July 21, 2025 • 18 mins
Gone are the days of celebrities claiming their flawless skin is just down to "drinking lots of water and good genes." Celebrity cosmetic procedures are finally getting real, and we're here for it! On today's episode, Kelly chats with Dr Naomi, a cosmetic physician who's been in the game since 1999 and has watched the industry transform from total secrecy to celebrities literally listing their procedures like a shopping receipt.
Dr Naomi breaks down what's actually behind this shift - spoiler: it's not just about being honest, it's about controlling the narrative. We're getting into the nitty-gritty of what she's seeing in her clinic, the skincare ingredients that are actually worth your money (hello exosomes and PDRN), and the social media and TikTok myths that make her want to scream.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
that this podcast is recorded.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
On Makeup is My Therapy. I'm in love, I'm obsessed,
and I don't even feel guilty of body.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Welcome to you Beauty, the podcast for your Face.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I'm Kelly McCarran, and this is the formula.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Every week, I chat to all sorts of celebs, experts,
and the biggest names in beauty to dissect what's happening
in the industry right now, and we take a sneak
peek into their bathroom cabinets to see what they're using
and why.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Fun Fun, Fun, Fun found fun. Can't say that I often.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Have a boring day on the job. Now, if you've
been on social media lately, you've probably noticed something pretty refreshing.
Celebrities are finally getting real about their cosmetic procedures.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Gone to the days of I just drink lots of
water and shmear olive.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Oil all over my face, and hello to honest conversations
about tweakments, injectables and everything in between. Today, I'm joined
by the incredible doctor Naomi, a leading cosmetic physician who's
been at the forefront of this transparency movement.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
She's not only helping our clients.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Achieve their esthetic goals, but also encouraging honest conversations about
what's actually possible with.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Modern cosmetic medicine.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
We're diving deep into why celebs are suddenly spilling the
tea on their procedures and what's driving this shift towards
authenticity and the skincare ingredients that are absolutely dominating right now.
Doctor Naomi, welcome to the formula.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
You have such beautiful skilled But how.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
So in case anyone was living under a rock and
for some reason not following you on social media, because
you're one of the funniest people that you know, what
you are what social media is for just being silly
and posting silliness.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Oh but you'll also.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Post other stuff as well, but like just keeping the
humor very important seems to be lost sometimes these days.
But that was just seat Tangent already warned you that
I just end up on Tangents.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
So can you start by giving us a bit of a.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Background on who you are and how you started everything?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Okay, so I started as a cosmetic doctor in nineteen
ninety nine, so long time ago, I.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
What is a cosmetic doctor?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
So I'm a non surgical cosmetic doctor. So basically do
everything in aesthetics that's non surgical.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
You're not doing breasts, oh no boob jobs, but you're
doing tweakments as I call exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yep. So started my own clinic in two thousand and two.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Is that the mans like? Is that what the man say?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Oh wow, that's so cool old yeah wow. Well it's
very well established and trusted.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
And then you ended up deciding to launch into your
own skincare.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yes, I also became a cosmetic chemist and have my
own skincare brand.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
That's very cool. And what year was that?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
So we launched the brand four years ago. We just
had our fourth birthday.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I remember coming to one of the launch events at
the Man's. It was thank you for coming, it's so good,
and I just I think that's when I was like,
oh my god, I love that woman.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
She's so fabulous.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Because you're wearing this really cool like pink track set ah,
And I was like thinking to myself, oh, because I
love color.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
And I love fun clothes, and I was like, oh,
I love that.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I'm going to ask her when it must stop the
courage and ask her where she gets she got it from?
And I was like, oh my god, like, thank you
so much, like for having me lover, where.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Did you get your round me from?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
And you're like tom Ford and I was like, oh, yeah, okay, yeah, listen,
no that's not within my budget. But I just adored, like, yeah,
you're wearing a fabulous tom Ford track set. Why not?
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Thank you, Pink, I love it.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
As someone who works with high profile cis, have you
noticed a difference in how people are going to approach
cosmetic procedures now that there's less stigma about getting them.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I do think there's a lot less stigma. And the
things I've noticed are people just aren't as secretive in general,
there's not as many people hiding it from their husbands.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
When people did.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
That, I was always like, red flag, why are you
hiding that? Who cares what you spend your heart ened
money on?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah? Because I've done it for so long, I've watched
how the media responded to it in the past as well.
