you know, not everybody participated.
(05:32):
But it takes a little while to figure that out
that this one had actually changed and it was compulsory.
But I think the mix of people that got elected
are definitely a broad representation of the you know, the
mix of people in our community. And that's wonderful to see.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
That's what you want, isn't it? How did Danny actually go?
Was he? What do you talk about in his speech?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
You know what I love? So what I love is
that the parts of counsel are quite formalized in that
first meeting. So it was beautiful to have Auntie Sharon
there provide a welcome to country and Danny very respectfully,
and I could tell was really appreciated, genuinely appreciated by
Arnie Sharon. He in reply, offered an acknowledgment of country.
(06:18):
So that was a beautiful part. I think that's one
of Danny's streets, being very embracing and genuinely loving of
people in our community. So that was good. And then
it's sort of rocks off pretty fast and pretty hard,
and you get public question time, public question time to
be questions just you know, you don't actually know what's
(06:38):
going to come at you. That's a really beautiful because you're, yeah,
it's a real test of your understanding what's actually going
on at the moment and your ability to respond. And
he did get some curly questions, and he got a
number of questions from a number of people, and he
dealt with it again really respectfully. I think it's really
easy to be defensive when you're being asked questions and
perhaps be a little bit negative. But you know, and
(07:01):
I think also, you know, cutting people off if they're
a little bit off track can sometimes be counter productive
to allowing people to have their say and then they
feel like they've been heard. So I was really impressed
with how he managed that at the beginning of the meeting,
and then also how he moved through into the planning
authority and both encouraged but provided feedback to the councilors
(07:23):
on their contributions.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
It's interesting that the planning I was going to say,
it's interesting that the planning authority was I believe I
think one of the first things that the induction classes covered.
Would I sort of thought no, I thought that was
only a fairly you know, minor part of what council did,
but they chose to make it almost the first thing
that was done. Am I right in that?
Speaker 2 (07:45):
And I think yeah, I think legally, there's a lot
of responsibility and technical responsibility when you sit as a
planning authority, and it's not often well understood in the
community and therefore not well understood by new members because
you might have feelings about something, but it's actually the
technical frameworks that you have to make the decision within,
(08:08):
and so I think it is really important and great.
But they did do that induction straight up, and it
will take time. You know, the planning, the planning scheme
is complex. Decisions are always quite varied. I know that
they made a change straight up where we used to
go on this thing called the bus strip go and
visit the development sites, and it used to be on
the day of the meeting, and they brought that back
(08:30):
a whole week in advance. And that's a great improvement
because it means you get to go out on site,
see what people are talking about, are concerned about, see
what the development's about, and then consider that and ask
questions of the officers before it comes to the table. Yes,
and it is really important, you know, development's important for
our economic growth, for the liveability.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Of the study. I could be awkward at this point
and say, if you're if you're making decisions purely based
on legal frameworks, what's the point of the bus Does
it matter if you go and look at something, because
you're going to have to go back and make that
decision based on I'm just being awkward now.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
But no, no, no, that's not awkward. It's a great question.
There are actually degrees of there's sort of provisioning the
scheme for reasonableness, so measures of reasonableness, So there are
areas of discretion where it might be that this is
the rule, but if it doesn't meet the rule, then
there's an allowable threshold of consideration. And it's pretty much
(09:29):
only those matters development applications.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
There's some degree of discretion or.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
I've got discretions that go to the table. So something
that comes to the table comes to the table because
it's tricky. A lot of things happen under delegation in
the organization, and those tricky ones the councilors get to
make the decision within the parameters of those discretions. Is
it reasonable that this discretion is applied?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I'm cutting you off because there's a delay on the phone.
Is how how often would you expect, based on your experience,
for these new counselors to have to buy law vote
in something that is absolutely horrible just as a wanting
to then how often did it happen to you?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
It depends what the definition of absolutely horrible is.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I guess, well, we know that some of the things
that council will prove is just bloody disgusting. Some of
it is just horrible.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
So, I mean, I know in my time at council,
there were times where counsel would make the decision to
refuse an application with the intention that it would go
back to the developer and for the community to negotiate
an outcome or maybe look and seeing if there were
a different approach that could be taken. It didn't happen
very often, but it might have happened once or twice
(10:45):
a year.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yeah, yeah, and that would be bigger developments, I suppose
something that's going to change the look at the place.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Often the tricky ones are this, you know, not always
big developments. There could be that there's a you know,
a small community or a small street scape or a
Harry's street scape that's having a small detail amended, and
you know, there's different ways of approaching it. They're not
always a big development.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Interesting, do you think this new council, just to finish up,
is going to be unified or divisive? What do you reckon?
Are they a friendly line? No? You know.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
One of the reasons why I went yesterday, I just
wanted to see how it felt. And my feeling is,
and having spoken to a few of the councils I've
seen them at a few different events and functions around
since the election, is that it's going to be a
unified council and I think Danny is going to be
really committed to working with each of the individual counselors
to bring out their strength, yep, to help them understand
(11:38):
responsibilities and things as they come up.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
That are new.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
But you know, everyone at that table clearly motivated, passionate
about the city, and motivated to do well. So I
think it's going to be a great council yep.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Excellent stuff. And Danny, of course, there's a good peacemaker,
isn't he. I think he's probably very good at negotiating
and settling people's opinions and settling people down. I suppose
absolutely we value your opinion. Jennie Dickinson, you're in there,
or Jennie Finlay, See look at that. I'm calling you
your old name. Sorry, but I knew I was going
to slip out at some point. Just come to Jenny
Finlay of course, member for Bass, Labor, member for Bass.
(12:14):
Thank you for your opinion. It's interesting to see and
probably catch up again next year. You're doing anything for
Christmas exciting?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Ah, you know what, It's very much out of my
nature to one hundred percent switch off. But I have
submitted my intention to take a bit of leave over
summer yep, so it's not going to be exciting. I'm
going to have a very dull and boring and RESTful
Christmas New Year, and I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
It sounds like pure bliss. Talk to you soon, Yeah,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
That's Jennie Finlay. Listen live at Tasmania Talks dot com
dot au.
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