May 21, 2025 • 25 mins
Body dissatisfaction is affecting nearly half of young people in Australia, even keeping them from going to school. Scary statistics, so Annaliese and Tegan dig deep to discuss their own struggles with body shame and how comments about food played a significant role in their childhood.
Determined not to pass on the same food trauma or triggering conversations, Annaliese speaks with nutritionist Lyndi Cohen to discover the best language to use with children.
Plus, Sarah Marie offers some relatable advice for dealing with a tricky mother-in-law situation.
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Host: Tegan Natoli, Annaliese Todd & Sarah Marie Fahd
Guest: The Nude Nutritionist, Lyndi Cohen.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
that this podcast is recorded on Hi. It's Annalise here
dropping into your feed with an episode from the archives
that we think you're going to love and if you
missed it, you absolutely must listen because it's all about
undoing toxic nineties diet culture for the next generation. We
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talked about our own sort of body image issues that
we had growing up in the nineties and you know,
some of the problematic things that was around at the time.
We also chatted to a nutritionist, Lindy Cohen, and she
gave the best advice I've ever heard about the language
that we should be using with our kids when it
(00:55):
comes to food and our bodies. So enjoy Hello and
welcome to this glorious mess. We're embracing the chaos together,
ditching the judgment. I'm Analie Todd, a single mum of
two tween boys, and I'm one week into dry July.
(01:18):
Oh thoughts and prayers are welcome. Well. I am taking
to Tolly, a mum of three under six, and I'm
juggling three kids on school holidays with two businesses wish
me luck. Today on the show, we're talking about our
relationship with food. How is it sculpted growing up in
the nineties, which is an interesting that when we grew up, Yes,
(01:41):
But also how's the conversation changed and how can we
make it more positive for our kids' generation?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
And if this is a tough topic for you, we
encourage you to take care while listening.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Plus, we chat to a dietitian who, after being put
on a diet by her mum at age ten, is
challenging diet culture and has helped so many women have
better conversations with their body. As always, we will hear
from our friend Sarah Marie.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
But first, here's.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
What's happening in my group chat. Okay, God be.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Quit before those little shits kind of yeah, please.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
So I am a few years away from turning forty,
but a lot of my friend groups this is the
year of the forties, right, So one of my friends
in the group chat suggested that instead of buying everyone
fortieth presents, we put that money aside for us to
all go on one big trip, like at the end
of the year or.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Next year, have no husbands and children.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I thought this is so great.
Can I still come if I'm not turning forty? And
they're like no, And they're like, okay, I can't wait
to see your friend is joking.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
They were joking.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I'm totally allowed to come. But isn't that a great idea?
Like instead of buying presents for you know, fifteen of
your friends in your group, you put the money aside
so that together you can all go on a nice, great,
amazing trick commune holiday. Yes, and like be bougie for
a week because you know, you don't want all the
little craps that all your friends would buy you, Like
what do you need when you're forty? And I love
(03:00):
girl trips like they are my jams, Like that is
the best birthday man. And you could ever know women
like boughting the Titanic, but no children, you know the
life rights?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yeah, just women, no children.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Well look, I'm gonna avoid that soon by going on
my girls trip. Hi.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
It's Sarah Marie.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Hi, Sarah Marie. I just want to have a bit
of a rant. My mother in law keeps insisting on
serving me huge portions at every family meal. She makes
comments like I just want to be skinny and trust me,
it's not that. To be honest, I just hate being
told what to do and it's causing tension.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Are you feeling like it's bullying you because you're trying
to tell her the servings of food she's cooking that
she's allowed to serve. Or is it bullying you because
there's things outside of the food related area that she's
saying to you. Because if it's food related and it's
about you telling her you don't want her serving up
(03:59):
large portions of food, I think you need to take
it a bit easy because, like I'm an ethnic person,
we always do large servings of food and it's just
kind of a thing we just.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Kind of go, just let him go, just let him go.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
We know the kids aren't going to eat that much,
like you just gonna let it slide. It could be frustrating,
but like whatever they want to do, just let the
grandparents do it. But if she's like taking little goes
at you outside of that, then you need to speak
with your partner. It's your mother in law, it's not don't.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Speak to her directly about it.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Get your partner involved to speak to their mum about
the situation. If you need them to kind of bring
something to their attention or like interrupt pick your battles.
You really have to pick your battles when you want
to put up a boundary. A lot of people make
the mistake or feeling like they can put the boundary
up and talk directly to their mother in law about
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what the issue is. It's not your mum. It might
come off rude, it might come off arrogant, you might
come off unappreciative. It's a very delicate topic. I personally
would never go up to my mother in law and
tell her I have a problem with it. I don't
have a problem with her, but I would never do that,
Like I would expect my husband to be the buffer
(05:09):
or just say something politely to her. I've had friends
who have said something to the mother in laone and
it's never ended quite well. And then they're like, oh,
now I fought with my mother in law. I said this.
I said that, I'm like it could have avoided all
of those issues by just not speaking to her about
it directly and keeping the peace. You got to try
and keep the peace. When you marry your partner, you
marry your in laws, right, So it's a tricky area.
(05:32):
I think it also depends on how she's saying it to.
You might also be taking your mother in law in
the wrong way. She might just be saying a comment
like a joke, or it might be something that you
are personally a little sensitive to because of AB or
C reasons, which is totally fine. You have every right
to be sensitive about any issue that you want to
be I would maybe just start wording it around like.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Oh, there's always lots of food that's.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Great, I won't be able to eat it. Can we
take it home? But turn a negative into a positive.
