September 8, 2025 • 24 mins
Remember Amy Clark from the early You Beauty days? The OG Youbies are about to squeal with delight because Mamamia's lifestyle editor is BACK! Amy's been on quite the beauty industry journey since we last saw her - from Adore Beauty to Alpha H, she's seen it all from behind the scenes. And honestly? Her skin looks even more incredible than it did 6 years ago.
This week on The Formula, Amy shares her surprisingly minimal skincare routine, the juicy industry secrets she's picked up, and why that expensive serum might actually be the same formula as your chemist favourite. Plus, Amy dishes on her most memorable celebrity interviews - including Trinny Woodall's iconic office visit complete with an instant bra size assessment - and shares her life-changing advice for us all.
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The Body Shop Spa of the World Japanese Camellia Cream $43
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Hosts: Kelly McCarren
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges
the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast
is recorded on Makeup is my therapy in love. I'm
obsessed and I don't even feel guilty about it.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hello, and welcome to you beauty. I'm Kelly McCarran, and
this is the formula today. I've got someone really special.
And I know I say that every week, but for
our og ubi's you are going to squeal with delight
because our lifestyle editor Amy Clark.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Is back in the building.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
So long time listeners will remember Amy from the early
You Beauty days and we're so excited to have her
back to catch up and see what's changed in her
beauty world because it's been a little bit of time.
She's now writing about beauty trends all day and honestly,
her skin looks even more incredible than it did.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Five or six years or however that was in COVID time.
We're all looking a little bit grim, weren't we? Welcome
back Amy?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Hello, Hello, So.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I thought before we get started, our producers prepared a
little flashback, oh six.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Years ago, don't don't down, doo.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Doo doo doo doo doo. Hello and welcome to you, beauty.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
This is Mom and Me's podcast for Your Face. I'm
Kelly McCarran.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
And I'm Amy Clark. I'm Mom and Me as resident
beauty writer, and I'm feeling in while our fearless leader
Lee Campbell is on maternity leave. It actually makes me
want to don't You shouted a little flat? Maybe you
were tired, but I.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Was thinking exactly the same thing.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I was so tired that day, clearly, like that was
the best you could find.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Really, Kelly, half asleep?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Oh what a trip down memory? You just called that
out too.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Sounds like I do not sound thrilled at all.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
You're such beautiful skill.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
But how.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So let's get straight into it then, Amy, for anyone
you here, tell us a little bit about yourself, and
to anyone old really, because maybe they don't know what
you've been doing.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I know, right, I mean they haven't been keeping tabs
on me, I mean rude. Yeah. Hi, if we haven't met,
my name is Amy Clark. I am Mama MIA's lifestyle editor.
I have always been obsessed with beauty. I've been in
the beauty world for almost the last ten years doing
all sorts of bits and pieces, but yeah, I'm back
at Mamma Mia. This was my first ever real grown
(02:43):
up job was at Mamma Mia in twenty sixteen. So
I am just so tough to be back with you.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Lee Campbell always said that Amy was like her little
protege back in the day because.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You were really young entering the world. As you said,
it was your first grown up job.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And Lee was like, she's just so smart, so talented,
She's gonna go so many places. What was your role
at Mamma Mia five or six years ago? Whenever you left?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
So my last role here was send your lifestyle producer.
And og Ubi's would remember me because when Lee went
on maternity leave, I stepped in to her very big
shoes to feel the co hosting opportunity. So I was
interviewing our you know back in the day we used
to do in their bag or in her bag, So
(03:30):
I used to host that and then I'd sit alongside you,
my friend, and with you know, dish out beauty advice
now spendy savies.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
And it's so funny because our producers who started earlier
in the year, they were like, oh my goodness, you're
gonna love Amy.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
You'll meet her soon when she comes to Sydney.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
And I was like, lol, like she's my daughter.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Very I mean, were very well. I don't know about
that because you're not that.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
We also got very close during a very strange time
in the world sometimes, like Amy and I were the
only people that would see each other some days during
the week that wasn't our partners because it was during
COVID times year recording.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
It was a very strange time to be alive. So
we know each other very.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Well, yes, And I was like, obviously, I've come to
know Kelly very well, but I was very star struck
when I first had to kind of get me that
get the ring up to go next to, like Kelly mccaren.
You have never told me that. It's a little bit embarrassing,
but you know, it was like all of this stuff
was like completely new to me. You've always been a writer,
(04:35):
so I love to talk obviously, but getting kind of
you know, all of this kind of podcast world was
really new to me. And you just were that person
that you were just like such a pro and it
was very nerve wracking. But that is how lucky it was.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I through it that that's how you felt.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
And because I sort of felt like I knew and
I really liked you. My love language is roasting, so
you probably would just like roasted from the get go,
and you're like, Okay, she's a bit of an interesting character.
What have you been doing since you scrammed it's the
last time.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, well i've been in.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
You moved to Melbourne?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I did so. Yeah, I'm working for Mommy. I'm based
in Melbourne, so it is very exciting to get to
fly up to the new office here in Sydney Arish schmick,
isn't it is? It is? I feel like very fancy pants.
