September 30, 2025 • 17 mins
A major shift in Australian healthcare will now allow registered nurses to prescribe medications after additional training, promising better access for all Australians and easing pressure on the GP shortage.
Plus, we break down President Trump's sweeping new 20-point peace plan for Gaza, what's in the controversial proposal, and whether it stands any chance of bringing an end to the Israel-Hamas war.
And in headlines today, A UN expert has advised that Australia needs to cut it’s defence agreement ties with Israel or risk being complicit in genocide; Mortgage-holders may have to wait longer for more interest rate relief after commentary from the reserve bank's board and governor Michele Bullock was more pessimistic about inflation than expected; US President Donald Trump and defence secretary Pete Hegseth have addressed a hastily convened crowd of the country’s top generals and admirals to tell them the age of 'woke' is over; Just a day after it was announced that Aussie stars Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban were separating, Kidman has filed for divorce
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges
the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast
is recorded on.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hey your Own Taylor Strano. This is Mumma Mer's twice
daily news podcast. The Quiki Nurses are about to step
into a bigger role promising better access to medicines for ozsies,
especially in remote or regional communities. Plus, President Trump's new
twenty point piece plan for Gaza will unpack what's really
in it and if it signals the long awaited end
(00:45):
to the Israel Hamas Wall. Before we get there, here
is Claire Murphy with the latest from the QUICKI newsroom
for Wednesday October one.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Thanks Taylor. A UN expert has advised that Australia needs
to cut its defense agreement ties with Israel or risk
being complicit in genocide. Australian human rights lawyer Chris Soddotti
says Australia's credibility is on the line despite recognizing Palestinian statehood,
saying we should be ending all defense cooperation, including closing
the Australian government's Defense and Trade office in Jerusalem. Mister
(01:16):
Siddotti is one of three Commissioners selected by the Human
Rights Council, which found Israel's war crimes in Gaza constituted
genocide in a landmark seventy two page report released earlier
in September. The former Australian Human Rights Commissioner also urged
Canberra to apply more comprehensive sanctions and to ensure no
Australian made parts were going into israel warplanes. Meanwhile, US
(01:38):
President Donald Trump has given Hamas three to four days
to respond to his Gaza peace plan proposal or face
the consequences. He explained, there was not much room for
them to negotiate and if they don't agree to it,
it's going to be a very sad end. The plan
has been presented to Hamas negotiators, who are reportedly reviewing it.
Mortgage holders may have to wait longer for more interest
(01:59):
rate relief after commentary from the Reserve Bank's Board and
Governor Michelle Bullock was more pessimistic about inflation than expected.
The RBA left the cash rate on hold at three
points six percent on Tuesday, in a move widely anticipated
by economists and bond traders. But the RBA board was
concerned that following strong economic activity and consumer price index
(02:20):
figures in the lead up to the meeting. Inflation was
now set to overshoot their latest forecasts. After previously anticipating
the next caunt to come in November. Commonwealth Bank economists
pushed back their forecast until February. JP Morgan's Benjamin also
retracted his call for a November cut, while the money
market lowered its chance from more than half to about
a third. US President Donald Trump and Defense Secretary Peak
(02:43):
Hegseeth have addressed a hastily convened crowd of the country's
top generals and admirals to tell them the age of
woke is over. Hegxeth told the assembled military top brass,
many of whom had to fly in from various locations
across the globe, that the Defense Department had become the
woke Department, but not anymore, explaining sweeping changes to how
discrimination complaints were handled and that it would change because
(03:06):
the current system has them all walking on eggshells. Hegseth
also announced new directives for fitness levels to be set
at gender neutral or male level standards, and that if
women can make it excellent, if not, it is what
it is. Hexerth then said if the words I'm speaking
today are making your heart sink, then you should do
the honorable thing and resign, before he criticized the look
(03:26):
of overweight leaders in the military, saying it's completely unacceptable
to see fat generals and admirals in the halls of
the Pentagon. Just a day after it was announced that
Ozzie's Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban were separating, Kidman has
filed for divorce. The documents were filed in Nashville, where
the couple have lived since two thousand and seven, on
September thirty, officially applying to end their nearly twenty year marriage.
