July 24, 2025 • 17 mins
From Qantas to Louis Vuitton to fertility clinics, major companies are falling victim to cyber attacks, exposing millions of Australians' personal data.
So how worried should we actually be about these breaches?
Plus, why do so many of us feel younger on the inside than our actual age?
And in headlines today five Australian women allegedly forced to submit to invasive strip searches at Doha's Hamad airport in 2020 have been given the go ahead to sue Qatar Airways; The US is cutting its ceasefire talks between Hamas and Israel short due to what they say is Hamas showing a lack of desire to reach a ceasefire in Gaza; An Australian man has been found dead, with a mobile phone still on a call on his chest, in a hotel room on the Thai island of Phuket; Aussie actor Rebel Wilson is facing more legal action, accused of trying to block distribution of the first film she directed; Professional wrestler, WWE star Hulk Hogan has died aged 71
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to a Mumma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges
the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast
is recorded on.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma MEA's twice daily
news podcast, The Quickie. What do Quantus, Louis, Vuitton, Optus
and janea Fertility all have in common? If you're drawing
a blank, allow me to fill in the gaps. They've
all fallen victim to security breaches, with customers personal data
ripe for the picking by cyber criminals. So how worried
(00:44):
should we actually be about a data breach? Plus? Why
does so many of us feel young on the inside
even as the birthday numbers rise? It turns out subjective
age isn't just a feeling. Science says it's real before
we get there. Here's Claire Murphy with the latest from
the Quickie newsroom for Friday, July twenty five.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Thanks Taylor, Five Australian women allegedly forced to submit to
invasive strip searches at Dohars Hamad Airport have been given
the go ahead to sue Qatar Airways. The women who
cannot be legally named or amongst hundreds alleged to have
been forcibly removed from aircraft at Doha in October twenty
twenty as official search for the mother of a newborn
found in a bathroom in the terminal taken off planes
(01:26):
by armed guards. Many alleged they were forced into non
consensual gynecological or intimate physical examinations. After an initial ruling
barring them from pursuing the airline and the QC doub A,
the Federal Court ruled on Thursday that the suit against
Qatar Airways and the airport operator could continue. The women
are seeking compensation for mental stress, for alleged assault, and
(01:48):
for the alleged false imprisonment. They claim the airline and
the airport operator were negligent and breach their duty of
care to passengers. The US is cutting its ceasefire talks
between Hamas and Israel short due to what they say
is Hamash showing a lack of desire to reach a
ceasefire in Gaza. Special Envoys Steve Whitcoff flagged that the
US will now consider alternative options to bring israel Els
(02:09):
hostages home, saying while the mediators have made a great effort,
her master does not appear to be coordinated or acting
in good faith. He said it was a shame that
her Mass has acted in this selfish way, and that
the US is resolute in seeking an end to the
conflict in Gaza. A breakthrough in talks hon a cease
fine deal between Israel and Hamas has eluded the Trump
administration for months as conditions worsened in the region. The
(02:33):
territory recently had its deadliest day yet for aid seekers
in over twenty one months of war, with at least
eighty five Palestinians killed while trying to reach food on Sunday,
while dozens of people have now staffed to death in
recent weeks. An Australian man has been found dead with
a mobile phone still on a call on his chest
in a hotel room on the Thai island of Pouquette.