But what I've been doing, I guess the last five
years since I was last on New Beauty, I've been
in the beauty world, but just from some different.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Side, which is bringing so much knowledge and expertise in different.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Parts of the beauty world, which I think is so interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I'll try, I'll do my best, but yeah, from a
background of kind of reporting and writing and trialing products
for mom and mea. I then went to a dooor Beauty,
which is you know, probably a retailer that comes up
on New Beauty all the time, because you know, one
of Australia's biggest beauty retailers. I was running content there,
you know, very much the same kind of thing, writing articles,
(06:02):
trialing products, but also commissioning writers. So that kind of
exposed me to like a side of beauty that I
hadn't seen before, which is like on the retailer side.
So working with you know, all kind of three hundred
plus brands that are stopped there kind of navigating also
some of the politics of beauty.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Well yeah, because were you allowed to ever write about
products that weren't listed on site?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Oh no, yeah, fair enough enough, because that was kind
of like it was very similar content that I was creating,
but by nature it was all branded content because it's
for the brands that we stopped that we stopped. So
I did that for about two and a half years,
and then I took another little kind of career roundabout
(06:50):
and went to work in house at one beauty brand.
So most recently I was senior brand and content manager
at Alpha h which is if you're familiar with the
iconic liquid gold excoliating treatment. Yeah, it's a like thirty
year old Australian beauty brand, very known and loved amongst
the ubi's Oh yeah, so good and I have so
(07:10):
much love for our h but it is really fun
to now kind of when you work for one brand,
that brand is your world and like you know, you
have those blinders on. It's just full obsession with the
one brand. But I did everything there from kind of
overseeing new product launchers like campaigns, working a little bit
(07:31):
on innovation towards the end, you know, getting to help
come up with the product names and like how we're
going to position this product to the market as well
as you know, then all the other things that come
along with being a beauty brand. So iran influence yea
one exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
She was like there to speak about the product, ye
as the face.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Of the product, and I was like, hey, what are
you doing here?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
So stuff like that. Also, you know, organizing menia events,
so you know, me sliding into Kelly CMS being like
please come to my launch event and yeah, really fun.
So now I'm kind of come all the way back around.
So yeah, it's been a really fun ride. And I
still love beauty as much as I did when I
was last on this podcast.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
And can you share one pervy thing that you think
people would be surprised and want to know like something
real juicy about beauty brands or working behind the scenes
in general.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Probably that it's more common than you would think that
brands launch products with a formula that they haven't actually
created from end to end. So you hear a lot
about how brands kind of they might have purchased a
base formula from a manufacturer. I didn't realize when I
first started working for a brand that like not every
product is made like one hundred percent in house by
(08:48):
the brand, which is just interesting in itself. It's just
a little that is.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
So juicy and very topical at the moment because a
lot of people have recently found out as an example
with sunscreen Gate, well actually it was the same formula
with a lot of different brands selling it under a
different name exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
So it reads a little bit of BTS. Actually, that's
a good one.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yes, looking back through everything that you did for in
Her Bag and everyone that you interviewed, what was your
most memorable interview?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Oh, my goodness, in me?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Was it me?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I'm pretty sure I did. I mean, you are just
always memorable, Kelly McCarran.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
But one of them, I tell you, I need to
poo y, take my shoes or.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Do a urp into the microphone or something like that. Hey,
we've all been there, but I've had a couple. One
that I would say is, and you know, if anyone
look at me talking as if I'm some like big shop,
but if people if ubs want to sleuth and like figure.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Out who this was, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I had one guest who came in and when they
came into the office, you know, the producer, and I
would greet them, Hey, so nice to meet you. I'm
really looking forward to interview you. And she was just
kind of like, you know, blank Stonewall, just you know,
oh hello.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Also what you think of when you think of a
rude celeb type thing, well.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Just very kind of like dead pan. I'm thinking, oh
my god, this interview is going to be, like how
am I going to pull this out of them? We
go into the studio, the lights go on, the microphones
start recording, and they came to life. They became that
person that they are on TV, and it was like
a flick of a switch. And then same at the
end the last thanks so much for coming on the show.
(10:30):
Thank you, bam. Straight back to the other one, So
that was just like one of those things where you
see somebody on TV or that and you wonder, I
wonder what they're laughing in real life? Awful, your word's
not mine.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
But the other one, Wow, I'm so desperate to know
who this was.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Now I'm going to ask you later recording.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
So the other one that it comes to mind is
Trinny Woodle. So everybody knows Trinny Woddle, if not from
her kind of naughties UK makeover show What Not to Wear,
then you might know her from her Triny Beauty products.
But on her first trip to Australia, she came into
Themma Mere office and Maya Friedman and Trine just got
on like a house on fire because you know, sparkly clothes,
(11:13):
the fashion and just like the personality. They were like
a match made in heaven. But she came into the
office and I interviewed her for in her bag, and
I just remember I was so nervous, and she came
in and she kind of sat down.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I was like, oh, she's so really good.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
She also well she actually the first thing she did
was she just you know, put a packet of SIGs
on the table and went Okay, darling, let's do this.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Oh my god, I don't know why. That just made
me love her even more. She didn't even try to
hide it.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
So British. Yeah, that is so so British. So that
naughty's that error. But she also told me she just
looked at me and said, you're wearing the wrong bra.
