October 1, 2025 • 26 mins
Think tracking your wardrobe sounds like a nightmare? Think again. This week, Leigh's chatting with Sydney-based stylist Jamie-Lee Burns, who has been logging every single item she owns and wears for over a decade—and it's completely transformed how she shops and gets dressed.
Jamie's sharing her genius system for turning wardrobe chaos into data-driven style decisions. She's using apps like Indyx to track cost-per-wear, her Saint Agni boots? 25 wears in three months!
She breaks down her foolproof 30-day shopping rule that stops impulse purchases in their tracks, reveals why she uses ChatGPT to create flat-lay images for vintage pieces, and explains how "social styling" lets strangers play dress-up with your digital wardrobe.
EVERYTHING MENTIONED:
Leigh's Budget: Cremme Classic T-Shirt V2 - White $69.00
Jamie-Lee's Budget: H&M Wide Ultra High Jeans $49.99
Leigh's Boujie: Eden Mocha Leather Shoulder Bag $329.00
Jamie-Lee's Boujie: Aeyde Judi Suede Pumps $680.00
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges
the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast
is recorded on Happy Thursday. Ubis. It's Lee here and
I want to tell you about an amazing episode of
Nothing to Wear. I recently spoke to Jamie Lee Burns
and she revolutionized how I get dressed. She's all about data.
(00:34):
I know that sounds really boring, but trust me, as
someone who hates data and admin, I have taken on
her genius tips and now I have not been more
excited to get dressed in the morning. Have a listen.
Whoever said orange is a new pink with seriously disturbed
laurels spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god, you have to do it.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
You live for fashion.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Hello and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that
solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. Each week,
I sit down with an expert who helps us work
out how to get more out of the clothes you
already own and tells us what is and isn't worth
adding to wardrobe. This week is exactly that. I am
joined by Jamie Lee. She is a Sydney based stylist.
(01:17):
One of my favorite channels to follow on Instagram. She's
the exact opposite of me. She is a data nerd
and for over a decade she has been logging every
single item she buys or owns and when she wears it,
and from there she's got this amazing visual library of
all her clothes, including everything she wears, the most stuff
she doesn't really wear, so then she can sell it
and everything in between. So let's chat to Jamie about
(01:40):
how she keeps this data and why she does it
and why I am about to try and do the same.
Jamie Lee, my Instagram friend, Welcome to Nothing to Wear.
Before we get into the topic, which I've been begging
you to come on because it's fascinating, there's two questions
I ask everyone their first time on the show. So
the first one is can you describe your style in
three words? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So I actually was having a bit of a think
about this, and I would say feminine, polish, and undone.
There's always kind of a layer of each of those,
and most of my outfits all of them.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yes, Because when you say feminem, I'm like no, But
when you add them all together, it's an equation.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, I'm done.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
But the coolest like sheke, I'm done. I look at
you and I'm like on Instagram and I'm like, I'm
in my disgusting cam up tracksuit pants that are my favorites.
But I know Instagram's not everything. I love those three
words together.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
In Instagram versus real life.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, and I loved that those three words, like you
need all three to create the picture. Okay. Lots of
people wear a really small amount or a smaller amount
of their wardrobe more than the rest. So the ninety
ten roll or some people say eighty twenty, but the
smaller amount that they wear the most. And I guess
this is kind of what this whole topic's about. So
(02:51):
we don't want to give too much away, but what's
in your most reached for?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Okay, So I was having to look at what I
wear all the time because I'm a data nerd, and
I would say tailored trousers because they had that nice polish,
a really good pair of jeans, some sort of a
shoe that's comfortable but also has a bit of a lifted,
refined feel.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Or quirky. You have cool like quirky, but like still classic.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Quirky, like the Tory birch PSCs.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
And like the boots you're wearing, like sculptural heel, Yeah,
a little bit different. Yeah, okay, so that's what you
reach for most.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, I mean kind of those essentials most people tend
to happ in their wardrobes. But I would just say
versions that feel more like myself rather than what you
might find on a capsule wardrobe template.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yes, but yes, that's a very good point. I feel
like we're all over that capsual wardrobe. Okay, the topic.
I don't know if you told me in real life
because we often see each other at events, or I
saw it on Instagram or both. But you, as you said,
are a data nerd oh, I'd love to be like you.
Everything's so vibes for me, just vibes. You use your
phone to keep track of what items you're actually wearing
(03:52):
and how much, So talk us through that. What is
the app? How does it work?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
So I've actually been tracking what I wear since I
was in my early twenties, so I'm talking over a
decade at this point. I still manually using a spreadsheet
on Excel or just a piece of paper at one point. Wow,
And so now I've kind of progressed onto an app
which makes it a lot easier. So I use one
called index and I like it because of the functionality.
I'm kind of an asthete, so things have to look
(04:17):
a particular way for me to want to use it.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I can imagine your Excel spreadsheets for beautifully color coded
and oh not quite, but the cells all that matched up.
Mine looked like a kid went in and mucked up
a puzzle. So how does the app work? Do you
buy something new or you've added everything you own and
then every time you wear it you add like a tally.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, so there's a real manual process to it. You
have to kind of go in upload every single item
one by one. So you put in the brand name,
you put in the size, color, all that kind of information,
and then you can add in the price when you
bought it, if it.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Was pre owned or if it That's what I was
going to say, because I love thrifting, Can I just
do like Levi's dnim shirt, Like you don't have to
know all the info? No, you don't even have to
write a product. Yeah, so you put in just a
brand name and then you kind of track whether it's
kind of spring, summer, winter, autumn, and you also categorize
it by the type of item it is. Then that
(05:09):
way when you are looking, because you can actually view
your entire wardrobe. Is there images or can you I'll have.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
To show you, but you can see your entire your
entire wardrobe at a glance, which is really handy when
you're shopping. But yeah, that manual process and then every
day you just kind of go in and you can
log your outfit so you can make outfits up that
you can refer back to later when you've got some
free time on the couch and you just watch.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
It like that Cless thing. Remember in Clueless if anyone's
of that era where she sat down and used that maschione.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
It kind of like work. Yeah, well there are apps
that do that in tex does and but other ones do.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Wow. Yeah, oh my gosh, I saw it using notes
on my phone. Was cool. Okay, So you mentioned that
it's also visual. So where does the image come from?
