April 6, 2025 • 19 mins
A question from an "elder millennial" has Leigh and Kelly breaking down the retinol strength debate: is it better to use a mild formula more frequently or a stronger one just once a week? Sharing their personal experiences and product recommendations for different retinol strengths that might work for sensitive skin.
Plus, they tackle why fragrances might be disappearing too quickly. Is your perfume actually vanishing within hours, or is something else happening? (Spoiler: your nose might be playing tricks on you!) Leigh and Kelly offer recommendations for long-lasting formulations that won't fade away by lunchtime.
And don't miss their genius host hacks - Kelly's trick for making black eyeshadow truly black (not blue!) and Leigh's emergency solution for covering grey roots when you're running late!
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Retinol Recommendations:
Elizabeth Arden Retinol and HPR Ceramide Rapid Skin Renewing Water Cream $165
First Aid Beauty Skin Lab Retinol Serum 0.25 Pure Concentrate $99.95
Kiehl's Retinol Skin Renewing Daily Microdose Serum $161
Medik8 Crystal Retinal $99
Neutrogena Rapid Wrinkle Repair Retinol Pro Plus Night Cream $65
Ole Henriksen Double Rewind Pro Grade 0.3% Retinol Serum $105
Go-To Very Amazing Retinal $85
CeraVe Skin Renewing Retinol $43.99
Long-Lasting Fragrance Recommendations:
Perfume Skincare Company Fig and Olive Fragrance Oil $27.50 (10ml roll-on)
Gentle Habits Tasmania Perfume Oil $50
More Snow Gardenia Perfume Oil $22.95
AYU Roomy Oil $90
Nest Vanilla Bourbon EDP $55 (8ml at Sephora)
Chloe Atelier Defleur Cedra $216
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
Hello and welcome to You Beauty, the daily podcast for
Your Face. My name is Lee Campbell.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'm Kelly McCarran, and you are listening to Your Beauty,
which I already said you Wow.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Can someone tell that Lee has not had her coffee
yet this Monday morning?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
But I must say it is a daily show.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
So what I'm meant to say is it's a Monday
episode of You Beauty where we answer you be questions.
You submit them, we talk about them, we bring them
to the show, and we're hopefully very helpful.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Hopefully especially our host Tanks, which is always later in
the episode.
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Year Now listen.
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If you want to ask us one, just shoot us
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or you can email You Beauty Podcast at Mama mea
dot com dot are you Today?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
We've got a question about PERF which I'm so excited
I can finally contribute to without just going yack everything,
hence my nose because it's finally three years it took
to settle postpartum.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, you hated fragrance.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I could not tolerate it. I'm finally back on the
fragrance trying, and I'm very excited too too. But first
I couldn't help.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
But Wonder asked me anything. You ask plenty questions.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Katie has asked Elda millennial here. I love that term.
I've been using prescription retinal pretty consistently for a few years,
never reaching for it more than once a week. Every
time I increase the frequency, I get very dry and
have to cut back. I believe I could probably use
a more mild over the counter retinal every single day
without too much irritation. I know I'm losing collagen by
(01:54):
the day, and I don't have the luxury of years
and years of testing the different outcomes of these two approaches.
My question is for the aging benefits as I approach forty,
is it better to use mild retinal often, such as
every day, or a more powerful retinal once a week.
Thank you ladies for being such a trusted source for
my skin.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
In ket question, Katie, look, I think Kelly and I
will have similar answers that are somewhat skewed because of
our jobs.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I don't think either of us use prescription retinol. I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
It just means that we wouldn't be able to use
a lot of other stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, because we test a lot of over the counter
retinals for our job. But also I do not have
time for the purging no phase. So if you are
starting a retinol, particularly a strong one, it's called purging.
