July 10, 2025 • 25 mins
TNA's Hardy Boyz and KC Navarro stopped by the studio to discuss all things TNA SLAMMIVERSARY at UBS Arena on Long Island in July. We talked about the legacy of the Hardyz, the most painful bump they've taken, the infamous "spear off the ladder" at Wrestlemania 17 and more.
KC Navarro chatted about his upcoming Ladder Match with the Hardyz, wrestling them for the first time and more.
KC Navarro chatted about his upcoming Ladder Match with the Hardyz, wrestling them for the first time and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Heyo't Z one hundred, New York's number one hit music station.
I'm Josh Martinez with our guests from TNA Wrestling, Casey Navarro,
Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, the Living Legends, the Hardy Boys.
That's going on, gentlemen, what's help us up?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good morning out blanking out and having a great time
in New York. Man, it's super excited. We have on
July twentieth, Slumber Groshery is going to be on at
Ubs Arena. Yep, and it may very well be the
biggest TNA show ever.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
It's shaping up to be that way. You know, when
you guys come in and you guys sign with TNA
and you start doing your thing and you see this
massive building on the schedule for their huge event, do
you guys feel any additional pressure of being kind of
the veterans that are going to help lead the way.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
No, I don't really. It's it's been just the last year.
It's been so exciting, just filling the growth and the
evolution of TNA in twenty twenty five. So more than anything,
it's exciting as to how many people are actually going
to show up.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
It is. It is exciting. TNA isn't such a great resurgence.
It's been white hot recently. But I will say I
do feel like we're out doing this media. We are
two of the top draws, and I do want to
push tickets. I want to sell tickets and I hope
we can be a part of that. So that is
a little nerve wrecking in some ways, Like I know,
it is our job. At the end of the day,
it'd be like, come in and be the cleanup hitters
(01:13):
and hit a home run, hit a Grand Slam, and
that's what we're trying to do.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So now, using that analogy, Casey as the you know,
lead off guy batting number two in the lineup, what's
that pressure like for you, because it's basically a hometown show. Yeah,
but also you have something to prove not only to
your peers, but to icons that are working alongside.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
With you, Right, sure, man, I mean it's crazy. I
mean the last time I was here, I was saying, Hey,
I believe I'm gonna have a major role on the show.
I need to have a major role on the show.
And here I am. I'm in the same match with
the Hardys, in a match that they made famous for
tag team titles. So yeah, is there pressure, for sure,
But it's nothing I didn't see coming.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
You know, I spoke it out to existence, and I
believe that once I get something like an opportunity like
that in my hands, I'm ready to knock it out
of the park.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
How crazy is it like growing up watching these dudes
on your TV with your family, and now all of
a sudden you are working with them.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
It's it's still surreal. I always bring up the story
of when I signed with TNA back in October. When
I first got brought in was the end of August.
I remember I had my first two matches and after my
second match, they offered me my contract and they look
at me and they go, oh, you got to go
cut a promo because the next show you're wrestling the Hardies.
My third match is the Hardys. Did my match with
the Hardies, I came to the back and Tommy Dreamer
(02:22):
looks at me and goes, are you crying? I go, yeah,
I just wrestled the Hardies and it sold out place. Man,
So yeah, I mean, it's so surreal. It's so cool.
We're getting to learn from them and be around them.
Is That's the coolest part for me.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
At what point did you guys realize that you are
legitimately changing the game forever when it comes to tag
team wrestling.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
You know, it's a tough question to answer. I think
when you're actively doing it, and we were just in
such the mode of go, go, go go when we're
doing WV stuff. I think after we had the Tech
Team Ladder match against Edutrician, we knew we had done
something special because that changed the game from us. We
went from me wrestlers to superstars. Our reactions were different
(03:02):
every single night following that, and it really elevates to
the next level. I want to say after we started
doing the Triangle Lader match resuming in two thousand TLC
one at SummerSlam TLC two WRESTLINGI seventeen. I feel like
after all that happened, we realized like we are part
of a movement, Like we have changed the game. Like
TLC is a staple of pro wrestling pay per view now.
(03:22):
It's a pl now yeah, and it's full middle Mayhem
and TNA. It has it, but it is something that
will last for eternity. It's infinite now and pro wrestling
is something we created. We were two of the six
forefathers of it.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Yeah, that tag team ladder match with Edge and Christian
changed our paths like big time because all we knew
and all wrestling fans knew was the Shawn Michaels Razor
Ramone ladder match. We studied that thanks so hard, and
we would recreate that match so much on the indies.
But then to get to do it in a tag
team form was just that was a game changer for us.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
So that was no Mercy ninety nine. So then fast
forward a little bit. There's is an iconic spear at
WrestleMania seventeen with Edge you swinging.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Who can up with that spot?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I'm sure he told the story a thousand times, but
it's just fascinating because it is now in like this
lexicon of wrestling clips that we see all the time
to this day in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It is one of the most iconic spots in all
of prom wrestling.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
So who came up with it? What was that?
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Take credit?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
We were the night before I like picked the ladder
up with my legs. As I was holding on to
the thing, it was kind of like moving around with
it and I always say I felt like a big spider.
I know that don't make any sense, but I felt
like a big spider. But evidently Rhino was out there
and he had something to do with it.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Really. Oh yeah, he was the one suggested because we said,
like at Adam edge had to jump to spear him, obviously,
but then Jeff is, if he's just sitting there, if
he spears them, it's a possibility he could rotate over
on his head and it's super dangerous. I mean, it's
he's fourteen feet up here, fifteen feet up whatever it
is where he was hanging. So Rhino actually had and
he said, what if his feet were into the ladder
(04:53):
like that and you pulled him back and he could
get momentum where he could swing it to it, and
then Adam's coming this way, and then they meet in
the middle and there to go down, and they should
cover everything where people could bump a little more safely.
And that's kind of how that came to be. It
was just kind of sitting there, just kind of like
shooting the breeze, talking about things and doing.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Man and you can't like practice, that's a one take.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Only when the red light is on.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Sure one take, Jake, is what your your new gimmick
becomes while this bump you've ever taken? Mat, Do you
have one that comes to mind immediately?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
The thing I think that that hurt me so much.