She literally could tell by looking at me that I
was wearing the wrong brass eyes and were you. Oh yeah,
I reckon, I was. I mean, aren't we all Sometimes
I'm not wearing a brass so it must be nice. Wow.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Okay, those are two absolutely incredible tidbits.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
All right, how has your routine personally changed?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Oh my gosh, A lot, a lot, and like you've
aged as we all. Well, thanks no, I am like
sparklier than ever. Oh thanks Dole. But I think actually
the reason why my routine has changed so much is
not probably for the reason you would think. So. You know,
when you work in beauty, as you know you're trialing
(12:42):
lots of products, you're also just so in the sphere
of like all the new launchers, what's coming that there's
always like you're in that whirlwind of like I want
to try new things. I want to add the latest
and greatest to my routine and then if you go
and you're not in that environment. And actually a lot
of my colleagues that I used to work with at
Adoor Beauty would say this too. Is that once i'd
(13:04):
like re entered the real world or like you know,
the average university, yeah, the non beauty life, they were like, oh,
I actually like my routine. Like it's just stripped right back.
You know, it's not multiple serums. It's like, you know,
just one or two. It's much more simple. And like
the impact that that can also have on your skin
(13:25):
is you know, not surprising to us, but maybe to
the average person. Like sometimes I say, my skin's better
than it's ever been because I'm using less shit. But
my routine specifically, I never used to have, like my
skin types of the same. I've always had super dry skin,
very prone to redness. I'm always running a million degrees
(13:46):
so and sweating.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You must be quite hot at the moment.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I know, fluffy red card again, I brought my cardigan
from Melbourne.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
When I'm sitting here sleevelessless.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah, I love that. But probably the thing that changed
my routine fundamentally was developing periol dermatitis. So I never
used to have any issues trialing any products. You know,
would slap on vitamin A, no issues, loving life. And
then there was a particular article that I was writing
when I was at Adoor Beauty where I needed to
(14:19):
use a whole routine from one specific brand brand can
remain nameless. They recommended me a routine and I thought, okay,
like they've recommended it. It was recommended by their head
of education. You know, this should be fine. And the
routine actually included like you know, it was like an
exfoliating cleanser, then a liquid exfoliant, then an ah bh
(14:42):
blah blah blah, and I just saw at the time.
I remember like I'm doing the routine. You have to
film it. So I'm doing the routine and I'm thinking
I probably shouldn't do this, you know, when like you're
trialing something or sometimes trust.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
What they're saying, but then in the background like this isn't.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Right, or I was just like, I'm going to be
a good investigative journalist here and I'm gonna try the
routine that.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Was set destroy my skin barrier.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, same like food that you know that you shouldn't eat,
but you're like, oh, maybe this time will be fine.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Maybe I'm not going to get the trots from people.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, so I put the you and the poo again. Sorry,
I literally.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I've needed to go since eight am.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Oh okay, do you need a break?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
No, well I've been holding it in all day.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, okay, back to the routine. Basically, I applied this
exfoliating serum on top of a liquid exfoliant. As I
could have predicted red ring of fire around my mouth instantly.
I had to actually wash it all off because it
was like it was literally like red red ring around
(15:48):
the nose around this like you know, the nasal laby
kind of folds here, dry and flaky for weeks, and
you know, I went to where I usually go to
have my skin treatments and she's like, yeah, that's periold
dermatitis kind of like contact because it's you know, because
of triggered by using skin care products that two exactly,
(16:10):
and then ever since, like I've not been able to
use skincare the same ever since, and that was probably
like four years ago now, so I don't always have it,
but like I have to think twice now before I
put something on my face. So it just means that
like I'm probably not using as much skincare as what
you might think, literally like I don't wash my face,
(16:33):
like no cleansing in the morning, like I'm a one
serum moisturize of sunscreen, and then at night time like
maybe I exfoliate once a week and I might use
a nice cinamid serum face oil. Like it's so pared back,
it's so boring.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
As we heard on Friday's episode, there isn't a vene
moisturize that you're obsessed with. But can you just name
a couple of others that have been constants that you
just absolutely love in your routine.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Absolutely well obviously like knowing that most recently I was
working at Alpha H so there's gonna be there's you know.
And also the great thing about when you work for
a brand is you get your stuff discounts, so naturally
you stock up. So probably like the Alphah balancing cleanser
is a product that I use a lot, like a
cream cleanser, no fragrance, great for dry skin, and just
(17:25):
like that's after my you know, I remove my makeup
with my cleansing balm, then I use that the even
moisturizer Ultraviolet Supreme Screen. That's actually a product that has
been in my routine for like since the last time
I was here.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You are back in the beauty seat of seeing everything
before it comes out. What do you think is going
to be making us all very poor in spring summer?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Well, from a makeup perspective, like immediately, I feel like
as soon as Taylor Swift's album comes out, everyone's going
to be getting on the orange bandwagon, like orange fashion,
orange makeup.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Is it orange themed?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, So her album It's the Life of a show
Girl the color because she has colors associated with her albums.