Take the foon home means you don't have to cook.
Don't cook, just go great, I.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Love the food, serve me more.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I'll pack it home.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
So Tig's new research from the Butterfly Foundation says that
almost half of ossie kids sometimes don't want to attend
school due to body dissatisfaction. Half half, which is just
whoa Isabella Ross from Mum and MEA actually did an
article about this a couple of weeks ago, and will
pop a link in the show notes to have a read.
(06:32):
But growing up in the nineties, we thought that was
a bad time to have a bad relationship. With food
and body image. Yeah, like there was so many conflicting
ideas and a.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Special k lady with a thing.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Do you think it was bad or do you think
it's always been like that? But we were just in
that vulnerable age. I definitely think it's worse. I was
trying to have a think and I was reflecting, like,
what was my first core memory when I felt shame
or bad about my body? And it popped into my head?
I would have been near two.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
So what's that like? Seven?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Which is a baby? Yeah, an absolute baby. And we
were in primary school. They pulled us up into the
hall like cattle and they got us one by one
to jump on scales. Oh, and then they called out
our weight to record it. And to you at that age,
was being heavier bad? Well, it was the first time
(07:25):
that I consciously thought I'm heavier than other girls.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, why, and that's bad.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I remember this. They used to come and you do
the jump test and you'd have to hit those sticks
and see how high you could jump and do the
beep test. Was that part of that was? I think
that was like our old school version of the fitness test. Yeah,
I think they were tracking weight for fitness reasons. I
maybe they're calling it out, yeah, like the biggest loser.
Shouldn't it be like it doesn't matter what you weigh,
(07:51):
you were wonderful. Yeah, but they didn't have some nurturing
conversation beforehand and explain that, you know, some people have
heavier bones, and yeah, all bodies are different shapes and sizes.
I think I was so sheltered by always being like
my nickname in primary school was the BFG because I
was the big friendly giant, like I was this tall
in year five, like I was so so tall. I
(08:12):
think I always was shielded by being a little bit plump,
by the fact, oh, she's just very tall, you.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
My mom and dad would always avoid my complex by being, yes,
you're big bone because you're very tall. So I don't
have memories like that.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
No.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I definitely was called fat by boys in primary school
and high school. And I look back at photos now
and I was gorgeous, Like I just wasn't a skinny kid.
I was healthy, but I wasn't skinny, and so because
I wasn't skinny, I was called fat, which is absolutely
so crazy, And you know what, I have to stop
myself from doing. I look at my kids physiques and
(08:50):
like it was the polar opposite to what I was
when I was young, Like they're very long and lean,
but I was long, but I was not so lean.
But I have to stop myself from like admiring my
daughters and my son's little physiques because I'm like, no, no,
it doesn't matter, like it's what I would have been
admiring them regardless. It's it's just so bizarre. Is it
(09:11):
the same shit a generation later? I don't know. Well,
I definitely think the way that we spoke about food,
it was junk food, bad food. We had those pyramids, yes,
the five food group, Yeah, what you should be doing
having more of unless don't they still have that.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
I don't know if they show that to kids.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
But also, you know the fat free era, Yes, with
the fat free yogurt and.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Carb free Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
But it's like we now know that good fats are
actually good for Yes, yes, So that doesn't mean our
kids being taught that. I don't even know what our
kids are being fed at the moment, pardon the pun.
What I'm really excited about is later in the show,
we're actually going to talk to a nutritionist and she's
going to give us some actual examples of how we
should be talking about food. Yes, that's what we need
(09:51):
with a positive impact. I reckon, I'm doing it all wrong.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Generations of trauma, intergenerational trauma.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
You know, my grandfather used to be like, oh, you
put on weight, but he'd follow that up with you
look good because to their generation, having a bit of
beef on you was like a good thing because they
were raised in a femine I thought you were saying,
like a feminist and all those little comments like by
well meaning strangers and relatives like oh, she's been raised
(10:19):
in a good paddock. They have no field time. I
think for me, like, my family was never very food orientated,
and then marrying into an Italian family is like that
on steroids. It's like munda, you just eat, eat, eat,
Like they'll see my kids and be like, oh, you know,
they need to eat more, and I'm like, they eat,
(10:39):
they just lean. You know. Croatian culture is exactly the same,
and it's like food is love, and so the more
of the food that you eat that they prepare for you,
the more love that they are injecting into you. And
so that was very much my experience of growing up.
It was always beautiful, healthy, nutritious food. But I just
really loved food and I ate a lot of it.
(11:00):
Just with those sort of pivotal experiences, I've always had
a complex relationship with food since, and it would vary
from culture to culture and how you're brought what the
narrative of food is in your home. Coming up, we
are talking to one of Australia's leading nutritionists who's going
to help us start positive conversations about food because I
want to know how we should be talking about food
(11:23):
with our kids. Yes, practical examples, Yes, I need them.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Give me the script.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Lindy Cohen is one of Australia's leading dietitians known as
the Nude Nutritionist. She's a best selling author, host of
the No Wellness Wankery podcast, great title and mentor for
those with binge and emotional eating. Lindy challenges diet culture
and our warped beauty standards and provides practical strategies to
(11:53):
help people overcome their disordered eating. And she joins me, now, so, Lindy,
you grew up in what you describe as a diet family.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I did, and I feel like that's quite common back
in the nineties when I was growing up, it was
quite common to have your mum be on some kind
of diet and she was always trying out, what you know,
certain things. It was a way that we could connect,
and I hear from so many clients a very similar
situation where they went to weight watches with their mom
and they went to these meetings and it was something
(12:22):
that they had in common. And for many, many years,
this was a conversation my mom and I could keep
coming back to until it got to the point, you know,
ten years later down the track, I realized that dieting
had totally messed me up. It had basically taken me
from a kid who had a normal, healthy BMI and
I was now twenty kilograms heavier and hated my body.
