November 24, 2025 • 43 mins
Forget everything you thought you knew about hair removal: the full bush is officially back, and Abbie Chatfield says it might even be the secret to better orgasms! Welcome to The Full Bush Renaissance, the major cultural mood shift of 2025. Women everywhere are opting out of the exhausting cycle of shaving, waxing, and quiet shame… and Abbie shares the shocking story of how she was dropped from a major brand deal simply for choosing to show her body hair and keep things real.
We set the scene with all the awards-night beauty, chaos and gossip before diving into Abbie’s world: from the very quirky pre-show ritual her boyfriend Adam Hyde swears by (yes, it involves her undies) to how she deals with constant online criticism and body shaming. Abbie shares her full curly hair routine for summer frizz, and the secret to her resilient skin — including her affordable holy-grail $11 CeraVe balm.
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Billie Malibu Razor Blade Starter Kit each $7.50
CeraVe Advanced Repair Balm 50ml $16.99
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Garnier Fructis Hair Food Hydrating Aloe Vera Multi Use Treatment 390mL $14.99
Dream Coat Curly Spray 200ml $56
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Speaker 1 (00:08):
You're listening to a mom with mere podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Makeup is my therapy.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I'm obsessed and I don't even feel guilty about it.
I'm just so excited to talk about the bush because
I'm a very hairy girl.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I know? Quite like yes, people just don't assume it.
But it is like law around here that I'm just here.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
She comes the hairy beast, the harriest beast.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I have to pluck every day.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
The bush is officially back.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I'm Kelly McCarron, and welcome to the formula. Today we
are talking about after decades of oppressing our pubic hair
from growing into the wild, glorious beast that it can,
it is officially back. And who better to talk about
such a topic with me than someone who loves to
talk about things that other people might say a little
(01:10):
bit personal, I say, just fun conversation than Abby Chatfield. Welcome, Abby,
Thank you, welcome, Welcome Abby. First things first, you were
rolling in hot from the arias, Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Or like Luke Waller, were kind of cool loll Yeah.
Everyone thinks that I'm some like party anymore, but I
was at home at nine o'clock class nights.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I actually said that to our producer because to be honest,
they were like, maybe she won't, like she'll cancel or
reschedule a bit because.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
When I come but she but.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I said, I was like, I don't know. I feel
like sometimes it's the loudest ones or the ones that
present that are actually the ones that go home and
go to bed because I'm very tired.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I haven't been out past midnight in maybe like two
or three years. Like, I don't. I don't do that.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Night and I really still regretting it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, actually no, I did in Berlin. I shouldn't lie
I have my first all nighter ever in Berlin to
get into one of those crazy No. We just were
hang out with Adam and his producer. It wasn't was
It was really fun. That's why I think I liked
it because it was us having drinks and just like
we're aut of this like bar slash five clubs it
but that's also like bar tables on the water, so
it was kind of like it was you could be
(02:21):
in and out. It's the overstimulation. So yeah, I don't.
I don't go out. Everyone thinks that I'm no. Yeah,
but I like I don't drink when I work, I
don't really drink really ever, Like I have very strict
rules about myself because I don't want.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well, you're a professional.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yes, I would never bail on you. No, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't never. Oh my god, if I had to
cancel them because I was hngover, I actually think that
I would have a nervous breakdown. I would feel so guilty.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Okay, so you and I I'm the exact same, but
you and I are quite rare breeds in this industry.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah. Yeah, And it's because when I first started, my
makeup artist said to me, she said, if you do
get a career in this industry, I don't want you
to ever drink when you're feeling nervous or before you perform,
because that's how I've seen two people get ruined by
doing that. So I was twenty three and I wasn't
really drinking anyway, but very easily you could go down
that road. But I had like this Angelan Dowsley, who
(03:08):
always was like, don't do it like a second mom. Yeah,
and she's right because she's like, it's not going to
make it perform better, and then if you screw up,
you're gonna blame you. Being tipsy or an excuse is
actually worse because it is you still, you still chose
to do it. Yeah, and people need that whatever, but
I have made a very conscious effort to not need
that ever. I think I had on my last New
(03:30):
Zealand show. I had two glasses of wine and I
was like, guys, I'm off my head.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Like I was like, because throughout the show I was
really see adrenaline and it makes you feel drunk anyway.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, and I was. I had like the start of
Laren Ryder's or something, and I was just thirsty. And
it was a two and a half hour show, and
an hour in I was like, I'm so sorry, and
I was like, I'm feeling crazy, but I am.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, Arias so sorry, cold as carolling in Cold Cold
Yeah from the Arias. But your makeup, like this is
a beauty podcast, can we talk about it?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Makeup artist Yan had he done your makeup before?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
He's never, but he does. One of my best friends,
Mitch cre all the time. Yes, yea, so Mitch Doc Grayer.
Unfortunately I'm stealing her makeup artist insane. We're the best time.
And then my hair was by Liz two and that
was amazing as well. So I thing just worked, yeah,
and it was really easy to get ready, and I
didn't even think of the colors. I didn't even really
give yan a brief. I was just like, here's what
(04:26):
I'm wearing. And then I just didn't look at the camera.
I didn't look at the mirror or in the camera
until we were done, and I was like, perfect, no.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Changes, because I'm not sure have you done something like
that before where it was a really black, tightlined, smoky
but quite sleek, gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Helen Dowley's done a lot on me, my angel, He's
done it for my first LOGI she did and I
was really really scared because I was I was like
blonde then and I was like, oh, my first, you're blonde.
I was, yeah, I was blonde, but like never again,
Yeah you're a brunette. I know. I was, thank you,
But yeah, I've done it a few times. I've been
doing it myself a lot, but yeah, I haven't gone
(05:04):
to an event in ages, so howning my makeup on ever?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, And sometimes it's with people doing your makeup. Sometimes
people do my makeup and I'm like, oh, that looks awful. Yeah,
you would have done a much better job. I got
married in your bo't makeup.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Really because you have to fix it or because.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Because not one of those TikTok drama girls that wash
it off.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Oh my god, No, I think it'd be okay though,
Like if you just told the makeup artist and you
want I.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Don't love it. No, it was just I didn't trust
anyone else to do my face, and I wanted to
be by myself, not even around friends. When I was
sort of gearing up for that.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, I don't know. I be mind for it's not
the same thing. But for my live shows, I don't
make it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
No, that's the You need to be by yourself before
you're soul over stimulated and need to perform for people.
Ye so yeah, okay, Well moving on from makeup, then the.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Bush straight down to the bush, straight down to the pulse.
It's back. It's the Bush's back with the bush. The
bush should have never left. But the bush is.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Back as someone who's never had laser, who hates waxing,
who doesn't like Oh I know, I'm a red breed. Wow,
I know, I'm so retro.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
It's like finding one of those fossils age, you know
what I mean, But not not that, not in an
old way, because the rarity. You go, oh my god,
the swamp man body, they found you, and I go,
no laser, no waxing, Like.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I trim, but I trim and then I will shave
the sides if I please, but I'm not fast. It
is a pet that I like to patch because it's
so soft. If I shave it all the time, it's not,
it's spiky. It's awful. It's awful. You have made the
right decision, think you. Waxing is awful because it is torturous. Yeah,
a lasa. I just was never interested too much.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I can't commit to.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Go into the doctor, let alone in a laser appointment
every week. Yeah I could easily in a week because
I'm that hairy, grow a proper seventies bush if I wanted.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
That's so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Really, that's I'd love that so much.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
That's good. Yeah really. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
So I'm like, I don't think it was ever out.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
No, I don't think it was ever out. I mean, yeah,
I think I've never really been Maybe when I was
really young, I was like when I was like twenty,
I was pedantic about like having no hair, and I
was get older, I just kind of realized that it
doesn't matter, and the shame around body hair is just
so ridiculous for women. It's what a waste of time
and money and the pink tax of it all. I'm
(07:17):
kind of like, God, why would I spend hours of
pain and like you're saying, the appointments, going to the doctor,
all the money just because for the male gaze think
looks better. Yeah, some yeah, and it's even got some
men men, but actually most men that I've encountered love
a bush.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
To me. I'm just like you can think, whatever money
I want, I don't give it. If you know this puss,
oh you deal with it in all of its glorious.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Is the package you know, a little too pay on
top of it. You love it. It's gorgeous. It's the
little pitch that you could pass. It's gorgeous cushion pushing
and that's the true Christian. Yeah, but I from laser
a bit, but on and off because I just the
repetitive treatments very hard to take command or yeah, yeah,
(08:04):
so I don't know a bit. My bush used to be.
If you're going detail a bush details, please share. Yeah,
I'm glad really curly hair. It's really curly and cause
and the laser hasn't stopped. I'm quite hairy as well.
I like have this weird thing on my legs where
my hair comes up like this in a in a pattern.
Do you have that or are you just full eating? No?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
No, So my hair grows dark till my knees and
then it's just baby blonde fine hairs, and then.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Like on my arm, then we've got like hair hair like.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Well, I don't get that, but on the back of
my legs. Sometimes it's a fun game. I can pluck
long one was every now and then random ones.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
And how long you've been there?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Long? Because sometime surely walking behind me going yeah on
that girl's leg, yes, yeah, it's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Trevor.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, he comes, he comes and visits sometimes little trim.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So I thankfully am still able to grow a bush back.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Did you like? Was that part of your campaign with.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I was already trying to do it, so it kind
of coincided perfectly. I already kind of wasn't doing laser
or shaving. I mainly I mainly stopped doing laser because
a friend of mine because I live at the beach
and a friend of mine went and got her legs
lasered one time, and you know, you're not meant to
be in the sun for two weeks before and after
if that's impossible when you live at the beach in summer.