(03:48):
There were reports that Kidman was trying to save the
marriage and didn't want to split, but the pair had
spent the past few months apart while Urban was on
his World tour and Kidman was in London filming Practical
Magic Too.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Thanks Claire. Next, access in your scripts is about to
get easier. There's a huge change happening in Australia's health
system with new rules that will allow registered nurses to
prescribe medications. Until now, prescribing medication is something only doctors, dentists, optometrists,
(04:27):
some pharmacists, nurse practitioners and endorse midwives could do In Australia.
Now tens of thousands of nurses could start the journey
towards prescribing thanks to new training pathways designed to help
address critical shortages in primary care. Essentially, this means patients
won't have to wait to see a GP for repeat
(04:48):
prescriptions or basic medication farasi communities far from city hospitals
or with doctors in short supply, especially in the bush
or rural towns. That's a game changer and will hopefully
help all of us amid the GP shortage. There's a
few more steps to this one, though. Registered nurses will
need to complete extra postgraduate qualqalifications, demonstrate clinical experience, and
(05:13):
do a six month mentorship with an authorized health practitioner.
Once qualified, they'll work in partnership with doctors guided by
strict prescribing agreements for safety and accountability. While it sounds
like a win for convenience and help skilling are nurses,
some remain skeptical. Doctors have raised concerns about nurses prescribing
powerful drugs like fentanyl and oxycodon. The Australian Medical Association
(05:38):
wants clear limits on exactly which medicines nurses can prescribe,
especially when it comes to Schedule eight aka drugs with
high risks attached for nurses. Though this is about teamwork,
not working alone. Nurses who've signed up for the additional
training say it'll mean more people getting prompt treatment, fewer
hospital admissions, and faster access to meds, especially when doctors
(06:03):
are hard to find. The rules came into effect yesterday,
but it'll likely be twenty twenty six before patients get
their prescriptions from a registered nurse. We're fast approaching the
second anniversary of the October seven attacks, when Hamas militants
crossed the border into Israel, taking hostage victims and killing
(06:24):
others during a music festival. Since October seven, twenty twenty three,
the UN Commission has declared a genocide in Gaza, carried
out on the Palestinian people by Israel retaliation for those
original attacks on the Nova music festival. Many parties have
attempted to brok a piece between the Israeli government and Hamas.
(06:46):
There's been temporary ceasefires and the release of handfuls of hostages,
but coordinated attacks and intent to control land on the
Gaza strip continues this week. A new hope to end
the war was submitted by mister peacemaker himself, Donald Trump. Yesterday,
the US President unveiled a sweeping twenty point peace proposal
(07:07):
for Gaza, calling it one of the great days ever
in civilization.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
It's just a part of the bigger picture, which is
peace in the Middle East, and let's go a let
e turnal piece in the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
The plan aims to end the conflict between Israel and Hamas,
but not everyone's convinced, and some say it's Israel, not
Gaza who comes out on top. At its core, the
plan outlines twenty action points, including calls for an immediate
end to Israeli attacks and a stage withdrawal of defense
forces from Gaza. It also requires Hamas to release all
(07:47):
hostages within seventy two hours. Hostage exchanges, prison releases, and
the delivery of mass humanitarian aid are all also included.
But there's a glaringly apparent catch. At the time of recording,
Hamas has not agreed to any of these terms. In fact,
the plan hinges largely on their buy in. If her
(08:08):
Mask refuses, Trump says, Israel is free to finish the job.
With full US support.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
If a master rejects a deal, which is always possible,
they're the only one left. Everyone else has accepted it.
But I have a feeling that we're going to have
a positive answer. But if not, as you know, BB,
you'd have marfall back in to do what you would
have to do.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
But if implemented, the plan would see an apolitical Palestinian
committee temporarily govern Gaza. This makeshift government will be supervised
by an international peace board led by Trump himself and
include former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair. The Israeli military
would step back, replaced by an international stabilization force, with
Palestinians eventually trained to police their own territory. Aid would
(08:57):
flood in, and there's talks of a future pathway to
Palestinian statehood, though those details remain vague. So who's the
winner here? Israeli Prime Minister that Yahoo supports the plan,
saying it achieves Israel's goals. International voices, including France, say
(09:18):
it could lay the groundwork for a two state solution,
but that too remains to be seen. As always, to
help us make sense of it all, we're joined by
international relations expert doctor Jessica Genauer, Jess. Let's start with
your thoughts. What did you make of this twenty point
piece plan?
