July 16, 2025 • 21 mins
On this weeks fashion drop, Leigh dives into the world of matching sets, sheer skirts and the infamous generational fashion feud with social media extraordinaire Liv James. They explore why Gen Z and millennials are constantly pitted against each other in the style stakes, debunk the myth that certain pieces are age-restricted, and discuss how both generations can learn from each other's approach to fashion.
From Liv's Pinterest hacks to Leigh's classic capsule wardrobe philosophy, the pair share what they'd wear to various occasions (spoiler: they're not as different as you might think!) and challenge the tired narrative of generational style wars.
LINKS TO ALL THE GOODIES MENTIONED:
Apres Studios Plaid Marta Dress $409
Apres Studios Black Picnic Dress (seen on Hailey Bieber) $399
Zara Leopard Print Kitten Heels $70
Bad Bunny x Adidas Sneakers $250
Asics x Story MFG Sneakers $370
Merrell Woven Slides $270
Vrg Girl Lace Skirt $120
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Host: Leigh Campbell
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
that this podcast is recorded on Hey you beas Lee
here with a little treat fury is. I have an
episode of Nothing to Wear that I want you to
listen to because it's the Millennial versus gen Z debate
socks wallets, Do gen Z really even understand what we've
been through as millennials. It's hilarious, It's got the beautiful
(00:36):
Live James, and I'd love for you to listen and
get your opinion. Enjoy. Whoever said orange is a new
pink with seriously disturbed laurels for spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god, you.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Have to do it. You live for fashion.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that
solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee
Campbell and every week I chat to an expert who
helps us work out how to get more out of
the clothes we already own and tells us exactly what
is and isn't worth adding to ourdrobes. Now, there's something
I have wanted to cover on the podcast for a
(01:13):
while because it really irritates me. It's the fashion feud
between gen Z and millennials, from socks to cross body
bags and everything in between. It seems these two generations
throughout war when it comes to what is quote unquote
cool to wear. So joining me again today is the
delightful and insightful Live James. She's our in house style
(01:36):
with brush, She's a social media extraordinaire and Live u
was first on the show when she taught us how
to master Pinterest, which honestly has been one of our
most popular episodes. Yet she's young and cool and the
perfect person to nat up this issue and hopefully put
the millennial versus gen Z fashion war to bed. Live
(01:56):
welcome back.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
You were last on the show on the Pinterest episode,
which changed my life. But luckily I get to see
you every week and you are young and fun and cool,
and that's why you're here. Before we get into the topic,
the two questions I asked returning gets Yeah, what's your
biggest fashion splurge or impulse purchase?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Okay, so I like to be quite calculated about what
I buy because I do like to buy quality pieces
that sometimes cost a bit of money. And I have
to really think about it. But I did recently buy
a dress and I didn't think about it.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I probably thought about it for ten minutes because it
was love. It was just love.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
And honestly it's from a brand called Upreas Studios, which
is Australian made like our prey, like.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
With the s like the ski word. Yeah, okay, yeah,
going skiing. No okay, no, it's actually more like Victorian. Ah. Well,
last time you're on, we talked trends and there was
that we did weird Victorian.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, castle cor, castle Core.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Then I actually said that I wouldn't wear a drop
waist and guess what this has?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
This brand went viral for the bubble mini dress.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I thought that was witchery again. No I don't, I'm
not anti. I just was there the first time, well
the first time for yes.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, So that went viral because Haley Beebe wore it
and very cool.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, it's very cool and very cool.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah, and I was like, okay, so I've been watching them.
The bubble mini dress I found hard because I was like,
I can't wear that every day, but this is a maxi.
It's like a plaid kind of blue and pink pattern heaven.
And it has an elastic top so it things really
nicely like clings to you, but then it pushes out
(03:35):
from where the m so it has a little bit
of a dropped waist. Ok So it kind of like
does a v oh yes, yes, h shapes really nice.
And it's the top like like Les Slaves top is
like a T shirt. Yeah, and it's one hundred percent cotton.
It was a bit spendy. It was around four hundred
dollars handmade though, like it is like, but I really.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Loved it and you're gonna wear the shit out of it.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I wore it to Easter. My mum loved it.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Okay, gets some mum tick of approval, and I can
wear it to work as well.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, okay, good, all right, so you are quite considered.
I need to learn to not just to click and
not need my credit card. I mean, you wouldn't even
know what it's like to need to go and get
your credit card out of you. Do you have a
style music? If so, who and why?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I've got two?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Okay, Automatically they spring to mind every time. There's this
one girl called Elsa Ray. She's on TikTok. She's awesome.