You go through dryness, flakiness, reddness, tightness, sometimes breakouts when
you push through. Eventually, apparently it's great. And follow everyone.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I'm part of this retinal group on Facebook just to
see what people say. And some people are like, it's
been six months, I still am not seeing anything.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Well, that's Katie.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
And the thing is any type of vitamin A product
is a long game to see the results. Doesn't matter
if it's prescription or over the counter. I feel like
ten years ago prescription was the og, and you know
a lot of dermatologists still really rave about it. But
for me, I don't want to go through the purge
and I want to chop and change products. And I
(03:10):
get really great results from brands that sell them without
a prescription.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
When you use an over the counter retinal or different products,
you're actually also getting skin care benefits from the other
ingredients that they put yes in them. Yeah, that you
aren't getting just with retino.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So when you get a script from the doctor and
you get a retinal we can't name them by names,
but there's a couple and they're pretty well known. You
then have to sort of buffer it or it's like
literally just a drug in a tube, whereas over the
counter have used a form of vitamin eight might be retinal,
might be retinal, and then put it with other stuff
that will soften the blow or also help with this,
to help.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
With that or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
So I'm very much in the over the counter camp
because i know it takes a long time to really
see results on kind of malasma or pigmentation. But I
swear I'm going after a few weeks when I try
a new consistent Yeah, exactly. So I've got a few
to recommend, But do you want to recommend to yours first? Well,
I've just got three to recommend that are really good
(04:04):
for sensitive skin as well, because I do have I
don't have sensitive skin, but I've got reactive skin. So
I've talked about this so much ever since it launched
the Elizabeth Arden Retinol and HPR Seramid Rapid Skin Renewing
water cream. It's one hundred and sixty five dollars. I've
never tried a retino that is so nurishing.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Like you almost wouldn't know it was a vitamin A product.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
If you wouldn't know, you would not know if you
didn't read the label. It is just such a beautiful cream.
Is it enough by itself? I don't think so, Like
I would always have to put something on over the
top of it for moisture, but that's because I also
do have quite dry skin. And then, you know, I
love a Reddit thread. I was having a look at
what a lot of other people said for really sensitive
(04:49):
skin when they're not tolerating general retinols. So First Aid
Beauty from Sephora Skin Lab Retinal Serum point two five
pure concentrate is specifically made for sensitive skin. So that
one's seventy nine dollars and twenty cents at the time
of recording because it's on special and then the feels
(05:10):
Retinal Skin renewing Daily Microdose Serum one hundred and sixty
one dollars. That one has also been formulated for sensitive skin,
and the Rattit users have seen a lot of success
with it and no irritation, so I'd have a look
at those ones. I don't have anything affordable.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I do, Oh you do?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, okay, I've got some spendies and some savors. So
most brands, actually, I think all of the brands I'm
about to recommend will do clinical studies to prove that
over a period of time. And like I said, biden
is a long game that these products work. Are they
the same results as prescription? Can't say? But are you
stopping and starting and getting irritation? No?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
So happy days you.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Well, well, we're actually going to see more results faster
because you're using it more conserve.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Right, So this is a spendy. It's the Medicaid Crystal Retina. Yes,
this is a whole system. So they're ninety nine dollars
per serum, but you go up in grade, so there's
three six nine and you kind of graduate to the
stronger one. It's very clever. I've used those before. I
love the I cream version of this.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
They're great.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
You can get that at Adoor beauty. Nutrogena is fantastic.
They've got a whole bunch of actual retinal products, but
the one I like the most is the Neutrogena Rapid
Wrinkle Repair Retinol Pro Plus night Cream. It's four price
sixty five dollars. At the time of recording, Chemist Warehouse
has it on.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Sale, and they've got the different levels as well with Neutrogena,
don't they.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
And they also have serums. They've got something for the day,
They've got an eye I just like this night cream
because oftentimes when I'm really tired, I just want to
slap on a cream that's kind of moisturizing enough and
also antiaging.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
That one's really good. One I have.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Used probably six tubes of I love so much is
Ola Hendrickson double or Wine pro Grade zero point three
percent retinal serum. It's expensive, sorry, it's from a door beauty.
I think you can also get it at Sephora one
hundred and five dollars. Never had any irritation. I swear
my skin is glowing from the next morning because as
a reminder, we use these products at night.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Only, and then the next day and every day.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
We are super diligent with sunscreen because it can make
your skin a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Even if a product says can be used twice a day, No,
just use it at nighttime.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Use this before.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I'd like to use it again. I should buy it again.
The go to very amazing retinal. It's a Vitner Maneo's favorite. Actually,
he loves it. Eighty five dollars. It has got five
hundred and seventy one five star reviews on their website.
Probably a little bit because Zoe is amazing, but also
because it's a really great product and she took a
long time to launch it. Lastly, another Savy which is
(07:32):
also really excellent. I think Aaron loves this one, and
she's sensitive. It's a Sarah V skin renewing round.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
She stares. Yes, I've heard her talk about this.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Forty three bucks sometimes on sale, so I would pick
an over the counter. Give it three months. Still, don't
use it every night, because he said you want to
use it every night. Start twice a week, build up
to three times a week. After a couple of weeks,
you could probably use it six nights a week. Don't
forget a hydration step, but I reckon you're going to
have less frustration and more results.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah, so that's how we feel about that.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Coming up after the break, we're going to chat about
fragrances we are loving at the moment.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
So gotya, Katia, You have a beautiful name. You said, Hi,
you be queens. My question is about perfume. No matter
which perfume I wear, it just doesn't last on me.
