October 15, 2025 • 30 mins
Spring has officially sprung, but your wardrobe is still stuck in winter mode! This week, Leigh's joined by returning favourite Nicole Bonython-Hines (her fifth appearance - clearly we play favourites!) to tackle the art of seasonal wardrobe rotation. Think it's just for people in movies? Think again!
Nicole's telling us why rotating your wardrobe isn't just about space - it's about actually seeing and wearing what you own. She's sharing her foolproof system for storing everything from delicate knits to structured blazers without the dreaded moth casualties or mould disasters.
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Leigh's Budget: Warmi 16 Pack Vacuum Storage Bags with Electric Air Pump $39.99
Nicole's Budget: Moth Repellent Lavender Tablets
Leigh's Boujie: Sagitine Florence 8 Box Stand $1040.00
Nicole's Boujie: Max Mara Coats
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges
the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast
is recorded on. Hey you bis, it's Lee here and
I want to ask you a question. Are you a
wardrobe rotator? Because you know how in the different seasons
we kind of tweak our skincare routines, maybe a thicker
texture or a thinner change our cleanser. Well, we should
(00:32):
be doing that with our wardrobe. Obviously. We don't want
to a jumper to the beach or swimmers at the snow.
And the incredible nicolber Nith and Hines joins me on
Nothing to Wear to talk about how to rotate your
wardrobe seasonally, what to put away, and how to store
things so that little moss and bugs don't eat them.
Her tips are genius. I've just started doing mine and
it's changed my life. Whoever said orange is a new
(00:55):
pink with seriously disturved.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Laurels spraying groundbreaking?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Oh my god, you.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Have to do it. You live for fashion. Hello, and
welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that solves fashion
problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Handle and every
week I sit down with an expert who helps us
work out how to get more out of the clothes
we already own and tells us what is and isn't
worth adding to our wardrobes. So we're at that kind
of weird in between time of the year where we're
(01:21):
done with vering. While I went to clothes, we want
to get excited for summers springs. Here is it here,
and then it's cold, and then it's warm. But generally
we don't always have enough wardrobe space to really see
and wear all our clothes. So do we do a
seasonal rotation? I kind of thought that was what people
did in the movies. I sometimes put a few jackets
(01:42):
and fancy dresses away, But there are so many benefits
to doing a seasonal wardrobe rotation. More storage for the
season you're actually wearing, more space in your wardrobe to
see and store the things you're gonna wear that season,
and also the opportunity to have a look at what
you've got and what you might want to pass on
or resell. So joining me today is nicolberneithen Hines. She
(02:03):
is one of my favorite guests. She has been on
the show five times, including this, and she's going to
tell us, how to rotate our wardrobe, what to store,
and how to stop mold and little moss eating our things?
Nicole Master of Everything, my favorite guest, welcome back, this
is your fifth time? Or nothing to wear? Oh so
that shows that maybe I do play favorites. So I
(02:24):
don't have any more intro questions for people that have
been on five times. But last time you're on, you're
about to finish your reno, you close was somewhere else
your wardrobe wasn't ready? Yeah, where did we land?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Look, we've moved in. We thought we had a lot
more space than we did.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Okay, and what does that mean for your wardrobe?
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Well, half it's in storage, okay, like in a completely
different location. Story.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Oh, not somewhere else in the house.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
No, Well, actually there's a rack up in the roof
that has like you know what we can talk about later.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, seasonal crossover.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah, but I've also got, you know, the things that
I just can't possibly part with.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, like the archive all gowns.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, well youe't perfect for this, and I'm so sorry
to hear that.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
It's really annoying. I go, oh that tweet coat?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yes, yeah, right, And it's always just as life goes on,
kind of get more storage. But anyway, you're the perfect
person to talk to. So today we're talking seasonal wardrobe rotation.
Do people really do this? Do you think in your opinion?
I wonder how many people do this and what's the
purpose of doing it? And now I know you do
it because he has to, but talk to me about that.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I think most I mean, some people are lucky and
they've got enormous cupboards and they can have everything hanging
all the time. But most of us, I think, are
a little limited. And plus we all probably over purchase.
So it really does make sense to have like a
winter and a summer and rotate them. Yes, and then
(03:50):
there's ways around that. I've always done that, even when
I had a much bigger house and much more storage. Yeah,
I've always done it.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Wow, So that you can then, you know, less clutter
less mental and you can focus because you're not going
to really need that tiny summer dress when correct? Correct?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I mean obviously we go on holidays mid season, and
that is a bit of a spanner in the works.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yes, you can work your way around that.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Okay, So when I think of doing this, and I
kind of semi do it, but as you know, I'm
very unorganized, so whether or not I'm doing it right,
I think jackets away maybe heaving its tine, it'll summer
things out and vice versa. But are we assessing our
whole wardrobe in your opinion? Do we assess our whole
wardrobe twice yearly?
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I think we kind of do. There are, obviously, in
between things that you'll always come to, like shirts which
are all year round, and really skimpy things you won't.
They're the things that you probably they're there in the
high summer but not there in the winter.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I guess it's also based on where you live and
if it gets super cold and they're hot or that's true. Yeah, true, Okay,
But do you kind of do most most things? Yeah,
I guess I at least assess them and go sort of.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
I mean, you know, for example, in the winter, I
don't need a summer struppy shoe.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yes, shoes is a good idea because I don't have
a good shoes.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I mean everything, I've just I've got too many things
for the amount of space that I have, So.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I definitely want to do do it for shoes, that's
the most obvious one, not really.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
I mean the things that are really obviously, like, you know,
winter you're not going to need your sarongs and your
beach cover ups and your bikinis and your tanks and
mini shorts or whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
But I'm very light on shoe storage. So that's just
blowing my mind. Do you or do you suggest that
our listeners use this time to do a whole wardrobe
clean out or is that a different mindset?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
That's I mean, you could kill two birds with one stone,
but it could be a bit of a different mindset.
I mean, it wouldn't be harmful to when you're packing
away one season and entering into the new one to
kind of assess what you're packing away and so did
I wear that? Actually? Is it worth hanging on to?
You know, there are some things that you probably just
didn't even touch this winter. Yeah, it comes to that
(05:59):
period of time you just think, is this really something
I'm going to wear moving forward? If I didn't wear
it this season? Is it something I really want to
hang on to next season?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
So being a bit more mindful rather than just going coat.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think it's quind a good
to color a little bit, but it is you know,
the whole cleaning out your wardrobe thing is a different
mindset in theory, but why not tackle it a little
bit at a time.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, not for me. I've got too much stuff, as
you know. But the episode we did together then covered
all things care for your clothes. I still use every
single product you recommended, the washing powder, they're soap. Oh
my gosh. Yes, I've got subscriptions on Amazon, so kind
of related to that. Before we choose, you know, we've
(06:41):
chosen what we're putting into storage, do we laun to things,
do we air things out? Are we getting things dry clean?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Well?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
How do we get them ready for being put away?
So putting knits away it's imperative. We did discuss this
at length, I think last times my favorite subject.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
You make launchry sexy. So what do we do with
amid well knits?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
You've absolutely one. If you've worn it this season, you
absolutely have to wash it. Even if you wore it once,
you've still got to wash it. And then you've really
got to concentrate like it might look not dirty, like
you might look at it and go, oh, there's no
you know, spilk coffee on it or whatever.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yes, I had a t shirt on underneath you. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
No, the moss will eat the so where it sits
on your skin, like the body oils and sweat and
things like that that you don't even see they're invisible.
The moss will go for that, oh learn, and especially
around the cuffs where it collects a bit of dirt.
