May 7, 2025 • 22 mins
Were you smacked as a child? You’re not alone - most Millennials and Gen X were. In fact, corporal punishment in schools wasn't banned until the mid-nineties!
This week, Tegan and Annaliese dive into how they were disciplined as kids and how those experiences have influenced their parenting styles. With gentle parenting all the rage (pun intended), has the over correction from tough love gone too far?
Plus we hear from Sarah Marie Fahd and her very honest approach to “woo woo” parenting.
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Host: Tegan Natoli, Annaliese Todd & Sarah Marie Fahd
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
that this podcast is recorded on Anali's here.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Dropping into your feed with an episode from the archives
where Tigers and I unpacked all of the different styles
of parenting through the ages, from authoritative parenting through the
gentle parenting, attachment parenting, free range of parenting, helicopter parenting.
So many parenting styles. So has the overcorrection of tough
(00:40):
love gone too far? I don't remember it was a
while ago. Let's find out together.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Hello and welcome to this glorious mess. We are embracing
the chaos together, ditching the judgment. I am taking a
tolly baking an egg of rap enthusiast, enthusiast and mother
of three under six.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
And I'm analse Todd sometimes shouted burnt out hot mess
of a single mum to twelve nine year old boys.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Shouty, I love that little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Sometime today on the show, we're talking about discipline, getting
angry and how to communicate all those feelings lots of
just in general or at our kids specifically. We'll find
out a bit of.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Both, maybe and of course our friend Sarah Marie Fart
is back to solve your dilemmas and hear your rants.
But first, here's what's happening in my.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Group chat teaks.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
So, as you know, I recently moved house, which was
the worst thing that have happened to me. But one
of the really sad things was I had to sell
my dining table, which was an unreasonable pregnancy panic purchase.
It was two point nine meters long by one point
eight meters wide.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Did you live in a castle? No, it just had a.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Really big kitchen and dining area and that was the
entire room, and it was the commune table. It's what
we were mosted around. I downsized in house.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
It literally would.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I ended up selling it. And obviously me and my
girlfriends were sharing all our favorite core memories from sitting
around it in the group chat, and two of them
were actually there at the time the guys arrived to
pick up the table. It's going to a family with
five boys, you need that, And I was like, and
that's going to have a much more wholesome life now.
(02:30):
And anyway, as they were carrying it, we did photoshoots
on it. I'll show you that as these two giant
men were lifting out the heaviest table in the world.
We had pizza in the oven for the kids, and
all of a sudden, this smoke was bellowing out of
the oven, and so my girlfriend ran over to the
oven and she brought out the garlic bread. She'd put
it on the element, and the box was on fire.
(02:54):
I got out my phone, obviously a film. I couldn't help.
So then one of the strangers grabbed the garlic bread
because was on fire. My friend was trying to fan
it and she was giving it more oxygen, and he
was like, where's the tap.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I was holding my phone. I was like, it's down
the back couldn't stop anyway.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
So it was the perfect end to the table.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
A great story, this glorious table. So often when I
am in parenting situations, I think about how we were parented,
how times have changed. The eddies were rogue, it was
like in a lot of ways, you know, like car seats,
like you know, what were they back before our day?
(03:36):
But there's so many things that have changed, and so
profoundly I think in terms of how we were parented
compared to how we parent many of which I think
come back to discipline, you know, and like the way
the parenting style I suppose.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
And it's been such a journey because if we look
at the Western world and the history of discipline, it's
so different. You know, you've got your post World War
Two era. It was that very much authoritarian. It was
all about emphasizing discipline. There was not much warmth and
very high expectations. Children dictatory, dictated to see in a
not heard kind of stay. No one stepped out of line.
(04:14):
There was a lot of caning and all the things.
The sixties to seventies it was coined as the permissive
So it was more about emphasizing warmth, more lenient self
expression and individuality, adorning of the age of Aquarius.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
And then if you look at the eighties and nineties,
you've got authoritative. Well, authoritative kind of came back a
little bit in that eighties era.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Everyone went, oh, we've gone too far with the hippies.
Oh god.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
But while emphasizing warmth, connection, boundaries, and explanations. So it's
like I'm putting you in your place, but I'll do
it relatively kindly. I was an eighties nineties child, I suppose, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Same.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Then now our parenting style is apparently conscious parenting, which
it's very broad, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So what it is?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Because you're like, what is that? Basically a parent never
loses one's cool. Oh bullshit, And no, I don't think
that encourages compassion, welcomes emotions, accepts the child as a whole,
capable being, and a child's every act must be seen
through a lens of anxiety and threat detection.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
But then like when does that end? You know how?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Like I pretend I'm postpartum still and it's like six years.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So if I have to see every child's act through
a lens.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Of threat anxiety, like when do you stop using that
as an excuse for adults? Like oh, you know what,
they'd punched me in the face because they were anxious
and they thought I was a threat?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Where is the boundary? Are we raising apes?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Like I'm just imagining like all these rogue children, but
I'm anxious and you were a threat.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I'm like, okay, but where do we draw the line?