The smell is gone in a few hours, and it
doesn't seem to matter which type or how much I
put on. Am I doing something wrong?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Also?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Can you please tell me some of your favorite perfumes
I can try?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
All right, Cardia, perfume strength. It's quite hard if you're
just like the average punter going into a shop. Perfume
can be quite hard to understand because you're like that
just smells beautiful. Why does it not last all day?
And why does it only last for a cent amount
of time on me? Or smell differently? Firstly, though, I
do want to say that it probably is lasting longer
than you think. If you can smell your own perfume
(08:55):
after an hour, you've got too much on. That's like
a general rule of thumb. Of course, you smell it
when you first put it on, but I reckon if
you ask other people around you, they can smell your perfume.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
And before you give us the grades of the strengths,
because you're a pro that can I just further on
that point. It's a thing it's called olfactory aduption, So
your nose gets used to the smell that's right near it.
So like say, how you walk into someone's house and
it has a distinct smell. It might be they can't
smell it. It might be pets or their home fragrance
or what. It's not pets, no, but they walk home
and they can't smell it because they're around it all
(09:26):
the time. So it's very likely that your nose has
just got so familiar with it that your brain doesn't register.
It doesn't matter if your chop and change fragrances. It's
just like after three hours, it's like, oh, yeah, I
know that smells here. I need to be available to
smell other things, so I reckon it still lasts. It's
just that your nose doesn't know. But then it depends
on what you're choosing. Where Kelly will talk us through
(09:49):
the grades.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
So the perfume strength is determined by the concentration of
different fragrance oils that are in a formula. So the
higher the concentration, the longer it lasts, and then the
stronger it smells. So I'll give you a very quick
breakdown if you haven't heard us talking about this before.
So a puff fum, which is generally the most expensive,
that has it twenty to forty percent of the fragrance
(10:11):
oil concentration in it. The EDP has fifteen to twenty percent,
EDT five to fifteen percent, and then E d C
two to five percent.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
You've ever heard of an EDC?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
A cologne, oh, a cologne very short, And then there's
a frush which is basically just a mist, and then
that's one percent. So the longevity of your fragrance will
depend on where it is in that and also then
on the base notes, as they are the heaviest and
slowest to evaporate in your fragrance. So if you want
(10:44):
something long lasting, you need to look for things with
like woody, musky gormandi bass notes rather than fruity florals.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah, fresh as are usually quite light.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Which is, you know, unfortunate because they're often the ones
that I love.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I still smell them. Don't put more hilarious.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Very funny. So as a starting point, I would have
a look at what fragrances you're wearing, and I personally
use a puffum. They're so expensive, though, look for eedps
to begin with. They're still more expensive, but you're not
going to be spraying them as much.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
You need one to two sprays, Yeah, Max, I would
say one.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I always say to Luke one please on your neck,
and then look at what the base notes are. So
that's where I would start. And then I've got two
current recommendations that I would love to give you. But firstly,
do you have anything to add to that?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
All? I totally agree with that, And because you have
worked very closely with fragrance in a past life, I
love that you know all that. I agree with everything
Kelly says. I'm going to recommend a few perfume oils
because oils tend to last longer. They usually don't have
any alcohol in it, and it's the alcohol that evaporates
that then kind of makes the fragrance settle. So let
me just share a couple and then Kelly will talk
(11:52):
to you about her favorites. Also, you need a tiny
bit of oil and they are generally like cost per
ware more affordable. Five years ago I spoke about this fragrance,
the fig and olive fragrance from a small Australian business
called Perfume Skincare Company.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Still love it, Still wear it.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
You can get the little roll on ten mil roll
on to try and trust me, that will last you
forever for twenty seven dollars and fifty cents.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
It is lush.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
It's the one that I ran up to a woman
in the shopping center and said, tell me what you're marrying?
What on earth do you have on? Another one I
love is. The brand is called Gentle Habits. These bottles
are beautiful. They've got a whole bunch of different ones.
My favorite perfume oil from them is called Tasmania. It's
notes of leather. It's kind of masculine and sexy. It's
a woody one. These are all unisex. That's fifty dollars.
(12:35):
That is also going to last you forever. You know
the like Candle brand more you would know it has. Yeah, Yeah,
they do really beautiful ones. There's one admire I never
have expected that. Well, you're gonna want this. It's called
snow Gardinia. It's a perfeme oil. It's a little roll
on that's nine meal. Most of these are ten mel
full price twenty two ninety five at the time of recording.
Ad Myra it's on sale and it is just so beautiful.
