July 31, 2025 • 17 mins
More nations have announced they'll recognise a Palestinian State in September - but only if Israel doesn't meet their conditions for peace first, raising questions about whether Australia will follow suit.
Plus, are you always early or perpetually running late? We explore the science of "time personalities" and why your relationship with punctuality might actually be your secret superpower.
And in headlines today, a 61-year-old grandmother from New South Wales is among the first Australians to receive a breakthrough treatment for early Alzheimer’s disease; The National Student Ombudsman may launch a major review into how universities in Australia handle gender-based violence; The Palastine Action Group is seeking to march across the Sydney Harbour Bridge this Sunday in protest of what it calls deliberate mass starvation in Gaza; Former U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris will publish a memoir on September 23.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mumma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
that this podcast is recorded on.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma Mer's twice daily
news podcast, The Quickie. This week signaled another turn on
the world stage when it comes to the Israel Hamas conflict.
Canada has now followed suit, along with the United Kingdom
and France, to move on recognizing a Palestinian state, but
not without conditions. So what does that mean for Australia?
(00:44):
Will we too join the call? Plus why your time
habits early, late or something in between might just be
your secret superpower. Before we get there, here's Talie Blackman
with the latest from The Quickie newsroom for Friday, Augus one.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Thanks Taylor, a sixty one year old grandmother from New
South Wales is among the first Australians to receive a
breakthrough treatment for early Alzheimer's disease. Jenny Queering, a former nurse,
is now being treated with dnanamab, the first new Alzheimer's
drug approved in twenty five years. The medication, also known
as Cassunla, works by slowing the progression of the disease
(01:22):
in its early stages. Her husband James says it's probably
the first little bit of hope they've been given. The treatment,
delivered through monthly infusions, could cost up to one hundred
thousand dollars over eighteen months, but a government advisory panel
is considering whether to add it to the pharmaceutical benefit scheme.
Neurologist doctor Rowena Mobbs has described the drug as a
(01:43):
new age in Alzheimer's care, and Jenny hopes that means
more time with her children and fifteen grandchildren. The National
Student Ombudsman may launch a major review into how universities
in Australia handle gender based violence after receiving nearly twenty
two hundred student complaints in just six months. Sarah Bendel,
who leads the office, says five percent of complaints were
(02:06):
about gender based violence, but warns that number doesn't reflect
the true scale of the issue as many students are
afraid to come forward. The Ombardsmen were set up after
a parliamentary report criticized Australian universities for mishandling sexual assault
and harassment cases. According to the Ombudsman, more than half
of the complaints have now been resolved. Miss Bendall says
(02:28):
students often felt ignored by their universities. However, in one case,
a survivor has finally received an apology and action. Organizers
of a planned pro Palestine march across the Sydney Harbour
Bridge say they'll cross that bridge when they come to
it if a court blocks the protest. The Palestine Action
Group is seeking to march this Sunday in a protest
(02:50):
of what it calls deliberate mass starvation in Gaza. New
South Wales police will challenge the ralli's legality in the
Supreme Court on Friday. Organizer Joshua Lees says the protest
is unstoppable and has wide public support. However, Premier Chris
Mins opposes the march, warning Sydney would descend into chaos.
Israel denies it is blocking aid to Gaza, but humanitarian
(03:13):
groups report severe shortages of food, water, and medicine. Protests
have continued weekly across Australia since Israel's invasion. Following her
Mass's October seven attacks, more than fifty unions and advocacy groups,
including Human Rights Watch and the New South Wales Nurses
and midwives Association have urged the premier to protect the
(03:33):
right to protest. Meanwhile, pressure is building internationally. Canada has
joined France and the UK in recognizing Palestinian statehood. Prime
Minister Anthony Alberizi has stepped up criticism of Israel's conduct
in Gaza, but stopped short of recognition. The Court will
decide today whether the Sydney March can go ahead legally.
(03:54):
Protests say they're committed to peaceful demonstration regardless of the outcome.
Former US Vice President Kamala Harris will publish a memoir
on September twenty three, titled One hundred and seven Days,
reflecting on her brief but historic twenty twenty four presidential campaign.
