July 14, 2025 • 29 mins
Kelly's sitting down with the makeup artist behind Australia's most gorgeous celebrity faces, and Melanie Burnicle is sharing secrets that'll completely change how you think about your daily routine. From the $8 face massage product that preps skin like magic to why your eyeshadow placement might be dragging your whole look down, Melanie gives us all her words of wisdom.
We're talking foundation techniques that make imperfections vanish, the brush coating method that professionals swear by, and why sometimes the most expensive products actually earn their price tag. Plus, celebrity stories that prove kindness is the ultimate beauty secret!
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IT Cosmetics Your Skin But Better CC+ Cream SPF50 $82.00
Les Beiges Foundation Healthy Glow Foundation Hydration and Longwear $107.00
Chanel Vitalumiere Foundation $93.00
Makeup Forever HD Skin Foundation $74.00
Rae Morris Travel Set $537.90
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Anastasia Beverly Hills Mini Sultry Eyeshadow Palette $49
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Makeup is my therapy.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Obsessed and I don't
about it.
Hello, hello, and welcome back to You Beauty, the formula,
where we uncover the secrets behind beautiful makeup and skincare.
I'm Kelly McCarron, and buckle up because today's episode is
going to be epic. We've somehow convinced the absolute queen
(00:36):
of makeup, Melanie Burnicle, to join us in studio and
share her secrets. If you're thinking, Who's that? Well, where
have you been?
Mel has spent the past 20 years, actually closer to
30 really, making Australia's hottest celebs look even hotter. We're
talking Sophie Monk, Jess Mauboy, Isabel Lucas, anyone whose face
you've probably saved on Pinterest as skin goals or makeup inspo.
(01:00):
She was also the makeup director for Revlon Australia and
New Zealand, and she now teaches other makeup wizards how
to build their beauty empires. I'm going to be shamelessly
fangirling while trying to extract every single juicy makeup secret
she's got. So let's dive into this beauty masterclass. You
have such beautiful skin, but how?
(01:25):
Mel, I'm obsessed with your story, and we need to
start with how on earth you went from dance studio
to becoming a makeup magician behind so many famous Aussie faces.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, coming from a dancing background, it was always colors, sparkle,
jazz hands, and there was always a sense of community.
It didn't matter what your skin color was, what your
gender was. If you could count 5678, you were on.
And it was this energy that just
It runs through you, and I just knew I couldn't
do a job. Well, I tried. I tried to do
(01:56):
an office job and I got severely depressed. Like, I
went through massive mental health issues because I just couldn't
be contained in that fire. Like it needed, I needed
to be creative. And I remember doing makeup summer school,
which I'd saved all my pennies for. And we had a,
like a makeup class in that, and the teacher was like,
You're really good at this. And then when I realized, like,
(02:17):
I was never
I probably could have made it as a professional dancer,
you know, moving on, but I just, I just kind
of lacked my own, you know, confidence at that point.
So I was like, am I good enough? And I
just questioned everything rather than just going, Yeah, I'm good enough.
And so I just kind of lost myself. But that
understanding of, I was good at makeup, never left. So
I was always doing people's makeup for shows, for, you know,
(02:40):
friends going out as we're getting older and then,
Yeah, after being severely depressed, being trapped in four walls
doing an office job that I just hated, I was like, Well,
what do I wanna do? And it was either neutropathy,
cause I liked looking at things natural and holistically for myself,
or makeup. And I'm like, Oh, I don't want a
lot more fun. I, I don't want to be responsible
for someone else's health. Like,
Speaker 2 (03:01):
it's
good though.
Yes,
sign me up
Speaker 1 (03:04):
100%. And so it was just a really nice extension
of what I'd done, you know, in dancing, and I
was able to be creative and playful. And so, yeah,
research where I needed to go. Spoke to a friend
who was working in magazines, like, find out from the
makeup artist, like, which one's the best school? How do
I do this? And then,
You just put yourself out there. You obviously
Speaker 2 (03:24):
worked really hard though, because talent will only get you
so far.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Well, and it's, it's a learned skill. And then it's
funny when you work in fashion, you have to unlearn it.
So you have to understand everything, but then you have
to break the rules, and that's where
You can have even more fun.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah,
which, you know, is a lot of fun. Yeah. We're
gonna get into it a lot because we were talking
off mic about foundation because you were saying that Perry
and you've got like rosacea and blotches and your skin,
because I was like, your skin.
Like I can see that you've got makeup on, but
it's not cakey at all. It doesn't look like you've
(04:01):
got much makeup on, but you must if you've got
rosacea and blotchiness under
there.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah. So like, if you look at my skin, look,
I do look after it. I've had lots of treatments,
I do laser, I do a multitude of things to
really ensure that we keep
hydrated, especially during this time of perimenopause, cause it's intense.
But I do, like, my chin gets a little bit red,
across this area gets red, and I've got pigmentation through here, which,
(04:25):
you know, look, I've got rid of a lot of
my pigmentation with laser, but it's still quite prevalent through
this area. So, when you're working with the skin, so
I've got
Two different types of concealers on.
OK. And then, you know, you want that lit from within.
And that's this butter skin trend, that's skin. It's gone from,
you know, that kind of gloss and the dolphin skin
(04:46):
to the glass skin, and now you've got butter skin.
So it's that lit from within. So how I've done this,
I've used like the tart shape tape through here to
cover my pigmentation, put that.
On as a base and like matted it in. So
it will cover all of that pigmentation. And also, when
this starts to do this, you know, 48, um,
Speaker 2 (05:07):
it's just, I reckon in your 20s, they start to
go a little bit. You just,
Speaker 1 (05:10):
yeah. I'm a little frog
Speaker 2 (05:11):
neck.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I'm close to 50, so it's, you know, it's really, it's,
it's there and it's like, you know.
But, you know, I don't want that to be seriously glowy,
because that's gonna add to that shine. It's gonna draw attention. Yeah,
so I've used a matte concealer underneath there, and then
through here, I've used the tart creaseless, because I love that. So,
in this area here, cause I am crease, you know,
(05:33):
I've got smile lines and I love. You know, it's
years of wisdom built in there, and I love that,
and I like that I have smile lines because it
means pretty happy.
But you don't want your heavy matte products looking dense
in that area. So that's why I use the creaseless,
and it keeps it creamy. And then, so after I
apply all of that, then I use the, this is
my favorite thing ever, the Rimmel Multitasker 3 in 1.
(05:56):
Have you tried that? Oh my God, it's called Better
Than Filters. I always say the wrong name. I call
it lots of different things cause for me, it's like
in everything.
But even if you just use that with nothing else,
it just kind of gets rid of the flaws, adds
glow to the skin. When you're using your brushes, brushes
are key. So depending on which brand you have, like,
I can give you some recommends that I love, but
(06:19):
you want to coat the.
onto the brush, and then lightly apply, rather than, you know,
and look, it's great when you're watching videos and the
tutorials are there and you see them dabbing all these
different dots on the face. That's great. But then you've
got to try and buff that out. So when you
coat the brush like a professional would do, and then
the brush is coated, you can use minimal application, minimal
(06:40):
product on the skin to ensure you're getting what you
need covered, but it doesn't.