Speaker 4 (09:34):
So I think a couple of things. I think, on
the one hand, this is as close as we've come
so far, you know, since those October seven attacks almost
two years ago, now, from Hamas into Israel, to actually
reaching agreement that provides for a permanent military withdrawal of
(09:56):
Israel from the Gaza Strip, a more permanent situation where
humanitarian aid would actually get into the Gaza Strip, and
then some kind of agreement around Hamas stepping out of
any sort of political or governance role. So I think
there is sort of a realistic pathway to that in
this twenty point plan. On the other hand, I think
(10:17):
that the other parts of the plan that deal more
with the medium to long term around what's going to
happen in terms of governance of the Gaza Strip, what's
going to happen in terms of some kind of peacekeeping
or stabilizing force that might potentially be in the Gaza Strip,
what's the role there for international actors. I think that
(10:38):
all of those points are much less clear in terms
of the details and also in terms of whether they
could actually be practically implemented on the ground and what
that would actually look like.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Hamas is yet to sign on the dotted line, at
least at the time of recording this conversation. Do you
think they're likely to?
Speaker 3 (10:57):
So?
Speaker 4 (10:58):
I actually do think that Hamas probably will agree at
least to that sort of first part of the plan,
which involves Hamas releasing all remaining is Rare hostages back
to Israel. We believe they're about twenty still alive, and
then a number of bodies of those who have already died,
where we're closer than before. And why Hamas might accept
(11:20):
this time is that unlike previous sort of peace plans
where Israeli military withdrawal was conditional on a kind of
release of hostages by Hamas day by day, this one
says Hamas releases all remaining hostages and Israel also withdraws
indefinitely militarily from the Gaza strip. So I think that
(11:43):
that would make Humas more likely to actually accept. And
then also the fact that President Trump is clearly keen
on this plan, so I think that he will be
trying to bring any pressure to bear that he can
on you know, Egypt and Katar, who could then pressure
Hamas to accept, and then on the other hand, on
Binyaminetnahu from Israel to also accept and to uphold that
(12:06):
commitment for Israel to actually withdraw militarily from the Gaza strip.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
It's an interesting position that the US President Donald Trump
finds himself in here, right, because we know that he's
been very vocal about wanting to broke a piece not
just between Israel and Hamas but across the Middle East,
and he's made some steps in doing that in other conflicts.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
But what I find.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Particularly interesting about this twenty point plan is earlier this year,
Trump floated the idea that all these people living in
Gaza would be staring down the barrel of mass immigration
out of Palestine. Now, under this plan, he says that
people could return home. Why do you think he's changed
his tune.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Yeah, that's right. So I think that President Trump is
trying to partly provide Biniminetnyahu with things that he sees
as in Israel's interest, but he's also partly trying to
maintain those good close relations with other actors in the region.
So he's also trying to provide for things within the
plan that are going to be more in the interests
(13:06):
of actors like Saudi Arabia or Qatar, where President Trump
is really trying to build up and consolidate those relations
for the US as well. I guess the important voice
that isn't really included is that of the Palestinians themselves.