The book, named after the length of her campaign, will
be released by Simon and Schuster, who describe it as
(04:16):
a page turning account offering behind the scenes insight. In
a video, Harris says she wrote the memoir with Canada
and reflection, sharing what she learned and witnessed. Harris led
the Democratic ticket after President Joe Biden stepped aside, but
she lost to Donald Trump in November. She has confirmed
she will not run for California governor in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Thanks Charlie. Next, the latest push for Palestinian recognition and
what it means for Australia. This week, both the United
Kingdom and Canada have announced they will recognize Palestine as
a state at the UN General Assembly in September. That
(04:58):
that move doesn't come without conditions. If you're a little
lost or need a reminder of what else has happened
in news around Garza this week, we've been keeping you updated,
including with an episode just a few days ago, I'll
link in our show notes for you to get up
to speed. Back to the latest with the UK and
Canada that recognition from the two nations is conditional, so
(05:21):
what exactly are the strings attached? The UK Prime Minister
Kiir Starmer says recognition will happen unless Israel takes substantial
steps for peace, like agreeing to cease fire in Gaza,
opening humanitarian corridors, halting any new annexation of the West Bank,
and coming back to the negotiating table for a true
two state solution. Starma made it clear if Israel refuses,
(05:46):
UK recognition goes ahead in September. In the meantime, Britain
has quick distressed that Hermas must first hand back all hostages,
agreeing to disarm and play no part in Gaza's future government.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
And will make an assessment in September on how further
parties have met these steps, but no one should have
a veto over our decision.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Canada's conditions are similar. Prime Minister Mark Karney says Canada's
recognition is predicated on the Palestinian authority delivering major reforms,
holding free elections in twenty twenty six, and committing to
a demilitarized future state now. Kari also condemned Israel for
allowing a catastrophe to unfold in Gaza, but repeated that
(06:31):
strong democratic Palestinian governance is non negotiable for recognition.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Canada will increase its efforts in supporting strong democratic governance
in Palestine and the contributions of its people to a
more peaceful and hopeful future.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So what does Israel say about all of this? Well,
the Israeli government has slammed the UK, France and Canada,
declaring their plans a reward for hamask that could undermine
efforts to free hostages and strike a cease fire deal.
State officials say these countries are sending the wrong message
by appearing to legitimize Hamas at a time of ongoing
conflict and immense suffering in Gaza. As For other major
(07:10):
players like the United States, who are a permanent member
of the UN Security Council with veto power, its position
carries extra weight. That's because for Palestinian statehood to gain
full UN membership, approval from the Security Council is required,
and right now the US President has gone on record
echoing Israel's line, warning that these recognition moves amount to
(07:32):
rewarding Hamas. In other words, even if a majority of
country supports statehood, the US can still block it, and
that makes it stance a decisive factor.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
I've not had that camp, to be honest.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
We'll let you know where we are, but I am
not in that camp because if you do that, you
really are rewarding Amas.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
So where does Australia stand. While the Albanizer government says
it supports a two state solution and is open to
recognizing Palestine in the future, it hasn't officially committed, but frontbenchers,
including the Treasurer Jim Chalmers, who appeared on the ABC
this week, were quick to say this.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
I think it's a matter of when, not if, Australia
recognizes a Palestinian state, but I don't want to put
a timeframe on it. It's been a long standing bipartisan
policy that we see a two state solution in that
part of the Middle East. From my point of view,
that progress that is being made, that momentum that we're
seeing in the international community is welcome, but it's also conditional.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Now that's off the back of comments from the Foreign
Minister Pennywong earlier this week that certain conditions would need
to be met before Australia joins the likes of France
and the UK.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
We have to see from us demilitarized, we have to
see the hostages released. We need to see progress in
terms of the Palestinian authority and its moves to more
democratic and accountable governance.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
So the big question remains, will Australia join this new
wave of recognition. To help us break it down, we
are joined by international relations expert doctor Jessica Genauer. Okay,
jess let's start with the UK and Canada. They both
that they'll acknowledge a ptading in state from September. Some
people are calling this an ultimatum. Can you talk us
through what some of those conditions are that both of
(09:18):
these nations have put on their state recognition.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I do think this is really tricky because there's one
thing in the international arena, which is international recognition that
a state exists and has sovereignty, and that's a really
important part of states actually having nationhood. But then there
are the practical logistics, So does that state actually have
(09:42):
a clear territory, do they have a government that has
centralized control over that territory? Are the borders of that
territory also internationally recognized? Now, in practice this can often
be a little bit less clear on the ground. So
like there are states like, for example, Ukraine is currently
in a war with Russia. It has contested borders, but
it's still considered a sovereign state in the international arena.
