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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily
news podcast, The Quickie. There's been a recent surge of
gambling influences, from Pokey's in the pub to big ticket
bets on social media. We have some questions like why
is this content so popular, who's watching it? And should
we be worried about the impact on young people. Plus
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we're unpacking the latest tough love parenting trend faffo or
around and find out before we get to all of that.
He is Claire Murphy with the latest from the QUICKI
News room for Thursday, August seven.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Thanks Taylor. The jury in the trial of reality TV
star Matt Wright has been told how he tried to
get his hands on documents that might betray his underreporting
of flying hours. The Outback Wrangler's trial is underway in
the Supreme Court in Darwin, more than three years after
his co star Chris Willow Wilson died in the outback
crash that left pilot Sebastian Robinson a paraplegic. They were
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collecting crocodile legs along the King River in arnham Land
when the crash occurred. The Crown prosecutor told the jury
on Wednesday, the charges do not relate to the cause
of the accident and it's not alleged Right was responsible
for the crash, the death of mister Wilson or mister
Robinson's injuries, but that the case was about how Right
did not properly record helicopter flying hours and was concerned
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that crash investigators would uncover that, leading to charges against
him and his helicopter company. The jurors were told they
would hear evidence that tried to procure Sebastian Robertson's diary,
phone and logbook while the seriously injured pilot was in
hospital in Brisbane. Wright has pleaded not guilty to three
counts of attempting to pervert the course of justice following
the February twenty twenty two incident. The recent Tasmanian election
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has not settled the political turmoil, with Labor leader Dean
Winter saying his party will declare another motion of no
confidence in Liberal Premier Jeremy rocks Cliff when Parliament resumes
on August nineteen. Governor Barbara Baker reappointed Rockliffe as Premier
in minority government on Wednesday, after weeks of political limbo
following the snap election that was triggered by mister Rockcliffe
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losing a no confidence vote in early June. Neither the
Liberals or Labour managed to win the eighteen seats required
to control the Lower House on their own, and mister
Rockcliffe has no formal agreements of support with the eleven
elected minor party and peas and independents to form a
minority government, but the governor says the incumbent has the
right to remain in office to test the numbers. Winter
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says any no confidence motion they move will not result
in another election, but rather confirm whether the Liberals or
Labor will form government. At least thirty eight Palestinians have
been killed after Israeli soldiers fired on them as they
sought aid from United Nations convoys and sites run by
an Israeli backed American contractor. The Israeli military said it
fired warning shots when crowds approached its forces. According to
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local hospitals in Gaza and other twenty five people in clifting.
Several women and children were killed in Israeli air strikes.
The military said it is only targeting hamas militants. The
latest deaths come as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyah, who is
expected to announce further military action in the enclave and
possibly plans for Israel to fully reoccupy Gaza. Net Nyaho's
far right coalition allies have long called for war to
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be expanded and for Israel to eventually take over Gaza,
relocating much of its population and building Jewish settlements. US
President Donald Trump was asked by a reporter on Tuesday
whether he supports the plan for Israel to occupy Gaza,
Trump saying he wasn't aware of the suggestion, but that
it's going to be pretty much up to Israel. Convicted
Idaho killer Brian Coburger was investigated in relation to another
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break in at a house where college girls lived more
than a year before the murders. Newly released document show
Coburger was considered a suspect after a home in Pullman,
where Coburger lived and attended university, was broken into in
twenty twenty one. One of the four students who lived
there said she awoke to find a nice fielding man
wearing a mask standing over her bed. She kicked him
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in the stomach and he fled without saying anything. The
case has many similarities to the killing of the Idaho
Four Madison Mogan, Kaylie Gonzavez, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin
in twenty twenty three, who was stabbed to death by
a mask wearing man who broke in while they were asleep.
Coburger changed his plea to guilty at his recent trial,
sentenced to four consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Thanks Claire. Next, should we found gambling content on social media?
You can't scroll through TikTok, Instagram, or even YouTube these
days without bumping into a new wave of gambling influences.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
All right, boys, four hundred dollars on the Pokeyes, bro.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Gamble with Brielle.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
She's the best broad.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
It is always like it's just the wrong seeing two
hundred dollars peatok print that five dollars club make the
money for.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Young folks, often in their twenties, roaring with excitement as
they hit the pokey's, place a bet at the races,
or stream their blackjack sessions live. They're not just having
a punt. They're building brand of catchphrases and spectacle for
a crowd of tens or even hundreds of thousands of followers.