It's orange, but it's like a it's actually a very
mumma mea orange.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
It's burnt.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
It's like it's a bright orange. Oh cool. But so
I think like we'll be seeing like all different shades
of orange from like your peach and coral through to
like that like bricky burnt orange caramel. I love that though, Yeah,
And then I guess in skincare, it's like all just
with it's all these treatments, like all the different innovations
(18:43):
that are coming out in formulas, like the different types
of compounds that you haven't heard of before. Names you
can't pronounce, just kind of like getting a lot more techy.
I think, yeah, like all of the salmon sperm basically
well yeah, pdrn as we call it in the industry,
not salmon jes.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I did get a lot of dms from people that
were like, I appreciate that you asked doctor Nami if
someone was jacking off the salmons, because everyone.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
That that's the snails now the salmon.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
The poor, poor sluggy creatures.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
All right, A bit of a budget reality check, Amy Clark.
Not everyone can afford the expensive stuff you write about.
What is the best drug store find you have found
that really rivals all of the fancy products apart from
the event Moistrasa, because you showed us how much you
loved that in Friday's episode.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I reckon it's color cosmetics. Like in terms of lipsticks,
lip products, like the lip products that I find, like
there's nothing better than just trolling like your chemist ware
house or your price line literally and like going through
having a look. So I think like lip products specifically,
but also like when it comes to skincare, you know,
(20:02):
if it's brands that are all owned by the same
parent company, say like a Laureal Paris versus you know,
not comparing it to skin pseuiticals, but both owned by
Laurel like Laroche Pezz for example, Sarah Vi or owned
under the same umbrella, so like they are all privy
to those more accessible brands benefit from the heavy investment
(20:25):
that the more kind of science led brands have put
in over the years.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
So they're really good BTS insight because you can then
trust the more affordable products they might have be using
the same quality ingredients, but the research is.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, or it's just like and not every product is
right for everyone, but like if you know, it's just
interesting understanding which brands are owned by which parent companies.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I think in general, yeah, there's like five that own
ninety percent of brands pretty much. What is one step
you never skip even when you're running late and you're
not allowed to say SBF.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, I mean I've talked a lot about lips. I
mean I've said it so many times that my natural
color is basically translation why or with like a blue
corpse like undertone. So I'm never going to go out
with just a clear lip balm on or a clear gloss. Ever,
so it's always going to be a lip and browse clear,
bra Jael.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Okay, we're just quickly going to finish off today's episode
with a stand by your brand segment.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Amy. The producers have put this together.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
With some beauty receipts, which I love a receipt I love,
like there's nothing better than screenshotting a stenting each to someone.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah you did.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
We're going to go back in time six years ago,
the thirteenth of August twenty nineteen, a Spandy Savy episode.
Oh my god, all right, Amy, your spendy was the
Elizabeth Arden eight hour Cream lip.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
What a surprise, a lip product, lip.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Protectant stick in a sheer tint twenty eight dollars.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Oh, I stand by it, but it's not in my
current routine. Probably also because once I started working in
a door beauty, you basically like your whole world becomes
the brands that a stop there, and this is a
mech exclusive product. So I still rate it, but it's
not currently in my routine.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
And your savor was the Cora's Black Pepper Cashmere lemonwood
eed et sixty five dollars. This was clearly when we like,
this was clearly a Kelly math episode. It's an affordable
EDT and the lip product is twenty eight dollars.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, Kelly Math, YEA yeah. I'm not sure what six
years ago me was thinking there, but I still love
that fragrance, like it's so good and actually unisex, so
like Sam would my husband, Sam would still use that
as well.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Okay, My spendy was the Body Shop spar of the world,
Japanese Camellia cream. Listen, that is ringing your bell and
it sounds beautiful.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I don't know her.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
I don't know her.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
It is ringing a bell, and I, if I recall correctly,
this smelt incredible. So I'm pretty sure I was probably
banging on about how beautiful this smelt.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
But did I ever repurchase it? No, looking back, I
don't even know if it exists anymore.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Sorry, the body sh.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
And my saving I do not remember recommending this at all.
Fenty Beauty fly Liner long wear liquid eye liner. I'm
pretty sure I've recently said I've not used many fancy
products in my life.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
That was a lie, apparently, Listen. I'm sure it was great.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I don't recommend things unless they're great, of course, but don't.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Recall these, so they're not part of my current routine.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I think it's safe to say you've recommended like thousands
of products over the years. You'd be like the seven
years of this podcast, So we'll give you a pass there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
It would have been cool though, if this was like
a product that work one of them out of all
of ours.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Was a product that we were like still dedicated to.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
We didn't sync up very well, no juice.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
But also that also would say that we're not very
good at our jobs because we're not trialing enough things.
Well lucky, I'm back, yes, exactly, all right, Amy, final question,
do you have any beauty words to live by? I'm
in a bit of a silly mood, so if you
say something earnest, I might giggle.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Okay, well I hope to make you laugh anyway, But
I actually do. I don't don't always actually live by them,
but I always repeat them to myself. If in doubt,
wash your hair. You know those times when you're like
should I should I wash my hair? Oh, you will
always regret it, hands down.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Exhibit A Exhibit A.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
That Okay, that was in Earnest, that was bab Well
that's it for today. Thank you so much for joining me.