And you're I'm from the World War II era.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Shit.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
So smacking is one of those controversial things because obviously
it was very big in the World War II era
and even our generation.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
My parents never s macked me. Oh yeah, I got
the wooden spoon. Wow yeah, wow wow? Like have are
you traumatized? I think I.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Remember my mum breaking a few wooden spoons on my
brother's ass.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Never mind, I think I had more cushion. You know,
he was an athlete, so he just like snapped it off,
and then he would be a.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Little smart as and be like ah, and then you
know what else I think back to now, I remember
once I swore at the babysitter and my dad the
next morning washed my mouth out with soap. I just
find it so funny because while he was doing it,
he's like, are you okay?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I'm like, what the hell do you think? Mate?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You've got a bloody bar of soap in my mouth?
Do you think I ever saw at the babysitter?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Again? I absolutely did not.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
No.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
See, my parents were very their artists. They're creative, so
they're all about self expression. I'd want to go to
Kindy with socks over my sandals, and they'd say she's
expressing herself.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
But the one thing they were really strict on is manners.
Oh and I'm really funny with manners about my kids now,
as well's I'm a stickler for manners and being kind.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I obviously don't hit my kids or whack my kids,
nor does my husband, but I bribe the hell out
of them. So I'm like, if you don't do this,
then I'll have to take that away or you won't
be going there or doing that.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Smacking is one of those awkward things.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Did you know that it's still legal in Australia to
smack your children?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I looked at up how do you regulate that? So
here's here's what it says.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
It is lawful for a parent or a person in
the place of a parent, to use, by way of correction,
any force towards a child in his or her care
that is reasonable in the circumstances, according to exactly So
my I personally don't agree with smacking because how do
we define reasonable?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yes, I also think it's unfair.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
It is assumed that you are much larger and stronger
than a child. But the other issue that I have
with it is if we are teaching our children not
to hit other kids, yes, and then we are hitting
them at home.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Agree.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
If we're hitting a kid, it's because we're frustrated, right,
But why do you think kids.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Hit, yeah, because they're frustrated.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
So if we're like, Okay, I'm going to hit you
because I'm frustrated, but if you hit someone because you're
frustrated exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
There's sixty years of research done by Gershov on corporal punishment,
which is what hitting or spanking children is called. It's
found that it's linked with nine negative outcomes in kids,
including increased rates of aggression, mental health problems, problems in
relationships with parents, and the likelihood of being.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Physically abused, anxiety and threat.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yes, so if we go back, So the other end
of the extreme is the gentle parenting where we don't
lose our cool.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, I obviously do lose my call. I cannot pretend, but.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I must say, what does your losing your call look like?
Because my losing my call is a bit more.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Like crazy lady talking to herself like I don't know why,
bloody bather, Like I do know.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I don't really lose my call at my kids. I
lose my cool. It's still out to the world, but
it's not directed at anyone.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yes, I feel like when mine are fighting at home
and I'm in the middle of something. If I'm on
a work call, or if I'm under pressure and they're
continually fighting, that's when I lose my call at them
and get shouty.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I still do my shout.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
The rule in our house is no lying. I find
lying very triggering, and I say to my kids, you're
not going to get in trouble. I want you to
come to me and tell me, like what happened at school,
the fight that you've been in at school, if you've
said something to another kid. I just don't want you
to lie to me about it. I want you to
be able to come to me. I might be disappointed,
and I might feel really sad that you've behaved that way,
(09:56):
but you're not going to get in trouble for telling
the truth.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, oh, feel worse if you lied to me about it.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
You will get in trouble if you lie to me,
because when they're teenagers, you don't want them to lie
to you, because they're going to start doing the naughty
stuff you want them.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
You want to be the you.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Want to be the mum the kid calls when they're
in trouble, not the one that they don't want them
to find out.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
When they' dying in a field, that's right.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
The one thing that I want to talk about, which
I know you've done your historical research.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
On the matter, so I'm going to ask you school.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
So I remember, my dad tells me lots of stories
about how his teachers used to whip him.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
And in their hands. So when did that become illegal? Okay?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
So corporal punishment, which is what it's considered, that's what
it's called legally, corporal punishment.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
It's got such a gross name, which is not because
my dad was actually in the army and he's the sweetest,
gentlest man ever when he's not washing my mouth out with.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I know you listen, Dad, I'm still traumatized. It's interesting
that it's corporal punishment because it's like their kids, I know, like,
how are we treating them like military sergeants?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
No, you will be shocked by this, Oh my god.