So what actually is a gambling influencer? Well, in short,
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there's social media personalities who share videos of themselves gambling
at pubs, casinos, even online, often with high stakes bets,
over the top reactions and community catch ups. In the comments,
some tip the odds or talk strategy. Others simply celebrate
wins commiserate losses. And that's a wrap. I guess I'm
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not going tonight and build a sense of camaraderie around
risk taking. But who's watching these people? According to recent research,
the audience is surprisingly mixed, older than you might think
for Internet trends, evenly split between men and women, and
including a lot of regular gamblers. But there's a worrying trend.
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These streams often land squarely in front of young viewers,
including those under eighteen, who wouldn't even be allowed inside
a real pokey lounge or casino. That's because TikTok, Instagram, YouTube,
and especially the streaming platform Kick have pretty loose age
restrictions and almost no reliable way to keep teens from
following or stumbling across gambling content. One of the concerns
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with the rise of gambling influencers is their ability to
often turn gambling losses into a badge of honor. They
also share ideas about luck and strategy that can make
gambling look a lot less risky than it is. Viewers,
especially younger ones, can get unrealistic ideas about odds, getting
hooked on the thrill, or even find themselves nudge towards gambling.
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For real influencers, posts aren't always marked as sponsored, and
it's common to spot referral links or direct ads to
online casinos mixed in. Now Here's where things get tricky.
Gambling companies in Australia are tightly regulated. For example, the
law dictates that they can't advertise during live sport from
five am to eight thirty pm, or even show odds
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during breaks in play. There are bands on kid friendly ads,
streact no appeals to minor rules and big fines for
breaking them. For gambling influencers, well, they're largely unregulated. There's
no system for vetting their content, no time restrictions, and
no guarantee that audiences aren't made up of teens or kids.
It's a loophole that regulation hasn't caught up with. So
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what now should there be bands or tighter restrictions on
gambling content by influencers online? To help us break it down,
we're joined by co director of the University of Sydney
Game and Play Lab, doctor Mark Johnson. Mark, let's dive
straight in should we ban gambling influences and their content
from social media?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I think that there's suddenly a lot of it to
say that these are things we should be very concerned about.
So I just finished up the kind of first big
study of people who watch this kind of content, particularly
in my case, on twitch and kick, and one thing
that we found was the roughly half of all the
people who we surveyed said that they felt watching this
kind of content online made them some more likely to
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be inclined to gamble with their own money. And that's
a pretty huge thing, of course. But the flip side
is that we also found that roughly a quarter of
our respondents said they felt watching this kind of content
made them in fact less likely to play with their
money because they were still able to get some of
the thrill some of the excitements and so on from
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watching videos rather than doing it themselves. So I think
it's quite a complex space, particularly with the ACMA thing
a few weeks ago. I think it is increasingly kind
of coming to people's attention. But this content that discontent
exists and it's something we should definitely be thinking about.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I want to come back to the ACMA thing in
a moment. Can you actually just tell us what is
the definition of a gambling influencer? What does their content
actually look like?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
I think the best way to explain is by spitting
into two groups. There's offline ones and online ones. So
the offline ones are people who are recording videos of
themselves going into kind of casinos and places like that
and playing gambling games. It might be Pokey's or slots
in most cases, but there's also plenty of people who
also record themselves playing craps of Blackjack, of roulette and
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so on, if they are doing it in a book
and mortar casino in general, those are people who upload
their videos to YouTube or TikTok or Instagram as well.
And then the other side is people who are recording
and broadcasting their play of online casinos. Again, in general
pokey slash slots, and then they are live streaming themselves
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on Twitch and on kick as well, And in all
of these sorts of context, there's quite a lot of
kind of back and forth between the streamer or the
broadcaster or the content creator what that they kind of
frame themselves as and their viewers mark.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Is there a particular demographic of people that are more
likely to watch content from gambling influences?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Right now, we don't have too much data on that.