I just pulled out one of my really favorite mits
the other day that it's all like eaten around the
edge of the cuff. That explains so much.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Okay, we're going to get into how to actually store
like I mean storage solutions.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Silk.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Is that the same because it's natural?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Like it?
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Do we have to be really careful of natural fibers
because little pritters.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Like do you know what, I've never had a moth
eat a silk thing? Okay? Is that a thing? Has
that happened to you?
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Who knows? With me? I think it's because I've put
it in the wash and just said go with God,
and I hope it comes out. But I don't.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
I mean, in theory, you should really wash everything before
you store it. Yeah, okay, and then when you pull
things in that's another story we can.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, okay, good, So say we've got some beautiful structured blazers,
which you've told me before you really can't do it way.
You've got a dry clean. So we've dry cleaned it
and it's ready for storage. We're not allowed to leave
it in that plastic bag, are we well?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
So they say, because it keeps some moisture in. But
I guess it depends what climate you're in. Okay, if
you're in a dry climate, I don't see there's a
problem with that, But if you're in a queenslandy humid
then yeah, that could be probably.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Get a lot of mold, yeah, and we glo warming
it's hotter everywhere.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I don't like them anyway. They feel funny, and I
don't like the little hangar. I take our own hangers now.
So we also did a fabric deep dive, which was fascinating.
You had to love to download your brain into mine.
So when it comes to our clothes, do we consider
what fabric they're made of when we work out how
to store them? For example, I think I would get
in trouble if I hung a knit.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Oh, you definitely can't hang a knit. They have to
be folded, okay, and they need to be obviously washed,
dried and stored with you know, lavender bags. I prefer
the lavender smell.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
To them, like the little you know you get them
when you get a new handbag, like there's a moisturebs
orbery type thing or just a can get.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Well you can get these little leavender things. I get
a friend bring them back from the UK.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
And they're like actual leavender like almost like what pot
pai used to be in a little bag.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
No, they're like a tablet that are lavender flavored. But
anyway they keep the bugs away.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Oh wow, that's so clever. I thought it was just
so it smelt nice when you got there.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
No, well they just smell better than camphor and cedar,
I think when you pull them out. I mean, I
just don't want to take any risk because I can't
tell you how many cashmere casualtieth I've had.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, when you say camper and all that, that's that
kind of I don't want to be ages. But like
old persons. Yeah, you know, thrift store smell. Why does
it happen?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Have you ever smelled a camphor tree?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
No? But what what is that?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Like?
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I don't even know what?
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Okay, so care is a tree? It's actually a noxious
weed in Australia. You see when you meant to pull
them out. Oh, I had one in my garden, so
I know a whole lot about them because it was
too big to pull out anyway.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
So people put in camp for products with their clothes.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Yeah, they camped for balls, So that's moth balls are
actually camp for balls.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Oh my gosh, You've blown my mind. And that's probably
why we don't see it so much. So it's like
we're like old people's clothes. It not like that because
it's a thing done in the past.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Well yeah, I mean you still can buy them readily.
They're pretty the standard mothballs like camphor balls.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
And obviously camper is like moss. Don't like camper, no, allegedly.
But I've done I've done mothballs. You tried it.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Those moths there really? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
And those fishy things. Is that the same?
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I think that's the same. But you know, I've never
and I have had so many nits eaten. I've never
seen a discarded like a shell or a dead I've
seen anyone, or a pooh or anything like teeny.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Tiny little silver robots.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Right, okay, never seen one, And yet so many of
my things have been eaten. You'd learn the hard way
about the washings.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Because I know you're such a big advocate and a
big lover of mostly natural fabrics. But say we're storing
some polyester rayon. Don't get mad at me. More synthetic
they tend to be more durable.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Yes, I don't think bugs like No, But if you
store a polyist or something long term and you haven't
cleaned it, that stain will become something that you can
never get rid of. It kind of goes deeper and
darker and yellower.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
And I've made that mistake buying thrifted things thinking I
can get that out, but no, no, okay, so make
sure everything's super clean, yes, I think so. Yeah, talk
to me about mold and how much you know about mold, mold,
loved leather and sweet.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Yeah, it does. It does. Like in the more natural things,
it's really it's tricky to get rid of as well.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Totally. I've gone to the point of just throwing out
one of my most favorite handbags because it was literally
like it looked like there was a tree. I stored
it up in my wardrobe in its canvas bag, but
there was just no air circulating cramped too much.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
I think if you've got too much stuff around it around,
you're kind of screwed. Okay, but you know people say,
keep those little sachets, you know, if your vitamin bottles.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, I buy them in bulk off Amazon.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Oh you can buy them in Bold. Hey you yes,
because I just recycle mine out of my well, I do.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
That what our house, thankfully. My wardrobes upstairs, but downstairs
the spare room and the home office are a heritage original,
even though we've done you know, little things, but those
if it's a raining a lot like it has been
recently in Sydney, those two wardrobes are really prone to mold.
And not that I really care that much, but I
feel a bit sorry for my husband. But he's had
(12:30):
a lot of issues this winter. So I've bought the
big things that you refeel like hanging things, and then
I've got lots of little things for his draws, so
they helped. I don't know. I haven't checked. It's not
my course, but I guess you want to check where
you're storing things which will get too soon, because you know,
if that's a damp area and it's a longer period
of time. So we want to be sustainable and we
(12:59):
want to minimize landfill. So we're obviously storing stuff we
love and we'll wear later. So how do we make
sure we're doing that? Is it those vacuum bags? Is
it tubs? How would you recommend? How do you personally
do it?
Speaker 4 (13:14):
So personally I sought through. So maybe mid spring, I'll
you know, because there's always that period in the early
spring or early well earlier. It's actually always hot, isn't it, yes,
where you sort of get those throwbacks to winter and suddenly,
all of a sudden, it's ten degrees and it's.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
A false start. Yeah, you don't want to put everything.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
You don't want to put everything away, but you could
probably start transitioning if you wanted to. If you don't
want to, you know, you just want to do it
in one go, then just wait until mid spring.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
The idea of doing in stages like your big puff,
really that can go.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
You could do your big things. It's just annoying though
you might have to reaccess the things. You know, like,
for example, you've got your tubs if that's what you're
going to use, and you keep them in a really
hard to access so do you really want to pull
them down out of the cup again, I would just yeah,
maybe not, maybe just do it all in one go.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
But and are you a tub? Are you a vacuum bag? Home?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Every thing? So the bulky things, I'll do the vacuum bags.
So puffer jackets, knits, I'll vacuum those. But the one
thing that I've always used, and I really like them
because you can see everything of those, you know those
bags that you get more recycling in those bags. You
get pillows and blankets and things when you buy them,
and they're zipper all the way around. Oh my god,
(14:31):
you can see everything in them and they're zipper, so
they're really easy to open and close, like those vacuum
bags are kind of harder to access.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yes, I agree, And then you're like is it worth?
Speaker 4 (14:41):
And then I've got to pull the vacuum out and
do it all over again. I actually quite like those bags,
and I always keep them whenever I get one, or
you know that's big borrow and steal them off.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Friends say, if you don't want that bag, I haven't
throw it out. I've even got a zipper on all.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I know. They're really good, those bags, and they're thick,
clear plastics so you can really see into properly. I
really like those, and I just label them on the inside.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
That's what I was going to ask. So do you
write like a little list and put it on the
inside of it? Pretty much?
Speaker 4 (15:07):
So it might be you know, tanks, short swim suits
or whatever. Like I obviously keep all the high summer
things together and all the high winter things that will
just be knits or you know, lingerie that I'm probably
never gonna wear it, stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
It's just for memories. Is there anything we can't fold? Like,
do we have to hang anything? I guess like gowns.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Gowns. Yeah, you probably need to have that many downs.