So the media was really anti cosmetic treatments, even.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Every female at least and some of the men that
were in the media were getting it done.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yes, So that makes it easier on everyone, and.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
It's also then just not secretive. Oh what did you
get down that you look so fresh? I'm like, oh,
I had this done. I mean, I know that there's
the TGA rules and we can't like it's hard. But
then that is another issue, isn't it. What skin concerns
are use sing most frequently in consultations right now, and
how much of social media influenced that.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
So people are very obsessed with skin, but they always
have been. So vascular stuff, pigment underreyes have always been
huge and they still are. So I don't know what
that's from. I think that's from it being so acceptable
for people to say something, oh, you look tired, so
I think it maybe it comes from that. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
So it just shows like it's one area that if
it's fresh, you look healthier and fresher yeap, Whereas if
you've had a really bad night sleep or too many wines,
you look grim or you.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Just your under eyes are just like that as well.
So that's horrible for those people because people love to
comment on it. So I think that's one of the
bigger one.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Tie that's just my face and what shifts have you
seen in patient expectations over the past five to ten years,
Like I would love to have been a fly on
the wall ten years.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Ago what people would have asked for.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
So I don't think it's getting better. Oh okay, No,
I think the fakery in the before and afters is
pretty awful. That's one good thing about Australia. Yes, it's
one decent thing. We couldn't get away what the international
doctors and injectors do. It couldn't happen here.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, and for anyone playing along at home and you
don't know what we're talking about. It's when places will
pop up a photo before and after a specific treatment,
but the results are just like they choose. If they're
posting it, they're choosing the most drastic, insanely incredible result
that they've had. Plus it's like generally it's really fluffed up,
(06:48):
like they might have had other things done. They might
have been a little bit of retouching here or there.
It's just, yeah, I never ever believed before and now
you can't.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
You can't. And the other thing is the celebrity stuff.
So you know, Chris Jenna with a face app kiss
level four looked on as a facelift result. It's not.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
No, it's lighting, isn't it. And it's everything and retouching
and only being taken from certain angles, Like yeah, if
you look closely.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
She doesn't look like a thirty five year old the
way that she does well, how she likes to be presented,
I guess. And there's so much misinformation floating around about
cosmetic procedures on social media. What would you say are
the biggest myths that you're constantly like, Oh, oh, there's
a few triggers for me. It's devices lifting. That's really
(07:38):
an annoying one, Like.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
When someone says that a device will lift, I haven't
even seen that.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Really, Okay, that's really common. Short threads lifting. I think
short threads are amazing. They're so good for the skin,
But do they lift? No, they're my two biggest triggers.
I guess fair enough.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I had the short threads is at pedio threads. Yes,
my god, one of the most painful things I've ever done.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
A lot of bruising, but it's so nice for skin.
They're great, but just not if.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
They're ifation that you're can have a mini face lift.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Basically correct.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, for our listeners who are curious about any cosmetic
procedures but maybe nervous about taking the plunge, what's your
advice for finding the right practitioner.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I would say, don't look on groupon if someone if
you're getting a budget.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Someone that was like you've got a discount on someone
with a needle on your face.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Like step away sis.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah, No, that that's great advice. I think it's really
hard for us. Actually, it's very hard. So we're not
allowed to educate, we're not allowed to say what we do.
It's very hard for patients right now in Australia. So
you know, I can't even give great advice. Maybe the
only advice I can give is you can see the
clinics that are not being compliant with the regulations. So
(09:02):
they're doing things like they're saying the price per unit,
they're saying names they're using.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Still shooting before an afters or showing them.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
There's a debate about them before and afters. I'm not sure.
