September 24, 2025 • 35 mins
Think Sex and the City was just about dating and designer shoes? Think again. This week, Leigh's joined by Mamamia's Head of Entertainment, Laura Brodnik to decode the fashion legacy that's still influencing our wardrobes 30 years later. From Carrie's controversial black bra moments to Miranda's power suits that actually made sense, these four women didn't just change how we talk about relationships—they revolutionised how we dress.
Laura breaks down why Carrie Bradshaw's style is actually more attainable than aspirational (yes, really!), explains how each character's wardrobe evolved to reflect their personal growth, and reveals why that infamous pigeon clutch from "And Just Like That" is peak Carrie energy.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
So you're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mamma Mia
acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that this
podcast is recorded on Hey you beas Lee here now.
I wanted to quickly tell you something. I recently had
a week off and I binged the final season of
and just like that, I was quite behind. And it
(00:30):
made me remember one of my favorite episodes of Nothing
to Wear. I had the fantastic Laura Brodnickma Me is
head of entertainment on She's also the host of the Spill,
and we took a deep dive into the four Sex
and the City Ladies, their characters, their history, their wardrobes,
and Laura has so many fun facts that people didn't know.
One about SJP that's going to absolutely blow your mind.
(00:51):
It was in her contract from the start and lucky
it was. So here's the episode. Have a listen and
let me know what you think. Whoever said orange is
a new pink was seriously disturbed.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Laurels spraying groundbreaking. Oh my god, you have.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
To do it. You live for fashion.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Where the podcast. It
solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell,
and every week I chat to an expert who helps
us work out how to get more out of the
clothes we already own and tells us what is and
isn't worth adding to our wardrobe. Now, today's bit sad
because we're saying goodbye to a friend. We're actually saying
(01:30):
goodbye to four friends. Sex and the City hit our
screens almost thirty years ago, and since then, with a
few breaks, these four women and their friends have influenced
our lives in ways we don't even realize. Whether you
were a fan or not, or a late comer to
the show Sex and the City and then, and just
(01:51):
like that, have revolutionized the way women talk about relationships, careers,
sex and fashion. Back in nineteen ninety eight, Carrie, Charlotte,
Samantha and Miranda burst onto the scene and changed our
lives in so many ways talking about sex, career, relationships,
and of course their fashion. So joining me today is
(02:13):
Laura Brodnick. There is no one better to help me
dissect the legacy that is Sex and the City through
a fashion lens. She is the head of entertainment here
at Mamma Mia and the host of the Spill, and
her brain is an encyclopedia of TV and movies. I
don't know how she fits it all in. She's got
some incredible insights about how these four women changed our
lives and what their fashion meant to us and to
(02:34):
them and to the world. Lovely Laura, welcome to Nothing
to Wear. You are on ten thousand other podcasts, but
I don't think I've had you on Nothing to Wear,
so welcome.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Thank you. I'm happy to be here as a listener.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
As a listener and also an expert. Soon, but let
me start with our questions we ask first time guests
before we get into the topic. Can you describe your
own style in three words and what are they?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Oh? Well, I would say a bit classic, classic, glamorous
and comfortable. Yeah maybe, yes.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I have worked with you for seven and a half
years and I absolutely agree, particularly the glamorous because I
think of your job, although I don't know, maybe on
the weekends, which might help you answer the next one.
Women have a wardrobe full of clothes, whether that's a
lot or not a huge amount, but generally we reach
for a small section about ten percent. What's in your
ten percent? And why?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Okay, I think my ten percent just because again My
job is very much like red carpets, junkets, parties, all
that sort of stuff and which I'm always It's a lot,
But the difference is that there's a lot of people
who spend their day getting professionally made up to go
to those events, whereas I am always running from the
office where I keep a wardrobe under my desk, doing
my hair in the back of an uber. So I
(03:47):
love a very I have a rotation of a few,
like long, glamorous dresses that I always throw like a
black jacket on because I feel like they can take
me from the office to an event. And at the
moment in my rotation is a lot of I have
one black skirt and one long black pair of pants
that I'm wearing now that I just mix jackets with.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
So I was gonna say, when I think of you,
I think of amazing blazers.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
You have a lot of gray blazes. A blazer fixes
you for just every single moment. You can wear a
blazer to a red car, but you can wear in
the office. You just always look very put together. I
don't even wear a blazer to brunch.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
It's comfortable.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I'm going to hold you well, I'm going to put
you on the spot while where filming and recording. I
think you need to write like a blazer edit for
the website or something, because I can write the best
thank you for that onto Fashion, Sex and the City
and just like that. And what were the movies called?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Oh, just Sex and the City, one and the same.
You're up to date, very good.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
We are farewelling our four friends and their friends, which
is really sad for a lot of people. So let's
go back and talk Fashion and our four friends. Sex
and the City launched in nineteen ninety eight, so I
was sixteen. You don't have to tell us how old
you won. But how radically different do you feel it
(04:57):
was from everything else on television at the time.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
There just wasn't anything else on television at a time
like that. And again I was in primary school so
I wasn't allowed to watch it, but it became such
a big deal into high school. My friends and I,
living in this tiny town in North Queensland, would relate
to these women in their late thirties in New York
and we would pour our vodka cruises into martini glasses
a sleepovers to pretend we were them. I think it
just had this reach, and there were so many kind
(05:22):
of those New York City based comedy shows at the time,
but they were always about a big group of friends
and they were predominantly focused on love stories or career stories,
whereas Sex and the City talked about dating and sex
from a woman's perspective that we hadn't seen before. But
it also highlighted friendship in a way that we haven't
seen the same way since, and it's kind of going on.
(05:42):
Other shows have done it, but it hasn't resonated in
the same way.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, I did watch it at sixteen, and like, I
don't really think lots of sixteens year old should have.
But I'm the third child with her twelve year gap,
so I think my parents like, eh, who knows what
she's having seen? Yeah, exactly. I saw Cocktail when I
was like nine, so it became a cultural phenomenon straight away.
But still almost thirty years on, it's still so powerful,
resonates with women of my age, you know, meer and
(06:08):
Holly's age and younger. Why do you think it is
still so popular and why was it so life changing?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I think the life changing element also just comes from
maybe the fantasy element of it. I think we are
in a time now where and this is a good
thing that there's so much realism on TV and we
have TV shows that show you this really gritty side.
But I think that fantasy element and that idea of
like New York being a character on the show, and
the restaurants being a part of it, and the shopping
and the clothes in a fantasy element is something that
(06:36):
died a little after Sex and the City. And part
of that is not the industry didn't try because after
Sex and City finished, all these other big shows came
in to take its place, Like you had Kashmir Mafia
with Lucy Lou or you had Lipstick Jungle with Brookshields,
And these were shows about groups of women living in
New York with these glamorous careers and these incredible clothes
that were meant to fill that gap because the show
(06:59):
creators rightly knew that people were craving that, and unfortunately
right of strikes kind of killed them off. But nothing
has come in to take that cultural narrative in the
same way. And I think the friendship thing, as we
were saying, is a huge thing. And I really hate
when people say, like, oh, Charlotte was just the prissy one,
or Samantha was a sex crazed one. It's like, you
would not find a better friend than Samantha Jones, a
(07:19):
great out there. And also just the way it spoke
about single life I think hasn't been picked up in
the same way. Like I think that in the final season,
there's this episode called a Woman's Right to Shoes and
the way that Carrie has that conversation with her friends
saying I have a real life, like I don't have children,
I'm not married, but my life matters in a way
(07:40):
through an allegory of shoes. I think, like so many
of my friends and so many people I know still
reference that episode so symbolic, right, yeah, as the pinnacle
of that conversation and the fact that that happened over
twenty years ago and it's still relevant today. I feel
like no other TV show has captured the zeitgeist in
that way.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Oh my gosh, I love that perspective. It's funny because
obviously thirty years ago there was god no such thing
as social media. I think maybe we've just got a
computer and I had to kick my dad's fax machine
off to go on to nine MSN or whatever it was.
But I didn't, and I don't anyone back then really
was like, oh my gosh, this woman can't pay her rent,
but she's buying all these shoes. Like you say, it
was fantasy, but there was no outrage about it. I
(08:18):
feel like if they did that now, it just it
just I don't even know if it would even land.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
We'd be nitpicking so much. It's so funny, like every
time Patricia Field, who's the very famous stylist is you know,
behind Sex and the City, when she said that the
writers and her team had this unofficial kind of story
amongst themselves that Carrie had like this whole big storage
apartment somewhere else in New York City. I don't know
where she was finding the money for that. Although magazine
articles paid better than so, I don't think it's beyond
(08:44):
the realm of disbelief that a writer could afford that.