You're not trying to buff that, you know, stuff into
the skin where it's really hard.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I also
think that it's worth remembering, like, of course, tutorials, online
tutorials have been a godsend for so many people and
learning how to do things and helping. But the thing
is with someone that's doing their makeup online is that
they look incredible online.
With the lighting in front of the camera. But when
(07:10):
you see that person in real life, it's like, whoa.
She got a lot of makeup on. Like you could,
it's all makeup, and it's very heavy. So, and that's
what can happen when you are sort of just applying
a lot of products straight to the
face.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And look, a lot of the tutorials are there to
show you where to place it. So they're showing you
where to put
Product, it's not necessarily sometimes the best technique. You want
to see where the product needs to go, and that's
what they're great for as well. But when you look
at someone like Katie Jane Hughes, she's a makeup artist
and she really talks and shares about coding the products,
and it's something as an artist that you do because
(07:44):
you understand it. But I think sometimes the general public
will just watch the tutorial and take it.
As is, rather than thinking, you know, a little bit
deeper into it, but it's OK, like we all learn
and it's always learning. It's not permanent, like it's fine
with it, you know, and explore, but these, the tutorials
are great for that.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
When did you develop your foundation technique? Because is that
similar to how you would apply
Makeup on celebs, different people when you're doing their
makeup.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
It varies for each different thing. So depending on the skin,
depending on the medium. So if I'm doing someone, say,
for a red carpet premiere, and they've got light, it's
gonna be coming at them, harsh, strong, you know, I
need to make sure that the makeup's gonna stand true
on that. And then also, it needs to hold up. Yeah. So,
as a joke one day, we were in a TV
(08:34):
studio and I was with one of my celebrities, and
they were just doing.
Like, you know, little lighting checks and bits and pieces.
And we literally, the light in there was so strong
that I drew a line of contour just here as
a joke, just where they went out for a lighting test,
and it looked blended. Like it was literally the darkest
line like this. It was literally just drawing a line.
(08:55):
There was no blending, but it just gave them a shadow.
But on camera, it looked like, because the light was
so intense. So that's when you need to understand the
medium that you're working with. Best thing I could suggest
to people, if you know it
Your wedding day and you're gonna have flash going off
on you all day, do your makeup under the right light,
and have your makeup done under a light. Because if
(09:16):
you do your makeup just in natural light, or in
a dark light, then it may not be enough to
present for what you're needing it for. But then when
the red carpets, you've got these big like red headlights,
which are intense, and then other times you're shooting a
mad cover and they're like, Oh, OK, cool. We're shooting
in this beautiful like venue and the light's coming in
from outside. We're only gonna put like a fill in.
And so, when you're working with natural light, it can
(09:38):
look quite flat. So then you've got to create dimension.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
That's
such a good point because even we were, I saw
a video from a different episode where
We'd been shooting in a different studio, and that's a
lot of lights in that room. And I was like,
Oh my God, it looks like and I had a
lot of makeup on that day. It did not look
like I had much makeup on, and it looked like
I didn't have eyebrows. Yeah. Cause I did not make
them dark enough to appear on camera.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
And that's the thing. So when you understand the medium
that you're working with, whether it's still
Moving picture, or, you know, you just want to look great.
Or if you know you're walking around with a selfie light,
do your makeup under something that bright. Because if you're
not gonna take a photo with yourself without that light,
the makeup needs to stand up to that
light.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
And that's why it might actually look though, in natural light,
a little bit whoa. And you might get a little
bit shocked, but it's going to translate beautifully.
On camera. It would be so hard for your wedding
day though, cause you're like, I wanna look really pretty,
but I also wanna look good in my photos because
I'm spending a lot of money on them.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
So this is the key to a good makeup artist.
They'll also understand that a lot of your photos aren't
tight beauty shots on the day. So the makeup needs
to stand true at a full length shot, at a
3-quarter shot, and a close up. So,
I take my hat off to a wedding makeup artists
because they
Speaker 2 (10:54):
also dealing with the
moods.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
We have magic wands.
Well, yeah. Well, you learn to read energy. So you
read energy and also you check your ego at the door. Yeah. So,
if someone's coming at you with negative energy and you're nervous,
you're feeding that energy, and then there's literally a blow
up at some point, ah, someone has a mental breakdown.
And you do that when you're first starting out in makeup.
(11:18):
I thought, I'm never doing a wedding again. I'm like,
so stressful. The bride was in tears, she was having
a meltdown. I was like, What is going on?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Gosh, that's a great point. I don't think I've ever
had my makeup done and felt anything but calmness from
the makeup artist. And I bring a lot of, like,
high energy. I was gonna
Speaker 1 (11:37):
say you're fire energy, which is great.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
But I can imagine though, then they sort of like,
let's keep her calm so that I'm not sitting there going, Woo.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Oh, I think that the person in the chair has
to be ready to perform. And however you get ready,
that's however you get ready. If you like that energy
and you're chatty and you're like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. My job,
and that's how you get ready to perform. My job
isn't to calm that down. My energy is just to
You know, not go too crazy with you, so then
it gets too high.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
It's so interesting that when you are, like, when you're
working with people, how much energy has to play.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
For me, it's everything in every single dynamic, and if
you can be present and aware.
As an artist, and most people are present, and they
don't realize, so many artists I speak to don't realize
the gift that they bring with them, but they create
this space. It's like when you walk into a yoga
studio and you've got this, you walk in, you go
and you go, Yeah. And makeup artists do that quite often.
(12:37):
They understand that I'm in your personal space, this is
your moment. How can I be of service?
And they do it
Speaker 2 (12:43):
without you
realizing that they're trying to manipulate your energy or help
you with yours. Yeah, it's such
a gift.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
There's lots of things that you can do to help
people in that space. And when people have fear sometimes
and nervous energy, it can come out in all different ways.
And I have to just allow that. It's not about me.
It's like, what can I do in this moment to
be kind?
And that's free. I'm sure it's probably why I get books.
I don't. I was about to
say,
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I'd say it has a lot to do with your
success because people would then want to work with you again.
You always remember someone that you have a really good
experience with, cause you can get your makeup done.
By a lot of different talented people. But if you
remember someone's energy and how they made you feel, gosh,
that will get
you so far.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
And I'll tell you, one of my favorite things to
do is to start off with a face massage, because
someone walks into the room and this happens, they're like,
they're rushing from this, rushing from that, then they've got
about an hour with me before they're on set, and
they're like,
And they're like, you know, I've got so much going on.
I'm like, OK, great. How do you like this? Yeah, OK,
we have a conversation. I'm like, What do you need
right now? They're like, Oh, I just need to post it.
(13:49):
I'm like, Great, close your eyes. I'll let you know
when I need anything from you. Apart from that, this
is your time. And all of a sudden, you'll see
them go, Oh, someone's giving me, they're asking what I
need when I've got to be giving all day for
other people. One, they feel seen and heard, and then two,
when you start touching people,
Touch is such a beautiful gift as well, because you
can really show your strength, because you're comfortable touching the
(14:12):
skin and the face and giving them a face massage.
One look, for me, it makes the skin. I'm doing
it for my benefit as well because the makeup's gonna
sit really well if I prep the skin really.
Well. But if I can bring that skin to life
at the same time as calming you, and then you
feel comfortable because the way I've touched your face, I
guarantee you so many people have gone, do whatever you want.