So corporal punishment was banned in government schools in Australia
in nineteen ninety and in non government school so private
schools nineteen ninety five. So we could have been caned,
but I wasn't. No, I'd have a core memory of
that for sure.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Oh my god. But could you imagine like.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
School, imagine period like I thought it was the olden day.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
No, it's no, But imagine if your kid came home
and had like cane marks.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I would be horrified.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Wee bitch about when people like reprimand your child in
a park like please don't touch that. We don't talk
to my kid like that. Imagine if your kids coming
home with cane marks.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
So teez. One thing I wanted to ask you.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I think one of the things that's so tricky in
relationships and parenting is when your conflict or discipline style
differs from your partners.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I think that could be so tricky. Yeah, I definitely agree.
There's two parts to your relationship or your marriage or
whatever is your relationship and then your parenting relationship, and
sometimes that can get very mushy. My husband being eleven
years older than me, I don't know. Yeah, but yeah
he's a bit old school. And like again, I think
you only really know what you know, or I find
(12:24):
that a lot of the people, if they've had a
traumatic upbringing, they either go so.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Far the opposite, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
We're probably being raised very similarly, but he's probably a
bit more old school in like I'm the father, I'm
the boss kind of thing. But he's also the fun
Disney dad, Like he's still the playful one. Our generation
more so wants to do the research and learn more
and do better and you know, understand our kids more
(12:52):
how our parenting affects them. I think I'm probably more
a bit I wouldn't call it woo wu, but I'm
more interested in that, whereas he's just like, I'm just
going to do what I know and what I think.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
You know, I don't know. Maybe that's because I'm like
the default primary care give it to her, So I
invest a bit more, evolve a bit more. Yeah, that's it.
He's like the fun one that drifts in and drifts out.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
But in saying that, I saw this video the other
day that said scientific research proves that children are eight
hundred percent worse for their mum as they are their
dad in terms of behavior. So like, you know, when
you're with your mom, you let out all your emotions
and you might play up, or if something's going on
(13:34):
at school, you know, you take your frustrations out. You know,
it's the one that's closest to your safe place.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Sometimes I'll have to get Jason to intervene for me
after you've asked your kids to do something so many times,
or you know, like the boundaries aren't being heard, or
sometimes I'll need that little bit more of authoritarian and
just be like your mother's asked you to do this,
go and do it now or whatever, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
And I find that hard as a single parent because
I've got no backup.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, so when my kids are doing my heading and
they're just not listening to me, often I'll just pretend
to cry, and I find that that kind of disarms them.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
So yeah, it's like you've broken he look what you've done.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Like, I just can't take I'm trying to work, do
you look what I'm getting really upset.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I know it's probably really bad parenting, but it works.
So you're welcome. We'll pay for them. Worry about the
psychology bills later, all right, So that's what you do
with your kids. What about adults? What about life conflict?
I am you won't be supposed to know a head
on and face if you're a bulldog, aren't you.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I just find not talking about problems so awkward. I'm
the opposite of most people. Like if there's an elephant
in the room and we don't talk about it.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I'm cringing.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, And do you go in like all guns blazing
or are you just like, oh, let's just talk it,
figure it out.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
So one of the silver linings of doing ten years
of marriage counseling. It didn't really work obviously for the marriage,
but it's made me a conflict management resolution expert, and
so I am the queen of When you said this,
it made me feel like this, and so I'm calm,
I'm not like, what are you? But it's like, let's
just talk about it. This happened, this is how I felt.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I can't imagine that you're easily offendable.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
No, if I've done something to you, I want to
know about it. So tell me and I'll be sorry.
But don't be resenting me in the corner. Yeah, okay, yeah,
what about you?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Well, we know I'm a bit of a sensitive Sally.
I used to get more upset by the conflict than
what the conflict is over.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Really, so you don't like conflicts. Conflict?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Oh mate, when Jason and I have a fight, I'm
just mute for a few days.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, I'm like very interesting. Yeah, oh yeah, no, don't
do it now.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I must say, like, especially since I've become a mom,
I'm a lot thicker skinned, and I think especially you
have that lioness I don't know, like if something's threatening
to myself or my kids or my family, I don't
care who you are or what you do. Yeah, I'm
like gonna tell you what's going on. And I actually, yeah,
I don't know. I get a bit fiery lately, I
(16:05):
think because I'm like, don't you mess with me? When
people treat me a way that I would never.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Treat anyone else. I think that's when I get really fiery.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Defa And I think it's hard because you can't have
the same expectations of other people as you do on
yourself and how you treat people, because it will set
you up to be disappointed.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
And I think that's one thing I always trying to
teach my kids is just to always be fair, you know,
and stick up for fair.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
It's not about you.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
That person was wrong and I'm right and what I
think is right or wrong whatever, It's not about that.