I mean I'd been doing leg drops for twelve thirteen
years at this point. Was when I did the leg
drop off the cage on edge and protected him greatly,
and my lower back and hips and pelvis they still
hate me, right, This one come in to mind for you.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Oh for sure?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Man Like.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
It kind of started when I was working Bobby Lashley
here in New York Man and I missed the swanton
on the stairs for the first time ever and it
got such a great reaction. But then later on I
was having a cage match with James Storm and there
was some spots where I was trying to escape and
somebody opened the door, so I was balancing on the
door of the cage, and then whoever was outside, I
(06:02):
ended up crotching myself owned the door. But then James
came with the cow bell and hit me, and then
it swung the door back and it took a bump
to the stairs and then to the floor, and it
was just like super smooth.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
So when you see someone like Casey who gets excited
and wants to do certain things, how many times have
you been told no already just for the sake of
your body?
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Definitely more recently, a lot more, for sure. I've definitely
been told noll a lot more for sure recently.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
So what advice would you have, Jeff, for someone like
Casey who's like, Yeah, I have this great idea and
it's like your body. You could do it now, but
you're gonna pay. You're gonna pay for it in about
ten fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah, I would just say, in the moment, man, if
you feel it, and I've always had that feeling, Oh
this is scary, but I feel good about this. I
feel like I can do it. As long as you
trust your intuition, I say, roll with it, man. If
you can pass it to the higher ups and they
allow it, man, just go all the way with it.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
So, Matt, when it comes to kind of evolving the character,
I would say that you have done a really good
job of kind of evolving through the last couple of decades.
Was there a particular gimmick that you would say just
doesn't get appreciated the way it should and why is
it mattitude. Yeah, actually the Mattitude facts on the side.
(07:12):
To this day, me and my siblings recite some of
them for no particular reason other than like Matt doesn't
like mayonnaise on a sandwich or whatever, like it happens
to be.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Matt strongly dislikes mustard and he m versus was so
great man, Yeah, that was like, well, I felt that
was a great opportunity for me because Jeff is the
epitome of what the Hardy Boys represent, right, He's this guy,
an adrenaline junkie, not afraid of anything, fearless. He'll do
all these high risk, crazy maneuvers, you know, a rock star.
(07:41):
And I feel like I can do that to a degree.
But like my strength is when I get to play
a character, it's kind of over the top, marginal life,
almost delusional, and Matt Hardy version one was that, you know,
mattitude was like this religion that I was pushing on people,
and because of Mattitude, I had it and I was
more special than everybody else. So that was great. And
I remember when I told him, even the when media
player screen that was there, I suggested doing stuff based
(08:02):
on the Internet because I said, I remember telling the
office in WB I said, you know, the internet's growing rapidly.
I think it's gonna play a big part in wrestling.
With self said and done, I think this would be cool.
It's kind of like ahead of his time, and I'm
Version one. It's kind of a play on the Internet
and everything. And they go, look, Matt, I know you
think this Internet is gonna be a big deal for wrestling,
but it's not. Kind of get over look a look
where we're at now. You know, you can't go thirty
(08:23):
seconds without seeing a social media post by some company.
You know, it's all over the place and obviously helped
sell things and it opened up so many new windows
for pro wrestling. So just doing that was so much fun.
And I think that run could have been a lot greater.
It started off great, Vince was there fully behind me.
There were a couple of things, injuries and things happened,
but it really is one of my favorite characters. My
two favorite characters are Broken Matt and Matt Hardy Version one.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
So when it came to the broken woken Matt character,
is there anything that you feel that the fans misunderstood
about the character, If anything, I think.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
It took them a little while to understand what I
was going for because I wanted to do rollback to
the days of Papa Shango, to the original Undertaker, when
he was magic, supernatural, whatever else. It said, let me
try that. Everybody's so athletic. Now you know, I'm older,
I'm a little bit dea. Let me try do character
work and see if I can make it happen. And
whenever we first started doing Broken Man and the Broken Mat,
(09:15):
we didn't want to take ourself too serious. We wanted
to be a little campy, a little over the top,
a little cartoonish, much to a throwback of how wrestling
was way back in the day and that period it had.
And I think at first there were people said, oh
my god, this is great. It's a throwback. It's the
greatest thing I've ever seen, because these guys were going
back to old school. It's kind of like a cartoonish character.
I love it so much. The other half, the internet fans,
(09:36):
the sikos, whatever, these guys were saying like, this is
the worst trash I've ever seen in my life. It's terrible,
it's awful. What are the hardy boys doing? They're going
to screw up their legacy everything else. But it was
so polarizing and he got so much intense feedback. People
were talking, and I knew we were onto something, and
we just stayed the courseman, and kept doing it. Initially,
it became the biggest thing in wrestling.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
So, Casey, you weren't really around during Papa Shango and
the original literation of the Undertaker. So when you're starting
out in the wrestling industry kind of college age, if
you will, and you see this happening on TV and
all over social media, that's how I discovered it originally
with social media.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
What's your thought process?
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Like, these guys are doing things that I don't remember
them doing when I was in middle school.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I honestly loved the whole thing. I'm so into character
work and all that stuff because, in my opinion, I
feel like that's what really makes it right now. Like,
the moves are great. I know that's kind of crazy
coming from a young guy saying like, oh, you know,
I sound like a young veteran. Oh you know, the
moves are cool. But I honestly think the character work
is what develops the connection to the audience. So when
Matt was doing all that with all the different characters
(10:34):
stuff I was fully invested in.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
So Wrestlmania thirty three, you're probably watching along with everybody else, right,
and then this massive surprise happens. Do you remember where
you were in your reactions?
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yeah, I was hanging out, man, I'm putting them over
to Socad, But I was hanging out with my boys,
Tyler and AJ. We were at my friend Tyler's house
and we were sitting there watching and The New Day
came out and we're like, oh, what's going on. I
remember just sitting back going, man, why do I got
like a really good feeling about this? And my friends
are like, man, the New Day are putting themselves in this.