(10:05):
Syria right now, there are chunks of Syrian territory that
are not under control role of the central government. It's
still considered a state in the international arena. So sometimes
on the ground things can be less clear than in theory.
But when we're looking at recognizing a state of Palestine,
these issues are very unclear. So even if Palestine were
(10:26):
to get full recognition, in the international arena, which basically
means having full membership of the United Nations. It still
wouldn't be clear what is the territory that constitutes the
state of Palestine. And obviously this gets to the very
core of the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians, Israel and Palestine.
(10:47):
What would constitute that territory, who would have control over
that territory, what would be the legitimate borders of that territory,
and how would they be controlled and maintained. So none
of that is clear, and all of those elements would
be fundamental to actually there being in practical terms a
state of Palestine. And the issue with that is that
(11:09):
those issues around territorial control and borders get to the
very heart of the conflict and the very tricky issues
and matters of governance, which would be very hard to
resolve and would take a long time, and would involve
the Palestinian authority, would involve other governance groups within Palestine,
but then also would need some kind of recognition from
(11:31):
Israel as well in order for that to take place
in practice.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
So those three countries have said they'll recognize a Palestine
state from September. Obviously, the UN General Assembly happens in
the September, There'll be a meeting of all of those nations.
What happens if Israel meets their demands before then, if
the humanitarian conditions are lifted, does that mean that this
recognition has been off the table?
Speaker 1 (11:53):
That's right, So apparently according to what some countries said,
So it seems like France would recognize Palestine in any case.
For the UK, it seems like then they might back
down from recognizing a state of Palestine, which would again
be a very strange way to use recognition of statehood
as almost like leverage in negotiations with another country. Canada
(12:13):
might still recognize a state of Palestine, saying that as
long as these conditions on the ground are met, As
you mentioned holding elections, there being some parameters around governance
structures within what would be a state of Palestine.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
So for Canada they might still go ahead.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
But it seems like the UK would back down if
there was a really substantial resolution to the humanitarian crisis
in Gaza.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Just does it feel like a bit of a tall
order to insist that Palestine hold general elections next year
given the current situation on the ground. The images and
the reporting that we're seeing from that area.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
So I think there are a lot of security and
governance issues that have not been resolved if we're talking
about a state of Palestine. So first of all, the
fact that it's just not clear exactly what that territory
would be. I mean, the Gaza Strip is physically separated
from territories of the West Bank, and within the West
Bank there are some areas under Israeli military control, some
(13:11):
areas under the full control of the Palestinian authority. But
there's no one clear, agreed upon territory that would constitute
the state of Palestine. So I think that would need
to be decided first before you could talk about holding
elections or even talk about governance structures. I mean, in
the past, there's been one governance structure in the Gaza
(13:33):
Strip and a different one in the West Bank, which
was the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas
in Gaza. So even if Hummas is no longer going
to have a place in governance structures, the question still
remains open. Who would control the Gaza Strip, what would
the governance look like? Would elections be appropriate? But first
of all, the territory and the population would need to
(13:53):
be stabilized and determined.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
So earlier this week kir Starma announced that Britain will
recognize Palestine. Attention then naturally turned towards what we're going
to do here in Australia. We started to get that
line from parliamentarians that it's a question of when and
not if. Do you think that that's still the sentiment
after seeing Canada also joining this move for recognition, that
Australia maybe won't be far behind.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, So the Australian government has definitely said that they
support ultimately two states.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Now in order for ultimately.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
There to be two states, a state of Israel the
state of Palestine, at some point a state of Palestine
would need to be recognized.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
That's implicit in that statement.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
So I can see the logic of saying it's a
matter of when, not if, because if ultimately there are
going to be two states, then both states need to
be recognized in the international arena. I think that for
Australia more specifically, what I would see our government doing
is following the lead of our European and North American partners.