That was in a time of higher commissions. Yes, but
they even the writers had a fantasy in their own
heads of how she had all these clothes in the
studio apartment. And I know in the later on seasons
they nitpicked it a little bit, yes, But I.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Also back in the Star.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
It's very believable that a woman being crazy debt and
all her money on shoes.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I started watching It's sixteen, and then a few years later,
I never wanted to get into magazines. It fell into magazines,
and I wonder now, subconsciously I did get into a
ridiculous amount of credit card debt, not earning a lot
of money, but thinking, oh credit pretty close.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah, exactly, and you need it. And like Cary kind
of made it okay because she'd like, I bought Vogan
shoes instead of food, and you're like, I want to
do that as well.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, and I'm like my friend on the TV did,
so it's okay.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
It made you feel like more of a creative person to.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Do it, really struggling financially. So she's one character, obviously,
but then we've got Miranda, Charlotte and Samantha. Give me
your vibe on each character, because, like you said, they're
not one dimensional. I mean, I think if I look back,
you know, like you referred to, Charlotte was prim and
proper and pressy and desperately wanted a husband and kids.
(09:50):
Then Samantha was sexy and therefore dressed very sexy. And
then you had Miranda has a bit in Drogena. She's
a lawyer. She was kind of that more sensible one.
But you know, that's painting them with one brush. However,
it was kind of a helpful tool at the time
because you could maybe identify yourself in one of them,
all your friends. But obviously they were much more complex
(10:13):
than that. So how do you think I guess the
characters represented women in our lives, And then why do
you think they dressed the characters the way they did.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I think what you're saying about them be these kind
of archetypes was very helpful when the show first came
out to sort of distinguish who was who of like
the proper one and then Carrie like the whole way
she was. Because if you watched the first episode of
Sex and the City where Patricia Field wasn't involved, she's
got a very different look. She's writing at home in sweatpants.
It's very strange then.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
And didn't they talk to the camera for the first time?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, yeah, they did that again. It was very documentary style.
I wonder how much of that came from Sarah Jessica
Parker wanting to be like she was very embarrassed when
the show first started because she didn't want to be
playing a sex crazed character, and she was like desperately
trying to gather her contract and all this stuff, and yeah, yeah,
she was like, I will do three movies for free
if you let me out of this show. And I
(11:01):
think bringing Patricia Field on was a way to kind
of elevate it because she and Jessica Parker became really
good friends. And the whole reason she's wearing that pink
tutu in the first episode was to show I mean
once they didn't want the first look to date, but
they wanted to show that Carrie in a way had
this princess affliction, almost as like Patricia Field would put
it that she lives outside of the normal world, that
(11:23):
she doesn't dress appropriately and she kind of just walks
to her own style. Yes, And I think once they
decided that was Carrie, then they then went around and
sort of put those feelings on every character, Like Charlotte
was very tailored and together, which is kind of misleading
later on because after Samantha, she does have the most
sex on the show. So I think it's kind of like,
you know that, well, there are kind of tellies of
(11:44):
how many inc Also, you're watching it like she's out
there in the world, living her proper behind the scenes,
and then as she becomes more confident over time, she
becomes a bit more glamorous, a bit less loafers, a
bit more like kind of Park Avenue princess.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
So yes, I was going to stay still very kind
of prim and proper, but with a sex angle sometimes
very like sort of feminine.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, exactly. And there was Samantha in the earlier episodes.
I know she's older than the other characters, but she
almost does dress a little bit older, slightly dowdier. And
then again Daddy's wrong word, but like you know, Knit's.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Coats compared to what we see her evolve into exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And then towards the end season, she's all about a
really strong power suit and a huge accessory. And that's
not just to show that she's overtly sexual. It's also
because she's running this big business and she's seen as
a power player on the New York scene, so it's
kind of to show that, like she's a businesswoman as well.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yes, and then Miranda, I guess, on the other hand,
he is a businesswoman but more of what you think
is traditional business law. Tell me about her.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I get she got the most ridicule when the show
first started for her fashion, because I guess she had
that kind of like nineties working girl look of the suits.
But it did look like, you know, like early in
your career. I don't know if you did this when
you worked in an office, so maybe because you're working
in a more of a glamorous place.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
No, no, I did. I thought, what do grown ups were? Two? Yes,
and I think I went to Q and that was
before Q was cool again or Jackie E. And I
was like, I'm going to read me suit.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I would go to like somewhere that wasn't cool and
by like two different.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Black Laura, I'm forty three, Yes, me too, and then
trying to pretend.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
It was it.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, So we can't sit the riunda where she's dressing
how she thinks the lawyers should dress. And she's a
lot of money, so it's not it's not super cheap,
but like wearing the sneakers with it, and then she's
the only one who had a real off duty weekend
look where she would go to their brunches in like
the overalls and the hoodie and all that sort of stuff.
But again, as time kind of passes, especially as we
see her become a again, moved to Brooklyn and become
(13:32):
a mother, her look kind of softens. And that's why
I love in the last season that she's wearing a
lot of these beautiful autumn hues and like, and she's
still got her own style, but she's wearing like those
very plush jackets and things over a suit to kind
of show that she's dressing how she wants, but she
hasn't left her old self behind.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
So like, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I just love how all of their outfits over the seasons,
even though different stylists come in and out, shows the
evolution of the characters in such a beautiful way.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
And I guess if you watch it, you know, like
we did weekly when you couldn't really stream things or whatever,
it was so gradual we didn't really notice it, but
it's so interesting now with streaming or I mean, I
still have the box set of DVD.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
I wish I hadn't got rid of Fine in the shoebox,
have you? Oh my god, hold onto that. I know
so many people got rid.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Of them and I don't read the DVD player, but
it's still a stream.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
It's a cultural moment. That shoebox you mean.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
To keep you I think I'm missing one disc. But yeah, Now,
if you'd like you say you watched the first episode
in the first season, you can see more rapid change.
But that's not how it worked at the time. You
grew with them. You know, we watched it weekly or whatever.
But you know, it's strange to watch someone grow up
if you do a binge of over a week. It's
not how TV was meant to be.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Oh my gosh, Yes, I so believe that. Anyone who
says they binged all of sex and see in a week,
I just feel like that is suckrilegious because again, it's
one episode a week. You're meant to like live with
it and think about it and have it in your.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Home, miss them and want to catch up with them. Yes,
I'm glad you say that, because I only ever watch
one episode a week of anything.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
That's the correct way to watch TV.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I felt my god from you.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
That means a lot.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Let's go back to carry for a second. Because main character,
her style, you know, I mean, almost always prioritized fantasy
or fashion overfunction. The amount of times you would see
her running around an entire city, and in New York
you walk everywhere. Although you know the famous clips of
her hailing a taxi and getting to jump in the
(15:29):
bags that held nothing maybe a tampon. I must say
today I wore a black bra under this sheer thing
because she was very carry, very carry. But remember at
the time, like, oh, you could see her bra.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Like a mistake that the costumers had mucked up. And
then Patriciavilde had to come out and say, no, that's
like part Carrie sees her underwear is outerwear and it's
not even in an overly sexual way because the rest
of her would be like she'd be wearing this oversized
skirt or like this weird bandana. So she almost had
that old school man repeller vibe with a bit of
the bra. But the original man was and but it
(16:00):
always felt it was for the girls, not for the guys.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Oh absolutely, I mean I think, well, I was gonna
say all of them, but maybe not. But I think,
like you say, she was one of the original sort
of man repellers. And I I think to your point,
the fact that I'm wearing a black brother not you
can see much and she didn't have hers like pushed
up and out, but it was.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Just a little peek through.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, but I think we don't realize how much permission
that show gave us to push the boundaries from what
was before that, because you know shows I was watching,
you know, around the time of before was sort of
like you Melrose Place, you know No. Two and O's
everything was out of America, really yeah, and we hadn't
seen anything like that. What do you think about some
(16:37):
of those iconic looks or unusual things that they wore
thirty years ago has influenced us now, Like do the
kids even realize?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
I think it's had a real resurgence, like you're hear
now about like gen Z and even like Gen Alpha
getting into sex and the City in a way, and
I guess because it feels otherworldly and also there is
that thing at the moment because we're all so on line,
everyone's style is starting to look very similar because we're
all looking at the same few blogs, we're looking at
the same photo.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Or we're liking something on the algorithm. The algorithm is
then sending us such a narrow view that you think
that's all there is because you know, I was looking
for a certain type of of geens and I was like, wow,
there's no other. You know, everything is getting more narrow
and narrow, and it's already relatively narrow to begin with,
because you know, with online retailers, they have so much
data about what cells they make more of that, then
(17:22):
you algorithm gives you more of that, and you feel
like there's nothing else out there exactly.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And that's why I do feel at the moment we're
kind of living in the death of personal style, which
is confronting. But I think in a way, Sex and
the City gave you permission to find your personal style.
And I know this might be a controversial take, but
I do feel like Carrie Bradshaw's style is very attainable,
not just aspirational, which I still.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Talk to me about that and tell me why.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Well, I think because on the outset, you're looking at
like these are designer pieces that normal people cannot afford.
And it's also on this woman who is conventionally thin
and attractive, and she was a ballerina for a long time.