Does it pull it from the internet or do you
take the photos?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
You manually need to upload the photos, so you can
either take a photo of the product itself and your
home and they do give you kind of guidelines on
how to get the best photo, or you can pull
a product image from the brand.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Website, right, so if it's new, that's a good way
to log it. So if I've got vintage of old stuff,
I can take my own photo.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
You speak could also friend similar or a really good
hag is to use chat GPT to create the image
for you. How you describe the item, or you take
a photo and you upload it and then you tell
them to create a flat late image of said item
on a white background.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Oh my gosh, you work in the future. I've taken
some photos for deep Hop and it's I guess it's
kind of similar, but it's like, you know, good lighting,
white background, steamed or blah blah blah. Okay, because I
just had a look at the app on your phone
and it's so pretty, so now I want it. So
you get dressed. You've decided, okay, this is my outfit
for the date. Do you go in then or do
you do it at night when you're usually.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
At night when I'm waiting for my daughter to fall asleep.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
What if you forget?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I go back and I often I take photos of
what I'm wearing, so I have kind of a reference,
or I usually have to kind of dig deep into
the depths of my memory to recall what I was
wearing sometimes, or I'll ask my husband.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yes, like what was I weird? Did we go to dinner?
What was I wearing? So tell me? Then? What do
you do with that info? Like monthly? Do you do
like a stock take of like Okay, I wear that
a lot, that was good cost per wear? Or why
did I buy those? I haven't worn them? Like what
do you do with the info?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
So the applin'e using does have a paid feature which
allows you to access all of those insights, and currently
they don't allow you to do it buy a specific
date range, but rather the last month, last three months,
six months, year, and then all time, so you can
kind of go back in and you can see what
you didn't wear a single time over that previous month,
but also you get a visual catalog or diary of
(07:36):
what you wore every single day for that month, so
you can see patterns emerging, Like I use someone who
is really only wearing a specific kind of pant. Do
you like to wear dark colors on your lower half
or on your upper half? Is there specific types of
shoes that you're pairing with certain types of pants?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
You know I want to. I desperately want to do this,
but I just like, I just could never. But it
would help so much because I'm thinking, if you're going shopping,
you can go in there and go, oh no, I
mean those black pants are great, but actually no, I
don't need those. Whereas I go, I think I've only
got one pair of black pants I like, and then
I get high and I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, and
I go, hi, all you black pants that I forgot about.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah. I get tunnel visions sometimes as well. So it's
a great way to ground myself and come back to earth.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
That is phenomenal. Okay, we'll do more about that later.
But from your data and your app, and you're the
way I wish I was. What items are you wearing
the most? Is there any unexpected?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I feel like I need to actually refer to my
Oh please do so.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I want this app, but I don't know how I
would go back and do it all.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
It's well, you can start from now.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Face after a wardrobe clean out would be a good
time to do this at the end.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Actually, a trick for if you are doing any of
these apps is to just log things as you wear them,
because then it feels so.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Much less daunting, and if you haven't worn it, by default,
it's not on the list. So then you can do
your ordrobe cleanup and go, you've never been on my
list see later.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, yeah, that makes it so much more approachable.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I'm doing it.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
So you've got three hundred things or more in your wardrobe,
the idea of putting all of those into an app at.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Once, and because we're ten percent, that's good, you know,
out with that. Okay, so tell me what do you
wear the most. It doesn't have to be the exact item,
but black jeans like you're wearing, or.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Well, okay, so it's winter right now, so some sort
of locial boot like the ones I've got on now,
or my current most worn are from Saint Agne and
I think I've worn them twenty five times since I
bought them two months ago through, which is pretty good.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Very Oh my gosh. I'd be like, Tick, you're a
good person. You can go shopping and get.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
A trap, especially because I've got a good rotation of
items in my wardrobe, either a small crossbody bag or
like a larger shoulder bag. I'm kind of all or
nothing when it comes to that, really slouchy kind of knitwear.
I splosed to see if it was worth it on
the Aphelias sweater from the Row, and so I've made
a point of trying to actually get my cosper wear
(09:54):
out of it because and so far, so good. I've
worn it fifteen times in the last few months, which
I think is pretty.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Decent, amazing. And next winter, you know, it's the Roe
and the winter after and yeah, forever and ever and ever.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Also, just like a good quality belt, so I've led
the that I've worn over one hundred, probably over two
hundred times at this point. And dark colored jeans. I
really like a wash black jean.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Okay, shape, I'm not that. I'm not that bothered.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
No, I'm not that bothered.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Look, I'm back into almost skinny straight.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I actually like that silhouette. And I think I think
the skinny has a bad rap. It's all about styling
of proportions. But I think the slim some strait is
really flattering.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
And these is so old. If I were you and
had this app for you know, the data from so
long ago, I could see that I wore them last
probably four years ago. But now they're back.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Wow, that's fascinating. Okay, so what do you do when
you look in there and then there's stuff that you
haven't really worn much and you're like, oh, okay, I
obviously don't reach for those things. What do you do then?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
So I actually use that as a prompt to go,
I want to wear this. I want to make the
most of what I have in my wardrobe. So to me,
it's actually a tool with a challenge. Yeah, so I go, okay, well,
I won't been wearing this. I want to bring it
into rotation and actually allows me to wear a larger
percentage of my wardrobe more frequently than I would otherwise.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, because if you, well, I don't know about you,
but for me, if I don't, I can't see it,
I don't reach for it.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah. And also you default to the same things all
the time, so that's a great way to kind of
increase that variety and your styling.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
So what patterns are you picking up or how can
everybody use this to work out kind of colors and
more than just the items themselves or the outfits you've made,
but I guess working out your personal style colors, textures, cuts.