It's about if you want it and it's fair, then
you fight for it.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Hiatt Sarah Marie Hey Sarah Marie.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
There's so many ways to teach consequences to children or
to tell them they're in trouble without scaring them. But
sometimes when it's too soft, I wonder if they actually
won't learn anything. Where do you sit when it comes
to tough punishment and we we're parenting.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I'm in between when it comes to punishing my kids
because I.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Feel like they're still young. I've got a baby that.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Doesn't get disciplined because he's a baby, and then I've
got the four year old, and it's more boundaries, So
it's not punishments like if I tell you to put
the iPad away and you argue with me about it,
the iPad's gone. If I say something a few times,
I'm like, listen, I'm going to say it one more time,
and if not, we're going to do this. It's more
just boundary stuff. I don't really have like punishments like
(17:32):
you got to sit in the corner. They're too young
in my opinion to be that harsh and they're not
the type of kids that necessarily need that. But it
might be different for someone else.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
We were brought up very differently where it was like
much stricter, and I think that's where that comes from.
I don't like to be like uber strict in regards
to punishment, but who knows. Man, I don't have teenagers,
so when I get a teenager.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
That opinion may change.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
But like, I'm happy to talk about my kids feelings
and be like, listen, you're frustrated, I understand. Do you
want to talk to me about anything right now? Sometimes
I say that, Or if my little one wants to
come in and he says he's scared or he's had
a big day, I usually will be like, you want
to talk about that? Do you want to have a
little chat?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Like what are your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (18:22):
What have you been up to today? And I do
that kind of conversation. But if my kid is yelling
in my face and hitting me, you're not gonna find
me kneeling down and taking a deep breath and being
like it's okay, let's just take a deep breath, like
it's fine. Like I don't do it with that softness.
I usually will sit down and be like, okay, it's
all right, give him a hug, go breathe in, breathe out.
(18:45):
It's fine. It is fine to be upset. Talk more
like I'm talking to an adult. I don't talk to
adults like this.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I don't mean like this to my husband. I don't
talk like this to my friends.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
I just feel like that's annoying, Like that would annoy
me even as a kid. That would annoy me.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
My mom talked to me like that. Just talk to
them like.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
An nailed fail.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I've got a nail.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Look at you like I didn't really do anything, just
like my nails are always when I like cheat the system.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, their accidental of yes, yes I'm not that something,
got something right. Yes I've nailed it.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Because last year the twins being kindy, you know, the
first time for everything, so you're really prepared, care and
you care. Yeah, this year, third child, it's given. They've
got one hundred days of kindy. So they have to
dress up as like grandmas and grandpa.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I've seen this on socials, but yeah, kids never did this.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, no, I think it's a new thing and it's
really cute. Like last year the twins went as two
little old grandma's and I thought, well, I'm not buying
another roundfit. So this year, Joe when as a little
old grandma.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I loved it.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Oh you know what, I don't think you really had
much option. There was Grandma or your score in a film.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Mate, I'll take the grand market. Yeah, this little wigging
and his perfect a cute little dress. So Tig's mine
is a fail. Sorry to dampen the mood. Whow we
love a fail around here.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I had a really stressful couple of weeks a few
weeks ago, moving house, and I had my moving was fun,
the worst thing that's ever happened, and it was so stressful,
and it just coincided with the week that I had
the kids on the school holidays, so I was working
full time.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I had the kids and they weren't helpful.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Not very I remember, like, my youngest held a pop
plant and he goes, moving is the worst, and I
was like, it was a tiny pop plant too, oh
my god.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
And he probably stood there holding it for twenty minutes,
like pretending he was doing something.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
They weren't that helpful a little bit, but it was
just very stressful. I was on my own and they
were fighting a lot because obviously they were picking up
on the tension, and also moving for them is probably
stressful too, which makes me feel even worse. What I'm
about to say, because they were fighting a lot, I
just was so much snippier. I was at my wits end.
(21:18):
I had no patience and I just yelled at them
so many times.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
And I feel awful about it. Now you're going to
make me cry? Have you said that to them? Yeah?
I did.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
I apologized a lot, and I just explained that it's
just a really stressful thing to go through and it's
a really stressful time. But I just am so worried
that moving them out of there, and it was their
family home, which was probably trauma for them, and now
I've just added trauma by being really yelling about it.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
No, I'm sure they understand that it was a lot,
and look, they'll figure it out because it's which will
be able to pay for because of the reduced rent
from the new house.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
It's going to be more expensive and smaller. Oh, you're
the best.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
And I think you're teaching them a good thing by
having that conversation after, Like, you're allowed to snap it,
You're allowed to get frustrated and then to sit down
and reflect on it with them and say, you know what,
I'm really sorry for snapping it. This is what I
was feeling and I shouldn't have yelled at you like that.