I was like, nah, man, I don't know when that
(11:04):
music hit, man, we all just jumped and start losing
our minds, man, Like it was wild seeing them. Do
you guys, Do you.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Guys go back, Jeff and watch that entrance on YouTube
or Twitter if it happens to pop up on the timeline.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Oh, I'll see it all the time, and I'm so
proud of it. And that's probably my number one moment,
like all of our stuff that we've done, man, because
there was a time. My second run in TNA, I
was like, man, I'll probably never be back in the WB.
But for that to actually happen, and the build up
to that from Broken Matt creating this Expedition of Gold thing,
it just still blows my mind how it all ended
with finally, you know, becoming the w B Champions at Wrestlemaney,
(11:38):
it was insane, Matt.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Do you when it pops up? Are you like, hey, kids,
come over here, let me show you what Poppy could do?
What Poppy does I have forced them to watch? I think, No,
it's it's so cool, you know. Don't tell anybody, but
I was with Triple H about six months in a man,
so we booked it all out.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
But no, the the ironic twist of fate ended up taking.
How we ended up winning all the time titles was
so cool. We were the TNA Tag Champs, were the
Ring of Honor Tag Champs, then we win the w
B Tech titles. It's a great moment and we do
see it all the time, and it's so crazy. How
the further we get away from that moment, I think
the more important it becomes to me, because it really
was such a special moment, and much like Jeff says,
(12:16):
it is one hundred percent one of the top three
moments of our career, no doubt. And there are so
many people said, oh my god, I was there in
WrestleMania and I did this, and I'm so glad I
was gonna go to the bathroom. I was going to
go with the concessions, and I'm so glad it didn't.
It was a niconic moment and there were so many
videos all across the world that were people in Japan,
people in Germany, people in Australia that were losing their
monds at us coming out. It was just such an
amazing moment and I'm so grateful we were given that opportunity.
(12:39):
I'm so grateful turned out like it did.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I think one of the coolest things is that it
was a way for fans to give you your flowers.
And I think that we need to do a better
job as a society to give flowers while people are
still around, rather than waiting for the career to be
done or even worse right or decades later, and it's like, oh,
you know, here's the flowers for this person. And I
think that was just the beautiful opportunity, and that's been
(13:01):
almost wild that It's been almost fucking ten years now,
by the way, and you guys are still out here
grinding and hustling. Is there a match or a program
that comes to your minds where you guys didn't get
the flowers? You think it properly deserved.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Trying to think of something, well, something I thought was
really good that it wasn't on a huge network at
that time, it was very hard to get TNA. But
whenever I ended up doing a double turn with EC
three in our foss Count Anywhere match, and I became
the bad guy, he became the good guy and we
had a little program for a while. I think my
program with EC three is one of the best I've
(13:37):
ever done. And I think that False count Anywhere match
where we did the double turns is my most underrated
matchup mark career. Okay, so that was one thing I
think doesn't get the love of flowers, And I agree
with you man, we need to do that in every capacity.
Every human being that is alive and living while they
are alive, appreciate them for what they've done.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
What about your jeffin This is one thing that comes
about I don't know what royal rumble it was. It
might have been when we were like first or second,
where we first second, or we really early when we
came out.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
There first and second two thousand and one or yeah,
two thousand and one. With Drew Carry was part of
that one too. You just went out together.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
You and someone else was first and second and I
was third.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Okay, But anyway, the way we did the elimination, like
we both got eliminated is this is what I'm trying
to describe. But I had had my fishnet shirt on it.
I took it off somewhere during the match and had
it run my waist or something. But it was so
genius in my opinion, Like the shirt was connected to
Matt's belt or something. If you watch in slow mo
and you can you can see what's going on. But like,
(14:35):
and my shirt being connected to him like pulled me
off of the top ropes where we both were eliminated,
you know, And I just thought that was the coolest
thing ever, the coolest elimination.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
So that was when with Drew Carry.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I remember that Drew Carrey eliminated the Hardy Boys.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
And the record books.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
He was the only one in the ring when it happened, wow, so.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Like please don't touch me, guys.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
So casey, when it comes to kind of being in
not only with the Hardies, but a lot of other
kind of living legends that are back there, when do
you realize, like, okay, I belong here. When does when
does it stop? Of like the I don't want to
say kind of the fan girling or whatever if you will,
but kind of like, you know what, I belong here.
I'm here for a reason. If that even has stopped.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
I think it happened my first day or the or
the day that they told me I was wrestling them, okay,
because I think that was the biggest challenge they could
have gave me. Like I walked in. My first night
was sort of tag team titles against Chris Bay and
Ace Austin wrestled them again then right away to throw
me against you know, the Hardy's, and then my fourth
match was Joe and Nick Nemeth, which were their other
two top guys. So once I knew that I got
(15:39):
through the match with the Hardy's and I cried it out,
I was like, yeah, I definitely belonged here. I could
definitely hang with these guys. And I mean, I've been
in the company for eight months and I can say
I've wrestled all the main event guys, the Hardy's, Nick Neamuth,
Joe Hendry did the NXT thing.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
It's kind of wild. I've had a wild eight months,
so I definitely feel like I belong now going into
the NXT thing a little bit. When you find out, hey,
this is what the what the creative is and now
you are going to be on WWE Television on growing
up here in this market you know, Warner Brothers on
Channel eleven right now, it's picks. What was the first
off that came to mind?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
I made it. I did it, Yeah, I uh, because
it was very unexpected. You know, I wasn't even supposed
to wrestle. The day that I found out I was.
It was under siege. AJ Francis, my partner, was going
to wrestle Mike Santana, and then I heard that it
got switched and I was wrestling Mike Santana, but we
didn't understand why. And then when we got pulled to
the side and we were told, hey, we're going to
send you guys to NXT case he needs a big match.