She's got around forty thousand followers. She lives in Melbourne's
not too huge, no, not massive, but.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
She's a very cool.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
But she's not afraid to mix patterns where they shouldn't
be and she does it in a very nice way,
and she does color in a considered way, but it
still feels fun. Okay, So I always like, I'm always
saving her videos.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Because fun with fashion. Yeah, very cool, but not like
trying to be generic cool girl cool. You're like quirky.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yes, I hope you take no absolutely, and I think
she does that really well, but she still does it
with pieces that you can get from like the iconic.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, but she's not attainable.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Who's the other one?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Literally I could literally put you into?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Although I feel like sometimes I wear things if you
wore you'd be like you would be.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Like, no way, no way. Who's the other one?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
The other one is an og YouTuber from America. Her
name is Lexi Lombard and.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I think like Eve and I've heard that name.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
She's so cool. She's friends with Billie Eilish and stuff like,
she's really cool. She's got say Billy Idol.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
This is the perfect episode for me.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah no, no, but you know, maybe a fan of
Billy Idol baby. So you know how, like obviously love Pinterest.
I'm subscribed to her Pinterest board, and I have a
little widget on my phone home screen and it generates
new images every hour from my saved boards, which I
know might sound a little bit complicated.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I have that from my phone photos my kid as
a baby and stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yes, so it's exactly that, but for your Pinterest boards.
And every time a photo from her board hums up,
I click on it and I'm like, I need that.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And we're going back to the pinter Do you have
to have saved the picture from Pinterest? So it's just
accounts you follow.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Just account you follow or subscribe to. It's the best.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
It's like, so you're surrounding yourself with constant inspiration, like yeah, inspiration.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
You live in the future.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Oh my god, thank god you're here live. I love you.
We talk a lot, We get along. We are twenty
years apart. We are almost I aged myself. Yet you're
twenty five. I'm forty three, so pretty much two decades
between us. And so that makes you technically, gen Z
me a millennial, technically an elder millennial, And I want
to ask you. I know you can't speak for your
(06:49):
entire generation, but how do you feel about all the
content and the articles and the things we say that
says ben Z says, they can tell someone's a millennial
when they wear dot dot dot like that kind of
content that feudes these two generations, mostly women, kind of
against each other.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
It really does and look like it clicks, like it works,
like we know here there at work, absolutely, but personally,
I think it's really tired. And honestly, when I look
at the things that my like gen Z is obsessed
with right now, ballet flats, side parts, peplum, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
But like, where are all those coming from us? Yes?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, exactly, and we're not I don't think we're afraid
to admit that. Like we all know that, and we
all understand that fashion has a cycle.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It always comes back.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yes, but it's I guess for you guys, we're generalizing here,
but you know, to make the point, it's kind of
like your first time with that trend. Yes, And I
remember twenty years ago thinking I'm so cool and what
my mum wears is so daggy or whatever, but she's like, Babe, iye'
wore that twenty or thirty years ago.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yes, And I think like a really good example when
I was thinking about it was there was an interview
with Apple Martin, Gwyneth's daughter, and Gwyneth has this amazing
archive closet that she's done a tour of and they
asked Apple. I can't remember what publication it was, but
they were like, do you go in there? And her
eyes literally lit up like my eyes would, and she goes, absolutely,
(08:12):
it's my favorite place cut And I was like, yeah,
like we understand that maybe there's a few things that.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
We don't love, Like you don't know, shoe socks. We'll
get into that.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
We'll get into.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I'm not gonna budge on that I can, but you
guys walked so we could run. Yes, we're taking things
and we're rewriting it. But I also think a big
difference is that we're growing up with like Pinterest and TikTok,
where things happened really fast.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Right, Oh, I bought Dolly or Cleo or Cosmo. I
saved up so once you know, Cosmo and Cleo came
out once a month and we would got that you
had a certain amount of pictures. Yeah, exactly, and then
you saw on out on the TV or a movie. God,
I sound old. So the amount of content and inspiration
that we all have access to now, but we didn't
really grow up in our formative years of deciding what
(09:00):
star was and there were so few stores and there
wasn't online shopping. So yeah, that's a big part of it.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Too, absolutely, And I think that's probably the biggest part
because we are pro grand to know. Okay, tomorrow, I'm
gonna like shift this one thing to be different. If
you guys were always taught to have like a capsual wardrobe, yes,
what fits your body this way?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
All that current shopping, like maybe got a special treat
before Christmas to her in summer and then you bought
some winter stuff because it was cold.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Wow, I sound like I'm from the great No, But
like truly I think that that is a huge difference,
Like we go fast and you guys are more probably
considered all right, so gen Z in general, Yeah, how
do you think they feel about millennials or even gen
(09:48):
X Because you know, Holly and me are both here
at gen X and I think are very stylish. But
in general, do you think older generations that are two
decades three decades older uncol old lady, too different to
what your friends wear.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I think it's like very personal.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I was on Instagram a few days ago and Kate
Middleton popped up and she was wearing a Baker Boy hat,
you know, the like.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, I know what one is, and I, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I didn't you go. I was like, what's this?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
And I then got on the phone to my mum
and she's gen X yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
She was like I had one of those hats and
I was like, I actually really like it.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah, it made me want to buy it. And I
think Vogue called it a style revival or something. They
didn't call it old, they didn't call it hugi or
you know, just lame or anything.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
They were like, it's coming back.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
So I think that I don't think it's about age,
like I really don't. I think it's like there's these
weird mental blocks and I see it in the office.
