October 6, 2025 • 27 mins
The former Home and Away star just revealed she'd "one thousand percent" discourage teenage modelling - despite winning Dolly's competition herself at 14.
At 41, Pia Whitesell has never felt more comfortable in her skin, which is exactly why Olay chose her as their new ambassador. This week, Kelly's chatting with the actress about her complete beauty evolution and why the Hello Better Me campaign speaks to women who want progress over perfection.
She's serving up some serious reality checks about the modelling industry, why becoming a mum changed everything about her beauty priorities, and how she's learned that "the most powerful beauty ritual is backing yourself." Plus, she spills on her Kardashian-level glam for her 40th birthday and opens up about learning to love the one facial quirk that used to make her feel insecure.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
that this podcast is recorded.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
On Makeup is My Therapy.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I'm in love, I'm obsessed and I don't even feel.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Guilty about it.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Hello, and welcome to you beauty. This is the podcast
for your face. This is the formula, and I'm Kelly
McCarran and today you're in for such a treat because
I've got the absolutely beautiful and outstandingly delightful.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Peer White Soul here.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
We're not here, actually we're doing it via the television
because she's over in LA. But we have such a
beautiful chat about redefining what beauty means and just so
many incredible things.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
So I hope you enjoyed this conversation.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
You are such beautiful skilled.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
But how okay?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
So, Pierre, we are so excited to have you here
New Beauty. You started in the industry by winning Dolly
modeling competition as a teenager. Then you went on to
being Home and Away, and then you are now an ambassador.
You've also done many other things, but you are now
an ambassador for a global brand.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
How has your relationship with beauty.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
And your appearents evolved from the early Dolly days too.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Now because you've had quite the career.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, I think with all of the lived experience that
I have had in the industry, I think it starts
becoming a lot less outward and a lot more inward.
So the way that you take on beauty, the way
that you take on lifestyle changes, the way that you
take on health.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
It all starts becoming about, Okay, what makes me feel.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Good, what's going to make me perform better, what's going
to give me joy, what's going to fill my cut
from the inside. And I think that when I was younger,
obviously in the Dolly days particularly, you know, it's a
lot more outward. It's about you know, what are people
going to think? And you know, am I going to
impress this person that way? Or you know what a
casting director is going to think of?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Dada da da?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And it's just it's so much of its outward and
the validation from external validation was really the thing that
was driving the ship. But now I think, you know,
in you know, I'm forty one years old, I just
don't care.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, yeah, I'm just like, I'm just like, what.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Makes me feel good, what puts a smile on my face,
what makes my relationships with others better, And so it's
just it's just a reframing of the way that we
think of health, beauty, and lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I completely agree.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
And sometimes people will say like, oh, you just seem
so confident, and I genuinely do think the older you get,
it's also, as you said, you just don't care, like
you literally just don't give a fuck what anyone thinks.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
But the younger you are, you do, You're like, oh
I care, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah, so you've experienced, I'm assuming, given the industry decades
of beauty industry pressure from a very young age. Because
how old were you when you won the Dolly comp
Titian a teenager fourteen, so that's very young. How did
that shape your initial perspective on aging compared to now?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Again, you know, beauty standards were so external. Everything was
outside of his Everything was about you know, what these
celebrities look like, or these models, or you know, even
even people that you love, even your own family, my aunts,
you know, my aunts who I look up.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
To, my mother who I looked up to, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Set a high standard of beauty and presentation and you know,
less stunners. But it was always like trying to get
to a level and atteen something.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
That is external. And you know, I remember when I
was young.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I was obsessed with Christy Turlington, you know, and I
was obsessed with all the ninety supermodels. I just thought
that they were just these like studying gorgeous women. And
then what really changed was when I heard them, you know, speak,
and when I'd see interviews and they're just so human
and it's like, oh, having their own experience. You know,
they're not waking up like that, they're not jumping out
(04:14):
of bad feeling like that. They're also on their own
journeys to you know, wherever they are, whether it's on
the cover of magazine, catwalk, at home, in their pgs, whatever.