(14:33):
As soon as I've done that 5 minute face massage,
even if I don't have time to do it, and
they're like, you know, we're like, No, we've got 25 minutes.
I'm like,
I don't care. I'm doing that face massage. One, the
person in the chair gets to relax. They're not gonna
be fidgety as much, and then I can do my
job quicker.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
So rather
than them moving and you
have to be like,
Speaker 1 (14:51):
it changes everything.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I love starting makeup off with a facial massage, and
I often talk about how it's often the first step
that a makeup artist will do. What do you use
to do your facial massage?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
My favorite.
Is the Hadalabo, the super hydration lotion one. It's so good.
And the product doesn't dry out too quickly. Like you've
got time to work it in, and then you're building
all that beautiful hyaluronic into the skin, and it just
keeps plumping, plumping, and people go, What? What are you using?
What do you do? Like, how do you do
Speaker 2 (15:21):
you can go get
Speaker 1 (15:22):
it
Speaker 2 (15:22):
from Priceline. It's not
expensive.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Foundation for me, spend the cash.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
So
Well, what are some of your favorite foundations if you
think that's what I'm like, Whoa, OK, you think it's
worth spending money on the foundation. I love foundation, like,
and it's so annoying though when they're so expensive.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
The way I look at it, that's most of the face.
So it also
Speaker 2 (15:44):
lasts a long time. You
Speaker 1 (15:45):
get that, right? Every little accent you do, with an eyeline,
with a lip, with a brow, with a lash, it
all just pops. But if you get that wrong,
You've seen, yeah,
Speaker 2 (15:56):
not good,
Speaker 1 (15:56):
doesn't look good. I remember in the 90s, I was
like a thick, you know, matte. I reckon I look
younger now looking back at those photos. Oh,
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I completely
agree.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
But my favorite foundations, the It Cosmetics CC Cream. Love, love, love.
And then I've got the Chanel in my kit, the
Les Beigess, and I'm probably saying my French very long.
And also the Vita Lumiere, two very different products. The
Vita Lumiere will
Speaker 2 (16:22):
have heard of that one.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
It's fabulous, like beautiful glow. You can shear it right out.
The Lesbeigias, more coverage, still beautiful glow. The Make Up
For Ever.
HD skin. It's really one of those great products where
I can have sheer skin for a fashion shoot, where
it's that no makeup makeup look. I can really shear
it out, or you can do a layer and build
and build and delicately work with it. It's a great product.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Let's touch on makeup crimes quickly. What makes you want
to chase strangers down the street with makeup wipes? What
do you think we're getting really, really wrong with our
everyday looks?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Look, I think sometimes, look, even for me, as I'm aging,
and in the last couple of years being unwell, like,
I'm just not going to get Botox and I'm not
doing those things. So what I've noticed, like, this is
kind of like sitting, and I can't do my eye
makeup how I used to do it. And I think
one of the main key things that people sort of
Don't get right at any age is when you're wanting
(17:19):
that youthful look and keeping the eye open and keeping
a beautiful look to the makeup, is extending the eye
shadow too far. So what happens is sometimes when you're
following the natural shape of the eye, because it's curved,
most eye shapes have a roundedness to them. So if
you're following that whole line down, and then as you're
getting older, you're getting creases in this area as well.
(17:42):
It's gonna start to pull the outside of the eye down. Also,
you're gonna create more shadow area in this area, which
just isn't flattering. Look, if you're going for a fashion
look and you want to pull something out here, I'm
never gonna stop you. I, I don't love rules. Break them. um,
but if you're going for that look.
Where you want everything to be youthful and you want
(18:03):
to keep that uplifted feel to the makeup. You wanna
keep it, you know, when you're doing your brows, where
your finishing point is? You know, when you've got like
a pencil or a pen, and you're going out to
the outside edge of the nose, to the outside edge
of the eye, and keep it in, keep it in
that line. As soon as you pull it one like
tiny little millimeter outside of that, it's gonna start to
(18:25):
pull the eye down.
So keeping everything in this area. But so many people
think you've gotta go, Oh, I've done all this work
on my skin, I've done all of this. I need
to go and get makeup remover, take it all off.
Best thing you can ever do is keep your concealer
and foundation products on the brush. And then, again, in
(18:45):
that line, just go, yeah, and just sweep it off,
because so many people think, Take it all off. And
then you're really taking off all that hydration, you're taking
off everything.
That little with the concealer or the foundation just to
clean it up. I always tell people as well, don't
be scared to use your fingertips in your own products
and on your own face, like when you're doing certain like,
They're the best tools
Speaker 2 (19:05):
and
they warm up
the product.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah. And that's a great tip for foundation. So in winter,
in the colder months, I put the foundation on the
back of my hand, body temperature warms it up.
And then once the body temperature warms it up, then
it's sitting at the same temperature as what the face
will be. There's some really affordable makeup brushes, like the
real techniques. Their face brushes are incredible. I love the
(19:29):
Ray Morris brushes, beautiful. And then also the
Like Kitco love order those online. But those three brands, look,
it depends what your budget is, but there are great
products like Real Techniques, which are affordable. But then your
products like your Ray Morris brushes, you, when you go
to do an eyeline, when you go, you go, Ah,
(19:49):
it makes it so much easier sometimes with different brushes.
So having the right tools really makes the application process easy.
But again,
There's great brushes at all different price points, so don't
think just because something's in Priceline, then it's not great,
go and try it.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah.
If your makeup kit was on fire, and you could
only save 5 products, what would they be?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I just, I nearly had anxiety. Yeah,
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I feel a little bit of anxiety just even asking
it because I'm like, I don't know. OK,
Speaker 1 (20:20):
you're talking to someone who took 26 lipsticks to Bali.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Oh, OK, yeah, that was a silly question, really. 2, like,
were you wanna shoot there?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
No.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
That was just for fun, and you took 26.
Flip products. You're gonna have a heart attack. I went
to Bali recently and took a backpack. What about 5
categories rather than products then?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
That
Speaker 2 (20:40):
might be a
bit,
Speaker 1 (20:42):
right? If I had to break it down to two
eye shadow palettes, the Anastasia Mini in the sultry, because
it's got cooler colors, the tart Reflection, I think it is.
I was there like 25th anniversary edition.
The Rimmel multitasker, um, the Better Than Filters, I'm a
shade 4, so that definitely would come because, and then
(21:03):
I'd have to take the It Cosmetic CC cream, because
it's a CC, it's got sunscreen. It will also give
me the glow. Really
Speaker 2 (21:10):
good coverage, but you can
cheer it out.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Exactly. And then that creaseless concealer, like Tartan, it's not
going anywhere. And
I fucking don't have 11
Speaker 2 (21:20):
lip
Speaker 1 (21:21):
product. The Revlon lip oil or the new one. I
don't know the color I'm wearing, but it's kind of
like a, ooh, cherry, or it's the one I've got
on now. I'm loving it. Revlon
Speaker 2 (21:30):
does, like, their lip products, they absolutely nail.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah.
The Tarte tubing mascara, and then brows, I'm in love
with the 1000 hour blonde micro pencil because I can build.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
OK, that's a really good selection of products. What are
some makeup trends that you absolutely love, and what are
some that you just think should go straight into the bin?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Oh, trends, trends, trends, trends. The butter skin? Yes, keep. Look,
anything with beautiful skin, I'm a yes girl. Like, I
love skin.