(02:54):
Hotel staff found the body of the man, in his
early twenties on Wednesday morning. He'd reportedly been in a
recent motorcycle crash and was found with his arm bandaged
and no signs of a struggle or anything suspicious, according
to the local police lieutenant. They confirmed he was still
on a call when he was found. The screen was dark,
but the line was still connected, authority, saying it appeared
(03:15):
he'd been on the call for about twelve hours. They
yet to release the name of the man, who was
born in India but has an Australian passport. Ossie actor
Rebel Wilson is facing more legal action, accused of trying
to block distribution of the first film she directed. Filed
in the New South Wales Supreme Court yesterday. Production company
AI Film has alleged Wilson falsely accused it of trying
(03:36):
to block the release of her directorial debut, the twenty
twenty four musical The deb which premieredd the Toronto Film
Festival in September. The suit accuses Wilson of undermining attempts
of producers to secure it distribution deal for the film
by continuing to make public and false allegations, and by
deliberately undermining the negotiations with potential distributors. It does not
(03:57):
specifically allege why she would attempt to prevent distribution of
her own film. The public and false allegations relate to
Instagram posts made by Wilson, who claims actor Charlotte mckinnis
told her that a producer on the movie, asked her
to stay in the same apartment as them, and was
asked to have a bath and shower with her, making
her feel uncomfortable. Mcinness denies the allegations, saying false accusations
(04:19):
undermine real victims, saying she won't be the subject of
a fabricated narrative. Wilson backed the initial claim, saying mckinness
has now been given a job by the producer as
well as securing a record deal, and that should be
all the proof you need as to why she's now
changed her story. A separate lawsuit filed in the United
States claims Wilson wanted credit for work she did not
do and to overshadow young up and coming artists who
(04:42):
truly deserve the credit. Wilson was not awarded a writing
credit for the film. Professional wrestler WWE star Hulk Hogan
has died age seventy one. Hogan is widely credited with
changing the wrestling scene into the global phenomenon it is today,
shifting it more into entertainment over sport. He starred in
the first ever WWE WrestleMania back in nineteen eighty five,
(05:04):
winning six WWE championships and inducted into the Hall of
Fame in two thousand and five. In recent years, he's
been a vocal supporter of President Trump, appearing and speaking
at some of his rallies during the election campaign. He
was pronounced dead on Thursday morning in Florida. Emergency responders
called to the scene due to the star suffering a
carniac arrest. That's the latest news headlines, and if you're
(05:25):
after more celebrity news, head to link in our show
notes for the spills daily entertainment headlines.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Thanks Claire. Next, let's dive into the data dilemma. It
feels like there's a new data breach in the headlines
every other week at the moment. This year alone, millions
of ossies have had their private information exposed after cyber
(05:51):
attacks on major companies the likes of Jenea, Fertility, and Quantus.
Even in recent years, telcom giants like Optus have also
fallen victim. In February, ivf provided Janea discovered cyber criminals
had accessed their network, exposing deeply personal patient information, names, addresses, diagnoses,
(06:12):
even clinical histories. All of it months on, and the
company has now confirmed to patients their info has been
posted on the dark web. Patients are now still only
gradually learning about what was taken, and support services and
hotlines have been launched to help those at risk of
identity fraud, blackmail or privacy invasions. In fact, a Mumma
(06:33):
Mire reader got in touch and shared the email she
was sent by the fertility company.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Just this week, we are writing to update you on
Jenaea's investigation into the cyber incident that we wrote to
you previously about in February twenty twenty five. Jania's completed
investigation has confirmed that personal information about you was taken
and published on the dark web.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Then there's Quantus, a cyber attack just last month led
to five point seven million Frequent Flyer customers having their names,
dates of birth, contact details, and even their meal preferences compromised.
This time hackers used AI to trick their way in
via a third party call center system. There's a class
action lawsuit underway and a court has already stepped in
(07:21):
to try and block further distribution of the stolen data,
but so far no evidence has emerged that the data
has been dumped online or sold publicly. Turning the dial
back a little further, many of US still remember the
Optis breach back in twenty twenty two, which saw up
to ten million customers info land in the wrong hands,
(07:42):
everything from names, addresses, passport numbers and more. Some of
that data popped up for ransom on the dark web,
and even today, customers are still living with the hassle
that comes from having their identity at risk or needing
to replace documents. Not even luxury fashion houses are immune
to data breaches. Earlier this week, Louis Vuitton Australia confirmed
(08:02):
they too were victims to a data breach, with customers
information like purchase histories and contact details exposed. But what
does this all mean for you? Do we just resign
ourselves to receiving spam emails and scam calls? Or is
there a hidden threat when information lands on places like
the dark Web. To help us unpack just how worried
you should be, we're joined by La Trobe, University Professor
(08:24):
of AI and Analytics. DA's when to silver. Why do
these data breaches keep happening?