She has a ballerina's body again, which is why she's
wearing the two two in the opening sequence, and you know,
she has her hair bill alone for that blonde and
foils and the hair imagine is literally more than most
(18:09):
people would a mortgage free year.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
And also her lifestyle is a freelancer. You know, she's
like your you know, you often run from the office
quickly to an event in the three seconds. She has
the time, and they're just like the freedom I guess
as that character, she.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Has so much time.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah, totally to sit and wonder. But I think you're
right because I think, you know, I've watched a resurgence
that I haven't actually realized was a lot. You know,
a lot of influence came from this. But for example,
I'm wearing some vintage shoes because I felt they were
like quite cary. I think they were sixteen dollars, Wow,
my brass from Target. This is secondhand, And so you
can because it's not a look for her particularly but
(18:47):
even yeah, probably mostly for her. But it's all a colectic,
it's all kind of a stylish, but it doesn't match.
And you that means you can go into your wardrobe
and find old things and pull them out and mix
and match them and just because they're not Manalo Blanik
or whatever she's wearing.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, it's that vibe right exactly. It's not about the
designer clothes, it's the way she puts them together. And
I feel like that's when I first started to get
a bit interested in fashion, when I was a teenager
watching Sex and the City. And again, I'm living in Townsville,
which is tropical North Queensland. Could not be further away
from the streets of me.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Or do you.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
No, because there's't be one day a week in towns
All we can wear a jacket when it's cool enough
the rest of the me the whole year, Yeah, pretty much.
It's tropical all year round, which isn't great for me.
But I would save up all my pennies from working
at the cash register it came out and go and
buy like a pearl necklace or a lace skirt to
put over something, or cowboy boots. And again, I had
literally no where to go. I cannot stay that enough.
I was going to like walk around the shopping center
(19:42):
with my friends or going to the movies or something,
because when you're sixteen, you want to go somewhere, but
you have nowhere to go. And I felt like every
day I would be putting these outfits together on my
bed and the accessories and things, and I would wear
heels out again. At sixteen, I had nowhere to go.
But it's almost like Carrie Bradshaw gave you permission to
live in a fantasy. And even if your fantasy things
came from Target and Valley Girls, lots of Valley Girls
(20:05):
staff couldn't even afford Sports Girl. And I think that
stayed lay By now, yeah, exact exactly. For God, I
had that six week payment place because I needed it.
And I think sometimes now when I find myself also
now that I kind of have the job I fantasize at.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
The time kind of we both semi have a carriage.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Ob I feel like so many people in our industry do.
Sometimes I think to myself, like living in the big city,
working in this glamorous job, and sometimes when I get
really tired and I feel like I just want to
pull on a waterever outfit, I think, what would sixteen
year old you think when she was watching sex in
the city, that you were leaving the house like that
when you finally have somewhere to go.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yes, totally I love that, but I think you know, yes,
you had nowhere to go, But sixteen year old you,
you clearly were a creative person. Look where you've landed
in your career, and so it was an outlet for
creativity exactly. But then a lot of our listeners don't
have somewhere to go, is you know, as a mother
and as someone who works here part time. But otherwise
I'm schlepping around doing very mundane things. I'm really trying
(21:02):
not to save my special things and so much nowhere
to go. Sure, I'm not wearing a ball gown, and
definitely not at my age where six inch heels, but
I will wear something a little bit fish, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
And I think that's what Sex and the City has
taught us because look at like some of Carrie's best
outfits is sitting at the diner having breakfast with their
friends on a Saturday even. I feel like one of
the moments that got the most ridiculed from the New
and just like that is where she's staying the night
at her apartment after BIG's death, and she wakes up
in the morning and her coffee machine is broken, and
so she goes down the road to literally just grab
(21:33):
a coffee from a bodega and She's wearing a full
like chul maxi skirt with a train and a glittery bag,
and I just think that is what she would wear
to go get a coffee.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, that is what she because it's her.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Comfort outfit and she felt good in it and she
felt like that was her outing for the day.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
And do you think because that occurred now, you know,
a couple of years ago, did you see any online
discourse saying someone grieving wouldn't do that?
Speaker 3 (21:56):
There was so much I feel like people had forgotten
the world that they had craved to go back into,
Like everyone wanted to go back into the Sexton City,
and when it came back, we're like, oh, she would
never wear that. First of all, if you go to
New York and walk around like the West Village and stuff,
you do see characters like that who were quint essentially
New York, who live in these rent controlled apartments that
they could never afford, who buy these crazy clothes, and
they do wear stuff like that to get coffee. And
(22:18):
I'm like, that's Carrie Bradshaw. She's you think of her
as this like fancy girl on TV, but at her heart,
she is just an eccentric New York woman with too
much time and money, and we love her for.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
That and her ten percent. You know, she probably grabbed
her what was closest to the door. She doesn't have
old Lillu lemon leggings and so buld up track is
that's what she's got in her ten percent.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
She'd have to go dig for the flats to find them.
She puts on her walking heels, as she says.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I know, and she walks a lot I had. I
didn't know this, so if you can tell me about it.
Sarah Disika Barker has confirmed that she had a clause
in her contract that allowed her to keep the outfits.
Is this true?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
That is one hundred percent true? So this yeah, yeah,
she has all of them in an archive. No, and
she does loan them out every soften to events and
movies and things. And she says she's keeping them for
her twin daughters and so jealous of those.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Oh my god, they better make an exam.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah, exactly. And so all those archival pieces that you
see in and just like that where that's why they
have all the clothing racks out where she says she's
sorting her clothes so you can see all the pieces
and they're all from her personal archive.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
No way, isn't that just I also do.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Feel that clause was potentially put in before the big designers.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Clay she is a baller. I know she wanted to
get out at the start, but now that is so smart.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
But once the show became so cultural elevant, then she
leaned in in a huge way and you know, became
a producer on the show and became all that sort
of stuff. And yeah, she had that clause written in.
I think it was again to kind of sweeten the
deal because she did want to leave. Yeah, and then
once all the designers started being like, where our stuff? Yes,
it was just like the game.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I can't imagine anyone else playing Kerry but her, No,
not at all. Isn't it funny how that was like
exciting doors moments. You're just so glad that they happened.
I have to admit something, I have only watched the
first two seasons, even just like that, I haven't watched
the third one. I was in a panic to catch up.
But now that we know it's the last, I'm kind
of savoring it, like that that chocolate clear in the
(24:06):
back of the fridge, or you know that really good
book is saving for holidays. Yes, talk to me about
the last season and what have I missed and maybe
some spoilers for people that haven't caught up, But this
is from a fashion perspective.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yes, I won't go into sort of deep spoilers and
vers all. I think it's the right thing for you.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
To save it because I'm excited now.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
It's like Chillian glass of wine. We're not in the
mood for it. You're not going to enjoy that, but one.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Day you don't want to open the bottle until you're.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Ready exactly one day you're going to reach for that
treat and it's going to be the perfect time.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
So this season was a bit of a divisive one
because Carrie's outfits we're getting, if we're going to talk
from fashion, yes, have been very pulled apart. I don't
know if you saw the images of her like out
and about having ice cream with Sema with a huge
kind of opulent hat.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yes, that hat was a lot looked like a marshmallow
for it.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
It was a huge I do think Sarah Jessica Parker
like she takes a lot of criticism on the chin
for the show with that she was not having it.
She's like that hat came from an artist.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
It is a piece of art, and she's really elevated,
like she's made some designer's whole career is exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I mean, even with monolos and stuff like, she was
the one who were like these are the shoes I'm
gonna or like the Fenny bag ats and stuff like,
she was the one who picked them and brought them
into a bit more Maine stream, which means more people
were buying them. But I do think that she's just
in a different place in her life from the original
Sex and the City, and so her clothes should reflect
that she is a multi multi millionaire woman because she
has the money from her books, but also all of
(25:23):
the money, including the money that he was meant to
give to Natasha, which then carry kept, which is fair enough.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
God she I mean I half feel bad for Natasha.
She felt.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
She doesn't need any Yeah, she has her own money,
as she said on the show. So I think we're
looking at this woman who's living in this mansion and
who has unlimited money, unlimited time, and her clothes should
reflect that. Just think if you had nothing but time
to sit around your huge house with unlimited money.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
And it was already part of you, you do your expression,
and I think it still kind of shows like in
this new season, we do see Carrie like attaching significance
to like a Vivian Westwood dress that she thought was
too special to wear, and then she wears when she
wants to go.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Meet this writer she's got a crush on, because she
decides she and she's ready for the moment. And and
you see her again go off in these like beautiful
gowns to meet her friends and very kind of big
on the accessories, and it does feel like it stays
true to the carry Branshaws style. It's just reflecting where
she is now.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Right exactly and me as mid forties, trust me, you
get to a point where you give zero FUCKX that
goes both ways. Sometimes it's literally tracksit that hasn't been
washed for three months, that I had a spray tang
in it, and sometimes it is a ball gown and
no coffee, And I kind of like that. Before we
get into bougie and budget, can I ask you did
you have a favorite character or do you have a
favorite character and has it changed through their thirty years? Oh?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I mean it's hard because I loved all of them
from the start, which I feel is like just maybe
like a goodie two shoes answer that I loved. I
loved like Charlotte's romanticism for the world. I love Miranda's smarts.