I think they'd take it on more than you think.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I hope. So thanks.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Sorry to finish on such a Debbie down embarrassing. Very okay, well,
thank you for listening.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
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Dropping into your feed with an episode from the archives
where Tigers and I unpacked all of the different styles
of parenting through the ages, from authoritative parenting through the
gentle parenting, attachment parenting, free range of parenting, helicopter parenting.
So many parenting styles. So has the overcorrection of tough
(00:40):
love gone too far? I don't remember it was a
while ago. Let's find out together.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Hello and welcome to this glorious mess. We are embracing
the chaos together, ditching the judgment. I am taking a
tolly baking an egg of rap enthusiast, enthusiast and mother
of three under six.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
And I'm analse Todd sometimes shouted burnt out hot mess
of a single mum to twelve nine year old boys.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Shouty, I love that little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Sometime today on the show, we're talking about discipline, getting
angry and how to communicate all those feelings lots of
just in general or at our kids specifically. We'll find
out a bit of.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Both, maybe and of course our friend Sarah Marie Fart
is back to solve your dilemmas and hear your rants.
But first, here's what's happening in my.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Group chat teaks.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
So, as you know, I recently moved house, which was
the worst thing that have happened to me. But one
of the really sad things was I had to sell
my dining table, which was an unreasonable pregnancy panic purchase.
It was two point nine meters long by one point
eight meters wide.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Did you live in a castle? No, it just had a.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Really big kitchen and dining area and that was the
entire room, and it was the commune table. It's what
we were mosted around. I downsized in house.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
It literally would.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I ended up selling it. And obviously me and my
girlfriends were sharing all our favorite core memories from sitting
around it in the group chat, and two of them
were actually there at the time the guys arrived to
pick up the table. It's going to a family with
five boys, you need that, And I was like, and
that's going to have a much more wholesome life now.
(02:30):
And anyway, as they were carrying it, we did photoshoots
on it. I'll show you that as these two giant
men were lifting out the heaviest table in the world.
We had pizza in the oven for the kids, and
all of a sudden, this smoke was bellowing out of
the oven, and so my girlfriend ran over to the
oven and she brought out the garlic bread. She'd put
it on the element, and the box was on fire.
(02:54):
I got out my phone, obviously a film. I couldn't help.
So then one of the strangers grabbed the garlic bread
because was on fire. My friend was trying to fan
it and she was giving it more oxygen, and he
was like, where's the tap.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
I was holding my phone. I was like, it's down
the back couldn't stop anyway.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
So it was the perfect end to the table.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
A great story, this glorious table. So often when I
am in parenting situations, I think about how we were parented,
how times have changed. The eddies were rogue, it was
like in a lot of ways, you know, like car seats,
like you know, what were they back before our day?
(03:36):
But there's so many things that have changed, and so
profoundly I think in terms of how we were parented
compared to how we parent many of which I think
come back to discipline, you know, and like the way
the parenting style I suppose.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
And it's been such a journey because if we look
at the Western world and the history of discipline, it's
so different. You know, you've got your post World War
Two era. It was that very much authoritarian. It was
all about emphasizing discipline. There was not much warmth and
very high expectations. Children dictatory, dictated to see in a
not heard kind of stay. No one stepped out of line.
(04:14):
There was a lot of caning and all the things.
The sixties to seventies it was coined as the permissive
So it was more about emphasizing warmth, more lenient self
expression and individuality, adorning of the age of Aquarius.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
And then if you look at the eighties and nineties,
you've got authoritative. Well, authoritative kind of came back a
little bit in that eighties era.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Everyone went, oh, we've gone too far with the hippies.
Oh god.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
But while emphasizing warmth, connection, boundaries, and explanations. So it's
like I'm putting you in your place, but I'll do
it relatively kindly. I was an eighties nineties child, I suppose, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Same.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Then now our parenting style is apparently conscious parenting, which
it's very broad, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So what it is?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Because you're like, what is that? Basically a parent never
loses one's cool. Oh bullshit, And no, I don't think
that encourages compassion, welcomes emotions, accepts the child as a whole,
capable being, and a child's every act must be seen
through a lens of anxiety and threat detection.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
But then like when does that end? You know how?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Like I pretend I'm postpartum still and it's like six years.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So if I have to see every child's act through
a lens.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Of threat anxiety, like when do you stop using that
as an excuse for adults? Like oh, you know what,
they'd punched me in the face because they were anxious
and they thought I was a threat?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Where is the boundary? Are we raising apes?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Like I'm just imagining like all these rogue children, but
I'm anxious and you were a threat.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I'm like, okay, but where do we draw the line?
