September 22, 2025 • 30 mins
She's the British style guru who told millions of women "what not to wear," but now Trinny Woodall is revealing the secrets to her famously flawless skin. This week on The Formula, we're getting the full story of how she went from a TV icon to a global beauty founder, building an empire on the philosophy of “skin first, makeup second.”
We also uncover the truths behind her viral Match2Me algorithm and the biggest beauty mistakes we've all been making. Trinny is sharing the beauty trends she'd ban forever, the one product that took 57 attempts to perfect, and the exclusive details of what's really inside her bathroom cabinet. Get ready to take some serious notes.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
that this podcast is recorded.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
On Makeup is My Therapy.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
I'm in love, I'm obsessed, and I don't even feel
guilty about it.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hello, and welcome to you, beauty. This is the podcast
for your face. I'm Kelly McCarran and welcome to the formula. Okay,
picture this ubs. You've built a global reputation for telling
women exactly what they need to hear, not what they
want to hear, from what not to where to millions
of social media follows who trust you with all things
(00:52):
fashion and beauty. Yes, I'm sure you're just as excited
as me to hear from the icon that is Trinny Woodall.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
You're such beautiful skill.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
But how.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
So, Trinny, you've spent the last few decades helping women
find their personal style. How has your personal style evolved
over the time and how has it changed through your
different eras that you've had.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I think that sort of teens was discovery, like most people,
on both how I dressed and then I got acne.
So also with my sort of how I presented myself
the outside world was really that self confidence was hindered
by feeling people talk to my spots, so I would
do things in my style to counteract it, so you know.
(01:44):
And at the same time, I also discovered a store
that you know now as old fashion but then were
so innovative, caught Benetton and it had all this color
and I loved the color.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I love that concept of color.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
And the first, you know, I had this yellow twin set,
so weird when I discovered I loved yellow. But it
gave me this communication with other people a bit too.
So it's always had a really big impact. And sometimes
I've been appalling me on stylation, warn the worst fake
tan and the most terrible makeup, and had a really
(02:14):
bad skincare routine, and then it's got better.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
And then I've had another stage.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
You know, like all of us, we have this breakthrough
and we get into ourselves and we get in the groove,
and then we have another moment of filtering.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I call it a flop error, a.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Flop error, and we just need to rethink our routine.
So it goes across everything. It goes across your skincare,
your makeup, and how you put yourself together.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
So you know, for me, everything in a way is.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Culminated with starting twenty London because it's sort of brought
that together of how can we present ourselves to the
world and feel good.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I love that and I completely agree because I think
there are just so many different times where you might
feel like you're trying to hide yourself more as well,
especially if you have acne. I had awful acne in
my twenties, yeah, teenager and then twenties, and I feel
like lots of photos I've.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Got my hair, yeah, met and I'm wearing.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Hats and such because I just felt so uncomfortable in
my skin. So you started trinny London because you were
actually decanting products yourself, like at home, you're pulling them
out of different parts because you want to take everything out.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Sort of two things.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
One is that I led a life where a portability
was important. And also I was never happy with what
I was sold in its entirety, so when that was
skincare or makeup, so I was you know, I used
to do it with skincare too, that I would sort
of put retinoids into my body lotions and I would
(03:43):
you know, take vitamin c and dilute it or make it,
you know, just kind of I liked playing in my
bathroom and then looking at what impact things had, and
then the same with color, and especially also with what
I call now hybrids, because I would take my skin
care and I would add in some color, and that's
(04:04):
in a way what became one of our cart products
of BFF skin effector because I would think, you know,
SPF you never wanted to put on because it was
always such a horrible formula and it's evolved a lot
since then, but then it was and then you kind
of you had to layer then with foundation, or then
you decided instead I want to be glowy, and none
of them could be one thing. So I thought, let
me do all one thing. And you know, at that time,
(04:27):
to me, SPF two was like the medicine. It wasn't
the sweetie.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
It wasn't fun.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
No, it wasn't fun, and it was kind of, yes,
it was an afterthought a bit, but I also really
had seen the damage of sun and I wanted to
start to get women to understand that sense of protection.
So you know, when I had done this myself, it
was for me to make something I could wear that
would give me a protection but feel that my skin
looked good because sps had always made my skin feel
(04:53):
it looked matt and flat and had had the life
taken out of it. So that was that mixology I'd
done in the bathroom, which then gave me the inspiration
for a lot of things which became formulas at Treney London.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
And I guess making things that you wanted because you assumed, well,
surely other women other people want this too. Yeah, and
since you begin, how have you seen the beauty industry
as a whole change and evolve and do you think cutely?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
I mean in interesting ways. You know, not all of
them positive, that's the influences. But I think that the
positive thing is what you can really do with ingredients
today because we have our own lab, so we research
ingredients from scratch and we find very innovative ingredients. And
(05:40):
you know, there's things that are trends, like the peptide
trend and the mini protein trend and the exome trend,
and then there's really getting into the detail of what
actually is the point of that ingredient or that delivery
method that you could utilize with a really good ingredient,
and then it's discovering a lab that might make that
(06:01):
singular ingredient and then reading the clinical trup so of
that side of it I adore because I think then
you can make a difference, which twenty years ago you
couldn't if you bought a cream. It was always about
the amount of And this still applies to day so much,
and I find it quite amusing, and even I find
it in some people who are experiencing in beauty industry
is they'll, you know, go like that with the cream
and they'll go, that's such a good cream. All I'm
(06:22):
doing right now, by the way, for those only watching
is just rubbing it on they go, or they'll go
they'll sniff it and go, that's such a good cream.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
And I'm like, you just sniffed it. You just like
the fragrance, has a fragrance in.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Oh, you just like the feel the feel of it.
You don't know if it's a good cream or not.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
So I say, you don't know, Yeah, take it and
try it and then come back to me. And so
we don't start that way either, because a lot of
people start with a they'll either white label or they'll
start with a nice chass I call it a chassis,
and then they'll put in ingredients and we start with
the raw ingredient and then we build around it. So
we think of, you know, a task of something we
(06:57):
want to solve, and then we think of what are
the ingredients we'd love to put in it, and then
we start playing with those ingredients. We see if there's
frenemies or enemies, because some ingredients don't like each other,
you know, like vitamincy and retinoise I don't love each other,
and they also degrade their efficacy, so in you know,
the most strenuous one was probably we did an I
(07:18):
treatment court take a back time, and I'd always disliked
I creams because I once when I was beauty journalists,
I interviewed a plastic surgeont and he had said that
when he lifted up with his pass the concept, he
had found this deposit, this fatue deposit under their eyes
and he thought, I wonder how much of that contribution
is from so much oil heavy are going through their
skin and that puffiness that they want to get rid
(07:40):
of is only being exaggerated by the types of icream
they're using.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And I thought, I.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Will never use an I cream and then I got
to a stage because some things come from personal like
and other things come from my feeling we should develop
this now. But with the cream, it was definitely that
feeling of you know, I'm starting to get criss cross lines,
and I thought, what do I want to do most
with an eye? And I thought, everyone knows they want
(08:04):
to they want to slightly get rid of that criscross line.