I mean it's really hard because you've got to have
the hanging space.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, and that's usually what you're freeing you need to
free up.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Yeah, that's exactly right. So you just have to make
a call really. I mean, if it's a gown, well
maybe you have to put it in a bag and
steem it when the time comes.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I had an idea when I knew I was going
to talk to you, because we have quite a lot
of luggage, like suitcases and which we kind of layer
them in but there's some random ones. Do you think
you could use a suitcase as storage? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I actually have well in my other storage facility, I
home suitcases that I've also labeled.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yes, because it's you know, luggage and suitcases is so
annoying to store anyway, so you may as well come
to Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Well, actually I tend to use the suitcases I'm never
going to use again because they're just they're easy to stack.
You can put them on top of each other, yeah, clever,
and they're bigger than tubs generally, and easier to haul around.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yes, if you've got a garage that's you know, down
the back of the yard or like you say, you're
in another spot, you can get the whole suitcase and.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Yeah it's on wheels or whatever. Yeah, I find them
a bit easier. But if it's if it's going to
the top of your cupboage and you're only gonna you know,
you need a ladder to get it down or whatever,
then those tubs are good. But I put those vacuum
bags in those tubs, and I label the tubs so
then you know one tub is high summer and it's
(16:48):
you know, tanks, shorts, yeah, swim.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Whatever, that's clever. I've got a few of those vacuum
I've got a lot of them, but I use them
sometimes for linen. I've got them for some hand me
downs that my son hasn't grown into yet. But then
they get all slippery and don't stack nicely, or they
pop open, and then.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
It's like I do they pop over? Those things? You
kind of go to it and all the airs come
into them and you're like, yes, what happened. That's why
those others if you bags are kind of good.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Okay, I'm going to put my vacuum bags into tubs.
That feels nice and neater. It can be a bit
more of a jig saw Ginger. Yeah, it's a bit easier,
says me. He's probably never going to do this. So
you mentioned unpredictability of weather. I always get false start,
even though I start wearing sandals about now, what are
the items that you suggest that probably most people have?
All you have that you can really kind of keep
(17:31):
out for ever, like a trench, so lightweight so midweight
things are probably all year round, like a trench, I
mean t shirts.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I don't ever pack them away. Oh no, I would cry,
but I do pack away long sleeve T shirts when
it's someone Yeah, I can never wear those. Yeah, but
I'll wear a short sleeve T shirt all year round.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
So if you think doing this all in one is overwhelming,
there are benefits to maybe doing it in stages.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Yeah, you could do it in stages. But again, it
just depends on where you're going to put those boxes.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, okay, so some of yours are in the roof.
We've all got limited space. What are some commonplaces you've
heard of people putting their off season O.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Look, mostly it's just sort of tops of cupboards. Yeah,
you know parents' cupboards.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yes, we've got one of those lift up bed thingies
like that. Good, But my husband won't let me use
it for clothes because he's got his silly vintage squash
racket collection. But he wants to put on the wall,
but I'll never let him. So I'm like, we're never
using that, not that i'll never let him, but those
I think him.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
That sounds like a really bad idea.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
No, But if you're ever moving or setting up home
or getting new furniture, I think even from ten years ago,
there's so much amazing furniture with storage, because obviously living
spaces are getting smaller, so try and get it to
for one, if you can, even like I just got
a little ottoman it's roughly that size to sit at
my little makeup thing. And that's storage. Oh wow, I
know I put my clothes in there. But there's storage
(18:57):
in places you don't know theirs storage. Yeah, they're definitely,
but think about practicalative if you need to access or yeah,
if you're up high in a suit, it's a suitcase
if it falls on you, yeah, yeah, and you can't
be guaranteed someone's going to be around to help you
that thing down there. Yes, because it's for you to
have that dress for them.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
And also I would say because I did, I did
do that once made that mistake of getting a tub
that's too big. Yes, And yeah, once you stack in those,
especially if you use the vacuum bags, those boxes can
become quite heavy.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, I agree. I think like a thirty leader is good.
Can you tell that I've.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Sort of pressed leaders my top side.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I learned the hard way because I'm an online orderer,
and I was like, those tubs are pretty, and then
they came and they were like big lunch boxes. Oh
oh my god. And then when I looked at some
other tubs that I have at home, and they're kind
of they're about that. So because I also do it
for beauty products and things, you know, with my work,
but anything sort of bigger than that, if you're filling
it with heavy things.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
You just can't get them downe. And then you kind
of look at it go, yeah, I'm not going to
get that downe agreed.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Or some of them have wheels. Also, a good tip
is there are a lot on Marketplace from you know,
businesses that have shut down, you know, because if you
are just for moving or anything, they can be you know,
ten bucks a tab.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah. So there's a a lot of almost never used
ones on Facebook because I'm buying all the gear and
now I'm asking you so I have an idea of
how to do this, okay, And if anyone needs some lunchboxes,
I've got heaps. Okay, So we're doing the actual switcherou
So do you get out the season we're about to
go into, dump that all somewhere and then use those
tubs like yes, swap like that? Okay, okay aye, that's
(20:32):
overwhelming to me.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And I mean if you've got enough space that you
can tub right, but generally it has to be a
direct switch because that you've got limited.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Space sort of.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
But then, and this is probably something that I should
be doing.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I know.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Sometimes I go, yeah, I'm going to pull out those
long sleeves, but maybe not those long seas and then
I've got some in some out. Yes, but that's probably
a message to me to go, you're probably never going
to wear them.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, that would be the time to say that's wardrobe
clean out time you go, actually, because you could do
a bit of a stock take as you go. Yes,
you could.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Yeah, it's probably a good idea, and I should probably
do that. Coming to the next season.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yes, because you haven't done your spring yet, no, god, no, no, no,
I mean it's in here. It's hard though, because the
spring summer, the first spring drops hit stores in August
and you get so excited for a new season, and
then you don't want to wear what you've been wearing
all winter. But the weather's like I'm sorry, I'm not
ready yet. No yeah, okay, so ignore what's on in
the stores and just listen to the weather. Yeah okay.
(21:32):
This sounds like a boring and overwhelming process to a
lot of people. Me included, but so helpful. Is there
anywhere to make it fun?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Well, you could play some fun music.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
You know what I've started to do, and I'm doing
any sort of tarting up or whatever. In my wardrobe,
I reach for and look at the things that bring
me joy first, not the stuff that I think, Oh,
I don't know if I like you, I feel guilty
for buying you, or because then you're in a mindset
of like, oh, I don't know what to do with that.
But if you kind of pull out stuff that brings
you joy, so that could maybe for this be the
things you might wear all year round, or you just
(22:04):
want to look out or whatever. I feel like that
starts me in a happier mindset. Then this is hard
and overwhelming.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
No, I think, well, maybe to prevent hard and overwhelmings,
just to kind of do one to say, I'm going
to tackle yesops, or I'm going to tackle denim. So
I know you wear denim all year round, but I
will never wear denim in high summer.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Why because it's hot.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
I don't understand how people do denim in like January.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Oh my gosh, I I it sounds like you don't
brush your teeth to me. I know you know how
much I love my jeans. I know you how well
I know.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
So they're the things that denim is one of the
things I put away.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, and I could. I probably obviously reach for it less.