I see it with people that I talked to that
they're like I just couldn't wear.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
That, yes, And I'm like, but you could, yeah, you
really could. Or I couldn't shop there. I couldn't wear
that because of my age.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, and that's a mental barrier I've had to overcome,
and you know, don't really think about now, but it's
a lot of the listeners here as well.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Absolutely, And I think I it's hard because obviously there's
things that you're like, my I'm rocked up to, like
family dinner and she was wearing like a Von Dutch
cap and like jaorts.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I'd be like, okay, like something's wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Totally, And how old he?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Mum?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Do your mommy asking?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Fifty two?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah? See she's young. That's me or in Holly's age. Yeah,
if your mom did Jaughts with like a really cool shirt,
yeah yeah. Like it's more about the item and how
it's styled across generations, right, rather than an entire look.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah, it's like rewriting it and doing it in your
own way and making sure that it actually still feels
like you. So I guess that's probably what would freak
me out. If mum wore the way that I wore it,
I'd be like, what's going on? But maybe she could like,
you know, maybe should go red Jaughts, and.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I'd be like, oh, yeah, that's cool danim jaw with
a nice shirt.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Actually that's no, No, that's true. I could actually see
like you would fill that ort. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
So as a gen Z and it's someone that professionally
gets paid to run social media. Where do you get
your stylinspo from? Where do you see cool brands, cool trends,
cool looks, cool peace? Because for me, I'm still mostly Instagram. Yeah,
but that was a big departure for me from magazines
and then websites.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Yeh, bogs absolutely mainly TikTok like that. When I really
come down to it and I'm like, Okay, where do
I see something and then want to buy it? It
is always TikTok and I think it has kind of
taken over what would have been magazines for you guys.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yes, and even Instagram. I feel like my generation's kind
of slowly maybe being forced to go on to TikTok.
We love Instagram, but your generation tends to go to
TikTok first for that.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
And I use it as a search engine just as
much as I'll go to Google and be like, Okay,
I want to find a white sneaker, I will look
that up in TikTok first. What so I can see
someone talking about it, and I can see them putting
it on, and I can see them being honest about it. Yeah,
and also I can see how they style it, and
that way, I won't just get the same white sneaker
(13:04):
all over and over again, and I won't just get
that like stock image of it on.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
A white background. Like I'm like, what can I actually
do with that? Nothing?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
So then I'll watch this video see how I style it.
If I like the whole outfit screenshot. Asos, which I
really love, has this feature where you can upload a
screenshotted voto and you can put it into their search
engine and they'll just pop out.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
All the similar similar part. I've seen what the little
button on the website and I was like, that looks
like the future.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
It is actually the future.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I know how to reverse Google image. Yeah that's good too,
but it's not as good.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
It's not as good. It's not as good.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Would you say you follow fashion trends? I mean, I
get to blame my job and I think that I'm
original and stylish, but I really do follow a lot
of fashion trends each season, and I'm happy to admit it.
I'm a bit of a sheep. I'm kind of a
mid sheep. I'm not a leader, but I'm not a follower.
Do you think you follow trends and I feel like
your generation don't as much, or maybe we're just seeing
(13:59):
a whole different world of trends that aren't Yeah, because
I'm not looking away your trends are.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I think it's hard because, like, you could probably find
someone that dresses exactly the same way as you now
in probably like five minutes, so everything kind.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Of feels like you.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, Like I really struggle with that, I think like
half the time because it is very important to me
that I feel like I'm dressing as myself and like
in an individual way. But there's like memes at the
moment that are like, have I ever had an original thought?
Because you see people doing the same thing as you,
even if you thought you were the first person.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
In the world to do it.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, there's like three sneakers that are on my wish
list right now.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Well, tell me about the place.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Bad Bunny has a new collab with Addidas. It's like
a ballerina shoe.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I have seen those. I thought Bad Bunny was the
brand to start with.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I was like, oh my God, I'm the singer he
dated Kendall Jennifer a little bit.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I never heard of him. Okay, what's the next one?
Speaker 3 (14:49):
The other one is Essex has done this collab with
a brand called MFG Story MFG and it's Gingham and
so the whole thing is in a Gingham pattern.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
It's really cute. Looks like a little picnic.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Another one which will be interesting for you, and I
actually think you could look really good in these.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Do you know the brand Merril?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
No, isn't it? I? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah? Is it like a raincoat brand or something like?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
It's like they're like a hiking brand.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah, like so like outdoor.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
But they're having a bit of a rebrand and I
would die to see you in these shoes. They're doing
this like rebrand and they're cool now. Like I was
just in Tokyo, which you were was amazing. Whole other
topic we need to cover whole other topic. But they
had a storefront in Shibuyah, and I was like, Okay,
I'm clocking this, like you guys are on the rise. Okay,
(15:40):
because if it's in Tokyo and if they have a storefront,
something's going on.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Okay. But what did the shoe look like?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
They look like dad shoes, but there's.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
One dad sneaker.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah, but they can get really hikey, like okay, like
you really are going for a track. But there's one
specific pair that is a leather woven slip on kind
of slide but it's closed toe.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Okay, it sounds okay and not in Crocteray is it?