Amy it is you have given us so much juicy goss.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Really appreciate it, really fun. Thank you so much for
having me back.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
If you want more beauty insights and product recommendations, don't
forget to check out Amy's work on the MoMA Me website.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Bye, see you next time.
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges
the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast
is recorded on Makeup is my therapy in love. I'm
obsessed and I don't even feel guilty about it.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Hello, and welcome to you beauty. I'm Kelly McCarran, and
this is the formula today. I've got someone really special.
And I know I say that every week, but for
our og ubi's you are going to squeal with delight
because our lifestyle editor Amy Clark.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Is back in the building.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
So long time listeners will remember Amy from the early
You Beauty days and we're so excited to have her
back to catch up and see what's changed in her
beauty world because it's been a little bit of time.
She's now writing about beauty trends all day and honestly,
her skin looks even more incredible than it did.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Five or six years or however that was in COVID time.
We're all looking a little bit grim, weren't we? Welcome
back Amy?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Hello, Hello, So.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I thought before we get started, our producers prepared a
little flashback, oh six.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Years ago, don't don't down, doo.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Doo doo doo doo doo. Hello and welcome to you, beauty.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
This is Mom and Me's podcast for Your Face. I'm
Kelly McCarran.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
And I'm Amy Clark. I'm Mom and Me as resident
beauty writer, and I'm feeling in while our fearless leader
Lee Campbell is on maternity leave. It actually makes me
want to don't You shouted a little flat? Maybe you
were tired, but I.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Was thinking exactly the same thing.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I was so tired that day, clearly, like that was
the best you could find.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Really, Kelly, half asleep?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Oh what a trip down memory? You just called that
out too.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Sounds like I do not sound thrilled at all.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
You're such beautiful skill.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
But how.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
So let's get straight into it then, Amy, for anyone
you here, tell us a little bit about yourself, and
to anyone old really, because maybe they don't know what
you've been doing.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I know, right, I mean they haven't been keeping tabs
on me, I mean rude. Yeah. Hi, if we haven't met,
my name is Amy Clark. I am Mama MIA's lifestyle editor.
I have always been obsessed with beauty. I've been in
the beauty world for almost the last ten years doing
all sorts of bits and pieces, but yeah, I'm back
at Mamma Mia. This was my first ever real grown
(02:43):
up job was at Mamma Mia in twenty sixteen. So
I am just so tough to be back with you.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Lee Campbell always said that Amy was like her little
protege back in the day because.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
You were really young entering the world. As you said,
it was your first grown up job.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And Lee was like, she's just so smart, so talented,
She's gonna go so many places. What was your role
at Mamma Mia five or six years ago? Whenever you left?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
So my last role here was send your lifestyle producer.
And og Ubi's would remember me because when Lee went
on maternity leave, I stepped in to her very big
shoes to feel the co hosting opportunity. So I was
interviewing our you know back in the day we used
to do in their bag or in her bag, So
(03:30):
I used to host that and then I'd sit alongside you,
my friend, and with you know, dish out beauty advice
now spendy savies.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
And it's so funny because our producers who started earlier
in the year, they were like, oh my goodness, you're
gonna love Amy.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
You'll meet her soon when she comes to Sydney.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
And I was like, lol, like she's my daughter.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Very I mean, were very well. I don't know about
that because you're not that.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
We also got very close during a very strange time
in the world sometimes, like Amy and I were the
only people that would see each other some days during
the week that wasn't our partners because it was during
COVID times year recording.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
It was a very strange time to be alive. So
we know each other very.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Well, yes, And I was like, obviously, I've come to
know Kelly very well, but I was very star struck
when I first had to kind of get me that
get the ring up to go next to, like Kelly mccaren.
You have never told me that. It's a little bit embarrassing,
but you know, it was like all of this stuff
was like completely new to me. You've always been a writer,
(04:35):
so I love to talk obviously, but getting kind of
you know, all of this kind of podcast world was
really new to me. And you just were that person
that you were just like such a pro and it
was very nerve wracking. But that is how lucky it was.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
I through it that that's how you felt.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
And because I sort of felt like I knew and
I really liked you. My love language is roasting, so
you probably would just like roasted from the get go,
and you're like, Okay, she's a bit of an interesting character.
What have you been doing since you scrammed it's the
last time.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, well i've been in.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
You moved to Melbourne?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I did so. Yeah, I'm working for Mommy. I'm based
in Melbourne, so it is very exciting to get to
fly up to the new office here in Sydney Arish schmick,
isn't it is? It is? I feel like very fancy pants.
But what I've been doing, I guess the last five
years since I was last on New Beauty, I've been
in the beauty world, but just from some different.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Side, which is bringing so much knowledge and expertise in different.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Parts of the beauty world, which I think is so interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I'll try, I'll do my best, but yeah, from a
background of kind of reporting and writing and trialing products
for mom and mea. I then went to a dooor Beauty,
which is you know, probably a retailer that comes up
on New Beauty all the time, because you know, one
of Australia's biggest beauty retailers. I was running content there,
you know, very much the same kind of thing, writing articles,
(06:02):
trialing products, but also commissioning writers. So that kind of
exposed me to like a side of beauty that I
hadn't seen before, which is like on the retailer side.