And there's certain cuts and weights of denim that I
definitely would wear winter, but not definitely not summer. So
I couldn't. You could even partially do an area, Yeah
you could.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
I mean it depends. And I know you've got a
lot of denim so that you could.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Clear a lot of it's a clean out.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Oh, very good. So what you got forty instead of
eighty twenty instead.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Of no, no, no, closer to that first one. So we're
doing the switcheroo and we've realized, actually, I'm not going
to wear that. There's some of your long sleeve tops.
You know. I often find this with like sometimes shoes
that have harlet been worn. Although that's why I don't
rotate them. That's why I don't have space because I'm
keeping shoes because they were you know a couple of
(23:20):
more advances. Yeah, So say throughout this process, you go, Okay,
these things aren't getting rotated anymore. They're geting rotated out
of my life? What would you do with them?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
So selling them is going to be tricky because I'm
let's just say we're mid spring and we're putting away
our winter things. You're not going to sell a high
winter thing in.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, maybe when you're doing the switcheroo you make it
sell maybe and then going into that season. Yes, you
could do a diary. You could do that, you know,
that's that's a good point. See, I would sort of.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Go, oh, put it on eBay and then I just
you'll just sit there and sit there and sit there,
and then I'll just go I'm just going to put
it in there.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
You're very realistic, that's the bit.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Maybe if it was in a separate place or yeah,
I think that's a good idea. If you've got space
and you had a tub and you could sell it. Yeah,
it is a beautiful quality in it that you haven't
worn much or a coat. It's worth yeah, yeah, it
is and you want to go back out into the world.
But you're right, people aren't sitting on Facebook, Marketplace or
anything right now looking for really, I mean, not by
(24:25):
someone's old bikini, you know what I mean. Yeah, Yeah,
you've got to think of other people's mindset. Yeah, okay,
I'm going to I'm gonna no, I don't need any
more tablets. But that's true because oftentimes that's when I
stop the process because I'm like, well, I won't wear it,
but I don't know what to do with it, and
then I just leave. Yeah, okay, so sections and put
notes in your diary. That's what my point.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Otherwise, I think notes in diaries is a good idea.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, especially when a new season comes and hit stores
and you get so excited, but you haven't got out
that stuff yet, and then you buy things and you
get that out and you're like, oh, yeah, got similar.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Yeah, and then when you pull out the old things
that you're rotating in, maybe you can relook at those
and think, can I give these new life?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yes, I love that.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I think I need a buddy for this, and a
lot of people I know to a buddy system. It
does help because that would be good. Yeah, and you
and oftentimes even afterwards we do it at mamam. You're
a slopping party, you know, so maybe after everyone's on
their spring clean, you could then get your friends or whatever.
I've got a really great WhatsApp group with school mum.
So there's ways to make it fun.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, it's very expensive, how wonder.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Okay, Bougie and budget, So we can either do something
that we've got out of rotation a million times, so
it's obviously been worth it. You know, each spring or
autumn we go, oh, I love you, I missed you.
I can't wait to wear you again. Or it could
be something storage related, So let's start with your budget.
What would your budget be.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Well, I think it's great to have things that will
protect your things in storage. So the little lavender moth
repellent thing is okay.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
And we can't get your exact ones because they're see well,
she should start a little side hulf of the there's
lots of similar ones online. Yeah there should be some, okay,
well link some of the show notes I order some
of those. Mine are the backbags because I first started
using them actually for travel, because I like to shop
a lot. But then I realized when I'm away, depending
(26:28):
on where I'm going, but then I realized the suitcase
still weighs a lot, even if you can fit a
lot in it, So now I use them mostly at home.
I get ones from Amazon. The brand's called Warmy and
you get a sixteen pack vacuum bags, like sixteen bags,
and then you get a little travel yes vacuum because.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
I know on my Instagram and you can charge the
little well yes on your phone charger.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Or it's got an international thing whiche a country? How good?
Because I mean everyone has a vacum, but what I
meant was mine's like a stick or a robot. Yes,
so that's really good. And then you can buy from
warming because you don't need a lot of those vacuums.
You can then just buy a set of like ten
small bags or that's the brand W A R M. I.
So the pack of sixteen bags and the little electric
(27:10):
which looks like a little water filter or something. Thirty
three bucks. They're so good.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
And is that from Amazon? Yes? I love that.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I know I would be doing that.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Oh all right, bougie, you're the queen of sustainability and
you know quality and wearing things time lesslie, So what's
something that you've pulled in and out, you know, once
a year and gone, oh I love you.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
I haven't started to wear you actually have two really
beautiful Max Mara coats that there's just no way I
could ever get rid of them. My people who've got
loads of money and buy lots of Max Marow coats.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I don't know what they do with the wall because
they're quite bulky. Yes they are, but they're just beautiful,
beautiful Pamela.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
No, I've actually got a tweed one that's really like
it's got and it's got like a button off quilted lining,
so it's super warm. I we used to wear it
when I like shot in New York and Paris and
stuff in January when it was.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Like, wow, my god, I would wear a unicor so stylish.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
And I've got another one that's like a beautiful musty
pink that you can sort of stroke. It's got like
this almost got long hair.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Oh wow. And it does go to show, you know,
when we do do a bougie or you invest in
something if you care for it, well, well have you
had those for ten years?
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Oh fifteen?
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Amazing? See that's it. It's like store it, well, love it,
look after it, and it was so worth the money
in the first place. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Yeah, they're pretty beautiful, really lucks. I always get complimented
when I wear them.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
So my bougie is expensive storage I don't know if
I've spoken about it on the show before. I've definitely
mentioned the brand. It's an aussy Sydney based business, Sagotine.
Have you seen their stuff? Okay, well, maybe I have
beware of the price. I got it at twenty percent off,
but it was still very expensive. But I'm going to
explain why it's worth it. So they sell individual sort
(28:52):
of shoe boxes, but they're these beautiful curved with a
little leather flappy handle thing, so you can stack them places.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
I think I have seen that.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
You can buy the frame, which is like this beautiful
timber frame and you can fit eight or ten. So
the one that I've got the eight, and it probably
is about that tall, so it could be a bedside
depending how tall you bed is, or just a little
side table. That's one thousand and forty dollars for the
side table and the boxes. However, I got it at
twenty percent off, And what I love about it is
(29:21):
because it's literally mostly stored for them beautiful like I've
got a lamp and a candle and a book and
all that jazz on it. But then each box you
don't have to just put I don't put shoes in them.
You can get little inserts that are fee sunglasses or
your wallets or jewelry or for me, I've got like
a lot of those little like wrap up tote bags
that scrunch down to nothing for travel. I've just got
(29:42):
all those bits and bobs that you don't know what
to do with. But a wardrobe essentials you can put
anything in them. But you can buy the boxes individually
if you don't want the whole thing. I nearly died
when I bought it and now and everyone that sees
it because it's you know, you can get lie like
I can get red boxes. You can mix and match
the colored boxes. So love that. You know, a statement piece,
an expensive piece, but the quality is phenomenal. And if
(30:03):
you happen to accidentally trash one of the boxes like
I did, like I let something leak in it, you're
not ruining a whole piece of pone it. Do you
just replace the box?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
How good?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I love it? Oh my gosh, I'm just looking at
it now. Yeah, there's lots of different colors. That is
very They're beautiful. They're beautiful. My husband wanted to steal it,
but no. But if you're in the market for very
expensive storage.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Oh I loved that. Well, it's probably there's probably more
expensive stories.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Oh there, trust me, there absolutely so that could be
a bargain. That's it too for one. Nicole, I love you,
I want you to come on over all my life.
You're so phenomenal. Thank you for joining us, and now
we're all going to golf and sort out our spring cleaning.