Does it feel krocky?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
I wouldn't say no, oh god, but it's just cool.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
But see, that's where I think it's so clever of you.
Maybe because of your generation or your job that you've
seen that I would have falled past and gone ugly shoe,
ugly shop, keep going. Maybe that's why I keep shopping
in the same way.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I most think. We have this thing where it's like,
if it's ugly, we'll like it. The uglier the better.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I do feel like that you can't be wearing a
shoe like that with an outfit that doesn't feel delicate.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Or a balance.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yeah, you've got a balance, you know, the wrong shoe theory. Yes,
So you put your outfit on and then you go,
what shoe would I never wear with this?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
And you put that shoe on? Yeah, and that's a
good outfit. It kind of stems into.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
That I like that your generation knows that hairy.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, we're gonna play a game. We both have to answer.
I have at never thought about mine, yeah, twenty years apart.
We both answer what we'd likely to wear to these
following occasions. So clothes, use accessories, all of it. Okay,
(17:10):
the first scenario, you're going to and I'm going to
it's dinner with friends, so male female, and we're at
quite a fancy restaurant. And then we're going to a
bar after to people of your aage go to a bar, yes,
oh good, Okay, go to a bar. What are you wearing?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I will probably go.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
You know, I am a sucker for the trend at
the moment with the sheer skirtes.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I love the sheer skirt.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I both call me onto my favorite run from Verge
Girl that you said you were gonna buy and I
bought a first. If we don't hang out.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I'm still you're together, but I'd probably go. Let's say
that skirt. I'd go that skirt and just an oversized
T shirt. We've got a few situations that you're going
to give me. I could wear maybe all of my
suggestions to any of them, which is interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
But we're not anti. This is we're at a fancy restaurant,
So what shoe were you doing?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I would do a kitten heel. Okay, I love a
kitten heel. One of my favorite kittenhels at the moment
is from Zara. It's got a leopard print on it
with a little bow. Looks very ninety and then a
bit of patent clashing there.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Catch would tickle my brain.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
And the skirt is quite dressy, so the t shirt
okay for the fanciness, and.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I would do like a pretty statement necklace and gold hoops.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Okay, I'm vibing that. Yeah. I probably would wear a
sheer skirt too, because I skied, you know, a Maxi
skirt or lacey sheerie. But I don't think i'd do
a tea to a fancy restaurant I've been loving. It's
not a single top, but it's a sleeveless sort of
lower neck but long enough to cover the bum and
the front. Not actually i've seen you, so that not
(18:35):
everyone's seeing my undies. I'd probably do a higher heel
because I still have that hangover from where we fancy
restaurant means high heel your generation doesn't have. We don't,
and probably a blazer, nice oversized. Yes, all right, you're
going to brunch with your girl group. Yes, I would do.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
A cute little like a mini dress and the knee
high boots. Oh wow, yeah, but not healed like the
flat knee high. Or I would do a coored okay, yeah,
so like double denim, something like that, sneak denim, like
I wouldn't do a kitten heel.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Okay, no, right, no, I wouldn't do a sneaker with
the ministress. Yeah, okay, and your socks, because you loves socks.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah, snick always ankle length socks always, probably a poper color.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Okay. I'm going to wear my high waisted barrel leg jeans,
of which I have seven hundred and fifty pairs. I
try and wear sandals for as long as they can
because I hate winter shoes. But if it's cold, I
do a loafer.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I don't really do a lot of trainers or sneakers.
And I'm gonna do a T shirt, probably a plain
T shirt like I've got on today with a belt,
or a T shirt with a respectable logo, like an
anine being or something that says I'm a bit fancy,
but it's not like chill Louis Bitton. Yeah nice, that's me.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So you're going to a work related event, I guess
in our industry so creative. You're not going to the ballet?
Maybe you are, But what would you wear with the
work stuff?
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I would probably go with the suit, but a colored suit,
and then I'll do a graphic tea under it.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Oh cool, prribly with an image. See yes, it's a
bit of like.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
You can see something popping out. Yeah, I'm vibing that,
and that's very mea yeah, like.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
A Meryl Streep like can you imagine you've got like
a matching suit on and then Meryl Streep is like
just on your shirt?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
And what's our footwear for this work event?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I would probably do a little kitten hill as well.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Okay, good, just to like you know, for me, I
do still go to a lot of work events. I
am generally a low kitten heel, maybe even a loafer
if it's not that dressy. I don't believe into string
straps or anything too thin for a shoulder for anything
work related. But again that's a hangover from my old days.
Or if I do, everything else has to be very covered.