But also if I could lift the eyelid a tiny bit,
that would be great, because we feel our eyes closed
in on us and become smaller in our face as
we go down the path of life. So there was
some ingredients at the time we'd been looking at called
mini proteins. It's a type of peptide. It's a slightly
different molecule size. It works in a different way, but
(08:25):
the result of its sort of prevented more lines forming,
and it is literally by the fact that it's a
larger size peptide.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
It's going to feed the amino acids.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
It's going to be sort of more powerful form of
rebuilding some collagen and lastain, which is going to then
plump up your lines and make your skin look better.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
But it has a really good delivery system and the
way it works.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So it's not going to puff up your and your eyes.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
And then I saw what other ingredients I want to
go in there, and so we kind of knew what
we want to achieve. We'd read the clinical on the
mini protein. We then put other ingredients in it that
we really liked, and it kept falling apart like a mayonnaise.
You know, it's sort of split because some ingredients don't
like each other, and.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
So it splits split.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Fifty seven incarnations later, we then had the right formula
and then went in you know, we're looking at the
consistency and stuff, and then after that you do your
compatibility testing. So that then takes and so with this
has been a year and a half, right, then you
do compatibility testing that then takes even accelerator, which means
that you sort of put it under extreme conditions like
(09:31):
really make it heat, really cold, you throw it around
a lot, and then you start checking it on women's skin.
So when we do clinical trial, we do from twenty
year olds to seventy five year olds. You know, we
might take ninety people, but were really specific in who
those people are.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
We take people with.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Skin sensitivity, somebody you might have been allergic to one
of the ingredients we have in it. You know, just
literally test test test and it passed, which is great.
And then you do consument trials after that, you know,
and you start to.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
No idea how much goes into the launch these amazing
violence like they just think, you go, you know what,
I'd quite like to make an eye product. Let's release something.
And then a few months latter there No, that's so involved.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
There is so much involved.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I mean, the thing is it can go either way,
because you can do it many different ways. And there's
many big houses in France and Italy that will have
a nice basic formulation and somebody comes along and says,
can I add in my fragrance and some nice marketing
levels of ingredients and put their name on it. So
a lot of products made that way, and they're very
nice and you have them in your bathroom and you
try them and they feel lovely, and they might be basic,
(10:35):
good formulations from formulation houses.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
But I never want to do skincare that way. You know.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
I knew I didn't because I had tried so much
stuff and I felt I'd brought into a marketing dream there,
or I brought into something raw that was just too
unstable there. You know, it's like spent a few years. Yeah,
I did, I knew it.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I didn't want so much. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
You are quite open about being opposed to the anti
aging movements.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, which we love.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
So what's your stance on aging and how we as
consumers can change the way that we think about and
how we're being marketed.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
I think that what was interesting I had this conversation
with beauty journalists this morning at breakfast, because they've gone
to a lot of press things recently where it's like longevity.
You know, they're just taking the word from the supplements
industry frankly, and I think that's like not the new
word for antie. I hate the word anti aging, and
I don't like the word pro aging because what it's doing,
it's like saying I'm happy I'm aging. You know, there
(11:38):
are some women thinking fuck another line. But I also
believe that if one honestly looks in the mirror, you
only notice the other line.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
If you feel tired.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Oh, you know, if you feel full of energy and
really kind of awakened by life. It doesn't matter if
you have another line or not. It it's irrelevant you
see life differently. So for us, it's how do we
make a woman feel full of energy? And how do
we give her things that will give her skin energy,
you know, And that's kind of how we believe in
(12:10):
a skincare philosophy. So I have, you know, saying on
my Instagram. My daughter finds it cringey, but I do
believe it strongly, and I go, age is irrelevant.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
It's about the energy you bring.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Oh, I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
So I think that's how I look at it. And
I think there's other words we've used occasionally as a
brand which only are relevant for a certain age group.
So we talk about agelessness, but that's kind of you know,
if you're thirty, you might cringe at that, and if
you're fifty, you'll go, yeah, I want to be ageless.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
It has a different meaning for different people. So I just.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Feel that we want to give you solutions to how
you feel about your skin, but we're not judging you
by your age.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, you know, No, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
And I think ageless is so true now more than ever,
because sometimes I've got absolutely no idea.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, I'm like, you could be twenty five or fifty five.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I Actually that's so true.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
When I turned sixty, I remember I saw on this
morning show and somebody he's really a lovely guy, but
I just pulled him off on it. He said, try,
you looks so so amazing for your age. Okay, Ryan,
you could stop it.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
You just look so amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
I meet lots of women and they sometimes say, I'm
using your products and guess how old I am, you know,
because they want to show me look how much younger
I look because I'm using your products, and and I
go I sometimes would guess. And other times when they
say guess my age, I'll say I don't want to
because it's like, you just look somebody who's full of
energy and a life, and that's all I need to
know exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And you've got beautiful skin. It doesn't matter how old
you are. Maybe we should start doing it to the
twenty year olds.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Maybe.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
I mean, the thing is, we could talk about that now,
because I am so there's two or three things that
really upset not upset me, but just I find challenging
in the kind of younger beauty consumer space, which is
way too many ingredients for ages of skin. So like
using the scene, it's like whoa. And then there's kind
(14:03):
of beef tallow slugging, you know, things that you're going
to just you're just going to populate acting on skin
that's quite oily and it's got really active sabacious glands.
And you know, Lina came back and she was like,
what are you doing pief tallo TikTok saying, and I'm like, Lila,
this is like bovine collagen, which won't go in skin anyway.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
It's just going to block your poorn. No.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
So you're known for championing skin first. Make up.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Second, what is one skincare rule or makeup rule really
that you think everyone probably should break that you see.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I mean i'd say something that in makeup, I would say,
where the foundation the color of your skin.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Don't buy a foundation for the color is your skin you.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Wish it to be, which is what lots of people
do because they feel I'd like to be a bit
more tanned or just feel a bit more you know whatever.
But it's going to make me notice the foundation more.
And you know, if it's really the color of your skin,
then you can build on other stuff.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
So that's a big one.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
And also start where you have something you most want
to cover a lot of people just you see on
the Gram and TikTok, they're just start at their cheeks
and that's usually if somebody needs a least amount, and
I start in that te zone where there's a little
an evenness or a little redness. So that's my kind
of makeup moment. And I think with skin care, it's
your best friend. Skin is not your skin, and so
(15:22):
many people buy something because their best friend goes, this
is amazing, and they buy it. Some people don't really
know as much as they might think they know.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
They think they know a lot because of TikTok and
Facebook and that they read an article that they don't
actually and then they're sort of passing on advice that
might not necessarily be accurate, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Or using something for their skin which they shouldn't use.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Because you and I had that sort of acne journey,
so we always felt on the past discovery's pay. Why
you became you know, a use direct because interesting Susanna,
who I work with for many years, had the skin
like peaches and cream, classic baby skin. So for her,
she'd you know, would where everywhere around the world will
work here happened to you and then she'd like have
a drink or drinks and then go to bed in
(16:06):
her makeup, get out next morning, and she'd watch as
she was falling asleep, and you were spending twenty minutes
getting ready for the evening.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I mean, that's so much time. What are you doing?