I can't even work that one out. Using influences for
medical things, you just can't do that. Yeah, testimonials, celebrity
that kind of thing. If they're doing that they're just
not compliant.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
And I think also looking at people that have been
around a long time that hasn't sort of jumped on
a trend and then skidaddled. Also, that's where because you
can't really recommend, and it's hard these days. That's why
it is always helpful word of mouth.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yes, so ask your friends. Ask in the you Beauty
Facebook group.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
There'll be someone that lives in your area that has
a good recommendation, because then you can also trust that
it's a real recommendation, it's not swayed by anything, which
I think is really important when it comes to your face.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, and someone wielding a needle nearrit agreed.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I mean check APRA as well. Obviously.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yes, yes, we'll link that in the show notes if
you're curious.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
So let's talk ingredients.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
What are the key skincare actives that are trending right
now and what actually live up to the hype. And
I also want to chat about exosomes when it comes
to that.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Oh okay, well that's sort of that was one of
the ones I was going to say. So exosomes and
probably PDRN that's another one.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Can you explain what both of them are?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Because I message you about the exosomes because I think
that next year every brand will be coming out with
their version of exosomes, and so far in Australia it's
only you and Dermologica who I've seen use that technology,
which is really cool.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yeah. So xosomes are just tiny messengers that carry things
like growth factors side of coins which will act on
the skin. And PDRN is a different one. So that
PDRN is a polynucleotide and that's you've heard of the
salmon sperm that's a type.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
And actually salmon sperm, well.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
It's salmon DNA, yes, so PDRN is.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
But do they like actually that's I needed to know.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Do they somehow extract the salmon's jizz to then use
for something that's going on your face?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Is that at the root of it?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
So I believe. So, Oh, there's also vegan PDRN as well,
So that's what we use in my brand. So PDRN
is polynucleotides and that's based on DNA, So it's DNA
fragments that are used as building blocks to help other cells.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Okay, yeah, and what about like, what are you most
excited about?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
If you had to pick one out of the show.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Oh both, don't make me choose.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Okay, No, that's fair enough.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
That's a gooan answer because sometimes people just immediately yet
one of the two. And what developments in skincare science
and formulating as a chemist are you most excited about
for the future.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Ah? So, I like experimenting with textures and creating some
the new texturally as well, So that's one aspect. But
probably I've got two things that I've been working on
for AGES that still aren't to market yet, but they're
sort of One of them is a device and the
other one is it's like a combination of a device
(12:27):
and skincare. So I can't say much more about that
because I'm working on it. But yeah, I can't wait
till we can get it for the right costs to
make it sellable access at Oh.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Okay, So stay tuned for twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Issue, maybe twenty twenty seven. Maybe it's not that far
looking out quickly this year, it's true. So let's move
on to your routine and regime because that's what people
really want to know, Like I want to talk about
what you use on your skin and what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Okay, So lovely and fresh.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Thank you. At the moment, I'm recovering from a blative laser,
so I'm being different with my skin care currently than
I usually am.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
What is a blative laser?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Ah, so it's quite an old fashioned treatment.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Is one of those ones where your skin literally is Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
So basically, so I did a combination of a blative
full field resurfacing, which is where you vaporized a layer
of skin.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Oh my god, that sounds painful.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
It's a bit painful, yes, And then I did a
fractionated a bladive laser over the top of it, so
you go a bit deeper, but in a fractionated pattern.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I've thought you just guinea pick things I try, But
there's some things that I just do.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
You wouldn't do that one.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
It depends on downtime, how.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Many needles are involved, how many I will put my
face on theline to try lots of different things.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
It just depends.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Okay, it's a little bit painful, It's okay. It's more
the tedious recovery, which is wearing ointment on your faces.
That's the annoying bit.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, yeah, and how long do you have to do
that for?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
So my downtime for that one was about seven days.
But then my skin's been really sensitive since I did that,
and so I've just been really light with that. I've
just used niacinamide so my let it be, and a
gentle cleanser and Mister Exosome.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
That's it, okay, But usually your skin.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Care usually I'm much more fussy and have a big routine.
So using a Poor Relation first, which is a tona.
Then in the morning, I'll use a Vitamin C. Then
I'll use a moisturizer and a sunscreen of course. Then
at night I'll do a power cleanser. I'll do Poor
(14:44):
Relation again because I love that product, and then I'll
use a niacinamide let it be. I'll use Vitamin Amen
which is a retinol, and then I'll use missrexosome. And
I wish I could use an oil, but I get
greasy hair, so I don't use it. I know it's horrible. Yeah,
And then twice a week I do an overnight mask
(15:07):
that's really powerful, so is very different in the morning.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I've tried your overnight mask. It's incredible, thank you. It's
called date night or something. It's called one night Stand,
One night Stand and cheeky yes. And then I just
do led mask three times a week, ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So you're good and diligent with that.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I do the best I can. I've been better with
it since my blady laser just because I needed healing.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
That's not two. It's not like a twenty one step skincare.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
No, no, no, I couldn't do the.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Thing that isn't yours or if you've ever wanted something,
you've made it.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
There's two things which I want to make something better than.