And again, I think Samantha is the best friend you
could have. But I do relate to carry the most.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
But about fashion wise.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Fashion wise, oh I wish. I mean again, I've tried
to dress like Carry over the years in a way.
I don't think my taste is that eclectic. I think
more of a Samantha I think is like power blazer.
I see that for series. I think that kind of
power dressing is what I relate to the most. And
also at end of the day most comfortable. She's often
in a suit and I was like that woman can.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Move, yeah totally, And a bold accessory you added on
and it looks like you put so much effort. Mine has
to be Miranda, not in just like that, not because
of everything that happened with her then, but in Sex
and the City. I just and maybe now because that
whole kind of nineties and white two K's having a resurgence,
it maybe was a bit daggy back then, but I
(27:39):
don't know, Like it's just I just loved Miranda and
I love what she wore and I will always love her.
I love that.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
I love that Miranda had a huge resurgence with that
we should like with the every outfit girls writing that
we shoulll be Miranda's and all of a sudden everyone
loved her. Do you have a favorite Miranda look or
a favorite season?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Oh? My god, I mean I love I just love Steve.
I think I just like, I.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Actually just want to be Miranda and marry Steve, I know.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
But then do I and then he gets really fit.
I can't remember exactly what it was, but there was
a few kind of brown blazes she wore, just from
what I remember, some good knits like you said as well, I.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Just autumn tone. She always looks gorgeous. Look.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
If I could play with any of their wardrobes, I
wouldn't say no.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah exactly, it's very expensive. How Wandre.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Onto boogie and budget, my friend. So our vibe for
this episode is Sex and the City inspired something we
might have bought in the past or looking at or
just something that you know, like you say, inspired by
Sex and the city you can get to your fancy
events after work. I want to start with your boogie
or your budget.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I stuff my budget because I'll say my bougie is
like the dessert, yes and love it.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
What's your budget?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
So it's a skirt that I've recently purchased a second
one off. So I bought this skirt a few years ago.
And talking about the ten percent that you reached for
in your closet, I reached this multiple times a day,
to the point where when I do I have to
wash it, I'm sometimes in a panic. So recently the
other day I bought another one. I'm also like, what
if it gets lost on a plane or something and I.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Don't have it.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
So it's the Solar skirt. So it's a long black
Maxi skirt from an Australian label called Fate Very Size Inclusive.
They've got to a size twenty four. Their stuff is
lovely and at the outset you might think like, oh,
a black Maxi skirt, that's not that Sex and the City.
But why I kind of and I guess it's also
something that all the different characters would wear. But the
reason I call it my Sex and the City piece
(29:36):
is that I use it to layer. It's almost not
those pieces that kind of fades away to nothing where
I layer, like the really fancy tops and the glittery
heels and the blaze right foundation, it's the foundation piece.
So yes, the Flora Solar skirt.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
For your job. I have to just tell you. There's
an Australian brand called Dirt. It's kind of like a fabreeze,
but it's fancier and it smells like perfume. Okay, I
don't know about that, and it's antibacterial as well. It's
meant to be a travel spray for when you want
to wear you go again. Everything of mine is dirted.
It doesn't sound very sexy as a brand. Oh, we'll
put a link in the show notes the amount of
jackets I disprayed the pits or something. I pull it
(30:09):
up to wash, I go, oh, need to like not
it's filthy.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
But yeah, we just in one more. You just in
one more wear that.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Will change your life. Add that to your work order,
I will. Oh, yeah, it's very good. Good tip, all right,
my budget. Look, it's not that cheap. But it was
worn by Carrie in season two. She wore a very
iconic light blue, one shoulder, kind of rouchey dress. The
designer is Normal Kamali, and you can get it in
(30:35):
literally any color. About eight years ago, I bought it
on the out net when was on sale in lime green.
Don't ask me why. I think that color is particularly discounted,
and that's all I could haveoughd at the time. But
it's still around. You can get it for about one
hundred and fifty bucks on the out net. It's on
Netaporter at the moment. They make it every single season
(30:56):
in a jersey and then sort of more of a
slinky one. You can even get it in a leather.
So originally it's about four hundred, you can get for
like one hundred, one hundred and fifty dollars. I've still
got it. It's got a built in body suit leg thingy.
Not so I inclusive. From what I believe, it's French sizing.
But I'll have it forever. I've actually tried to wear
it recently again, but then I don't know. Maybe now
(31:17):
that we're back in this vibe, I love it. I
just we shouldn't get the green. But she wore it
in season two, which would have been washed nineteen ninety eight. Yes,
and normal Commal is still making it.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Oh, I love that. A truly timeless fashion.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I'm going to put in my archive, like with three
other things like sjp's massive archive. All Right, what's you bougie.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
This is a new brand that's only come out in
the last year and it's called a Range and I
buy it fire asos, so unfortunately you can't try it on.
It's a UK brand, but it is the first time
I found a brand of plus size and they do
straight sizing two so three from a six to a thirty.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Oh wow, that's impressive, and just these.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Very opulent fashion moments, like beautiful studded gowns, lacecowns, sequence skirts.
It's a very opulent range and the first time I've
seen sort of Sex and the City inspired clothes from
a size six through to a size thirty at a
fairly reasonable price point from what it is. You know,
some of the pieces are at four hundred five hundred
dollars and then some of them more around one hundred
(32:12):
dollars range, but they have these like beautiful kind of
studded gowns and like silk gowns and beautiful lace tops
and this gold sequin skirt that is just this Sex
and the City dream. I've always had to wear something
that opulent behind it.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I'm saying, you've bought a dress, anna buy the skirt.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I think I'm gonna buy the skirt. It's so wildly
and practical. But I also just think I'm gonna wear
it to the office with like a white T shirt.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
You have the most glamorous job.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I'm just gonna wear it to my next donk could
be more dressed up than the movies star I'm chatting
to so again, they have really beautiful basics and things,
but I think it is the I bought this like
studded kind of like a lime green long sleeved gown,
and all of these just really beautiful pieces that just
weren't available. So and I'm finding the quality from the
pieces I bought so far from that I've bought like
a lace top and a lace dress, the quality really beautiful,
(33:03):
the fit really beautiful. It's lovely to be able to
size up and down if you need, and just to
like wear something so special that feels like it came
from a designer showroom.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
So Arrange is the brand.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Change, and it's on Aesos yes, amazing. Oh my god,
I'm gonna have to have a look. I mean, you
show me a few pictures.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I need to see that. You got too excited.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
No, I love it, Okay, my bougie. I would never buy,
but I just am fascinated and loved it. And it's
horrific and awful and so ugly. The J. W Anderson
pigeon clutch. Yes, so Kerry had this in season two
and just like that. I love JW. Andison. He is
a phenomenal designer and I have a few bags of
(33:42):
his before he became cool, when they're about six hundred dollars,
but then I'd wait for them to go on the
outnet and buy the color. No one wanted the three
Then she you know he's now he's the designer of
Dior or something. Now one of the big ones often
does a collaboration with Uniglow. There's one at the moment.
But this pigeon bag is exactly as it sounds. A small, hard,
(34:05):
almost like statue of a pigeon with a small little
bit that opens and you can put like one key
and maybe a left liner in it. So impractical, but
I think it speaks to where Carrie was at that point, like,
you know, she had lots of money, she didn't really
need to carry anything. Carrie famously never really liked a phone.
She didn't have to fit a phone in there. No,
but it's you know, well over a thousand dollars. Then, strangely,
(34:27):
given the name JWP, which is another designer I like
that makes more affordable bags, has done an almost exact
tube for a couple of hundred dollars. Confusing, there's two
JW's there, and also does a cat, a unicorn. You know,
lots of different strange animal bags. But we're seeing a
huge resurgence of these almost fantastical character tore bags and
(34:51):
it's just a bit of joy after you know, a
lot of seriousness in the world and you know, the
quiet luxury trend, which was lovely and I you know,
I dress quite classically, but it's a bit boring. I
just love looking at these things exactly. I'm never gonna
buy it. I just think it's kind of ridiculous. But
I love that there's art out there in fashion. And
if you don't want either of those, but you want
(35:12):
to get on the bag charm trend because everyone's wearing
sort of bag charms, get your regular good old black bag.