There's a really that red cheek that's sort of in
at the moment. Like, yeah, it's kind of like a
red powder blush, but I think on the right skin tone,
under the right lighting, yes, but for your average every person,
(22:16):
especially someone who's flushed going through menopause. Yeah, I'm not
gonna add redness to the face. I'm trying to get
rid of it. So just be mindful, you know, of
where you're at, what your skin's doing, and how you
could make it work. But it's something I wouldn't say, yeah,
go for it and give it a crack. There's better.
Things to do. It's
Speaker 2 (22:34):
like that trend where people were putting, like they were
doing their blush quite heavily and then putting it across
their nose. I'm like, why do we want to look burnt? I, I,
why do we want to look like we've had ski
goggles on our face? I did not get that trend
at all. I didn't
Speaker 1 (22:47):
think it's not my favorite thing. Another one that I'm
really loving at the moment is.
Like kind of that grunge, cool girl look where they're
just using like the sharp eyeliner on the waterline without
the mascara. And yeah, it's fabulous. So even though
Speaker 2 (23:02):
that horror that that actually terrifies me. Yeah,
Speaker 1 (23:05):
but so
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I'm sure you could get it to work, but I
feel like I would
look.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Look, I think where it works is if you're kind
of going for that grungy, cool girl look, and it's,
even though it's on social media now, if you look
back at all the fashion shoots I've done properly in
the last 7 years.
It's, none of them have mascara. Because what happens when
you use mascara, it makes everything look quite pretty and
girly and dolly and done and done. So when you
(23:29):
take the mascara off and you do kind of this
smudgy line, it just gives an edge to it. And
if that's your vibe, I quite like it, you know,
it's meant to be
playful.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
You're meant to be able to express yourself however you want.
It's all meant to be fun. It's part of
Speaker 1 (23:42):
being creative, and I think so many people have lost.
The joy and the art of being creative, because we're,
we're not born creative or not creative. It's in all
of us. But the way we're educated is very da
da da da da. And, you know, I think finding
that inside yourself really just allows you to feel like
a little kid with that childlike sense of wonder and
(24:03):
don't worry about not getting it perfect. Just have a
bit of fun. Yeah, find the
Speaker 2 (24:07):
joy in.
Expressing like through hair, makeup,
Speaker 1 (24:11):
clothes, and creating that little morning ritual, which is what
I do with my skincare in the morning.
Coming back to yourself, and again, like we were talking
about with touch, it's that beautiful thing which can bring
you back into your body because you're aware of yourself
and then you can sit back, you can be present.
And if I have to go and look after everyone
all day, and I haven't looked after myself internally first
(24:34):
to make sure, am I connected? Am I present.
I don't bring that same energy when I'm with you.
And it's a disservice to other people, you know, as
well as yourself. So I always make a really big
mention to myself in the morning, how do I get ready?
How do I prepare? And creating a little ritual with
my skincare routine, that touch and feel that I do
for other people, why shouldn't I do that for myself?
(24:57):
And it's that real having a moment. And then if
you wanna
At a lip. If you want to do something, you know, Oh,
how do I feel today? Oh, I feel playful. Ooh,
I feel like I want this. And,
Speaker 2 (25:07):
and when you've
put in that little bit of effort and time for yourself,
it actually does set you up for a better day,
and it makes you feel really good. Yeah. Let's talk celebrities.
Goss time, who has been an absolute dream boat to
work with and who has been really surprisingly lovely or
just
(25:27):
Made you feel
incredible.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, I was working with this amazing powerhouse, like, high
up in one of the big, like, Amazon companies, and
she literally had people.
In the room typing away, and she walked in and
something terrible had happened at home, back in the States.
And she's like, got off this phone call and it
was like really intense. I said, What do you need?
(25:49):
She's like, I'm already cut out time. I'm like, I
can work quickly. She's like, I need to make a
phone call. I'm like, go. She came in.
And everyone's in the room like they're like there there
was like rows of people. I was like this is insane.
And she was about to perform in front of 3500 people.
She's like, as soon as we're done, they've booked me
an emergency flight, I've got to get home.
(26:09):
And I sat there and I thought, this poor woman
is like so intense. And so I went, I'm literally
gonna have 35 minutes for full hair and makeup, but
she needs my face massage. And I gave her that
face massage, and you should have seen, like, there was
almost tears, like, I'm an emotional Pisce, and so I'll
cry at most things. And I gave her that face massage,
and she said,
I don't even need to worry, do I? She said,
(26:30):
I'm just gonna sit here for a minute. I'm like,
You've got 30 minutes to yourself. Take a breath. Yeah.
And anyway, 10 minutes later, she says, Everyone, can we
just have the room to ourselves, please? So everyone left
the room. She's like, OK, what do I need to
get that I can't get in America? Um, da da
da da da. And I gave her a list and
she literally texted to someone and sent them out to
the shops. But so it was, you know, and from
(26:50):
then on, she's like, Can I fly you here? Can
I fly you there? Can I fly?
Because you show someone kindness, now if I added, oh
my God, like 35 minutes, how am I gonna do
hair and
Speaker 2 (27:00):
make you look
gorgeous in that amount
of time,
Speaker 1 (27:02):
you know, as if I added and reciprocated that energy.
Mm. That's not helping anybody. So, yeah, and to be
able to do that for someone.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Did you get the hair and makeup
Speaker 1 (27:13):
done? Yeah, of course I did. That's another fabulous celebrity.
It was for the global premiere of Thor, and the
female talent was out here.
And I walked in, I was just doing makeup, I
wasn't doing hair, and the hair people walked in and
there were 2 of them.
This poor girl had just got off a 24 hour flight,
just come off back to back films, and she was
(27:35):
just exhausted. And it's intense. And then you're gonna have
cameras cameras, cameras, cameras. Anyway, I was doing the makeup,
they arrived late to do hair. Then they turned up
and they were like, bang, bang, bang, pulling and this
and that. And she was like, I said, Honey, I'm
just gonna step back. I said, I can do this
in 10 minutes once everything's calmed down. She's like, Thank you.
And just, I could see she was just, you know,
(27:56):
it was, it was a lot.
And then she literally looked at me and she's like,
I'm freaking out. I'm like it's, all right, I've got
your back. She's like, Will you stay and do red carpet?
Will you stay and do this? She's like, Tomorrow, I
don't want any of this other energy. Can I, do
you do hair? I'm like, Yes. I was meant to
go on a date that night, so I messaged the date,
and I'm like, it was a first date, I think.
And I'm like, Hey, sorry, I've got to do red carpet,
(28:18):
but I've got tickets to the premiere.
Do you want to meet me there, and do you
wanna go? And they're like, That's better than going to dinner. Yeah,
that's way better than dinner. So this guy turned up
with popcorn and like treats and everything. I said, like,
I haven't eaten. If you could find me some snacks
on the way, I'd be really grateful. And anyway, so
we went in, Kenneth Branagh's up there, the whole cast
are up there, you know, they had to take your
phones off you cause it's global premiere.
(28:39):
And then he's
Speaker 2 (28:40):
like, this is very
cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1 (28:42):
first day, I'm like I'll throw it in, you'll either
sink or swim. Yeah,
Speaker 2 (28:45):
yeah, yeah, exactly.