So whilst it seems that Trump may have talked to Katar,
may have talked to Egypt or Saudi Arabia, it doesn't
seem that the perspective of Palestinians themselves is really one
(13:31):
that is strongly involved in the way that this plan
has been designed and put forward.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Israel has already accepted the dealnet Yaho has said that
this plan achieves Israel's goals. What goals is he talking about, though, Jess,
Because in my mind, if there's a full military withdrawal,
if Palestinians are allowed to return home in Gaza, what
goals would they be talking about Israel achieving?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
That would be around first of all, the hostages being
returned back to Israel. That's obviously something that's very sort
of salient issue in Israeli society. But then secondly, I
think binnimin Netna, who would be referring to the plan
for sort of post Hamas governance, which at this stage,
the way that Trump has talked about that plan is
(14:18):
with very heavy foreign involvement, and I think that's where
Binyaminettnya who might be able to say, well, that kind
of meets the Israeli goal of Humas no longer having
any role in governance in the Gaza Strip.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, that new sort of world order that will be
if this deal does go off without a hitch, if
everybody who needs to signs it does so. One of
those key factors is this sort of apolitical temporary government
in the Gaza Strip, including Donald Trump. He'll sit as
the head of it, I guess. But then also former
UK Prime Minister Tony Blair's name has been folded into
(14:54):
that arrangement as well. Not everybody is quite happy about that, though,
Can you explain to us what some of those concerns are.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
I think this shows that Trump himself is a little
bit tone deaf about perspectives across the region, because countries
in the region, when they hear the name Tony Blair,
the first association would be with the US lead invasion
of Iraq, which was of course supported by the UK
and supported by Tony Blair, and then they would be
thinking about, well, how did that plan for reconstruction and
(15:25):
nation building go? And obviously that was not very successful.
So even though there might have been a plan in
place prior to the US lead invasion around governance structures
and what would happen and including different you know, parts
of the population in those governance structures, it really didn't
turn out that way, and really, you know, was much
more complicated and not really successful in terms of the
(15:47):
actual implementation on the ground. So I think people in
the region would be looking at that statement and thinking,
this plan might kind of sound okay in principle, but
it doesn't really sound like something that's going to be
properly implemented. It doesn't really sound like Palestinians themselves are involved,
or it's not clear what would be their role in
that sort of transitional governance structure. And then, you know,
(16:11):
when things go wrong and get much more complicated than expected,
is there actually kind of the resources and infrastructure and
understanding of the region in place to actually deal with
that and create a more lasting piece.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Now reading some of the fine print and listening to
the press conference that Donald Trump held in announcing this plan.
He says that if Hamas does not sign the deal,
that Israel will have his full backing to finish the job.
And I say that in quotation marks. So basically it's
putting colour stadions between a rock and a hard place.
(16:45):
Because they don't accept this deal.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I don't think they have a lot of options or choices.
I think that that sort of threat probably will be
effective and that we will see in coming weeks some
kind of more short term agreement. But I guess my
concern would be even if Hamas disbands completely as a
political and military entity, even if you know, all the
(17:09):
hostages are released, but then what happens the day after that?
How does that reconstruction actually take place? How does the
aid delivery actually take place practically on the ground, What
are the sort of logistics and infrastructure around that? And
will it actually work?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with
us today. The quickie is produced by me Taylor Strano,
and Claire Murphy, with audio production by Tig and Sadler.
You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges
the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast
is recorded on.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hey your Own Taylor Strano. This is Mumma Mer's twice
daily news podcast. The Quiki Nurses are about to step
into a bigger role promising better access to medicines for ozsies,
especially in remote or regional communities. Plus, President Trump's new
twenty point piece plan for Gaza will unpack what's really
in it and if it signals the long awaited end
(00:45):
to the Israel Hamas Wall. Before we get there, here
is Claire Murphy with the latest from the QUICKI newsroom
for Wednesday October one.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Thanks Taylor. A UN expert has advised that Australia needs
to cut its defense agreement ties with Israel or risk
being complicit in genocide. Australian human rights lawyer Chris Soddotti
says Australia's credibility is on the line despite recognizing Palestinian statehood,
saying we should be ending all defense cooperation, including closing
the Australian government's Defense and Trade office in Jerusalem. Mister
(01:16):
Siddotti is one of three Commissioners selected by the Human
Rights Council, which found Israel's war crimes in Gaza constituted
genocide in a landmark seventy two page report released earlier
in September. The former Australian Human Rights Commissioner also urged
Canberra to apply more comprehensive sanctions and to ensure no
Australian made parts were going into israel warplanes. Meanwhile, US
(01:38):
President Donald Trump has given Hamas three to four days
to respond to his Gaza peace plan proposal or face
the consequences. He explained, there was not much room for
them to negotiate and if they don't agree to it,
it's going to be a very sad end. The plan
has been presented to Hamas negotiators, who are reportedly reviewing it.
Mortgage holders may have to wait longer for more interest
(01:59):
rate relief after commentary from the Reserve Bank's Board and
Governor Michelle Bullock was more pessimistic about inflation than expected.