Me too, Thank you so much for joining me for
Nothing to Wear, don't forget on Instagram and YouTube. You
(30:46):
can find us at Nothing to Wear Pod. See you
next week.
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges
the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast
is recorded on. Hey you bis, it's Lee here and
I want to ask you a question. Are you a
wardrobe rotator? Because you know how in the different seasons
we kind of tweak our skincare routines, maybe a thicker
texture or a thinner change our cleanser. Well, we should
(00:32):
be doing that with our wardrobe. Obviously. We don't want
to a jumper to the beach or swimmers at the snow.
And the incredible nicolber Nith and Hines joins me on
Nothing to Wear to talk about how to rotate your
wardrobe seasonally, what to put away, and how to store
things so that little moss and bugs don't eat them.
Her tips are genius. I've just started doing mine and
it's changed my life. Whoever said orange is a new
(00:55):
pink with seriously disturved.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Laurels spraying groundbreaking?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Oh my god, you.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Have to do it. You live for fashion. Hello, and
welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that solves fashion
problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Handle and every
week I sit down with an expert who helps us
work out how to get more out of the clothes
we already own and tells us what is and isn't
worth adding to our wardrobes. So we're at that kind
of weird in between time of the year where we're
(01:21):
done with vering. While I went to clothes, we want
to get excited for summers springs. Here is it here,
and then it's cold, and then it's warm. But generally
we don't always have enough wardrobe space to really see
and wear all our clothes. So do we do a
seasonal rotation? I kind of thought that was what people
did in the movies. I sometimes put a few jackets
(01:42):
and fancy dresses away, But there are so many benefits
to doing a seasonal wardrobe rotation. More storage for the
season you're actually wearing, more space in your wardrobe to
see and store the things you're gonna wear that season,
and also the opportunity to have a look at what
you've got and what you might want to pass on
or resell. So joining me today is nicolberneithen Hines. She
(02:03):
is one of my favorite guests. She has been on
the show five times, including this, and she's going to
tell us, how to rotate our wardrobe, what to store,
and how to stop mold and little moss eating our things?
Nicole Master of Everything, my favorite guest, welcome back, this
is your fifth time? Or nothing to wear? Oh so
that shows that maybe I do play favorites. So I
(02:24):
don't have any more intro questions for people that have
been on five times. But last time you're on, you're
about to finish your reno, you close was somewhere else
your wardrobe wasn't ready? Yeah, where did we land?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Look, we've moved in. We thought we had a lot
more space than we did.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Okay, and what does that mean for your wardrobe?
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Well, half it's in storage, okay, like in a completely
different location. Story.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Oh, not somewhere else in the house.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
No, Well, actually there's a rack up in the roof
that has like you know what we can talk about later.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, seasonal crossover.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah, but I've also got, you know, the things that
I just can't possibly part with.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah, like the archive all gowns.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, well youe't perfect for this, and I'm so sorry
to hear that.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
It's really annoying. I go, oh that tweet coat?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yes, yeah, right, And it's always just as life goes on,
kind of get more storage. But anyway, you're the perfect
person to talk to. So today we're talking seasonal wardrobe rotation.
Do people really do this? Do you think in your opinion?
I wonder how many people do this and what's the
purpose of doing it? And now I know you do
it because he has to, but talk to me about that.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
I think most I mean, some people are lucky and
they've got enormous cupboards and they can have everything hanging
all the time. But most of us, I think, are
a little limited. And plus we all probably over purchase.
So it really does make sense to have like a
winter and a summer and rotate them. Yes, and then
(03:50):
there's ways around that. I've always done that, even when
I had a much bigger house and much more storage. Yeah,
I've always done it.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Wow, So that you can then, you know, less clutter
less mental and you can focus because you're not going
to really need that tiny summer dress when correct? Correct?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I mean obviously we go on holidays mid season, and
that is a bit of a spanner in the works.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yes, you can work your way around that.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Okay, So when I think of doing this, and I
kind of semi do it, but as you know, I'm
very unorganized, so whether or not I'm doing it right,
I think jackets away maybe heaving its tine, it'll summer
things out and vice versa. But are we assessing our
whole wardrobe in your opinion? Do we assess our whole
wardrobe twice yearly?
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I think we kind of do. There are, obviously, in
between things that you'll always come to, like shirts which
are all year round, and really skimpy things you won't.
They're the things that you probably they're there in the
high summer but not there in the winter.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I guess it's also based on where you live and
if it gets super cold and they're hot or that's true. Yeah, true, Okay,
But do you kind of do most most things? Yeah,
I guess I at least assess them and go sort of.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
I mean, you know, for example, in the winter, I
don't need a summer struppy shoe.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yes, shoes is a good idea because I don't have
a good shoes.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I mean everything, I've just I've got too many things
for the amount of space that I have, So.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I definitely want to do do it for shoes, that's
the most obvious one, not really.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
I mean the things that are really obviously, like, you know,
winter you're not going to need your sarongs and your
beach cover ups and your bikinis and your tanks and
mini shorts or whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
But I'm very light on shoe storage. So that's just
blowing my mind. Do you or do you suggest that
our listeners use this time to do a whole wardrobe
clean out or is that a different mindset?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
That's I mean, you could kill two birds with one stone,
but it could be a bit of a different mindset.
I mean, it wouldn't be harmful to when you're packing
away one season and entering into the new one to
kind of assess what you're packing away and so did
I wear that? Actually? Is it worth hanging on to?
You know, there are some things that you probably just
didn't even touch this winter. Yeah, it comes to that
(05:59):
period of time you just think, is this really something
I'm going to wear moving forward? If I didn't wear
it this season? Is it something I really want to
hang on to next season?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
So being a bit more mindful rather than just going coat.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think it's quind a good
to color a little bit, but it is you know,
the whole cleaning out your wardrobe thing is a different
mindset in theory, but why not tackle it a little
bit at a time.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, not for me. I've got too much stuff, as
you know. But the episode we did together then covered
all things care for your clothes. I still use every
single product you recommended, the washing powder, they're soap. Oh
my gosh. Yes, I've got subscriptions on Amazon, so kind
of related to that. Before we choose, you know, we've
(06:41):
chosen what we're putting into storage, do we laun to things,
do we air things out? Are we getting things dry clean?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Well?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
How do we get them ready for being put away?
So putting knits away it's imperative. We did discuss this
at length, I think last times my favorite subject.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
You make launchry sexy. So what do we do with
amid well knits?
Speaker 4 (07:00):
You've absolutely one. If you've worn it this season, you
absolutely have to wash it. Even if you wore it once,
you've still got to wash it. And then you've really
got to concentrate like it might look not dirty, like
you might look at it and go, oh, there's no
you know, spilk coffee on it or whatever.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yes, I had a t shirt on underneath you. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
No, the moss will eat the so where it sits
on your skin, like the body oils and sweat and
things like that that you don't even see they're invisible.
The moss will go for that, oh learn, and especially
around the cuffs where it collects a bit of dirt.
I just pulled out one of my really favorite mits
the other day that it's all like eaten around the
edge of the cuff. That explains so much.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Okay, we're going to get into how to actually store
like I mean storage solutions.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Silk.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Is that the same because it's natural?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Like it?
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Do we have to be really careful of natural fibers
because little pritters.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Like do you know what, I've never had a moth
eat a silk thing? Okay? Is that a thing? Has
that happened to you?
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Who knows? With me? I think it's because I've put
it in the wash and just said go with God,
and I hope it comes out. But I don't.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
I mean, in theory, you should really wash everything before
you store it. Yeah, okay, and then when you pull
things in that's another story we can.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, okay, good, So say we've got some beautiful structured blazers,
which you've told me before you really can't do it way.