You know?
Speaker 4 (16:16):
And I was obsessive, and I thought, you know, sometimes
I thought, God, I'm so like but I just I
wanted to look after her skin. Anyway, she turned us
out in age and she caught me up. She went,
torn me, what the fuck give me the list? My
face fallen apart, literally, And there are so I think
there's two extreme variations of women. There's people who experiment
(16:36):
with every single thing because they've had to go through
roseta or some inflammation of the skin. And then there's
people have had immaculate skin and then overnight it's like
the Nora Efron book, What Happened to my neck?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
You know, it's like, oh, and.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
They're asking their other friends please help, because I've got
no idea what's going on? Can you please tell us
more about the match to me for makeup and skin
get How does it actually work?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Well?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
It started off when I was starting the business that well.
Even before then, when I was doing TV in different countries,
every makeup artist would do the same look, you know,
and they would it could be somebody of eighteen or
seventeen with a different skin, hair and eye and always
you know, when we were building out for the Catwalk
Show and there were like twenty women in the room
and it was frenetic, and I'll go and I think,
oh fuck, all in action, all read littlebol and I'd like,
(17:23):
look at the skin hare and I she suits it,
but she doesn't suit it. And there was this sort
of over the years of this, which is about five
years doing the show. When I was testing all the
makeup and the colors, I had this big graph on
the wall and I had people come in and they
would I take a polar I'd put them on and
think what do they suit? So of the eighty colors
were going to produce what are their best and what
(17:43):
are their worst? And then it was the process of
elimination patterns emerge and then we put that into an algorithm.
So for makeup then it was this thing of your
colors that you suit is really about the combination your skin, hair,
and eye, and that puts you from cool, call neutral
neutral neutral, more warmth and then it makes it simple.
And then about a year ago we added to the
makeup match to me the colors you suit for clothing,
(18:05):
because lots of people were saying, you know, I want
to get ready with you in the morning, so can
you tell me more. And in a book I did
last year called Feel Us, I had done some more
stuff on color. So then it shows you the color
you suit on your clothing, and if you like that color, you.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Click on it.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Because we don't all like the rainbow of colors. You know,
it shows you complemented in contrasting. So trying to teach
you about color is really important for me, you know
that just that tell me how to put the balance
if I wear a red lip, should I wear a
pinky blusher or lots of bush or no blusher?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
You know that stuff.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
So on skincare different slightly still taking many women. So
we took a lot of women that we were doing
clinicals on for all the products we were developing, because
they're all over a few years developed, and looked at
what are the different things that come up, you know,
sort of from the effect hormones on you, the effect
of your age, your ethnicity, your kind of tendency of
how you've had your skin diagnosed. Because you know, somebody
(19:01):
comes up to me and goes, I got a combination skin,
and I go, you're driving hydrated. How on earth did
you get that definition? And I said, what do you
think combination means? And they go really dry or just normal?
And I go, no, it doesn't mean that. So we
put a combination and what it means, and then there's
a video if you think I don't know what it means.
So I think skincare is really really confusing for people,
(19:21):
and you have to deal with the breadth of somebody
who's literally grown up with wash their faces soap and
put some moisturizer on, maybe some SPF two.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I love the Korean seventh seventh step.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
And the ten year olds are using written now.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Well they're not. Please don't come to that our side,
because don't okay. In fact, I think we don't let
you put an agent that's under twenty one or so,
you know, literally, and so in this, you know, in
this kind of thing you fill in, we say what
are the three things that really you look at? And
you think I want to deal with that. So it
might be you look and all you see is your
dark circle, or you look in all you see as malasmo,
So what are those three? And then it makes you
(19:53):
focus on what are those three? And then in another
thing we say, of those three, which one is like
the one that never goes away?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Simplifying it for people.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Yeah, and then you can think, you know, I've only
got this much money per month. So and a lot
of people have said in my routine, what's the thing
that will really change? And I'm like, I can't tell
you that until I know what's the most important thing
to you as well.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
So, because it's different for.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Everyone, and even if you can't afford to buy from us,
we put in why we chose that for you and
what ingredients in it are relevant to your problem. So
it's a form of education too.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Because they could then they could then like, if they're.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Thinking, I don't have the money, go and find something
where you can buy some singular ingredients that you know
will have a positive effect on your skin that.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Is really brilliant and so useful for everyone.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely going to do it for the colors.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Can we talk about achieving the perfect glow, because you
say that women either go way too glowy or completely matt.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
How do you find that sweet spot? Is there a
rule that we could all follow. I'm definitely a two
glowy gal because I love it.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I love glow.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
I think it depends the decade in which you learned
to do make up, because if you were sort of
a nineties girl, maybe it was really Matt and Naught
easily begun to have that experience of highlight or and glow.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
But for me, it's that it reflects light.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Glow reflects light, and if it hasn't got micker in it,
and it's glow from actual skink ingredients and not from highlighter,
and you can get that on your skin first, that's fantastic.
But if you have a skin that feels it needs
to look like it has a great skin carotine, then
it's about getting ingredients that are very There's a sheene,
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but not a shimmer on cheeks. So I don't like
where you see the products particles. I like that when
you turn you have that really wonderful catch, the sense
of the glow on their skin. If skin is reflecting light,
it's because it's healthy skin.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
So we associate it with healthiness and vitality and vitality
and life.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
If you could create a what not to wear equivalent
for beauty trends, like a beauty trend intervention, Now what
trend would you ban?
Speaker 1 (22:01):
And why you can have a few or few?
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Okay, beauty trend intervention slugging beef tallow kind of you
know when people do these really complex things on TikTok
about how to put your makeup on, you know, and
using crazy tool you know, like kitchen utensils to make
a line like just you know.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
They're doing it for the views. There are sure they're
sitting at home.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Actually I'm sure they're not.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
And there's a very funny womanhere you work with called
Jenevieve Turley, and she's she's been a nurse and then
she started doing makeup. She's really such a sweet one,
but she takes a piss out of those TikTok so beautifully.
It's so funny to watch.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
And they're shedding ones in the morning.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Oh my god, I'm going to say into that derma planing.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Oh you don't like it.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
No, Oh, it's shaving, it's shaving, it's cutting your hair raw. Okay,
so it's shaving it. And I think that some people,
when I've sort of been quite vocal about this, they said, oh, yeah,
but it's just taking off the baby fluffy things. But
the thing is that's if you're using it in your thirties.