One is this is terrible blissed decks. I love blissed ecks.
I can't make something better than that. Yes, terrible, Well,
it's just product, it's amazing. And then the other thing
is this green Sea Sea cream, So I love that
as well, which is yeah, they're my challenges. I want
to I want to outdo those two. It's a good
(15:59):
long term goal though.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Really.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Yeah, head, you've made one of the green This discoveries
of all time.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Or a miss? Never again never.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
We always finish every single episode with a hit or miss.
So what is one skincare technique or ingredient that you
absolutely love and you think everyone should try it or
get it on their face?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Hmmm. It depends. Everyone's different, So I think if it
was everyone, I would say exosome but missed exosome. But
if it's for nonsensitive people, a good retinol is important,
and of course sunscreen everyone should be using that, and
also oral nicotinamide for those who've had a history of
(16:50):
skin cancer as well. What's that it's vitamin B three
and it'll reduce your risk of having further skin cancers. Oh,
for those with a history of skin cancer. So it's
really really important.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Okay, that's a very cool tip.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
And what on the flip side, what is something like
a trend or ingredient or treatment that you know people
are talking about all over the TikTok and everything that
you just think, oh, for goodness sake.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Oh please, no, no, no, stop the milana tan, stop
the tanning crap, all of that.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Yeah, fact that it's.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Back people showing off their tan line.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah no, that's really sad. Just stop.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Did we learn nothing?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, it's really sad. Stop it. You'll regret it.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
It doesn't look good as well.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
It's just why.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, I could not agree more like it's just so pointless. Well,
thank you so much. For coming on You Beauty. We
really appreciate.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Your wise words.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Thank you, thanks for having.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Me Kelly anytime.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Well, that's it for today, and thank you so much
for listening or watching to this episode of You Beauty.
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Speaker 1 (18:06):
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Speaker 2 (18:08):
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the show notes. This episode of You Beauty was produced
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Malina Cacciotti on video editing.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Thank you for joining me
You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
that this podcast is recorded.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
On Makeup is My Therapy. I'm in love, I'm obsessed,
and I don't even feel guilty of body.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Welcome to you Beauty, the podcast for your Face.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I'm Kelly McCarran, and this is the formula.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Every week, I chat to all sorts of celebs, experts,
and the biggest names in beauty to dissect what's happening
in the industry right now, and we take a sneak
peek into their bathroom cabinets to see what they're using
and why.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Fun Fun, Fun, Fun found fun. Can't say that I often.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Have a boring day on the job. Now, if you've
been on social media lately, you've probably noticed something pretty refreshing.
Celebrities are finally getting real about their cosmetic procedures.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Gone to the days of I just drink lots of
water and shmear olive.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Oil all over my face, and hello to honest conversations
about tweakments, injectables and everything in between. Today, I'm joined
by the incredible doctor Naomi, a leading cosmetic physician who's
been at the forefront of this transparency movement.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
She's not only helping our clients.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Achieve their esthetic goals, but also encouraging honest conversations about
what's actually possible with.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Modern cosmetic medicine.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
We're diving deep into why celebs are suddenly spilling the
tea on their procedures and what's driving this shift towards
authenticity and the skincare ingredients that are absolutely dominating right now.
Doctor Naomi, welcome to the formula.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
You have such beautiful skilled But how.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
So in case anyone was living under a rock and
for some reason not following you on social media, because
you're one of the funniest people that you know, what
you are what social media is for just being silly
and posting silliness.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Oh but you'll also.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Post other stuff as well, but like just keeping the
humor very important seems to be lost sometimes these days.
But that was just seat Tangent already warned you that
I just end up on Tangents.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
So can you start by giving us a bit of a.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Background on who you are and how you started everything?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Okay, so I started as a cosmetic doctor in nineteen
ninety nine, so long time ago, I.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
What is a cosmetic doctor?