Do you use it to look at things like that.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Probably less so for that, I more like to see
trends in the specific types of items that I'm reaching for,
and also I suppose to trends in how I'm wearing
my clothing, because I can see even just in the
evolution of my own style that previously I opted a
lot more for like overly feminine pieces, a lot more Josses,
and in the summer time I would really default a
(12:01):
lot to denim shorts. But since maybe the last year
or two, I've started wearing cotton pants in the summertime,
and that's something I can see just from looking at
my styling and the app.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, right, Okay, I feel like because I'm quite neutral,
I'd say you're quite classically neutral. I'm quite neutral. But
I do have some color that I have, but I
don't know how to wear it. But if I've logged
it all then I can kind of see. Actually, I
do have quite a few green things. I could do
color blocking, or I could try that green with that lilac,
which I would never think here, but you can see
(12:32):
it in the app.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, because you can also filter by color as well,
so you can kind of get an overview of all
of the things you have in one color palette, but
you do have that freedom and that flexibility to just
build outfits and play around. So if you have something
you're really struggling to style, having that kind of visual
representation can help. I mean, it always translates differently in
real life, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
But at least try it, especially if you're out about
because sometimes I think, what am I going to wear
to that event tonight and I've got to rush home
and get ready, but I can't see my wardrobe. But
if it's on my phone, you're a genius. Okay, I'm
a massive Pinterest fan. I don't know about you, but
do use Pinterest to inspire you? Or are there other websites, platforms,
blogs that you look at for inspiration and then kind
of refer to your data to see if you've got
(13:15):
similar items, or do you do any other sort of
research that way.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
So I don't know about you, but I actually find
Pinterest now as eighty percent ads. It is not very
user friendly anything. I kind of browse through and I go, okay,
where where is what I'm actually looking for a lot
of ads. Yeah, so I don't use it as a
tool as much as I used to in the past,
I think these days instead, I'm more so inspired by
silhouettes or even just e commerce styling. So oh wow,
(13:40):
like on websites you'll have a look at Yeah, okay,
you can get some great ideas, and not only that,
just what you see in fashion weeks. So those kind
of trends trickling through. There are easy ways that you
can co opt those trends into your own styling that
maybe don't require any shopping.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So you see some street style, you know, Copenhagen Fashion
Week was a few weeks ago. Now you see some
stuff on Instagram. Do you then use that inspo to
go back into your data and think, oh, I would
have never thought to mix a skirt like that with
a blazer like that, and I've got similar.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
That's definitely a great way you can use it and
index in particular, do this thing called social styling, so
you can let other people into your wardrobe and style you.
So I haven't open.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
More's so fun playing dress ups, but for.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Adults it's really cool. And so I've had some really great,
fantastic outfit ideas and suggestions come through just through the
social styling component, and they're ones that I never would
have thought of, like.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I got a great ones to do that for someone else,
though I can't even get myself dressed. But you know,
it's so creative, and that's cool. It is. It's a
book club for fashion.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
It's like Pollyboard.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Do you remember that.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
It's a way back when Yeah, and so I got
this great outfit idea. It was like these shorts that
I have with a knee high boot and I would
never ever pair those two things together with a fitted
long sleep and then this oversized sleeveless blazer which.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And someone went in and said you should try this.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, that is so and I tried on and I
was just I was upsetsed. So I thought, this is genius.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
It's also like video games for grown upspeacause how kids,
you know people game each other. That's so awesome. Tell
me when it's sale time, because this is where all
my logic goes out the window. You seem a bit
more measured than me, but you know there's sales on
(15:24):
and it's then extra twenty five percent off, and I go,
oh my god, and I jump on and buy things.
How do you approach data and emotions, particularly when you
know it could be a really good price, How do
you marry the two?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
So I have something called the thirty days shopping rule,
and I will say that, yes, there are always going
to be exceptions. Sometimes you see something, you have this
emotional urge to add it to your wardrobe, and if
you have the money to do so, you know, and
it's the timing's right, But I usually try and wait
at least thirty days and.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
To think about an item.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, but the sales only for three days.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
What are you going to do?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Just wait for the next one? Oh, your sir, I'm
of the belief that there's always another sala.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
It's so true, and honestly, the marketing works, and that's
why I get frantic. You know. It was click frenzy
a little while ago, and I ignored all of it.
But then I sat down at my laptop on the Monday,
and that's when all you think it's over and all
the brands go extra discount, and that's when.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I was like, oh what am I missing?
Speaker 1 (16:16):
But you're so right, there's another sale. Well there is
an Have you ever used Carted? Yes, I've only just
got cartered. You need to give us a list of
all the good apps, so explain card for people that
don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
It's a wish listing app. So you add the things
that you're thinking about buying to it, and then it
tracks when it goes on sale. So you get an
alert if it goes on sale, you get an alert
if the item restocks. Just say the items available multiple retailers.
You can link all the retailers and all tell you
if ones offering it at a better price.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
But I don't look at things before I realize I
want to buy them. I just go oh, etm oh sale.
But you know that's so clever. And then you can
watch it and maybe you get an alert and it's like, oh,
it's restocked, but it's on sale, and you actually, I
don't really want it anymore.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, and you find that waiting waiting at least you
know a week even that many of the items that
you thought you wanted to buy have slowly been filtered out.
They've been forgotten, you know, they've been lost to time.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
So because it was an emotional purchase or an impulse
purchase rather than a strategic, yeah, you need to do courses.
So say we're all a data Personara, We've started to
do this. It helps with our existing wardrobe, but then
how do we use that info going forward about purchasing.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
So I think you can see trends in terms of
what colors you're actually reaching for, so identifying the ones
that are kind of your core colors. Because we have
you can do seasonal color analysis.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
But I think we have a tech mine.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I hated mind, tried to stick with it, and then
always go.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
To the shop. So I'm like, but I like that
yellow and I'm not allowed to wear that green.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
But yes, so you can do that. But I think
we gravitate towards the colors that we really enjoy and
that make us feel good, and that's kind of what
you want to feel in your clothes. So that can
be useful tool. But you end up wearing the colors
that you like the most, so that can be one
kind of thing. It can help you identify what you
aren't wearing, so knowing I'm not going to buy that
in the future. So there's this saying like love to buy,
I hate to wear. So maybe you keep buying like
(18:06):
button up shirts like you're wearing today, but you never
wear them.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Okay, you only need a certain amount.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Well that's true, but if you're never wearing them, it's
wasted space in your wardrobe and also your time and
your budget. So that can be a great way to
kind of filter out those bad purchases.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Well for me, I mean similar to that, because I've
spoken a lot on the podcast how much I love
Chambra shirts, but I definitely don't need another one, And
so if I'm in store or at my laptop, I
can go no, Lee, You've got enough, or you know,
if you know, resell those ones you're allowed, whereas I forget.