And then there's this really cute pigeon caring on Amazon
and it's cheapest chips. So we're gonna put all of
those in the show notes. But if you want a
pigeon to carry in some form, you've got three options.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Well I kind of do now. Well, so much joy
to carry a tiny pigeon in your hands.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
As long as it's not a live like that woman
who kidnapped Love Seagull. Yeah, Laura, Oh my gosh, it's
such a wealth of knowledge. I do not know how
you fit all of that in your brain for every
show and movie and it's just phenomenal. So thank you
for joining me. That was awesome.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Oh thanks for having me to talk about the greatest
show on TV.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Thank you so much for joining me, And don't forget.
If you want more fashion, you can follow us on
Instagram and we have our very own nothing to Wear
YouTube channel. And I'll see you next week.
So you're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mamma Mia
acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters that this
podcast is recorded on Hey you beas Lee here now.
I wanted to quickly tell you something. I recently had
a week off and I binged the final season of
and just like that, I was quite behind. And it
(00:30):
made me remember one of my favorite episodes of Nothing
to Wear. I had the fantastic Laura Brodnickma Me is
head of entertainment on She's also the host of the Spill,
and we took a deep dive into the four Sex
and the City Ladies, their characters, their history, their wardrobes,
and Laura has so many fun facts that people didn't know.
One about SJP that's going to absolutely blow your mind.
(00:51):
It was in her contract from the start and lucky
it was. So here's the episode. Have a listen and
let me know what you think. Whoever said orange is
a new pink was seriously disturbed.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Laurels spraying groundbreaking. Oh my god, you have.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
To do it. You live for fashion.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Where the podcast. It
solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell,
and every week I chat to an expert who helps
us work out how to get more out of the
clothes we already own and tells us what is and
isn't worth adding to our wardrobe. Now, today's bit sad
because we're saying goodbye to a friend. We're actually saying
(01:30):
goodbye to four friends. Sex and the City hit our
screens almost thirty years ago, and since then, with a
few breaks, these four women and their friends have influenced
our lives in ways we don't even realize. Whether you
were a fan or not, or a late comer to
the show Sex and the City and then, and just
(01:51):
like that, have revolutionized the way women talk about relationships, careers,
sex and fashion. Back in nineteen ninety eight, Carrie, Charlotte,
Samantha and Miranda burst onto the scene and changed our
lives in so many ways talking about sex, career, relationships,
and of course their fashion. So joining me today is
(02:13):
Laura Brodnick. There is no one better to help me
dissect the legacy that is Sex and the City through
a fashion lens. She is the head of entertainment here
at Mamma Mia and the host of the Spill, and
her brain is an encyclopedia of TV and movies. I
don't know how she fits it all in. She's got
some incredible insights about how these four women changed our
lives and what their fashion meant to us and to
(02:34):
them and to the world. Lovely Laura, welcome to Nothing
to Wear. You are on ten thousand other podcasts, but
I don't think I've had you on Nothing to Wear,
so welcome.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Thank you. I'm happy to be here as a listener.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
As a listener and also an expert. Soon, but let
me start with our questions we ask first time guests
before we get into the topic. Can you describe your
own style in three words and what are they?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Oh? Well, I would say a bit classic, classic, glamorous
and comfortable. Yeah maybe, yes.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I have worked with you for seven and a half
years and I absolutely agree, particularly the glamorous because I
think of your job, although I don't know, maybe on
the weekends, which might help you answer the next one.
Women have a wardrobe full of clothes, whether that's a
lot or not a huge amount, but generally we reach
for a small section about ten percent. What's in your
ten percent? And why?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Okay, I think my ten percent just because again My
job is very much like red carpets, junkets, parties, all
that sort of stuff and which I'm always It's a lot,
But the difference is that there's a lot of people
who spend their day getting professionally made up to go
to those events, whereas I am always running from the
office where I keep a wardrobe under my desk, doing
my hair in the back of an uber. So I
(03:47):
love a very I have a rotation of a few,
like long, glamorous dresses that I always throw like a
black jacket on because I feel like they can take
me from the office to an event. And at the
moment in my rotation is a lot of I have
one black skirt and one long black pair of pants
that I'm wearing now that I just mix jackets with.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
So I was gonna say, when I think of you,
I think of amazing blazers.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
You have a lot of gray blazes. A blazer fixes
you for just every single moment. You can wear a
blazer to a red car, but you can wear in
the office. You just always look very put together. I
don't even wear a blazer to brunch.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
It's comfortable.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I'm going to hold you well, I'm going to put
you on the spot while where filming and recording. I
think you need to write like a blazer edit for
the website or something, because I can write the best
thank you for that onto Fashion, Sex and the City
and just like that. And what were the movies called?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Oh, just Sex and the City, one and the same.
You're up to date, very good.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
We are farewelling our four friends and their friends, which
is really sad for a lot of people. So let's
go back and talk Fashion and our four friends. Sex
and the City launched in nineteen ninety eight, so I
was sixteen. You don't have to tell us how old
you won. But how radically different do you feel it
(04:57):
was from everything else on television at the time.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
There just wasn't anything else on television at a time
like that. And again I was in primary school so
I wasn't allowed to watch it, but it became such
a big deal into high school. My friends and I,
living in this tiny town in North Queensland, would relate
to these women in their late thirties in New York
and we would pour our vodka cruises into martini glasses
a sleepovers to pretend we were them. I think it
just had this reach, and there were so many kind
(05:22):
of those New York City based comedy shows at the time,
but they were always about a big group of friends
and they were predominantly focused on love stories or career stories,
whereas Sex and the City talked about dating and sex
from a woman's perspective that we hadn't seen before. But
it also highlighted friendship in a way that we haven't
seen the same way since, and it's kind of going on.
(05:42):
Other shows have done it, but it hasn't resonated in
the same way.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, I did watch it at sixteen, and like, I
don't really think lots of sixteens year old should have.
But I'm the third child with her twelve year gap,
so I think my parents like, eh, who knows what
she's having seen? Yeah, exactly. I saw Cocktail when I
was like nine, so it became a cultural phenomenon straight away.
But still almost thirty years on, it's still so powerful,
resonates with women of my age, you know, meer and
(06:08):
Holly's age and younger. Why do you think it is
still so popular and why was it so life changing?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I think the life changing element also just comes from
maybe the fantasy element of it. I think we are
in a time now where and this is a good
thing that there's so much realism on TV and we
have TV shows that show you this really gritty side.
But I think that fantasy element and that idea of
like New York being a character on the show, and
the restaurants being a part of it, and the shopping
and the clothes in a fantasy element is something that
(06:36):
died a little after Sex and the City. And part
of that is not the industry didn't try because after
Sex and City finished, all these other big shows came
in to take its place, Like you had Kashmir Mafia
with Lucy Lou or you had Lipstick Jungle with Brookshields,
And these were shows about groups of women living in
New York with these glamorous careers and these incredible clothes
that were meant to fill that gap because the show
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creators rightly knew that people were craving that, and unfortunately
right of strikes kind of killed them off. But nothing
has come in to take that cultural narrative in the
same way. And I think the friendship thing, as we
were saying, is a huge thing. And I really hate
when people say, like, oh, Charlotte was just the prissy one,
or Samantha was a sex crazed one. It's like, you
would not find a better friend than Samantha Jones, a
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great out there. And also just the way it spoke
about single life I think hasn't been picked up in
the same way. Like I think that in the final season,
there's this episode called a Woman's Right to Shoes and
the way that Carrie has that conversation with her friends
saying I have a real life, like I don't have children,
I'm not married, but my life matters in a way
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through an allegory of shoes. I think, like so many
of my friends and so many people I know still
reference that episode so symbolic, right, yeah, as the pinnacle
of that conversation and the fact that that happened over
twenty years ago and it's still relevant today. I feel
like no other TV show has captured the zeitgeist in
that way.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Oh my gosh, I love that perspective. It's funny because
obviously thirty years ago there was god no such thing
as social media. I think maybe we've just got a
computer and I had to kick my dad's fax machine
off to go on to nine MSN or whatever it was.
But I didn't, and I don't anyone back then really
was like, oh my gosh, this woman can't pay her rent,
but she's buying all these shoes. Like you say, it
was fantasy, but there was no outrage about it. I
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feel like if they did that now, it just it
just I don't even know if it would even land.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
We'd be nitpicking so much. It's so funny, like every
time Patricia Field, who's the very famous stylist is you know,
behind Sex and the City, when she said that the
writers and her team had this unofficial kind of story
amongst themselves that Carrie had like this whole big storage
apartment somewhere else in New York City. I don't know
where she was finding the money for that. Although magazine
articles paid better than so, I don't think it's beyond
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the realm of disbelief that a writer could afford that.