Speaker 4 (08:31):
It is easy prey lots of people fairly careless protecting
their identity and the information online, and this is exploited
by cyber criminals by large margins. I think if you
look at the local statistics or even the international statistics,
there's at least one cyber attack happening every sixty seconds
(08:52):
or forty seconds. It's really significant. I think the number
is more than two thousand attacks per day.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Turn the news on in the morning and see that
our frequent flyer program or our health insurance has reported
a breach. How worried should we actually be about that?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
It is a serious breach of our personal information, so
we have to be extremely concerned. Potentially, the first step
is to be mindful monitor all online activity, So say,
if it's a bank, check your banking apps, if it's
frequently information, or if it's healthcare information, check those systems,
the portals that you have on your smartphone or on
(09:29):
the computer, make sure there's no suspicious activity, and if
there is, you should report this immediately. And the second
step is obviously to contact the organization and ask for
more information about the bridge.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Why the hackers do this, What do they actually want
to do with our information? Is it a thing of
they want to sell it off or is it more
about getting money out of the company they've taken it
from when they ranting it back to them.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
It's entirely financially motivated. Unless there is a more sophisticated
attack that involves state actors, then there is political or
geopolitical gain. But a majority of the attacks are financially
motivated and they're looking for a shortcut towards benefiting financially
from the data that's been stolen. So the first approach
would be the ransomware, where they gain access to a system,
(10:16):
freeze the asset, or they stop access to the system
from the organizational end, and then demand a ransom for releasing.
So there is a really strong encryption impost on the system.
That's the shortest thing to do. Get into an organization's
computing infrastructure, data architecture and then demand a ransom. But
it also depends on the extent of the data bridge.
(10:38):
The level of sensitivity is the confidentiality of the data,
and that's the second step. Really they would release this
on the dark web, which is something that we've seen recently,
or the other one is to use that for secondary attacks.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah, I'm glad you bring the dark web. But because
I want to speak specifically about the case of the
Jenea fertility patients this week, they receive confirmation that their
information which was lifted during a data breach earlier this year,
had ended up on the dark web. Is that really
when the alarm bell should be absolutely ringing throughout people
who are part of this breach.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Well, I think the alumbrels have the start when you're
notified on the bridge. So every organization there's certain constraints,
but legally bound to notify customers of such breaches. That's
the point of deep concern because afterwards, which direction the
attack is going to project towards is really up to
the cyber criminals. In this case the dark web, it
could have been anywhere else also, so the dark web
(11:32):
specifically has connotations of what kind of other people will
have access to this data, so more criminals, because that's
where a lot of criminal activity happens in the dark web,
and most of it is international. So sometimes injunction orders
are not really effective because now the data access and
further uses of the data or the misusers of the
data are all going to be international, so the local
(11:54):
laws wouldn't apply. But in this case there is also
the organizational responsibility. Given these are high financial worth transactions.
In this particular organization, there has to be rigorous safeguards
of the cybersecurity policies, practices, guide lanes, and also compensation afterwards.
So there is a strong argument here that the value
(12:17):
of the transaction with the organization, the more secure your
data your identity should be. And can trast this with
for example, buying chocolates, that course you wouldn't expect that
transaction to be this important, but there is the complete
opposite when it comes to private healthcare information.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, I think in this particular case with the IVF clinic,
it's already such a highly emotional and really important and
pivotal time for a lot of people to put their
trust in a place like this for what they're doing
for family planning, let alone what you're not even thinking about,
which is your cybersecurity. So if your data has been taken,
(12:53):
is the only recourse to join something like a class action.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yes, there's a significantly strong case for compensation. The first
step is to freeze your accounts, change your passwords, so
good practice of cybersecurity guide lines is important so that
no further breaches are unlikely to happen, and also monitor
your accounts, monitor your phone calls for any other suspicious activity.
(13:18):
As a second step, I think the organization should be
held responsible and one challenge is the local laws are
not strong enough in this direction. The best example worldwide
is in Europe because we don't have such laws or
it is in the process of being implemented or mandated.
A class action is potentially the only remaining So in
terms of the lack of other avenues, it comes down
(13:41):
to something really harsh compared to where the organization is
positioned in this equation. So the viable option for those affective.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Question for the group how do you feel? Ever caught
yourself thinking, oh, I still feel twenty five, even as
your knees or your back maybe say otherwise. Most people,
it turns out, feel younger in their minds than their
real calendar age, and scientists actually have a name for
(14:15):
this subjective age. Studies show there's a magic number that
most adults land on, aka the age where people say
they feel inside no matter how many candles are on
the birthday cake. Mamma Mer lifestyle writer Analyie's Todd has
been getting in touch with her and other people's subjective ages.
Analys talk to me, where does this idea of subjective
(14:36):
age actually come from?