But if you're using it in your cherrymnopausal menopausal, you've
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got coarse hair there. And if you cut it like
you cut a razor, which is what it is. It's
a blade. You're not pulling it out by the root,
which weakens it and then softens your those little granny
hairs that come in as it were in your forties fifties.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I'm actually I am still in my thirties and shaving
my face.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I didn't think about that.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
I think it's an age thing because I know it's
not great when you get to a different AGEA that.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Actually does make sense, though, but I have already started
getting the little ground that you just feel out of it.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
It's just like you kind of do.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
You find yourself at dinner and you're just going just
like it has to come out.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
As soon as I can feel it.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I'm like, you must come out right now, because I
just can't stop playing with it. And I'm so aware
of all of a sudden and then it's like this awful,
coarse long hair with did you come what's one beauty
trend from the past that you'd love to see make
a comeback?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Oh my god, that's I've never been asked that.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I think when you look at the beauty of nineteen
forties black and white films, which we've seen in that
sort of till release Eldridge thing, you know, there's a
certain ultra feminist thing, and I think it's been done
again with a lot of bronzer, and I loved it
when it was very pad back, and now things are
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slightly blurred, which I like that. There's sometimes that look
has been done with a lot of ronza, and I
think it took away the beauty of the look.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
So let's move into your bathroom cabinet, because you your
skin is just so beautiful.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
I feel it's like had a few tire days, but
thank you.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
No, it's so beautiful. Can you walk us through what's
in your bathroom cabinet and what your routine looks like?
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Okay, so I wherever I am, I take the same thing,
so I never compromise my routine.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
So we do travel.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Stuckible ones, and I love that you're wearing one as
a ring too. Yep, that's but we have skincare ones too,
like that's stack too. So I will always do in
the morning an hapha cleanser, and I'll do it with
a four years sometimes because I like to just leave
it on because it's like a sort of mini mask.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
And then I'll do that.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
And then if I'm traveling, and I do this a
lot more, I take a bucket of ice and I
put my face in the ice.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Ooh, that's one way to wake up.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah, really wakes you up.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
And then sometimes I take some of that extra eyes
and I go in the shower and I do you know,
I just rub it on my skin. And then I
also do the five lymph wake up. So I'll do
the tapping, you know, just just pumping under by your
chest between your chest plate and your clavical and then
I'll go front and back of your lymph nodes around
your ear. I'll do the back just down you know,
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the back of the top of your spine, and then
I'll do under my armpits, stomach, in a thigh and
back of knees. And then I jump for sixty seconds
because it kind of gets your limp flowing.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
So that's why, I guess really gets your heart, so
it just gets the flow of energy going in your body.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
And then I'll do exfoliant PHA in the morning, and
then I do a peptide hyeronic or plump up, which
is one of ours and a new thing I can't
talk about, yeah, which I'm doing, and then if in
some I go straight to SPF. We have one called
See the Light we don't sell here yet, which I
hope we will soon, which is a phenomenal fifty but
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really hydrating. And in the winter I'll do probably one
of our moisturizers and then beff Skin effector, which is
a thirty, and then I just go on to I
might do a lip chicken eye really quickly. I might
do Trinity, which is this kind of stick which is
matt one end and glow the other, depending on how
quick I've then got to get out the house, you know,
And then in the evening I will do double cleansing,
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and it's a ritual. I'll get home and I'll have
that real sense between the mannickness of my day at
the office and then coming back and I'll really take
time and just have that. Even if I'm going up
for dinner, I'll do a cleanse before I go.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Afternner.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
I never if I'm going straight from the office to dinner,
I'll just put BFF all over smudging and it wakes
my face up. But otherwise I'll go home, take everything off,
put it on again, because I just feel it separates
out my day.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
When when you know what you're doing, you can do
it quite. Yeah, it can be some Sometimes people say,
doesn't it take a long time?
Speaker 3 (27:01):
No, four minutes.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I can be very quick if I can also take my.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Time, but yeah, but otherwise I can, And then I
do I alternate every three nights three different things. So
one night I'll do a PHA and then I'll do
some microneedling, and then i'll do plump up, which is
peptides they going deeply, and then maybe I'm going to
be really candid, I'll do if my skin's really very strong,
(27:28):
I'll do a retinoid but it's our overnight clarity, and
then something called alyxia. And then the next night I'll
do an AHA, but I won't do the retinoid and
I won't do the micro needling, and then the third
night I might just do plump up and micro needling.
So for about two months, I'll do this every three
nights micro kneadling, and then I'll stop.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
And do you notice the difference we're doing it?
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Huge difference, especially.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
On places where you really it's very difficult to get
things into your skin, so on your neck because there's
no supacious clans and our next suddenly when we have
hormonial changes, you really like overnight, notice a change. So
if I do, I do this criss crossing with a
zero point five needle on my neck and the roller. Yeah,
we make a micro needle. Oh okay, how we do
(28:13):
with zero point three for America and a zero point
five worldwide here or two? And then I do peptides
because peptides. We have six incredible peptides and they are
I think the best thing post a micro needed want
any fragrance near it or anything. You're creating a channel
for product to go in. But on a zero point five,
I think you're also micro tearing the skin a tiny bit,
so it does that self repair its We only really
(28:35):
produce collagen after our thirties. If we're reacting to you know,
some damage damage to our skin. So on that level,
I think it's fantastic and not to be scared of it.
I don't put huge pressure on it. It's not like
going to a dermatologist and getting them to do it
with a one needle. But it is really really effective.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Do you get the professional needling treatments?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
No?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
I find actually doing it in this routine that I do.
I don't. I haven't had one for about five years.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
If Triny London were a woman at a party, how
would you describe her?
Speaker 4 (29:08):
I would say she's the good, loyal friend to other women,
A girl's girl.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
She's a girl for sure. She is so a girl's girl.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
One last question, and it's a bit of a dream scenario.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
If you could style anyone beauty and fashion dead or alive,
who would it be and why?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I think it's a woman who's gone through a really
tough time and lost herself, and it's not somebody famous
because they can get all the help they need from
somebody else exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, that's such a good answer.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
And as someone who I very much so lost to
myself postpartum, feeling myself come back to life has been
one of the biggest privileges of being myself, if that
makes sense.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, just to find yourself again.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah, Well, thank you so much. I have so many
more questions for you, but you're a very busy woman.
You've spoken to nine hundred how many was it nine hundred?