You'll either have a fantastic time together or not, but
you still went.
Well, that's all the time we have for today. Melanie
has given us.
A free masterclass. I don't even know what that would
be valued at, but I am so impressed and my
mind has been blown. For all of the products that we've, uh,
(29:06):
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(29:30):
Thanks for listening, beauty lovers, bye.
Makeup is my therapy.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Obsessed and I don't
about it.
Hello, hello, and welcome back to You Beauty, the formula,
where we uncover the secrets behind beautiful makeup and skincare.
I'm Kelly McCarron, and buckle up because today's episode is
going to be epic. We've somehow convinced the absolute queen
(00:36):
of makeup, Melanie Burnicle, to join us in studio and
share her secrets. If you're thinking, Who's that? Well, where
have you been?
Mel has spent the past 20 years, actually closer to
30 really, making Australia's hottest celebs look even hotter. We're
talking Sophie Monk, Jess Mauboy, Isabel Lucas, anyone whose face
you've probably saved on Pinterest as skin goals or makeup inspo.
(01:00):
She was also the makeup director for Revlon Australia and
New Zealand, and she now teaches other makeup wizards how
to build their beauty empires. I'm going to be shamelessly
fangirling while trying to extract every single juicy makeup secret
she's got. So let's dive into this beauty masterclass. You
have such beautiful skin, but how?
(01:25):
Mel, I'm obsessed with your story, and we need to
start with how on earth you went from dance studio
to becoming a makeup magician behind so many famous Aussie faces.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, coming from a dancing background, it was always colors, sparkle,
jazz hands, and there was always a sense of community.
It didn't matter what your skin color was, what your
gender was. If you could count 5678, you were on.
And it was this energy that just
It runs through you, and I just knew I couldn't
do a job. Well, I tried. I tried to do
(01:56):
an office job and I got severely depressed. Like, I
went through massive mental health issues because I just couldn't
be contained in that fire. Like it needed, I needed
to be creative. And I remember doing makeup summer school,
which I'd saved all my pennies for. And we had a,
like a makeup class in that, and the teacher was like,
You're really good at this. And then when I realized, like,
(02:17):
I was never
I probably could have made it as a professional dancer,
you know, moving on, but I just, I just kind
of lacked my own, you know, confidence at that point.
So I was like, am I good enough? And I
just questioned everything rather than just going, Yeah, I'm good enough.
And so I just kind of lost myself. But that
understanding of, I was good at makeup, never left. So
I was always doing people's makeup for shows, for, you know,
(02:40):
friends going out as we're getting older and then,
Yeah, after being severely depressed, being trapped in four walls
doing an office job that I just hated, I was like, Well,
what do I wanna do? And it was either neutropathy,
cause I liked looking at things natural and holistically for myself,
or makeup. And I'm like, Oh, I don't want a
lot more fun. I, I don't want to be responsible
for someone else's health. Like,
Speaker 2 (03:01):
it's
good though.
Yes,
sign me up
Speaker 1 (03:04):
100%. And so it was just a really nice extension
of what I'd done, you know, in dancing, and I
was able to be creative and playful. And so, yeah,
research where I needed to go. Spoke to a friend
who was working in magazines, like, find out from the
makeup artist, like, which one's the best school? How do
I do this? And then,
You just put yourself out there. You obviously
Speaker 2 (03:24):
worked really hard though, because talent will only get you
so far.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Well, and it's, it's a learned skill. And then it's
funny when you work in fashion, you have to unlearn it.
So you have to understand everything, but then you have
to break the rules, and that's where
You can have even more fun.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah,
which, you know, is a lot of fun. Yeah. We're
gonna get into it a lot because we were talking
off mic about foundation because you were saying that Perry
and you've got like rosacea and blotches and your skin,
because I was like, your skin.
Like I can see that you've got makeup on, but
it's not cakey at all. It doesn't look like you've
(04:01):
got much makeup on, but you must if you've got
rosacea and blotchiness under
there.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah. So like, if you look at my skin, look,
I do look after it. I've had lots of treatments,
I do laser, I do a multitude of things to
really ensure that we keep
hydrated, especially during this time of perimenopause, cause it's intense.
But I do, like, my chin gets a little bit red,
across this area gets red, and I've got pigmentation through here, which,
(04:25):
you know, look, I've got rid of a lot of
my pigmentation with laser, but it's still quite prevalent through
this area. So, when you're working with the skin, so
I've got
Two different types of concealers on.
OK. And then, you know, you want that lit from within.
And that's this butter skin trend, that's skin. It's gone from,
you know, that kind of gloss and the dolphin skin
(04:46):
to the glass skin, and now you've got butter skin.
So it's that lit from within. So how I've done this,
I've used like the tart shape tape through here to
cover my pigmentation, put that.
On as a base and like matted it in. So
it will cover all of that pigmentation. And also, when
this starts to do this, you know, 48, um,
Speaker 2 (05:07):
it's just, I reckon in your 20s, they start to
go a little bit. You just,
Speaker 1 (05:10):
yeah. I'm a little frog
Speaker 2 (05:11):
neck.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I'm close to 50, so it's, you know, it's really, it's,
it's there and it's like, you know.
But, you know, I don't want that to be seriously glowy,
because that's gonna add to that shine. It's gonna draw attention. Yeah,
so I've used a matte concealer underneath there, and then
through here, I've used the tart creaseless, because I love that. So,
in this area here, cause I am crease, you know,
(05:33):
I've got smile lines and I love. You know, it's
years of wisdom built in there, and I love that,
and I like that I have smile lines because it
means pretty happy.
But you don't want your heavy matte products looking dense
in that area. So that's why I use the creaseless,
and it keeps it creamy. And then, so after I
apply all of that, then I use the, this is
my favorite thing ever, the Rimmel Multitasker 3 in 1.
(05:56):
Have you tried that? Oh my God, it's called Better
Than Filters. I always say the wrong name. I call
it lots of different things cause for me, it's like
in everything.
But even if you just use that with nothing else,
it just kind of gets rid of the flaws, adds
glow to the skin. When you're using your brushes, brushes
are key. So depending on which brand you have, like,
I can give you some recommends that I love, but
(06:19):
you want to coat the.
onto the brush, and then lightly apply, rather than, you know,
and look, it's great when you're watching videos and the
tutorials are there and you see them dabbing all these
different dots on the face. That's great. But then you've
got to try and buff that out. So when you
coat the brush like a professional would do, and then
the brush is coated, you can use minimal application, minimal
(06:40):
product on the skin to ensure you're getting what you
need covered, but it doesn't.
You're not trying to buff that, you know, stuff into
the skin where it's really hard.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I also
think that it's worth remembering, like, of course, tutorials, online
tutorials have been a godsend for so many people and
learning how to do things and helping. But the thing
is with someone that's doing their makeup online is that
they look incredible online.
With the lighting in front of the camera. But when
(07:10):
you see that person in real life, it's like, whoa.
She got a lot of makeup on. Like you could,
it's all makeup, and it's very heavy. So, and that's
what can happen when you are sort of just applying
a lot of products straight to the
face.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
And look, a lot of the tutorials are there to
show you where to place it. So they're showing you
where to put
Product, it's not necessarily sometimes the best technique. You want
to see where the product needs to go, and that's
what they're great for as well. But when you look
at someone like Katie Jane Hughes, she's a makeup artist
and she really talks and shares about coding the products,
and it's something as an artist that you do because
(07:44):
you understand it. But I think sometimes the general public
will just watch the tutorial and take it.