So it's either seeing what you don't wear, not buying
(18:42):
any more of that, or realizing you have too many
of something and you don't need another one. Oh my gosh,
can I pay you to like start my I don't
know if you'll be able to answer this, but through
you know, a data lens, which you've been doing for
a really long time, do you reckon there's a kind
of general optimal number of items in our wardrobe that
kind of on average every person would have or is
(19:04):
that just too hard?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
So I feel like the perfect sized wardrobe doesn't exist
because everyone has a different lifestyle. They're doing different activities
but also live in different climates, and that's really going
to dictate the needs of your wardrobe. I've kind of
looked into hundreds of people's wardrobes and it's interesting. You
see a really big difference in the numbers. Some people
might have fifty items, whereas others have over four hundred
(19:28):
and fifty. And while maybe the ones with over four
hundred and fifty in their wardrobe aren't wearing every single
thing all the time, perhaps there are things that give
them joy of they've got sentimental value. But ultimately, at
the end of the day, we typically need less than
we think. Absolutely, yeah, you can do a lot with
a little and I mean ten items. You can easily
turn that into forty plus outfits.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Interesting to use that kind of data to, like, I
guess it would be so good for packing, because then
you can work out combinations one.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Hundred percent and you can also see how you've styled
items in the past. You've kind of got a library
and in dex of outfits to kind of go back to.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I'm most inspired to do this just for packing because
I'm always paying overweight folk because I'm like, maybe I'll
wear that ball gown. Maybe I want to be that person. No, yeah,
you need it for that es and like you said,
people might live somewhere where it's snows in winter, but
it's really hot, you know, whereas if you're from Townsville,
you probably don't need fifteen coats. Yeah, love it. Talk
to me about your YouTube series. It's called Influences Made
(20:27):
Me Buy It? What is this all about?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Okay? So I think we've all had that purchase or
maybe more than one, which we have been influenced to
buy because we've seen someone talk about it and they've
made it look so appealing, like you know, it's on
the silver platter and it just looks so shiny, and
we want to add it to our wardrobes because we
think if we buy that, it's going to be life changing.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You think it's going to solve all these problems. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
And so do you buy these items or review these items?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Or these are things I've naturally just added into my wardrobe.
And so it kind of just was birth from me
reflecting on the things that I've bought, what have been
good purchases and what have been bad ones? Because I
look back at the end of every year and I go,
what were my best purchases that I made? What were
the worst ones.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
That I obviously follow you and love your content. I
love when you do I regret these or I don't
wear these because I find that, not that it's more helpful,
but people mostly post about things they love, whereas you know,
seeing okay, that didn't work, it's like, oh okay. Firstly,
I'm human too, and secondly that's a good PSA for me.
I just think more, you know, not that we're trying
to be negative about brands. It's more so that it
just didn't work for you, and I think that there
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needs to be more of that. So I really like
that because we're all human. You've got things in your
wardrobe with tags on, I'm sure I do. I love that.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I try to wet stuff the week I buy it, but.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I'm so excited. But no, it's sometimes when you're doing
that clean out and you're like, you know, we're going
to regret it. But I think everyone does that and
you can learn from it if you clock the data.
(22:04):
It's very expensive, how wondred percent okay, Fougie and budget,
so you might actually have data on yours. I absolutely
do not, but it's something that we might be considering
and think we'll get a lot of wear out of
or new seasoned items or stuff that you've just worn
to death, hence your data. Do you want to start
(22:24):
with your boogie or your budget? My budget? Okay, let's
do your budget.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Okay. So I'm wearing them right now. They're a pair
of genes from H and M and they are the
best genes one. The quality is exceptional for the price.
I think they are fifty dollars but non sell for forty.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Wow. Yeah, I was a stay there, like I thought
they were really fancy. From here, the denim looks quite thick.
It's a beautiful black like it's not solid solid, but
it's not too washed.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
They're so good they remind me a lot of a
pair of jeens I've got from a New Zealand brand
I love called Marl.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I love mal too. Yeah, yeah, G and M. I
have some CH and M denim. Yeah, I'm gonna go
get the black.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Ones, so super underrated. And I have another pair of
genes from H and M which are great too.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So I've got the black like quite wide barrel of
course that's probably my fancy is black barrel ones, because
I don't want to do the really expensive version. Okay,
so my budget is I reflect it on my wardrobe.
Don't have data, but I love a white tea. I
live in a white tea. I have so many, but
I actually wear a lot of them, most of them,
(23:22):
and I think it's mostly because I'm messy and can
soak them and they come out quite good. With a
lot of the Uniclow ones, I'm not going to recommend
that again because listeners will be over it. But no,
but they are good and I am just so good.
I know the aerorsm one yes with a thick crew neck. However,
the other day I wore a brown T shirt and
I remembered how much I loved it, and the brand
does are white, so I'm going to get the white.
(23:45):
It's called Cream. I don't know if you know this brand.
They're two Aussy Girls Sydney bas Cre double Me unisex,
very similar to the Uniclow A beautiful thick cotton but
not not stiff. It's just feels really good quality. I
think they're about sixty nine dollars and the brown one
I love, and they're unisex, but there's two versions of
the cuts. They're very slightly different but still sort of
(24:06):
oversized classic. I do a little cuff on the sleeve,
which adds interest. I just the brown one I've trashed,
and also you can't bleach brown, so it's obviously good quality.
So I'm going to get the white one because I
just live in white teas. I've got a lot of
s damage. I often hide this, and I just feel
like it's my more elevated version of a singlet. Yeah,
bougie please?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Okay? So mine are a pair of heels from eighty
eighty is hands down one of my favorite shoe brands
because they're kind of in that mid tier price point,
so not quite luxury, but not high street. The quality
of the shoes is excellent, and they suit white feet.
I don't do uncomfortable shoes, and I like the fact
that they accommodate my feet. I can stand in them
all day.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Okay, but what's the style.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
They're a pointed toe pump from eighty. They actually already
have them in the black, and so I ordered the
chocolate swayed and they come into tan too, which is
it all tail A little bit like a low heel time, Yeah,
So it kind of gives you that left adds a
sharpness to an outfit, very cheek I've never bought anything
from the brand, but I have hearted a lot of
things on deep hops, so maybe I'll go buy some
the similar sizes. So if you sell me, let me
(25:08):
know she is here with me, because since I got her,
I have not stopped using her VISTSI the Aussie brand
does handbags.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I've got so many of their handbags. This is the
Eden Leather shoulder bag three hundred and twenty nine dollars.
I had an extremely old Oriton bag that fully zipped
shut that was just dead, and I've been looking for
one this size medium for so long and it's phenomenal.
Then there's two sections inside. Great size because then I
(25:36):
have a separate laptop bag if I'm kind of coming
to work or whatever, but just every day I still
need I don't know why I have so many things.
I just have a lot of things, and so that's
the perfect size. It's super comfy and it comes in
and swayed too. There's a bunch of colors. And I'm
normally quite a frequent bag changer, but I honestly have
used this like it's in my ten percent. I would
(25:56):
use it five days a week.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
It's really classic and the leather of their bags is honestly.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Three hundred NUND dollars. That is a lot of money
for a handbag, but I would say the quality is
better or on par than some bags that I've got
it that were six hundred or over one thousand. Yeah,
I just love it. So I didn't even mean to
bring her for show and tell, but she's always with me.