(16:35):
We're gonna put them with Mike. I was like, oh wow,
And I was like, if I can get through this
match of Mike, this, this is it right there. But
I was like wow, man, I mean I just thought
back to everything I went through, you know, growing up,
getting bullied, being told I'd never see those bright lights,
never share locker room with guys like this, And it
was like, man, I thought I made it when I
shared a locker room with them, and I never thought
I'd even be a part of the crossover. And then
(16:55):
when we're told that they specifically picked us, it was
it was a blessed man.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
It was cool.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
How exciting is it for you guys? Because you guys
were on XT a few months ago, the New York
City show. I believe when you guys are backstage kind
of seeing all this up and coming talent, Well, what's
that exciting level for you guys? Because I mean, I'm
sure it's exciting for you.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
It was super cool for me. I was with there
to b like during the pandemic, and I spent a
lot of time at the Performance Center, but when we
went there, it was Matt's first time ever there, right,
and so that was just kind of bizarre in it
in itself, but just being back to where it all
kind of started and overall with our careers. Men, ww,
it just feels like home and it's where it's it
was meant to begin and where it's kind of meant
(17:31):
to end. So yeah, it's just it's a good feeling
to come out to, especially here in New York at NXT.
Man the team Praxium that are on a different level
when it comes to speed and all that stuff. To
be able to go out there and have a good
match with them and feel all that energetic love Man
from the people. Man was just so so overwhelmingly cool.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
It was great and it was so much fun. And
Tommy Dreamer, who's kind of like the headgun charge of
booking here t a now he has put us int
as to succeed and if you do that, there's still
a lot of equity in Man, Jeff Hardy, because we
can still go at a pretty high level. Obviously, we
can't do what we did twenty five years ago, you know,
things have changed a little bit. But we were in
there with Praxium and once again Sean Michaels. In the next day,
they followed that exact same formula, and we showed how
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much of a home run and a Grand Slam we
can hit if given the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Who would you, guys say is the most underrated performer
that you see out there today, whether it's in another
company or someone that's maybe caught your eye on social media.
Anybody comes to mind for you too, That is that's.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
A good question, especially when you say underrated. I mean
I would have said that, and I'm glad they got
caught up to the main roster because Praxium really is
you know, and size doesn't matter quite as much in
this day and age, but when it comes to working
in the ring and the style they work, I mean
they're much like Case. You know, some sizes getting smaller,
which is cool. We were some of the guys that help,
you know, blaze the trail to like Mike size a
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little smaller because you know, we know, nobody wrestled at
our size back in the day US edgend Christian. Everything
else in the styles has changed. So I would say
Practium is one team that I am glad they are
getting the flowers now and they're they're on the main
roster and hopefully they get bigger and better opportunities.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I love that, Jeff, anyone come to mind or I'm
I'm stifling a little bit. It's all good.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
It's all good.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
When it comes to kind of the legacy of the
Hardy Boys, What do you guys want people to remember
about the two of you.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I think I want them to remember that we were groundbreakers,
that we were trailblazers. You know, we came in. We
we opened up doors for guys that were smaller, We
opened up doors for guys who worked a different style.
We opened up doors for people who wanted to do
things out of the box and present wrestling and tell
stories in a different way. For instance, we you know,
used inanimate objects like tables, ladders, and chairs, and we
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made that into something iconic, which is a staple of
pro wrestling now even later on. I think we both
kind of reinvented and and and set the stage for
the new cinematic style of matching when we did the
Final Deletion and everything else. We were never afraid to change,
you know, was always up for doing something and thinking
out of the box, thinking out of the ordinary. I
want all that to be part of our legacy. And
(20:04):
then I also want people to remember that we always
get back. It was important to us when we were
there the events in the nineties. It was the water
worlded West. They didn't really share their secrets. They didn't
really give you a ton of advice. You kind of
had to figure it out as you went, and you
had to learn through learn by trial and error, and
also learn through experience. But now we are very happy
to give back and say this is what you do,
or maybe do this, Casey, or maybe do this whatever. Whatever.
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Guy's there, especially someone who has a great attitude and
you can see something happening for them.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Jeff, I would definitely like to be remembered and known
as like maybe the or one of, but maybe the
most authentic and original human beings to ever do it.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Man.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
So Casey, if you have to say one nice thing
about the heartys well comes to mind for you, you
have to say at least one nice thing. Now you
put them over enough for one more, a little cherry
on top.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Man, I feel like there's not enough work to put
them over with. I mean, I could probably be here
all day, but I think it's just like Matt said,
like they give back, like they really do. Like I said,
I'll never forget my first match with them, I was
really nervous, but they were not hesitant to let me
do my thing out there. So that's one thing that
I'm grateful for when it comes to the Hardies, for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
So you guys have been around for quite some time,
so obviously there's a lot of fan questions. So we'll
try to do rapid fire. Daniel Nuddy wants to know
what is your dream retirement match, Matt, do you have
one that comes to mind?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Myself and Jeff versus edgend Christian letteratch.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Jeff, do you have one that comes to mind?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Hey, that sounds good, so.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I think it can make some money too. Justin Hafner,
We'll start with you, Jeff, what match do you love
the most in your career.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
As far as the tag team room of pro wrestling,
the first ever tag team ladder match within in my
singles career, definitely the Underdog versus the Man match with
the Undertaker.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Matt, I would say that the tag team lader matching me.
We're sena and that's the match that put us on
the map. As far as the singles match goes, myself
versus Edge in the Cage or myself versus Jeff or
something in twenty five that was also another dream we
have to live out. T J.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Waters wants to know who inducts you into the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Michael, Hey, michaela out.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Is it true that he came up with all these
ideas to hurt you guys, not not intentionally, but like
all this crazy shit that you guys did came from
like a lot of his ideas.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I mean, he came up with a lot of crazy ideas.
A lot of them were ours too, but he would
have wild ideas. Like there was one time which he
hit his suggestion of this kind of spawned an idea.