(12:43):
That was the kind of key to it. I felt
absolutely crazy around food, and I realized the very things
that I had been taught growing up, which were very
well intentionally passed down to me, were the things that
really screwed me up around food. I have to say,
my mom is excellent. She was doing what she was
taught growing up. So it's what her mom did to her,
(13:04):
and it's what her mom did to her. So I
just feel like we've been passing down disordered eating from
generation to generation, from mother to mother, and I think
it keeps women small. And this is why it wasn't
something that was affecting my brothers, because from the time
I was young, I was taught the most impressive thing
I could be was thin. You know, when we look
at statistics, we know that weight stigma does impact people negatively,
So it's not like my parents were wrong on this fact.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
One of the things that you share on Instagram is
around binge eating. What is binge eating? How does it manifest?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
You gasp for air if you've been holding your breath,
and you binge on food if you've been restricting. I
was put on a diet from the age of eleven,
given a meal plan, told it was a healthy eating plan.
Yet I was told to weigh out my food, to
count all my calories, to go for regular way ins,
and I became obsessed with how much I was eating
and how much I weighed, and all the while was congratulated,
(13:56):
You're such a good girl, well done, You're following the rules.
And what this led to was it caused my brain
to flick into a survival mode, a starvation switch. And
if you've ever woken up and go I feel so
ravenously hungry and I can't be satisfied. I feel out
of control around food. I feel like I'm starting and
you diet every single Monday. It feels like I know
(14:16):
exactly what I should be doing, but I can't stick
to it. Then you might have some degree of understanding
binge eating. And typically what we see with binge eating,
what I experienced is you try and counteract the binge
by underreating, and all you do is you trigger a
more intense binge to come afterwards. At the peak of
my binge eating, I was binge eating multiple times a day,
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and if left untreated, binge eating actually gets worse. And
my huge gripe is most healthy eating advice, and I
put those inverted commas is actually just eating this sort
of advice because it's teaching us all how to become
binge eaters. It's triggering us into the starvation.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Starvation and then binge, and it's a vicious cycle.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Your body's got a whole bunch of levers it can
pull to slow down your metabolism, to increase your hunger,
to reduce how satisfied you feel by food. So if
you feel like you know, other people go, oh, I
eat this cake, it feels really rich, and you just
don't even know what that feeling feels like, then the
chances are you are in that starvation mode and you've
got to help your body trust that food is plentiful,
that it's always allowed. That's kind of where in cheitive
(15:15):
eating comes in, and that way we can turn off
that trigger and you don't have to always be a binge.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Eta reverse that process and just get back to a
place of listening to your bodies needs and what it
feels like it needs is probably what it needs. It's like,
if you look at a big steak, you're probably like, oh,
I need some iron, Like I might eat that now.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, And we are raising the next generation, So the
question is how do we not pass down disordered eating
to the next generation When yes, our parents did the
best with what they were given, and now we've got
a new set of rules. And in a way, it's
kind of like a great social experiment with a first
generation of parents going Okay, we think we can teach
kids about healthy eating without scaring them, without making them
(15:53):
feel shame, without making them hate their body. But our
food supply is completely altered from before when people used
to do intuitive eating. So we are trying out new
things and experimenting. And I see with my kids. I've
got two kids. Every time I get a little moment
of truth going okay, it is working in my family.
And my son doesn't finish a piece of cake because
he's like, I know I can have more later, Like
I don't need to stress about it. I go, okay,
(16:15):
I see how this is working.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Looking at those things, like there's sayings that we should avoid,
So do you really need seconds? Should you be eating that?
Even calling it junk food or bad food? I noticed
before you said you were being good. And I remember
when my kids really little, it was like sometimes food
is it still sometimes? Like what should we be calling
food that contains high amounts of sugars and fats.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I think this idea of trying to go more towards
as sometimes or occasional food, I think it's more on
the right track. But to be honest, it's not really
a word I'm often using with my kids. Also, I'm
not referring to food being healthy. I'll give you an example.
So this is an exercise. Example, when I talk about exercise,
the one message I want my kids to know is
exercise makes us happy.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I just want to repeat that phrase. I want them
to associate that when I'm having a tricky time, exercise
is a coping strategy. It's something that I can do
to beuate myself feel better. Plus there'll be all these
other side benefits, but I don't need to go down
on all these hectic side benefits. Is just something that
makes me happy. I notice how I didn't say healthy,
it's happy, which is like an easy thing to associate
for a kid. Now, when we talk about food, my
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son had a situation where he went to his niece's
birthday party. I didn't try and curb what he was eating.
Is it a birthday party? He ate whatever he wanted,
and he felt really sick afterwards, and he actually vomited.
And you might think I would be irresponsible to go
wide and I curb him and change how I was eating.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
But no, that's learning consequences.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
His body has an inbuilt mechanism for helping him eat healthily.