Thank you so much. I'm so inspired and overwhelmed. I
don't know how to use Excel, but this sounds a
little bit more fun and friendly, so I'm going to
start doing this and I report back.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yes, you need to download the app. Thanks, thank you
for having me.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Thank you so much for joining me for Nothing to
Wear and don't forget. If you want more fashion from us,
we're on YouTube and on Instagram. We're called Nothing to
Wear Pod. See you next week.
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges
the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast
is recorded on Happy Thursday. Ubis. It's Lee here and
I want to tell you about an amazing episode of
Nothing to Wear. I recently spoke to Jamie Lee Burns
and she revolutionized how I get dressed. She's all about data.
(00:34):
I know that sounds really boring, but trust me, as
someone who hates data and admin, I have taken on
her genius tips and now I have not been more
excited to get dressed in the morning. Have a listen.
Whoever said orange is a new pink with seriously disturbed
laurels spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god, you have to do it.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
You live for fashion.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Hello and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that
solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. Each week,
I sit down with an expert who helps us work
out how to get more out of the clothes you
already own and tells us what is and isn't worth
adding to wardrobe. This week is exactly that. I am
joined by Jamie Lee. She is a Sydney based stylist.
(01:17):
One of my favorite channels to follow on Instagram. She's
the exact opposite of me. She is a data nerd
and for over a decade she has been logging every
single item she buys or owns and when she wears it,
and from there she's got this amazing visual library of
all her clothes, including everything she wears, the most stuff
she doesn't really wear, so then she can sell it
and everything in between. So let's chat to Jamie about
(01:40):
how she keeps this data and why she does it
and why I am about to try and do the same.
Jamie Lee, my Instagram friend, Welcome to Nothing to Wear.
Before we get into the topic, which I've been begging
you to come on because it's fascinating, there's two questions
I ask everyone their first time on the show. So
the first one is can you describe your style in
three words? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So I actually was having a bit of a think
about this, and I would say feminine, polish, and undone.
There's always kind of a layer of each of those,
and most of my outfits all of them.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yes, Because when you say feminem, I'm like no, But
when you add them all together, it's an equation.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, I'm done.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
But the coolest like sheke, I'm done. I look at
you and I'm like on Instagram and I'm like, I'm
in my disgusting cam up tracksuit pants that are my favorites.
But I know Instagram's not everything. I love those three
words together.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
In Instagram versus real life.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, and I loved that those three words, like you
need all three to create the picture. Okay. Lots of
people wear a really small amount or a smaller amount
of their wardrobe more than the rest. So the ninety
ten roll or some people say eighty twenty, but the
smaller amount that they wear the most. And I guess
this is kind of what this whole topic's about. So
(02:51):
we don't want to give too much away, but what's
in your most reached for?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Okay, So I was having to look at what I
wear all the time because I'm a data nerd, and
I would say tailored trousers because they had that nice polish,
a really good pair of jeans, some sort of a
shoe that's comfortable but also has a bit of a lifted,
refined feel.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Or quirky. You have cool like quirky, but like still classic.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Quirky, like the Tory birch PSCs.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
And like the boots you're wearing, like sculptural heel, Yeah,
a little bit different. Yeah, okay, so that's what you
reach for most.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, I mean kind of those essentials most people tend
to happ in their wardrobes. But I would just say
versions that feel more like myself rather than what you
might find on a capsule wardrobe template.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yes, but yes, that's a very good point. I feel
like we're all over that capsual wardrobe. Okay, the topic.
I don't know if you told me in real life
because we often see each other at events, or I
saw it on Instagram or both. But you, as you said,
are a data nerd oh, I'd love to be like you.
Everything's so vibes for me, just vibes. You use your
phone to keep track of what items you're actually wearing
(03:52):
and how much, So talk us through that. What is
the app? How does it work?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
So I've actually been tracking what I wear since I
was in my early twenties, so I'm talking over a
decade at this point. I still manually using a spreadsheet
on Excel or just a piece of paper at one point. Wow,
And so now I've kind of progressed onto an app
which makes it a lot easier. So I use one
called index and I like it because of the functionality.
I'm kind of an asthete, so things have to look
(04:17):
a particular way for me to want to use it.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I can imagine your Excel spreadsheets for beautifully color coded
and oh not quite, but the cells all that matched up.
Mine looked like a kid went in and mucked up
a puzzle. So how does the app work? Do you
buy something new or you've added everything you own and
then every time you wear it you add like a tally.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, so there's a real manual process to it. You
have to kind of go in upload every single item
one by one. So you put in the brand name,
you put in the size, color, all that kind of information,
and then you can add in the price when you
bought it, if it.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Was pre owned or if it That's what I was
going to say, because I love thrifting, Can I just
do like Levi's dnim shirt, Like you don't have to
know all the info? No, you don't even have to
write a product. Yeah, so you put in just a
brand name and then you kind of track whether it's
kind of spring, summer, winter, autumn, and you also categorize
it by the type of item it is. Then that
(05:09):
way when you are looking, because you can actually view
your entire wardrobe. Is there images or can you I'll have.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
To show you, but you can see your entire your
entire wardrobe at a glance, which is really handy when
you're shopping. But yeah, that manual process and then every
day you just kind of go in and you can
log your outfit so you can make outfits up that
you can refer back to later when you've got some
free time on the couch and you just watch.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
It like that Cless thing. Remember in Clueless if anyone's
of that era where she sat down and used that maschione.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
It kind of like work. Yeah, well there are apps
that do that in tex does and but other ones do.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Wow. Yeah, oh my gosh, I saw it using notes
on my phone. Was cool. Okay, So you mentioned that
it's also visual. So where does the image come from?
Does it pull it from the internet or do you
take the photos?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
You manually need to upload the photos, so you can
either take a photo of the product itself and your
home and they do give you kind of guidelines on
how to get the best photo, or you can pull
a product image from the brand.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Website, right, so if it's new, that's a good way
to log it. So if I've got vintage of old stuff,
I can take my own photo.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
You speak could also friend similar or a really good
hag is to use chat GPT to create the image
for you. How you describe the item, or you take
a photo and you upload it and then you tell
them to create a flat late image of said item
on a white background.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Oh my gosh, you work in the future. I've taken
some photos for deep Hop and it's I guess it's
kind of similar, but it's like, you know, good lighting,
white background, steamed or blah blah blah. Okay, because I
just had a look at the app on your phone
and it's so pretty, so now I want it. So
you get dressed. You've decided, okay, this is my outfit
for the date. Do you go in then or do
you do it at night when you're usually.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
At night when I'm waiting for my daughter to fall asleep.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
What if you forget?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I go back and I often I take photos of
what I'm wearing, so I have kind of a reference,
or I usually have to kind of dig deep into
the depths of my memory to recall what I was
wearing sometimes, or I'll ask my husband.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yes, like what was I weird? Did we go to dinner?