So working with you know, all kind of three hundred
plus brands that are stopped there kind of navigating also
some of the politics of beauty.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Well yeah, because were you allowed to ever write about
products that weren't listed on site?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Oh no, yeah, fair enough enough, because that was kind
of like it was very similar content that I was creating,
but by nature it was all branded content because it's
for the brands that we stopped that we stopped. So
I did that for about two and a half years,
and then I took another little kind of career roundabout
(06:50):
and went to work in house at one beauty brand.
So most recently I was senior brand and content manager
at Alpha h which is if you're familiar with the
iconic liquid gold excoliating treatment. Yeah, it's a like thirty
year old Australian beauty brand, very known and loved amongst
the ubi's Oh yeah, so good and I have so
(07:10):
much love for our h but it is really fun
to now kind of when you work for one brand,
that brand is your world and like you know, you
have those blinders on. It's just full obsession with the
one brand. But I did everything there from kind of
overseeing new product launchers like campaigns, working a little bit
(07:31):
on innovation towards the end, you know, getting to help
come up with the product names and like how we're
going to position this product to the market as well
as you know, then all the other things that come
along with being a beauty brand. So iran influence yea
one exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
She was like there to speak about the product, ye
as the face.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Of the product, and I was like, hey, what are
you doing here?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
So stuff like that. Also, you know, organizing menia events,
so you know, me sliding into Kelly CMS being like
please come to my launch event and yeah, really fun.
So now I'm kind of come all the way back around.
So yeah, it's been a really fun ride. And I
still love beauty as much as I did when I
was last on this podcast.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Oh I love that.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
And can you share one pervy thing that you think
people would be surprised and want to know like something
real juicy about beauty brands or working behind the scenes
in general.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Probably that it's more common than you would think that
brands launch products with a formula that they haven't actually
created from end to end. So you hear a lot
about how brands kind of they might have purchased a
base formula from a manufacturer. I didn't realize when I
first started working for a brand that like not every
product is made like one hundred percent in house by
(08:48):
the brand, which is just interesting in itself. It's just
a little that is.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
So juicy and very topical at the moment because a
lot of people have recently found out as an example
with sunscreen Gate, well actually it was the same formula
with a lot of different brands selling it under a
different name exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
So it reads a little bit of BTS. Actually, that's
a good one.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yes, looking back through everything that you did for in
Her Bag and everyone that you interviewed, what was your
most memorable interview?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Oh, my goodness, in me?
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Was it me?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I'm pretty sure I did. I mean, you are just
always memorable, Kelly McCarran.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
But one of them, I tell you, I need to
poo y, take my shoes or.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Do a urp into the microphone or something like that. Hey,
we've all been there, but I've had a couple. One
that I would say is, and you know, if anyone
look at me talking as if I'm some like big shop,
but if people if ubs want to sleuth and like figure.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Out who this was, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I had one guest who came in and when they
came into the office, you know, the producer, and I
would greet them, Hey, so nice to meet you. I'm
really looking forward to interview you. And she was just
kind of like, you know, blank Stonewall, just you know,
oh hello.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Also what you think of when you think of a
rude celeb type thing, well.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Just very kind of like dead pan. I'm thinking, oh
my god, this interview is going to be, like how
am I going to pull this out of them? We
go into the studio, the lights go on, the microphones
start recording, and they came to life. They became that
person that they are on TV, and it was like
a flick of a switch. And then same at the
end the last thanks so much for coming on the show.
(10:30):
Thank you, bam. Straight back to the other one, So
that was just like one of those things where you
see somebody on TV or that and you wonder, I
wonder what they're laughing in real life? Awful, your word's
not mine.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
But the other one, Wow, I'm so desperate to know
who this was.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Now I'm going to ask you later recording.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
So the other one that it comes to mind is
Trinny Woodle. So everybody knows Trinny Woddle, if not from
her kind of naughties UK makeover show What Not to Wear,
then you might know her from her Triny Beauty products.
But on her first trip to Australia, she came into
Themma Mere office and Maya Friedman and Trine just got
on like a house on fire because you know, sparkly clothes,
(11:13):
the fashion and just like the personality. They were like
a match made in heaven. But she came into the
office and I interviewed her for in her bag, and
I just remember I was so nervous, and she came
in and she kind of sat down.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I was like, oh, she's so really good.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
She also well she actually the first thing she did
was she just you know, put a packet of SIGs
on the table and went Okay, darling, let's do this.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Oh my god, I don't know why. That just made
me love her even more. She didn't even try to
hide it.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
So British. Yeah, that is so so British. So that
naughty's that error. But she also told me she just
looked at me and said, you're wearing the wrong bra.