(09:22):
So her whole legs were blistered and bubbled and it
was her fault, like it wasn't anything. Yeah, the people
did wrong because she and she's like, nah, my bad,
I shouldn't have done that, but.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
She tries to assume them they were like, yeah, I
can see on your Instagram you were in the sun.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, all day every day the lab at Bond Eye.
But the point is I was shit scared by that,
you know, So then I stopped doing it because I
was too scared about being in the sun too much.
And then I realized it's actually much more physically comfortable
having the bush as well. Oh it's so comfortable, it's great.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I really enjoy it. Yeah, it's fun, like I'm not rocking,
although if you want to do that that's absolutely fine
as well. But I think that's the whole point of
this campaign, though, right that you do what feels comfortable
to you and there's no shame in any decision.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, it's very much. If you need netball vibes orre it's.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Like, I'm a big, very huge fan of that.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, okay, good, okay. I'd actually to play netball. I
haven't played a very long time, and I think I'm
gonna try and do a team sport. But I'll get
you on the team. Let's let's figure it out.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I will captain the team. I'm very like organizing everything.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
That's lovely. Really, it's so good because they were actually
the first company to do an ad with showing actual
hair being shaved on legs in the little not the
weird like Barbie leg plastic and they're amazing raises. So
I do use them when I'm doing little trimming, a
little touching up, or when I shave my legs or
There's such a great company to do this campaign with
(10:47):
because they genuinely mean it. They been doing this a
lot of you know, I think we know a lot
about lip service.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yes, yes, signaling.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, the virtue signaling of it all. I guess pink
washing is that what is that? Is that the queer
pink dollar is the queer thing, but same thing green
washing pink washing. Let's say lip washing. I don't know,
but yeah, lip But so Billy were they were the
first brand, yeah to do an ad like that that
(11:16):
wasn't just the plastic leg and I wanted to do that.
A few years ago, a Raisor brand wanted to do
an ad with me, and I was like, I only
do it if you show shaving leg hair because A
it's a bit weird the way it's kind of patronizing
and condescending the way that Razor brands have you already
having a clean.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Really, like why would you what a waste of time?
What time ewing a pressed shirt?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, it's ridiculous. And also like, I think this would
be like showing off the use of your product, because
it would be useful to show that your product shaves
their like if.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
You were selling a vacuum cleaner, you are not sucking
up nothing on the carpet. They spill things.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Any source exactly, They dog hare, they do kids, glue.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Hairy hairy leg. If you want to show your product
in like how good it is exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
So Billy did that years before I even I didn't
even think it was the first time. I just I
thought people were just doing that, Like I didn't think
that that was controversial, but apparently it's too controversial, and
that deal kind of went away. I know. If it
was because of that, I think it was because it
seemed to be everything was going well until I said, oh,
I won't do it without the leg care and that
was yeah. So when Billy came along, I was like,
(12:27):
thank you. You get it yet the bush and you're
promoting the bush and my journey to bush them is
is well on its way excellent, so you're aware.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Just yeah, just on the side's nice.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Sides is nice and then yeah, but I'm trying to
really embrace the bush. But most of my friends a
bush lady.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I love that I'm the only bushy girl in my
little group. Yes, some of like some people have sprouts
and that sort of thing, But I just feel like
our generation went through the laser face.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah, you've lasered everything over a long period of time.
It's done, which would be quite hard if they then
want to grow it back for fun.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, and to enjoy it. Because also I think I
have a bigger orgasm when I have a bush. How
there's more friction when it's quite long.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
More friction, anding that little bit of a texture. Well,
that's the way to sell it.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, that's what I think. That's what I have an
easier orgasm when I have a bush.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I think that actually makes a lot of sense. Yeah,
more more, something's there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah. And then when my Adam has you know, obviously
he doesn't shave. We've seeing him. So it's a lovely combination.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yes, just two Harry Bushes making magic.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
It's beautiful. We love that.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Okay. So do you think though, that this is signifying
a big power shift in the beauty industry or do
you think it's just like for them it's a sleigh,
but the rest of the companies it's kind of just still.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
You mean a power shift in terms of.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Like women just and men claiming something back and going,
you know what, I'm only going to do this. Yeah,
even though it's a patriarchal beauty standard to be hairless
and clean.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Do you think that it's that we are claiming that
back or do you think that it's laziness or I
think it's a combination.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Of a few things. I think it is mainly a
power shift and a sense. Maybe it's not a sense
that specifically we should have bushes, or you know that, Oh,
we're going to screw the man and we're going to
go into our gaze. I'm sure about some people's motivation,
but I think as a whole, beauty in general has
been going more and more towards do whatever you like
(14:48):
and what's best for you. I think with TikTok and
with algorithms, I think people are going further and further
down what they like. And it can be a bad
thing when it comes to like politics and stuff, but
it can be a really great thing when it comes
to things like beauty and style because you feel more
empowered to do what you want. So if you're interested
in having a bush, or if you're interested to have
I don't know, bleach brows and being like I know,
(15:10):
goth girl or whatever whatever your aesthetic is, you're encouraged
to do that more because there are more people you
can find online to inspire.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Exactly, and that it's not this one ideal. Yes, that
everyone's sort of striving to be.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah, and I think that still exists for sure, But
even things like hair texture, you know, like when I
was growing up, it was like you have to have
dead straight hair, or like you know, I was called
hermione or whatever, and the moment of color got that
a million times more. You know, that's a racial issue
as well. But I think and I hope we're moving
(15:45):
towards more like be the most year you can be
as cliche and sie that's as that sounds. That is
really empowering because what we've been told is to force
our bodies and ourselves to be anything but what we are.
So I think just the message of a neutral messaging,
like what Billy's doing and like a lot of makeup
brands are doing, and.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
That you can if you want to wear makeup, that's great,
wear makeup, but you don't have to then fit in
a certain box and you don't have to look like
that all the time. You don't have to do anything.
I actually saw a really interesting TikTok. I've seen a
few of these sorts and it's such a strong message
that makes me think as someone that's had injectibles and
(16:26):
my tit's done and that sort of thing, like if
you watch a movie from the nineties, Oh everyone looks
so different.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, yeah, everyone.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Different teeth, different lips, different body shapes. Actually, probably a
lot of like still huge skinny vibes back then. Yeah, yeah,
but still different, like some people were more flat chested,
some people had bigger boobies, whatever, and their faces all moved.
Everyone did. And it's at the moment you look in
some different areas and every single person looks exactly the same.
So I see this as more of a I don't
(16:59):
think not to I don't think we're ever unfortunately going
to get back to that time where you did look
around and everyone looked so different. But it's more that
you do sort of think, Okay, no, this is what
I look like. I'm going to do what I want,
but I'm not going to be changing myself because of
what other people think.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yes, yeah, and I think that thing with watching older movies,
it is really it's jarring. Jarring. Yeah, yeah, it's really jarring.
And you kind of because I don't and I go
and watch vintage movies. At this place, it does reruns
of like vintage films. I just do it all the time.
So we just use a random night and just go, oh,
see whatever's on. And yeah, I have a reaction every time.
(17:37):
And it's funny because the men all look they all
the same. The men still in the newer movies or
the older movies. And when even when you see the
previews of the new movies a four years of the
older movie, you go, well, the men are all moving
the same way, inside the same kind of beauty ideal
most of the time. But the women you can see
through generations the extreme changing of goalposts and now it's
(17:58):
it's weird, I think in them getting so thin, it's
now gotten really expansive. Again, I may being optimistic, and
I think as well because my I have years ago
made a really conscious effort to like clean out my
following and for you page and not subscribe to any
toxic messaging from people either that were doing fitness things
(18:18):
purely to have a certain body rather than fitness because
it's this is a good thing to strengthen your core
or whatever, you know, or beauty creators that were maybe
a little bit self hating because that self hate grub
off on you, you know, like, yeah, posting they won't
do anything wrong.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
But can you can absorb it and start to not
think like that. But it's it's about energy really, well,
so to energy are you if you open your phone up,
what are you absorbing?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
And how is that like influencing you. Yeah, and I
think that when people are sitting there going oh I
oh I hate my bags under my eyes or whatever,
then you go, oh do I have that? Or oh
I hate the way that I have wrinkles on my photo.
I have a really bad eleven lines, you know, language
like that, similar to how I don't like that language
around food. It just is not good for the for
the psyche. But because of that, people that I follow
(19:09):
often are pretty natural. I just want to be able
to move my face when I'm older. Yeah, and I
don't want to. I don't want to lose how I
actually look like I've got a really deviated septum. The
doctor was like, did you break your nose when you
were little? Because it's so it's like don don inside
and also the cartilage. I've been coming an ring about
(19:30):
whether I get a full nose job or I get
just the insides done forever, because I'm like, I want
to get this cosmetically fixed, because my right nostril is
really really in Because of this, I think what happened
was I was on a swing one time when I
was like four years old, and I whacked my face
on the pavement. So I think when it was forming,
it just kind of went like this. So it's quite
(19:51):
severe and I can't really breathe through my right nostril.
And I think it's also about my voice and everything
for the podcast. But I don't want to get a
noseb because I'm so scared not looking like myself because
I see so many people who don't like themselves and
that's But I do think that it's worth thinking about
if you're getting that work done. I don't think it's
that you're a bad person at all, like I've had
(20:13):
it done. I just think we need.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
To think about things, but then at the same time
not overthink some things to the extent where we're questioning
every single should I put Maskayra on today?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yes? What does it say about why I want? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Sometimes we argue against ourselves with those because it was
actually this morning I was saying to my sister about
I said, oh, I'm interviewing Abby today, and she goes
about the bush. She goes, oh, you'll have a lot
to say about that. She always makes jokes about her hair.