What was I wearing? So tell me? Then? What do
you do with that info? Like monthly? Do you do
like a stock take of like Okay, I wear that
a lot, that was good cost per wear? Or why
did I buy those? I haven't worn them? Like what
do you do with the info?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
So the applin'e using does have a paid feature which
allows you to access all of those insights, and currently
they don't allow you to do it buy a specific
date range, but rather the last month, last three months,
six months, year, and then all time, so you can
kind of go back in and you can see what
you didn't wear a single time over that previous month,
but also you get a visual catalog or diary of
(07:36):
what you wore every single day for that month, so
you can see patterns emerging, Like I use someone who
is really only wearing a specific kind of pant. Do
you like to wear dark colors on your lower half
or on your upper half? Is there specific types of
shoes that you're pairing with certain types of pants?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
You know I want to. I desperately want to do this,
but I just like, I just could never. But it
would help so much because I'm thinking, if you're going shopping,
you can go in there and go, oh no, I
mean those black pants are great, but actually no, I
don't need those. Whereas I go, I think I've only
got one pair of black pants I like, and then
I get high and I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, and
I go, hi, all you black pants that I forgot about.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah. I get tunnel visions sometimes as well. So it's
a great way to ground myself and come back to earth.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
That is phenomenal. Okay, we'll do more about that later.
But from your data and your app, and you're the
way I wish I was. What items are you wearing
the most? Is there any unexpected?
Speaker 2 (08:29):
I feel like I need to actually refer to my
Oh please do so.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I want this app, but I don't know how I
would go back and do it all.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
It's well, you can start from now.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Face after a wardrobe clean out would be a good
time to do this at the end.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Actually, a trick for if you are doing any of
these apps is to just log things as you wear them,
because then it feels so.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Much less daunting, and if you haven't worn it, by default,
it's not on the list. So then you can do
your ordrobe cleanup and go, you've never been on my
list see later.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, yeah, that makes it so much more approachable.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I'm doing it.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
So you've got three hundred things or more in your wardrobe,
the idea of putting all of those into an app at.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Once, and because we're ten percent, that's good, you know,
out with that. Okay, so tell me what do you
wear the most. It doesn't have to be the exact item,
but black jeans like you're wearing, or.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Well, okay, so it's winter right now, so some sort
of locial boot like the ones I've got on now,
or my current most worn are from Saint Agne and
I think I've worn them twenty five times since I
bought them two months ago through, which is pretty good.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Very Oh my gosh. I'd be like, Tick, you're a
good person. You can go shopping and get.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
A trap, especially because I've got a good rotation of
items in my wardrobe, either a small crossbody bag or
like a larger shoulder bag. I'm kind of all or
nothing when it comes to that, really slouchy kind of knitwear.
I splosed to see if it was worth it on
the Aphelias sweater from the Row, and so I've made
a point of trying to actually get my cosper wear
(09:54):
out of it because and so far, so good. I've
worn it fifteen times in the last few months, which
I think is pretty.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Decent, amazing. And next winter, you know, it's the Roe
and the winter after and yeah, forever and ever and ever.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Also, just like a good quality belt, so I've led
the that I've worn over one hundred, probably over two
hundred times at this point. And dark colored jeans. I
really like a wash black jean.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Okay, shape, I'm not that. I'm not that bothered.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
No, I'm not that bothered.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Look, I'm back into almost skinny straight.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I actually like that silhouette. And I think I think
the skinny has a bad rap. It's all about styling
of proportions. But I think the slim some strait is
really flattering.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
And these is so old. If I were you and
had this app for you know, the data from so
long ago, I could see that I wore them last
probably four years ago. But now they're back.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Wow, that's fascinating. Okay, so what do you do when
you look in there and then there's stuff that you
haven't really worn much and you're like, oh, okay, I
obviously don't reach for those things. What do you do then?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
So I actually use that as a prompt to go,
I want to wear this. I want to make the
most of what I have in my wardrobe. So to me,
it's actually a tool with a challenge. Yeah, so I go, okay, well,
I won't been wearing this. I want to bring it
into rotation and actually allows me to wear a larger
percentage of my wardrobe more frequently than I would otherwise.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, because if you, well, I don't know about you,
but for me, if I don't, I can't see it,
I don't reach for it.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Yeah. And also you default to the same things all
the time, so that's a great way to kind of
increase that variety and your styling.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
So what patterns are you picking up or how can
everybody use this to work out kind of colors and
more than just the items themselves or the outfits you've made,
but I guess working out your personal style colors, textures, cuts.
Do you use it to look at things like that.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Probably less so for that, I more like to see
trends in the specific types of items that I'm reaching for,
and also I suppose to trends in how I'm wearing
my clothing, because I can see even just in the
evolution of my own style that previously I opted a
lot more for like overly feminine pieces, a lot more Josses,
and in the summer time I would really default a
(12:01):
lot to denim shorts. But since maybe the last year
or two, I've started wearing cotton pants in the summertime,
and that's something I can see just from looking at
my styling and the app.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, right, Okay, I feel like because I'm quite neutral,
I'd say you're quite classically neutral. I'm quite neutral. But
I do have some color that I have, but I
don't know how to wear it. But if I've logged
it all then I can kind of see. Actually, I
do have quite a few green things. I could do
color blocking, or I could try that green with that lilac,
which I would never think here, but you can see
(12:32):
it in the app.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, because you can also filter by color as well,
so you can kind of get an overview of all
of the things you have in one color palette, but
you do have that freedom and that flexibility to just
build outfits and play around. So if you have something
you're really struggling to style, having that kind of visual
representation can help. I mean, it always translates differently in
real life, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
But at least try it, especially if you're out about
because sometimes I think, what am I going to wear
to that event tonight and I've got to rush home
and get ready, but I can't see my wardrobe. But
if it's on my phone, you're a genius. Okay, I'm
a massive Pinterest fan. I don't know about you, but
do use Pinterest to inspire you? Or are there other websites, platforms,
blogs that you look at for inspiration and then kind
of refer to your data to see if you've got
(13:15):
similar items, or do you do any other sort of
research that way.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
So I don't know about you, but I actually find
Pinterest now as eighty percent ads. It is not very
user friendly anything. I kind of browse through and I go, okay,
where where is what I'm actually looking for a lot
of ads. Yeah, so I don't use it as a
tool as much as I used to in the past,
I think these days instead, I'm more so inspired by
silhouettes or even just e commerce styling. So oh wow,
(13:40):
like on websites you'll have a look at Yeah, okay,
you can get some great ideas, and not only that,
just what you see in fashion weeks. So those kind
of trends trickling through. There are easy ways that you
can co opt those trends into your own styling that
maybe don't require any shopping.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
So you see some street style, you know, Copenhagen Fashion
Week was a few weeks ago. Now you see some
stuff on Instagram. Do you then use that inspo to
go back into your data and think, oh, I would
have never thought to mix a skirt like that with
a blazer like that, and I've got similar.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
That's definitely a great way you can use it and
index in particular, do this thing called social styling, so
you can let other people into your wardrobe and style you.