He has now learned such an important lesson, and he
has not stopped talking about the fact if I eat
too much cake, if I eat too many lollies, I
don't feel good. I feel sick. I'm trying to build
up his internal feedback loop by giving him these experiences
and talking him through what that feels like. So more
(18:00):
than anything, I think what we talk about is how
food makes us feel. And there is a kind of
a frequency conversation where I might say something like, you know,
cake is delicio and it's really fun, but if we
ate it all the time and not make us feel
so good.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
See, I think my kids could eat a whole jar
of lollies and potentially not feel sick like I feel
like they could do that. I try and say that's
not great for your teeth. Is that okay?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Let's say your kid has lollies and they go, I
want more lollies. You're allowed to say there's no more
lollies on the menu. You don't need to come at
it with a justification it's bad for you here, we
need to avoid it. You don't need to come in
with any explanation. You're allowed to just to say there's
no more lollies on the menu.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
So we're just pivoting to how things make us feel.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, because we're developing that internal feedback loop. The advice here,
any good health professional will tell you is what feels
good for you. You know, if you tell me you
can fast intermittently for the rest of your life, I go, great,
that's cool. That sounds like a lifestyle. Majority of people
can't do that. But what our job is to go
is how do I feel on different foods, and to
tune out of all the diet noise and tune into
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what our body is constantly trying to teach us and
teaching our kids to do that self regularly. I think
that's a lifelong gift.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
So we've talked about food and how it makes us feel.
What about comments around our physical appearance or our children's
physical appearance, you know, beauty or any sort of compliments
about physicality.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, I mean, and you know what, we live in
a world where being beautiful does get you places. And
your kids are going to watch Disney characters and they're
going to realize from a very young age that being beautiful,
being thin, that these are admirable traits in the society
that we live in. And I don't think we can
fake it and say to them, oh, no, being beautiful
is not important, and it doesn't really matter because I
think at some point they're going to reach an age
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when they go she's lying, and then they kind of
question everything we're saying to them, going, oh, I don't
really trust her when she tells me I'm beautiful or whatever.
I'd say. If your child comes up to you and
says my beautiful, you say, of course you're beautiful, but
it's the least interesting thing about you. And it's the
but least interesting thing that makes all the difference, and
then you go into all the things you think are
(20:08):
far more interesting. So, yes, it's one thing you have,
but really, in the plethora of your skill sets, it
doesn't match up to everything else that you've got going.
You're kind, you're loving, you're generous, you're.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Empathetic, clever and funny.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, clever and funny and imaginative. So go into that
a little bit, but don't lie to them and tell
them that it's not important, because I think they'll pick
up on that. Can I tell you? So we got
to a point once I quit dieting and I had
conversation with my mom. You know what my mom said,
I'm so sorry that I said these things. I didn't
realize I was really trying to help you, and I
(20:41):
thought I was doing the best. Do you know how
healing that was to have that conversation for my mom
to go. I'm just working it out as well. I'm
just a girl growing up as well as all of
us moms are, and I think anytime we're messing up
as a parent, I think there's always room for that
apology and it's always healing no matter the age.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Lindy, I feel like this has been a lifelong gift
of a conversation. Do you've just retrained my brain? So
thank you?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Oh my pleasure, good luck.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Get the tool, my tool.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Let's get something from the tool kit.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
And to wrap up, we're reaching into the talk kit
to bring some positive ideas to help you get through
the day.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
What is the talk it takes?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Oh, look, I know we're on school holidays now, but
my school mornings were becoming so tedious, especially towards the
end of term. You know, it's like, oh for me,
I don't know if your boys are different because they're
a little bit older, Like do they get themselves ready?
And shit? Yes, oh god, seems like a lifetime away
from me. They help with the lunch boxes. They do
their own breakfast everything. Yeah, my kids are coming, just
(21:54):
faf about. I'll be like, stop faffing about, and I'll
be like what this fath me?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
And I'm like, I don't care.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
To tell you, Like, just get dressed. Like, if I
have to repeat myself another time, I'm going to implode,
explode all of the plodes. So I've started doing as
much as like the night before, which i know is
not revolutionary. I know a lot of people do that,
but usually the night before, I mean just as much
of a fath as I am the morning of. I'm
doing as much of the lunches as I can. I'm
(22:22):
getting the uniforms ready so that I'm like they're just there,
all you got to do is put them on. I
do believe that there is something in that getting ready
the night before, because for some reason, the morning it
takes a thousand times longer. Yes, and you've got three
kids on three different moods as well, Like I've got
one that's woken up at six like ready to face
the day, and then I've got one who's like, you've
(22:42):
got to wake up at seven point thirty. And then
they're in a hurry, and then you've got one that's
like rolled out of bed and in a mood, so
prep the night. Can I just move out? You can
move in with me? Can I send them to boarding school?