You've got a dry clean. So we've dry cleaned it
and it's ready for storage. We're not allowed to leave
it in that plastic bag, are we well?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
So they say, because it keeps some moisture in. But
I guess it depends what climate you're in. Okay, if
you're in a dry climate, I don't see there's a
problem with that, But if you're in a queenslandy humid
then yeah, that could be probably.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Get a lot of mold, yeah, and we glo warming
it's hotter everywhere.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I don't like them anyway. They feel funny, and I
don't like the little hangar. I take our own hangers now.
So we also did a fabric deep dive, which was fascinating.
You had to love to download your brain into mine.
So when it comes to our clothes, do we consider
what fabric they're made of when we work out how
to store them? For example, I think I would get
in trouble if I hung a knit.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Oh, you definitely can't hang a knit. They have to
be folded, okay, and they need to be obviously washed,
dried and stored with you know, lavender bags. I prefer
the lavender smell.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
To them, like the little you know you get them
when you get a new handbag, like there's a moisturebs
orbery type thing or just a can get.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Well you can get these little leavender things. I get
a friend bring them back from the UK.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
And they're like actual leavender like almost like what pot
pai used to be in a little bag.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
No, they're like a tablet that are lavender flavored. But
anyway they keep the bugs away.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Oh wow, that's so clever. I thought it was just
so it smelt nice when you got there.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
No, well they just smell better than camphor and cedar,
I think when you pull them out. I mean, I
just don't want to take any risk because I can't
tell you how many cashmere casualtieth I've had.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, when you say camper and all that, that's that
kind of I don't want to be ages. But like
old persons. Yeah, you know, thrift store smell. Why does
it happen?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Have you ever smelled a camphor tree?
Speaker 1 (09:47):
No? But what what is that?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Like?
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I don't even know what?
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Okay, so care is a tree? It's actually a noxious
weed in Australia. You see when you meant to pull
them out. Oh, I had one in my garden, so
I know a whole lot about them because it was
too big to pull out anyway.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
So people put in camp for products with their clothes.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Yeah, they camped for balls, So that's moth balls are
actually camp for balls.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Oh my gosh, You've blown my mind. And that's probably
why we don't see it so much. So it's like
we're like old people's clothes. It not like that because
it's a thing done in the past.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
Well yeah, I mean you still can buy them readily.
They're pretty the standard mothballs like camphor balls.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
And obviously camper is like moss. Don't like camper, no, allegedly.
But I've done I've done mothballs. You tried it.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Those moths there really? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:30):
And those fishy things. Is that the same?
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I think that's the same. But you know, I've never
and I have had so many nits eaten. I've never
seen a discarded like a shell or a dead I've
seen anyone, or a pooh or anything like teeny.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Tiny little silver robots.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
Right, okay, never seen one, And yet so many of
my things have been eaten. You'd learn the hard way
about the washings.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Because I know you're such a big advocate and a
big lover of mostly natural fabrics. But say we're storing
some polyester rayon. Don't get mad at me. More synthetic
they tend to be more durable.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Yes, I don't think bugs like No, But if you
store a polyist or something long term and you haven't
cleaned it, that stain will become something that you can
never get rid of. It kind of goes deeper and
darker and yellower.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
And I've made that mistake buying thrifted things thinking I
can get that out, but no, no, okay, so make
sure everything's super clean, yes, I think so. Yeah, talk
to me about mold and how much you know about mold, mold,
loved leather and sweet.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Yeah, it does. It does. Like in the more natural things,
it's really it's tricky to get rid of as well.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Totally. I've gone to the point of just throwing out
one of my most favorite handbags because it was literally
like it looked like there was a tree. I stored
it up in my wardrobe in its canvas bag, but
there was just no air circulating cramped too much.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
I think if you've got too much stuff around it around,
you're kind of screwed. Okay, but you know people say,
keep those little sachets, you know, if your vitamin bottles.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, I buy them in bulk off Amazon.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Oh you can buy them in Bold. Hey you yes,
because I just recycle mine out of my well, I do.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
That what our house, thankfully. My wardrobes upstairs, but downstairs
the spare room and the home office are a heritage original,
even though we've done you know, little things, but those
if it's a raining a lot like it has been
recently in Sydney, those two wardrobes are really prone to mold.
And not that I really care that much, but I
feel a bit sorry for my husband. But he's had
(12:30):
a lot of issues this winter. So I've bought the
big things that you refeel like hanging things, and then
I've got lots of little things for his draws, so
they helped. I don't know. I haven't checked. It's not
my course, but I guess you want to check where
you're storing things which will get too soon, because you know,
if that's a damp area and it's a longer period
of time. So we want to be sustainable and we
(12:59):
want to minimize landfill. So we're obviously storing stuff we
love and we'll wear later. So how do we make
sure we're doing that? Is it those vacuum bags? Is
it tubs? How would you recommend? How do you personally
do it?
Speaker 4 (13:14):
So personally I sought through. So maybe mid spring, I'll
you know, because there's always that period in the early
spring or early well earlier. It's actually always hot, isn't it, yes,
where you sort of get those throwbacks to winter and suddenly,
all of a sudden, it's ten degrees and it's.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
A false start. Yeah, you don't want to put everything.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
You don't want to put everything away, but you could
probably start transitioning if you wanted to. If you don't
want to, you know, you just want to do it
in one go, then just wait until mid spring.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
The idea of doing in stages like your big puff,
really that can go.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
You could do your big things. It's just annoying though
you might have to reaccess the things. You know, like,
for example, you've got your tubs if that's what you're
going to use, and you keep them in a really
hard to access so do you really want to pull
them down out of the cup again, I would just yeah,
maybe not, maybe just do it all in one go.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
But and are you a tub? Are you a vacuum bag? Home?
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Every thing? So the bulky things, I'll do the vacuum bags.
So puffer jackets, knits, I'll vacuum those. But the one
thing that I've always used, and I really like them
because you can see everything of those, you know those
bags that you get more recycling in those bags. You
get pillows and blankets and things when you buy them,
and they're zipper all the way around. Oh my god,
(14:31):
you can see everything in them and they're zipper, so
they're really easy to open and close, like those vacuum
bags are kind of harder to access.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yes, I agree, And then you're like is it worth?
Speaker 4 (14:41):
And then I've got to pull the vacuum out and
do it all over again. I actually quite like those bags,
and I always keep them whenever I get one, or
you know that's big borrow and steal them off.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Friends say, if you don't want that bag, I haven't
throw it out. I've even got a zipper on all.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I know. They're really good, those bags, and they're thick,
clear plastics so you can really see into properly. I
really like those, and I just label them on the inside.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
That's what I was going to ask. So do you
write like a little list and put it on the
inside of it? Pretty much?
Speaker 4 (15:07):
So it might be you know, tanks, short swim suits
or whatever. Like I obviously keep all the high summer
things together and all the high winter things that will
just be knits or you know, lingerie that I'm probably
never gonna wear it, stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
It's just for memories. Is there anything we can't fold? Like,
do we have to hang anything? I guess like gowns.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Gowns. Yeah, you probably need to have that many downs.
I mean it's really hard because you've got to have
the hanging space.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, and that's usually what you're freeing you need to
free up.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Yeah, that's exactly right. So you just have to make
a call really. I mean, if it's a gown, well
maybe you have to put it in a bag and
steem it when the time comes.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I had an idea when I knew I was going
to talk to you, because we have quite a lot
of luggage, like suitcases and which we kind of layer
them in but there's some random ones. Do you think
you could use a suitcase as storage? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (15:57):
I actually have well in my other storage facility, I
home suitcases that I've also labeled.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yes, because it's you know, luggage and suitcases is so
annoying to store anyway, so you may as well come
to Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Well, actually I tend to use the suitcases I'm never
going to use again because they're just they're easy to stack.