So I haven't open.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
More's so fun playing dress ups, but for.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Adults it's really cool. And so I've had some really great,
fantastic outfit ideas and suggestions come through just through the
social styling component, and they're ones that I never would
have thought of, like.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
I got a great ones to do that for someone else,
though I can't even get myself dressed. But you know,
it's so creative, and that's cool. It is. It's a
book club for fashion.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
It's like Pollyboard.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Do you remember that.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
It's a way back when Yeah, and so I got
this great outfit idea. It was like these shorts that
I have with a knee high boot and I would
never ever pair those two things together with a fitted
long sleep and then this oversized sleeveless blazer which.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And someone went in and said you should try this.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, that is so and I tried on and I
was just I was upsetsed. So I thought, this is genius.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
It's also like video games for grown upspeacause how kids,
you know people game each other. That's so awesome. Tell
me when it's sale time, because this is where all
my logic goes out the window. You seem a bit
more measured than me, but you know there's sales on
(15:24):
and it's then extra twenty five percent off, and I go,
oh my god, and I jump on and buy things.
How do you approach data and emotions, particularly when you
know it could be a really good price, How do
you marry the two?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
So I have something called the thirty days shopping rule,
and I will say that, yes, there are always going
to be exceptions. Sometimes you see something, you have this
emotional urge to add it to your wardrobe, and if
you have the money to do so, you know, and
it's the timing's right, But I usually try and wait
at least thirty days and.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
To think about an item.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, but the sales only for three days.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
What are you going to do?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Just wait for the next one? Oh, your sir, I'm
of the belief that there's always another sala.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
It's so true, and honestly, the marketing works, and that's
why I get frantic. You know. It was click frenzy
a little while ago, and I ignored all of it.
But then I sat down at my laptop on the Monday,
and that's when all you think it's over and all
the brands go extra discount, and that's when.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
I was like, oh what am I missing?
Speaker 1 (16:16):
But you're so right, there's another sale. Well there is
an Have you ever used Carted? Yes, I've only just
got cartered. You need to give us a list of
all the good apps, so explain card for people that
don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
It's a wish listing app. So you add the things
that you're thinking about buying to it, and then it
tracks when it goes on sale. So you get an
alert if it goes on sale, you get an alert
if the item restocks. Just say the items available multiple retailers.
You can link all the retailers and all tell you
if ones offering it at a better price.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
But I don't look at things before I realize I
want to buy them. I just go oh, etm oh sale.
But you know that's so clever. And then you can
watch it and maybe you get an alert and it's like, oh,
it's restocked, but it's on sale, and you actually, I
don't really want it anymore.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, and you find that waiting waiting at least you
know a week even that many of the items that
you thought you wanted to buy have slowly been filtered out.
They've been forgotten, you know, they've been lost to time.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
So because it was an emotional purchase or an impulse
purchase rather than a strategic, yeah, you need to do courses.
So say we're all a data Personara, We've started to
do this. It helps with our existing wardrobe, but then
how do we use that info going forward about purchasing.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
So I think you can see trends in terms of
what colors you're actually reaching for, so identifying the ones
that are kind of your core colors. Because we have
you can do seasonal color analysis.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
But I think we have a tech mine.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
I hated mind, tried to stick with it, and then
always go.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
To the shop. So I'm like, but I like that
yellow and I'm not allowed to wear that green.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
But yes, so you can do that. But I think
we gravitate towards the colors that we really enjoy and
that make us feel good, and that's kind of what
you want to feel in your clothes. So that can
be useful tool. But you end up wearing the colors
that you like the most, so that can be one
kind of thing. It can help you identify what you
aren't wearing, so knowing I'm not going to buy that
in the future. So there's this saying like love to buy,
I hate to wear. So maybe you keep buying like
(18:06):
button up shirts like you're wearing today, but you never
wear them.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Okay, you only need a certain amount.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Well that's true, but if you're never wearing them, it's
wasted space in your wardrobe and also your time and
your budget. So that can be a great way to
kind of filter out those bad purchases.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Well for me, I mean similar to that, because I've
spoken a lot on the podcast how much I love
Chambra shirts, but I definitely don't need another one, And
so if I'm in store or at my laptop, I
can go no, Lee, You've got enough, or you know,
if you know, resell those ones you're allowed, whereas I forget.
So it's either seeing what you don't wear, not buying
(18:42):
any more of that, or realizing you have too many
of something and you don't need another one. Oh my gosh,
can I pay you to like start my I don't
know if you'll be able to answer this, but through
you know, a data lens, which you've been doing for
a really long time, do you reckon there's a kind
of general optimal number of items in our wardrobe that
kind of on average every person would have or is
(19:04):
that just too hard?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
So I feel like the perfect sized wardrobe doesn't exist
because everyone has a different lifestyle. They're doing different activities
but also live in different climates, and that's really going
to dictate the needs of your wardrobe. I've kind of
looked into hundreds of people's wardrobes and it's interesting. You
see a really big difference in the numbers. Some people
might have fifty items, whereas others have over four hundred
(19:28):
and fifty. And while maybe the ones with over four
hundred and fifty in their wardrobe aren't wearing every single
thing all the time, perhaps there are things that give
them joy of they've got sentimental value. But ultimately, at
the end of the day, we typically need less than
we think. Absolutely, yeah, you can do a lot with
a little and I mean ten items. You can easily
turn that into forty plus outfits.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Interesting to use that kind of data to, like, I
guess it would be so good for packing, because then
you can work out combinations one.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Hundred percent and you can also see how you've styled
items in the past. You've kind of got a library
and in dex of outfits to kind of go back to.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I'm most inspired to do this just for packing because
I'm always paying overweight folk because I'm like, maybe I'll
wear that ball gown. Maybe I want to be that person. No, yeah,
you need it for that es and like you said,
people might live somewhere where it's snows in winter, but
it's really hot, you know, whereas if you're from Townsville,
you probably don't need fifteen coats. Yeah, love it. Talk
to me about your YouTube series. It's called Influences Made
(20:27):
Me Buy It? What is this all about?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Okay? So I think we've all had that purchase or
maybe more than one, which we have been influenced to
buy because we've seen someone talk about it and they've
made it look so appealing, like you know, it's on
the silver platter and it just looks so shiny, and
we want to add it to our wardrobes because we
think if we buy that, it's going to be life changing.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
You think it's going to solve all these problems. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
And so do you buy these items or review these items?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Or these are things I've naturally just added into my wardrobe.