(20:48):
So I would probably do like a pant, like a
nice wide leg pant, and probably a shirt.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Looks very simple and very simple.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
What I could I guess I could be in a
lawyer's office, live James. Thank you for representing your wonderful
generation who can run because we walked. And I love
that we're trying to put to rest the generational war
fashion because yeah, fun, yes, and it's.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Close of fun. I'm good, lad for rich, absolutely, Thank
you so much for having.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Me, thank you for joining me, thank you for listening
to Nothing to Wear, and don't forget to sign up
to the matching newsletter. There's a link in the show
notes and it's free. See you next week. This episode
was produced by Molly Harwood, with audio production by Lou Hill.
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
that this podcast is recorded on Hey you beas Lee
here with a little treat fury is. I have an
episode of Nothing to Wear that I want you to
listen to because it's the Millennial versus gen Z debate
socks wallets, Do gen Z really even understand what we've
been through as millennials. It's hilarious, It's got the beautiful
(00:36):
Live James, and I'd love for you to listen and
get your opinion. Enjoy. Whoever said orange is a new
pink with seriously disturbed laurels for spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god, you.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Have to do it. You live for fashion.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that
solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee
Campbell and every week I chat to an expert who
helps us work out how to get more out of
the clothes we already own and tells us exactly what
is and isn't worth adding to ourdrobes. Now, there's something
I have wanted to cover on the podcast for a
(01:13):
while because it really irritates me. It's the fashion feud
between gen Z and millennials, from socks to cross body
bags and everything in between. It seems these two generations
throughout war when it comes to what is quote unquote
cool to wear. So joining me again today is the
delightful and insightful Live James. She's our in house style
(01:36):
with brush, She's a social media extraordinaire and Live u
was first on the show when she taught us how
to master Pinterest, which honestly has been one of our
most popular episodes. Yet she's young and cool and the
perfect person to nat up this issue and hopefully put
the millennial versus gen Z fashion war to bed. Live
(01:56):
welcome back.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
You were last on the show on the Pinterest episode,
which changed my life. But luckily I get to see
you every week and you are young and fun and cool,
and that's why you're here. Before we get into the topic,
the two questions I asked returning gets Yeah, what's your
biggest fashion splurge or impulse purchase?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Okay, so I like to be quite calculated about what
I buy because I do like to buy quality pieces
that sometimes cost a bit of money. And I have
to really think about it. But I did recently buy
a dress and I didn't think about it.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I probably thought about it for ten minutes because it
was love. It was just love.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
And honestly it's from a brand called Upreas Studios, which
is Australian made like our prey, like.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
With the s like the ski word. Yeah, okay, yeah,
going skiing. No okay, no, it's actually more like Victorian. Ah. Well,
last time you're on, we talked trends and there was
that we did weird Victorian.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, castle cor, castle Core.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Then I actually said that I wouldn't wear a drop
waist and guess what this has?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
This brand went viral for the bubble mini dress.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I thought that was witchery again. No I don't, I'm
not anti. I just was there the first time, well
the first time for yes.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, So that went viral because Haley Beebe wore it
and very cool.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, it's very cool and very cool.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah, and I was like, okay, so I've been watching them.
The bubble mini dress I found hard because I was like,
I can't wear that every day, but this is a maxi.
It's like a plaid kind of blue and pink pattern heaven.
And it has an elastic top so it things really
nicely like clings to you, but then it pushes out
(03:35):
from where the m so it has a little bit
of a dropped waist. Ok So it kind of like
does a v oh yes, yes, h shapes really nice.
And it's the top like like Les Slaves top is
like a T shirt. Yeah, and it's one hundred percent cotton.
It was a bit spendy. It was around four hundred
dollars handmade though, like it is like, but I really.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Loved it and you're gonna wear the shit out of it.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
I wore it to Easter. My mum loved it.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Okay, gets some mum tick of approval, and I can
wear it to work as well.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, okay, good, all right, so you are quite considered.
I need to learn to not just to click and
not need my credit card. I mean, you wouldn't even
know what it's like to need to go and get
your credit card out of you. Do you have a
style music? If so, who and why?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
I've got two?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Okay, Automatically they spring to mind every time. There's this
one girl called Elsa Ray. She's on TikTok. She's awesome.
She's got around forty thousand followers. She lives in Melbourne's
not too huge, no, not massive, but.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
She's a very cool.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
But she's not afraid to mix patterns where they shouldn't
be and she does it in a very nice way,
and she does color in a considered way, but it
still feels fun. Okay, So I always like, I'm always
saving her videos.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Because fun with fashion. Yeah, very cool, but not like
trying to be generic cool girl cool. You're like quirky.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yes, I hope you take no absolutely, and I think
she does that really well, but she still does it
with pieces that you can get from like the iconic.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, but she's not attainable.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Who's the other one?
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Literally I could literally put you into?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Although I feel like sometimes I wear things if you
wore you'd be like you would be.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Like, no way, no way. Who's the other one?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
The other one is an og YouTuber from America. Her
name is Lexi Lombard and.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
I think like Eve and I've heard that name.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
She's so cool. She's friends with Billie Eilish and stuff like,
she's really cool. She's got say Billy Idol.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
This is the perfect episode for me.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Yeah no, no, but you know, maybe a fan of
Billy Idol baby. So you know how, like obviously love Pinterest.