As is, rather than thinking, you know, a little bit
deeper into it, but it's OK, like we all learn
and it's always learning. It's not permanent, like it's fine
with it, you know, and explore, but these, the tutorials
are great for that.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
When did you develop your foundation technique? Because is that
similar to how you would apply
Makeup on celebs, different people when you're doing their
makeup.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
It varies for each different thing. So depending on the skin,
depending on the medium. So if I'm doing someone, say,
for a red carpet premiere, and they've got light, it's
gonna be coming at them, harsh, strong, you know, I
need to make sure that the makeup's gonna stand true
on that. And then also, it needs to hold up. Yeah. So,
as a joke one day, we were in a TV
(08:34):
studio and I was with one of my celebrities, and
they were just doing.
Like, you know, little lighting checks and bits and pieces.
And we literally, the light in there was so strong
that I drew a line of contour just here as
a joke, just where they went out for a lighting test,
and it looked blended. Like it was literally the darkest
line like this. It was literally just drawing a line.
(08:55):
There was no blending, but it just gave them a shadow.
But on camera, it looked like, because the light was
so intense. So that's when you need to understand the
medium that you're working with. Best thing I could suggest
to people, if you know it
Your wedding day and you're gonna have flash going off
on you all day, do your makeup under the right light,
and have your makeup done under a light. Because if
(09:16):
you do your makeup just in natural light, or in
a dark light, then it may not be enough to
present for what you're needing it for. But then when
the red carpets, you've got these big like red headlights,
which are intense, and then other times you're shooting a
mad cover and they're like, Oh, OK, cool. We're shooting
in this beautiful like venue and the light's coming in
from outside. We're only gonna put like a fill in.
And so, when you're working with natural light, it can
(09:38):
look quite flat. So then you've got to create dimension.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
That's
such a good point because even we were, I saw
a video from a different episode where
We'd been shooting in a different studio, and that's a
lot of lights in that room. And I was like,
Oh my God, it looks like and I had a
lot of makeup on that day. It did not look
like I had much makeup on, and it looked like
I didn't have eyebrows. Yeah. Cause I did not make
them dark enough to appear on camera.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
And that's the thing. So when you understand the medium
that you're working with, whether it's still
Moving picture, or, you know, you just want to look great.
Or if you know you're walking around with a selfie light,
do your makeup under something that bright. Because if you're
not gonna take a photo with yourself without that light,
the makeup needs to stand up to that
light.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
And that's why it might actually look though, in natural light,
a little bit whoa. And you might get a little
bit shocked, but it's going to translate beautifully.
On camera. It would be so hard for your wedding
day though, cause you're like, I wanna look really pretty,
but I also wanna look good in my photos because
I'm spending a lot of money on them.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
So this is the key to a good makeup artist.
They'll also understand that a lot of your photos aren't
tight beauty shots on the day. So the makeup needs
to stand true at a full length shot, at a
3-quarter shot, and a close up. So,
I take my hat off to a wedding makeup artists
because they
Speaker 2 (10:54):
also dealing with the
moods.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
We have magic wands.
Well, yeah. Well, you learn to read energy. So you
read energy and also you check your ego at the door. Yeah. So,
if someone's coming at you with negative energy and you're nervous,
you're feeding that energy, and then there's literally a blow
up at some point, ah, someone has a mental breakdown.
And you do that when you're first starting out in makeup.
(11:18):
I thought, I'm never doing a wedding again. I'm like,
so stressful. The bride was in tears, she was having
a meltdown. I was like, What is going on?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Gosh, that's a great point. I don't think I've ever
had my makeup done and felt anything but calmness from
the makeup artist. And I bring a lot of, like,
high energy. I was gonna
Speaker 1 (11:37):
say you're fire energy, which is great.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
But I can imagine though, then they sort of like,
let's keep her calm so that I'm not sitting there going, Woo.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Oh, I think that the person in the chair has
to be ready to perform. And however you get ready,
that's however you get ready. If you like that energy
and you're chatty and you're like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. My job,
and that's how you get ready to perform. My job
isn't to calm that down. My energy is just to
You know, not go too crazy with you, so then
it gets too high.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
It's so interesting that when you are, like, when you're
working with people, how much energy has to play.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
For me, it's everything in every single dynamic, and if
you can be present and aware.
As an artist, and most people are present, and they
don't realize, so many artists I speak to don't realize
the gift that they bring with them, but they create
this space. It's like when you walk into a yoga
studio and you've got this, you walk in, you go
and you go, Yeah. And makeup artists do that quite often.
(12:37):
They understand that I'm in your personal space, this is
your moment. How can I be of service?
And they do it
Speaker 2 (12:43):
without you
realizing that they're trying to manipulate your energy or help
you with yours. Yeah, it's such
a gift.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
There's lots of things that you can do to help
people in that space. And when people have fear sometimes
and nervous energy, it can come out in all different ways.
And I have to just allow that. It's not about me.
It's like, what can I do in this moment to
be kind?
And that's free. I'm sure it's probably why I get books.
I don't. I was about to
say,
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I'd say it has a lot to do with your
success because people would then want to work with you again.
You always remember someone that you have a really good
experience with, cause you can get your makeup done.
By a lot of different talented people. But if you
remember someone's energy and how they made you feel, gosh,
that will get
you so far.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
And I'll tell you, one of my favorite things to
do is to start off with a face massage, because
someone walks into the room and this happens, they're like,
they're rushing from this, rushing from that, then they've got
about an hour with me before they're on set, and
they're like,
And they're like, you know, I've got so much going on.
I'm like, OK, great. How do you like this? Yeah, OK,
we have a conversation. I'm like, What do you need
right now? They're like, Oh, I just need to post it.
(13:49):
I'm like, Great, close your eyes. I'll let you know
when I need anything from you. Apart from that, this
is your time. And all of a sudden, you'll see
them go, Oh, someone's giving me, they're asking what I
need when I've got to be giving all day for
other people. One, they feel seen and heard, and then two,
when you start touching people,
Touch is such a beautiful gift as well, because you
can really show your strength, because you're comfortable touching the
(14:12):
skin and the face and giving them a face massage.
One look, for me, it makes the skin. I'm doing
it for my benefit as well because the makeup's gonna
sit really well if I prep the skin really.
Well. But if I can bring that skin to life
at the same time as calming you, and then you
feel comfortable because the way I've touched your face, I
guarantee you so many people have gone, do whatever you want.
(14:33):
As soon as I've done that 5 minute face massage,
even if I don't have time to do it, and
they're like, you know, we're like, No, we've got 25 minutes.
I'm like,
I don't care. I'm doing that face massage. One, the
person in the chair gets to relax. They're not gonna
be fidgety as much, and then I can do my
job quicker.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
So rather
than them moving and you
have to be like,
Speaker 1 (14:51):
it changes everything.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I love starting makeup off with a facial massage, and
I often talk about how it's often the first step
that a makeup artist will do. What do you use
to do your facial massage?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
My favorite.
Is the Hadalabo, the super hydration lotion one. It's so good.