Am She's fully lazed, And I said, yeah, well, when Evy,
her daughter who's five, starts growing hair, when she's eleven,
(20:47):
she'll have to come and have a look at me
in the shower to know that hair's are okay, what
are you going to say? And then my sister's like, well,
what are you going to say when your son asks
why you've got such different noses?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And I was like, oh, but it is interesting because
I know I want to be a good feminist. I
don't want to contribute to you know, patriarchal, be your standards.
But it's very oh, it's very easy and accessible to
get all these things. So I don't know. The bush's
a nice little, nice little nod. Yeah, nice sort of
maybe even like a toes dipping.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, it really kisses people off, which is funny.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
They lose them.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Why do you care if someone has else has hair?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Why do you care if I have a bush? Why do
you care? If the absence of an action is so
offensive to them? It's like, what are you and you're
trolling someone or you're getting like shocked and horrified that
someone has pubes as was naturally intended.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I don't know that they do. They just might do
something about it, which is their choice. But that's a
very strange thing to have opinions about, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah. I think it's just a whole lot of self
hatred really, yeah, projection.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, and it does come back to those feelings of cleanliness, which.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, we sort of will.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I don't know, I don't know where it started. Was
it the porn industry, was it?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I think it's maybe this's just the association of female
genitals being quote unquote dirty man because of periods. Maybe
maybe it's uh, you know, people do think of vaginas
as dirty inherently, which they are not. The actually only
self cleaning organism, organism organ Okay, okay, they're actually very clean.
This whole idea that women are dirty, therefore vaginas are dirty,
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therefore the natural state is dirty. Maybe it's just like
a flow and effect of thousands of years of patriarchy.
I don't know. It's strange though, Yeah, it is strange.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
It's very constantly teach people such simple things like that.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, it's very it feels very backwards because I even
see those ads on and they're funny, Like I see
these ads of like waxes in America, like dropping an
actual cookie on the floor in a pile of hair.
I'm like, go, would you eat this cookie. No if
not coming to me for the best bikini wax of
your life. Right, it's like a silly adeh, Like that's
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funny and that's silly, and like it's not like horror offensive,
but I do. But it's think it's that's what the
same thing is it because it's actually not eating a
cookie and swallowing hair. It's actually hair attached to my
skin virofollicle.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
But you're also not that. It's very different.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
You're not eating the hair. No, you're not chewing it. Yeah, yeah,
no one would want to do that. Yeah, no one
would want to do that. And also men don't have
the same messaging of like dropping a hot dog in
a pile of hair, You would you want to suck this?
Like no, no, So just this idea that hair is dirty,
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even though hair prevents infection from coming in back to
her from coming in.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
The reason it's there is to protect us.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Ever a reason. Yeah, it's actually a useful thing. And
even with like vaginal washes, the washes and stuff I
go and people really like, you know, my friends from
my school used to talk about, like, guys, it's really
bad for you, and they would kind of shame me
for not using those things in a subtle way, not
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going ha ha. You know, they go, oh, yeah, you
don't wash, why you should watch it? Should wash it
one of those soaps. Yeah, or it's like that's why
you're getting yout eyes. It's like, actually, I'm getting you
two eyes because I have perfect flow dysfunction queen. But well,
you know, looking back now, I go, that's why. But
that wasn't because I wasn't using a cleaning product to scrub. Yeah, yeah,
(24:33):
because cleaning it yeah yeah yeah. So it's very funny
the way that we inherently see female genitalia or anything
surrounding as inherently.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Dirty, whereas men have never had that.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
No, no, no, just even though it's there's've all smelt
one or two that needed a bit of a sexy. Oh,
let's get in the shower for a see, let's do
a sexy wash of your ball.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
When I was single, I never ever had a man
come over and did not get straight into the shower.
Just really it was just I'm a bit of a
germ person as well, but I was always like, it's
just a thing I ever want to have to deal with,
so let's just shower straight away.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Just let's just get it.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Let's just get straight in some people do. That's it's
not normal that he is into it so hot, but
he's into He's into everything me.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
He asked me about undies for as long as I can,
and he takes it on tour.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
It lasts longer for him.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, he loves it.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, if it was just a day, it would have
last loved so loved. What about the skims that you know.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
They did that? I didn't. I Everyone's like, you love this?
I was like, why would I love someone who has
lais their entire body, profiting off other women who have
laid their entire body and succumb to beauty pressures. Why
would I love then profiting even more by making the
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bush a fashion? I get that.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
It's also did you see that they've got they their
recent reports came out about the working climate and it
scored lower. This is just a bit of a PSA
for when it's called lower than sheen and TIMU.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Really how about that? Really?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
That's awful selling fake bushes?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
WHOA see that's oh that's fucked. See I I if
someone received that message as all the bushes back in
that I like that message. You know if there's someone
that was said overall, I think it's a bit fucking ridiculous.
And I think I saw an interview with Kim Kardashian
even saying that she they just thought it was funny.
It's like, but why is it funny? People? It was
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something why is that funny?
Speaker 1 (26:46):
White people spending eighty dollars on something that they're actually
not gonna wear. What are you gonna wear your undies over?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, it's making fun of pubic care again and then
trying to make it some avant garde, crazy wild thing.
It's it's othering. That's why I didn't like it. It felt
like it was pointing out us. Imagine but guys, imagine
how crazy. I'll be fine at Bush. It's like you,
naturally we do have bushes, and it's fine. It's fine
that you don't. But it's the additional messaging of this
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is funny, this is ridiculous, and also I'm going to
make money off it after you know, I've been a
someone who's been pushing these beauty standard about having no hair,
which is also fine whatever, but it's.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, it was a bit weird because I think that
some people are trying to position it as liberating. It's
absolutely not though.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
No, no, no, no, it's not at all. It's not at all.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
It's describing and into it into this weird ideal that
she's been like, no, but we don't have bushes, but
we can wear these funny little yeah things.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah. I didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Okay, So you recently took a social media break after
lots of trolling, lots of very traumatizing trolling, including I
don't think people ever truly think about what they're writing
to people online, that it's an actual person, and how
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I just always think when I see things, you would
not say that to my face, or you would not
say that to that person's face. You not walk up
to the ministry. I mean some psychopaths actually would. Oh
my god, I got shoulder charged this morning.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
What what?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I actually burst out laughing though, because I was so surprising,
and I was walking along and I was holding my coffee.
I was literally just like yeah, and then this chick
proper not just accidentally bumped into me, shoulder charged me
and so bad that my coffee went and I just
(28:42):
spun around. Everyone's going, oh my god, are you're okay?
But my reaction was just to burst out laughing.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
It's like, wild, what did that actually just happen? Nary,
that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Most people, though, don't ever attack people in real life.
So it's I just think that the parasocial relationship that
some people think that it's okay tout different things.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, it's weird. It's it's really really weird, and really
what a strange way to expend your time.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Well, we had Indy Clinton in here a couple of
months ago, and it was after she went through that
whole like p I and she and I were having
a bit of a laugh because I was like, imagine
if you found out your friend was a troll.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
That's what I say, Like you would you had.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I wouldn't be friends one of my friends.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
If I foun out my friends was a troll, I
would genuinely like if if it was my best friend,
you know, I would genuinely call their parents. I would
be like, something seriously wrong with this person, Like they
need some serious serious But they.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Would be so embarrassed. People would be.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
So embarrassed around them.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Knew what they were doing.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
They're losers. If you were like.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
So what are you doing your spare time?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I write mean things about I said on this forum
called Tattle, and I don't have any friends in in
real life, but I sit there and I troll through
all different influences in Australia and I find reasons why
they're evil.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Or I comment that girl has backfat that looks like
fish skills on. That was a good one I got
one time.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
That's oh fish creative. I thought, that's see. Sometimes you
kind of go, that's quite.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Good sometimes chuckle poetic because at least it was creative.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, they're really they're really obsessed. I mean, it's funny,
like the start of the conversation was saying that I'm
a junkie and then I'm an addict, and it's like,
because I have personality. It's really cute because obviously they're
so boring that they don't it's a projection. They're like,
and oh yeah, so you're at the front of the
heroin clinic. I go, what also heroin clinics? If I
was a heroin much more mellow. Okay, let's get off
(30:54):
right those videos talk of the zombies. Yeah, you know,
if I was on ventanyl, i'd be I wouldn't be
posting every day. How did I do the podcast, they
eating their drugs, so it's like it's very yeah, it's
it's it's very funny the way that these people it's
just a projection of themselves. But it is scary when
it's like threats with your address and also when it's
(31:15):
concerned it's like anything that is posted of me, these
people just like flock to it and then lie about
me in the comments, and it's just like, well, you
guys are like your only hobby is hating me, and
that's really weird to it about like I've seen I've
seen like ten a week's so weird. Abby Chefood is
(31:35):
a grub, Aby Chaffood has eights, Aby chaffeld junkie Abby Chatfield. Yeah,
like like this, like this is not uncommon. People people
said to me, like, don't worry about it. I go,
you have.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
No No, you have no idea unless you've been in
that position, and even then you can't say don't worry
about it. But with so, you know, working with Billy,
you body autonomy huge, yes, part of that, but how
do you protect the mental side of yourself? Like when
it comes to this with so much toxicity online, is
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it taking breaks?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, I guess taking breaks It was also reminding myself that,
like you were just saying, and Adam always you know,
it says, he's like these people who we don't know
anyone that would do anything like this, and there's thousands
of these losers.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I want to even write a rude Google review even
after I've had a bad experience.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Never. Never, the only reviews that I write are five
stars because you're like, oh my god, that was a man, like.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
You know, you want to give them the props, the yes,
not that I don't. I actually think that Google reviews
are if you have a bad experience, and that's a
fine way to express totally I think anger.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
But yeah, it just means it's.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
The fact that you're going online purely to express anger.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Just block me as well, like people that had fuck
average outfield signs at this like the March for Australia
Ally it's like I'm not a politician, like you can
feel like why did you boys get arts and crafts
together to like like you can just block me, like
I'm not even on TV anymore.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Like having you as the podcast, like did you not
go to that rally for your own racist beliefs? Like
wouldn't you have preferred to have a sign about that then.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, yeah, no, but they don't have anything they're really
fighting for.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
But they just wanted to go.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
They just wanted to go to feel included.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
My bad the little the flag around the next.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Oh they're so cute, aren't they. But I also Adam
says to me, he's like, when I get really upset
about it, he's like, name one person that matters that
thinks negatively of you. I can never think of anyone.