She literally could tell by looking at me that I
was wearing the wrong brass eyes and were you. Oh yeah,
I reckon, I was. I mean, aren't we all Sometimes
I'm not wearing a brass so it must be nice. Wow.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Okay, those are two absolutely incredible tidbits.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
All right, how has your routine personally changed?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Oh my gosh, A lot, a lot, and like you've
aged as we all. Well, thanks no, I am like
sparklier than ever. Oh thanks Dole. But I think actually
the reason why my routine has changed so much is
not probably for the reason you would think. So. You know,
when you work in beauty, as you know you're trialing
(12:42):
lots of products, you're also just so in the sphere
of like all the new launchers, what's coming that there's
always like you're in that whirlwind of like I want
to try new things. I want to add the latest
and greatest to my routine and then if you go
and you're not in that environment. And actually a lot
of my colleagues that I used to work with at
Adoor Beauty would say this too. Is that once i'd
(13:04):
like re entered the real world or like you know,
the average university, yeah, the non beauty life, they were like, oh,
I actually like my routine. Like it's just stripped right back.
You know, it's not multiple serums. It's like, you know,
just one or two. It's much more simple. And like
the impact that that can also have on your skin
(13:25):
is you know, not surprising to us, but maybe to
the average person. Like sometimes I say, my skin's better
than it's ever been because I'm using less shit. But
my routine specifically, I never used to have, like my
skin types of the same. I've always had super dry skin,
very prone to redness. I'm always running a million degrees
(13:46):
so and sweating.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
You must be quite hot at the moment.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
I know, fluffy red card again, I brought my cardigan
from Melbourne.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
When I'm sitting here sleevelessless.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah, I love that. But probably the thing that changed
my routine fundamentally was developing periol dermatitis. So I never
used to have any issues trialing any products. You know,
would slap on vitamin A, no issues, loving life. And
then there was a particular article that I was writing
when I was at Adoor Beauty where I needed to
(14:19):
use a whole routine from one specific brand brand can
remain nameless. They recommended me a routine and I thought, okay,
like they've recommended it. It was recommended by their head
of education. You know, this should be fine. And the
routine actually included like you know, it was like an
exfoliating cleanser, then a liquid exfoliant, then an ah bh
(14:42):
blah blah blah, and I just saw at the time.
I remember like I'm doing the routine. You have to
film it. So I'm doing the routine and I'm thinking
I probably shouldn't do this, you know, when like you're
trialing something or sometimes trust.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
What they're saying, but then in the background like this isn't.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Right, or I was just like, I'm going to be
a good investigative journalist here and I'm gonna try the
routine that.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Was set destroy my skin barrier.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah, same like food that you know that you shouldn't eat,
but you're like, oh, maybe this time will be fine.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Maybe I'm not going to get the trots from people.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, so I put the you and the poo again. Sorry,
I literally.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
I've needed to go since eight am.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Oh okay, do you need a break?
Speaker 3 (15:26):
No, well I've been holding it in all day.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah, okay, back to the routine. Basically, I applied this
exfoliating serum on top of a liquid exfoliant. As I
could have predicted red ring of fire around my mouth instantly.
I had to actually wash it all off because it
was like it was literally like red red ring around
(15:48):
the nose around this like you know, the nasal laby
kind of folds here, dry and flaky for weeks, and
you know, I went to where I usually go to
have my skin treatments and she's like, yeah, that's periold
dermatitis kind of like contact because it's you know, because
of triggered by using skin care products that two exactly,
(16:10):
and then ever since, like I've not been able to
use skincare the same ever since, and that was probably
like four years ago now, so I don't always have it,
but like I have to think twice now before I
put something on my face. So it just means that
like I'm probably not using as much skincare as what
you might think, literally like I don't wash my face,
(16:33):
like no cleansing in the morning, like I'm a one
serum moisturize of sunscreen, and then at night time like
maybe I exfoliate once a week and I might use
a nice cinamid serum face oil. Like it's so pared back,
it's so boring.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
As we heard on Friday's episode, there isn't a vene
moisturize that you're obsessed with. But can you just name
a couple of others that have been constants that you
just absolutely love in your routine.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Absolutely well obviously like knowing that most recently I was
working at Alpha H so there's gonna be there's you know.
And also the great thing about when you work for
a brand is you get your stuff discounts, so naturally
you stock up. So probably like the Alphah balancing cleanser
is a product that I use a lot, like a
cream cleanser, no fragrance, great for dry skin, and just
(17:25):
like that's after my you know, I remove my makeup
with my cleansing balm, then I use that the even
moisturizer Ultraviolet Supreme Screen. That's actually a product that has
been in my routine for like since the last time
I was here.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You are back in the beauty seat of seeing everything
before it comes out. What do you think is going
to be making us all very poor in spring summer?
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Well, from a makeup perspective, like immediately, I feel like
as soon as Taylor Swift's album comes out, everyone's going
to be getting on the orange bandwagon, like orange fashion,
orange makeup.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Is it orange themed?
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, So her album It's the Life of a show
Girl the color because she has colors associated with her albums.
It's orange, but it's like a it's actually a very
mumma mea orange.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
It's burnt.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
It's like it's a bright orange. Oh cool. But so
I think like we'll be seeing like all different shades
of orange from like your peach and coral through to
like that like bricky burnt orange caramel. I love that though, Yeah,
And then I guess in skincare, it's like all just
with it's all these treatments, like all the different innovations
(18:43):
that are coming out in formulas, like the different types
of compounds that you haven't heard of before. Names you
can't pronounce, just kind of like getting a lot more techy.