He said, Hey, he said, could you do a thing
like where, you know, maybe Jeff's standing on the edge
of the ladder and it's like a sling shot in
the mat. You jump off the top rope and plan
(22:46):
and then he goes catapulting through there and he can
hit like a due a four fifty or flip and
take somebody out. I was like, well, I don't think
we can do that, you know, with I mean, this
guy weighs two hundred and twenty pounds. I said, like,
that's kind of like cartoon stuff. Michael, I said, but
maybe we can do something with that, and we ended
up doing the deal where I would be fighting over
the ladder and Jeff's sat on the ladder and it
would pop up and take me and the opponent out
or wherever.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Else, which was successful ninety nine percent of the time,
although there was that one time with Joey Mercury that well,
get your.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Hands up, brother, get your hands up. It can be dangerous.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Jonathan William wants to know if you guys never became wrestlers,
and this is for all three of you, actually, what
would you be doing right now?
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Jeff, I think I would own the landscaping company most likely.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Okay, Matt, I would be an engineer.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Casey, I'd probably be in the US Army like my dad.
That's probably what I would have done.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
So TNA Slammiversary Ubs Arena late July tickets, Aron Sale. Now,
you guys are have an interesting night that night with
each other. It'll be a lot of fun. Before we
wrap things up real quick, what is your favorite memory
of New York.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
I got right to the first ever tag team Tables
match with the Dudley's Men, and that Swantan bomb out
there in the crowd and put Eva to the table
to win the match, and Matt carry and carry me
back to the ring. I mean that was That's probably
it for me.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
That's a great memory too, because we weren't on a
big match, a marquee match in Madison Square Garden. It
was her dream rustle. Also the very first time we
wrestled in Masison Square Garden. We just been on the
road for maybe three weeks, four weeks, like less than
a month. Wow. And I'll never forget driving the car.
It was myself, Jeff and Scottie too haughty and we
drove through the Lincoln Tunnel and when I came out
(24:27):
on the other side for the very first time driving
in New York City out of middle of nowhere, nothing country,
North Carolina, Like, there's a cab cutting me off and
it's like, if you don't slam on the brakes, you're
gonna hit you. And I was like, Jesus Christ, New
York City really is different from any other place because
it was a madhouse. I mean, that's what makes the
city so unique and special.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I think I go back to that moment every time
I go through the Lincoln Tunnel, man, because it was
so like you're entering a new world or something.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
There, and you loved it so much. You married a
woman from New York City. I did, but I.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Had to bring her to where I was, and that
it's too quiet, too quiet, for there's not enough horns
and there's not enough a sirens.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
But you know what, you get the bad bunny going
and everything will be fine.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
After that, it's got to blast the music.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
It worked out once we got to the pandemic. She
appreciated the quiet and the Salama.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
There you go one more time, Casey Navarro. The hardy
Boys appreciate you guys coming by. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Bamin
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I'm Josh Martinez with our guests from TNA Wrestling, Casey Navarro,
Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, the Living Legends, the Hardy Boys.
That's going on, gentlemen, what's help us up?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Good morning out blanking out and having a great time
in New York. Man, it's super excited. We have on
July twentieth, Slumber Groshery is going to be on at
Ubs Arena. Yep, and it may very well be the
biggest TNA show ever.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
It's shaping up to be that way. You know, when
you guys come in and you guys sign with TNA
and you start doing your thing and you see this
massive building on the schedule for their huge event, do
you guys feel any additional pressure of being kind of
the veterans that are going to help lead the way.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
No, I don't really. It's it's been just the last year.
It's been so exciting, just filling the growth and the
evolution of TNA in twenty twenty five. So more than anything,
it's exciting as to how many people are actually going
to show up.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
It is. It is exciting. TNA isn't such a great resurgence.
It's been white hot recently. But I will say I
do feel like we're out doing this media. We are
two of the top draws, and I do want to
push tickets. I want to sell tickets and I hope
we can be a part of that. So that is
a little nerve wrecking in some ways, Like I know,
it is our job. At the end of the day,
it'd be like, come in and be the cleanup hitters
(01:13):
and hit a home run, hit a Grand Slam, and
that's what we're trying to do.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
So now, using that analogy, Casey as the you know,
lead off guy batting number two in the lineup, what's
that pressure like for you, because it's basically a hometown show. Yeah,
but also you have something to prove not only to
your peers, but to icons that are working alongside.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
With you, Right, sure, man, I mean it's crazy. I
mean the last time I was here, I was saying, Hey,
I believe I'm gonna have a major role on the show.
I need to have a major role on the show.
And here I am. I'm in the same match with
the Hardys, in a match that they made famous for
tag team titles. So yeah, is there pressure, for sure,
But it's nothing I didn't see coming.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
You know, I spoke it out to existence, and I
believe that once I get something like an opportunity like
that in my hands, I'm ready to knock it out
of the park.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Man.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
How crazy is it like growing up watching these dudes
on your TV with your family, and now all of
a sudden you are working with them.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
It's it's still surreal. I always bring up the story
of when I signed with TNA back in October. When
I first got brought in was the end of August.
I remember I had my first two matches and after my
second match, they offered me my contract and they look
at me and they go, oh, you got to go
cut a promo because the next show you're wrestling the Hardies.
My third match is the Hardys. Did my match with
the Hardies, I came to the back and Tommy Dreamer
(02:22):
looks at me and goes, are you crying? I go, yeah,
I just wrestled the Hardies and it sold out place. Man,
So yeah, I mean, it's so surreal. It's so cool.
We're getting to learn from them and be around them.
Is That's the coolest part for me.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
At what point did you guys realize that you are
legitimately changing the game forever when it comes to tag
team wrestling.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
You know, it's a tough question to answer. I think
when you're actively doing it, and we were just in
such the mode of go, go, go go when we're
doing WV stuff. I think after we had the Tech
Team Ladder match against Edutrician, we knew we had done
something special because that changed the game from us. We
went from me wrestlers to superstars. Our reactions were different
(03:02):
every single night following that, and it really elevates to
the next level. I want to say after we started
doing the Triangle Lader match resuming in two thousand TLC
one at SummerSlam TLC two WRESTLINGI seventeen. I feel like
after all that happened, we realized like we are part
of a movement, Like we have changed the game. Like
TLC is a staple of pro wrestling pay per view now.