That was in a time of higher commissions. Yes, but
they even the writers had a fantasy in their own
heads of how she had all these clothes in the
studio apartment. And I know in the later on seasons
they nitpicked it a little bit, yes, But I.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Also back in the Star.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
It's very believable that a woman being crazy debt and
all her money on shoes.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I started watching It's sixteen, and then a few years later,
I never wanted to get into magazines. It fell into magazines,
and I wonder now, subconsciously I did get into a
ridiculous amount of credit card debt, not earning a lot
of money, but thinking, oh credit pretty close.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah, exactly, and you need it. And like Cary kind
of made it okay because she'd like, I bought Vogan
shoes instead of food, and you're like, I want to
do that as well.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, and I'm like my friend on the TV did,
so it's okay.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
It made you feel like more of a creative person to.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Do it, really struggling financially. So she's one character, obviously,
but then we've got Miranda, Charlotte and Samantha. Give me
your vibe on each character, because, like you said, they're
not one dimensional. I mean, I think if I look back,
you know, like you referred to, Charlotte was prim and
proper and pressy and desperately wanted a husband and kids.
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Then Samantha was sexy and therefore dressed very sexy. And
then you had Miranda has a bit in Drogena. She's
a lawyer. She was kind of that more sensible one.
But you know, that's painting them with one brush. However,
it was kind of a helpful tool at the time
because you could maybe identify yourself in one of them,
all your friends. But obviously they were much more complex
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than that. So how do you think I guess the
characters represented women in our lives, And then why do
you think they dressed the characters the way they did.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I think what you're saying about them be these kind
of archetypes was very helpful when the show first came
out to sort of distinguish who was who of like
the proper one and then Carrie like the whole way
she was. Because if you watched the first episode of
Sex and the City where Patricia Field wasn't involved, she's
got a very different look. She's writing at home in sweatpants.
It's very strange then.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
And didn't they talk to the camera for the first time?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, yeah, they did that again. It was very documentary style.
I wonder how much of that came from Sarah Jessica
Parker wanting to be like she was very embarrassed when
the show first started because she didn't want to be
playing a sex crazed character, and she was like desperately
trying to gather her contract and all this stuff, and yeah, yeah,
she was like, I will do three movies for free
if you let me out of this show. And I
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think bringing Patricia Field on was a way to kind
of elevate it because she and Jessica Parker became really
good friends. And the whole reason she's wearing that pink
tutu in the first episode was to show I mean
once they didn't want the first look to date, but
they wanted to show that Carrie in a way had
this princess affliction, almost as like Patricia Field would put
it that she lives outside of the normal world, that
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she doesn't dress appropriately and she kind of just walks
to her own style. Yes, And I think once they
decided that was Carrie, then they then went around and
sort of put those feelings on every character, Like Charlotte
was very tailored and together, which is kind of misleading
later on because after Samantha, she does have the most
sex on the show. So I think it's kind of like,
you know that, well, there are kind of tellies of
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how many inc Also, you're watching it like she's out
there in the world, living her proper behind the scenes,
and then as she becomes more confident over time, she
becomes a bit more glamorous, a bit less loafers, a
bit more like kind of Park Avenue princess.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
So yes, I was going to stay still very kind
of prim and proper, but with a sex angle sometimes
very like sort of feminine.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, exactly. And there was Samantha in the earlier episodes.
I know she's older than the other characters, but she
almost does dress a little bit older, slightly dowdier. And
then again Daddy's wrong word, but like you know, Knit's.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Coats compared to what we see her evolve into exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
And then towards the end season, she's all about a
really strong power suit and a huge accessory. And that's
not just to show that she's overtly sexual. It's also
because she's running this big business and she's seen as
a power player on the New York scene, so it's
kind of to show that, like she's a businesswoman as well.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yes, and then Miranda, I guess, on the other hand,
he is a businesswoman but more of what you think
is traditional business law. Tell me about her.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I get she got the most ridicule when the show
first started for her fashion, because I guess she had
that kind of like nineties working girl look of the suits.
But it did look like, you know, like early in
your career. I don't know if you did this when
you worked in an office, so maybe because you're working
in a more of a glamorous place.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
No, no, I did. I thought, what do grown ups were? Two? Yes,
and I think I went to Q and that was
before Q was cool again or Jackie E. And I
was like, I'm going to read me suit.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I would go to like somewhere that wasn't cool and
by like two different.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Black Laura, I'm forty three, Yes, me too, and then
trying to pretend.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
It was it.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, So we can't sit the riunda where she's dressing
how she thinks the lawyers should dress. And she's a
lot of money, so it's not it's not super cheap,
but like wearing the sneakers with it, and then she's
the only one who had a real off duty weekend
look where she would go to their brunches in like
the overalls and the hoodie and all that sort of stuff.
But again, as time kind of passes, especially as we
see her become a again, moved to Brooklyn and become
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a mother, her look kind of softens. And that's why
I love in the last season that she's wearing a
lot of these beautiful autumn hues and like, and she's
still got her own style, but she's wearing like those
very plush jackets and things over a suit to kind
of show that she's dressing how she wants, but she
hasn't left her old self behind.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
So like, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I just love how all of their outfits over the seasons,
even though different stylists come in and out, shows the
evolution of the characters in such a beautiful way.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
And I guess if you watch it, you know, like
we did weekly when you couldn't really stream things or whatever,
it was so gradual we didn't really notice it, but
it's so interesting now with streaming or I mean, I
still have the box set of DVD.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
I wish I hadn't got rid of Fine in the shoebox,
have you? Oh my god, hold onto that. I know
so many people got rid.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Of them and I don't read the DVD player, but
it's still a stream.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
It's a cultural moment. That shoebox you mean.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
To keep you I think I'm missing one disc. But yeah, Now,
if you'd like you say you watched the first episode
in the first season, you can see more rapid change.
But that's not how it worked at the time. You
grew with them. You know, we watched it weekly or whatever.
But you know, it's strange to watch someone grow up
if you do a binge of over a week. It's
not how TV was meant to be.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Oh my gosh, Yes, I so believe that. Anyone who
says they binged all of sex and see in a week,
I just feel like that is suckrilegious because again, it's
one episode a week. You're meant to like live with
it and think about it and have it in your.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Home, miss them and want to catch up with them. Yes,
I'm glad you say that, because I only ever watch
one episode a week of anything.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
That's the correct way to watch TV.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I felt my god from you.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
That means a lot.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Let's go back to carry for a second. Because main character,
her style, you know, I mean, almost always prioritized fantasy
or fashion overfunction. The amount of times you would see
her running around an entire city, and in New York
you walk everywhere. Although you know the famous clips of
her hailing a taxi and getting to jump in the
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bags that held nothing maybe a tampon. I must say
today I wore a black bra under this sheer thing
because she was very carry, very carry. But remember at
the time, like, oh, you could see her bra.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Like a mistake that the costumers had mucked up. And
then Patriciavilde had to come out and say, no, that's
like part Carrie sees her underwear is outerwear and it's
not even in an overly sexual way because the rest
of her would be like she'd be wearing this oversized
skirt or like this weird bandana. So she almost had
that old school man repeller vibe with a bit of
the bra. But the original man was and but it
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always felt it was for the girls, not for the guys.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Oh absolutely, I mean I think, well, I was gonna
say all of them, but maybe not. But I think,
like you say, she was one of the original sort
of man repellers. And I I think to your point,
the fact that I'm wearing a black brother not you
can see much and she didn't have hers like pushed
up and out, but it was.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Just a little peek through.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, but I think we don't realize how much permission
that show gave us to push the boundaries from what
was before that, because you know shows I was watching,
you know, around the time of before was sort of
like you Melrose Place, you know No. Two and O's
everything was out of America, really yeah, and we hadn't
seen anything like that. What do you think about some
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of those iconic looks or unusual things that they wore
thirty years ago has influenced us now, Like do the
kids even realize?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
I think it's had a real resurgence, like you're hear
now about like gen Z and even like Gen Alpha
getting into sex and the City in a way, and
I guess because it feels otherworldly and also there is
that thing at the moment because we're all so on line,
everyone's style is starting to look very similar because we're
all looking at the same few blogs, we're looking at
the same photo.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Or we're liking something on the algorithm. The algorithm is
then sending us such a narrow view that you think
that's all there is because you know, I was looking
for a certain type of of geens and I was like, wow,
there's no other. You know, everything is getting more narrow
and narrow, and it's already relatively narrow to begin with,
because you know, with online retailers, they have so much
data about what cells they make more of that, then
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you algorithm gives you more of that, and you feel
like there's nothing else out there exactly.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And that's why I do feel at the moment we're
kind of living in the death of personal style, which
is confronting. But I think in a way, Sex and
the City gave you permission to find your personal style.
And I know this might be a controversial take, but
I do feel like Carrie Bradshaw's style is very attainable,
not just aspirational, which I still.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Talk to me about that and tell me why.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Well, I think because on the outset, you're looking at
like these are designer pieces that normal people cannot afford.
And it's also on this woman who is conventionally thin
and attractive, and she was a ballerina for a long time.