And the product doesn't dry out too quickly. Like you've
got time to work it in, and then you're building
all that beautiful hyaluronic into the skin, and it just
keeps plumping, plumping, and people go, What? What are you using?
What do you do? Like, how do you do
Speaker 2 (15:21):
you can go get
Speaker 1 (15:22):
it
Speaker 2 (15:22):
from Priceline. It's not
expensive.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Foundation for me, spend the cash.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
So
Well, what are some of your favorite foundations if you
think that's what I'm like, Whoa, OK, you think it's
worth spending money on the foundation. I love foundation, like,
and it's so annoying though when they're so expensive.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
The way I look at it, that's most of the face.
So it also
Speaker 2 (15:44):
lasts a long time. You
Speaker 1 (15:45):
get that, right? Every little accent you do, with an eyeline,
with a lip, with a brow, with a lash, it
all just pops. But if you get that wrong,
You've seen, yeah,
Speaker 2 (15:56):
not good,
Speaker 1 (15:56):
doesn't look good. I remember in the 90s, I was
like a thick, you know, matte. I reckon I look
younger now looking back at those photos. Oh,
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I completely
agree.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
But my favorite foundations, the It Cosmetics CC Cream. Love, love, love.
And then I've got the Chanel in my kit, the
Les Beigess, and I'm probably saying my French very long.
And also the Vita Lumiere, two very different products. The
Vita Lumiere will
Speaker 2 (16:22):
have heard of that one.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
It's fabulous, like beautiful glow. You can shear it right out.
The Lesbeigias, more coverage, still beautiful glow. The Make Up
For Ever.
HD skin. It's really one of those great products where
I can have sheer skin for a fashion shoot, where
it's that no makeup makeup look. I can really shear
it out, or you can do a layer and build
and build and delicately work with it. It's a great product.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Let's touch on makeup crimes quickly. What makes you want
to chase strangers down the street with makeup wipes? What
do you think we're getting really, really wrong with our
everyday looks?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Look, I think sometimes, look, even for me, as I'm aging,
and in the last couple of years being unwell, like,
I'm just not going to get Botox and I'm not
doing those things. So what I've noticed, like, this is
kind of like sitting, and I can't do my eye
makeup how I used to do it. And I think
one of the main key things that people sort of
Don't get right at any age is when you're wanting
(17:19):
that youthful look and keeping the eye open and keeping
a beautiful look to the makeup, is extending the eye
shadow too far. So what happens is sometimes when you're
following the natural shape of the eye, because it's curved,
most eye shapes have a roundedness to them. So if
you're following that whole line down, and then as you're
getting older, you're getting creases in this area as well.
(17:42):
It's gonna start to pull the outside of the eye down. Also,
you're gonna create more shadow area in this area, which
just isn't flattering. Look, if you're going for a fashion
look and you want to pull something out here, I'm
never gonna stop you. I, I don't love rules. Break them. um,
but if you're going for that look.
Where you want everything to be youthful and you want
(18:03):
to keep that uplifted feel to the makeup. You wanna
keep it, you know, when you're doing your brows, where
your finishing point is? You know, when you've got like
a pencil or a pen, and you're going out to
the outside edge of the nose, to the outside edge
of the eye, and keep it in, keep it in
that line. As soon as you pull it one like
tiny little millimeter outside of that, it's gonna start to
(18:25):
pull the eye down.
So keeping everything in this area. But so many people
think you've gotta go, Oh, I've done all this work
on my skin, I've done all of this. I need
to go and get makeup remover, take it all off.
Best thing you can ever do is keep your concealer
and foundation products on the brush. And then, again, in
(18:45):
that line, just go, yeah, and just sweep it off,
because so many people think, Take it all off. And
then you're really taking off all that hydration, you're taking
off everything.
That little with the concealer or the foundation just to
clean it up. I always tell people as well, don't
be scared to use your fingertips in your own products
and on your own face, like when you're doing certain like,
They're the best tools
Speaker 2 (19:05):
and
they warm up
the product.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah. And that's a great tip for foundation. So in winter,
in the colder months, I put the foundation on the
back of my hand, body temperature warms it up.
And then once the body temperature warms it up, then
it's sitting at the same temperature as what the face
will be. There's some really affordable makeup brushes, like the
real techniques. Their face brushes are incredible. I love the
(19:29):
Ray Morris brushes, beautiful. And then also the
Like Kitco love order those online. But those three brands, look,
it depends what your budget is, but there are great
products like Real Techniques, which are affordable. But then your
products like your Ray Morris brushes, you, when you go
to do an eyeline, when you go, you go, Ah,
(19:49):
it makes it so much easier sometimes with different brushes.
So having the right tools really makes the application process easy.
But again,
There's great brushes at all different price points, so don't
think just because something's in Priceline, then it's not great,
go and try it.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah.
If your makeup kit was on fire, and you could
only save 5 products, what would they be?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I just, I nearly had anxiety. Yeah,
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I feel a little bit of anxiety just even asking
it because I'm like, I don't know. OK,
Speaker 1 (20:20):
you're talking to someone who took 26 lipsticks to Bali.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Oh, OK, yeah, that was a silly question, really. 2, like,
were you wanna shoot there?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
No.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
That was just for fun, and you took 26.
Flip products. You're gonna have a heart attack. I went
to Bali recently and took a backpack. What about 5
categories rather than products then?
Speaker 1 (20:40):
That
Speaker 2 (20:40):
might be a
bit,
Speaker 1 (20:42):
right? If I had to break it down to two
eye shadow palettes, the Anastasia Mini in the sultry, because
it's got cooler colors, the tart Reflection, I think it is.
I was there like 25th anniversary edition.
The Rimmel multitasker, um, the Better Than Filters, I'm a
shade 4, so that definitely would come because, and then
(21:03):
I'd have to take the It Cosmetic CC cream, because
it's a CC, it's got sunscreen. It will also give
me the glow. Really
Speaker 2 (21:10):
good coverage, but you can
cheer it out.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Exactly. And then that creaseless concealer, like Tartan, it's not
going anywhere. And
I fucking don't have 11
Speaker 2 (21:20):
lip
Speaker 1 (21:21):
product. The Revlon lip oil or the new one. I
don't know the color I'm wearing, but it's kind of
like a, ooh, cherry, or it's the one I've got
on now. I'm loving it. Revlon
Speaker 2 (21:30):
does, like, their lip products, they absolutely nail.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah.
The Tarte tubing mascara, and then brows, I'm in love
with the 1000 hour blonde micro pencil because I can build.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
OK, that's a really good selection of products. What are
some makeup trends that you absolutely love, and what are
some that you just think should go straight into the bin?
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Oh, trends, trends, trends, trends. The butter skin? Yes, keep. Look,
anything with beautiful skin, I'm a yes girl. Like, I
love skin.
There's a really that red cheek that's sort of in
at the moment. Like, yeah, it's kind of like a
red powder blush, but I think on the right skin tone,
under the right lighting, yes, but for your average every person,
(22:16):
especially someone who's flushed going through menopause. Yeah, I'm not
gonna add redness to the face. I'm trying to get
rid of it. So just be mindful, you know, of
where you're at, what your skin's doing, and how you
could make it work. But it's something I wouldn't say, yeah,
go for it and give it a crack. There's better.