You know, there's a life that comes with it. And
I think everything is about like this outward attaining this
status that you want to get to or this certain
(04:34):
place that you want to arrive at.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And then you realize, oh.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
It's actually all about the journey, and you know, all
of the beauty is in those moments of the journey
of it. And you know, I mean I've started modeling young,
but then I also became a mother really young too,
and that changed everything.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yes, And I think that as you get older and
go through a lot of those like different lived experiences,
you do realize, as you were saying, it's about doing
things that give you that instrinsic value rather than the
extensic stuff, because you realize that it just doesn't matter
as much. So you have said that you're in your
(05:13):
forties and you've never felt more comfortable in your skin.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Talk to us about how that has evolved.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Would you say that it's something that's happened over the
past couple of decades, more since you became a mum,
or more recently as you entered your late thirties and
stopped caring as much.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, I mean, I would say definitely becoming a mother,
and you know, you're outside of yourself in a sense
that everything is about the baby, and then everything's about
this child, and then your purpose and your reason for
being exists in this relationship.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Right. So then the again, like we said earlier, you
just don't give a shit.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
You don't have time. You just don't have time.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Don't have time.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
So that's why, like efficiency, it becomes really important things
that are simple but effective, things that you know, just work,
things that you can rely on, you know, products that try,
true and tested, cut through the bullshit. You don't need
to even worry about it. You know, you don't have
time for your you know, one hour skin routine, Like
it's like no one has the time for that. So
(06:20):
there's that side of it, and then there's also like
the beautiful, holistic side of it. It's like you're in
you know, this exchange and relationship with this child, and
they don't see you're pretty.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
They don't see any of that, like none of that matters.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
And so the way that you change it in your
own mind, you know, the self worth, the confidence, the
value is no longer associated with what you're projecting outwardly.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Because they also couldn't care less. As you said, they
don't know if you're pretty or not because to them
and especially I mean, I'm sure that people that have
daughters would say the same. But there's something little boys
and the obsession that they have with their moms and
how they think that we are literally the most beautiful,
exquisite person in the entire world. First thing in the morning,
(07:10):
when we wake up and look like something that the
dog vomited, Like they just think that we're the best
thing ever.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Like not Fiona, and they're like, oh, yeah, you're the
best mummy.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
What would you say to that fourteen year old girl
who won that modeling competition about beauty and self worth?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I would say to her, you don't even know, you know,
with maturity and with like I said, just lived experience.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
You learned so much.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
You learn so much about yourself, you learn so much
about relationship with others, you learn so much about time management.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I would just say to her, you don't know yet,
but when you do, oh my god, it's glorious when
it clicks in and you're like, you know, I'm good,
you know, and it's it's not like a cocky thing. Yeah,
that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
It's confident.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
It's just you've just arrived, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Arrived, and arrived it at being authentic and you're like,
take it or leave it.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Do you think if you'd had a daughter and she
wanted to do a Dolly modeling competition, if it still
existed when she was that age, knowing everything you did
later and everything that you'd learned and been through on
the way, would you have encouraged or discouraged such a
venture for a fourteen year old.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I would have discouraged.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I would have one thousand percent have discouraged that.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
It's interesting. I'm going through this at the moment with
my niece.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I'm sure she won't mind me talking about it, but
she's she's beautiful, and she's had a lot of knocks
on the door about modeling, and you know, she's she's
a teenager and aunt.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
If here is like absolutely.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Not, Yeah, fish scool, We'll go to UNI, We'll figure
out what our vocation is in this life, and then
once we're done there, then we can then for sure, Yeah, absolutely,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You know, but by then you've got figured out in
your own mind what it is.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
That you want to do, you know exactly, and you're
not sort of growing up with so much emphasis on
what you can offer purely from a physical point of view.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
So congratulations because you are Olay's newest ambassador and I
am a recent convert to the collagen peptide cream. Oh
my goodness, it's just so good. I had not used
Olay for years, Like you know, it was something that
my mum used growing up. I hadn't used it for years,
and I'm just so impressed what drew you to the
(09:50):
Hello Better Me campaign specifically, as I'm sure that you
would get a lot of job offers coming through, So
what made you go, you know what, Yes, OLEA, I
will do this.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So when I moved here, when I moved to La
nearly five years ago, now, I took a break from acting, modeling,
everything really to focus on my kids and to focus
on lack of bum business.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
And I was like, no, I don't need to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
And then after that hiatus, this job came about and
I was like, huh interesting.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I'm like, I'm curious.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
It actually sparked my curiosity and something in my brain went,
oh no, this is tried and true. This is an
OG product, Like you've seen this in your grandmother's like
draw in your mother's draw, Like this is OG, Like
this is the real thing. And so you know, I
(10:41):
remember using early, like the pump, the cream, I remember
all of it.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
And when I learned.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
About these products and I started trying them out, I
was like, oh no, this this I can actually like
get behind like I'm not just just brooking whatever.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
This was like oh no, this this works. And so
I was just really excited about it, and I'm like, yeah,
I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah, the og aspect of it, I was like, oh,
like I can really speak to this, you know, and
the ultro Firm serum try it like that they're saying
is like, you know, it's like a facelift in a
bottle or whatever. But it literally it's so lightweight and
it's so effective, and it just it works. It works
on the makeup, it works as a primer, it works
(11:23):
as a nighttime thing.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Like it is good. I see a difference.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I'm like, I'm just excited to get behind something that
I truly believe in and that I see a difference with.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
And again, it's a thing that you.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Put it on the shelf and then you can get
rid of a bunch of other stuff that just doesn't.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Serve exactly and you can pick it up at the pharmacy.
You don't have to go into a Mecca Sack or
a Data Jones and spend three hundred dollars on a
serum that you're like, oh, I don't know if it's
going to work.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I'm a big pharmacy, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I love like Maker, I love like alf I love
Ny eggs.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I love high low stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
You know, obviously I have a bunch of really luxurious
things and that's fine, and you know I get given
a lot of things just in my industry.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
But yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Yeah, always go back to and it's the fun of
finding really affordable things so that then you can show.
You know, you might be holding a really beautiful design handbag,
but then someone's like, oh, and what is on your
lips and you're like, oh, my goodness, it was twenty dollars.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
You know, I just picked it up my case. It's
actually sorry you are in la.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Yeah, you can go down to a CBS and find
selling four to four dollars, but yeah, twenty dollars in
Australia is pretty affordable these days. O. The campaign that
we're talking about, the Hello, Better Me campaign, centers around
reframing the mirror from self critique to self celebration.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
How has your.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Own relationship with the mirror changed over the years and
did it change through COVID when we had to look
at ourselves a lot more than we used to.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
That's a good question. I've always you know, I don't know.
I think my mom, we're going.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
To give us some props here because I think she
always made me feel even when I was muddeling, even
when I was a little girl, and then you know,
I was going to castings and I was you know,
like put up against other girls for jobs or whatever.