I think, yeah, like all of the salmon sperm basically
well yeah, pdrn as we call it in the industry,
not salmon jes.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I did get a lot of dms from people that
were like, I appreciate that you asked doctor Nami if
someone was jacking off the salmons, because everyone.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
That that's the snails now the salmon.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
The poor, poor sluggy creatures.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
All right, A bit of a budget reality check, Amy Clark.
Not everyone can afford the expensive stuff you write about.
What is the best drug store find you have found
that really rivals all of the fancy products apart from
the event Moistrasa, because you showed us how much you
loved that in Friday's episode.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I reckon it's color cosmetics. Like in terms of lipsticks,
lip products, like the lip products that I find, like
there's nothing better than just trolling like your chemist ware
house or your price line literally and like going through
having a look. So I think like lip products specifically,
but also like when it comes to skincare, you know,
(20:02):
if it's brands that are all owned by the same
parent company, say like a Laureal Paris versus you know,
not comparing it to skin pseuiticals, but both owned by
Laurel like Laroche Pezz for example, Sarah Vi or owned
under the same umbrella, so like they are all privy
to those more accessible brands benefit from the heavy investment
(20:25):
that the more kind of science led brands have put
in over the years.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
So they're really good BTS insight because you can then
trust the more affordable products they might have be using
the same quality ingredients, but the research is.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, or it's just like and not every product is
right for everyone, but like if you know, it's just
interesting understanding which brands are owned by which parent companies.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I think in general, yeah, there's like five that own
ninety percent of brands pretty much. What is one step
you never skip even when you're running late and you're
not allowed to say SBF.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, I mean I've talked a lot about lips. I
mean I've said it so many times that my natural
color is basically translation why or with like a blue
corpse like undertone. So I'm never going to go out
with just a clear lip balm on or a clear gloss. Ever,
so it's always going to be a lip and browse clear,
bra Jael.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Okay, we're just quickly going to finish off today's episode
with a stand by your brand segment.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Amy. The producers have put this together.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
With some beauty receipts, which I love a receipt I love,
like there's nothing better than screenshotting a stenting each to someone.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah you did.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
We're going to go back in time six years ago,
the thirteenth of August twenty nineteen, a Spandy Savy episode.
Oh my god, all right, Amy, your spendy was the
Elizabeth Arden eight hour Cream lip.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
What a surprise, a lip product, lip.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Protectant stick in a sheer tint twenty eight dollars.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Oh, I stand by it, but it's not in my
current routine. Probably also because once I started working in
a door beauty, you basically like your whole world becomes
the brands that a stop there, and this is a
mech exclusive product. So I still rate it, but it's
not currently in my routine.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
And your savor was the Cora's Black Pepper Cashmere lemonwood
eed et sixty five dollars. This was clearly when we like,
this was clearly a Kelly math episode. It's an affordable
EDT and the lip product is twenty eight dollars.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, Kelly Math, YEA yeah. I'm not sure what six
years ago me was thinking there, but I still love
that fragrance, like it's so good and actually unisex, so
like Sam would my husband, Sam would still use that
as well.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Okay, My spendy was the Body Shop spar of the world,
Japanese Camellia cream. Listen, that is ringing your bell and
it sounds beautiful.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I don't know her.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
I don't know her.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
It is ringing a bell, and I, if I recall correctly,
this smelt incredible. So I'm pretty sure I was probably
banging on about how beautiful this smelt.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
But did I ever repurchase it? No, looking back, I
don't even know if it exists anymore.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Sorry, the body sh.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
And my saving I do not remember recommending this at all.
Fenty Beauty fly Liner long wear liquid eye liner. I'm
pretty sure I've recently said I've not used many fancy
products in my life.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
That was a lie, apparently, Listen. I'm sure it was great.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I don't recommend things unless they're great, of course, but don't.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Recall these, so they're not part of my current routine.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I think it's safe to say you've recommended like thousands
of products over the years. You'd be like the seven
years of this podcast, So we'll give you a pass there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
It would have been cool though, if this was like
a product that work one of them out of all
of ours.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Was a product that we were like still dedicated to.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
We didn't sync up very well, no juice.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
But also that also would say that we're not very
good at our jobs because we're not trialing enough things.
Well lucky, I'm back, yes, exactly, all right, Amy, final question,
do you have any beauty words to live by? I'm
in a bit of a silly mood, so if you
say something earnest, I might giggle.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Okay, well I hope to make you laugh anyway, But
I actually do. I don't don't always actually live by them,
but I always repeat them to myself. If in doubt,
wash your hair. You know those times when you're like
should I should I wash my hair? Oh, you will
always regret it, hands down.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Exhibit A Exhibit A.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
That Okay, that was in Earnest, that was bab Well
that's it for today. Thank you so much for joining me.
Amy it is you have given us so much juicy goss.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Really appreciate it, really fun. Thank you so much for
having me back.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
If you want more beauty insights and product recommendations, don't
forget to check out Amy's work on the MoMA Me website.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Bye, see you next time.
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