And you're I'm from the World War II era.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Shit.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
So smacking is one of those controversial things because obviously
it was very big in the World War II era
and even our generation.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
My parents never s macked me. Oh yeah, I got
the wooden spoon. Wow yeah, wow wow? Like have are
you traumatized? I think I.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Remember my mum breaking a few wooden spoons on my
brother's ass.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Never mind, I think I had more cushion. You know,
he was an athlete, so he just like snapped it off,
and then he would be a.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Little smart as and be like ah, and then you
know what else I think back to now, I remember
once I swore at the babysitter and my dad the
next morning washed my mouth out with soap. I just
find it so funny because while he was doing it,
he's like, are you okay?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I'm like, what the hell do you think? Mate?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You've got a bloody bar of soap in my mouth?
Do you think I ever saw at the babysitter?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Again? I absolutely did not.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
No.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
See, my parents were very their artists. They're creative, so
they're all about self expression. I'd want to go to
Kindy with socks over my sandals, and they'd say she's
expressing herself.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
But the one thing they were really strict on is manners.
Oh and I'm really funny with manners about my kids now,
as well's I'm a stickler for manners and being kind.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I obviously don't hit my kids or whack my kids,
nor does my husband, but I bribe the hell out
of them. So I'm like, if you don't do this,
then I'll have to take that away or you won't
be going there or doing that.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Smacking is one of those awkward things.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Did you know that it's still legal in Australia to
smack your children?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I looked at up how do you regulate that? So
here's here's what it says.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
It is lawful for a parent or a person in
the place of a parent, to use, by way of correction,
any force towards a child in his or her care
that is reasonable in the circumstances, according to exactly So
my I personally don't agree with smacking because how do
we define reasonable?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yes, I also think it's unfair.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
It is assumed that you are much larger and stronger
than a child. But the other issue that I have
with it is if we are teaching our children not
to hit other kids, yes, and then we are hitting
them at home.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Agree.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
If we're hitting a kid, it's because we're frustrated, right,
But why do you think kids.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Hit, yeah, because they're frustrated.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
So if we're like, Okay, I'm going to hit you
because I'm frustrated, but if you hit someone because you're
frustrated exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
There's sixty years of research done by Gershov on corporal punishment,
which is what hitting or spanking children is called. It's
found that it's linked with nine negative outcomes in kids,
including increased rates of aggression, mental health problems, problems in
relationships with parents, and the likelihood of being.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Physically abused, anxiety and threat.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yes, so if we go back, So the other end
of the extreme is the gentle parenting where we don't
lose our cool.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, I obviously do lose my call. I cannot pretend, but.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I must say, what does your losing your call look like?
Because my losing my call is a bit more.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Like crazy lady talking to herself like I don't know why,
bloody bather, Like I do know.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I don't really lose my call at my kids. I
lose my cool. It's still out to the world, but
it's not directed at anyone.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yes, I feel like when mine are fighting at home
and I'm in the middle of something. If I'm on
a work call, or if I'm under pressure and they're
continually fighting, that's when I lose my call at them
and get shouty.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I still do my shout.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
The rule in our house is no lying. I find
lying very triggering, and I say to my kids, you're
not going to get in trouble. I want you to
come to me and tell me, like what happened at school,
the fight that you've been in at school, if you've
said something to another kid. I just don't want you
to lie to me about it. I want you to
be able to come to me. I might be disappointed,
and I might feel really sad that you've behaved that way,
(09:56):
but you're not going to get in trouble for telling
the truth.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, oh, feel worse if you lied to me about it.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
You will get in trouble if you lie to me,
because when they're teenagers, you don't want them to lie
to you, because they're going to start doing the naughty
stuff you want them.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
You want to be the you.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Want to be the mum the kid calls when they're
in trouble, not the one that they don't want them
to find out.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
When they' dying in a field, that's right.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
The one thing that I want to talk about, which
I know you've done your historical research.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
On the matter, so I'm going to ask you school.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
So I remember, my dad tells me lots of stories
about how his teachers used to whip him.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
And in their hands. So when did that become illegal? Okay?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
So corporal punishment, which is what it's considered, that's what
it's called legally, corporal punishment.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
It's got such a gross name, which is not because
my dad was actually in the army and he's the sweetest,
gentlest man ever when he's not washing my mouth out with.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I know you listen, Dad, I'm still traumatized. It's interesting
that it's corporal punishment because it's like their kids, I know, like,
how are we treating them like military sergeants?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
No, you will be shocked by this, Oh my god.
So corporal punishment was banned in government schools in Australia
in nineteen ninety and in non government school so private
schools nineteen ninety five. So we could have been caned,
but I wasn't. No, I'd have a core memory of
that for sure.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Oh my god. But could you imagine like.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
School, imagine period like I thought it was the olden day.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
No, it's no, But imagine if your kid came home
and had like cane marks.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
I would be horrified.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Wee bitch about when people like reprimand your child in
a park like please don't touch that. We don't talk
to my kid like that. Imagine if your kids coming
home with cane marks.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
So teez. One thing I wanted to ask you.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I think one of the things that's so tricky in
relationships and parenting is when your conflict or discipline style
differs from your partners.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I think that could be so tricky. Yeah, I definitely agree.