She has a ballerina's body again, which is why she's
wearing the two two in the opening sequence, and you know,
she has her hair bill alone for that blonde and
foils and the hair imagine is literally more than most
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people would a mortgage free year.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
And also her lifestyle is a freelancer. You know, she's
like your you know, you often run from the office
quickly to an event in the three seconds. She has
the time, and they're just like the freedom I guess
as that character, she.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Has so much time.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Yeah, totally to sit and wonder. But I think you're
right because I think, you know, I've watched a resurgence
that I haven't actually realized was a lot. You know,
a lot of influence came from this. But for example,
I'm wearing some vintage shoes because I felt they were
like quite cary. I think they were sixteen dollars, Wow,
my brass from Target. This is secondhand, And so you
can because it's not a look for her particularly but
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even yeah, probably mostly for her. But it's all a colectic,
it's all kind of a stylish, but it doesn't match.
And you that means you can go into your wardrobe
and find old things and pull them out and mix
and match them and just because they're not Manalo Blanik
or whatever she's wearing.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, it's that vibe right exactly. It's not about the
designer clothes, it's the way she puts them together. And
I feel like that's when I first started to get
a bit interested in fashion, when I was a teenager
watching Sex and the City. And again, I'm living in Townsville,
which is tropical North Queensland. Could not be further away
from the streets of me.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Or do you.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
No, because there's't be one day a week in towns
All we can wear a jacket when it's cool enough
the rest of the me the whole year, Yeah, pretty much.
It's tropical all year round, which isn't great for me.
But I would save up all my pennies from working
at the cash register it came out and go and
buy like a pearl necklace or a lace skirt to
put over something, or cowboy boots. And again, I had
literally no where to go. I cannot stay that enough.
I was going to like walk around the shopping center
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with my friends or going to the movies or something,
because when you're sixteen, you want to go somewhere, but
you have nowhere to go. And I felt like every
day I would be putting these outfits together on my
bed and the accessories and things, and I would wear
heels out again. At sixteen, I had nowhere to go.
But it's almost like Carrie Bradshaw gave you permission to
live in a fantasy. And even if your fantasy things
came from Target and Valley Girls, lots of Valley Girls
(20:05):
staff couldn't even afford Sports Girl. And I think that
stayed lay By now, yeah, exact exactly. For God, I
had that six week payment place because I needed it.
And I think sometimes now when I find myself also
now that I kind of have the job I fantasize at.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
The time kind of we both semi have a carriage.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Ob I feel like so many people in our industry do.
Sometimes I think to myself, like living in the big city,
working in this glamorous job, and sometimes when I get
really tired and I feel like I just want to
pull on a waterever outfit, I think, what would sixteen
year old you think when she was watching sex in
the city, that you were leaving the house like that
when you finally have somewhere to go.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yes, totally I love that, but I think you know, yes,
you had nowhere to go, But sixteen year old you,
you clearly were a creative person. Look where you've landed
in your career, and so it was an outlet for
creativity exactly. But then a lot of our listeners don't
have somewhere to go, is you know, as a mother
and as someone who works here part time. But otherwise
I'm schlepping around doing very mundane things. I'm really trying
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not to save my special things and so much nowhere
to go. Sure, I'm not wearing a ball gown, and
definitely not at my age where six inch heels, but
I will wear something a little bit fish, you know.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
And I think that's what Sex and the City has
taught us because look at like some of Carrie's best
outfits is sitting at the diner having breakfast with their
friends on a Saturday even. I feel like one of
the moments that got the most ridiculed from the New
and just like that is where she's staying the night
at her apartment after BIG's death, and she wakes up
in the morning and her coffee machine is broken, and
so she goes down the road to literally just grab
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a coffee from a bodega and She's wearing a full
like chul maxi skirt with a train and a glittery bag,
and I just think that is what she would wear
to go get a coffee.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, that is what she because it's her.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Comfort outfit and she felt good in it and she
felt like that was her outing for the day.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
And do you think because that occurred now, you know,
a couple of years ago, did you see any online
discourse saying someone grieving wouldn't do that?
Speaker 3 (21:56):
There was so much I feel like people had forgotten
the world that they had craved to go back into,
Like everyone wanted to go back into the Sexton City,
and when it came back, we're like, oh, she would
never wear that. First of all, if you go to
New York and walk around like the West Village and stuff,
you do see characters like that who were quint essentially
New York, who live in these rent controlled apartments that
they could never afford, who buy these crazy clothes, and
they do wear stuff like that to get coffee. And
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I'm like, that's Carrie Bradshaw. She's you think of her
as this like fancy girl on TV, but at her heart,
she is just an eccentric New York woman with too
much time and money, and we love her for.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
That and her ten percent. You know, she probably grabbed
her what was closest to the door. She doesn't have
old Lillu lemon leggings and so buld up track is
that's what she's got in her ten percent.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
She'd have to go dig for the flats to find them.
She puts on her walking heels, as she says.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I know, and she walks a lot I had. I
didn't know this, so if you can tell me about it.
Sarah Disika Barker has confirmed that she had a clause
in her contract that allowed her to keep the outfits.
Is this true?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
That is one hundred percent true? So this yeah, yeah,
she has all of them in an archive. No, and
she does loan them out every soften to events and
movies and things. And she says she's keeping them for
her twin daughters and so jealous of those.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Oh my god, they better make an exam.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah, exactly. And so all those archival pieces that you
see in and just like that where that's why they
have all the clothing racks out where she says she's
sorting her clothes so you can see all the pieces
and they're all from her personal archive.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
No way, isn't that just I also do.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Feel that clause was potentially put in before the big designers.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Clay she is a baller. I know she wanted to
get out at the start, but now that is so smart.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
But once the show became so cultural elevant, then she
leaned in in a huge way and you know, became
a producer on the show and became all that sort
of stuff. And yeah, she had that clause written in.
I think it was again to kind of sweeten the
deal because she did want to leave. Yeah, and then
once all the designers started being like, where our stuff? Yes,
it was just like the game.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I can't imagine anyone else playing Kerry but her, No,
not at all. Isn't it funny how that was like
exciting doors moments. You're just so glad that they happened.
I have to admit something, I have only watched the
first two seasons, even just like that, I haven't watched
the third one. I was in a panic to catch up.
But now that we know it's the last, I'm kind
of savoring it, like that that chocolate clear in the
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back of the fridge, or you know that really good
book is saving for holidays. Yes, talk to me about
the last season and what have I missed and maybe
some spoilers for people that haven't caught up, But this
is from a fashion perspective.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yes, I won't go into sort of deep spoilers and
vers all. I think it's the right thing for you.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
To save it because I'm excited now.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
It's like Chillian glass of wine. We're not in the
mood for it. You're not going to enjoy that, but one.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Day you don't want to open the bottle until you're.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Ready exactly one day you're going to reach for that
treat and it's going to be the perfect time.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
So this season was a bit of a divisive one
because Carrie's outfits we're getting, if we're going to talk
from fashion, yes, have been very pulled apart. I don't
know if you saw the images of her like out
and about having ice cream with Sema with a huge
kind of opulent hat.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yes, that hat was a lot looked like a marshmallow
for it.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
It was a huge I do think Sarah Jessica Parker
like she takes a lot of criticism on the chin
for the show with that she was not having it.
She's like that hat came from an artist.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
It is a piece of art, and she's really elevated,
like she's made some designer's whole career is exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I mean, even with monolos and stuff like, she was
the one who were like these are the shoes I'm
gonna or like the Fenny bag ats and stuff like,
she was the one who picked them and brought them
into a bit more Maine stream, which means more people
were buying them. But I do think that she's just
in a different place in her life from the original
Sex and the City, and so her clothes should reflect
that she is a multi multi millionaire woman because she
has the money from her books, but also all of
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the money, including the money that he was meant to
give to Natasha, which then carry kept, which is fair enough.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
God she I mean I half feel bad for Natasha.
She felt.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
She doesn't need any Yeah, she has her own money,
as she said on the show. So I think we're
looking at this woman who's living in this mansion and
who has unlimited money, unlimited time, and her clothes should
reflect that. Just think if you had nothing but time
to sit around your huge house with unlimited money.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
And it was already part of you, you do your expression,
and I think it still kind of shows like in
this new season, we do see Carrie like attaching significance
to like a Vivian Westwood dress that she thought was
too special to wear, and then she wears when she
wants to go.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Meet this writer she's got a crush on, because she
decides she and she's ready for the moment. And and
you see her again go off in these like beautiful
gowns to meet her friends and very kind of big
on the accessories, and it does feel like it stays
true to the carry Branshaws style. It's just reflecting where
she is now.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Right exactly and me as mid forties, trust me, you
get to a point where you give zero FUCKX that
goes both ways. Sometimes it's literally tracksit that hasn't been
washed for three months, that I had a spray tang
in it, and sometimes it is a ball gown and
no coffee, And I kind of like that. Before we
get into bougie and budget, can I ask you did
you have a favorite character or do you have a
favorite character and has it changed through their thirty years? Oh?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I mean it's hard because I loved all of them
from the start, which I feel is like just maybe
like a goodie two shoes answer that I loved. I
loved like Charlotte's romanticism for the world. I love Miranda's smarts.