The RBA left the cash rate on hold at three
points six percent on Tuesday, in a move widely anticipated
by economists and bond traders. But the RBA board was
concerned that following strong economic activity and consumer price index
(02:20):
figures in the lead up to the meeting. Inflation was
now set to overshoot their latest forecasts. After previously anticipating
the next caunt to come in November. Commonwealth Bank economists
pushed back their forecast until February. JP Morgan's Benjamin also
retracted his call for a November cut, while the money
market lowered its chance from more than half to about
a third. US President Donald Trump and Defense Secretary Peak
(02:43):
Hegseeth have addressed a hastily convened crowd of the country's
top generals and admirals to tell them the age of
woke is over. Hegxeth told the assembled military top brass,
many of whom had to fly in from various locations
across the globe, that the Defense Department had become the
woke Department, but not anymore, explaining sweeping changes to how
discrimination complaints were handled and that it would change because
(03:06):
the current system has them all walking on eggshells. Hegseth
also announced new directives for fitness levels to be set
at gender neutral or male level standards, and that if
women can make it excellent, if not, it is what
it is. Hexerth then said if the words I'm speaking
today are making your heart sink, then you should do
the honorable thing and resign, before he criticized the look
(03:26):
of overweight leaders in the military, saying it's completely unacceptable
to see fat generals and admirals in the halls of
the Pentagon. Just a day after it was announced that
Ozzie's Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban were separating, Kidman has
filed for divorce. The documents were filed in Nashville, where
the couple have lived since two thousand and seven, on
September thirty, officially applying to end their nearly twenty year marriage.
(03:48):
There were reports that Kidman was trying to save the
marriage and didn't want to split, but the pair had
spent the past few months apart while Urban was on
his World tour and Kidman was in London filming Practical
Magic Too.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Thanks Claire. Next, access in your scripts is about to
get easier. There's a huge change happening in Australia's health
system with new rules that will allow registered nurses to
prescribe medications. Until now, prescribing medication is something only doctors, dentists, optometrists,
(04:27):
some pharmacists, nurse practitioners and endorse midwives could do In Australia.
Now tens of thousands of nurses could start the journey
towards prescribing thanks to new training pathways designed to help
address critical shortages in primary care. Essentially, this means patients
won't have to wait to see a GP for repeat
(04:48):
prescriptions or basic medication farasi communities far from city hospitals
or with doctors in short supply, especially in the bush
or rural towns. That's a game changer and will hopefully
help all of us amid the GP shortage. There's a
few more steps to this one, though. Registered nurses will
need to complete extra postgraduate qualqalifications, demonstrate clinical experience, and
(05:13):
do a six month mentorship with an authorized health practitioner.
Once qualified, they'll work in partnership with doctors guided by
strict prescribing agreements for safety and accountability. While it sounds
like a win for convenience and help skilling are nurses,
some remain skeptical. Doctors have raised concerns about nurses prescribing
powerful drugs like fentanyl and oxycodon. The Australian Medical Association
(05:38):
wants clear limits on exactly which medicines nurses can prescribe,
especially when it comes to Schedule eight aka drugs with
high risks attached for nurses. Though this is about teamwork,
not working alone. Nurses who've signed up for the additional
training say it'll mean more people getting prompt treatment, fewer
hospital admissions, and faster access to meds, especially when doctors
(06:03):
are hard to find. The rules came into effect yesterday,
but it'll likely be twenty twenty six before patients get
their prescriptions from a registered nurse. We're fast approaching the
second anniversary of the October seven attacks, when Hamas militants
crossed the border into Israel, taking hostage victims and killing
(06:24):
others during a music festival. Since October seven, twenty twenty three,
the UN Commission has declared a genocide in Gaza, carried
out on the Palestinian people by Israel retaliation for those
original attacks on the Nova music festival. Many parties have
attempted to brok a piece between the Israeli government and Hamas.