I can never think of anyone like anyone that I
actually care what they think, that thinks negatively of me.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
And I also think that there's something to be said
about it was on a I think it was an
episode of The Imperfects where they talked about the courage
to be disliked. Yeah, because I often think that even
if someone I do respect dislikes me, if they're not
being rude, though, that's still okay, because I'm not going
to get along well with everyone. And like, there have
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been lots of people I work with before that I
didn't necessarily get along well with and they probably wouldn't
have the nicest things to say about me. Yeah, but
they wouldn't go and write about it. Online.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
No, that is a whole other even even think of
like the worst person that you know. I don't think
they would even like I think of the worst people
that I know.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Behind your back on my whatsap, Chuck person.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yes, like like be normal or like even like you're
like weirdest X, like that's what I'm thinking of. I'm like,
you wouldn't even like like and you're a complete nutter,
Like imagine the level you have to be to be
spending your time and these people are like dedicated.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
So it's pretty weird scary.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah, it's pretty weird in summary, but we knew they'd
be mad about the billy the billy post that was.
It's very funny watching how weak and fragile they are
like and also like that photo. It's even that it
was like a dream bush. It was an edited bush
to be like, this is what I want. Guys. It's
slowly coming back from the laser. It's quite prominent in
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the middle, but on the side it's not quite spreading
where you wanted it though. Yeah, it is where I
wanted it, but I kind of wanted the really hot
photo with the bush. I was like, this is my
get there.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I think I was twenty six.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, we're getting a few out here now. So we've
got some spots.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Which I could like lend you some really, because I'm
just so easily transcriber has so many friends.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
We love it all right.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
You have curly hair, yes, guilty, Yes, funny story.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
So do I really?
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, But because it's so bleached, it's just fried.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, it was like when I was blonde.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yeah, Aussie summer is awful for frizz humidity. That's another reason.
If I just let my hair towel dry.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
You would you would laugh. But I should do it.
I should come and do what I do in my
hair to your hair. We could see it wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Work, though, I don't because it's so fried bleach. Tell
us what your top tips or products are when it
comes to having curly hair in summer, because a lot
of us don't know what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Okay, I think the biggest tip I think you can
get products of all price ranges that are really really good.
I recently did a clad with a Bit Hippie, which
is an Australian brand, really really good. I've also won
with Garniere and I have been using Ghanna for ages
of hair food. Chris Appleton like the colour Wow, it's
your high end. I think the products as long as
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you have a really good conditioner that you like, like
with a bit hippie. I made my own setting spray
with the conditioner. You just got like a glob of
conditioner and put it in like a in a like
a spray container and just do like, yeah, a decent amount.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Use it with water.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, with water, sorry, yeah. Use that conditioner in the
shower as like a co wash. So I don't really
shampoo my hair either. I shampooed like once every like
two weeks. Get dirty, no, because I co wash. So
I get conditioner in my roots and rub it in
so it's really hydrated, and then do all the mask
and then when you get out, then you use that
mask spray, so it's kind of like leaving a bit
(37:06):
in there, but it's not globby in there, so it
then gets light and fluffy. So I think the biggest
thing is, well, I think the biggest, biggest, biggest thing
is stop dyeing your hair. Because one s that's of
dying my hair, it was pretty easy to get it good.
But I think if you're not going to do that,
keeping it a hydrated and using kind of consistent simple products.
I think. I think it's very the curl this and
(37:28):
this and this and this necessarily come mist doesn't. I
think just use a basic product you can use as
long as that aunt silver cones or sulfates. In my experience,
it's good.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
It's not going to weigh it down then.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
No, it's not. And it's also going to keep your
curl pattern really nice. But I actually think summer is
my best time for my hair, some of my favorite
time for my hair. Winter sucks because it takes too
long to dry.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah, summer because I haven't been hair dry.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yeah, so it's actually a dream for me in someone.
But yeah, I think using one product consistently throughout, just
like keeping it really simple and it's getting it hydrated
is the best way. And I've been plotting it before
bed as well, which I thought would ruin the curls.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
But if you do it looser, it just sort of
like and it stops you mushing around if you are
a musher.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yes, yeah, exactly, so I think protected when you sleep
and also use a lot of conditioning hydrating stuff to
get it nice. Yeah, it's really good, like having and
it's so much less stress, so much money. I was
paid dollars six weeks. I was like, sorry, thousand dollars.
I'm out. I'm out now, I'm out.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Someone asked me if being a blonde was expensive. I
was like, yes, time as well.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Time spends six hours and one thousand dollars every six weeks.
Is if I had TV stuff, it had to be
it had to be fresh. I couldn't just let it
like go out. And then I was like, I actually
can't do this anymore. No, it's I was seeing so
much time, so much money. I don't my hair's brittle
to be share.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I do not spend that. I spent three hundred dollars
every two months and it takes her two hours. But
it's because I go to a ninja at her own
house and she like and she knows what you want
as well exactly.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
I don't go to any of those fancy salons, which
are great, but they just take so long.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, yeah they do. I don't want to be there
for six hours. Yes, so don't have time. Skincare? What
do you love?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
What do you think is overrated?
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Ooh? I actually am obsessed with well doctor spiller have
you ever used that? Yea to Spiller love that have
an obsession, but I think and that's high end, but
then I think equally is good for a night cream?
Is the serah V like a bomb, the advanced bum,
the advanced balm, the advanced repair balm? So good? My lip?
(39:37):
I had a burn on my lip. I don't know
what from. I don't know if it was like I
got chili in a cracked lip or something. Then it
just expanded. It was for maybe two or three months.
It was it was almost like a cold sauce size
my lip, but it wasn't a cold saw. And I
use that one overnight and it fixed it. So the
Sarah V.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
It like if I get crusty out of my nose
if after a cold, Yeah, no, it's it's magic. I
did put on my entire face before bed dry.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Yeah I'm pretty dry. Yeah, my entire face before bed,
even like my ears and my dec liotage. And I
think that'srobably like one of my holy Grail products. And
it's what under twenty dollars not affordable, it's so amazing,
But doctor Spiller for higher end, but Sarah like sarahly
basic stuff. I'm really reactive. My skin's really reactive. So
any fragrances or anything that really ruins my skin.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
So yeah, And do you have like a pretty simple routine.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah, yeah, and I get skin.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
You don't really strike me as someone that's like got
my twenty one steps.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
No, I used to be. I used to be, but
then I was breaking out if like I ran out
of one because it was like this maybe like this
balance of pH on my skin was like relying on
every single step. Yes, so it was like one change and.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
It would just go crazy once again, very expensive when
it's that twenty one steps didn't no one.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah, it's so needling. I go to a facille owned
by two gorgeous women.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
We've had them on before.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
They're amazing and they're so lovely, and it's like the
needling has been incredible.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Also huge fan. I had awful acne in my twenties.
Really needling's beautiful skinling.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Wow, it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
It's so good, like the only thing that ever cleared
it up.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
I love it. The pain is gnarali when I do that,
find it that bad? See when I have period, it's
so bad, but usually okay, But when they put the
acid on afterwards because I get an acid thing.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Up that would burn Freddy Krueger afterwards.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yeah, a little bit, but it's okay.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
I've gone out for dinner though afterwards I'm like, I
don't care. I just had a facial treatment. Yeah, you
flushed and gorgeous, kay, and you know that I'm going
to look really hot. Finally, what is the best tip
or product you've picked up make up addition, because you've
had your makeup done by incredible people.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
So many times. Yeah, I think the one that I
use the most, and it's probably pretty obvious, but it's
using the same color on your like the same product
with lipstick on your lips, cheeks and eyes.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
That's not obvious. I think you're the first person that's
ever said that. Really, Yeah, I completely agree with you.
Is so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
It's easy. No, but I should blum on you. Please
try it and then on and then just a little
on the.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Wash on the cheek and then a lip. I honestly
think that that would be iconic on you. That's a
really good idea because against the blue and then the
contrast of the hair, gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Thank you so welcome. Use one product because my makeup
a lot of makeup artists do that on TV to
make it look cohesive and just and just.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Like you don't really know what's going on, but it's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Yeah. And it's all the same texture as well, like
it just looks like, yeah, not too natural, but it's
it's really beautiful. And then like when I travel, I'll
just take like one lipstick and then foundation like a
little tiny bag because I can just if I get desperado,
I can just use that like holiday or whatever.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah, thank you, Abby, thank you, We appreciate having you.