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Well, I thought I was just alone because everyone teases
me in the office I'm forty one and I believe
I'm twenty eight mentally. And then I read about it's
actually a scientific thing, and I felt so validated.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Okay, so walk me through where the science comes into this,
because it's not just about you feeling youthful and dressing
youthful and waking up and feeling like you are twenty
eight years old.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
No, but thank you for those compliments.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Ye.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
No, it's actually a professor of psychology and neuroscience, doctor
David Ruben. He did this massive study and he found
something called an attractor age. The best way to describe
would be a psychological sweet spot that our minds sort
of gravitate towards. And it's an age where the most
sort of formulative things happen to us. And for me,
(15:22):
the way I would explain it, it's like maybe a
time where you most felt like you.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Okay, so for you, that's twenty eight. But there's this
idea of the golden number, the one age that the
more people you ask this is the number they keep
coming back to. What is the golden number?
Speaker 5 (15:37):
So the magic number for most people is twenty five,
but that can sort of move and shift. But what
he found in studying people is that after the age
of forty, your attractor age is definitely around sort of
twenty percent younger.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Why is that? Is it because when you think about
twenty percent of time ago, you're in a stage in
life maybe where you have a bit of an idea
about who you are, you know where you're going in life,
but you don't yet have the burden of all of
life's big major responsibilities and milestones at that point.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
From the research, and you know, here is a scientists,
So this is facts.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
This is not just you feeling twenty eight, thank you.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
It's about our minds naturally gravitating towards an optimal period
of life when we really experience those peak identity formations
and major life transitions.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
So twenty five for me, I don't identify that as
my golden age, that magic number just yet. But maybe
that's because I'm not too too far departed from twenty five.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Yes, relatable.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
What about the other way, do people ever feel like
they're subjective age? They feel older on the inside.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Yeah, So what he found in the study is that
people who are under twenty five often feel older, and
again it's more gravitating towards that magic number of twenty five.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Why is this important, anallyes, Is it the idea that
our subjective age can tell us something about our health.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Well, the other thing that he found, and I also
spoke to another psychologist about it directly, Jackie Manning, who's fantastic,
and what he actually found is it's not so much
about denial. It's not about wishing that you were younger.
It's what Reuben's study found that echoes. Also the sentiments
that the psychologist I spoke to agreed, and it's about
(17:17):
you envisioning that you have many generative years ahead of you.
So it's not like you're thinking, oh, you know, life's over.
You really do have that vision that your future is
not one long, dreary corridor of locked doors. And it's
really about a sign of resilience and optimism rather than delusion,
which obviously I love.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with
us today. The quickie is produced by me Taylor Strano,
and Claire Murphy, with audio production by lout Hill
You're listening to a Mumma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges
the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast
is recorded on.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma MEA's twice daily
news podcast, The Quickie. What do Quantus, Louis, Vuitton, Optus
and janea Fertility all have in common? If you're drawing
a blank, allow me to fill in the gaps. They've
all fallen victim to security breaches, with customers personal data
ripe for the picking by cyber criminals. So how worried
(00:44):
should we actually be about a data breach? Plus? Why
does so many of us feel young on the inside
even as the birthday numbers rise? It turns out subjective
age isn't just a feeling. Science says it's real before
we get there. Here's Claire Murphy with the latest from
the Quickie newsroom for Friday, July twenty five.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Thanks Taylor, Five Australian women allegedly forced to submit to
invasive strip searches at Dohars Hamad Airport have been given
the go ahead to sue Qatar Airways. The women who
cannot be legally named or amongst hundreds alleged to have
been forcibly removed from aircraft at Doha in October twenty
twenty as official search for the mother of a newborn
found in a bathroom in the terminal taken off planes
(01:26):
by armed guards. Many alleged they were forced into non
consensual gynecological or intimate physical examinations. After an initial ruling
barring them from pursuing the airline and the QC doub A,
the Federal Court ruled on Thursday that the suit against
Qatar Airways and the airport operator could continue. The women
are seeking compensation for mental stress, for alleged assault, and
(01:48):
for the alleged false imprisonment. They claim the airline and
the airport operator were negligent and breach their duty of
care to passengers. The US is cutting its ceasefire talks
between Hamas and Israel short due to what they say
is Hamash showing a lack of desire to reach a
ceasefire in Gaza. Special Envoys Steve Whitcoff flagged that the
US will now consider alternative options to bring israel Els
(02:09):
hostages home, saying while the mediators have made a great effort,
her master does not appear to be coordinated or acting
in good faith. He said it was a shame that
her Mass has acted in this selfish way, and that
the US is resolute in seeking an end to the
conflict in Gaza. A breakthrough in talks hon a cease
fine deal between Israel and Hamas has eluded the Trump
administration for months as conditions worsened in the region. The
(02:33):
territory recently had its deadliest day yet for aid seekers
in over twenty one months of war, with at least
eighty five Palestinians killed while trying to reach food on Sunday,
while dozens of people have now staffed to death in
recent weeks. An Australian man has been found dead with
a mobile phone still on a call on his chest
in a hotel room on the Thai island of Pouquette.