And again, I think Samantha is the best friend you
could have. But I do relate to carry the most.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
But about fashion wise.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
Fashion wise, oh I wish. I mean again, I've tried
to dress like Carry over the years in a way.
I don't think my taste is that eclectic. I think
more of a Samantha I think is like power blazer.
I see that for series. I think that kind of
power dressing is what I relate to the most. And
also at end of the day most comfortable. She's often
in a suit and I was like that woman can.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Move, yeah totally, And a bold accessory you added on
and it looks like you put so much effort. Mine has
to be Miranda, not in just like that, not because
of everything that happened with her then, but in Sex
and the City. I just and maybe now because that
whole kind of nineties and white two K's having a resurgence,
it maybe was a bit daggy back then, but I
(27:39):
don't know, Like it's just I just loved Miranda and
I love what she wore and I will always love her.
I love that.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
I love that Miranda had a huge resurgence with that
we should like with the every outfit girls writing that
we shoulll be Miranda's and all of a sudden everyone
loved her. Do you have a favorite Miranda look or
a favorite season?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Oh? My god, I mean I love I just love Steve.
I think I just like, I.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Actually just want to be Miranda and marry Steve, I know.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
But then do I and then he gets really fit.
I can't remember exactly what it was, but there was
a few kind of brown blazes she wore, just from
what I remember, some good knits like you said as well, I.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Just autumn tone. She always looks gorgeous. Look.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
If I could play with any of their wardrobes, I
wouldn't say no.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah exactly, it's very expensive. How Wandre.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Onto boogie and budget, my friend. So our vibe for
this episode is Sex and the City inspired something we
might have bought in the past or looking at or
just something that you know, like you say, inspired by
Sex and the city you can get to your fancy
events after work. I want to start with your boogie
or your budget.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I stuff my budget because I'll say my bougie is
like the dessert, yes and love it.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
What's your budget?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
So it's a skirt that I've recently purchased a second
one off. So I bought this skirt a few years ago.
And talking about the ten percent that you reached for
in your closet, I reached this multiple times a day,
to the point where when I do I have to
wash it, I'm sometimes in a panic. So recently the
other day I bought another one. I'm also like, what
if it gets lost on a plane or something and I.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Don't have it.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
So it's the Solar skirt. So it's a long black
Maxi skirt from an Australian label called Fate Very Size Inclusive.
They've got to a size twenty four. Their stuff is
lovely and at the outset you might think like, oh,
a black Maxi skirt, that's not that Sex and the City.
But why I kind of and I guess it's also
something that all the different characters would wear. But the
reason I call it my Sex and the City piece
(29:36):
is that I use it to layer. It's almost not
those pieces that kind of fades away to nothing where
I layer, like the really fancy tops and the glittery
heels and the blaze right foundation, it's the foundation piece.
So yes, the Flora Solar skirt.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
For your job. I have to just tell you. There's
an Australian brand called Dirt. It's kind of like a fabreeze,
but it's fancier and it smells like perfume. Okay, I
don't know about that, and it's antibacterial as well. It's
meant to be a travel spray for when you want
to wear you go again. Everything of mine is dirted.
It doesn't sound very sexy as a brand. Oh, we'll
put a link in the show notes the amount of
jackets I disprayed the pits or something. I pull it
(30:09):
up to wash, I go, oh, need to like not
it's filthy.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
But yeah, we just in one more. You just in
one more wear that.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Will change your life. Add that to your work order,
I will. Oh, yeah, it's very good. Good tip, all right,
my budget. Look, it's not that cheap. But it was
worn by Carrie in season two. She wore a very
iconic light blue, one shoulder, kind of rouchey dress. The
designer is Normal Kamali, and you can get it in
(30:35):
literally any color. About eight years ago, I bought it
on the out net when was on sale in lime green.
Don't ask me why. I think that color is particularly discounted,
and that's all I could haveoughd at the time. But
it's still around. You can get it for about one
hundred and fifty bucks on the out net. It's on
Netaporter at the moment. They make it every single season
(30:56):
in a jersey and then sort of more of a
slinky one. You can even get it in a leather.
So originally it's about four hundred, you can get for
like one hundred, one hundred and fifty dollars. I've still
got it. It's got a built in body suit leg thingy.
Not so I inclusive. From what I believe, it's French sizing.
But I'll have it forever. I've actually tried to wear
it recently again, but then I don't know. Maybe now
(31:17):
that we're back in this vibe, I love it. I
just we shouldn't get the green. But she wore it
in season two, which would have been washed nineteen ninety eight. Yes,
and normal Commal is still making it.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Oh, I love that. A truly timeless fashion.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I'm going to put in my archive, like with three
other things like sjp's massive archive. All Right, what's you bougie.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
This is a new brand that's only come out in
the last year and it's called a Range and I
buy it fire asos, so unfortunately you can't try it on.
It's a UK brand, but it is the first time
I found a brand of plus size and they do
straight sizing two so three from a six to a thirty.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Oh wow, that's impressive, and just these.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Very opulent fashion moments, like beautiful studded gowns, lacecowns, sequence skirts.
It's a very opulent range and the first time I've
seen sort of Sex and the City inspired clothes from
a size six through to a size thirty at a
fairly reasonable price point from what it is. You know,
some of the pieces are at four hundred five hundred
dollars and then some of them more around one hundred
(32:12):
dollars range, but they have these like beautiful kind of
studded gowns and like silk gowns and beautiful lace tops
and this gold sequin skirt that is just this Sex
and the City dream. I've always had to wear something
that opulent behind it.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I'm saying, you've bought a dress, anna buy the skirt.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I think I'm gonna buy the skirt. It's so wildly
and practical. But I also just think I'm gonna wear
it to the office with like a white T shirt.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
You have the most glamorous job.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I'm just gonna wear it to my next donk could
be more dressed up than the movies star I'm chatting
to so again, they have really beautiful basics and things,
but I think it is the I bought this like
studded kind of like a lime green long sleeved gown,
and all of these just really beautiful pieces that just
weren't available. So and I'm finding the quality from the
pieces I bought so far from that I've bought like
a lace top and a lace dress, the quality really beautiful,
(33:03):
the fit really beautiful. It's lovely to be able to
size up and down if you need, and just to
like wear something so special that feels like it came
from a designer showroom.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
So Arrange is the brand.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Change, and it's on Aesos yes, amazing. Oh my god,
I'm gonna have to have a look. I mean, you
show me a few pictures.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
I need to see that. You got too excited.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
No, I love it, Okay, my bougie. I would never buy,
but I just am fascinated and loved it. And it's
horrific and awful and so ugly. The J. W Anderson
pigeon clutch. Yes, so Kerry had this in season two
and just like that. I love JW. Andison. He is
a phenomenal designer and I have a few bags of
(33:42):
his before he became cool, when they're about six hundred dollars,
but then I'd wait for them to go on the
outnet and buy the color. No one wanted the three
Then she you know he's now he's the designer of
Dior or something. Now one of the big ones often
does a collaboration with Uniglow. There's one at the moment.
But this pigeon bag is exactly as it sounds. A small, hard,
(34:05):
almost like statue of a pigeon with a small little
bit that opens and you can put like one key
and maybe a left liner in it. So impractical, but
I think it speaks to where Carrie was at that point, like,
you know, she had lots of money, she didn't really
need to carry anything. Carrie famously never really liked a phone.
She didn't have to fit a phone in there. No,
but it's you know, well over a thousand dollars. Then, strangely,
(34:27):
given the name JWP, which is another designer I like
that makes more affordable bags, has done an almost exact
tube for a couple of hundred dollars. Confusing, there's two
JW's there, and also does a cat, a unicorn. You know,
lots of different strange animal bags. But we're seeing a
huge resurgence of these almost fantastical character tore bags and
(34:51):
it's just a bit of joy after you know, a
lot of seriousness in the world and you know, the
quiet luxury trend, which was lovely and I you know,
I dress quite classically, but it's a bit boring. I
just love looking at these things exactly. I'm never gonna
buy it. I just think it's kind of ridiculous. But
I love that there's art out there in fashion. And
if you don't want either of those, but you want
(35:12):
to get on the bag charm trend because everyone's wearing
sort of bag charms, get your regular good old black bag.
And then there's this really cute pigeon caring on Amazon
and it's cheapest chips. So we're gonna put all of
those in the show notes. But if you want a
pigeon to carry in some form, you've got three options.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Well I kind of do now. Well, so much joy
to carry a tiny pigeon in your hands.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
As long as it's not a live like that woman
who kidnapped Love Seagull. Yeah, Laura, Oh my gosh, it's
such a wealth of knowledge. I do not know how
you fit all of that in your brain for every
show and movie and it's just phenomenal. So thank you
for joining me. That was awesome.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Oh thanks for having me to talk about the greatest
show on TV.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Thank you so much for joining me, And don't forget.
If you want more fashion, you can follow us on
Instagram and we have our very own nothing to Wear
YouTube channel. And I'll see you next week.
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