Speaker 3 (02:38):
So I'm a non surgical cosmetic doctor. So basically do
everything in aesthetics that's non surgical.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
You're not doing breasts, oh no boob jobs, but you're
doing tweakments as I call exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yep. So started my own clinic in two thousand and two.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Is that the mans like? Is that what the man say?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Oh wow, that's so cool old yeah wow. Well it's
very well established and trusted.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
And then you ended up deciding to launch into your
own skincare.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yes, I also became a cosmetic chemist and have my
own skincare brand.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
That's very cool. And what year was that?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
So we launched the brand four years ago. We just
had our fourth birthday.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I remember coming to one of the launch events at
the Man's. It was thank you for coming, it's so good,
and I just I think that's when I was like,
oh my god, I love that woman.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
She's so fabulous.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Because you're wearing this really cool like pink track set ah,
And I was like thinking to myself, oh, because I
love color.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
And I love fun clothes, and I was like, oh,
I love that.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I'm going to ask her when it must stop the
courage and ask her where she gets she got it from?
And I was like, oh my god, like, thank you
so much, like for having me lover, where.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Did you get your round me from?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
And you're like tom Ford and I was like, oh, yeah, okay, yeah, listen,
no that's not within my budget. But I just adored, like, yeah,
you're wearing a fabulous tom Ford track set. Why not?
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Thank you, Pink, I love it.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
As someone who works with high profile cis, have you
noticed a difference in how people are going to approach
cosmetic procedures now that there's less stigma about getting them.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I do think there's a lot less stigma. And the
things I've noticed are people just aren't as secretive in general,
there's not as many people hiding it from their husbands.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
When people did.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
That, I was always like, red flag, why are you
hiding that? Who cares what you spend your heart ened
money on?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah? Because I've done it for so long, I've watched
how the media responded to it in the past as well.
So the media was really anti cosmetic treatments, even.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Every female at least and some of the men that
were in the media were getting it done.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yes, So that makes it easier on everyone, and.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
It's also then just not secretive. Oh what did you
get down that you look so fresh? I'm like, oh,
I had this done. I mean, I know that there's
the TGA rules and we can't like it's hard. But
then that is another issue, isn't it. What skin concerns
are use sing most frequently in consultations right now, and
how much of social media influenced that.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
So people are very obsessed with skin, but they always
have been. So vascular stuff, pigment underreyes have always been
huge and they still are. So I don't know what
that's from. I think that's from it being so acceptable
for people to say something, oh, you look tired, so
I think it maybe it comes from that. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
So it just shows like it's one area that if
it's fresh, you look healthier and fresher yeap, Whereas if
you've had a really bad night sleep or too many wines,
you look grim or you.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Just your under eyes are just like that as well.
So that's horrible for those people because people love to
comment on it. So I think that's one of the
bigger one.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Tie that's just my face and what shifts have you
seen in patient expectations over the past five to ten years,
Like I would love to have been a fly on
the wall ten years.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Ago what people would have asked for.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
So I don't think it's getting better. Oh okay, No,
I think the fakery in the before and afters is
pretty awful. That's one good thing about Australia. Yes, it's
one decent thing. We couldn't get away what the international
doctors and injectors do. It couldn't happen here.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah, and for anyone playing along at home and you
don't know what we're talking about. It's when places will
pop up a photo before and after a specific treatment,
but the results are just like they choose. If they're
posting it, they're choosing the most drastic, insanely incredible result
that they've had. Plus it's like generally it's really fluffed up,
(06:48):
like they might have had other things done. They might
have been a little bit of retouching here or there.
It's just, yeah, I never ever believed before and now
you can't.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
You can't. And the other thing is the celebrity stuff.
So you know, Chris Jenna with a face app kiss
level four looked on as a facelift result. It's not.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
No, it's lighting, isn't it. And it's everything and retouching
and only being taken from certain angles, Like yeah, if
you look closely.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
She doesn't look like a thirty five year old the
way that she does well, how she likes to be presented,
I guess. And there's so much misinformation floating around about
cosmetic procedures on social media. What would you say are
the biggest myths that you're constantly like, Oh, oh, there's
a few triggers for me. It's devices lifting. That's really
(07:38):
an annoying one, Like.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
When someone says that a device will lift, I haven't
even seen that.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Really, Okay, that's really common. Short threads lifting. I think
short threads are amazing. They're so good for the skin,
But do they lift? No, they're my two biggest triggers.