We are just so grateful that you gave us time
that you VI's a going to just eat this.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
We're going to love it so much.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
So thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Well, thank you so much, Trinny. That was just what
a treat. It was absolutely brilliant. You've given us all
so much to think about. And of course you can
find the Trinny London products and stores across Australia. Now,
if you want to see how good Trinny looks, because
if you had told me that someone would look that
fabulous in like a floro leather, she's outstanding. Please head
(30:34):
on over to our YouTube and have a watch because
she's just incredible and in this conversation as you rethinking
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On Makeup is My Therapy.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
I'm in love, I'm obsessed, and I don't even feel
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hello, and welcome to you, beauty. This is the podcast
for your face. I'm Kelly McCarran and welcome to the formula. Okay,
picture this ubs. You've built a global reputation for telling
women exactly what they need to hear, not what they
want to hear, from what not to where to millions
of social media follows who trust you with all things
(00:52):
fashion and beauty. Yes, I'm sure you're just as excited
as me to hear from the icon that is Trinny Woodall.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
You're such beautiful skill.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
But how.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
So, Trinny, you've spent the last few decades helping women
find their personal style. How has your personal style evolved
over the time and how has it changed through your
different eras that you've had.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
I think that sort of teens was discovery, like most people,
on both how I dressed and then I got acne.
So also with my sort of how I presented myself
the outside world was really that self confidence was hindered
by feeling people talk to my spots, so I would
do things in my style to counteract it, so you know.
(01:44):
And at the same time, I also discovered a store
that you know now as old fashion but then were
so innovative, caught Benetton and it had all this color
and I loved the color.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I love that concept of color.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
And the first, you know, I had this yellow twin set,
so weird when I discovered I loved yellow. But it
gave me this communication with other people a bit too.
So it's always had a really big impact. And sometimes
I've been appalling me on stylation, warn the worst fake
tan and the most terrible makeup, and had a really
(02:14):
bad skincare routine, and then it's got better.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
And then I've had another stage.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
You know, like all of us, we have this breakthrough
and we get into ourselves and we get in the groove,
and then we have another moment of filtering.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I call it a flop error, a.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Flop error, and we just need to rethink our routine.
So it goes across everything. It goes across your skincare,
your makeup, and how you put yourself together.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
So you know, for me, everything in a way is.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
Culminated with starting twenty London because it's sort of brought
that together of how can we present ourselves to the
world and feel good.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I love that and I completely agree because I think
there are just so many different times where you might
feel like you're trying to hide yourself more as well,
especially if you have acne. I had awful acne in
my twenties, yeah, teenager and then twenties, and I feel
like lots of photos I've.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Got my hair, yeah, met and I'm wearing.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Hats and such because I just felt so uncomfortable in
my skin. So you started trinny London because you were
actually decanting products yourself, like at home, you're pulling them
out of different parts because you want to take everything out.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Sort of two things.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
One is that I led a life where a portability
was important. And also I was never happy with what
I was sold in its entirety, so when that was
skincare or makeup, so I was you know, I used
to do it with skincare too, that I would sort
of put retinoids into my body lotions and I would
(03:43):
you know, take vitamin c and dilute it or make it,
you know, just kind of I liked playing in my
bathroom and then looking at what impact things had, and
then the same with color, and especially also with what
I call now hybrids, because I would take my skin
care and I would add in some color, and that's
(04:04):
in a way what became one of our cart products
of BFF skin effector because I would think, you know,
SPF you never wanted to put on because it was
always such a horrible formula and it's evolved a lot
since then, but then it was and then you kind
of you had to layer then with foundation, or then
you decided instead I want to be glowy, and none
of them could be one thing. So I thought, let
me do all one thing. And you know, at that time,
(04:27):
to me, SPF two was like the medicine. It wasn't
the sweetie.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
It wasn't fun.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
No, it wasn't fun, and it was kind of, yes,
it was an afterthought a bit, but I also really
had seen the damage of sun and I wanted to
start to get women to understand that sense of protection.
So you know, when I had done this myself, it
was for me to make something I could wear that
would give me a protection but feel that my skin
looked good because sps had always made my skin feel
(04:53):
it looked matt and flat and had had the life
taken out of it. So that was that mixology I'd
done in the bathroom, which then gave me the inspiration
for a lot of things which became formulas at Treney London.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
And I guess making things that you wanted because you assumed, well,
surely other women other people want this too. Yeah, and
since you begin, how have you seen the beauty industry
as a whole change and evolve and do you think cutely?
Speaker 4 (05:20):
I mean in interesting ways. You know, not all of
them positive, that's the influences. But I think that the
positive thing is what you can really do with ingredients
today because we have our own lab, so we research
ingredients from scratch and we find very innovative ingredients. And
(05:40):
you know, there's things that are trends, like the peptide
trend and the mini protein trend and the exome trend,
and then there's really getting into the detail of what
actually is the point of that ingredient or that delivery
method that you could utilize with a really good ingredient,
and then it's discovering a lab that might make that
(06:01):
singular ingredient and then reading the clinical trup so of
that side of it I adore because I think then
you can make a difference, which twenty years ago you
couldn't if you bought a cream. It was always about
the amount of And this still applies to day so much,
and I find it quite amusing, and even I find
it in some people who are experiencing in beauty industry
is they'll, you know, go like that with the cream
and they'll go, that's such a good cream. All I'm
(06:22):
doing right now, by the way, for those only watching
is just rubbing it on they go, or they'll go
they'll sniff it and go, that's such a good cream.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
And I'm like, you just sniffed it. You just like
the fragrance, has a fragrance in.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Oh, you just like the feel the feel of it.
You don't know if it's a good cream or not.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
So I say, you don't know, Yeah, take it and
try it and then come back to me. And so
we don't start that way either, because a lot of
people start with a they'll either white label or they'll
start with a nice chass I call it a chassis,
and then they'll put in ingredients and we start with
the raw ingredient and then we build around it. So
we think of, you know, a task of something we
(06:57):
want to solve, and then we think of what are
the ingredients we'd love to put in it, and then
we start playing with those ingredients. We see if there's
frenemies or enemies, because some ingredients don't like each other,
you know, like vitamincy and retinoise I don't love each other,
and they also degrade their efficacy, so in you know,
the most strenuous one was probably we did an I
(07:18):
treatment court take a back time, and I'd always disliked
I creams because I once when I was beauty journalists,
I interviewed a plastic surgeont and he had said that
when he lifted up with his pass the concept, he
had found this deposit, this fatue deposit under their eyes
and he thought, I wonder how much of that contribution
is from so much oil heavy are going through their
skin and that puffiness that they want to get rid
(07:40):
of is only being exaggerated by the types of icream
they're using.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And I thought, I.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
Will never use an I cream and then I got
to a stage because some things come from personal like
and other things come from my feeling we should develop
this now. But with the cream, it was definitely that
feeling of you know, I'm starting to get criss cross lines,
and I thought, what do I want to do most
with an eye? And I thought, everyone knows they want
(08:04):
to they want to slightly get rid of that criscross line.