(12:57):
It's guardinia and fresh, but because it's an oil, it
lasts longer. One more and then I'll hand over to
Kelly a Yu. That's quite like literally how I would
say it, but I don't know if that's right. They've
got a bunch of them. The roomy is my favorite one.
So this is Jasmine orange blossom Tonka Bean. It's so beautiful, yum.
So you can get the fifteen meal rollerball.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
For sixty five dollars.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Oh okay, and then they're good to have in your
bad Yeah, you know, whatever, what are you going to say?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
So I have two new ones that I've recently discovered
because I was like, I'm not going to go through
all of every single one that I've ever loved that
would fit into this category. But it's just like, look
at the notes and make sure that it's an EEDP
and it's got something heady at the base. But the
two that I'm loving at the moment is Nest Vanilla
(13:44):
bourbon edp.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
You brought that strawberry one the other week that was
also was a perfume oil because it's strawberry the way,
just don't think the specific this person is looking for now.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Usually with vanilla, I absolutely not. I'm not really a
Gormand girl.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
But this is Goman means an edible note, So something
that you could eat in real life, like a vanilla
or a urban bourbon.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, but this one, it just smells expensive and it
doesn't smell cheap and foody.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
You're really getting the internet, which is what I Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So it's got vanilla, brown sugar, jasmine musk. It's the
jasmine that brings it home, brings it home without it
being then it's still like really deep and sexy and hot.
So you get eight meals from Safhara, like a little
rollaball one for fifty five dollars if you want to
try it, I mean go in and never just buy
a fragrance based on someone's recommendation. It's so personal. Well,
don't listen.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Toly about that.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
And then the Chloe Atalier de Fleur. So this is
their range of like really intense beautiful perfumes, and this
one isn't my favorite, but it's definitely beautiful and sits in.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
This woody tanily yea, yeah, because there's a normal version
than intense.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
See I like the intense.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
No no, no, I just mean like in the family. Oh,
the atalier. This isn't my favorite, but I think that
it's really great for cuddier because it's so woody and deep.
So it's got the veta air, moss, sand wood, cardamoen.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I love it. It's oh, I love it.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I just the lang lang one. It has my heart anyway,
So have a sniff. But yeah, just remember edp nothing
fruity or floral too floral?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yes, go Kelly. So after the break, we have some
host hacks. One is a little thing that I did
this morning. And oh don't think I've told you guys before,
but if I have, it's a reminder what a you
makeup hacks. So this is for my dark hair gurlies
(15:46):
and my gray hair girlies.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I'm always in a rush. I used to be so organized.
I think it's having children. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
My gray roots are about a centimeter each side. I
have a center part, are they yes?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Okay, well you need to tell us what you've done
because you have got not one little bit of gray.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Well I do, but I have very dark hair, so
I literally have a stripe. Normally, when I've got time,
I prefer to use one of those powders or just
it's a very dark brown matte eye shadow, and I
did this morning.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I had minus an hour.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I was running so late, so I get one of
those shake shake spray cans, you know, like not spray
can paint like root cover up. I go, and I'd
put so much on that you couldn't see my part,
so it looked like I was wearing a helmet. So
what I do is I get a cue tip a
bit of my cellar water and I gosh and run
it along my part. Yeah, it takes away the root
cover up and then you look like you have a
(16:36):
scalp with.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Not one gray because I can't see any. So she's
done a great job. I like those raids, but most
of them. I mean the Orbay one I love, it's
so expensive and I ran out. I was using a
more refortable one.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Is really good, but your hair does look a bit chalky,
but hey, it gets you through, because who has time
to color their hair every ten day exactly so Q
tip my cellar water.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
What can't I do? What's yours?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I've got another makeup pack A So this is for
anyone as we once again move into the colder season.
If you love playing with black tones in winter, so
black eye shadow, black eyeliner, only when you put it
on you might be like, why is it throwing so
much blue? So say you put black all over your eyelid.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
That happens to me with some products.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, and you're like, why is this happening? It looks
a little bit trashy, ye, a little bit washed out
and cheap. It's just not good. And yeah, it could
be the most beautiful product, but if it washes out
to a sad blue, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
It happens with one of my favorite textured black eyeliners.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
It's expensive.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Why because in black products, the undertones are generally blue,
which is why once it's been sort of like buffed
out or worn for a little while, it's going to
look like a blue color. So what you need to
do is actually use brown as the base to neutralize.
So if you want to wear a black eye shadow
(17:57):
as an example, I want you to put brown down underneath.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Oh makes sense, and you.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Are going to have the same thing with eyeliner. If
you do a brown first, if you want it to
really pop and be super pigmented, it is not going
to wash out at all after that.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
That's so clever.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I wonder if the opposite could be true, because oftentimes
my brow products throw warmth. Could I put cool anyway?