Things to do. It's
Speaker 2 (22:34):
like that trend where people were putting, like they were
doing their blush quite heavily and then putting it across
their nose. I'm like, why do we want to look burnt? I, I,
why do we want to look like we've had ski
goggles on our face? I did not get that trend
at all. I didn't
Speaker 1 (22:47):
think it's not my favorite thing. Another one that I'm
really loving at the moment is.
Like kind of that grunge, cool girl look where they're
just using like the sharp eyeliner on the waterline without
the mascara. And yeah, it's fabulous. So even though
Speaker 2 (23:02):
that horror that that actually terrifies me. Yeah,
Speaker 1 (23:05):
but so
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I'm sure you could get it to work, but I
feel like I would
look.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Look, I think where it works is if you're kind
of going for that grungy, cool girl look, and it's,
even though it's on social media now, if you look
back at all the fashion shoots I've done properly in
the last 7 years.
It's, none of them have mascara. Because what happens when
you use mascara, it makes everything look quite pretty and
girly and dolly and done and done. So when you
(23:29):
take the mascara off and you do kind of this
smudgy line, it just gives an edge to it. And
if that's your vibe, I quite like it, you know,
it's meant to be
playful.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
You're meant to be able to express yourself however you want.
It's all meant to be fun. It's part of
Speaker 1 (23:42):
being creative, and I think so many people have lost.
The joy and the art of being creative, because we're,
we're not born creative or not creative. It's in all
of us. But the way we're educated is very da
da da da da. And, you know, I think finding
that inside yourself really just allows you to feel like
a little kid with that childlike sense of wonder and
(24:03):
don't worry about not getting it perfect. Just have a
bit of fun. Yeah, find the
Speaker 2 (24:07):
joy in.
Expressing like through hair, makeup,
Speaker 1 (24:11):
clothes, and creating that little morning ritual, which is what
I do with my skincare in the morning.
Coming back to yourself, and again, like we were talking
about with touch, it's that beautiful thing which can bring
you back into your body because you're aware of yourself
and then you can sit back, you can be present.
And if I have to go and look after everyone
all day, and I haven't looked after myself internally first
(24:34):
to make sure, am I connected? Am I present.
I don't bring that same energy when I'm with you.
And it's a disservice to other people, you know, as
well as yourself. So I always make a really big
mention to myself in the morning, how do I get ready?
How do I prepare? And creating a little ritual with
my skincare routine, that touch and feel that I do
for other people, why shouldn't I do that for myself?
(24:57):
And it's that real having a moment. And then if
you wanna
At a lip. If you want to do something, you know, Oh,
how do I feel today? Oh, I feel playful. Ooh,
I feel like I want this. And,
Speaker 2 (25:07):
and when you've
put in that little bit of effort and time for yourself,
it actually does set you up for a better day,
and it makes you feel really good. Yeah. Let's talk celebrities.
Goss time, who has been an absolute dream boat to
work with and who has been really surprisingly lovely or
just
(25:27):
Made you feel
incredible.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, I was working with this amazing powerhouse, like, high
up in one of the big, like, Amazon companies, and
she literally had people.
In the room typing away, and she walked in and
something terrible had happened at home, back in the States.
And she's like, got off this phone call and it
was like really intense. I said, What do you need?
(25:49):
She's like, I'm already cut out time. I'm like, I
can work quickly. She's like, I need to make a
phone call. I'm like, go. She came in.
And everyone's in the room like they're like there there
was like rows of people. I was like this is insane.
And she was about to perform in front of 3500 people.
She's like, as soon as we're done, they've booked me
an emergency flight, I've got to get home.
(26:09):
And I sat there and I thought, this poor woman
is like so intense. And so I went, I'm literally
gonna have 35 minutes for full hair and makeup, but
she needs my face massage. And I gave her that
face massage, and you should have seen, like, there was
almost tears, like, I'm an emotional Pisce, and so I'll
cry at most things. And I gave her that face massage,
and she said,
I don't even need to worry, do I? She said,
(26:30):
I'm just gonna sit here for a minute. I'm like,
You've got 30 minutes to yourself. Take a breath. Yeah.
And anyway, 10 minutes later, she says, Everyone, can we
just have the room to ourselves, please? So everyone left
the room. She's like, OK, what do I need to
get that I can't get in America? Um, da da
da da da. And I gave her a list and
she literally texted to someone and sent them out to
the shops. But so it was, you know, and from
(26:50):
then on, she's like, Can I fly you here? Can
I fly you there? Can I fly?
Because you show someone kindness, now if I added, oh
my God, like 35 minutes, how am I gonna do
hair and
Speaker 2 (27:00):
make you look
gorgeous in that amount
of time,
Speaker 1 (27:02):
you know, as if I added and reciprocated that energy.
Mm. That's not helping anybody. So, yeah, and to be
able to do that for someone.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Did you get the hair and makeup
Speaker 1 (27:13):
done? Yeah, of course I did. That's another fabulous celebrity.
It was for the global premiere of Thor, and the
female talent was out here.
And I walked in, I was just doing makeup, I
wasn't doing hair, and the hair people walked in and
there were 2 of them.
This poor girl had just got off a 24 hour flight,
just come off back to back films, and she was
(27:35):
just exhausted. And it's intense. And then you're gonna have
cameras cameras, cameras, cameras. Anyway, I was doing the makeup,
they arrived late to do hair. Then they turned up
and they were like, bang, bang, bang, pulling and this
and that. And she was like, I said, Honey, I'm
just gonna step back. I said, I can do this
in 10 minutes once everything's calmed down. She's like, Thank you.
And just, I could see she was just, you know,
(27:56):
it was, it was a lot.
And then she literally looked at me and she's like,
I'm freaking out. I'm like it's, all right, I've got
your back. She's like, Will you stay and do red carpet?
Will you stay and do this? She's like, Tomorrow, I
don't want any of this other energy. Can I, do
you do hair? I'm like, Yes. I was meant to
go on a date that night, so I messaged the date,
and I'm like, it was a first date, I think.
And I'm like, Hey, sorry, I've got to do red carpet,
(28:18):
but I've got tickets to the premiere.
Do you want to meet me there, and do you
wanna go? And they're like, That's better than going to dinner. Yeah,
that's way better than dinner. So this guy turned up
with popcorn and like treats and everything. I said, like,
I haven't eaten. If you could find me some snacks
on the way, I'd be really grateful. And anyway, so
we went in, Kenneth Branagh's up there, the whole cast
are up there, you know, they had to take your
phones off you cause it's global premiere.
(28:39):
And then he's
Speaker 2 (28:40):
like, this is very
cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1 (28:42):
first day, I'm like I'll throw it in, you'll either
sink or swim. Yeah,
Speaker 2 (28:45):
yeah, yeah, exactly.
You'll either have a fantastic time together or not, but
you still went.
Well, that's all the time we have for today. Melanie
has given us.
A free masterclass. I don't even know what that would
be valued at, but I am so impressed and my
mind has been blown. For all of the products that we've, uh,
(29:06):
name dropped today, we've chatted about, make sure that you
check out the show notes. And if you loved this episode,
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This episode of You Beauty was produced by the incredible
Molly Harwood and Sophie Campbell with Audio Magic by Tegan Sadler.
(29:30):
Thanks for listening, beauty lovers, bye.
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