(03:22):
It's a pl now yeah, and it's full middle Mayhem
and TNA. It has it, but it is something that
will last for eternity. It's infinite now and pro wrestling
is something we created. We were two of the six
forefathers of it.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Yeah, that tag team ladder match with Edge and Christian
changed our paths like big time because all we knew
and all wrestling fans knew was the Shawn Michaels Razor
Ramone ladder match. We studied that thanks so hard, and
we would recreate that match so much on the indies.
But then to get to do it in a tag
team form was just that was a game changer for us.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
So that was no Mercy ninety nine. So then fast
forward a little bit. There's is an iconic spear at
WrestleMania seventeen with Edge you swinging.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Who can up with that spot?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I'm sure he told the story a thousand times, but
it's just fascinating because it is now in like this
lexicon of wrestling clips that we see all the time
to this day in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It is one of the most iconic spots in all
of prom wrestling.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
So who came up with it? What was that?
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Take credit?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
We were the night before I like picked the ladder
up with my legs. As I was holding on to
the thing, it was kind of like moving around with
it and I always say I felt like a big spider.
I know that don't make any sense, but I felt
like a big spider. But evidently Rhino was out there
and he had something to do with it.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Really. Oh yeah, he was the one suggested because we said,
like at Adam edge had to jump to spear him, obviously,
but then Jeff is, if he's just sitting there, if
he spears them, it's a possibility he could rotate over
on his head and it's super dangerous. I mean, it's
he's fourteen feet up here, fifteen feet up whatever it
is where he was hanging. So Rhino actually had and
he said, what if his feet were into the ladder
(04:53):
like that and you pulled him back and he could
get momentum where he could swing it to it, and
then Adam's coming this way, and then they meet in
the middle and there to go down, and they should
cover everything where people could bump a little more safely.
And that's kind of how that came to be. It
was just kind of sitting there, just kind of like
shooting the breeze, talking about things and doing.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Man and you can't like practice, that's a one take.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Only when the red light is on.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Sure one take, Jake, is what your your new gimmick
becomes while this bump you've ever taken? Mat, Do you
have one that comes to mind immediately?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
The thing I think that that hurt me so much.
I mean I'd been doing leg drops for twelve thirteen
years at this point. Was when I did the leg
drop off the cage on edge and protected him greatly,
and my lower back and hips and pelvis they still
hate me, right, This one come in to mind for you.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Oh for sure?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Man Like.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
It kind of started when I was working Bobby Lashley
here in New York Man and I missed the swanton
on the stairs for the first time ever and it
got such a great reaction. But then later on I
was having a cage match with James Storm and there
was some spots where I was trying to escape and
somebody opened the door, so I was balancing on the
door of the cage, and then whoever was outside, I
(06:02):
ended up crotching myself owned the door. But then James
came with the cow bell and hit me, and then
it swung the door back and it took a bump
to the stairs and then to the floor, and it
was just like super smooth.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
So when you see someone like Casey who gets excited
and wants to do certain things, how many times have
you been told no already just for the sake of
your body?
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Definitely more recently, a lot more, for sure. I've definitely
been told noll a lot more for sure recently.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
So what advice would you have, Jeff, for someone like
Casey who's like, Yeah, I have this great idea and
it's like your body. You could do it now, but
you're gonna pay. You're gonna pay for it in about
ten fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah, I would just say, in the moment, man, if
you feel it, and I've always had that feeling, Oh
this is scary, but I feel good about this. I
feel like I can do it. As long as you
trust your intuition, I say, roll with it, man. If
you can pass it to the higher ups and they
allow it, man, just go all the way with it.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
So, Matt, when it comes to kind of evolving the character,
I would say that you have done a really good
job of kind of evolving through the last couple of decades.
Was there a particular gimmick that you would say just
doesn't get appreciated the way it should and why is
it mattitude. Yeah, actually the Mattitude facts on the side.
(07:12):
To this day, me and my siblings recite some of
them for no particular reason other than like Matt doesn't
like mayonnaise on a sandwich or whatever, like it happens
to be.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Matt strongly dislikes mustard and he m versus was so
great man, Yeah, that was like, well, I felt that
was a great opportunity for me because Jeff is the
epitome of what the Hardy Boys represent, right, He's this guy,
an adrenaline junkie, not afraid of anything, fearless. He'll do
all these high risk, crazy maneuvers, you know, a rock star.
(07:41):
And I feel like I can do that to a degree.
But like my strength is when I get to play
a character, it's kind of over the top, marginal life,
almost delusional, and Matt Hardy version one was that, you know,
mattitude was like this religion that I was pushing on people,
and because of Mattitude, I had it and I was
more special than everybody else. So that was great. And
I remember when I told him, even the when media
player screen that was there, I suggested doing stuff based
(08:02):
on the Internet because I said, I remember telling the
office in WB I said, you know, the internet's growing rapidly.
I think it's gonna play a big part in wrestling.
With self said and done, I think this would be cool.
It's kind of like ahead of his time, and I'm
Version one. It's kind of a play on the Internet
and everything. And they go, look, Matt, I know you
think this Internet is gonna be a big deal for wrestling,
but it's not. Kind of get over look a look
where we're at now. You know, you can't go thirty
(08:23):
seconds without seeing a social media post by some company.
You know, it's all over the place and obviously helped
sell things and it opened up so many new windows
for pro wrestling. So just doing that was so much fun.
And I think that run could have been a lot greater.
It started off great, Vince was there fully behind me.
There were a couple of things, injuries and things happened,
but it really is one of my favorite characters. My
two favorite characters are Broken Matt and Matt Hardy Version one.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
So when it came to the broken woken Matt character,
is there anything that you feel that the fans misunderstood
about the character, If anything, I think.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
It took them a little while to understand what I
was going for because I wanted to do rollback to
the days of Papa Shango, to the original Undertaker, when
he was magic, supernatural, whatever else. It said, let me
try that. Everybody's so athletic. Now you know, I'm older,
I'm a little bit dea. Let me try do character
work and see if I can make it happen. And
whenever we first started doing Broken Man and the Broken Mat,
(09:15):
we didn't want to take ourself too serious. We wanted
to be a little campy, a little over the top,
a little cartoonish, much to a throwback of how wrestling
was way back in the day and that period it had.