(14:54):
So if prominent countries, strong countries in the international arena
like France, the UK and Canada all do go ahead
in September and recognize the state of Palestine, then I
could imagine that Australia might follow suit, but I don't
see US leading on that recognition internationally. I think the
government is trying to be relatively cautious and I think
(15:16):
that if, for example, the UK were to back down
from that, if Canada were to back down, then I
think that Australia probably also would not recognize the state
of Palestine in September.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Are you the friend who's always fifteen minutes early or
always flying in a last second. It turns out this
isn't just about good or bad habits, it's about having
a time personality.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
Now.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
According to new research, most of us fall into one
of two camps. Monochronic types see time like a train schedule, structured,
linear and ticking off one task at a time. Think
like that friend who arrives at nine forty five for
a ten am meeting just in case something goes wrong.
Then there are polychronic types, where time is flexible and
(16:08):
fluid and sometimes a little bit vibe based. They see
deadlines as well guidelines. They believe they can multitask endlessly
and never panic if dinner runs late, and just reading
that makes my little mono heart palpitate. The clash between
monos and pollys can feel personal, but it's really a
difference in wiring, not respect or effort. Some people are hybrids,
(16:32):
part plan are part freestyler, and they kind of like
the unicorns of time management. I guess you would call them. Okay,
So the good news is, once you know your time type,
you can stop trying to fit into someone else's structure
and start working with your natural groove. Next time you're
mad because someone's five minutes away but they're actually still
(16:53):
in the shower, just take a breath. You're on different
time frequencies, whether you live by the clock or by
the sprint. Having a time personality can help you plan,
lower stress, and even communicate better at work, with your
friends or in your family. So go easy on your
polar opposite. They just run on a different schedule. Taking
(17:14):
your time personality into account, consider how it can be
applied in the office. Don't worry, I promise this isn't homework.
Our friends over on the Bizz podcast have already looked
into this very topic. I will link their episode for
you in the show notes. Thanks for taking some time
to feed your mind today. The Quikie is produced by
me Table Strano and Tali Blackman, with audio production by
(17:37):
Lou Hill
You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mumma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
that this podcast is recorded on.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma Mer's twice daily
news podcast, The Quickie. This week signaled another turn on
the world stage when it comes to the Israel Hamas conflict.
Canada has now followed suit, along with the United Kingdom
and France, to move on recognizing a Palestinian state, but
not without conditions. So what does that mean for Australia?
(00:44):
Will we too join the call? Plus why your time
habits early, late or something in between might just be
your secret superpower. Before we get there, here's Talie Blackman
with the latest from The Quickie newsroom for Friday, Augus one.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Thanks Taylor, a sixty one year old grandmother from New
South Wales is among the first Australians to receive a
breakthrough treatment for early Alzheimer's disease. Jenny Queering, a former nurse,
is now being treated with dnanamab, the first new Alzheimer's
drug approved in twenty five years. The medication, also known
as Cassunla, works by slowing the progression of the disease
(01:22):
in its early stages. Her husband James says it's probably
the first little bit of hope they've been given. The treatment,
delivered through monthly infusions, could cost up to one hundred
thousand dollars over eighteen months, but a government advisory panel
is considering whether to add it to the pharmaceutical benefit scheme.