Let me explore that in my head before try that
at home, because I'm not sure. Maybe it will be
my hostack next week.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, won't.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
That is so clever.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yes, So if you just do it at home, you
put like a little bit of brown on your hand
first and then put black over the top, or just
put black straight on your skin tone.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yes you?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Oh yeah, I'm going to try it on my hand
first before I ruined my eyes one day, not that
it would.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
I just if you don't trust me, you're a makeup
with Oh listen, I've just got some hacksup must live.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
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I'm in love, I'm obsessed, and I don't even feel
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Hello and welcome to You Beauty, the daily podcast for
Your Face. My name is Lee Campbell.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'm Kelly McCarran, and you are listening to Your Beauty,
which I already said you Wow.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Can someone tell that Lee has not had her coffee
yet this Monday morning?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
But I must say it is a daily show.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
So what I'm meant to say is it's a Monday
episode of You Beauty where we answer you be questions.
You submit them, we talk about them, we bring them
to the show, and we're hopefully very helpful.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Hopefully especially our host Tanks, which is always later in
the episode.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Year Now listen.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
If you want to ask us one, just shoot us
a dam on Instagram, pop it in the Facebook group,
or you can email You Beauty Podcast at Mama mea
dot com dot are you Today?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
We've got a question about PERF which I'm so excited
I can finally contribute to without just going yack everything,
hence my nose because it's finally three years it took
to settle postpartum.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, you hated fragrance.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
I could not tolerate it. I'm finally back on the
fragrance trying, and I'm very excited too too. But first
I couldn't help.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
But Wonder asked me anything. You ask plenty questions.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Katie has asked Elda millennial here. I love that term.
I've been using prescription retinal pretty consistently for a few years,
never reaching for it more than once a week. Every
time I increase the frequency, I get very dry and
have to cut back. I believe I could probably use
a more mild over the counter retinal every single day
without too much irritation. I know I'm losing collagen by
(01:54):
the day, and I don't have the luxury of years
and years of testing the different outcomes of these two approaches.
My question is for the aging benefits as I approach forty,
is it better to use mild retinal often, such as
every day, or a more powerful retinal once a week.
Thank you ladies for being such a trusted source for
my skin.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
In ket question, Katie, look, I think Kelly and I
will have similar answers that are somewhat skewed because of
our jobs.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I don't think either of us use prescription retinol. I don't.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
It just means that we wouldn't be able to use
a lot of other stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, because we test a lot of over the counter
retinals for our job. But also I do not have
time for the purging no phase. So if you are
starting a retinol, particularly a strong one, it's called purging.
You go through dryness, flakiness, reddness, tightness, sometimes breakouts when
you push through. Eventually, apparently it's great. And follow everyone.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
I'm part of this retinal group on Facebook just to
see what people say. And some people are like, it's
been six months, I still am not seeing anything.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Well, that's Katie.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
And the thing is any type of vitamin A product
is a long game to see the results. Doesn't matter
if it's prescription or over the counter. I feel like
ten years ago prescription was the og, and you know
a lot of dermatologists still really rave about it. But
for me, I don't want to go through the purge
and I want to chop and change products. And I
(03:10):
get really great results from brands that sell them without
a prescription.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
When you use an over the counter retinal or different products,
you're actually also getting skin care benefits from the other
ingredients that they put yes in them. Yeah, that you
aren't getting just with retino.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
So when you get a script from the doctor and
you get a retinal we can't name them by names,
but there's a couple and they're pretty well known. You
then have to sort of buffer it or it's like
literally just a drug in a tube, whereas over the
counter have used a form of vitamin eight might be retinal,
might be retinal, and then put it with other stuff
that will soften the blow or also help with this,
to help.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
With that or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
So I'm very much in the over the counter camp
because i know it takes a long time to really
see results on kind of malasma or pigmentation. But I
swear I'm going after a few weeks when I try
a new consistent Yeah, exactly. So I've got a few
to recommend, But do you want to recommend to yours first? Well,
I've just got three to recommend that are really good
(04:04):
for sensitive skin as well, because I do have I
don't have sensitive skin, but I've got reactive skin. So
I've talked about this so much ever since it launched
the Elizabeth Arden Retinol and HPR Seramid Rapid Skin Renewing
water cream. It's one hundred and sixty five dollars. I've
never tried a retino that is so nurishing.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Like you almost wouldn't know it was a vitamin A product.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
If you wouldn't know, you would not know if you
didn't read the label. It is just such a beautiful cream.