(02:54):
Hotel staff found the body of the man, in his
early twenties on Wednesday morning. He'd reportedly been in a
recent motorcycle crash and was found with his arm bandaged
and no signs of a struggle or anything suspicious, according
to the local police lieutenant. They confirmed he was still
on a call when he was found. The screen was dark,
but the line was still connected, authority, saying it appeared
(03:15):
he'd been on the call for about twelve hours. They
yet to release the name of the man, who was
born in India but has an Australian passport. Ossie actor
Rebel Wilson is facing more legal action, accused of trying
to block distribution of the first film she directed. Filed
in the New South Wales Supreme Court yesterday. Production company
AI Film has alleged Wilson falsely accused it of trying
(03:36):
to block the release of her directorial debut, the twenty
twenty four musical The deb which premieredd the Toronto Film
Festival in September. The suit accuses Wilson of undermining attempts
of producers to secure it distribution deal for the film
by continuing to make public and false allegations, and by
deliberately undermining the negotiations with potential distributors. It does not
(03:57):
specifically allege why she would attempt to prevent distribution of
her own film. The public and false allegations relate to
Instagram posts made by Wilson, who claims actor Charlotte mckinnis
told her that a producer on the movie, asked her
to stay in the same apartment as them, and was
asked to have a bath and shower with her, making
her feel uncomfortable. Mcinness denies the allegations, saying false accusations
(04:19):
undermine real victims, saying she won't be the subject of
a fabricated narrative. Wilson backed the initial claim, saying mckinness
has now been given a job by the producer as
well as securing a record deal, and that should be
all the proof you need as to why she's now
changed her story. A separate lawsuit filed in the United
States claims Wilson wanted credit for work she did not
do and to overshadow young up and coming artists who
(04:42):
truly deserve the credit. Wilson was not awarded a writing
credit for the film. Professional wrestler WWE star Hulk Hogan
has died age seventy one. Hogan is widely credited with
changing the wrestling scene into the global phenomenon it is today,
shifting it more into entertainment over sport. He starred in
the first ever WWE WrestleMania back in nineteen eighty five,
(05:04):
winning six WWE championships and inducted into the Hall of
Fame in two thousand and five. In recent years, he's
been a vocal supporter of President Trump, appearing and speaking
at some of his rallies during the election campaign. He
was pronounced dead on Thursday morning in Florida. Emergency responders
called to the scene due to the star suffering a
carniac arrest. That's the latest news headlines, and if you're
(05:25):
after more celebrity news, head to link in our show
notes for the spills daily entertainment headlines.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Thanks Claire. Next, let's dive into the data dilemma. It
feels like there's a new data breach in the headlines
every other week at the moment. This year alone, millions
of ossies have had their private information exposed after cyber
(05:51):
attacks on major companies the likes of Jenea, Fertility, and Quantus.
Even in recent years, telcom giants like Optus have also
fallen victim. In February, ivf provided Janea discovered cyber criminals
had accessed their network, exposing deeply personal patient information, names, addresses, diagnoses,
(06:12):
even clinical histories. All of it months on, and the
company has now confirmed to patients their info has been
posted on the dark web. Patients are now still only
gradually learning about what was taken, and support services and
hotlines have been launched to help those at risk of
identity fraud, blackmail or privacy invasions. In fact, a Mumma
(06:33):
Mire reader got in touch and shared the email she
was sent by the fertility company.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Just this week, we are writing to update you on
Jenaea's investigation into the cyber incident that we wrote to
you previously about in February twenty twenty five. Jania's completed
investigation has confirmed that personal information about you was taken
and published on the dark web.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Then there's Quantus, a cyber attack just last month led
to five point seven million Frequent Flyer customers having their names,
dates of birth, contact details, and even their meal preferences compromised.