I'm subscribed to her Pinterest board, and I have a
little widget on my phone home screen and it generates
new images every hour from my saved boards, which I
know might sound a little bit complicated.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I have that from my phone photos my kid as
a baby and stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yes, so it's exactly that, but for your Pinterest boards.
And every time a photo from her board hums up,
I click on it and I'm like, I need that.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And we're going back to the pinter Do you have
to have saved the picture from Pinterest? So it's just
accounts you follow.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Just account you follow or subscribe to. It's the best.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
It's like, so you're surrounding yourself with constant inspiration, like yeah, inspiration.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
You live in the future.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Oh my god, thank god you're here live. I love you.
We talk a lot, We get along. We are twenty
years apart. We are almost I aged myself. Yet you're
twenty five. I'm forty three, so pretty much two decades
between us. And so that makes you technically, gen Z
me a millennial, technically an elder millennial, And I want
to ask you. I know you can't speak for your
(06:49):
entire generation, but how do you feel about all the
content and the articles and the things we say that
says ben Z says, they can tell someone's a millennial
when they wear dot dot dot like that kind of
content that feudes these two generations, mostly women, kind of
against each other.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
It really does and look like it clicks, like it works,
like we know here there at work, absolutely, but personally,
I think it's really tired. And honestly, when I look
at the things that my like gen Z is obsessed
with right now, ballet flats, side parts, peplum, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
But like, where are all those coming from us? Yes?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, exactly, and we're not I don't think we're afraid
to admit that. Like we all know that, and we
all understand that fashion has a cycle.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
It always comes back.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yes, but it's I guess for you guys, we're generalizing here,
but you know, to make the point, it's kind of
like your first time with that trend. Yes, And I
remember twenty years ago thinking I'm so cool and what
my mum wears is so daggy or whatever, but she's like, Babe, iye'
wore that twenty or thirty years ago.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yes, And I think like a really good example when
I was thinking about it was there was an interview
with Apple Martin, Gwyneth's daughter, and Gwyneth has this amazing
archive closet that she's done a tour of and they
asked Apple. I can't remember what publication it was, but
they were like, do you go in there? And her
eyes literally lit up like my eyes would, and she goes, absolutely,
(08:12):
it's my favorite place cut And I was like, yeah,
like we understand that maybe there's a few things that.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
We don't love, Like you don't know, shoe socks. We'll
get into that.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
We'll get into.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
I'm not gonna budge on that I can, but you
guys walked so we could run. Yes, we're taking things
and we're rewriting it. But I also think a big
difference is that we're growing up with like Pinterest and TikTok,
where things happened really fast.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Right, Oh, I bought Dolly or Cleo or Cosmo. I
saved up so once you know, Cosmo and Cleo came
out once a month and we would got that you
had a certain amount of pictures. Yeah, exactly, and then
you saw on out on the TV or a movie. God,
I sound old. So the amount of content and inspiration
that we all have access to now, but we didn't
really grow up in our formative years of deciding what
(09:00):
star was and there were so few stores and there
wasn't online shopping. So yeah, that's a big part of it.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Too, absolutely, And I think that's probably the biggest part
because we are pro grand to know. Okay, tomorrow, I'm
gonna like shift this one thing to be different. If
you guys were always taught to have like a capsual wardrobe, yes,
what fits your body this way?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
All that current shopping, like maybe got a special treat
before Christmas to her in summer and then you bought
some winter stuff because it was cold.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Wow, I sound like I'm from the great No, But
like truly I think that that is a huge difference,
Like we go fast and you guys are more probably
considered all right, so gen Z in general, Yeah, how
do you think they feel about millennials or even gen
(09:48):
X Because you know, Holly and me are both here
at gen X and I think are very stylish. But
in general, do you think older generations that are two
decades three decades older uncol old lady, too different to
what your friends wear.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I think it's like very personal.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I was on Instagram a few days ago and Kate
Middleton popped up and she was wearing a Baker Boy hat,
you know, the like.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, I know what one is, and I, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I didn't you go. I was like, what's this?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
And I then got on the phone to my mum
and she's gen X yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
She was like I had one of those hats and
I was like, I actually really like it.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah, it made me want to buy it. And I
think Vogue called it a style revival or something. They
didn't call it old, they didn't call it hugi or
you know, just lame or anything.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
They were like, it's coming back.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
So I think that I don't think it's about age,
like I really don't. I think it's like there's these
weird mental blocks and I see it in the office.
I see it with people that I talked to that
they're like I just couldn't wear.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
That, yes, And I'm like, but you could, yeah, you
really could. Or I couldn't shop there. I couldn't wear
that because of my age.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah, and that's a mental barrier I've had to overcome,
and you know, don't really think about now, but it's
a lot of the listeners here as well.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Absolutely, And I think I it's hard because obviously there's
things that you're like, my I'm rocked up to, like
family dinner and she was wearing like a Von Dutch
cap and like jaorts.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
I'd be like, okay, like something's wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Totally, And how old he?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Mum?