You can put them on top of each other, yeah, clever,
and they're bigger than tubs generally, and easier to haul around.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yes, if you've got a garage that's you know, down
the back of the yard or like you say, you're
in another spot, you can get the whole suitcase and.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Yeah it's on wheels or whatever. Yeah, I find them
a bit easier. But if it's if it's going to
the top of your cupboage and you're only gonna you know,
you need a ladder to get it down or whatever,
then those tubs are good. But I put those vacuum
bags in those tubs, and I label the tubs so
then you know one tub is high summer and it's
(16:48):
you know, tanks, shorts, yeah, swim.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Whatever, that's clever. I've got a few of those vacuum
I've got a lot of them, but I use them
sometimes for linen. I've got them for some hand me
downs that my son hasn't grown into yet. But then
they get all slippery and don't stack nicely, or they
pop open, and then.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
It's like I do they pop over? Those things? You
kind of go to it and all the airs come
into them and you're like, yes, what happened. That's why
those others if you bags are kind of good.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Okay, I'm going to put my vacuum bags into tubs.
That feels nice and neater. It can be a bit
more of a jig saw Ginger. Yeah, it's a bit easier,
says me. He's probably never going to do this. So
you mentioned unpredictability of weather. I always get false start,
even though I start wearing sandals about now, what are
the items that you suggest that probably most people have?
All you have that you can really kind of keep
(17:31):
out for ever, like a trench, so lightweight so midweight
things are probably all year round, like a trench, I
mean t shirts.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I don't ever pack them away. Oh no, I would cry,
but I do pack away long sleeve T shirts when
it's someone Yeah, I can never wear those. Yeah, but
I'll wear a short sleeve T shirt all year round.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
So if you think doing this all in one is overwhelming,
there are benefits to maybe doing it in stages.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Yeah, you could do it in stages. But again, it
just depends on where you're going to put those boxes.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah, okay, so some of yours are in the roof.
We've all got limited space. What are some commonplaces you've
heard of people putting their off season O.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Look, mostly it's just sort of tops of cupboards. Yeah,
you know parents' cupboards.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yes, we've got one of those lift up bed thingies
like that. Good, But my husband won't let me use
it for clothes because he's got his silly vintage squash
racket collection. But he wants to put on the wall,
but I'll never let him. So I'm like, we're never
using that, not that i'll never let him, but those
I think him.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
That sounds like a really bad idea.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
No, But if you're ever moving or setting up home
or getting new furniture, I think even from ten years ago,
there's so much amazing furniture with storage, because obviously living
spaces are getting smaller, so try and get it to
for one, if you can, even like I just got
a little ottoman it's roughly that size to sit at
my little makeup thing. And that's storage. Oh wow, I
know I put my clothes in there. But there's storage
(18:57):
in places you don't know theirs storage. Yeah, they're definitely,
but think about practicalative if you need to access or yeah,
if you're up high in a suit, it's a suitcase
if it falls on you, yeah, yeah, and you can't
be guaranteed someone's going to be around to help you
that thing down there. Yes, because it's for you to
have that dress for them.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
And also I would say because I did, I did
do that once made that mistake of getting a tub
that's too big. Yes, And yeah, once you stack in those,
especially if you use the vacuum bags, those boxes can
become quite heavy.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Yeah, I agree. I think like a thirty leader is good.
Can you tell that I've.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Sort of pressed leaders my top side.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I learned the hard way because I'm an online orderer,
and I was like, those tubs are pretty, and then
they came and they were like big lunch boxes. Oh
oh my god. And then when I looked at some
other tubs that I have at home, and they're kind
of they're about that. So because I also do it
for beauty products and things, you know, with my work,
but anything sort of bigger than that, if you're filling
it with heavy things.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
You just can't get them downe. And then you kind
of look at it go, yeah, I'm not going to
get that downe agreed.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Or some of them have wheels. Also, a good tip
is there are a lot on Marketplace from you know,
businesses that have shut down, you know, because if you
are just for moving or anything, they can be you know,
ten bucks a tab.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah. So there's a a lot of almost never used
ones on Facebook because I'm buying all the gear and
now I'm asking you so I have an idea of
how to do this, okay, And if anyone needs some lunchboxes,
I've got heaps. Okay, So we're doing the actual switcherou
So do you get out the season we're about to
go into, dump that all somewhere and then use those
tubs like yes, swap like that? Okay, okay aye, that's
(20:32):
overwhelming to me.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And I mean if you've got enough space that you
can tub right, but generally it has to be a
direct switch because that you've got limited.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Space sort of.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
But then, and this is probably something that I should
be doing.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I know.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Sometimes I go, yeah, I'm going to pull out those
long sleeves, but maybe not those long seas and then
I've got some in some out. Yes, but that's probably
a message to me to go, you're probably never going
to wear them.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, that would be the time to say that's wardrobe
clean out time you go, actually, because you could do
a bit of a stock take as you go. Yes,
you could.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Yeah, it's probably a good idea, and I should probably
do that. Coming to the next season.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Yes, because you haven't done your spring yet, no, god, no, no, no,
I mean it's in here. It's hard though, because the
spring summer, the first spring drops hit stores in August
and you get so excited for a new season, and
then you don't want to wear what you've been wearing
all winter. But the weather's like I'm sorry, I'm not
ready yet. No yeah, okay, so ignore what's on in
the stores and just listen to the weather. Yeah okay.
(21:32):
This sounds like a boring and overwhelming process to a
lot of people. Me included, but so helpful. Is there
anywhere to make it fun?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Well, you could play some fun music.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
You know what I've started to do, and I'm doing
any sort of tarting up or whatever. In my wardrobe,
I reach for and look at the things that bring
me joy first, not the stuff that I think, Oh,
I don't know if I like you, I feel guilty
for buying you, or because then you're in a mindset
of like, oh, I don't know what to do with that.
But if you kind of pull out stuff that brings
you joy, so that could maybe for this be the
things you might wear all year round, or you just
(22:04):
want to look out or whatever. I feel like that
starts me in a happier mindset. Then this is hard
and overwhelming.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
No, I think, well, maybe to prevent hard and overwhelmings,
just to kind of do one to say, I'm going
to tackle yesops, or I'm going to tackle denim. So
I know you wear denim all year round, but I
will never wear denim in high summer.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Why because it's hot.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
I don't understand how people do denim in like January.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Oh my gosh, I I it sounds like you don't
brush your teeth to me. I know you know how
much I love my jeans. I know you how well
I know.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
So they're the things that denim is one of the
things I put away.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, and I could. I probably obviously reach for it less.
And there's certain cuts and weights of denim that I
definitely would wear winter, but not definitely not summer. So
I couldn't. You could even partially do an area, Yeah
you could.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
I mean it depends. And I know you've got a
lot of denim so that you could.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Clear a lot of it's a clean out.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Oh, very good. So what you got forty instead of
eighty twenty instead.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Of no, no, no, closer to that first one. So we're
doing the switcheroo and we've realized, actually, I'm not going
to wear that. There's some of your long sleeve tops.