Like she always instilled in me like a real like
sense of joy in myself. Like she always allowed me to,
(13:24):
like you know, find the little quirks and the little
things that made me me and would actually say to me.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Like go smile at her, Like go smile at her.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
So I always kind of did grow up with this
sense of like, you know, it's not about the makeup
and the hair and whatever, even though I've got a
face full of makeup and my hair is done right now,
but you know, it's a little quirks that I you know,
I've always kind of found the funny in and kind
of found the joy in, and so that has only
grown deeper, you know, because now I can really take
(13:56):
the piss out of myself.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
You're Australian at your heart, right, so.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Now really just now I'm like, I'm brutal, I'm savage,
But you know it's it's finding the funny in it,
Like it's it's there is a jaw. There is a joy,
There is a funny, there is there is you know,
like a little bit of a.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
You know you kind of lighthearted humor.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, there's so much more. There's stuff that is really
you know, serious, and there's stuff that.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Is really important, and those things, you know, we take
that way.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
But you know, if you've got like a huge is
it or you know, like it's in hair or.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Whatever, funny funny and it doesn't matter, you know, gray hair.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Like with the tweezing tweezing.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
It out my roots, I'm like, oh no, for goodness,
none of it matters. And I think sometimes people find
that a little bit discombobulating if I say something like that.
You know, we are the biggest beauty podcast in Australia,
so we talk about beauty, objective beauty and products all
the time. But it is just also that the joy
(15:00):
in those little moments, whether it's putting on a lipstick
and how that makes you feel, but also exactly like
you said, just still taking the piss and realizing that
it's not that serious.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
We can be lighthearted about it. It's just fun.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
It is. Obviously, everyone has a different experience in a
different journey with it. But you know, my experience.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
At the moment is just like I don't know, just
just enjoying it, having fun with it, taking the pierce,
you know, being silly whatever. And I actually think, you know,
I'm turning forty two this year, and I you know.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I feel like I've arrived. Yeah, you know, oh cool,
like this is what I look like.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Great, I'm like, oh shit, a couple of little little
lines there or but it's like this is it, and
you know, and I love it all. I'm like, I'm
grateful for it all because it know, all tells the story.
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Well, I love that they say that it's not like
changing that perception from a sign of aging to a
sign of resilience. Yeah, so they're not just lines on
your face, like they tell different stories. So what would
you say are some of your signs of resilience.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Well, obviously we've got a lot of smile lines around
around the eyes, you know, so there's been a lot
of smiles. And then you know, just I get this
crazy vein that goes right here right like when I'm
when I'm angry or when I'm mad, and I remember
being really insecure about it, like, oh you know, I
get this vain and my husband was like, it's one
(16:34):
of the things that I love most about you. Like
you're kind of you're talking from the inside through your face,
you know.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Like we're talking from the vein. The vein is speaking.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
The vein is speaking, and it's like, I'm either like
it's and it's really easy either when I'm like pissed
or when I'm like in raptures of laughter. And you know,
I remember being insecure about it, and now I'm like,
this is one of those things that it's a funny like.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yeah, vein is talking, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
So that's one of you know that doesn't really answer
the question properly, but it is one of the things
that actually it's something that I wear on my face,
on my physical being that I really enjoy it now
whereas I used to find it, you know, it used
to be.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Insecure about it. It's all like you've really got me engaged.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Because the vein's out. I'm really enjoying this conversation. If
the vein's out, it's so funny. I actually get exactly
the same vein. Maybe it's something that and but I
get mine if I'm really upset about something So if
I'm on the phone to my sister and I'm crying
or I'm really upset, she will to lighten the mood.
And now my mum's in on this joke about my
(17:44):
vein because it's its own person sometimes and they'll be like,
how upset are you? On a scale of like where
is the vein out? Has the vein made its appearance?
Because it starts making its little wait and then that
immediately lightens the mood because I just start laughing because
I'll think, oh goodness, yes, or I'll look in the
mirror and go, yep, she's she's out, she's pulsating. Can
(18:12):
you talk us through your beauty routine? So, taking all
of this into consideration, what like, are you a twenty
one step skincare gal? I'm assuming no everything that we've
discussed thus far, but can you talk us through what
you're sort of doing in the morning nighttime. I know
(18:32):
you said that you do have someone that does hair
and makeup for you for occasions, but just what you
like to do yourself.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I love a shower, I love a shower routine.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I mean that's good. You might be a bit sele
you didn't.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
That's where I like doing my things like I like,
you know, using like an.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Exfoliator on my face in the shower, and I like
using like a body scrub in the shower or like
a shower oil.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
I do love a shower moment.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I have like three different facial cleansers that I like
rotate between or use them all.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
At once, depending on how I'm feeling or how much
time I have.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
So the shower moment is the moment where it starts
for me, and then I get out of the shower.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Then I moisturize. That's where the old lake collajoen or
the peptide cream comes in. I'm like, yep, moisturize.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Then I will go pop the coffee on, come back up.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Then I like to do a daytime under.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I cream or a serum, and I don't like using
one with retino obviously during the day, so I just
use one that's more cooling or like anti puffing.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
At nighttime. I like a Retino one. So that's that,
and then I go in with like little concealer on spots.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
You know, I've got pigmentation at the moments crazy because
because summer sum here and malasma above my lips and
like malasma off here, so I'm like, okay, let's conceal that.
So this is now we're going into my makeup routine.