(06:46):
There's been temporary ceasefires and the release of handfuls of hostages,
but coordinated attacks and intent to control land on the
Gaza strip continues this week. A new hope to end
the war was submitted by mister peacemaker himself, Donald Trump. Yesterday,
the US President unveiled a sweeping twenty point peace proposal
(07:07):
for Gaza, calling it one of the great days ever
in civilization.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
It's just a part of the bigger picture, which is
peace in the Middle East, and let's go a let
e turnal piece in the Middle East.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
The plan aims to end the conflict between Israel and Hamas,
but not everyone's convinced, and some say it's Israel, not
Gaza who comes out on top. At its core, the
plan outlines twenty action points, including calls for an immediate
end to Israeli attacks and a stage withdrawal of defense
forces from Gaza. It also requires Hamas to release all
(07:47):
hostages within seventy two hours. Hostage exchanges, prison releases, and
the delivery of mass humanitarian aid are all also included.
But there's a glaringly apparent catch. At the time of recording,
Hamas has not agreed to any of these terms. In fact,
the plan hinges largely on their buy in. If her
(08:08):
Mask refuses, Trump says, Israel is free to finish the job.
With full US support.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
If a master rejects a deal, which is always possible,
they're the only one left. Everyone else has accepted it.
But I have a feeling that we're going to have
a positive answer. But if not, as you know, BB,
you'd have marfall back in to do what you would
have to do.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
But if implemented, the plan would see an apolitical Palestinian
committee temporarily govern Gaza. This makeshift government will be supervised
by an international peace board led by Trump himself and
include former UK Prime Minister Tony Blair. The Israeli military
would step back, replaced by an international stabilization force, with
Palestinians eventually trained to police their own territory. Aid would
(08:57):
flood in, and there's talks of a future pathway to
Palestinian statehood, though those details remain vague. So who's the
winner here? Israeli Prime Minister that Yahoo supports the plan,
saying it achieves Israel's goals. International voices, including France, say
(09:18):
it could lay the groundwork for a two state solution,
but that too remains to be seen. As always, to
help us make sense of it all, we're joined by
international relations expert doctor Jessica Genauer, Jess. Let's start with
your thoughts. What did you make of this twenty point
piece plan?
Speaker 4 (09:34):
So I think a couple of things. I think, on
the one hand, this is as close as we've come
so far, you know, since those October seven attacks almost
two years ago, now, from Hamas into Israel, to actually
reaching agreement that provides for a permanent military withdrawal of
(09:56):
Israel from the Gaza Strip, a more permanent situation where
humanitarian aid would actually get into the Gaza Strip, and
then some kind of agreement around Hamas stepping out of
any sort of political or governance role. So I think
there is sort of a realistic pathway to that in
this twenty point plan. On the other hand, I think
(10:17):
that the other parts of the plan that deal more
with the medium to long term around what's going to
happen in terms of governance of the Gaza Strip, what's
going to happen in terms of some kind of peacekeeping
or stabilizing force that might potentially be in the Gaza Strip,
what's the role there for international actors. I think that
(10:38):
all of those points are much less clear in terms
of the details and also in terms of whether they
could actually be practically implemented on the ground and what
that would actually look like.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Hamas is yet to sign on the dotted line, at
least at the time of recording this conversation. Do you
think they're likely to?
Speaker 3 (10:57):
So?
Speaker 4 (10:58):
I actually do think that Hamas probably will agree at
least to that sort of first part of the plan,
which involves Hamas releasing all remaining is Rare hostages back
to Israel. We believe they're about twenty still alive, and
then a number of bodies of those who have already died,
where we're closer than before. And why Hamas might accept
(11:20):
this time is that unlike previous sort of peace plans
where Israeli military withdrawal was conditional on a kind of
release of hostages by Hamas day by day, this one
says Hamas releases all remaining hostages and Israel also withdraws
indefinitely militarily from the Gaza strip. So I think that
(11:43):
that would make Humas more likely to actually accept. And
then also the fact that President Trump is clearly keen
on this plan, so I think that he will be
trying to bring any pressure to bear that he can
on you know, Egypt and Katar, who could then pressure
Hamas to accept, and then on the other hand, on
Binyaminetnahu from Israel to also accept and to uphold that
(12:06):
commitment for Israel to actually withdraw militarily from the Gaza strip.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
It's an interesting position that the US President Donald Trump
finds himself in here, right, because we know that he's
been very vocal about wanting to broke a piece not
just between Israel and Hamas but across the Middle East,
and he's made some steps in doing that in other conflicts.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
But what I find.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Particularly interesting about this twenty point plan is earlier this year,
Trump floated the idea that all these people living in
Gaza would be staring down the barrel of mass immigration
out of Palestine. Now, under this plan, he says that
people could return home. Why do you think he's changed
his tune.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Yeah, that's right. So I think that President Trump is
trying to partly provide Biniminetnyahu with things that he sees
as in Israel's interest, but he's also partly trying to
maintain those good close relations with other actors in the region.