Speaker 3 (22:54):
I just come living me?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Oh yeah, that would be good. And then I'll get
your boys to get my kids ready for school.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
The commune dream you're preaching to the choir here, I
love that.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
What's in your talkkit?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
So my talkit today?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
You know, we were talking about growing up in the
nineties and having those experiences as kids where we have.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Those core memories.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I thought it would be nice to have a little
conversation with my little self, almost like a positive redirection
and self correction. And what I would say to that
little annalise at the time, And so this is what
I would say to little Anels. Every Body is different,
we aren't all the same. And your little body is
healthy and strong, and as that little body grows and develops,
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it will be.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Curvy and sexy.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
And not that the male gaze matters at all, but
you won't have any trouble in that. She's excited and
Aalisea's killing it.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, little Anela's you're not killing it yet. But you will.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
You will give it time, and one day those child
bearing hips will house two rather large, healthy babies who
will just happen to be the best things that ever
happened to you. And so, just like the Gruveramada song says,
if everybody looked the same, we'd get tired of looking
at each other. You are perfect, as Mark Darcy says
(24:15):
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we had growing up in the nineties and you know,
some of the problematic things that was around at the time.
We also chatted to a nutritionist, Lindy Cohen, and she
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that we should be using with our kids when it
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Oh thoughts and prayers are welcome. Well. I am taking
to Tolly, a mum of three under six, and I'm
juggling three kids on school holidays with two businesses wish
me luck. Today on the show, we're talking about our
relationship with food. How is it sculpted growing up in
the nineties, which is an interesting that when we grew up, Yes,
(01:41):
But also how's the conversation changed and how can we
make it more positive for our kids' generation?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
And if this is a tough topic for you, we
encourage you to take care while listening.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Plus, we chat to a dietitian who, after being put
on a diet by her mum at age ten, is
challenging diet culture and has helped so many women have
better conversations with their body. As always, we will hear
from our friend Sarah Marie.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
But first, here's.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
What's happening in my group chat. Okay, God be.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Quit before those little shits kind of yeah, please.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
So I am a few years away from turning forty,
but a lot of my friend groups this is the
year of the forties, right, So one of my friends
in the group chat suggested that instead of buying everyone
fortieth presents, we put that money aside for us to
all go on one big trip, like at the end
of the year or.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Next year, have no husbands and children.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I thought this is so great.
Can I still come if I'm not turning forty? And
they're like no, And they're like, okay, I can't wait
to see your friend is joking.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
They were joking.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I'm totally allowed to come. But isn't that a great idea?
Like instead of buying presents for you know, fifteen of
your friends in your group, you put the money aside
so that together you can all go on a nice, great,
amazing trick commune holiday. Yes, and like be bougie for
a week because you know, you don't want all the
little craps that all your friends would buy you, Like
what do you need when you're forty? And I love
(03:00):
girl trips like they are my jams, Like that is
the best birthday man. And you could ever know women
like boughting the Titanic, but no children, you know the
life rights?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Yeah, just women, no children.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Well look, I'm gonna avoid that soon by going on
my girls trip. Hi.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
It's Sarah Marie.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Hi, Sarah Marie. I just want to have a bit
of a rant. My mother in law keeps insisting on
serving me huge portions at every family meal. She makes
comments like I just want to be skinny and trust me,
it's not that. To be honest, I just hate being
told what to do and it's causing tension.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Are you feeling like it's bullying you because you're trying
to tell her the servings of food she's cooking that
she's allowed to serve. Or is it bullying you because
there's things outside of the food related area that she's
saying to you. Because if it's food related and it's
about you telling her you don't want her serving up
(03:59):
large portions of food, I think you need to take
it a bit easy because, like I'm an ethnic person,
we always do large servings of food and it's just
kind of a thing we just.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Kind of go, just let him go, just let him go.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
We know the kids aren't going to eat that much,
like you just gonna let it slide. It could be frustrating,
but like whatever they want to do, just let the
grandparents do it. But if she's like taking little goes
at you outside of that, then you need to speak
with your partner. It's your mother in law, it's not don't.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Speak to her directly about it.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Get your partner involved to speak to their mum about
the situation. If you need them to kind of bring
something to their attention or like interrupt pick your battles.
You really have to pick your battles when you want
to put up a boundary. A lot of people make
the mistake or feeling like they can put the boundary
up and talk directly to their mother in law about
(04:48):
what the issue is. It's not your mum. It might
come off rude, it might come off arrogant, you might
come off unappreciative. It's a very delicate topic. I personally
would never go up to my mother in law and
tell her I have a problem with it. I don't
have a problem with her, but I would never do that,
Like I would expect my husband to be the buffer
(05:09):
or just say something politely to her. I've had friends
who have said something to the mother in laone and
it's never ended quite well. And then they're like, oh,
now I fought with my mother in law. I said this.
I said that, I'm like it could have avoided all
of those issues by just not speaking to her about
it directly and keeping the peace. You got to try
and keep the peace. When you marry your partner, you
marry your in laws, right, So it's a tricky area.
(05:32):
I think it also depends on how she's saying it to.
You might also be taking your mother in law in
the wrong way. She might just be saying a comment
like a joke, or it might be something that you
are personally a little sensitive to because of AB or
C reasons, which is totally fine. You have every right
to be sensitive about any issue that you want to
be I would maybe just start wording it around like.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Oh, there's always lots of food that's.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Great, I won't be able to eat it. Can we
take it home? But turn a negative into a positive.
Take the foon home means you don't have to cook.
Don't cook, just go great, I.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Love the food, serve me more.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I'll pack it home.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
So Tig's new research from the Butterfly Foundation says that
almost half of ossie kids sometimes don't want to attend
school due to body dissatisfaction. Half half, which is just
whoa Isabella Ross from Mum and MEA actually did an
article about this a couple of weeks ago, and will
pop a link in the show notes to have a read.