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Do your mommy asking?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Fifty two?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah? See she's young. That's me or in Holly's age. Yeah,
if your mom did Jaughts with like a really cool shirt,
yeah yeah. Like it's more about the item and how
it's styled across generations, right, rather than an entire look.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Yeah, it's like rewriting it and doing it in your
own way and making sure that it actually still feels
like you. So I guess that's probably what would freak
me out. If mum wore the way that I wore it,
I'd be like, what's going on? But maybe she could like,
you know, maybe should go red Jaughts, and.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I'd be like, oh, yeah, that's cool danim jaw with
a nice shirt.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Actually that's no, No, that's true. I could actually see
like you would fill that ort. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
So as a gen Z and it's someone that professionally
gets paid to run social media. Where do you get
your stylinspo from? Where do you see cool brands, cool trends,
cool looks, cool peace? Because for me, I'm still mostly Instagram. Yeah,
but that was a big departure for me from magazines
and then websites.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Yeh, bogs absolutely mainly TikTok like that. When I really
come down to it and I'm like, Okay, where do
I see something and then want to buy it? It
is always TikTok and I think it has kind of
taken over what would have been magazines for you guys.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yes, and even Instagram. I feel like my generation's kind
of slowly maybe being forced to go on to TikTok.
We love Instagram, but your generation tends to go to
TikTok first for that.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
And I use it as a search engine just as
much as I'll go to Google and be like, Okay,
I want to find a white sneaker, I will look
that up in TikTok first. What so I can see
someone talking about it, and I can see them putting
it on, and I can see them being honest about it. Yeah,
and also I can see how they style it, and
that way, I won't just get the same white sneaker
(13:04):
all over and over again, and I won't just get
that like stock image of it on.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
A white background. Like I'm like, what can I actually
do with that? Nothing?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
So then I'll watch this video see how I style it.
If I like the whole outfit screenshot. Asos, which I
really love, has this feature where you can upload a
screenshotted voto and you can put it into their search
engine and they'll just pop out.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
All the similar similar part. I've seen what the little
button on the website and I was like, that looks
like the future.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
It is actually the future.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I know how to reverse Google image. Yeah that's good too,
but it's not as good.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
It's not as good. It's not as good.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Would you say you follow fashion trends? I mean, I
get to blame my job and I think that I'm
original and stylish, but I really do follow a lot
of fashion trends each season, and I'm happy to admit it.
I'm a bit of a sheep. I'm kind of a
mid sheep. I'm not a leader, but I'm not a follower.
Do you think you follow trends and I feel like
your generation don't as much, or maybe we're just seeing
(13:59):
a whole different world of trends that aren't Yeah, because
I'm not looking away your trends are.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I think it's hard because, like, you could probably find
someone that dresses exactly the same way as you now
in probably like five minutes, so everything kind.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Of feels like you.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, Like I really struggle with that, I think like
half the time because it is very important to me
that I feel like I'm dressing as myself and like
in an individual way. But there's like memes at the
moment that are like, have I ever had an original thought?
Because you see people doing the same thing as you,
even if you thought you were the first person.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
In the world to do it.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, there's like three sneakers that are on my wish
list right now.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Well, tell me about the place.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Bad Bunny has a new collab with Addidas. It's like
a ballerina shoe.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I have seen those. I thought Bad Bunny was the
brand to start with.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
I was like, oh my God, I'm the singer he
dated Kendall Jennifer a little bit.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I never heard of him. Okay, what's the next one?
Speaker 3 (14:49):
The other one is Essex has done this collab with
a brand called MFG Story MFG and it's Gingham and
so the whole thing is in a Gingham pattern.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
It's really cute. Looks like a little picnic.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Another one which will be interesting for you, and I
actually think you could look really good in these.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Do you know the brand Merril?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
No, isn't it? I? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah? Is it like a raincoat brand or something like?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
It's like they're like a hiking brand.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah, like so like outdoor.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
But they're having a bit of a rebrand and I
would die to see you in these shoes. They're doing
this like rebrand and they're cool now. Like I was
just in Tokyo, which you were was amazing. Whole other
topic we need to cover whole other topic. But they
had a storefront in Shibuyah, and I was like, Okay,
I'm clocking this, like you guys are on the rise. Okay,
(15:40):
because if it's in Tokyo and if they have a storefront,
something's going on.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Okay. But what did the shoe look like?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
They look like dad shoes, but there's.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
One dad sneaker.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah, but they can get really hikey, like okay, like
you really are going for a track. But there's one
specific pair that is a leather woven slip on kind
of slide but it's closed toe.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Okay, it sounds okay and not in Crocteray is it?
Does it feel krocky?
Speaker 1 (16:07):
I wouldn't say no, oh god, but it's just cool.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
But see, that's where I think it's so clever of you.