But also if I could lift the eyelid a tiny bit,
that would be great, because we feel our eyes closed
in on us and become smaller in our face as
we go down the path of life. So there was
some ingredients at the time we'd been looking at called
mini proteins. It's a type of peptide. It's a slightly
different molecule size. It works in a different way, but
(08:25):
the result of its sort of prevented more lines forming,
and it is literally by the fact that it's a
larger size peptide.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
It's going to feed the amino acids.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
It's going to be sort of more powerful form of
rebuilding some collagen and lastain, which is going to then
plump up your lines and make your skin look better.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
But it has a really good delivery system and the
way it works.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So it's not going to puff up your and your eyes.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
And then I saw what other ingredients I want to
go in there, and so we kind of knew what
we want to achieve. We'd read the clinical on the
mini protein. We then put other ingredients in it that
we really liked, and it kept falling apart like a mayonnaise.
You know, it's sort of split because some ingredients don't
like each other, and.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
So it splits split.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Fifty seven incarnations later, we then had the right formula
and then went in you know, we're looking at the
consistency and stuff, and then after that you do your
compatibility testing. So that then takes and so with this
has been a year and a half, right, then you
do compatibility testing that then takes even accelerator, which means
that you sort of put it under extreme conditions like
(09:31):
really make it heat, really cold, you throw it around
a lot, and then you start checking it on women's skin.
So when we do clinical trial, we do from twenty
year olds to seventy five year olds. You know, we
might take ninety people, but were really specific in who
those people are.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
We take people with.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Skin sensitivity, somebody you might have been allergic to one
of the ingredients we have in it. You know, just
literally test test test and it passed, which is great.
And then you do consument trials after that, you know,
and you start to.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
No idea how much goes into the launch these amazing
violence like they just think, you go, you know what,
I'd quite like to make an eye product. Let's release something.
And then a few months latter there No, that's so involved.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
There is so much involved.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I mean, the thing is it can go either way,
because you can do it many different ways. And there's
many big houses in France and Italy that will have
a nice basic formulation and somebody comes along and says,
can I add in my fragrance and some nice marketing
levels of ingredients and put their name on it. So
a lot of products made that way, and they're very
nice and you have them in your bathroom and you
try them and they feel lovely, and they might be basic,
(10:35):
good formulations from formulation houses.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
But I never want to do skincare that way. You know.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
I knew I didn't because I had tried so much
stuff and I felt I'd brought into a marketing dream there,
or I brought into something raw that was just too
unstable there. You know, it's like spent a few years. Yeah,
I did, I knew it.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I didn't want so much. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
You are quite open about being opposed to the anti
aging movements.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, which we love.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
So what's your stance on aging and how we as
consumers can change the way that we think about and
how we're being marketed.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
I think that what was interesting I had this conversation
with beauty journalists this morning at breakfast, because they've gone
to a lot of press things recently where it's like longevity.
You know, they're just taking the word from the supplements
industry frankly, and I think that's like not the new
word for antie. I hate the word anti aging, and
I don't like the word pro aging because what it's doing,
it's like saying I'm happy I'm aging. You know, there
(11:38):
are some women thinking fuck another line. But I also
believe that if one honestly looks in the mirror, you
only notice the other line.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
If you feel tired.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Oh, you know, if you feel full of energy and
really kind of awakened by life. It doesn't matter if
you have another line or not. It it's irrelevant you
see life differently. So for us, it's how do we
make a woman feel full of energy? And how do
we give her things that will give her skin energy,
you know, And that's kind of how we believe in
(12:10):
a skincare philosophy. So I have, you know, saying on
my Instagram. My daughter finds it cringey, but I do
believe it strongly, and I go, age is irrelevant.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
It's about the energy you bring.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Oh, I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
So I think that's how I look at it. And
I think there's other words we've used occasionally as a
brand which only are relevant for a certain age group.
So we talk about agelessness, but that's kind of you know,
if you're thirty, you might cringe at that, and if
you're fifty, you'll go, yeah, I want to be ageless.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
It has a different meaning for different people. So I just.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Feel that we want to give you solutions to how
you feel about your skin, but we're not judging you
by your age.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, you know, No, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
And I think ageless is so true now more than ever,
because sometimes I've got absolutely no idea.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, I'm like, you could be twenty five or fifty five.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I Actually that's so true.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
When I turned sixty, I remember I saw on this
morning show and somebody he's really a lovely guy, but
I just pulled him off on it. He said, try,
you looks so so amazing for your age. Okay, Ryan,
you could stop it.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
You just look so amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
I meet lots of women and they sometimes say, I'm
using your products and guess how old I am, you know,
because they want to show me look how much younger
I look because I'm using your products, and and I
go I sometimes would guess. And other times when they
say guess my age, I'll say I don't want to
because it's like, you just look somebody who's full of
energy and a life, and that's all I need to
know exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And you've got beautiful skin. It doesn't matter how old
you are. Maybe we should start doing it to the
twenty year olds.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Maybe.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
I mean, the thing is, we could talk about that now,
because I am so there's two or three things that
really upset not upset me, but just I find challenging
in the kind of younger beauty consumer space, which is
way too many ingredients for ages of skin. So like
using the scene, it's like whoa. And then there's kind
(14:03):
of beef tallow slugging, you know, things that you're going
to just you're just going to populate acting on skin
that's quite oily and it's got really active sabacious glands.
And you know, Lina came back and she was like,
what are you doing pief tallo TikTok saying, and I'm like, Lila,
this is like bovine collagen, which won't go in skin anyway.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
It's just going to block your poorn. No.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
So you're known for championing skin first. Make up.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Second, what is one skincare rule or makeup rule really
that you think everyone probably should break that you see.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
I mean i'd say something that in makeup, I would say,
where the foundation the color of your skin.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Don't buy a foundation for the color is your skin you.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Wish it to be, which is what lots of people
do because they feel I'd like to be a bit
more tanned or just feel a bit more you know whatever.
But it's going to make me notice the foundation more.
And you know, if it's really the color of your skin,
then you can build on other stuff.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
So that's a big one.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
And also start where you have something you most want
to cover a lot of people just you see on
the Gram and TikTok, they're just start at their cheeks
and that's usually if somebody needs a least amount, and
I start in that te zone where there's a little
an evenness or a little redness. So that's my kind
of makeup moment. And I think with skin care, it's
your best friend. Skin is not your skin, and so
(15:22):
many people buy something because their best friend goes, this
is amazing, and they buy it. Some people don't really
know as much as they might think they know.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
They think they know a lot because of TikTok and
Facebook and that they read an article that they don't
actually and then they're sort of passing on advice that
might not necessarily be accurate, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Or using something for their skin which they shouldn't use.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Because you and I had that sort of acne journey,
so we always felt on the past discovery's pay. Why
you became you know, a use direct because interesting Susanna,
who I work with for many years, had the skin
like peaches and cream, classic baby skin. So for her,
she'd you know, would where everywhere around the world will
work here happened to you and then she'd like have
a drink or drinks and then go to bed in
(16:06):
her makeup, get out next morning, and she'd watch as
she was falling asleep, and you were spending twenty minutes
getting ready for the evening.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I mean, that's so much time. What are you doing?