I guess fair enough.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I had the short threads is at pedio threads. Yes,
my god, one of the most painful things I've ever done.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
A lot of bruising, but it's so nice for skin.
They're great, but just not if.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
They're ifation that you're can have a mini face lift.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Basically correct.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, for our listeners who are curious about any cosmetic
procedures but maybe nervous about taking the plunge, what's your
advice for finding the right practitioner.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I would say, don't look on groupon if someone if
you're getting a budget.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Someone that was like you've got a discount on someone
with a needle on your face.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Like step away sis.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Yeah, No, that that's great advice. I think it's really
hard for us. Actually, it's very hard. So we're not
allowed to educate, we're not allowed to say what we do.
It's very hard for patients right now in Australia. So
you know, I can't even give great advice. Maybe the
only advice I can give is you can see the
clinics that are not being compliant with the regulations. So
(09:02):
they're doing things like they're saying the price per unit,
they're saying names they're using.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Still shooting before an afters or showing them.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
There's a debate about them before and afters. I'm not sure.
I can't even work that one out. Using influences for
medical things, you just can't do that. Yeah, testimonials, celebrity
that kind of thing. If they're doing that they're just
not compliant.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
And I think also looking at people that have been
around a long time that hasn't sort of jumped on
a trend and then skidaddled. Also, that's where because you
can't really recommend, and it's hard these days. That's why
it is always helpful word of mouth.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yes, so ask your friends. Ask in the you Beauty
Facebook group.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
There'll be someone that lives in your area that has
a good recommendation, because then you can also trust that
it's a real recommendation, it's not swayed by anything, which
I think is really important when it comes to your face.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, and someone wielding a needle nearrit agreed.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I mean check APRA as well. Obviously.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yes, yes, we'll link that in the show notes if
you're curious.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
So let's talk ingredients.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
What are the key skincare actives that are trending right
now and what actually live up to the hype. And
I also want to chat about exosomes when it comes
to that.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Oh okay, well that's sort of that was one of
the ones I was going to say. So exosomes and
probably PDRN that's another one.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Can you explain what both of them are?
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Because I message you about the exosomes because I think
that next year every brand will be coming out with
their version of exosomes, and so far in Australia it's
only you and Dermologica who I've seen use that technology,
which is really cool.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yeah. So xosomes are just tiny messengers that carry things
like growth factors side of coins which will act on
the skin. And PDRN is a different one. So that
PDRN is a polynucleotide and that's you've heard of the
salmon sperm that's a type.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
And actually salmon sperm, well.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
It's salmon DNA, yes, so PDRN is.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
But do they like actually that's I needed to know.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Do they somehow extract the salmon's jizz to then use
for something that's going on your face?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Is that at the root of it?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
So I believe. So, Oh, there's also vegan PDRN as well,
So that's what we use in my brand. So PDRN
is polynucleotides and that's based on DNA, So it's DNA
fragments that are used as building blocks to help other cells.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Okay, yeah, and what about like, what are you most
excited about?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
If you had to pick one out of the show.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Oh both, don't make me choose.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Okay, No, that's fair enough.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
That's a gooan answer because sometimes people just immediately yet
one of the two. And what developments in skincare science
and formulating as a chemist are you most excited about
for the future.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Ah? So, I like experimenting with textures and creating some
the new texturally as well, So that's one aspect. But
probably I've got two things that I've been working on
for AGES that still aren't to market yet, but they're
sort of One of them is a device and the
other one is it's like a combination of a device
(12:27):
and skincare. So I can't say much more about that
because I'm working on it. But yeah, I can't wait
till we can get it for the right costs to
make it sellable access at Oh.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Okay, So stay tuned for twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Issue, maybe twenty twenty seven. Maybe it's not that far
looking out quickly this year, it's true. So let's move
on to your routine and regime because that's what people
really want to know, Like I want to talk about
what you use on your skin and what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Okay, So lovely and fresh.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Thank you. At the moment, I'm recovering from a blative laser,
so I'm being different with my skin care currently than
I usually am.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
What is a blative laser?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Ah, so it's quite an old fashioned treatment.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Is one of those ones where your skin literally is Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
So basically, so I did a combination of a blative
full field resurfacing, which is where you vaporized a layer
of skin.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Oh my god, that sounds painful.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
It's a bit painful, yes, And then I did a
fractionated a bladive laser over the top of it, so
you go a bit deeper, but in a fractionated pattern.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I've thought you just guinea pick things I try, But
there's some things that I just do.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
You wouldn't do that one.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
It depends on downtime, how.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Many needles are involved, how many I will put my
face on theline to try lots of different things.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
It just depends.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Okay, it's a little bit painful, It's okay. It's more
the tedious recovery, which is wearing ointment on your faces.