Thank you well, Thank you so much to the glorious
Abby Chatfield. If you love this deep dive into koalas
the Bush and challenging some pretty old beauty standards, make
sure to like this video, subscribe, let us know who
you want to see on the pod, and watch our
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other Formula episodes because we've got a bunch. Bye.
You're listening to a mom with mere podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Makeup is my therapy.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I'm obsessed and I don't even feel guilty about it.
I'm just so excited to talk about the bush because
I'm a very hairy girl.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Are you?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I know? Quite like yes, people just don't assume it.
But it is like law around here that I'm just here.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
She comes the hairy beast, the harriest beast.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I have to pluck every day.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
The bush is officially back.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I'm Kelly McCarron, and welcome to the formula. Today we
are talking about after decades of oppressing our pubic hair
from growing into the wild, glorious beast that it can,
it is officially back. And who better to talk about
such a topic with me than someone who loves to
talk about things that other people might say a little
(01:10):
bit personal, I say, just fun conversation than Abby Chatfield. Welcome, Abby,
Thank you, welcome, Welcome Abby. First things first, you were
rolling in hot from the arias, Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Or like Luke Waller, were kind of cool loll Yeah.
Everyone thinks that I'm some like party anymore, but I
was at home at nine o'clock class nights.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I actually said that to our producer because to be honest,
they were like, maybe she won't, like she'll cancel or
reschedule a bit because.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
When I come but she but.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I said, I was like, I don't know. I feel
like sometimes it's the loudest ones or the ones that
present that are actually the ones that go home and
go to bed because I'm very tired.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I haven't been out past midnight in maybe like two
or three years. Like, I don't. I don't do that.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Night and I really still regretting it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, actually no, I did in Berlin. I shouldn't lie
I have my first all nighter ever in Berlin to
get into one of those crazy No. We just were
hang out with Adam and his producer. It wasn't was
It was really fun. That's why I think I liked
it because it was us having drinks and just like
we're aut of this like bar slash five clubs it
but that's also like bar tables on the water, so
it was kind of like it was you could be
(02:21):
in and out. It's the overstimulation. So yeah, I don't.
I don't go out. Everyone thinks that I'm no. Yeah,
but I like I don't drink when I work, I
don't really drink really ever, Like I have very strict
rules about myself because I don't want.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Well, you're a professional.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yes, I would never bail on you. No, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't never. Oh my god, if I had to
cancel them because I was hngover, I actually think that
I would have a nervous breakdown. I would feel so guilty.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Okay, so you and I I'm the exact same, but
you and I are quite rare breeds in this industry.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah. Yeah, And it's because when I first started, my
makeup artist said to me, she said, if you do
get a career in this industry, I don't want you
to ever drink when you're feeling nervous or before you perform,
because that's how I've seen two people get ruined by
doing that. So I was twenty three and I wasn't
really drinking anyway, but very easily you could go down
that road. But I had like this Angelan Dowsley, who
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always was like, don't do it like a second mom. Yeah,
and she's right because she's like, it's not going to
make it perform better, and then if you screw up,
you're gonna blame you. Being tipsy or an excuse is
actually worse because it is you still, you still chose
to do it. Yeah, and people need that whatever, but
I have made a very conscious effort to not need
that ever. I think I had on my last New
(03:30):
Zealand show. I had two glasses of wine and I
was like, guys, I'm off my head.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Like I was like, because throughout the show I was
really see adrenaline and it makes you feel drunk anyway.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, and I was. I had like the start of
Laren Ryder's or something, and I was just thirsty. And
it was a two and a half hour show, and
an hour in I was like, I'm so sorry, and
I was like, I'm feeling crazy, but I am.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, Arias so sorry, cold as carolling in Cold Cold
Yeah from the Arias. But your makeup, like this is
a beauty podcast, can we talk about it?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Makeup artist Yan had he done your makeup before?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
He's never, but he does. One of my best friends,
Mitch cre all the time. Yes, yea, so Mitch Doc Grayer.
Unfortunately I'm stealing her makeup artist insane. We're the best time.
And then my hair was by Liz two and that
was amazing as well. So I thing just worked, yeah,
and it was really easy to get ready, and I
didn't even think of the colors. I didn't even really
give yan a brief. I was just like, here's what
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I'm wearing. And then I just didn't look at the camera.
I didn't look at the mirror or in the camera
until we were done, and I was like, perfect, no.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Changes, because I'm not sure have you done something like
that before where it was a really black, tightlined, smoky
but quite sleek, gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Helen Dowley's done a lot on me, my angel, He's
done it for my first LOGI she did and I
was really really scared because I was I was like
blonde then and I was like, oh, my first, you're blonde.
I was, yeah, I was blonde, but like never again,
Yeah you're a brunette. I know. I was, thank you,
But yeah, I've done it a few times. I've been
doing it myself a lot, but yeah, I haven't gone
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to an event in ages, so howning my makeup on ever?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, And sometimes it's with people doing your makeup. Sometimes
people do my makeup and I'm like, oh, that looks awful. Yeah,
you would have done a much better job. I got
married in your bo't makeup.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Really because you have to fix it or because.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Because not one of those TikTok drama girls that wash
it off.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Oh my god, No, I think it'd be okay though,
Like if you just told the makeup artist and you
want I.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Don't love it. No, it was just I didn't trust
anyone else to do my face, and I wanted to
be by myself, not even around friends. When I was
sort of gearing up for that.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, I don't know. I be mind for it's not
the same thing. But for my live shows, I don't
make it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
No, that's the You need to be by yourself before
you're soul over stimulated and need to perform for people.
Ye so yeah, okay, Well moving on from makeup, then the.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Bush straight down to the bush, straight down to the pulse.
It's back. It's the Bush's back with the bush. The
bush should have never left. But the bush is.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Back as someone who's never had laser, who hates waxing,
who doesn't like Oh I know, I'm a red breed. Wow,
I know, I'm so retro.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
It's like finding one of those fossils age, you know
what I mean, But not not that, not in an
old way, because the rarity. You go, oh my god,
the swamp man body, they found you, and I go,
no laser, no waxing, Like.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I trim, but I trim and then I will shave
the sides if I please, but I'm not fast. It
is a pet that I like to patch because it's
so soft. If I shave it all the time, it's not,
it's spiky. It's awful. It's awful. You have made the
right decision, think you. Waxing is awful because it is torturous. Yeah,
a lasa. I just was never interested too much.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I can't commit to.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Go into the doctor, let alone in a laser appointment
every week. Yeah I could easily in a week because
I'm that hairy, grow a proper seventies bush if I wanted.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
That's so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Really, that's I'd love that so much.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
That's good. Yeah really. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
So I'm like, I don't think it was ever out.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
No, I don't think it was ever out. I mean, yeah,
I think I've never really been Maybe when I was
really young, I was like when I was like twenty,
I was pedantic about like having no hair, and I
was get older, I just kind of realized that it
doesn't matter, and the shame around body hair is just
so ridiculous for women. It's what a waste of time
and money and the pink tax of it all. I'm
(07:17):
kind of like, God, why would I spend hours of
pain and like you're saying, the appointments, going to the doctor,
all the money just because for the male gaze think
looks better. Yeah, some yeah, and it's even got some
men men, but actually most men that I've encountered love
a bush.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
To me. I'm just like you can think, whatever money
I want, I don't give it. If you know this puss,
oh you deal with it in all of its glorious.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Is the package you know, a little too pay on
top of it. You love it. It's gorgeous. It's the
little pitch that you could pass. It's gorgeous cushion pushing
and that's the true Christian. Yeah, but I from laser
a bit, but on and off because I just the
repetitive treatments very hard to take command or yeah, yeah,
(08:04):
so I don't know a bit. My bush used to be.
If you're going detail a bush details, please share. Yeah,
I'm glad really curly hair. It's really curly and cause
and the laser hasn't stopped. I'm quite hairy as well.
I like have this weird thing on my legs where
my hair comes up like this in a in a pattern.
Do you have that or are you just full eating? No?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
No, So my hair grows dark till my knees and
then it's just baby blonde fine hairs, and then.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Like on my arm, then we've got like hair hair like.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Well, I don't get that, but on the back of
my legs. Sometimes it's a fun game. I can pluck
long one was every now and then random ones.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
And how long you've been there?
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Long? Because sometime surely walking behind me going yeah on
that girl's leg, yes, yeah, it's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Trevor.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, he comes, he comes and visits sometimes little trim.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
So I thankfully am still able to grow a bush back.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Did you like? Was that part of your campaign with.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I was already trying to do it, so it kind
of coincided perfectly. I already kind of wasn't doing laser
or shaving. I mainly I mainly stopped doing laser because
a friend of mine because I live at the beach
and a friend of mine went and got her legs
lasered one time, and you know, you're not meant to
be in the sun for two weeks before and after
if that's impossible when you live at the beach in summer.
(09:22):
So her whole legs were blistered and bubbled and it
was her fault, like it wasn't anything. Yeah, the people
did wrong because she and she's like, nah, my bad,
I shouldn't have done that, but.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
She tries to assume them they were like, yeah, I
can see on your Instagram you were in the sun.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, all day every day the lab at Bond Eye.
But the point is I was shit scared by that,
you know, So then I stopped doing it because I
was too scared about being in the sun too much.