(06:32):
But growing up in the nineties, we thought that was
a bad time to have a bad relationship. With food
and body image. Yeah, like there was so many conflicting
ideas and a.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Special k lady with a thing.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Do you think it was bad or do you think
it's always been like that? But we were just in
that vulnerable age. I definitely think it's worse. I was
trying to have a think and I was reflecting, like,
what was my first core memory when I felt shame
or bad about my body? And it popped into my head?
I would have been near two.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
So what's that like? Seven?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Which is a baby? Yeah, an absolute baby. And we
were in primary school. They pulled us up into the
hall like cattle and they got us one by one
to jump on scales. Oh, and then they called out
our weight to record it. And to you at that age,
was being heavier bad? Well, it was the first time
(07:25):
that I consciously thought I'm heavier than other girls.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, why, and that's bad.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I remember this. They used to come and you do
the jump test and you'd have to hit those sticks
and see how high you could jump and do the
beep test. Was that part of that was? I think
that was like our old school version of the fitness test. Yeah,
I think they were tracking weight for fitness reasons. I
maybe they're calling it out, yeah, like the biggest loser.
Shouldn't it be like it doesn't matter what you weigh,
(07:51):
you were wonderful. Yeah, but they didn't have some nurturing
conversation beforehand and explain that, you know, some people have
heavier bones, and yeah, all bodies are different shapes and sizes.
I think I was so sheltered by always being like
my nickname in primary school was the BFG because I
was the big friendly giant, like I was this tall
in year five, like I was so so tall. I
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think I always was shielded by being a little bit plump,
by the fact, oh, she's just very tall, you.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
My mom and dad would always avoid my complex by being, yes,
you're big bone because you're very tall. So I don't
have memories like that.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
No.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
I definitely was called fat by boys in primary school
and high school. And I look back at photos now
and I was gorgeous, Like I just wasn't a skinny kid.
I was healthy, but I wasn't skinny, and so because
I wasn't skinny, I was called fat, which is absolutely
so crazy, And you know what, I have to stop
myself from doing. I look at my kids physiques and
(08:50):
like it was the polar opposite to what I was
when I was young, Like they're very long and lean,
but I was long, but I was not so lean.
But I have to stop myself from like admiring my
daughters and my son's little physiques because I'm like, no, no,
it doesn't matter, like it's what I would have been
admiring them regardless. It's it's just so bizarre. Is it
(09:11):
the same shit a generation later? I don't know. Well,
I definitely think the way that we spoke about food,
it was junk food, bad food. We had those pyramids, yes,
the five food group, Yeah, what you should be doing
having more of unless don't they still have that.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
I don't know if they show that to kids.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
But also, you know the fat free era, Yes, with
the fat free yogurt and.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Carb free Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
But it's like we now know that good fats are
actually good for Yes, yes, So that doesn't mean our
kids being taught that. I don't even know what our
kids are being fed at the moment, pardon the pun.
What I'm really excited about is later in the show,
we're actually going to talk to a nutritionist and she's
going to give us some actual examples of how we
should be talking about food. Yes, that's what we need
(09:51):
with a positive impact. I reckon, I'm doing it all wrong.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Generations of trauma, intergenerational trauma.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
You know, my grandfather used to be like, oh, you
put on weight, but he'd follow that up with you
look good because to their generation, having a bit of
beef on you was like a good thing because they
were raised in a femine I thought you were saying,
like a feminist and all those little comments like by
well meaning strangers and relatives like oh, she's been raised
(10:19):
in a good paddock. They have no field time. I
think for me, like, my family was never very food orientated,
and then marrying into an Italian family is like that
on steroids. It's like munda, you just eat, eat, eat,
Like they'll see my kids and be like, oh, you know,
they need to eat more, and I'm like, they eat,
(10:39):
they just lean. You know. Croatian culture is exactly the same,
and it's like food is love, and so the more
of the food that you eat that they prepare for you,
the more love that they are injecting into you. And
so that was very much my experience of growing up.
It was always beautiful, healthy, nutritious food. But I just
really loved food and I ate a lot of it.
(11:00):
Just with those sort of pivotal experiences, I've always had
a complex relationship with food since, and it would vary
from culture to culture and how you're brought what the
narrative of food is in your home. Coming up, we
are talking to one of Australia's leading nutritionists who's going
to help us start positive conversations about food because I
want to know how we should be talking about food
(11:23):
with our kids. Yes, practical examples, Yes, I need them.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Give me the script.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Lindy Cohen is one of Australia's leading dietitians known as
the Nude Nutritionist. She's a best selling author, host of
the No Wellness Wankery podcast, great title and mentor for
those with binge and emotional eating. Lindy challenges diet culture
and our warped beauty standards and provides practical strategies to
(11:53):
help people overcome their disordered eating. And she joins me, now, so, Lindy,
you grew up in what you describe as a diet family.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I did, and I feel like that's quite common back
in the nineties when I was growing up, it was
quite common to have your mum be on some kind
of diet and she was always trying out, what you know,
certain things. It was a way that we could connect,
and I hear from so many clients a very similar
situation where they went to weight watches with their mom
and they went to these meetings and it was something
(12:22):
that they had in common. And for many, many years,
this was a conversation my mom and I could keep
coming back to until it got to the point, you know,
ten years later down the track, I realized that dieting
had totally messed me up. It had basically taken me
from a kid who had a normal, healthy BMI and
I was now twenty kilograms heavier and hated my body.