This time hackers used AI to trick their way in
via a third party call center system. There's a class
action lawsuit underway and a court has already stepped in
(07:21):
to try and block further distribution of the stolen data,
but so far no evidence has emerged that the data
has been dumped online or sold publicly. Turning the dial
back a little further, many of US still remember the
Optis breach back in twenty twenty two, which saw up
to ten million customers info land in the wrong hands,
(07:42):
everything from names, addresses, passport numbers and more. Some of
that data popped up for ransom on the dark web,
and even today, customers are still living with the hassle
that comes from having their identity at risk or needing
to replace documents. Not even luxury fashion houses are immune
to data breaches. Earlier this week, Louis Vuitton Australia confirmed
(08:02):
they too were victims to a data breach, with customers
information like purchase histories and contact details exposed. But what
does this all mean for you? Do we just resign
ourselves to receiving spam emails and scam calls? Or is
there a hidden threat when information lands on places like
the dark Web. To help us unpack just how worried
you should be, we're joined by La Trobe, University Professor
(08:24):
of AI and Analytics. DA's when to silver. Why do
these data breaches keep happening?
Speaker 4 (08:31):
It is easy prey lots of people fairly careless protecting
their identity and the information online, and this is exploited
by cyber criminals by large margins. I think if you
look at the local statistics or even the international statistics,
there's at least one cyber attack happening every sixty seconds
(08:52):
or forty seconds. It's really significant. I think the number
is more than two thousand attacks per day.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Turn the news on in the morning and see that
our frequent flyer program or our health insurance has reported
a breach. How worried should we actually be about that?
Speaker 4 (09:08):
It is a serious breach of our personal information, so
we have to be extremely concerned. Potentially, the first step
is to be mindful monitor all online activity, So say,
if it's a bank, check your banking apps, if it's
frequently information, or if it's healthcare information, check those systems,
the portals that you have on your smartphone or on
(09:29):
the computer, make sure there's no suspicious activity, and if
there is, you should report this immediately. And the second
step is obviously to contact the organization and ask for
more information about the bridge.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Why the hackers do this, What do they actually want
to do with our information? Is it a thing of
they want to sell it off or is it more
about getting money out of the company they've taken it
from when they ranting it back to them.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
It's entirely financially motivated. Unless there is a more sophisticated
attack that involves state actors, then there is political or
geopolitical gain. But a majority of the attacks are financially
motivated and they're looking for a shortcut towards benefiting financially
from the data that's been stolen. So the first approach
would be the ransomware, where they gain access to a system,
(10:16):
freeze the asset, or they stop access to the system
from the organizational end, and then demand a ransom for releasing.
So there is a really strong encryption impost on the system.
That's the shortest thing to do. Get into an organization's
computing infrastructure, data architecture and then demand a ransom. But
it also depends on the extent of the data bridge.
(10:38):
The level of sensitivity is the confidentiality of the data,
and that's the second step. Really they would release this
on the dark web, which is something that we've seen recently,
or the other one is to use that for secondary attacks.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah, I'm glad you bring the dark web. But because
I want to speak specifically about the case of the
Jenea fertility patients this week, they receive confirmation that their
information which was lifted during a data breach earlier this year,
had ended up on the dark web. Is that really
when the alarm bell should be absolutely ringing throughout people
who are part of this breach.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Well, I think the alumbrels have the start when you're
notified on the bridge. So every organization there's certain constraints,
but legally bound to notify customers of such breaches. That's
the point of deep concern because afterwards, which direction the
attack is going to project towards is really up to
the cyber criminals. In this case the dark web, it
could have been anywhere else also, so the dark web
(11:32):
specifically has connotations of what kind of other people will
have access to this data, so more criminals, because that's
where a lot of criminal activity happens in the dark web,
and most of it is international. So sometimes injunction orders
are not really effective because now the data access and
further uses of the data or the misusers of the
data are all going to be international, so the local
(11:54):
laws wouldn't apply. But in this case there is also
the organizational responsibility. Given these are high financial worth transactions.
In this particular organization, there has to be rigorous safeguards
of the cybersecurity policies, practices, guide lanes, and also compensation afterwards.