Is it enough by itself? I don't think so, Like
I would always have to put something on over the
top of it for moisture, but that's because I also
do have quite dry skin. And then, you know, I
love a Reddit thread. I was having a look at
what a lot of other people said for really sensitive
(04:49):
skin when they're not tolerating general retinols. So First Aid
Beauty from Sephora Skin Lab Retinal Serum point two five
pure concentrate is specifically made for sensitive skin. So that
one's seventy nine dollars and twenty cents at the time
of recording because it's on special and then the feels
(05:10):
Retinal Skin renewing Daily Microdose Serum one hundred and sixty
one dollars. That one has also been formulated for sensitive skin,
and the Rattit users have seen a lot of success
with it and no irritation, so I'd have a look
at those ones. I don't have anything affordable.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I do, Oh you do?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, okay, I've got some spendies and some savors. So
most brands, actually, I think all of the brands I'm
about to recommend will do clinical studies to prove that
over a period of time. And like I said, biden
is a long game that these products work. Are they
the same results as prescription? Can't say? But are you
stopping and starting and getting irritation? No?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
So happy days you.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Well, well, we're actually going to see more results faster
because you're using it more conserve.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Right, So this is a spendy. It's the Medicaid Crystal Retina. Yes,
this is a whole system. So they're ninety nine dollars
per serum, but you go up in grade, so there's
three six nine and you kind of graduate to the
stronger one. It's very clever. I've used those before. I
love the I cream version of this.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
They're great.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
You can get that at Adoor beauty. Nutrogena is fantastic.
They've got a whole bunch of actual retinal products, but
the one I like the most is the Neutrogena Rapid
Wrinkle Repair Retinol Pro Plus night Cream. It's four price
sixty five dollars. At the time of recording, Chemist Warehouse
has it on.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Sale, and they've got the different levels as well with Neutrogena,
don't they.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
And they also have serums. They've got something for the day,
They've got an eye I just like this night cream
because oftentimes when I'm really tired, I just want to
slap on a cream that's kind of moisturizing enough and
also antiaging.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
That one's really good. One I have.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Used probably six tubes of I love so much is
Ola Hendrickson double or Wine pro Grade zero point three
percent retinal serum. It's expensive, sorry, it's from a door beauty.
I think you can also get it at Sephora one
hundred and five dollars. Never had any irritation. I swear
my skin is glowing from the next morning because as
a reminder, we use these products at night.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Only, and then the next day and every day.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
We are super diligent with sunscreen because it can make
your skin a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Even if a product says can be used twice a day, No,
just use it at nighttime.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Use this before.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
I'd like to use it again. I should buy it again.
The go to very amazing retinal. It's a Vitner Maneo's favorite. Actually,
he loves it. Eighty five dollars. It has got five
hundred and seventy one five star reviews on their website.
Probably a little bit because Zoe is amazing, but also
because it's a really great product and she took a
long time to launch it. Lastly, another Savy which is
(07:32):
also really excellent. I think Aaron loves this one, and
she's sensitive. It's a Sarah V skin renewing round.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
She stares. Yes, I've heard her talk about this.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Forty three bucks sometimes on sale, so I would pick
an over the counter. Give it three months. Still, don't
use it every night, because he said you want to
use it every night. Start twice a week, build up
to three times a week. After a couple of weeks,
you could probably use it six nights a week. Don't
forget a hydration step, but I reckon you're going to
have less frustration and more results.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah, so that's how we feel about that.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Coming up after the break, we're going to chat about
fragrances we are loving at the moment.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
So gotya, Katia, You have a beautiful name. You said, Hi,
you be queens. My question is about perfume. No matter
which perfume I wear, it just doesn't last on me.
The smell is gone in a few hours, and it
doesn't seem to matter which type or how much I
put on. Am I doing something wrong?
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Also?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Can you please tell me some of your favorite perfumes
I can try?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
All right, Cardia, perfume strength. It's quite hard if you're
just like the average punter going into a shop. Perfume
can be quite hard to understand because you're like that
just smells beautiful. Why does it not last all day?
And why does it only last for a cent amount
of time on me? Or smell differently? Firstly, though, I
do want to say that it probably is lasting longer
than you think. If you can smell your own perfume
(08:55):
after an hour, you've got too much on. That's like
a general rule of thumb. Of course, you smell it
when you first put it on, but I reckon if
you ask other people around you, they can smell your perfume.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
And before you give us the grades of the strengths,
because you're a pro that can I just further on
that point. It's a thing it's called olfactory aduption, So
your nose gets used to the smell that's right near it.