And then I realized it's actually much more physically comfortable
having the bush as well. Oh it's so comfortable, it's great.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I really enjoy it. Yeah, it's fun, like I'm not rocking,
although if you want to do that that's absolutely fine
as well. But I think that's the whole point of
this campaign, though, right that you do what feels comfortable
to you and there's no shame in any decision.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah, it's very much. If you need netball vibes orre it's.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Like, I'm a big, very huge fan of that.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah, okay, good, okay. I'd actually to play netball. I
haven't played a very long time, and I think I'm
gonna try and do a team sport. But I'll get
you on the team. Let's let's figure it out.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I will captain the team. I'm very like organizing everything.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
That's lovely. Really, it's so good because they were actually
the first company to do an ad with showing actual
hair being shaved on legs in the little not the
weird like Barbie leg plastic and they're amazing raises. So
I do use them when I'm doing little trimming, a
little touching up, or when I shave my legs or
There's such a great company to do this campaign with
(10:47):
because they genuinely mean it. They been doing this a
lot of you know, I think we know a lot
about lip service.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yes, yes, signaling.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yeah, the virtue signaling of it all. I guess pink
washing is that what is that? Is that the queer
pink dollar is the queer thing, but same thing green
washing pink washing. Let's say lip washing. I don't know,
but yeah, lip But so Billy were they were the
first brand, yeah to do an ad like that that
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wasn't just the plastic leg and I wanted to do that.
A few years ago, a Raisor brand wanted to do
an ad with me, and I was like, I only
do it if you show shaving leg hair because A
it's a bit weird the way it's kind of patronizing
and condescending the way that Razor brands have you already
having a clean.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Really, like why would you what a waste of time?
What time ewing a pressed shirt?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah, it's ridiculous. And also like, I think this would
be like showing off the use of your product, because
it would be useful to show that your product shaves
their like if.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
You were selling a vacuum cleaner, you are not sucking
up nothing on the carpet. They spill things.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Any source exactly, They dog hare, they do kids, glue.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Hairy hairy leg. If you want to show your product
in like how good it is exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
So Billy did that years before I even I didn't
even think it was the first time. I just I
thought people were just doing that, Like I didn't think
that that was controversial, but apparently it's too controversial, and
that deal kind of went away. I know. If it
was because of that, I think it was because it
seemed to be everything was going well until I said, oh,
I won't do it without the leg care and that
was yeah. So when Billy came along, I was like,
(12:27):
thank you. You get it yet the bush and you're
promoting the bush and my journey to bush them is
is well on its way excellent, so you're aware.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Just yeah, just on the side's nice.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Sides is nice and then yeah, but I'm trying to
really embrace the bush. But most of my friends a
bush lady.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I love that I'm the only bushy girl in my
little group. Yes, some of like some people have sprouts
and that sort of thing, But I just feel like
our generation went through the laser face.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah, you've lasered everything over a long period of time.
It's done, which would be quite hard if they then
want to grow it back for fun.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, and to enjoy it. Because also I think I
have a bigger orgasm when I have a bush. How
there's more friction when it's quite long.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
More friction, anding that little bit of a texture. Well,
that's the way to sell it.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, that's what I think. That's what I have an
easier orgasm when I have a bush.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I think that actually makes a lot of sense. Yeah,
more more, something's there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah. And then when my Adam has you know, obviously
he doesn't shave. We've seeing him. So it's a lovely combination.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yes, just two Harry Bushes making magic.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
It's beautiful. We love that.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Okay. So do you think though, that this is signifying
a big power shift in the beauty industry or do
you think it's just like for them it's a sleigh,
but the rest of the companies it's kind of just still.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
You mean a power shift in terms of.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Like women just and men claiming something back and going,
you know what, I'm only going to do this. Yeah,
even though it's a patriarchal beauty standard to be hairless
and clean.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Do you think that it's that we are claiming that
back or do you think that it's laziness or I
think it's a combination.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Of a few things. I think it is mainly a
power shift and a sense. Maybe it's not a sense
that specifically we should have bushes, or you know that, Oh,
we're going to screw the man and we're going to
go into our gaze. I'm sure about some people's motivation,
but I think as a whole, beauty in general has
been going more and more towards do whatever you like
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and what's best for you. I think with TikTok and
with algorithms, I think people are going further and further
down what they like. And it can be a bad
thing when it comes to like politics and stuff, but
it can be a really great thing when it comes
to things like beauty and style because you feel more
empowered to do what you want. So if you're interested
in having a bush, or if you're interested to have
I don't know, bleach brows and being like I know,
(15:10):
goth girl or whatever whatever your aesthetic is, you're encouraged
to do that more because there are more people you
can find online to inspire.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Exactly, and that it's not this one ideal. Yes, that
everyone's sort of striving to be.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Yeah, and I think that still exists for sure, But
even things like hair texture, you know, like when I
was growing up, it was like you have to have
dead straight hair, or like you know, I was called
hermione or whatever, and the moment of color got that
a million times more. You know, that's a racial issue
as well. But I think and I hope we're moving
(15:45):
towards more like be the most year you can be
as cliche and sie that's as that sounds. That is
really empowering because what we've been told is to force
our bodies and ourselves to be anything but what we are.
So I think just the message of a neutral messaging,
like what Billy's doing and like a lot of makeup
brands are doing, and.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
That you can if you want to wear makeup, that's great,
wear makeup, but you don't have to then fit in
a certain box and you don't have to look like
that all the time. You don't have to do anything.
I actually saw a really interesting TikTok. I've seen a
few of these sorts and it's such a strong message
that makes me think as someone that's had injectibles and
(16:26):
my tit's done and that sort of thing, like if
you watch a movie from the nineties, Oh everyone looks
so different.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, yeah, everyone.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Different teeth, different lips, different body shapes. Actually, probably a
lot of like still huge skinny vibes back then. Yeah, yeah,
but still different, like some people were more flat chested,
some people had bigger boobies, whatever, and their faces all moved.
Everyone did. And it's at the moment you look in
some different areas and every single person looks exactly the same.
So I see this as more of a I don't
(16:59):
think not to I don't think we're ever unfortunately going
to get back to that time where you did look
around and everyone looked so different. But it's more that
you do sort of think, Okay, no, this is what
I look like. I'm going to do what I want,
but I'm not going to be changing myself because of
what other people think.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yes, yeah, and I think that thing with watching older movies,
it is really it's jarring. Jarring. Yeah, yeah, it's really jarring.
And you kind of because I don't and I go
and watch vintage movies. At this place, it does reruns
of like vintage films. I just do it all the time.
So we just use a random night and just go, oh,
see whatever's on. And yeah, I have a reaction every time.
(17:37):
And it's funny because the men all look they all
the same. The men still in the newer movies or
the older movies. And when even when you see the
previews of the new movies a four years of the
older movie, you go, well, the men are all moving
the same way, inside the same kind of beauty ideal
most of the time. But the women you can see
through generations the extreme changing of goalposts and now it's
(17:58):
it's weird, I think in them getting so thin, it's
now gotten really expansive. Again, I may being optimistic, and
I think as well because my I have years ago
made a really conscious effort to like clean out my
following and for you page and not subscribe to any
toxic messaging from people either that were doing fitness things
(18:18):
purely to have a certain body rather than fitness because
it's this is a good thing to strengthen your core
or whatever, you know, or beauty creators that were maybe
a little bit self hating because that self hate grub
off on you, you know, like, yeah, posting they won't
do anything wrong.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
But can you can absorb it and start to not
think like that. But it's it's about energy really, well,
so to energy are you if you open your phone up,
what are you absorbing?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
And how is that like influencing you. Yeah, and I
think that when people are sitting there going oh I
oh I hate my bags under my eyes or whatever,
then you go, oh do I have that? Or oh
I hate the way that I have wrinkles on my photo.
I have a really bad eleven lines, you know, language
like that, similar to how I don't like that language
around food. It just is not good for the for
the psyche. But because of that, people that I follow
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often are pretty natural. I just want to be able
to move my face when I'm older. Yeah, and I
don't want to. I don't want to lose how I
actually look like I've got a really deviated septum. The
doctor was like, did you break your nose when you
were little? Because it's so it's like don don inside
and also the cartilage. I've been coming an ring about
(19:30):
whether I get a full nose job or I get
just the insides done forever, because I'm like, I want
to get this cosmetically fixed, because my right nostril is
really really in Because of this, I think what happened
was I was on a swing one time when I
was like four years old, and I whacked my face
on the pavement. So I think when it was forming,
it just kind of went like this. So it's quite
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severe and I can't really breathe through my right nostril.
And I think it's also about my voice and everything
for the podcast. But I don't want to get a
noseb because I'm so scared not looking like myself because
I see so many people who don't like themselves and
that's But I do think that it's worth thinking about
if you're getting that work done. I don't think it's
that you're a bad person at all, like I've had
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it done. I just think we need.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
To think about things, but then at the same time
not overthink some things to the extent where we're questioning
every single should I put Maskayra on today?
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yes? What does it say about why I want? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Sometimes we argue against ourselves with those because it was
actually this morning I was saying to my sister about
I said, oh, I'm interviewing Abby today, and she goes
about the bush. She goes, oh, you'll have a lot
to say about that. She always makes jokes about her hair.
Am She's fully lazed, And I said, yeah, well, when Evy,
her daughter who's five, starts growing hair, when she's eleven,
(20:47):
she'll have to come and have a look at me
in the shower to know that hair's are okay, what
are you going to say? And then my sister's like, well,
what are you going to say when your son asks
why you've got such different noses?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And I was like, oh, but it is interesting because
I know I want to be a good feminist. I
don't want to contribute to you know, patriarchal, be your standards.