You know?
Speaker 4 (16:16):
And I was obsessive, and I thought, you know, sometimes
I thought, God, I'm so like but I just I
wanted to look after her skin. Anyway, she turned us
out in age and she caught me up. She went,
torn me, what the fuck give me the list? My
face fallen apart, literally, And there are so I think
there's two extreme variations of women. There's people who experiment
(16:36):
with every single thing because they've had to go through
roseta or some inflammation of the skin. And then there's
people have had immaculate skin and then overnight it's like
the Nora Efron book, What Happened to my neck?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
You know, it's like, oh, and.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
They're asking their other friends please help, because I've got
no idea what's going on? Can you please tell us
more about the match to me for makeup and skin
get How does it actually work?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Well?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
It started off when I was starting the business that well.
Even before then, when I was doing TV in different countries,
every makeup artist would do the same look, you know,
and they would it could be somebody of eighteen or
seventeen with a different skin, hair and eye and always
you know, when we were building out for the Catwalk
Show and there were like twenty women in the room
and it was frenetic, and I'll go and I think,
oh fuck, all in action, all read littlebol and I'd like,
(17:23):
look at the skin hare and I she suits it,
but she doesn't suit it. And there was this sort
of over the years of this, which is about five
years doing the show. When I was testing all the
makeup and the colors, I had this big graph on
the wall and I had people come in and they
would I take a polar I'd put them on and
think what do they suit? So of the eighty colors
were going to produce what are their best and what
(17:43):
are their worst? And then it was the process of
elimination patterns emerge and then we put that into an algorithm.
So for makeup then it was this thing of your
colors that you suit is really about the combination your skin, hair,
and eye, and that puts you from cool, call neutral
neutral neutral, more warmth and then it makes it simple.
And then about a year ago we added to the
makeup match to me the colors you suit for clothing,
(18:05):
because lots of people were saying, you know, I want
to get ready with you in the morning, so can
you tell me more. And in a book I did
last year called Feel Us, I had done some more
stuff on color. So then it shows you the color
you suit on your clothing, and if you like that color, you.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Click on it.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Because we don't all like the rainbow of colors. You know,
it shows you complemented in contrasting. So trying to teach
you about color is really important for me, you know
that just that tell me how to put the balance
if I wear a red lip, should I wear a
pinky blusher or lots of bush or no blusher?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
You know that stuff.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
So on skincare different slightly still taking many women. So
we took a lot of women that we were doing
clinicals on for all the products we were developing, because
they're all over a few years developed, and looked at
what are the different things that come up, you know,
sort of from the effect hormones on you, the effect
of your age, your ethnicity, your kind of tendency of
how you've had your skin diagnosed. Because you know, somebody
(19:01):
comes up to me and goes, I got a combination skin,
and I go, you're driving hydrated. How on earth did
you get that definition? And I said, what do you
think combination means? And they go really dry or just normal?
And I go, no, it doesn't mean that. So we
put a combination and what it means, and then there's
a video if you think I don't know what it means.
So I think skincare is really really confusing for people,
(19:21):
and you have to deal with the breadth of somebody
who's literally grown up with wash their faces soap and
put some moisturizer on, maybe some SPF two.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I love the Korean seventh seventh step.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
And the ten year olds are using written now.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Well they're not. Please don't come to that our side,
because don't okay. In fact, I think we don't let
you put an agent that's under twenty one or so,
you know, literally, and so in this, you know, in
this kind of thing you fill in, we say what
are the three things that really you look at? And
you think I want to deal with that. So it
might be you look and all you see is your
dark circle, or you look in all you see as malasmo,
So what are those three? And then it makes you
(19:53):
focus on what are those three? And then in another
thing we say, of those three, which one is like
the one that never goes away?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Simplifying it for people.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Yeah, and then you can think, you know, I've only
got this much money per month. So and a lot
of people have said in my routine, what's the thing
that will really change? And I'm like, I can't tell
you that until I know what's the most important thing
to you as well.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
So, because it's different for.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
Everyone, and even if you can't afford to buy from us,
we put in why we chose that for you and
what ingredients in it are relevant to your problem. So
it's a form of education too.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Because they could then they could then like, if they're.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Thinking, I don't have the money, go and find something
where you can buy some singular ingredients that you know
will have a positive effect on your skin that.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Is really brilliant and so useful for everyone.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely going to do it for the colors.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Can we talk about achieving the perfect glow, because you
say that women either go way too glowy or completely matt.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
How do you find that sweet spot? Is there a
rule that we could all follow. I'm definitely a two
glowy gal because I love it.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I love glow.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
I think it depends the decade in which you learned
to do make up, because if you were sort of
a nineties girl, maybe it was really Matt and Naught
easily begun to have that experience of highlight or and glow.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
But for me, it's that it reflects light.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Glow reflects light, and if it hasn't got micker in it,
and it's glow from actual skink ingredients and not from highlighter,
and you can get that on your skin first, that's fantastic.
But if you have a skin that feels it needs
to look like it has a great skin carotine, then
it's about getting ingredients that are very There's a sheene,
(21:33):
but not a shimmer on cheeks. So I don't like
where you see the products particles. I like that when
you turn you have that really wonderful catch, the sense
of the glow on their skin. If skin is reflecting light,
it's because it's healthy skin.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
So we associate it with healthiness and vitality and vitality
and life.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
If you could create a what not to wear equivalent
for beauty trends, like a beauty trend intervention, Now what
trend would you ban?
Speaker 1 (22:01):
And why you can have a few or few?
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Okay, beauty trend intervention slugging beef tallow kind of you
know when people do these really complex things on TikTok
about how to put your makeup on, you know, and
using crazy tool you know, like kitchen utensils to make
a line like just you know.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
They're doing it for the views. There are sure they're
sitting at home.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Actually I'm sure they're not.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
And there's a very funny womanhere you work with called
Jenevieve Turley, and she's she's been a nurse and then
she started doing makeup. She's really such a sweet one,
but she takes a piss out of those TikTok so beautifully.
It's so funny to watch.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
And they're shedding ones in the morning.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Oh my god, I'm going to say into that derma planing.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Oh you don't like it.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
No, Oh, it's shaving, it's shaving, it's cutting your hair raw. Okay,
so it's shaving it. And I think that some people,
when I've sort of been quite vocal about this, they said, oh, yeah,
but it's just taking off the baby fluffy things. But
the thing is that's if you're using it in your thirties.