And so it kind of just was birth from me
reflecting on the things that I've bought, what have been
good purchases and what have been bad ones? Because I
look back at the end of every year and I go,
what were my best purchases that I made? What were
the worst ones.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
That I obviously follow you and love your content. I
love when you do I regret these or I don't
wear these because I find that, not that it's more helpful,
but people mostly post about things they love, whereas you know,
seeing okay, that didn't work, it's like, oh okay. Firstly,
I'm human too, and secondly that's a good PSA for me.
I just think more, you know, not that we're trying
to be negative about brands. It's more so that it
just didn't work for you, and I think that there
(21:32):
needs to be more of that. So I really like
that because we're all human. You've got things in your
wardrobe with tags on, I'm sure I do. I love that.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I try to wet stuff the week I buy it, but.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
I'm so excited. But no, it's sometimes when you're doing
that clean out and you're like, you know, we're going
to regret it. But I think everyone does that and
you can learn from it if you clock the data.
(22:04):
It's very expensive, how wondred percent okay, Fougie and budget,
so you might actually have data on yours. I absolutely
do not, but it's something that we might be considering
and think we'll get a lot of wear out of
or new seasoned items or stuff that you've just worn
to death, hence your data. Do you want to start
(22:24):
with your boogie or your budget? My budget? Okay, let's
do your budget.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Okay. So I'm wearing them right now. They're a pair
of genes from H and M and they are the
best genes one. The quality is exceptional for the price.
I think they are fifty dollars but non sell for forty.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Wow. Yeah, I was a stay there, like I thought
they were really fancy. From here, the denim looks quite thick.
It's a beautiful black like it's not solid solid, but
it's not too washed.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
They're so good they remind me a lot of a
pair of jeens I've got from a New Zealand brand
I love called Marl.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I love mal too. Yeah, yeah, G and M. I
have some CH and M denim. Yeah, I'm gonna go
get the black.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Ones, so super underrated. And I have another pair of
genes from H and M which are great too.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So I've got the black like quite wide barrel of
course that's probably my fancy is black barrel ones, because
I don't want to do the really expensive version. Okay,
so my budget is I reflect it on my wardrobe.
Don't have data, but I love a white tea. I
live in a white tea. I have so many, but
I actually wear a lot of them, most of them,
(23:22):
and I think it's mostly because I'm messy and can
soak them and they come out quite good. With a
lot of the Uniclow ones, I'm not going to recommend
that again because listeners will be over it. But no,
but they are good and I am just so good.
I know the aerorsm one yes with a thick crew neck. However,
the other day I wore a brown T shirt and
I remembered how much I loved it, and the brand
does are white, so I'm going to get the white.
(23:45):
It's called Cream. I don't know if you know this brand.
They're two Aussy Girls Sydney bas Cre double Me unisex,
very similar to the Uniclow A beautiful thick cotton but
not not stiff. It's just feels really good quality. I
think they're about sixty nine dollars and the brown one
I love, and they're unisex, but there's two versions of
the cuts. They're very slightly different but still sort of
(24:06):
oversized classic. I do a little cuff on the sleeve,
which adds interest. I just the brown one I've trashed,
and also you can't bleach brown, so it's obviously good quality.
So I'm going to get the white one because I
just live in white teas. I've got a lot of
s damage. I often hide this, and I just feel
like it's my more elevated version of a singlet. Yeah,
bougie please?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Okay? So mine are a pair of heels from eighty
eighty is hands down one of my favorite shoe brands
because they're kind of in that mid tier price point,
so not quite luxury, but not high street. The quality
of the shoes is excellent, and they suit white feet.
I don't do uncomfortable shoes, and I like the fact
that they accommodate my feet. I can stand in them
all day.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Okay, but what's the style.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
They're a pointed toe pump from eighty. They actually already
have them in the black, and so I ordered the
chocolate swayed and they come into tan too, which is
it all tail A little bit like a low heel time, Yeah,
So it kind of gives you that left adds a
sharpness to an outfit, very cheek I've never bought anything
from the brand, but I have hearted a lot of
things on deep hops, so maybe I'll go buy some
the similar sizes. So if you sell me, let me
(25:08):
know she is here with me, because since I got her,
I have not stopped using her VISTSI the Aussie brand
does handbags.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I've got so many of their handbags. This is the
Eden Leather shoulder bag three hundred and twenty nine dollars.
I had an extremely old Oriton bag that fully zipped
shut that was just dead, and I've been looking for
one this size medium for so long and it's phenomenal.
Then there's two sections inside. Great size because then I
(25:36):
have a separate laptop bag if I'm kind of coming
to work or whatever, but just every day I still
need I don't know why I have so many things.
I just have a lot of things, and so that's
the perfect size. It's super comfy and it comes in
and swayed too. There's a bunch of colors. And I'm
normally quite a frequent bag changer, but I honestly have
used this like it's in my ten percent. I would
(25:56):
use it five days a week.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
It's really classic and the leather of their bags is honestly.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Three hundred NUND dollars. That is a lot of money
for a handbag, but I would say the quality is
better or on par than some bags that I've got
it that were six hundred or over one thousand. Yeah,
I just love it. So I didn't even mean to
bring her for show and tell, but she's always with me.
Thank you so much. I'm so inspired and overwhelmed. I
don't know how to use Excel, but this sounds a
little bit more fun and friendly, so I'm going to
start doing this and I report back.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yes, you need to download the app. Thanks, thank you
for having me.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Thank you so much for joining me for Nothing to
Wear and don't forget. If you want more fashion from us,
we're on YouTube and on Instagram. We're called Nothing to
Wear Pod. See you next week.
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