But it's very oh, it's very easy and accessible to
get all these things. So I don't know. The bush's
a nice little, nice little nod. Yeah, nice sort of
maybe even like a toes dipping.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, it really kisses people off, which is funny.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
They lose them.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Why do you care if someone has else has hair?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Why do you care if I have a bush? Why do
you care? If the absence of an action is so
offensive to them? It's like, what are you and you're
trolling someone or you're getting like shocked and horrified that
someone has pubes as was naturally intended.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I don't know that they do. They just might do
something about it, which is their choice. But that's a
very strange thing to have opinions about, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah. I think it's just a whole lot of self
hatred really, yeah, projection.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, and it does come back to those feelings of cleanliness, which.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, we sort of will.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
I don't know, I don't know where it started. Was
it the porn industry, was it?
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I think it's maybe this's just the association of female
genitals being quote unquote dirty man because of periods. Maybe
maybe it's uh, you know, people do think of vaginas
as dirty inherently, which they are not. The actually only
self cleaning organism, organism organ Okay, okay, they're actually very clean.
This whole idea that women are dirty, therefore vaginas are dirty,
(22:29):
therefore the natural state is dirty. Maybe it's just like
a flow and effect of thousands of years of patriarchy.
I don't know. It's strange though, Yeah, it is strange.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
It's very constantly teach people such simple things like that.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, it's very it feels very backwards because I even
see those ads on and they're funny, Like I see
these ads of like waxes in America, like dropping an
actual cookie on the floor in a pile of hair.
I'm like, go, would you eat this cookie. No if
not coming to me for the best bikini wax of
your life. Right, it's like a silly adeh, Like that's
(23:04):
funny and that's silly, and like it's not like horror offensive,
but I do. But it's think it's that's what the
same thing is it because it's actually not eating a
cookie and swallowing hair. It's actually hair attached to my
skin virofollicle.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
But you're also not that. It's very different.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
You're not eating the hair. No, you're not chewing it. Yeah, yeah,
no one would want to do that. Yeah, no one
would want to do that. And also men don't have
the same messaging of like dropping a hot dog in
a pile of hair, You would you want to suck this?
Like no, no, So just this idea that hair is dirty,
(23:40):
even though hair prevents infection from coming in back to
her from coming in.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
The reason it's there is to protect us.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Ever a reason. Yeah, it's actually a useful thing. And
even with like vaginal washes, the washes and stuff I
go and people really like, you know, my friends from
my school used to talk about, like, guys, it's really
bad for you, and they would kind of shame me
for not using those things in a subtle way, not
(24:08):
going ha ha. You know, they go, oh, yeah, you
don't wash, why you should watch it? Should wash it
one of those soaps. Yeah, or it's like that's why
you're getting yout eyes. It's like, actually, I'm getting you
two eyes because I have perfect flow dysfunction queen. But well,
you know, looking back now, I go, that's why. But
that wasn't because I wasn't using a cleaning product to scrub. Yeah, yeah,
(24:33):
because cleaning it yeah yeah yeah. So it's very funny
the way that we inherently see female genitalia or anything
surrounding as inherently.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Dirty, whereas men have never had that.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
No, no, no, just even though it's there's've all smelt
one or two that needed a bit of a sexy. Oh,
let's get in the shower for a see, let's do
a sexy wash of your ball.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
When I was single, I never ever had a man
come over and did not get straight into the shower.
Just really it was just I'm a bit of a
germ person as well, but I was always like, it's
just a thing I ever want to have to deal with,
so let's just shower straight away.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Just let's just get it.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Let's just get straight in some people do. That's it's
not normal that he is into it so hot, but
he's into He's into everything me.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
He asked me about undies for as long as I can,
and he takes it on tour.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
It lasts longer for him.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, he loves it.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, if it was just a day, it would have
last loved so loved. What about the skims that you know.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
They did that? I didn't. I Everyone's like, you love this?
I was like, why would I love someone who has
lais their entire body, profiting off other women who have
laid their entire body and succumb to beauty pressures. Why
would I love then profiting even more by making the
(26:03):
bush a fashion? I get that.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
It's also did you see that they've got they their
recent reports came out about the working climate and it
scored lower. This is just a bit of a PSA
for when it's called lower than sheen and TIMU.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Really how about that? Really?
Speaker 1 (26:19):
That's awful selling fake bushes?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
WHOA see that's oh that's fucked. See I I if
someone received that message as all the bushes back in
that I like that message. You know if there's someone
that was said overall, I think it's a bit fucking ridiculous.
And I think I saw an interview with Kim Kardashian
even saying that she they just thought it was funny.
It's like, but why is it funny? People? It was
(26:45):
something why is that funny?
Speaker 1 (26:46):
White people spending eighty dollars on something that they're actually
not gonna wear. What are you gonna wear your undies over?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, it's making fun of pubic care again and then
trying to make it some avant garde, crazy wild thing.
It's it's othering. That's why I didn't like it. It felt
like it was pointing out us. Imagine but guys, imagine
how crazy. I'll be fine at Bush. It's like you,
naturally we do have bushes, and it's fine. It's fine
that you don't. But it's the additional messaging of this
(27:15):
is funny, this is ridiculous, and also I'm going to
make money off it after you know, I've been a
someone who's been pushing these beauty standard about having no hair,
which is also fine whatever, but it's.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, it was a bit weird because I think that
some people are trying to position it as liberating. It's
absolutely not though.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
No, no, no, no, it's not at all. It's not at all.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
It's describing and into it into this weird ideal that
she's been like, no, but we don't have bushes, but
we can wear these funny little yeah things.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah. I didn't like it.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Okay, So you recently took a social media break after
lots of trolling, lots of very traumatizing trolling, including I
don't think people ever truly think about what they're writing
to people online, that it's an actual person, and how
(28:08):
I just always think when I see things, you would
not say that to my face, or you would not
say that to that person's face. You not walk up
to the ministry. I mean some psychopaths actually would. Oh
my god, I got shoulder charged this morning.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
What what?
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I actually burst out laughing though, because I was so surprising,
and I was walking along and I was holding my coffee.
I was literally just like yeah, and then this chick
proper not just accidentally bumped into me, shoulder charged me
and so bad that my coffee went and I just
(28:42):
spun around. Everyone's going, oh my god, are you're okay?
But my reaction was just to burst out laughing.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
It's like, wild, what did that actually just happen? Nary,
that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Most people, though, don't ever attack people in real life.
So it's I just think that the parasocial relationship that
some people think that it's okay tout different things.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, it's weird. It's it's really really weird, and really
what a strange way to expend your time.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Well, we had Indy Clinton in here a couple of
months ago, and it was after she went through that
whole like p I and she and I were having
a bit of a laugh because I was like, imagine
if you found out your friend was a troll.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
That's what I say, Like you would you had.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I wouldn't be friends one of my friends.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
If I foun out my friends was a troll, I
would genuinely like if if it was my best friend,
you know, I would genuinely call their parents. I would
be like, something seriously wrong with this person, Like they
need some serious serious But they.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Would be so embarrassed. People would be.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
So embarrassed around them.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
Knew what they were doing.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
They're losers. If you were like.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
So what are you doing your spare time?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I write mean things about I said on this forum
called Tattle, and I don't have any friends in in
real life, but I sit there and I troll through
all different influences in Australia and I find reasons why
they're evil.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Or I comment that girl has backfat that looks like
fish skills on. That was a good one I got
one time.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
That's oh fish creative. I thought, that's see. Sometimes you
kind of go, that's quite.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Good sometimes chuckle poetic because at least it was creative.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, they're really they're really obsessed. I mean, it's funny,
like the start of the conversation was saying that I'm
a junkie and then I'm an addict, and it's like,
because I have personality. It's really cute because obviously they're
so boring that they don't it's a projection. They're like,
and oh yeah, so you're at the front of the
heroin clinic. I go, what also heroin clinics? If I
was a heroin much more mellow. Okay, let's get off
(30:54):
right those videos talk of the zombies. Yeah, you know,
if I was on ventanyl, i'd be I wouldn't be
posting every day. How did I do the podcast, they
eating their drugs, so it's like it's very yeah, it's
it's it's very funny the way that these people it's
just a projection of themselves. But it is scary when
it's like threats with your address and also when it's
(31:15):
concerned it's like anything that is posted of me, these
people just like flock to it and then lie about
me in the comments, and it's just like, well, you
guys are like your only hobby is hating me, and
that's really weird to it about like I've seen I've
seen like ten a week's so weird. Abby Chefood is
(31:35):
a grub, Aby Chaffood has eights, Aby chaffeld junkie Abby Chatfield. Yeah,
like like this, like this is not uncommon. People people
said to me, like, don't worry about it. I go,
you have.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
No No, you have no idea unless you've been in
that position, and even then you can't say don't worry
about it. But with so, you know, working with Billy,
you body autonomy huge, yes, part of that, but how
do you protect the mental side of yourself? Like when
it comes to this with so much toxicity online, is
(32:05):
it taking breaks?