And I think at first there were people said, oh
my god, this is great. It's a throwback. It's the
greatest thing I've ever seen, because these guys were going
back to old school. It's kind of like a cartoonish character.
I love it so much. The other half, the internet fans,
(09:36):
the sikos, whatever, these guys were saying like, this is
the worst trash I've ever seen in my life. It's terrible,
it's awful. What are the hardy boys doing? They're going
to screw up their legacy everything else. But it was
so polarizing and he got so much intense feedback. People
were talking, and I knew we were onto something, and
we just stayed the courseman, and kept doing it. Initially,
it became the biggest thing in wrestling.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
So, Casey, you weren't really around during Papa Shango and
the original literation of the Undertaker. So when you're starting
out in the wrestling industry kind of college age, if
you will, and you see this happening on TV and
all over social media, that's how I discovered it originally
with social media.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
What's your thought process?
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Like, these guys are doing things that I don't remember
them doing when I was in middle school.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I honestly loved the whole thing. I'm so into character
work and all that stuff because, in my opinion, I
feel like that's what really makes it right now. Like,
the moves are great. I know that's kind of crazy
coming from a young guy saying like, oh, you know,
I sound like a young veteran. Oh you know, the
moves are cool. But I honestly think the character work
is what develops the connection to the audience. So when
Matt was doing all that with all the different characters
(10:34):
stuff I was fully invested in.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
So Wrestlmania thirty three, you're probably watching along with everybody else, right,
and then this massive surprise happens. Do you remember where
you were in your reactions?
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yeah, I was hanging out, man, I'm putting them over
to Socad, But I was hanging out with my boys,
Tyler and AJ. We were at my friend Tyler's house
and we were sitting there watching and The New Day
came out and we're like, oh, what's going on. I
remember just sitting back going, man, why do I got
like a really good feeling about this? And my friends
are like, man, the New Day are putting themselves in this.
I was like, nah, man, I don't know when that
(11:04):
music hit, man, we all just jumped and start losing
our minds, man, Like it was wild seeing them. Do
you guys, Do you.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Guys go back, Jeff and watch that entrance on YouTube
or Twitter if it happens to pop up on the timeline.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Oh, I'll see it all the time, and I'm so
proud of it. And that's probably my number one moment,
like all of our stuff that we've done, man, because
there was a time. My second run in TNA, I
was like, man, I'll probably never be back in the WB.
But for that to actually happen, and the build up
to that from Broken Matt creating this Expedition of Gold thing,
it just still blows my mind how it all ended
with finally, you know, becoming the w B Champions at Wrestlemaney,
(11:38):
it was insane, Matt.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Do you when it pops up? Are you like, hey, kids,
come over here, let me show you what Poppy could do?
What Poppy does I have forced them to watch? I think, No,
it's it's so cool, you know. Don't tell anybody, but
I was with Triple H about six months in a man,
so we booked it all out.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
But no, the the ironic twist of fate ended up taking.
How we ended up winning all the time titles was
so cool. We were the TNA Tag Champs, were the
Ring of Honor Tag Champs, then we win the w
B Tech titles. It's a great moment and we do
see it all the time, and it's so crazy. How
the further we get away from that moment, I think
the more important it becomes to me, because it really
was such a special moment, and much like Jeff says,
(12:16):
it is one hundred percent one of the top three
moments of our career, no doubt. And there are so
many people said, oh my god, I was there in
WrestleMania and I did this, and I'm so glad I
was gonna go to the bathroom. I was going to
go with the concessions, and I'm so glad it didn't.
It was a niconic moment and there were so many
videos all across the world that were people in Japan,
people in Germany, people in Australia that were losing their
monds at us coming out. It was just such an
amazing moment and I'm so grateful we were given that opportunity.
(12:39):
I'm so grateful turned out like it did.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I think one of the coolest things is that it
was a way for fans to give you your flowers.
And I think that we need to do a better
job as a society to give flowers while people are
still around, rather than waiting for the career to be
done or even worse right or decades later, and it's like, oh,
you know, here's the flowers for this person. And I
think that was just the beautiful opportunity, and that's been
(13:01):
almost wild that It's been almost fucking ten years now,
by the way, and you guys are still out here
grinding and hustling. Is there a match or a program
that comes to your minds where you guys didn't get
the flowers? You think it properly deserved.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Trying to think of something, well, something I thought was
really good that it wasn't on a huge network at
that time, it was very hard to get TNA. But
whenever I ended up doing a double turn with EC
three in our foss Count Anywhere match, and I became
the bad guy, he became the good guy and we
had a little program for a while. I think my
program with EC three is one of the best I've
(13:37):
ever done. And I think that False count Anywhere match
where we did the double turns is my most underrated
matchup mark career. Okay, so that was one thing I
think doesn't get the love of flowers, And I agree
with you man, we need to do that in every capacity.
Every human being that is alive and living while they
are alive, appreciate them for what they've done.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
What about your jeffin This is one thing that comes
about I don't know what royal rumble it was. It
might have been when we were like first or second,
where we first second, or we really early when we
came out.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
There first and second two thousand and one or yeah,
two thousand and one. With Drew Carry was part of
that one too. You just went out together.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
You and someone else was first and second and I
was third.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Okay, But anyway, the way we did the elimination, like
we both got eliminated is this is what I'm trying
to describe. But I had had my fishnet shirt on it.
I took it off somewhere during the match and had
it run my waist or something. But it was so
genius in my opinion, Like the shirt was connected to
Matt's belt or something. If you watch in slow mo
and you can you can see what's going on. But like,
(14:35):
and my shirt being connected to him like pulled me
off of the top ropes where we both were eliminated,
you know, And I just thought that was the coolest
thing ever, the coolest elimination.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
So that was when with Drew Carry.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I remember that Drew Carrey eliminated the Hardy Boys.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
And the record books.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
He was the only one in the ring when it happened, wow, so.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Like please don't touch me, guys.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
So casey, when it comes to kind of being in
not only with the Hardies, but a lot of other
kind of living legends that are back there, when do
you realize, like, okay, I belong here. When does when
does it stop? Of like the I don't want to
say kind of the fan girling or whatever if you will,
but kind of like, you know what, I belong here.