You know. I often find this with like sometimes shoes
that have harlet been worn. Although that's why I don't
rotate them. That's why I don't have space because I'm
keeping shoes because they were you know a couple of
(23:20):
more advances. Yeah, So say throughout this process, you go, Okay,
these things aren't getting rotated anymore. They're geting rotated out
of my life? What would you do with them?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
So selling them is going to be tricky because I'm
let's just say we're mid spring and we're putting away
our winter things. You're not going to sell a high
winter thing in.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, maybe when you're doing the switcheroo you make it
sell maybe and then going into that season. Yes, you
could do a diary. You could do that, you know,
that's that's a good point. See, I would sort of.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Go, oh, put it on eBay and then I just
you'll just sit there and sit there and sit there,
and then I'll just go I'm just going to put
it in there.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
You're very realistic, that's the bit.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Maybe if it was in a separate place or yeah,
I think that's a good idea. If you've got space
and you had a tub and you could sell it. Yeah,
it is a beautiful quality in it that you haven't
worn much or a coat. It's worth yeah, yeah, it
is and you want to go back out into the world.
But you're right, people aren't sitting on Facebook, Marketplace or
anything right now looking for really, I mean, not by
(24:25):
someone's old bikini, you know what I mean. Yeah, Yeah,
you've got to think of other people's mindset. Yeah, okay,
I'm going to I'm gonna no, I don't need any
more tablets. But that's true because oftentimes that's when I
stop the process because I'm like, well, I won't wear it,
but I don't know what to do with it, and
then I just leave. Yeah, okay, so sections and put
notes in your diary. That's what my point.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Otherwise, I think notes in diaries is a good idea.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, especially when a new season comes and hit stores
and you get so excited, but you haven't got out
that stuff yet, and then you buy things and you
get that out and you're like, oh, yeah, got similar.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Yeah, and then when you pull out the old things
that you're rotating in, maybe you can relook at those
and think, can I give these new life?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yes, I love that.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
I think I need a buddy for this, and a
lot of people I know to a buddy system. It
does help because that would be good. Yeah, and you
and oftentimes even afterwards we do it at mamam. You're
a slopping party, you know, so maybe after everyone's on
their spring clean, you could then get your friends or whatever.
I've got a really great WhatsApp group with school mum.
So there's ways to make it fun.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, it's very expensive, how wonder.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Okay, Bougie and budget, So we can either do something
that we've got out of rotation a million times, so
it's obviously been worth it. You know, each spring or
autumn we go, oh, I love you, I missed you.
I can't wait to wear you again. Or it could
be something storage related, So let's start with your budget.
What would your budget be.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Well, I think it's great to have things that will
protect your things in storage. So the little lavender moth
repellent thing is okay.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
And we can't get your exact ones because they're see well,
she should start a little side hulf of the there's
lots of similar ones online. Yeah there should be some, okay,
well link some of the show notes I order some
of those. Mine are the backbags because I first started
using them actually for travel, because I like to shop
a lot. But then I realized when I'm away, depending
(26:28):
on where I'm going, but then I realized the suitcase
still weighs a lot, even if you can fit a
lot in it, So now I use them mostly at home.
I get ones from Amazon. The brand's called Warmy and
you get a sixteen pack vacuum bags, like sixteen bags,
and then you get a little travel yes vacuum because.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
I know on my Instagram and you can charge the
little well yes on your phone charger.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Or it's got an international thing whiche a country? How good?
Because I mean everyone has a vacum, but what I
meant was mine's like a stick or a robot. Yes,
so that's really good. And then you can buy from
warming because you don't need a lot of those vacuums.
You can then just buy a set of like ten
small bags or that's the brand W A R M. I.
So the pack of sixteen bags and the little electric
(27:10):
which looks like a little water filter or something. Thirty
three bucks. They're so good.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
And is that from Amazon? Yes? I love that.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I know I would be doing that.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Oh all right, bougie, you're the queen of sustainability and
you know quality and wearing things time lesslie, So what's
something that you've pulled in and out, you know, once
a year and gone, oh I love you.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
I haven't started to wear you actually have two really
beautiful Max Mara coats that there's just no way I
could ever get rid of them. My people who've got
loads of money and buy lots of Max Marow coats.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I don't know what they do with the wall because
they're quite bulky. Yes they are, but they're just beautiful,
beautiful Pamela.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
No, I've actually got a tweed one that's really like
it's got and it's got like a button off quilted lining,
so it's super warm. I we used to wear it
when I like shot in New York and Paris and
stuff in January when it was.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Like, wow, my god, I would wear a unicor so stylish.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
And I've got another one that's like a beautiful musty
pink that you can sort of stroke. It's got like
this almost got long hair.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Oh wow. And it does go to show, you know,
when we do do a bougie or you invest in
something if you care for it, well, well have you
had those for ten years?
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Oh fifteen?
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Amazing? See that's it. It's like store it, well, love it,
look after it, and it was so worth the money
in the first place. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Yeah, they're pretty beautiful, really lucks. I always get complimented
when I wear them.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
So my bougie is expensive storage I don't know if
I've spoken about it on the show before. I've definitely
mentioned the brand. It's an aussy Sydney based business, Sagotine.
Have you seen their stuff? Okay, well, maybe I have
beware of the price. I got it at twenty percent off,
but it was still very expensive. But I'm going to
explain why it's worth it. So they sell individual sort
(28:52):
of shoe boxes, but they're these beautiful curved with a
little leather flappy handle thing, so you can stack them places.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
I think I have seen that.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
You can buy the frame, which is like this beautiful
timber frame and you can fit eight or ten. So
the one that I've got the eight, and it probably
is about that tall, so it could be a bedside
depending how tall you bed is, or just a little
side table. That's one thousand and forty dollars for the
side table and the boxes. However, I got it at
twenty percent off, And what I love about it is
(29:21):
because it's literally mostly stored for them beautiful like I've
got a lamp and a candle and a book and
all that jazz on it. But then each box you
don't have to just put I don't put shoes in them.
You can get little inserts that are fee sunglasses or
your wallets or jewelry or for me, I've got like
a lot of those little like wrap up tote bags
that scrunch down to nothing for travel. I've just got
(29:42):
all those bits and bobs that you don't know what
to do with. But a wardrobe essentials you can put
anything in them. But you can buy the boxes individually
if you don't want the whole thing. I nearly died
when I bought it and now and everyone that sees
it because it's you know, you can get lie like
I can get red boxes. You can mix and match
the colored boxes. So love that. You know, a statement piece,
an expensive piece, but the quality is phenomenal. And if
(30:03):
you happen to accidentally trash one of the boxes like
I did, like I let something leak in it, you're
not ruining a whole piece of pone it. Do you
just replace the box?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
How good?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I love it? Oh my gosh, I'm just looking at
it now. Yeah, there's lots of different colors. That is
very They're beautiful. They're beautiful. My husband wanted to steal it,
but no. But if you're in the market for very
expensive storage.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Oh I loved that. Well, it's probably there's probably more
expensive stories.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Oh there, trust me, there absolutely so that could be
a bargain. That's it too for one. Nicole, I love you,
I want you to come on over all my life.
You're so phenomenal. Thank you for joining us, and now
we're all going to golf and sort out our spring cleaning.
Me too, Thank you so much for joining me for
Nothing to Wear, don't forget on Instagram and YouTube. You
(30:46):
can find us at Nothing to Wear Pod. See you
next week.
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CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist
It’s 1996 in rural North Carolina, and an oddball crew makes history when they pull off America’s third largest cash heist. But it’s all downhill from there. Join host Johnny Knoxville as he unspools a wild and woolly tale about a group of regular ‘ol folks who risked it all for a chance at a better life. CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist answers the question: what would you do with 17.3 million dollars? The answer includes diamond rings, mansions, velvet Elvis paintings, plus a run for the border, murder-for-hire-plots, and FBI busts.