So that's with skin carries.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
One and like very quick shower like and we're ready
and now we're in makeup and it's just a little
concealer and then it's bronzer blush.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
It's always it's like I want to look fresh, I
want to look like I've you know, been awake for hours,
even though i haven't.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
But then if I've got something.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Or an event or whatever, then it's always the brown
eyeliner like that is in the waterline.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I don't know. I've been doing it since I was
a kid. It's something that I feel like now is
my eyes don't look.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Right if I don't have it in and then eyelash
curler and then a little bit of macabum lips and
then I'm out.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
So it is kind of simple.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Then if I'm going out, then I'll put mascara on.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Then I'll actually do lipstick lip liner, but otherwise I
keep it quite simple.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Do you prefer I mean, sorry to any makeup artists
that are listening, but would you prefer to do your
own makeup for special events or have someone else do
it for you.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I've done my own makeup for events. I find that,
for whatever reason, when it photographs photographs differently, it doesn't photograph. Yeah,
when a makeup artist, I don't know if they do
different layers of it or you know, they're contouring, they're powdering,
they're light dark, shade everything. It always looks better when
a makeup artist does it when there's photos. If it's
(21:13):
just me at an event and there are no photos,
I actually prefer my own makeup.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
But yeah, it's like I don't know the flash or whatever.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
It's just I think it's like I'm not wearing makeup.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Yeah, it's a combination of they use a lot more
makeup than we would if we were doing our own makeup,
and also they use different sorts. Because I could not agree.
I actually wait prefer my face if I've done my makeup,
but yeah, if I look at it under really intense
lights or photos, it tends to look like I'm not
(21:44):
wearing anything, whereas if a makeup artist does it much better.
Do you have any moments of glam that stick out
in your mind? Red carpet moments that you just they're
your favorites to look back on.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yes, actually like what pops out your fodio.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah. Fortieth birthday, I got this amazing makeup artist from
La called Diana Shin and.
Speaker 8 (22:07):
She was the first person that ever did because in
Australia we actually we have incredible makeup artists, but they
do a really beautiful kind of natural, beachy like undone
but done.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Even when I do like full glam for an event
or something in Australia, it's always it's just classic. It's
like you know, a winged liner and it's just always clean.
For my fortieth here in La, we went like full
like Kardashian makeup right and it was the first time
I've ever done it, first time I've ever done it, and.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I didn't know what my face would respond. Like, girl,
I was like, this is amazing.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
It was hours and hours and hours, but oh my god,
the contouring, the like the different levels of contour and
then the highlighting and then the powder and then the
overdrawn lip and then the lashes, like it was so extra.
But I was like, oh, this is a vibe. I mean,
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I'm not going to ever do it again. Fortieth birthday great.
But it was like I was like, this is cool.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, fun to do for something like your fortieth as well.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
It was really like it was almost like costume makeup.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yes, well it is like.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah it was costume makeup. It wasn't like, oh, we're
making Pierre look like Pierre. It was like, oh, we're
gonna take Peer's face and just do full.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Glassy yeah, and it was really cool.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
I was like, Wow, we'll have to include a photo
in the video so that people can say, because yeah,
I really want to see it.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I think that would have looked beautiful.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
And on the what you personally do with your skin
and like your beauty routine. Are you a lover of
different treatments? Do you get any different treatments? I personally
love RF needling, although it's been a while since I've
had it, But or are you too busy?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I've got an amazing lady here. She was recommended by
a bunch of friends and she's awesome.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
But in terms of like needling or anything like that,
I pigment.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
So I'm one of those people that's when I get
a cut or even like a.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Scrape or what like, I scar yeap.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
So I'm really scared about doing anything like that or
any lasers or anything because I feel like just the
melanin in my skin will you know.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
And other people have said to me like they're like, oh,
I'd be afraid to put a laser to it.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
I'm not sure we should do a patch test here.
So I've just avoided needles and lasers. But yeah, but
the time will come though where I'm like, all.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Right, yeah, I need some extra help here.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
But for now, I'm like all right, I've avoided it,
and you know, I mean I do do little bits
here and there, but in terms of like lasers.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Like frequent. Yeah, do you like a facial some people
don't like to.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Do it's just like you know, they're like ninety minutes.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, I get restlessly.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, all of the beauty things take so long, like nails. Yeah,
we need, like people need to come up with something
that's a lot more efficient.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I do have a red bed though in the house,
so like a big full body red bed, so I
read bed a lot. And actually the light therapy is
a part of the facial that my facialist does, so
I'm like I'm kind of using my biohack red bed
to kind of do.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
The whole thing.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah, that's also for it.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
And the red bed is twenty minutes.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
It's also meant to be really good for relaxing you
your sleep, Like I've read so many benefits about having
one of those.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I mean, Patrick and I use it all the time.
Kids use it.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
It's really good for like just cellular renewal and then
for college and boosting and getting rid of zombie cells
that are in the body just sitting there stagnant taking
up room. So that's what they say. Yeah, you know,
I'm like, okay, I'll believe it.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
If Brian Johnson recommends something, I'm like, well, it must
be good. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Andrew Huberman, yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
If they say that something is good, I'm like, I
will look into it.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Then. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Well, we can't thank you enough for sparing your time.
We know how busy you are and you're also on
the other side of the world at the moment, so
thank you so much and hopefully we can catch up
when you're in Australia for some Oley celebrations later in
the year.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Thank you so much for having me. This is really fun.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Thank you Peer White Cell.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
They're proving the journey from teenage model to a confident
woman in her forties can completely redefine what beauty means.