There's two parts to your relationship or your marriage or
whatever is your relationship and then your parenting relationship, and
sometimes that can get very mushy. My husband being eleven
years older than me, I don't know. Yeah, but yeah
he's a bit old school. And like again, I think
you only really know what you know, or I find
(12:24):
that a lot of the people, if they've had a
traumatic upbringing, they either go so.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Far the opposite, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
We're probably being raised very similarly, but he's probably a
bit more old school in like I'm the father, I'm
the boss kind of thing. But he's also the fun
Disney dad, Like he's still the playful one. Our generation
more so wants to do the research and learn more
and do better and you know, understand our kids more
(12:52):
how our parenting affects them. I think I'm probably more
a bit I wouldn't call it woo wu, but I'm
more interested in that, whereas he's just like, I'm just
going to do what I know and what I think.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
You know, I don't know. Maybe that's because I'm like
the default primary care give it to her, So I
invest a bit more, evolve a bit more. Yeah, that's it.
He's like the fun one that drifts in and drifts out.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
But in saying that, I saw this video the other
day that said scientific research proves that children are eight
hundred percent worse for their mum as they are their
dad in terms of behavior. So like, you know, when
you're with your mom, you let out all your emotions
and you might play up, or if something's going on
(13:34):
at school, you know, you take your frustrations out. You know,
it's the one that's closest to your safe place.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Sometimes I'll have to get Jason to intervene for me
after you've asked your kids to do something so many times,
or you know, like the boundaries aren't being heard, or
sometimes I'll need that little bit more of authoritarian and
just be like your mother's asked you to do this,
go and do it now or whatever, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
And I find that hard as a single parent because
I've got no backup.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Yeah, so when my kids are doing my heading and
they're just not listening to me, often I'll just pretend
to cry, and I find that that kind of disarms them.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
So yeah, it's like you've broken he look what you've done.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Like, I just can't take I'm trying to work, do
you look what I'm getting really upset.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I know it's probably really bad parenting, but it works.
So you're welcome. We'll pay for them. Worry about the
psychology bills later, all right, So that's what you do
with your kids. What about adults? What about life conflict?
I am you won't be supposed to know a head
on and face if you're a bulldog, aren't you.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
I just find not talking about problems so awkward. I'm
the opposite of most people. Like if there's an elephant
in the room and we don't talk about it.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I'm cringing.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, And do you go in like all guns blazing
or are you just like, oh, let's just talk it,
figure it out.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
So one of the silver linings of doing ten years
of marriage counseling. It didn't really work obviously for the marriage,
but it's made me a conflict management resolution expert, and
so I am the queen of When you said this,
it made me feel like this, and so I'm calm,
I'm not like, what are you? But it's like, let's
just talk about it. This happened, this is how I felt.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I can't imagine that you're easily offendable.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
No, if I've done something to you, I want to
know about it. So tell me and I'll be sorry.
But don't be resenting me in the corner. Yeah, okay, yeah,
what about you?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Well, we know I'm a bit of a sensitive Sally.
I used to get more upset by the conflict than
what the conflict is over.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Really, so you don't like conflicts. Conflict?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Oh mate, when Jason and I have a fight, I'm
just mute for a few days.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, I'm like very interesting. Yeah, oh yeah, no, don't
do it now.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I must say, like, especially since I've become a mom,
I'm a lot thicker skinned, and I think especially you
have that lioness I don't know, like if something's threatening
to myself or my kids or my family, I don't
care who you are or what you do. Yeah, I'm
like gonna tell you what's going on. And I actually, yeah,
I don't know. I get a bit fiery lately, I
(16:05):
think because I'm like, don't you mess with me? When
people treat me a way that I would never.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Treat anyone else. I think that's when I get really fiery.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Defa And I think it's hard because you can't have
the same expectations of other people as you do on
yourself and how you treat people, because it will set
you up to be disappointed.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
And I think that's one thing I always trying to
teach my kids is just to always be fair, you know,
and stick up for fair.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
It's not about you.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
That person was wrong and I'm right and what I
think is right or wrong whatever, It's not about that.