So he's also trying to provide for things within the
plan that are going to be more in the interests
(13:06):
of actors like Saudi Arabia or Qatar, where President Trump
is really trying to build up and consolidate those relations
for the US as well. I guess the important voice
that isn't really included is that of the Palestinians themselves.
So whilst it seems that Trump may have talked to Katar,
may have talked to Egypt or Saudi Arabia, it doesn't
seem that the perspective of Palestinians themselves is really one
(13:31):
that is strongly involved in the way that this plan
has been designed and put forward.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Israel has already accepted the dealnet Yaho has said that
this plan achieves Israel's goals. What goals is he talking about, though, Jess,
Because in my mind, if there's a full military withdrawal,
if Palestinians are allowed to return home in Gaza, what
goals would they be talking about Israel achieving?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
That would be around first of all, the hostages being
returned back to Israel. That's obviously something that's very sort
of salient issue in Israeli society. But then secondly, I
think binnimin Netna, who would be referring to the plan
for sort of post Hamas governance, which at this stage,
the way that Trump has talked about that plan is
(14:18):
with very heavy foreign involvement, and I think that's where
Binyaminettnya who might be able to say, well, that kind
of meets the Israeli goal of Humas no longer having
any role in governance in the Gaza Strip.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah, that new sort of world order that will be
if this deal does go off without a hitch, if
everybody who needs to signs it does so. One of
those key factors is this sort of apolitical temporary government
in the Gaza Strip, including Donald Trump. He'll sit as
the head of it, I guess. But then also former
UK Prime Minister Tony Blair's name has been folded into
(14:54):
that arrangement as well. Not everybody is quite happy about that, though,
Can you explain to us what some of those concerns are.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
I think this shows that Trump himself is a little
bit tone deaf about perspectives across the region, because countries
in the region, when they hear the name Tony Blair,
the first association would be with the US lead invasion
of Iraq, which was of course supported by the UK
and supported by Tony Blair, and then they would be
thinking about, well, how did that plan for reconstruction and
(15:25):
nation building go? And obviously that was not very successful.
So even though there might have been a plan in
place prior to the US lead invasion around governance structures
and what would happen and including different you know, parts
of the population in those governance structures, it really didn't
turn out that way, and really, you know, was much
more complicated and not really successful in terms of the
(15:47):
actual implementation on the ground. So I think people in
the region would be looking at that statement and thinking,
this plan might kind of sound okay in principle, but
it doesn't really sound like something that's going to be
properly implemented. It doesn't really sound like Palestinians themselves are involved,
or it's not clear what would be their role in
that sort of transitional governance structure. And then, you know,
(16:11):
when things go wrong and get much more complicated than expected,
is there actually kind of the resources and infrastructure and
understanding of the region in place to actually deal with
that and create a more lasting piece.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Now reading some of the fine print and listening to
the press conference that Donald Trump held in announcing this plan.
He says that if Hamas does not sign the deal,
that Israel will have his full backing to finish the job.
And I say that in quotation marks. So basically it's
putting colour stadions between a rock and a hard place.
(16:45):
Because they don't accept this deal.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I don't think they have a lot of options or choices.
I think that that sort of threat probably will be
effective and that we will see in coming weeks some
kind of more short term agreement. But I guess my
concern would be even if Hamas disbands completely as a
political and military entity, even if you know, all the
(17:09):
hostages are released, but then what happens the day after that?
How does that reconstruction actually take place? How does the
aid delivery actually take place practically on the ground, What
are the sort of logistics and infrastructure around that? And
will it actually work?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with
us today. The quickie is produced by me Taylor Strano,
and Claire Murphy, with audio production by Tig and Sadler.
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