Neurologist doctor Rowena Mobbs has described the drug as a
(01:43):
new age in Alzheimer's care, and Jenny hopes that means
more time with her children and fifteen grandchildren. The National
Student Ombudsman may launch a major review into how universities
in Australia handle gender based violence after receiving nearly twenty
two hundred student complaints in just six months. Sarah Bendel,
who leads the office, says five percent of complaints were
(02:06):
about gender based violence, but warns that number doesn't reflect
the true scale of the issue as many students are
afraid to come forward. The Ombardsmen were set up after
a parliamentary report criticized Australian universities for mishandling sexual assault
and harassment cases. According to the Ombudsman, more than half
of the complaints have now been resolved. Miss Bendall says
(02:28):
students often felt ignored by their universities. However, in one case,
a survivor has finally received an apology and action. Organizers
of a planned pro Palestine march across the Sydney Harbour
Bridge say they'll cross that bridge when they come to
it if a court blocks the protest. The Palestine Action
Group is seeking to march this Sunday in a protest
(02:50):
of what it calls deliberate mass starvation in Gaza. New
South Wales police will challenge the ralli's legality in the
Supreme Court on Friday. Organizer Joshua Lees says the protest
is unstoppable and has wide public support. However, Premier Chris
Mins opposes the march, warning Sydney would descend into chaos.
Israel denies it is blocking aid to Gaza, but humanitarian
(03:13):
groups report severe shortages of food, water, and medicine. Protests
have continued weekly across Australia since Israel's invasion. Following her
Mass's October seven attacks, more than fifty unions and advocacy groups,
including Human Rights Watch and the New South Wales Nurses
and midwives Association have urged the premier to protect the
(03:33):
right to protest. Meanwhile, pressure is building internationally. Canada has
joined France and the UK in recognizing Palestinian statehood. Prime
Minister Anthony Alberizi has stepped up criticism of Israel's conduct
in Gaza, but stopped short of recognition. The Court will
decide today whether the Sydney March can go ahead legally.
(03:54):
Protests say they're committed to peaceful demonstration regardless of the outcome.
Former US Vice President Kamala Harris will publish a memoir
on September twenty three, titled One hundred and seven Days,
reflecting on her brief but historic twenty twenty four presidential campaign.
The book, named after the length of her campaign, will
be released by Simon and Schuster, who describe it as
(04:16):
a page turning account offering behind the scenes insight. In
a video, Harris says she wrote the memoir with Canada
and reflection, sharing what she learned and witnessed. Harris led
the Democratic ticket after President Joe Biden stepped aside, but
she lost to Donald Trump in November. She has confirmed
she will not run for California governor in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Thanks Charlie. Next, the latest push for Palestinian recognition and
what it means for Australia. This week, both the United
Kingdom and Canada have announced they will recognize Palestine as
a state at the UN General Assembly in September. That
(04:58):
that move doesn't come without conditions. If you're a little
lost or need a reminder of what else has happened
in news around Garza this week, we've been keeping you updated,
including with an episode just a few days ago, I'll
link in our show notes for you to get up
to speed. Back to the latest with the UK and
Canada that recognition from the two nations is conditional, so
(05:21):
what exactly are the strings attached? The UK Prime Minister
Kiir Starmer says recognition will happen unless Israel takes substantial
steps for peace, like agreeing to cease fire in Gaza,
opening humanitarian corridors, halting any new annexation of the West Bank,
and coming back to the negotiating table for a true
two state solution. Starma made it clear if Israel refuses,
(05:46):
UK recognition goes ahead in September. In the meantime, Britain
has quick distressed that Hermas must first hand back all hostages,
agreeing to disarm and play no part in Gaza's future government.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
And will make an assessment in September on how further
parties have met these steps, but no one should have
a veto over our decision.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Canada's conditions are similar. Prime Minister Mark Karney says Canada's
recognition is predicated on the Palestinian authority delivering major reforms,
holding free elections in twenty twenty six, and committing to
a demilitarized future state now. Kari also condemned Israel for
allowing a catastrophe to unfold in Gaza, but repeated that
(06:31):
strong democratic Palestinian governance is non negotiable for recognition.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Canada will increase its efforts in supporting strong democratic governance
in Palestine and the contributions of its people to a
more peaceful and hopeful future.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So what does Israel say about all of this? Well,
the Israeli government has slammed the UK, France and Canada,
declaring their plans a reward for hamask that could undermine
efforts to free hostages and strike a cease fire deal.