(12:43):
That was the kind of key to it. I felt
absolutely crazy around food, and I realized the very things
that I had been taught growing up, which were very
well intentionally passed down to me, were the things that
really screwed me up around food. I have to say,
my mom is excellent. She was doing what she was
taught growing up. So it's what her mom did to her,
(13:04):
and it's what her mom did to her. So I
just feel like we've been passing down disordered eating from
generation to generation, from mother to mother, and I think
it keeps women small. And this is why it wasn't
something that was affecting my brothers, because from the time
I was young, I was taught the most impressive thing
I could be was thin. You know, when we look
at statistics, we know that weight stigma does impact people negatively,
So it's not like my parents were wrong on this fact.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
One of the things that you share on Instagram is
around binge eating. What is binge eating? How does it manifest?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
You gasp for air if you've been holding your breath,
and you binge on food if you've been restricting. I
was put on a diet from the age of eleven,
given a meal plan, told it was a healthy eating plan.
Yet I was told to weigh out my food, to
count all my calories, to go for regular way ins,
and I became obsessed with how much I was eating
and how much I weighed, and all the while was congratulated,
(13:56):
You're such a good girl, well done, You're following the rules.
And what this led to was it caused my brain
to flick into a survival mode, a starvation switch. And
if you've ever woken up and go I feel so
ravenously hungry and I can't be satisfied. I feel out
of control around food. I feel like I'm starting and
you diet every single Monday. It feels like I know
(14:16):
exactly what I should be doing, but I can't stick
to it. Then you might have some degree of understanding
binge eating. And typically what we see with binge eating,
what I experienced is you try and counteract the binge
by underreating, and all you do is you trigger a
more intense binge to come afterwards. At the peak of
my binge eating, I was binge eating multiple times a day,
(14:36):
and if left untreated, binge eating actually gets worse. And
my huge gripe is most healthy eating advice, and I
put those inverted commas is actually just eating this sort
of advice because it's teaching us all how to become
binge eaters. It's triggering us into the starvation.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Starvation and then binge, and it's a vicious cycle.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Your body's got a whole bunch of levers it can
pull to slow down your metabolism, to increase your hunger,
to reduce how satisfied you feel by food. So if
you feel like you know, other people go, oh, I
eat this cake, it feels really rich, and you just
don't even know what that feeling feels like, then the
chances are you are in that starvation mode and you've
got to help your body trust that food is plentiful,
that it's always allowed. That's kind of where in cheitive
(15:15):
eating comes in, and that way we can turn off
that trigger and you don't have to always be a binge.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Eta reverse that process and just get back to a
place of listening to your bodies needs and what it
feels like it needs is probably what it needs. It's like,
if you look at a big steak, you're probably like, oh,
I need some iron, Like I might eat that now.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Yeah, And we are raising the next generation, So the
question is how do we not pass down disordered eating
to the next generation When yes, our parents did the
best with what they were given, and now we've got
a new set of rules. And in a way, it's
kind of like a great social experiment with a first
generation of parents going Okay, we think we can teach
kids about healthy eating without scaring them, without making them
(15:53):
feel shame, without making them hate their body. But our
food supply is completely altered from before when people used
to do intuitive eating. So we are trying out new
things and experimenting. And I see with my kids. I've
got two kids. Every time I get a little moment
of truth going okay, it is working in my family.
And my son doesn't finish a piece of cake because
he's like, I know I can have more later, Like
I don't need to stress about it. I go, okay,
(16:15):
I see how this is working.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Looking at those things, like there's sayings that we should avoid,
So do you really need seconds? Should you be eating that?
Even calling it junk food or bad food? I noticed
before you said you were being good. And I remember
when my kids really little, it was like sometimes food
is it still sometimes? Like what should we be calling
food that contains high amounts of sugars and fats.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I think this idea of trying to go more towards
as sometimes or occasional food, I think it's more on
the right track. But to be honest, it's not really
a word I'm often using with my kids. Also, I'm
not referring to food being healthy. I'll give you an example.
So this is an exercise. Example, when I talk about exercise,
the one message I want my kids to know is
exercise makes us happy.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I just want to repeat that phrase. I want them
to associate that when I'm having a tricky time, exercise
is a coping strategy. It's something that I can do
to beuate myself feel better. Plus there'll be all these
other side benefits, but I don't need to go down
on all these hectic side benefits. Is just something that
makes me happy. I notice how I didn't say healthy,
it's happy, which is like an easy thing to associate
for a kid. Now, when we talk about food, my
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son had a situation where he went to his niece's
birthday party. I didn't try and curb what he was eating.
Is it a birthday party? He ate whatever he wanted,
and he felt really sick afterwards, and he actually vomited.
And you might think I would be irresponsible to go
wide and I curb him and change how I was eating.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
But no, that's learning consequences.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
His body has an inbuilt mechanism for helping him eat healthily.