But if you're using it in your cherrymnopausal menopausal, you've
(23:02):
got coarse hair there. And if you cut it like
you cut a razor, which is what it is. It's
a blade. You're not pulling it out by the root,
which weakens it and then softens your those little granny
hairs that come in as it were in your forties fifties.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I'm actually I am still in my thirties and shaving
my face.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I didn't think about that.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
I think it's an age thing because I know it's
not great when you get to a different AGEA that.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Actually does make sense, though, but I have already started
getting the little ground that you just feel out of it.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
It's just like you kind of do.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
You find yourself at dinner and you're just going just
like it has to come out.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
As soon as I can feel it.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I'm like, you must come out right now, because I
just can't stop playing with it. And I'm so aware
of all of a sudden and then it's like this awful,
coarse long hair with did you come what's one beauty
trend from the past that you'd love to see make
a comeback?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Oh my god, that's I've never been asked that.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I think when you look at the beauty of nineteen
forties black and white films, which we've seen in that
sort of till release Eldridge thing, you know, there's a
certain ultra feminist thing, and I think it's been done
again with a lot of bronzer, and I loved it
when it was very pad back, and now things are
(24:14):
slightly blurred, which I like that. There's sometimes that look
has been done with a lot of ronza, and I
think it took away the beauty of the look.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
So let's move into your bathroom cabinet, because you your
skin is just so beautiful.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
I feel it's like had a few tire days, but
thank you.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
No, it's so beautiful. Can you walk us through what's
in your bathroom cabinet and what your routine looks like?
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Okay, so I wherever I am, I take the same thing,
so I never compromise my routine.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
So we do travel.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Stuckible ones, and I love that you're wearing one as
a ring too. Yep, that's but we have skincare ones too,
like that's stack too. So I will always do in
the morning an hapha cleanser, and I'll do it with
a four years sometimes because I like to just leave
it on because it's like a sort of mini mask.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
And then I'll do that.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
And then if I'm traveling, and I do this a
lot more, I take a bucket of ice and I
put my face in the ice.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Ooh, that's one way to wake up.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah, really wakes you up.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
And then sometimes I take some of that extra eyes
and I go in the shower and I do you know,
I just rub it on my skin. And then I
also do the five lymph wake up. So I'll do
the tapping, you know, just just pumping under by your
chest between your chest plate and your clavical and then
I'll go front and back of your lymph nodes around
your ear. I'll do the back just down you know,
(25:32):
the back of the top of your spine, and then
I'll do under my armpits, stomach, in a thigh and
back of knees. And then I jump for sixty seconds
because it kind of gets your limp flowing.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
So that's why, I guess really gets your heart, so
it just gets the flow of energy going in your body.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
And then I'll do exfoliant PHA in the morning, and
then I do a peptide hyeronic or plump up, which
is one of ours and a new thing I can't
talk about, yeah, which I'm doing, and then if in
some I go straight to SPF. We have one called
See the Light we don't sell here yet, which I
hope we will soon, which is a phenomenal fifty but
(26:09):
really hydrating. And in the winter I'll do probably one
of our moisturizers and then beff Skin effector, which is
a thirty, and then I just go on to I
might do a lip chicken eye really quickly. I might
do Trinity, which is this kind of stick which is
matt one end and glow the other, depending on how
quick I've then got to get out the house, you know,
And then in the evening I will do double cleansing,
(26:32):
and it's a ritual. I'll get home and I'll have
that real sense between the mannickness of my day at
the office and then coming back and I'll really take
time and just have that. Even if I'm going up
for dinner, I'll do a cleanse before I go.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Afternner.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
I never if I'm going straight from the office to dinner,
I'll just put BFF all over smudging and it wakes
my face up. But otherwise I'll go home, take everything off,
put it on again, because I just feel it separates
out my day.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
When when you know what you're doing, you can do
it quite. Yeah, it can be some Sometimes people say,
doesn't it take a long time?
Speaker 3 (27:01):
No, four minutes.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I can be very quick if I can also take my.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
Time, but yeah, but otherwise I can, And then I
do I alternate every three nights three different things. So
one night I'll do a PHA and then I'll do
some microneedling, and then i'll do plump up, which is
peptides they going deeply, and then maybe I'm going to
be really candid, I'll do if my skin's really very strong,
(27:28):
I'll do a retinoid but it's our overnight clarity, and
then something called alyxia. And then the next night I'll
do an AHA, but I won't do the retinoid and
I won't do the micro needling, and then the third
night I might just do plump up and micro needling.
So for about two months, I'll do this every three
nights micro kneadling, and then I'll stop.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
And do you notice the difference we're doing it?
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Huge difference, especially.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
On places where you really it's very difficult to get
things into your skin, so on your neck because there's
no supacious clans and our next suddenly when we have
hormonial changes, you really like overnight, notice a change. So
if I do, I do this criss crossing with a
zero point five needle on my neck and the roller. Yeah,
we make a micro needle. Oh okay, how we do
(28:13):
with zero point three for America and a zero point
five worldwide here or two? And then I do peptides
because peptides. We have six incredible peptides and they are
I think the best thing post a micro needed want
any fragrance near it or anything. You're creating a channel
for product to go in. But on a zero point five,
I think you're also micro tearing the skin a tiny bit,
so it does that self repair its We only really
(28:35):
produce collagen after our thirties. If we're reacting to you know,
some damage damage to our skin. So on that level,
I think it's fantastic and not to be scared of it.
I don't put huge pressure on it. It's not like
going to a dermatologist and getting them to do it
with a one needle. But it is really really effective.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Do you get the professional needling treatments?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
No?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
I find actually doing it in this routine that I do.
I don't. I haven't had one for about five years.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
If Triny London were a woman at a party, how
would you describe her?
Speaker 4 (29:08):
I would say she's the good, loyal friend to other women,
A girl's girl.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
She's a girl for sure. She is so a girl's girl.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
One last question, and it's a bit of a dream scenario.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
If you could style anyone beauty and fashion dead or alive,
who would it be and why?
Speaker 4 (29:27):
I think it's a woman who's gone through a really
tough time and lost herself, and it's not somebody famous
because they can get all the help they need from
somebody else exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, that's such a good answer.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
And as someone who I very much so lost to
myself postpartum, feeling myself come back to life has been
one of the biggest privileges of being myself, if that
makes sense.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, just to find yourself again.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah, Well, thank you so much. I have so many
more questions for you, but you're a very busy woman.
You've spoken to nine hundred how many was it nine hundred?
We are just so grateful that you gave us time
that you VI's a going to just eat this.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
We're going to love it so much.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
So thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Well, thank you so much, Trinny. That was just what
a treat. It was absolutely brilliant. You've given us all
so much to think about. And of course you can
find the Trinny London products and stores across Australia. Now,
if you want to see how good Trinny looks, because
if you had told me that someone would look that
fabulous in like a floro leather, she's outstanding. Please head
(30:34):
on over to our YouTube and have a watch because
she's just incredible and in this conversation as you rethinking
your beauty routine, make sure you're following us on TikTok
and Instagram for more inspiring.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Chats like this one will pop.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
All of the links in the show notes Bye,
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