If today's chat has you looking at your own reflection differently,
seeing signs of resilience instead of just signs of time passing,
then that's exactly what the whole campaign is about. And
while we were talking, I didn't want to butt in
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too much, but it was reminding me of I was
complaining about the lines around my eyes once upon a time,
and an ex boyfriend goes, Oh, I really like those
lines around your eyes because they show how happy you are.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
And I just thought that was such a really stuck
out to me because I just thought it was such
a special.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Way to look at lions, and Yeah, you are at
your most beautiful right here, right now.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Thank you so much for listening to this episode of
the Formula.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
I'm Kelly McCarron and I'll be back in your ears
and eyes next Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Bye.
You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
On Makeup is My Therapy.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I'm in love, I'm obsessed and I don't even feel.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Guilty about it.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Hello, and welcome to you beauty. This is the podcast
for your face. This is the formula, and I'm Kelly
McCarran and today you're in for such a treat because
I've got the absolutely beautiful and outstandingly delightful.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Peer White Soul here.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
We're not here, actually we're doing it via the television
because she's over in LA. But we have such a
beautiful chat about redefining what beauty means and just so
many incredible things.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
So I hope you enjoyed this conversation.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
You are such beautiful skilled.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
But how okay?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
So, Pierre, we are so excited to have you here
New Beauty. You started in the industry by winning Dolly
modeling competition as a teenager. Then you went on to
being Home and Away, and then you are now an ambassador.
You've also done many other things, but you are now
an ambassador for a global brand.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
How has your relationship with beauty.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
And your appearents evolved from the early Dolly days too.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Now because you've had quite the career.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, I think with all of the lived experience that
I have had in the industry, I think it starts
becoming a lot less outward and a lot more inward.
So the way that you take on beauty, the way
that you take on lifestyle changes, the way that you
take on health.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
It all starts becoming about, Okay, what makes me feel.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Good, what's going to make me perform better, what's going
to give me joy, what's going to fill my cut
from the inside. And I think that when I was younger,
obviously in the Dolly days particularly, you know, it's a
lot more outward. It's about you know, what are people
going to think? And you know, am I going to
impress this person that way? Or you know what a
casting director is going to think of?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Dada da da?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
And it's just it's so much of its outward and
the validation from external validation was really the thing that
was driving the ship. But now I think, you know,
in you know, I'm forty one years old, I just
don't care.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yeah, yeah, I'm just like, I'm just like, what.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Makes me feel good, what puts a smile on my face,
what makes my relationships with others better, And so it's
just it's just a reframing of the way that we
think of health, beauty, and lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I completely agree.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
And sometimes people will say like, oh, you just seem
so confident, and I genuinely do think the older you get,
it's also, as you said, you just don't care, like
you literally just don't give a fuck what anyone thinks.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
But the younger you are, you do, You're like, oh
I care, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Yeah, so you've experienced, I'm assuming, given the industry decades
of beauty industry pressure from a very young age. Because
how old were you when you won the Dolly comp
Titian a teenager fourteen, so that's very young. How did
that shape your initial perspective on aging compared to now?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Again, you know, beauty standards were so external. Everything was
outside of his Everything was about you know, what these
celebrities look like, or these models, or you know, even
even people that you love, even your own family, my aunts,
you know, my aunts who I look up.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
To, my mother who I looked up to, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Set a high standard of beauty and presentation and you know,
less stunners. But it was always like trying to get
to a level and atteen something.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
That is external. And you know, I remember when I
was young.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I was obsessed with Christy Turlington, you know, and I
was obsessed with all the ninety supermodels. I just thought
that they were just these like studying gorgeous women. And
then what really changed was when I heard them, you know, speak,
and when I'd see interviews and they're just so human
and it's like, oh, having their own experience. You know,
they're not waking up like that, they're not jumping out
(04:14):
of bad feeling like that. They're also on their own
journeys to you know, wherever they are, whether it's on
the cover of magazine, catwalk, at home, in their pgs, whatever.
You know, there's a life that comes with it. And
I think everything is about like this outward attaining this
status that you want to get to or this certain
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place that you want to arrive at.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
And then you realize, oh.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
It's actually all about the journey, and you know, all
of the beauty is in those moments of the journey
of it. And you know, I mean I've started modeling young,
but then I also became a mother really young too,
and that changed everything.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yes, And I think that as you get older and
go through a lot of those like different lived experiences,
you do realize, as you were saying, it's about doing
things that give you that instrinsic value rather than the
extensic stuff, because you realize that it just doesn't matter
as much. So you have said that you're in your
(05:13):
forties and you've never felt more comfortable in your skin.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Talk to us about how that has evolved.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Would you say that it's something that's happened over the
past couple of decades, more since you became a mum,
or more recently as you entered your late thirties and
stopped caring as much.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, I mean, I would say definitely becoming a mother,
and you know, you're outside of yourself in a sense
that everything is about the baby, and then everything's about
this child, and then your purpose and your reason for
being exists in this relationship.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Right. So then the again, like we said earlier, you
just don't give a shit.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
You don't have time. You just don't have time.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Don't have time.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
So that's why, like efficiency, it becomes really important things
that are simple but effective, things that you know, just work,
things that you can rely on, you know, products that try,
true and tested, cut through the bullshit. You don't need
to even worry about it. You know, you don't have
time for your you know, one hour skin routine, Like
it's like no one has the time for that. So
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there's that side of it, and then there's also like
the beautiful, holistic side of it. It's like you're in
you know, this exchange and relationship with this child, and
they don't see you're pretty.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
They don't see any of that, like none of that matters.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
And so the way that you change it in your
own mind, you know, the self worth, the confidence, the
value is no longer associated with what you're projecting outwardly.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Because they also couldn't care less. As you said, they
don't know if you're pretty or not because to them
and especially I mean, I'm sure that people that have
daughters would say the same. But there's something little boys
and the obsession that they have with their moms and
how they think that we are literally the most beautiful,
exquisite person in the entire world. First thing in the morning,
(07:10):
when we wake up and look like something that the
dog vomited, Like they just think that we're the best
thing ever.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Like not Fiona, and they're like, oh, yeah, you're the
best mummy.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
What would you say to that fourteen year old girl
who won that modeling competition about beauty and self worth?