Maybe because of your generation or your job that you've
seen that I would have falled past and gone ugly shoe,
ugly shop, keep going. Maybe that's why I keep shopping
in the same way.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I most think. We have this thing where it's like,
if it's ugly, we'll like it. The uglier the better.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
I do feel like that you can't be wearing a
shoe like that with an outfit that doesn't feel delicate.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Or a balance.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Yeah, you've got a balance, you know, the wrong shoe theory. Yes,
So you put your outfit on and then you go,
what shoe would I never wear with this?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
And you put that shoe on? Yeah, and that's a
good outfit. It kind of stems into.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
That I like that your generation knows that hairy.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, we're gonna play a game. We both have to answer.
I have at never thought about mine, yeah, twenty years apart.
We both answer what we'd likely to wear to these
following occasions. So clothes, use accessories, all of it. Okay,
(17:10):
the first scenario, you're going to and I'm going to
it's dinner with friends, so male female, and we're at
quite a fancy restaurant. And then we're going to a
bar after to people of your aage go to a bar, yes,
oh good, Okay, go to a bar. What are you wearing?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
I will probably go.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
You know, I am a sucker for the trend at
the moment with the sheer skirtes.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I love the sheer skirt.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I both call me onto my favorite run from Verge
Girl that you said you were gonna buy and I
bought a first. If we don't hang out.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
I'm still you're together, but I'd probably go. Let's say
that skirt. I'd go that skirt and just an oversized
T shirt. We've got a few situations that you're going
to give me. I could wear maybe all of my
suggestions to any of them, which is interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
But we're not anti. This is we're at a fancy restaurant,
So what shoe were you doing?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
I would do a kitten heel. Okay, I love a
kitten heel. One of my favorite kittenhels at the moment
is from Zara. It's got a leopard print on it
with a little bow. Looks very ninety and then a
bit of patent clashing there.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Catch would tickle my brain.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
And the skirt is quite dressy, so the t shirt
okay for the fanciness, and.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
I would do like a pretty statement necklace and gold hoops.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Okay, I'm vibing that. Yeah. I probably would wear a
sheer skirt too, because I skied, you know, a Maxi
skirt or lacey sheerie. But I don't think i'd do
a tea to a fancy restaurant I've been loving. It's
not a single top, but it's a sleeveless sort of
lower neck but long enough to cover the bum and
the front. Not actually i've seen you, so that not
(18:35):
everyone's seeing my undies. I'd probably do a higher heel
because I still have that hangover from where we fancy
restaurant means high heel your generation doesn't have. We don't,
and probably a blazer, nice oversized. Yes, all right, you're
going to brunch with your girl group. Yes, I would do.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
A cute little like a mini dress and the knee
high boots. Oh wow, yeah, but not healed like the
flat knee high. Or I would do a coored okay, yeah,
so like double denim, something like that, sneak denim, like
I wouldn't do a kitten heel.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
Okay, no, right, no, I wouldn't do a sneaker with
the ministress. Yeah, okay, and your socks, because you loves socks.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah, snick always ankle length socks always, probably a poper color.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Okay. I'm going to wear my high waisted barrel leg jeans,
of which I have seven hundred and fifty pairs. I
try and wear sandals for as long as they can
because I hate winter shoes. But if it's cold, I
do a loafer.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
I don't really do a lot of trainers or sneakers.
And I'm gonna do a T shirt, probably a plain
T shirt like I've got on today with a belt,
or a T shirt with a respectable logo, like an
anine being or something that says I'm a bit fancy,
but it's not like chill Louis Bitton. Yeah nice, that's me.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So you're going to a work related event, I guess
in our industry so creative. You're not going to the ballet?
Maybe you are, But what would you wear with the
work stuff?
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I would probably go with the suit, but a colored suit,
and then I'll do a graphic tea under it.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Oh cool, prribly with an image. See yes, it's a
bit of like.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
You can see something popping out. Yeah, I'm vibing that,
and that's very mea yeah, like.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
A Meryl Streep like can you imagine you've got like
a matching suit on and then Meryl Streep is like
just on your shirt?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
And what's our footwear for this work event?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I would probably do a little kitten hill as well.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Okay, good, just to like you know, for me, I
do still go to a lot of work events. I
am generally a low kitten heel, maybe even a loafer
if it's not that dressy. I don't believe into string
straps or anything too thin for a shoulder for anything
work related. But again that's a hangover from my old days.
Or if I do, everything else has to be very covered.
(20:48):
So I would probably do like a pant, like a
nice wide leg pant, and probably a shirt.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Looks very simple and very simple.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
What I could I guess I could be in a
lawyer's office, live James. Thank you for representing your wonderful
generation who can run because we walked. And I love
that we're trying to put to rest the generational war
fashion because yeah, fun, yes, and it's.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Close of fun. I'm good, lad for rich, absolutely, Thank
you so much for having.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Me, thank you for joining me, thank you for listening
to Nothing to Wear, and don't forget to sign up
to the matching newsletter. There's a link in the show
notes and it's free. See you next week. This episode
was produced by Molly Harwood, with audio production by Lou Hill.
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