So like say, how you walk into someone's house and
it has a distinct smell. It might be they can't
smell it. It might be pets or their home fragrance
or what. It's not pets, no, but they walk home
and they can't smell it because they're around it all
(09:26):
the time. So it's very likely that your nose has
just got so familiar with it that your brain doesn't register.
It doesn't matter if your chop and change fragrances. It's
just like after three hours, it's like, oh, yeah, I
know that smells here. I need to be available to
smell other things, so I reckon it still lasts. It's
just that your nose doesn't know. But then it depends
on what you're choosing. Where Kelly will talk us through
(09:49):
the grades.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
So the perfume strength is determined by the concentration of
different fragrance oils that are in a formula. So the
higher the concentration, the longer it lasts, and then the
stronger it smells. So I'll give you a very quick
breakdown if you haven't heard us talking about this before.
So a puff fum, which is generally the most expensive,
that has it twenty to forty percent of the fragrance
(10:11):
oil concentration in it. The EDP has fifteen to twenty percent,
EDT five to fifteen percent, and then E d C
two to five percent.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
You've ever heard of an EDC?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
A cologne, oh, a cologne very short, And then there's
a frush which is basically just a mist, and then
that's one percent. So the longevity of your fragrance will
depend on where it is in that and also then
on the base notes, as they are the heaviest and
slowest to evaporate in your fragrance. So if you want
(10:44):
something long lasting, you need to look for things with
like woody, musky gormandi bass notes rather than fruity florals.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Yeah, fresh as are usually quite light.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Which is, you know, unfortunate because they're often the ones
that I love.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I still smell them. Don't put more hilarious.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Very funny. So as a starting point, I would have
a look at what fragrances you're wearing, and I personally
use a puffum. They're so expensive, though, look for eedps
to begin with. They're still more expensive, but you're not
going to be spraying them as much.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
You need one to two sprays, Yeah, Max, I would
say one.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I always say to Luke one please on your neck,
and then look at what the base notes are. So
that's where I would start. And then I've got two
current recommendations that I would love to give you. But firstly,
do you have anything to add to that?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
All? I totally agree with that, And because you have
worked very closely with fragrance in a past life, I
love that you know all that. I agree with everything
Kelly says. I'm going to recommend a few perfume oils
because oils tend to last longer. They usually don't have
any alcohol in it, and it's the alcohol that evaporates
that then kind of makes the fragrance settle. So let
me just share a couple and then Kelly will talk
(11:52):
to you about her favorites. Also, you need a tiny
bit of oil and they are generally like cost per
ware more affordable. Five years ago I spoke about this fragrance,
the fig and olive fragrance from a small Australian business
called Perfume Skincare Company.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Still love it, Still wear it.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
You can get the little roll on ten mil roll
on to try and trust me, that will last you
forever for twenty seven dollars and fifty cents.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
It is lush.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
It's the one that I ran up to a woman
in the shopping center and said, tell me what you're marrying?
What on earth do you have on? Another one I
love is. The brand is called Gentle Habits. These bottles
are beautiful. They've got a whole bunch of different ones.
My favorite perfume oil from them is called Tasmania. It's
notes of leather. It's kind of masculine and sexy. It's
a woody one. These are all unisex. That's fifty dollars.
(12:35):
That is also going to last you forever. You know
the like Candle brand more you would know it has. Yeah, Yeah,
they do really beautiful ones. There's one admire I never
have expected that. Well, you're gonna want this. It's called
snow Gardinia. It's a perfeme oil. It's a little roll
on that's nine meal. Most of these are ten mel
full price twenty two ninety five at the time of recording.
Ad Myra it's on sale and it is just so beautiful.
(12:57):
It's guardinia and fresh, but because it's an oil, it
lasts longer. One more and then I'll hand over to
Kelly a Yu. That's quite like literally how I would
say it, but I don't know if that's right. They've
got a bunch of them. The roomy is my favorite one.
So this is Jasmine orange blossom Tonka Bean. It's so beautiful, yum.
So you can get the fifteen meal rollerball.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
For sixty five dollars.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Oh okay, and then they're good to have in your
bad Yeah, you know, whatever, what are you going to say?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
So I have two new ones that I've recently discovered
because I was like, I'm not going to go through
all of every single one that I've ever loved that
would fit into this category. But it's just like, look
at the notes and make sure that it's an EEDP
and it's got something heady at the base. But the
two that I'm loving at the moment is Nest Vanilla
(13:44):
bourbon edp.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
You brought that strawberry one the other week that was
also was a perfume oil because it's strawberry the way,
just don't think the specific this person is looking for now.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Usually with vanilla, I absolutely not. I'm not really a
Gormand girl.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
But this is Goman means an edible note, So something
that you could eat in real life, like a vanilla
or a urban bourbon.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, but this one, it just smells expensive and it
doesn't smell cheap and foody.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
You're really getting the internet, which is what I Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
So it's got vanilla, brown sugar, jasmine musk. It's the
jasmine that brings it home, brings it home without it
being then it's still like really deep and sexy and hot.