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I would say to her, you don't even know, you know,
with maturity and with like I said, just lived experience.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
You learned so much.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
You learn so much about yourself, you learn so much
about relationship with others, you learn so much about time management.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I would just say to her, you don't know yet,
but when you do, oh my god, it's glorious when
it clicks in and you're like, you know, I'm good,
you know, and it's it's not like a cocky thing. Yeah,
that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
It's confident.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
It's just you've just arrived, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Arrived, and arrived it at being authentic and you're like,
take it or leave it.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Do you think if you'd had a daughter and she
wanted to do a Dolly modeling competition, if it still
existed when she was that age, knowing everything you did
later and everything that you'd learned and been through on
the way, would you have encouraged or discouraged such a
venture for a fourteen year old.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
I would have discouraged.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I would have one thousand percent have discouraged that.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
It's interesting. I'm going through this at the moment with
my niece.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I'm sure she won't mind me talking about it, but
she's she's beautiful, and she's had a lot of knocks
on the door about modeling, and you know, she's she's
a teenager and aunt.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
If here is like absolutely.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
Not, Yeah, fish scool, We'll go to UNI, We'll figure
out what our vocation is in this life, and then
once we're done there, then we can then for sure, Yeah, absolutely,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You know, but by then you've got figured out in
your own mind what it is.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
That you want to do, you know exactly, and you're
not sort of growing up with so much emphasis on
what you can offer purely from a physical point of view.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
So congratulations because you are Olay's newest ambassador and I
am a recent convert to the collagen peptide cream. Oh
my goodness, it's just so good. I had not used
Olay for years, Like you know, it was something that
my mum used growing up. I hadn't used it for years,
and I'm just so impressed what drew you to the
(09:50):
Hello Better Me campaign specifically, as I'm sure that you
would get a lot of job offers coming through, So
what made you go, you know what, Yes, OLEA, I
will do this.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
So when I moved here, when I moved to La
nearly five years ago, now, I took a break from acting, modeling,
everything really to focus on my kids and to focus
on lack of bum business.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
And I was like, no, I don't need to do it.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
And then after that hiatus, this job came about and
I was like, huh interesting.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
I'm like, I'm curious.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
It actually sparked my curiosity and something in my brain went,
oh no, this is tried and true. This is an
OG product, Like you've seen this in your grandmother's like
draw in your mother's draw, Like this is OG, Like
this is the real thing. And so you know, I
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remember using early, like the pump, the cream, I remember
all of it.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
And when I learned.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
About these products and I started trying them out, I
was like, oh no, this this I can actually like
get behind like I'm not just just brooking whatever.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
This was like oh no, this this works. And so
I was just really excited about it, and I'm like, yeah,
I'll do it.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah, the og aspect of it, I was like, oh,
like I can really speak to this, you know, and
the ultro Firm serum try it like that they're saying
is like, you know, it's like a facelift in a
bottle or whatever. But it literally it's so lightweight and
it's so effective, and it just it works. It works
on the makeup, it works as a primer, it works
(11:23):
as a nighttime thing.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Like it is good. I see a difference.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I'm like, I'm just excited to get behind something that
I truly believe in and that I see a difference with.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
And again, it's a thing that you.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Put it on the shelf and then you can get
rid of a bunch of other stuff that just doesn't.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Serve exactly and you can pick it up at the pharmacy.
You don't have to go into a Mecca Sack or
a Data Jones and spend three hundred dollars on a
serum that you're like, oh, I don't know if it's
going to work.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
I'm a big pharmacy, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I love like Maker, I love like alf I love
Ny eggs.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I love high low stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
You know, obviously I have a bunch of really luxurious
things and that's fine, and you know I get given
a lot of things just in my industry.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
But yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Yeah, always go back to and it's the fun of
finding really affordable things so that then you can show.
You know, you might be holding a really beautiful design handbag,
but then someone's like, oh, and what is on your
lips and you're like, oh, my goodness, it was twenty dollars.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
You know, I just picked it up my case. It's
actually sorry you are in la.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Yeah, you can go down to a CBS and find
selling four to four dollars, but yeah, twenty dollars in
Australia is pretty affordable these days. O. The campaign that
we're talking about, the Hello, Better Me campaign, centers around
reframing the mirror from self critique to self celebration.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
How has your.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Own relationship with the mirror changed over the years and
did it change through COVID when we had to look
at ourselves a lot more than we used to.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
That's a good question. I've always you know, I don't know.
I think my mom, we're going.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
To give us some props here because I think she
always made me feel even when I was muddeling, even
when I was a little girl, and then you know,
I was going to castings and I was you know,
like put up against other girls for jobs or whatever.