So there is a strong argument here that the value
(12:17):
of the transaction with the organization, the more secure your
data your identity should be. And can trast this with
for example, buying chocolates, that course you wouldn't expect that
transaction to be this important, but there is the complete
opposite when it comes to private healthcare information.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, I think in this particular case with the IVF clinic,
it's already such a highly emotional and really important and
pivotal time for a lot of people to put their
trust in a place like this for what they're doing
for family planning, let alone what you're not even thinking about,
which is your cybersecurity. So if your data has been taken,
(12:53):
is the only recourse to join something like a class action.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yes, there's a significantly strong case for compensation. The first
step is to freeze your accounts, change your passwords, so
good practice of cybersecurity guide lines is important so that
no further breaches are unlikely to happen, and also monitor
your accounts, monitor your phone calls for any other suspicious activity.
(13:18):
As a second step, I think the organization should be
held responsible and one challenge is the local laws are
not strong enough in this direction. The best example worldwide
is in Europe because we don't have such laws or
it is in the process of being implemented or mandated.
A class action is potentially the only remaining So in
terms of the lack of other avenues, it comes down
(13:41):
to something really harsh compared to where the organization is
positioned in this equation. So the viable option for those affective.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Question for the group how do you feel? Ever caught
yourself thinking, oh, I still feel twenty five, even as
your knees or your back maybe say otherwise. Most people,
it turns out, feel younger in their minds than their
real calendar age, and scientists actually have a name for
(14:15):
this subjective age. Studies show there's a magic number that
most adults land on, aka the age where people say
they feel inside no matter how many candles are on
the birthday cake. Mamma Mer lifestyle writer Analyie's Todd has
been getting in touch with her and other people's subjective ages.
Analys talk to me, where does this idea of subjective
(14:36):
age actually come from?
Speaker 5 (14:37):
Well, I thought I was just alone because everyone teases
me in the office I'm forty one and I believe
I'm twenty eight mentally. And then I read about it's
actually a scientific thing, and I felt so validated.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Okay, so walk me through where the science comes into this,
because it's not just about you feeling youthful and dressing
youthful and waking up and feeling like you are twenty
eight years old.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
No, but thank you for those compliments.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Ye.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
No, it's actually a professor of psychology and neuroscience, doctor
David Ruben. He did this massive study and he found
something called an attractor age. The best way to describe
would be a psychological sweet spot that our minds sort
of gravitate towards. And it's an age where the most
sort of formulative things happen to us. And for me,
(15:22):
the way I would explain it, it's like maybe a
time where you most felt like you.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Okay, so for you, that's twenty eight. But there's this
idea of the golden number, the one age that the
more people you ask this is the number they keep
coming back to. What is the golden number?
Speaker 5 (15:37):
So the magic number for most people is twenty five,
but that can sort of move and shift. But what
he found in studying people is that after the age
of forty, your attractor age is definitely around sort of
twenty percent younger.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Why is that? Is it because when you think about
twenty percent of time ago, you're in a stage in
life maybe where you have a bit of an idea
about who you are, you know where you're going in life,
but you don't yet have the burden of all of
life's big major responsibilities and milestones at that point.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
From the research, and you know, here is a scientists,
So this is facts.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
This is not just you feeling twenty eight, thank you.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
It's about our minds naturally gravitating towards an optimal period
of life when we really experience those peak identity formations
and major life transitions.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
So twenty five for me, I don't identify that as
my golden age, that magic number just yet. But maybe
that's because I'm not too too far departed from twenty five.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Yes, relatable.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
What about the other way, do people ever feel like
they're subjective age? They feel older on the inside.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Yeah, So what he found in the study is that
people who are under twenty five often feel older, and
again it's more gravitating towards that magic number of twenty five.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Why is this important, anallyes, Is it the idea that
our subjective age can tell us something about our health.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Well, the other thing that he found, and I also
spoke to another psychologist about it directly, Jackie Manning, who's fantastic,
and what he actually found is it's not so much
about denial. It's not about wishing that you were younger.
It's what Reuben's study found that echoes. Also the sentiments
that the psychologist I spoke to agreed, and it's about
(17:17):
you envisioning that you have many generative years ahead of you.
So it's not like you're thinking, oh, you know, life's over.
You really do have that vision that your future is
not one long, dreary corridor of locked doors. And it's
really about a sign of resilience and optimism rather than delusion,
which obviously I love.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with
us today. The quickie is produced by me Taylor Strano,
and Claire Murphy, with audio production by lout Hill
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