State officials say these countries are sending the wrong message
by appearing to legitimize Hamas at a time of ongoing
conflict and immense suffering in Gaza. As For other major
(07:10):
players like the United States, who are a permanent member
of the UN Security Council with veto power, its position
carries extra weight. That's because for Palestinian statehood to gain
full UN membership, approval from the Security Council is required,
and right now the US President has gone on record
echoing Israel's line, warning that these recognition moves amount to
(07:32):
rewarding Hamas. In other words, even if a majority of
country supports statehood, the US can still block it, and
that makes it stance a decisive factor.
Speaker 6 (07:42):
I've not had that camp, to be honest.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
We'll let you know where we are, but I am
not in that camp because if you do that, you
really are rewarding Amas.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
So where does Australia stand. While the Albanizer government says
it supports a two state solution and is open to
recognizing Palestine in the future, it hasn't officially committed, but frontbenchers,
including the Treasurer Jim Chalmers, who appeared on the ABC
this week, were quick to say this.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
I think it's a matter of when, not if, Australia
recognizes a Palestinian state, but I don't want to put
a timeframe on it. It's been a long standing bipartisan
policy that we see a two state solution in that
part of the Middle East. From my point of view,
that progress that is being made, that momentum that we're
seeing in the international community is welcome, but it's also conditional.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Now that's off the back of comments from the Foreign
Minister Pennywong earlier this week that certain conditions would need
to be met before Australia joins the likes of France
and the UK.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
We have to see from us demilitarized, we have to
see the hostages released. We need to see progress in
terms of the Palestinian authority and its moves to more
democratic and accountable governance.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
So the big question remains, will Australia join this new
wave of recognition. To help us break it down, we
are joined by international relations expert doctor Jessica Genauer. Okay,
jess let's start with the UK and Canada. They both
that they'll acknowledge a ptading in state from September. Some
people are calling this an ultimatum. Can you talk us
through what some of those conditions are that both of
(09:18):
these nations have put on their state recognition.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I do think this is really tricky because there's one
thing in the international arena, which is international recognition that
a state exists and has sovereignty, and that's a really
important part of states actually having nationhood. But then there
are the practical logistics, So does that state actually have
(09:42):
a clear territory, do they have a government that has
centralized control over that territory? Are the borders of that
territory also internationally recognized? Now, in practice this can often
be a little bit less clear on the ground. So
like there are states like, for example, Ukraine is currently
in a war with Russia. It has contested borders, but
it's still considered a sovereign state in the international arena.
(10:05):
Syria right now, there are chunks of Syrian territory that
are not under control role of the central government. It's
still considered a state in the international arena. So sometimes
on the ground things can be less clear than in theory.
But when we're looking at recognizing a state of Palestine,
these issues are very unclear. So even if Palestine were
(10:26):
to get full recognition, in the international arena, which basically
means having full membership of the United Nations. It still
wouldn't be clear what is the territory that constitutes the
state of Palestine. And obviously this gets to the very
core of the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians, Israel and Palestine.
(10:47):
What would constitute that territory, who would have control over
that territory, what would be the legitimate borders of that territory,
and how would they be controlled and maintained. So none
of that is clear, and all of those elements would
be fundamental to actually there being in practical terms a
state of Palestine. And the issue with that is that
(11:09):
those issues around territorial control and borders get to the
very heart of the conflict and the very tricky issues
and matters of governance, which would be very hard to
resolve and would take a long time, and would involve
the Palestinian authority, would involve other governance groups within Palestine,
but then also would need some kind of recognition from
(11:31):
Israel as well in order for that to take place
in practice.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
So those three countries have said they'll recognize a Palestine
state from September. Obviously, the UN General Assembly happens in
the September, There'll be a meeting of all of those nations.
What happens if Israel meets their demands before then, if
the humanitarian conditions are lifted, does that mean that this
recognition has been off the table?
Speaker 1 (11:53):
That's right, So apparently according to what some countries said,
So it seems like France would recognize Palestine in any case.