Like she always instilled in me like a real like
sense of joy in myself. Like she always allowed me to,
(13:24):
like you know, find the little quirks and the little
things that made me me and would actually say to me.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Like go smile at her, Like go smile at her.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
So I always kind of did grow up with this
sense of like, you know, it's not about the makeup
and the hair and whatever, even though I've got a
face full of makeup and my hair is done right now,
but you know, it's a little quirks that I you know,
I've always kind of found the funny in and kind
of found the joy in, and so that has only
grown deeper, you know, because now I can really take
(13:56):
the piss out of myself.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
You're Australian at your heart, right, so.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Now really just now I'm like, I'm brutal, I'm savage,
But you know it's it's finding the funny in it,
Like it's it's there is a jaw. There is a joy,
There is a funny, there is there is you know,
like a little bit of a.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
You know you kind of lighthearted humor.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah, there's so much more. There's stuff that is really
you know, serious, and there's stuff that.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Is really important, and those things, you know, we take
that way.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
But you know, if you've got like a huge is
it or you know, like it's in hair or.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Whatever, funny funny and it doesn't matter, you know, gray hair.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Like with the tweezing tweezing.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
It out my roots, I'm like, oh no, for goodness,
none of it matters. And I think sometimes people find
that a little bit discombobulating if I say something like that.
You know, we are the biggest beauty podcast in Australia,
so we talk about beauty, objective beauty and products all
the time. But it is just also that the joy
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in those little moments, whether it's putting on a lipstick
and how that makes you feel, but also exactly like
you said, just still taking the piss and realizing that
it's not that serious.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
We can be lighthearted about it. It's just fun.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
It is. Obviously, everyone has a different experience in a
different journey with it. But you know, my experience.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
At the moment is just like I don't know, just
just enjoying it, having fun with it, taking the pierce,
you know, being silly whatever. And I actually think, you know,
I'm turning forty two this year, and I you know.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I feel like I've arrived. Yeah, you know, oh cool,
like this is what I look like.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Great, I'm like, oh shit, a couple of little little
lines there or but it's like this is it, and
you know, and I love it all. I'm like, I'm
grateful for it all because it know, all tells the story.
You know.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Well, I love that they say that it's not like
changing that perception from a sign of aging to a
sign of resilience. Yeah, so they're not just lines on
your face, like they tell different stories. So what would
you say are some of your signs of resilience.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Well, obviously we've got a lot of smile lines around
around the eyes, you know, so there's been a lot
of smiles. And then you know, just I get this
crazy vein that goes right here right like when I'm
when I'm angry or when I'm mad, and I remember
being really insecure about it, like, oh you know, I
get this vain and my husband was like, it's one
(16:34):
of the things that I love most about you. Like
you're kind of you're talking from the inside through your face,
you know.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Like we're talking from the vein. The vein is speaking.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
The vein is speaking, and it's like, I'm either like
it's and it's really easy either when I'm like pissed
or when I'm like in raptures of laughter. And you know,
I remember being insecure about it, and now I'm like,
this is one of those things that it's a funny like.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yeah, vein is talking, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
So that's one of you know that doesn't really answer
the question properly, but it is one of the things
that actually it's something that I wear on my face,
on my physical being that I really enjoy it now
whereas I used to find it, you know, it used
to be.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Insecure about it. It's all like you've really got me engaged.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Because the vein's out. I'm really enjoying this conversation. If
the vein's out, it's so funny. I actually get exactly
the same vein. Maybe it's something that and but I
get mine if I'm really upset about something So if
I'm on the phone to my sister and I'm crying
or I'm really upset, she will to lighten the mood.
And now my mum's in on this joke about my
(17:44):
vein because it's its own person sometimes and they'll be like,
how upset are you? On a scale of like where
is the vein out? Has the vein made its appearance?
Because it starts making its little wait and then that
immediately lightens the mood because I just start laughing because
I'll think, oh goodness, yes, or I'll look in the
mirror and go, yep, she's she's out, she's pulsating. Can
(18:12):
you talk us through your beauty routine? So, taking all
of this into consideration, what like, are you a twenty
one step skincare gal? I'm assuming no everything that we've
discussed thus far, but can you talk us through what
you're sort of doing in the morning nighttime. I know
(18:32):
you said that you do have someone that does hair
and makeup for you for occasions, but just what you
like to do yourself.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I love a shower, I love a shower routine.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
I mean that's good. You might be a bit sele
you didn't.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
That's where I like doing my things like I like,
you know, using like an.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Exfoliator on my face in the shower, and I like
using like a body scrub in the shower or like
a shower oil.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
I do love a shower moment.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I have like three different facial cleansers that I like
rotate between or use them all.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
At once, depending on how I'm feeling or how much
time I have.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
So the shower moment is the moment where it starts
for me, and then I get out of the shower.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Then I moisturize. That's where the old lake collajoen or
the peptide cream comes in. I'm like, yep, moisturize.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Then I will go pop the coffee on, come back up.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Then I like to do a daytime under.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I cream or a serum, and I don't like using
one with retino obviously during the day, so I just
use one that's more cooling or like anti puffing.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
At nighttime. I like a Retino one. So that's that,
and then I go in with like little concealer on spots.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
You know, I've got pigmentation at the moments crazy because
because summer sum here and malasma above my lips and
like malasma off here, so I'm like, okay, let's conceal that.
So this is now we're going into my makeup routine.