There's only four publications from academic research on Earth on
this topic, and I wrote two of them. There's just
not that much research on this yet. What we know
is it does tend young, although less young than gambling
in gen and well does, which is quite a kind
of wide age range thing. Most of the people viewing
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these channels do seem to be in their twenties and
in their thirties. We also do know that some young
people below the age of eighteen are viewing these but
we don't have data on how many. So it could
be only one in one hundred people who watch this
content are below the age of eighteen. It could be
nineteen nine and out of one hundred, we just don't
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have that data. Yet this content tends to also be
very badly age gated, so when you go onto the
streams on Twitch or kick, it'll just say are you're eighteen?
Yes or no? You'd like yes and you're gone.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Help me through what happened with ACMA a few weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yes, so ACMA kind of put out a notice to
broadcasters and content creators and influences on in Australia that
particular things they might be doing might be breaking existing laws.
So there aren't really any legislative or veculatory responses in
place yet to broadcasting gambling content, but this notice point
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that certain kinds of online play are banned in this country,
and therefore by streaming those you are essentially streaming yourself
breaking the law, which seems like maybe not the wisest
thing to do. But my recent study showed that a
lot of gambling streamers on Twitch, which does allow this
kind of content but also has fairly strict rules around it,
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a lot of gambling influencers on Twitch don't in fact
follow the platform's rules, and so that shows that this
is not all, of course, but in general, there's quite
a lot of people doing this kind of broadcasting who
maybe aren't particularly concerned about rules and regulations when it
comes to the kind of content. And I think that's
also be inflected as well in the coming to online
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casinos they broadcast themselves on, as most of these are
offshore cryptocoovency sites which also have quite complexly galil with
these around them at times as well.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Before we let you go, Mark, I on't o pose
something to we know that these influencers are currently operating
in a bit of a great area. They're not quite
held to the same standard as say television broadcasters or
gambling companies when it comes to advertising or perceived advertising.
With under sixteens about to be barred from social media accounts,
accessing this kind of content will inevitably become slightly more
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difficult for them. So in theory, if it's just adults
online viewing this kind of content, who for the most
part are of sound mind can make their own decisions,
does that lessen the consequence do you think on gambling influences.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I think it does reduce it if you are reducing
the extent to which young people can access this kind
of content. And then given research like mine which shows
that more often than not, it does encourage viewers to
then want to play themselves. I think it will reduce
some total of harm, but how much it will reduce it,
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like I say, is tricky because we don't know exactly
how many people who watch these childs are young people
at this point. So I think it will reduce it.
But as you kind of hint that a bit there,
it will reduce how much this can be accessed by
people below the age sixteen, but not that much because
vtns exist and young people are very resourceful when it
comes to online lives and online content and so on,
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so I wouldn't expect that, especially when the full social
mediaa band comes in. I don't think it's going to
fully prevent it or anything close to it most likely,
but it will reduce it, and in doing so, will
I expect really reduce some of the harms which research
is now the beginning to pin down watching these kinds
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of broadcasts and these sense of videos might do with people.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Have you heard about this term around and find out
it's now being co opted into parenting, a sharp departure
from the gentle approaches that have recently dominated child rearing.
The idea is simple, when your kid makes a questionable choice.
You let them face the real world consequences, no lectures,
no soft landings. It's supposed to build resilience and teach
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life's tough lessons early. But does it work or is
it just the latest internet wisdom that's more hashtag than helpful?
Parenting expert Gen Neil warns this tough love approach can
cross a line if it means letting your kids struggle
without support, lose trust, or get the message that they're
on their own when things go wrong. FAFO might suit
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some situations, like forgetting your jacket and getting cold, but
it's not a magic bullet. If a child feels shamed, unsafe,
or on loved, the fall out can last far beyond
a single lesson. Now, this is a far departure from
gentle parenting, which isn't without its own problems. According to Jen,
the issue isn't with gentle parenting itself, but with how
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it's being communicated and largely misunderstood. Gentle parenting was meant
to strike a balance connection and boundaries, but somewhere along
the way the firm part got lost in translation. Many
parents know what not to do aka no yelling, no punishments,
but they weren't shown what to do instead. As with
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nearly every parenting style, balance is key. Kids learn best
with firm boundaries and care, and making mistakes is healthy
if there's a net to catch them and talk it through.
If you want to hear more from Jen, you can
stream her on Mumma MEA's co listening podcast for parents
and children, how to Build a Universe. I'll make sure
they link it in the show notes. Thanks for taking
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the time to feed your mind with us today. The
quickie is produced by me Taylor Strano and Clere Murphy,
with audio production by Lou Hill.