That's the annoying bit.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, yeah, and how long do you have to do
that for?
Speaker 3 (14:06):
So my downtime for that one was about seven days.
But then my skin's been really sensitive since I did that,
and so I've just been really light with that. I've
just used niacinamide so my let it be, and a
gentle cleanser and Mister Exosome.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
That's it, okay, But usually your skin.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Care usually I'm much more fussy and have a big routine.
So using a Poor Relation first, which is a tona.
Then in the morning, I'll use a Vitamin C. Then
I'll use a moisturizer and a sunscreen of course. Then
at night I'll do a power cleanser. I'll do Poor
(14:44):
Relation again because I love that product, and then I'll
use a niacinamide let it be. I'll use Vitamin Amen
which is a retinol, and then I'll use missrexosome. And
I wish I could use an oil, but I get
greasy hair, so I don't use it. I know it's horrible. Yeah,
And then twice a week I do an overnight mask
(15:07):
that's really powerful, so is very different in the morning.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
I've tried your overnight mask. It's incredible, thank you. It's
called date night or something. It's called one night Stand,
One night Stand and cheeky yes. And then I just
do led mask three times a week, ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So you're good and diligent with that.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I do the best I can. I've been better with
it since my blady laser just because I needed healing.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
That's not two. It's not like a twenty one step skincare.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
No, no, no, I couldn't do the.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Thing that isn't yours or if you've ever wanted something,
you've made it.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
There's two things which I want to make something better than.
One is this is terrible blissed decks. I love blissed ecks.
I can't make something better than that. Yes, terrible, Well,
it's just product, it's amazing. And then the other thing
is this green Sea Sea cream, So I love that
as well, which is yeah, they're my challenges. I want
to I want to outdo those two. It's a good
(15:59):
long term goal though.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Really.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Yeah, head, you've made one of the green This discoveries
of all time.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Or a miss? Never again never.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
We always finish every single episode with a hit or miss.
So what is one skincare technique or ingredient that you
absolutely love and you think everyone should try it or
get it on their face?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Hmmm. It depends. Everyone's different, So I think if it
was everyone, I would say exosome but missed exosome. But
if it's for nonsensitive people, a good retinol is important,
and of course sunscreen everyone should be using that, and
also oral nicotinamide for those who've had a history of
(16:50):
skin cancer as well. What's that it's vitamin B three
and it'll reduce your risk of having further skin cancers. Oh,
for those with a history of skin cancer. So it's
really really important.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Okay, that's a very cool tip.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
And what on the flip side, what is something like
a trend or ingredient or treatment that you know people
are talking about all over the TikTok and everything that
you just think, oh, for goodness sake.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Oh please, no, no, no, stop the milana tan, stop
the tanning crap, all of that.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Yeah, fact that it's.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Back people showing off their tan line.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah no, that's really sad. Just stop.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Did we learn nothing?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yeah, it's really sad. Stop it. You'll regret it.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
It doesn't look good as well.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
It's just why.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, I could not agree more like it's just so pointless. Well,
thank you so much. For coming on You Beauty. We
really appreciate.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Your wise words.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Thank you, thanks for having.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Me Kelly anytime.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Well, that's it for today, and thank you so much
for listening or watching to this episode of You Beauty.
If you enjoyed this episode, check us out on Instagram
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Speaker 1 (18:06):
On our YouTube channel.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
We now have brand new episoisodes dropping every Monday, Tuesday,
and Friday, and a new makeup series with Sarah Marie
dropping on Wednesdays too. Links to everything will be in
the show notes. This episode of You Beauty was produced
by Molly Harwood, with audio production by Tiagan Sadla and
Malina Cacciotti on video editing.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Thank you for joining me
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