So that's with skin carries.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
One and like very quick shower like and we're ready
and now we're in makeup and it's just a little
concealer and then it's bronzer blush.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
It's always it's like I want to look fresh, I
want to look like I've you know, been awake for hours,
even though i haven't.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
But then if I've got something.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Or an event or whatever, then it's always the brown
eyeliner like that is in the waterline.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
I don't know. I've been doing it since I was
a kid. It's something that I feel like now is
my eyes don't look.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Right if I don't have it in and then eyelash
curler and then a little bit of macabum lips and
then I'm out.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
So it is kind of simple.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Then if I'm going out, then I'll put mascara on.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Then I'll actually do lipstick lip liner, but otherwise I
keep it quite simple.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Do you prefer I mean, sorry to any makeup artists
that are listening, but would you prefer to do your
own makeup for special events or have someone else do
it for you.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I've done my own makeup for events. I find that,
for whatever reason, when it photographs photographs differently, it doesn't photograph. Yeah,
when a makeup artist, I don't know if they do
different layers of it or you know, they're contouring, they're powdering,
they're light dark, shade everything. It always looks better when
a makeup artist does it when there's photos. If it's
(21:13):
just me at an event and there are no photos,
I actually prefer my own makeup.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
But yeah, it's like I don't know the flash or whatever.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
It's just I think it's like I'm not wearing makeup.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Yeah, it's a combination of they use a lot more
makeup than we would if we were doing our own makeup,
and also they use different sorts. Because I could not agree.
I actually wait prefer my face if I've done my makeup,
but yeah, if I look at it under really intense
lights or photos, it tends to look like I'm not
(21:44):
wearing anything, whereas if a makeup artist does it much better.
Do you have any moments of glam that stick out
in your mind? Red carpet moments that you just they're
your favorites to look back on.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yes, actually like what pops out your fodio.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah. Fortieth birthday, I got this amazing makeup artist from
La called Diana Shin and.
Speaker 8 (22:07):
She was the first person that ever did because in
Australia we actually we have incredible makeup artists, but they
do a really beautiful kind of natural, beachy like undone
but done.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Even when I do like full glam for an event
or something in Australia, it's always it's just classic. It's
like you know, a winged liner and it's just always clean.
For my fortieth here in La, we went like full
like Kardashian makeup right and it was the first time
I've ever done it, first time I've ever done it, and.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I didn't know what my face would respond. Like, girl,
I was like, this is amazing.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
It was hours and hours and hours, but oh my god,
the contouring, the like the different levels of contour and
then the highlighting and then the powder and then the
overdrawn lip and then the lashes, like it was so extra.
But I was like, oh, this is a vibe. I mean,
(23:11):
I'm not going to ever do it again. Fortieth birthday great.
But it was like I was like, this is cool.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, fun to do for something like your fortieth as well.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
It was really like it was almost like costume makeup.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yes, well it is like.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah it was costume makeup. It wasn't like, oh, we're
making Pierre look like Pierre. It was like, oh, we're
gonna take Peer's face and just do full.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Glassy yeah, and it was really cool.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
I was like, Wow, we'll have to include a photo
in the video so that people can say, because yeah,
I really want to see it.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
I think that would have looked beautiful.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
And on the what you personally do with your skin
and like your beauty routine. Are you a lover of
different treatments? Do you get any different treatments? I personally
love RF needling, although it's been a while since I've
had it, But or are you too busy?
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I've got an amazing lady here. She was recommended by
a bunch of friends and she's awesome.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
But in terms of like needling or anything like that,
I pigment.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
So I'm one of those people that's when I get
a cut or even like a.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Scrape or what like, I scar yeap.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
So I'm really scared about doing anything like that or
any lasers or anything because I feel like just the
melanin in my skin will you know.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
And other people have said to me like they're like, oh,
I'd be afraid to put a laser to it.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
I'm not sure we should do a patch test here.
So I've just avoided needles and lasers. But yeah, but
the time will come though where I'm like, all.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Right, yeah, I need some extra help here.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
But for now, I'm like all right, I've avoided it,
and you know, I mean I do do little bits
here and there, but in terms of like lasers.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Like frequent. Yeah, do you like a facial some people
don't like to.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Do it's just like you know, they're like ninety minutes.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, I get restlessly.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, all of the beauty things take so long, like nails. Yeah,
we need, like people need to come up with something
that's a lot more efficient.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
I do have a red bed though in the house,
so like a big full body red bed, so I
read bed a lot. And actually the light therapy is
a part of the facial that my facialist does, so
I'm like I'm kind of using my biohack red bed
to kind of do.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
The whole thing.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Yeah, that's also for it.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
And the red bed is twenty minutes.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
It's also meant to be really good for relaxing you
your sleep, Like I've read so many benefits about having
one of those.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I mean, Patrick and I use it all the time.
Kids use it.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
It's really good for like just cellular renewal and then
for college and boosting and getting rid of zombie cells
that are in the body just sitting there stagnant taking
up room. So that's what they say. Yeah, you know,
I'm like, okay, I'll believe it.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
If Brian Johnson recommends something, I'm like, well, it must
be good. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Andrew Huberman, yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
If they say that something is good, I'm like, I
will look into it.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Then. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Well, we can't thank you enough for sparing your time.
We know how busy you are and you're also on
the other side of the world at the moment, so
thank you so much and hopefully we can catch up
when you're in Australia for some Oley celebrations later in
the year.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Thank you so much for having me. This is really fun.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Thank you Peer White Cell.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
They're proving the journey from teenage model to a confident
woman in her forties can completely redefine what beauty means.
If today's chat has you looking at your own reflection differently,
seeing signs of resilience instead of just signs of time passing,
then that's exactly what the whole campaign is about. And
while we were talking, I didn't want to butt in
(26:57):
too much, but it was reminding me of I was
complaining about the lines around my eyes once upon a time,
and an ex boyfriend goes, Oh, I really like those
lines around your eyes because they show how happy you are.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
And I just thought that was such a really stuck
out to me because I just thought it was such
a special.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Way to look at lions, and Yeah, you are at
your most beautiful right here, right now.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Thank you so much for listening to this episode of
the Formula.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
I'm Kelly McCarron and I'll be back in your ears
and eyes next Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Bye.
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