It's about if you want it and it's fair, then
you fight for it.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Hiatt Sarah Marie Hey Sarah Marie.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
There's so many ways to teach consequences to children or
to tell them they're in trouble without scaring them. But
sometimes when it's too soft, I wonder if they actually
won't learn anything. Where do you sit when it comes
to tough punishment and we we're parenting.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I'm in between when it comes to punishing my kids
because I.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Feel like they're still young. I've got a baby that.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Doesn't get disciplined because he's a baby, and then I've
got the four year old, and it's more boundaries, So
it's not punishments like if I tell you to put
the iPad away and you argue with me about it,
the iPad's gone. If I say something a few times,
I'm like, listen, I'm going to say it one more time,
and if not, we're going to do this. It's more
just boundary stuff. I don't really have like punishments like
(17:32):
you got to sit in the corner. They're too young
in my opinion to be that harsh and they're not
the type of kids that necessarily need that. But it
might be different for someone else.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
We were brought up very differently where it was like
much stricter, and I think that's where that comes from.
I don't like to be like uber strict in regards
to punishment, but who knows. Man, I don't have teenagers,
so when I get a teenager.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
That opinion may change.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
But like, I'm happy to talk about my kids feelings
and be like, listen, you're frustrated, I understand. Do you
want to talk to me about anything right now? Sometimes
I say that, Or if my little one wants to
come in and he says he's scared or he's had
a big day, I usually will be like, you want
to talk about that? Do you want to have a
little chat?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Like what are your thoughts?
Speaker 4 (18:22):
What have you been up to today? And I do
that kind of conversation. But if my kid is yelling
in my face and hitting me, you're not gonna find
me kneeling down and taking a deep breath and being
like it's okay, let's just take a deep breath, like
it's fine. Like I don't do it with that softness.
I usually will sit down and be like, okay, it's
all right, give him a hug, go breathe in, breathe out.
(18:45):
It's fine. It is fine to be upset. Talk more
like I'm talking to an adult. I don't talk to
adults like this.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I don't mean like this to my husband. I don't
talk like this to my friends.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
I just feel like that's annoying, Like that would annoy
me even as a kid. That would annoy me.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
My mom talked to me like that. Just talk to
them like.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
An nailed fail.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I've got a nail.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Look at you like I didn't really do anything, just
like my nails are always when I like cheat the system.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, their accidental of yes, yes I'm not that something,
got something right. Yes I've nailed it.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Because last year the twins being kindy, you know, the
first time for everything, so you're really prepared, care and
you care. Yeah, this year, third child, it's given. They've
got one hundred days of kindy. So they have to
dress up as like grandmas and grandpa.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I've seen this on socials, but yeah, kids never did this.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, no, I think it's a new thing and it's
really cute. Like last year the twins went as two
little old grandma's and I thought, well, I'm not buying
another roundfit. So this year, Joe when as a little
old grandma.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I loved it.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Oh you know what, I don't think you really had
much option. There was Grandma or your score in a film.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Mate, I'll take the grand market. Yeah, this little wigging
and his perfect a cute little dress. So Tig's mine
is a fail. Sorry to dampen the mood. Whow we
love a fail around here.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
I had a really stressful couple of weeks a few
weeks ago, moving house, and I had my moving was fun,
the worst thing that's ever happened, and it was so stressful,
and it just coincided with the week that I had
the kids on the school holidays, so I was working
full time.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I had the kids and they weren't helpful.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Not very I remember, like, my youngest held a pop
plant and he goes, moving is the worst, and I
was like, it was a tiny pop plant too, oh
my god.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
And he probably stood there holding it for twenty minutes,
like pretending he was doing something.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
They weren't that helpful a little bit, but it was
just very stressful. I was on my own and they
were fighting a lot because obviously they were picking up
on the tension, and also moving for them is probably
stressful too, which makes me feel even worse. What I'm
about to say, because they were fighting a lot, I
just was so much snippier. I was at my wits end.
(21:18):
I had no patience and I just yelled at them
so many times.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
And I feel awful about it. Now you're going to
make me cry? Have you said that to them? Yeah?
I did.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
I apologized a lot, and I just explained that it's
just a really stressful thing to go through and it's
a really stressful time. But I just am so worried
that moving them out of there, and it was their
family home, which was probably trauma for them, and now
I've just added trauma by being really yelling about it.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
No, I'm sure they understand that it was a lot,
and look, they'll figure it out because it's which will
be able to pay for because of the reduced rent
from the new house.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
It's going to be more expensive and smaller. Oh, you're
the best.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
And I think you're teaching them a good thing by
having that conversation after, Like, you're allowed to snap it,
You're allowed to get frustrated and then to sit down
and reflect on it with them and say, you know what,
I'm really sorry for snapping it. This is what I
was feeling and I shouldn't have yelled at you like that.
I think they'd take it on more than you think.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I hope. So thanks.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Sorry to finish on such a Debbie down embarrassing. Very okay, well,
thank you for listening.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I just want to give you a bit. If you're still.
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Listening, we hope that you enjoyed the episode and we
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I love you and Ali, thank you so
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