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, I guess taking breaks It was also reminding myself that,
like you were just saying, and Adam always you know,
it says, he's like these people who we don't know
anyone that would do anything like this, and there's thousands
of these losers.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I want to even write a rude Google review even
after I've had a bad experience.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Never. Never, the only reviews that I write are five
stars because you're like, oh my god, that was a man, like.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
You know, you want to give them the props, the yes,
not that I don't. I actually think that Google reviews
are if you have a bad experience, and that's a
fine way to express totally I think anger.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
But yeah, it just means it's.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
The fact that you're going online purely to express anger.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Just block me as well, like people that had fuck
average outfield signs at this like the March for Australia
Ally it's like I'm not a politician, like you can
feel like why did you boys get arts and crafts
together to like like you can just block me, like
I'm not even on TV anymore.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Like having you as the podcast, like did you not
go to that rally for your own racist beliefs? Like
wouldn't you have preferred to have a sign about that then.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, yeah, no, but they don't have anything they're really
fighting for.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
But they just wanted to go.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
They just wanted to go to feel included.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
My bad the little the flag around the next.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Oh they're so cute, aren't they. But I also Adam
says to me, he's like, when I get really upset
about it, he's like, name one person that matters that
thinks negatively of you. I can never think of anyone.
I can never think of anyone like anyone that I
actually care what they think, that thinks negatively of me.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
And I also think that there's something to be said
about it was on a I think it was an
episode of The Imperfects where they talked about the courage
to be disliked. Yeah, because I often think that even
if someone I do respect dislikes me, if they're not
being rude, though, that's still okay, because I'm not going
to get along well with everyone. And like, there have
(34:04):
been lots of people I work with before that I
didn't necessarily get along well with and they probably wouldn't
have the nicest things to say about me. Yeah, but
they wouldn't go and write about it. Online.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
No, that is a whole other even even think of
like the worst person that you know. I don't think
they would even like I think of the worst people
that I know.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Behind your back on my whatsap, Chuck person.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yes, like like be normal or like even like you're
like weirdest X, like that's what I'm thinking of. I'm like,
you wouldn't even like like and you're a complete nutter,
Like imagine the level you have to be to be
spending your time and these people are like dedicated.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
So it's pretty weird scary.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah, it's pretty weird in summary, but we knew they'd
be mad about the billy the billy post that was.
It's very funny watching how weak and fragile they are
like and also like that photo. It's even that it
was like a dream bush. It was an edited bush
to be like, this is what I want. Guys. It's
slowly coming back from the laser. It's quite prominent in
(35:04):
the middle, but on the side it's not quite spreading
where you wanted it though. Yeah, it is where I
wanted it, but I kind of wanted the really hot
photo with the bush. I was like, this is my
get there.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
I think I was twenty six.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, we're getting a few out here now. So we've
got some spots.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Which I could like lend you some really, because I'm
just so easily transcriber has so many friends.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
We love it all right.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
You have curly hair, yes, guilty, Yes, funny story.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
So do I really?
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, But because it's so bleached, it's just fried.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, it was like when I was blonde.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yeah, Aussie summer is awful for frizz humidity. That's another reason.
If I just let my hair towel dry.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
You would you would laugh. But I should do it.
I should come and do what I do in my
hair to your hair. We could see it wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Work, though, I don't because it's so fried bleach. Tell
us what your top tips or products are when it
comes to having curly hair in summer, because a lot
of us don't know what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Okay, I think the biggest tip I think you can
get products of all price ranges that are really really good.
I recently did a clad with a Bit Hippie, which
is an Australian brand, really really good. I've also won
with Garniere and I have been using Ghanna for ages
of hair food. Chris Appleton like the colour Wow, it's
your high end. I think the products as long as
(36:28):
you have a really good conditioner that you like, like
with a bit hippie. I made my own setting spray
with the conditioner. You just got like a glob of
conditioner and put it in like a in a like
a spray container and just do like, yeah, a decent amount.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Use it with water.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Yeah, with water, sorry, yeah. Use that conditioner in the
shower as like a co wash. So I don't really
shampoo my hair either. I shampooed like once every like
two weeks. Get dirty, no, because I co wash. So
I get conditioner in my roots and rub it in
so it's really hydrated, and then do all the mask
and then when you get out, then you use that
mask spray, so it's kind of like leaving a bit
(37:06):
in there, but it's not globby in there, so it
then gets light and fluffy. So I think the biggest
thing is, well, I think the biggest, biggest, biggest thing
is stop dyeing your hair. Because one s that's of
dying my hair, it was pretty easy to get it good.
But I think if you're not going to do that,
keeping it a hydrated and using kind of consistent simple products.
I think. I think it's very the curl this and
(37:28):
this and this and this necessarily come mist doesn't. I
think just use a basic product you can use as
long as that aunt silver cones or sulfates. In my experience,
it's good.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
It's not going to weigh it down then.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
No, it's not. And it's also going to keep your
curl pattern really nice. But I actually think summer is
my best time for my hair, some of my favorite
time for my hair. Winter sucks because it takes too
long to dry.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah, summer because I haven't been hair dry.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yeah, so it's actually a dream for me in someone.
But yeah, I think using one product consistently throughout, just
like keeping it really simple and it's getting it hydrated
is the best way. And I've been plotting it before
bed as well, which I thought would ruin the curls.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
But if you do it looser, it just sort of
like and it stops you mushing around if you are
a musher.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yes, yeah, exactly, so I think protected when you sleep
and also use a lot of conditioning hydrating stuff to
get it nice. Yeah, it's really good, like having and
it's so much less stress, so much money. I was
paid dollars six weeks. I was like, sorry, thousand dollars.
I'm out. I'm out now, I'm out.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Someone asked me if being a blonde was expensive. I
was like, yes, time as well.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Time spends six hours and one thousand dollars every six weeks.
Is if I had TV stuff, it had to be
it had to be fresh. I couldn't just let it
like go out. And then I was like, I actually
can't do this anymore. No, it's I was seeing so
much time, so much money. I don't my hair's brittle
to be share.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I do not spend that. I spent three hundred dollars
every two months and it takes her two hours. But
it's because I go to a ninja at her own
house and she like and she knows what you want
as well exactly.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
I don't go to any of those fancy salons, which
are great, but they just take so long.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, yeah they do. I don't want to be there
for six hours. Yes, so don't have time. Skincare? What
do you love?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
What do you think is overrated?
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Ooh? I actually am obsessed with well doctor spiller have
you ever used that? Yea to Spiller love that have
an obsession, but I think and that's high end, but
then I think equally is good for a night cream?
Is the serah V like a bomb, the advanced bum,
the advanced balm, the advanced repair balm? So good? My lip?
(39:37):
I had a burn on my lip. I don't know
what from. I don't know if it was like I
got chili in a cracked lip or something. Then it
just expanded. It was for maybe two or three months.
It was it was almost like a cold sauce size
my lip, but it wasn't a cold saw. And I
use that one overnight and it fixed it. So the
Sarah V.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
It like if I get crusty out of my nose
if after a cold, Yeah, no, it's it's magic. I
did put on my entire face before bed dry.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Yeah I'm pretty dry. Yeah, my entire face before bed,
even like my ears and my dec liotage. And I
think that'srobably like one of my holy Grail products. And
it's what under twenty dollars not affordable, it's so amazing,
But doctor Spiller for higher end, but Sarah like sarahly
basic stuff. I'm really reactive. My skin's really reactive. So
any fragrances or anything that really ruins my skin.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
So yeah, And do you have like a pretty simple routine.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yeah, yeah, and I get skin.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
You don't really strike me as someone that's like got
my twenty one steps.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
No, I used to be. I used to be, but
then I was breaking out if like I ran out
of one because it was like this maybe like this
balance of pH on my skin was like relying on
every single step. Yes, so it was like one change and.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
It would just go crazy once again, very expensive when
it's that twenty one steps didn't no one.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah, it's so needling. I go to a facille owned
by two gorgeous women.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
We've had them on before.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
They're amazing and they're so lovely, and it's like the
needling has been incredible.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Also huge fan. I had awful acne in my twenties.
Really needling's beautiful skinling.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Wow, it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
It's so good, like the only thing that ever cleared
it up.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
I love it. The pain is gnarali when I do that,
find it that bad? See when I have period, it's
so bad, but usually okay, But when they put the
acid on afterwards because I get an acid thing.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Up that would burn Freddy Krueger afterwards.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
Yeah, a little bit, but it's okay.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
I've gone out for dinner though afterwards I'm like, I
don't care. I just had a facial treatment. Yeah, you
flushed and gorgeous, kay, and you know that I'm going
to look really hot. Finally, what is the best tip
or product you've picked up make up addition, because you've
had your makeup done by incredible people.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
So many times. Yeah, I think the one that I
use the most, and it's probably pretty obvious, but it's
using the same color on your like the same product
with lipstick on your lips, cheeks and eyes.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
That's not obvious. I think you're the first person that's
ever said that. Really, Yeah, I completely agree with you.
Is so beautiful.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
It's easy. No, but I should blum on you. Please
try it and then on and then just a little
on the.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Wash on the cheek and then a lip. I honestly
think that that would be iconic on you. That's a
really good idea because against the blue and then the
contrast of the hair, gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Thank you so welcome. Use one product because my makeup
a lot of makeup artists do that on TV to
make it look cohesive and just and just.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
Like you don't really know what's going on, but it's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Yeah. And it's all the same texture as well, like
it just looks like, yeah, not too natural, but it's
it's really beautiful. And then like when I travel, I'll
just take like one lipstick and then foundation like a
little tiny bag because I can just if I get desperado,
I can just use that like holiday or whatever.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah, thank you, Abby, thank you, We appreciate having you.
Thank you well, Thank you so much to the glorious
Abby Chatfield. If you love this deep dive into koalas
the Bush and challenging some pretty old beauty standards, make
sure to like this video, subscribe, let us know who
you want to see on the pod, and watch our
(43:16):
other Formula episodes because we've got a bunch. Bye.
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