For the UK, it seems like then they might back
down from recognizing a state of Palestine, which would again
be a very strange way to use recognition of statehood
as almost like leverage in negotiations with another country. Canada
(12:13):
might still recognize a state of Palestine, saying that as
long as these conditions on the ground are met, As
you mentioned holding elections, there being some parameters around governance
structures within what would be a state of Palestine.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
So for Canada they might still go ahead.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
But it seems like the UK would back down if
there was a really substantial resolution to the humanitarian crisis
in Gaza.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Just does it feel like a bit of a tall
order to insist that Palestine hold general elections next year
given the current situation on the ground. The images and
the reporting that we're seeing from that area.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
So I think there are a lot of security and
governance issues that have not been resolved if we're talking
about a state of Palestine. So first of all, the
fact that it's just not clear exactly what that territory
would be. I mean, the Gaza Strip is physically separated
from territories of the West Bank, and within the West
Bank there are some areas under Israeli military control, some
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areas under the full control of the Palestinian authority. But
there's no one clear, agreed upon territory that would constitute
the state of Palestine. So I think that would need
to be decided first before you could talk about holding
elections or even talk about governance structures. I mean, in
the past, there's been one governance structure in the Gaza
(13:33):
Strip and a different one in the West Bank, which
was the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas
in Gaza. So even if Hummas is no longer going
to have a place in governance structures, the question still
remains open. Who would control the Gaza Strip, what would
the governance look like? Would elections be appropriate? But first
of all, the territory and the population would need to
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be stabilized and determined.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
So earlier this week kir Starma announced that Britain will
recognize Palestine. Attention then naturally turned towards what we're going
to do here in Australia. We started to get that
line from parliamentarians that it's a question of when and
not if. Do you think that that's still the sentiment
after seeing Canada also joining this move for recognition, that
Australia maybe won't be far behind.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah, So the Australian government has definitely said that they
support ultimately two states.
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Now in order for ultimately.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
There to be two states, a state of Israel the
state of Palestine, at some point a state of Palestine
would need to be recognized.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
That's implicit in that statement.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
So I can see the logic of saying it's a
matter of when, not if, because if ultimately there are
going to be two states, then both states need to
be recognized in the international arena. I think that for
Australia more specifically, what I would see our government doing
is following the lead of our European and North American partners.
(14:54):
So if prominent countries, strong countries in the international arena
like France, the UK and Canada all do go ahead
in September and recognize the state of Palestine, then I
could imagine that Australia might follow suit, but I don't
see US leading on that recognition internationally. I think the
government is trying to be relatively cautious and I think
(15:16):
that if, for example, the UK were to back down
from that, if Canada were to back down, then I
think that Australia probably also would not recognize the state
of Palestine in September.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Are you the friend who's always fifteen minutes early or
always flying in a last second. It turns out this
isn't just about good or bad habits, it's about having
a time personality.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
Now.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
According to new research, most of us fall into one
of two camps. Monochronic types see time like a train schedule, structured,
linear and ticking off one task at a time. Think
like that friend who arrives at nine forty five for
a ten am meeting just in case something goes wrong.
Then there are polychronic types, where time is flexible and
(16:08):
fluid and sometimes a little bit vibe based. They see
deadlines as well guidelines. They believe they can multitask endlessly
and never panic if dinner runs late, and just reading
that makes my little mono heart palpitate. The clash between
monos and pollys can feel personal, but it's really a
difference in wiring, not respect or effort. Some people are hybrids,
(16:32):
part plan are part freestyler, and they kind of like
the unicorns of time management. I guess you would call them. Okay,
So the good news is, once you know your time type,
you can stop trying to fit into someone else's structure
and start working with your natural groove. Next time you're
mad because someone's five minutes away but they're actually still
(16:53):
in the shower, just take a breath. You're on different
time frequencies, whether you live by the clock or by
the sprint. Having a time personality can help you plan,
lower stress, and even communicate better at work, with your
friends or in your family. So go easy on your
polar opposite. They just run on a different schedule. Taking
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your time personality into account, consider how it can be
applied in the office. Don't worry, I promise this isn't homework.
Our friends over on the Bizz podcast have already looked
into this very topic. I will link their episode for
you in the show notes. Thanks for taking some time
to feed your mind today. The Quikie is produced by
me Table Strano and Tali Blackman, with audio production by
(17:37):
Lou Hill
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