He has now learned such an important lesson, and he
has not stopped talking about the fact if I eat
too much cake, if I eat too many lollies, I
don't feel good. I feel sick. I'm trying to build
up his internal feedback loop by giving him these experiences
and talking him through what that feels like. So more
(18:00):
than anything, I think what we talk about is how
food makes us feel. And there is a kind of
a frequency conversation where I might say something like, you know,
cake is delicio and it's really fun, but if we
ate it all the time and not make us feel
so good.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
See, I think my kids could eat a whole jar
of lollies and potentially not feel sick like I feel
like they could do that. I try and say that's
not great for your teeth. Is that okay?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Let's say your kid has lollies and they go, I
want more lollies. You're allowed to say there's no more
lollies on the menu. You don't need to come at
it with a justification it's bad for you here, we
need to avoid it. You don't need to come in
with any explanation. You're allowed to just to say there's
no more lollies on the menu.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
So we're just pivoting to how things make us feel.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Yeah, because we're developing that internal feedback loop. The advice here,
any good health professional will tell you is what feels
good for you. You know, if you tell me you
can fast intermittently for the rest of your life, I go, great,
that's cool. That sounds like a lifestyle. Majority of people
can't do that. But what our job is to go
is how do I feel on different foods, and to
tune out of all the diet noise and tune into
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what our body is constantly trying to teach us and
teaching our kids to do that self regularly. I think
that's a lifelong gift.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
So we've talked about food and how it makes us feel.
What about comments around our physical appearance or our children's
physical appearance, you know, beauty or any sort of compliments
about physicality.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, I mean, and you know what, we live in
a world where being beautiful does get you places. And
your kids are going to watch Disney characters and they're
going to realize from a very young age that being beautiful,
being thin, that these are admirable traits in the society
that we live in. And I don't think we can
fake it and say to them, oh, no, being beautiful
is not important, and it doesn't really matter because I
think at some point they're going to reach an age
(19:46):
when they go she's lying, and then they kind of
question everything we're saying to them, going, oh, I don't
really trust her when she tells me I'm beautiful or whatever.
I'd say. If your child comes up to you and
says my beautiful, you say, of course you're beautiful, but
it's the least interesting thing about you. And it's the
but least interesting thing that makes all the difference, and
then you go into all the things you think are
(20:08):
far more interesting. So, yes, it's one thing you have,
but really, in the plethora of your skill sets, it
doesn't match up to everything else that you've got going.
You're kind, you're loving, you're generous, you're.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Empathetic, clever and funny.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, clever and funny and imaginative. So go into that
a little bit, but don't lie to them and tell
them that it's not important, because I think they'll pick
up on that. Can I tell you? So we got
to a point once I quit dieting and I had
conversation with my mom. You know what my mom said,
I'm so sorry that I said these things. I didn't
realize I was really trying to help you, and I
(20:41):
thought I was doing the best. Do you know how
healing that was to have that conversation for my mom
to go. I'm just working it out as well. I'm
just a girl growing up as well as all of
us moms are, and I think anytime we're messing up
as a parent, I think there's always room for that
apology and it's always healing no matter the age.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Lindy, I feel like this has been a lifelong gift
of a conversation. Do you've just retrained my brain? So
thank you?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Oh my pleasure, good luck.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Get the tool, my tool.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Let's get something from the tool kit.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
And to wrap up, we're reaching into the talk kit
to bring some positive ideas to help you get through
the day.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
What is the talk it takes?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Oh, look, I know we're on school holidays now, but
my school mornings were becoming so tedious, especially towards the
end of term. You know, it's like, oh for me,
I don't know if your boys are different because they're
a little bit older, Like do they get themselves ready?
And shit? Yes, oh god, seems like a lifetime away
from me. They help with the lunch boxes. They do
their own breakfast everything. Yeah, my kids are coming, just
(21:54):
faf about. I'll be like, stop faffing about, and I'll
be like what this fath me?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
And I'm like, I don't care.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
To tell you, Like, just get dressed. Like, if I
have to repeat myself another time, I'm going to implode,
explode all of the plodes. So I've started doing as
much as like the night before, which i know is
not revolutionary. I know a lot of people do that,
but usually the night before, I mean just as much
of a fath as I am the morning of. I'm
doing as much of the lunches as I can. I'm
(22:22):
getting the uniforms ready so that I'm like they're just there,
all you got to do is put them on. I
do believe that there is something in that getting ready
the night before, because for some reason, the morning it
takes a thousand times longer. Yes, and you've got three
kids on three different moods as well, Like I've got
one that's woken up at six like ready to face
the day, and then I've got one who's like, you've
(22:42):
got to wake up at seven point thirty. And then
they're in a hurry, and then you've got one that's
like rolled out of bed and in a mood, so
prep the night. Can I just move out? You can
move in with me? Can I send them to boarding school?
Speaker 3 (22:54):
I just come living me?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Oh yeah, that would be good. And then I'll get
your boys to get my kids ready for school.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
The commune dream you're preaching to the choir here, I
love that.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
What's in your talkkit?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
So my talkit today?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
You know, we were talking about growing up in the
nineties and having those experiences as kids where we have.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Those core memories.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I thought it would be nice to have a little
conversation with my little self, almost like a positive redirection
and self correction. And what I would say to that
little annalise at the time, And so this is what
I would say to little Anels. Every Body is different,
we aren't all the same. And your little body is
healthy and strong, and as that little body grows and develops,
(23:40):
it will be.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Curvy and sexy.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
And not that the male gaze matters at all, but
you won't have any trouble in that. She's excited and
Aalisea's killing it.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, little Anela's you're not killing it yet. But you will.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
You will give it time, and one day those child
bearing hips will house two rather large, healthy babies who
will just happen to be the best things that ever
happened to you. And so, just like the Gruveramada song says,
if everybody looked the same, we'd get tired of looking
at each other. You are perfect, as Mark Darcy says
(24:15):
to Bridget Jones, just as you are. You know what
little Annalise would say, Who the fuck is Mark Darcy?
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