So you get eight meals from Safhara, like a little
rollaball one for fifty five dollars if you want to
try it, I mean go in and never just buy
a fragrance based on someone's recommendation. It's so personal. Well,
don't listen.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Toly about that.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
And then the Chloe Atalier de Fleur. So this is
their range of like really intense beautiful perfumes, and this
one isn't my favorite, but it's definitely beautiful and sits in.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
This woody tanily yea, yeah, because there's a normal version
than intense.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
See I like the intense.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
No no, no, I just mean like in the family. Oh,
the atalier. This isn't my favorite, but I think that
it's really great for cuddier because it's so woody and deep.
So it's got the veta air, moss, sand wood, cardamoen.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
I love it. It's oh, I love it.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I just the lang lang one. It has my heart anyway,
So have a sniff. But yeah, just remember edp nothing
fruity or floral too floral?
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yes, go Kelly. So after the break, we have some
host hacks. One is a little thing that I did
this morning. And oh don't think I've told you guys before,
but if I have, it's a reminder what a you
makeup hacks. So this is for my dark hair gurlies
(15:46):
and my gray hair girlies.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I'm always in a rush. I used to be so organized.
I think it's having children. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
My gray roots are about a centimeter each side. I
have a center part, are they yes?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Okay, well you need to tell us what you've done
because you have got not one little bit of gray.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Well I do, but I have very dark hair, so
I literally have a stripe. Normally, when I've got time,
I prefer to use one of those powders or just
it's a very dark brown matte eye shadow, and I
did this morning.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I had minus an hour.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I was running so late, so I get one of
those shake shake spray cans, you know, like not spray
can paint like root cover up. I go, and I'd
put so much on that you couldn't see my part,
so it looked like I was wearing a helmet. So
what I do is I get a cue tip a
bit of my cellar water and I gosh and run
it along my part. Yeah, it takes away the root
cover up and then you look like you have a
(16:36):
scalp with.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Not one gray because I can't see any. So she's
done a great job. I like those raids, but most
of them. I mean the Orbay one I love, it's
so expensive and I ran out. I was using a
more refortable one.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Is really good, but your hair does look a bit chalky,
but hey, it gets you through, because who has time
to color their hair every ten day exactly so Q
tip my cellar water.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
What can't I do? What's yours?
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I've got another makeup pack A So this is for
anyone as we once again move into the colder season.
If you love playing with black tones in winter, so
black eye shadow, black eyeliner, only when you put it
on you might be like, why is it throwing so
much blue? So say you put black all over your eyelid.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
That happens to me with some products.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, and you're like, why is this happening? It looks
a little bit trashy, ye, a little bit washed out
and cheap. It's just not good. And yeah, it could
be the most beautiful product, but if it washes out
to a sad blue, it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
It happens with one of my favorite textured black eyeliners.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
It's expensive.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Why because in black products, the undertones are generally blue,
which is why once it's been sort of like buffed
out or worn for a little while, it's going to
look like a blue color. So what you need to
do is actually use brown as the base to neutralize.
So if you want to wear a black eye shadow
(17:57):
as an example, I want you to put brown down underneath.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Oh makes sense, and you.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Are going to have the same thing with eyeliner. If
you do a brown first, if you want it to
really pop and be super pigmented, it is not going
to wash out at all after that.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
That's so clever.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
I wonder if the opposite could be true, because oftentimes
my brow products throw warmth. Could I put cool anyway?
Let me explore that in my head before try that
at home, because I'm not sure. Maybe it will be
my hostack next week.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, won't.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
That is so clever.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yes, So if you just do it at home, you
put like a little bit of brown on your hand
first and then put black over the top, or just
put black straight on your skin tone.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yes you?
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Oh yeah, I'm going to try it on my hand
first before I ruined my eyes one day, not that
it would.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
I just if you don't trust me, you're a makeup
with Oh listen, I've just got some hacksup must live.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Thank you so much for listening to your Beauty And
if you have a question, send us a dm at
you Beauty podcast and our produce will send it through
to us asap.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You Beauty is produced by Steph McPhee and Lee Stamps,
with audio production by Tiagan Sudler and video production by
Marlina Cacciotti.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
See You Friday, Bye
Speaker 1 (19:09):
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