I'm here for a reason. If that even has stopped.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
I think it happened my first day or the or
the day that they told me I was wrestling them, okay,
because I think that was the biggest challenge they could
have gave me. Like I walked in. My first night
was sort of tag team titles against Chris Bay and
Ace Austin wrestled them again then right away to throw
me against you know, the Hardy's, and then my fourth
match was Joe and Nick Nemeth, which were their other
two top guys. So once I knew that I got
(15:39):
through the match with the Hardy's and I cried it out,
I was like, yeah, I definitely belonged here. I could
definitely hang with these guys. And I mean, I've been
in the company for eight months and I can say
I've wrestled all the main event guys, the Hardy's, Nick Neamuth,
Joe Hendry did the NXT thing.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
It's kind of wild. I've had a wild eight months,
so I definitely feel like I belong now going into
the NXT thing a little bit. When you find out, hey,
this is what the what the creative is and now
you are going to be on WWE Television on growing
up here in this market you know, Warner Brothers on
Channel eleven right now, it's picks. What was the first
off that came to mind?
Speaker 4 (16:14):
I made it. I did it, Yeah, I uh, because
it was very unexpected. You know, I wasn't even supposed
to wrestle. The day that I found out I was.
It was under siege. AJ Francis, my partner, was going
to wrestle Mike Santana, and then I heard that it
got switched and I was wrestling Mike Santana, but we
didn't understand why. And then when we got pulled to
the side and we were told, hey, we're going to
send you guys to NXT case he needs a big match.
(16:35):
We're gonna put them with Mike. I was like, oh wow,
And I was like, if I can get through this
match of Mike, this, this is it right there. But
I was like wow, man, I mean I just thought
back to everything I went through, you know, growing up,
getting bullied, being told I'd never see those bright lights,
never share locker room with guys like this, And it
was like, man, I thought I made it when I
shared a locker room with them, and I never thought
I'd even be a part of the crossover. And then
(16:55):
when we're told that they specifically picked us, it was
it was a blessed man.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
It was cool.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
How exciting is it for you guys? Because you guys
were on XT a few months ago, the New York
City show. I believe when you guys are backstage kind
of seeing all this up and coming talent, Well, what's
that exciting level for you guys? Because I mean, I'm
sure it's exciting for you.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
It was super cool for me. I was with there
to b like during the pandemic, and I spent a
lot of time at the Performance Center, but when we
went there, it was Matt's first time ever there, right,
and so that was just kind of bizarre in it
in itself, but just being back to where it all
kind of started and overall with our careers. Men, ww,
it just feels like home and it's where it's it
was meant to begin and where it's kind of meant
(17:31):
to end. So yeah, it's just it's a good feeling
to come out to, especially here in New York at NXT.
Man the team Praxium that are on a different level
when it comes to speed and all that stuff. To
be able to go out there and have a good
match with them and feel all that energetic love Man
from the people. Man was just so so overwhelmingly cool.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
It was great and it was so much fun. And
Tommy Dreamer, who's kind of like the headgun charge of
booking here t a now he has put us int
as to succeed and if you do that, there's still
a lot of equity in Man, Jeff Hardy, because we
can still go at a pretty high level. Obviously, we
can't do what we did twenty five years ago, you know,
things have changed a little bit. But we were in
there with Praxium and once again Sean Michaels. In the next day,
they followed that exact same formula, and we showed how
(18:14):
much of a home run and a Grand Slam we
can hit if given the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Who would you, guys say is the most underrated performer
that you see out there today, whether it's in another
company or someone that's maybe caught your eye on social media.
Anybody comes to mind for you too, That is that's.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
A good question, especially when you say underrated. I mean
I would have said that, and I'm glad they got
caught up to the main roster because Praxium really is
you know, and size doesn't matter quite as much in
this day and age, but when it comes to working
in the ring and the style they work, I mean
they're much like Case. You know, some sizes getting smaller,
which is cool. We were some of the guys that help,
you know, blaze the trail to like Mike size a
(18:52):
little smaller because you know, we know, nobody wrestled at
our size back in the day US edgend Christian. Everything
else in the styles has changed. So I would say
Practium is one team that I am glad they are
getting the flowers now and they're they're on the main
roster and hopefully they get bigger and better opportunities.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I love that, Jeff, anyone come to mind or I'm
I'm stifling a little bit. It's all good.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
It's all good.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
When it comes to kind of the legacy of the
Hardy Boys, What do you guys want people to remember
about the two of you.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I think I want them to remember that we were groundbreakers,
that we were trailblazers. You know, we came in. We
we opened up doors for guys that were smaller, We
opened up doors for guys who worked a different style.
We opened up doors for people who wanted to do
things out of the box and present wrestling and tell
stories in a different way. For instance, we you know,
used inanimate objects like tables, ladders, and chairs, and we
(19:43):
made that into something iconic, which is a staple of
pro wrestling now even later on. I think we both
kind of reinvented and and and set the stage for
the new cinematic style of matching when we did the
Final Deletion and everything else. We were never afraid to change,
you know, was always up for doing something and thinking
out of the box, thinking out of the ordinary. I
want all that to be part of our legacy. And
(20:04):
then I also want people to remember that we always
get back. It was important to us when we were
there the events in the nineties. It was the water
worlded West. They didn't really share their secrets. They didn't
really give you a ton of advice. You kind of
had to figure it out as you went, and you
had to learn through learn by trial and error, and
also learn through experience. But now we are very happy
to give back and say this is what you do,
or maybe do this, Casey, or maybe do this whatever. Whatever.
(20:26):
Guy's there, especially someone who has a great attitude and
you can see something happening for them.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Jeff, I would definitely like to be remembered and known
as like maybe the or one of, but maybe the
most authentic and original human beings to ever do it.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Man.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
So Casey, if you have to say one nice thing
about the heartys well comes to mind for you, you
have to say at least one nice thing. Now you
put them over enough for one more, a little cherry
on top.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Man, I feel like there's not enough work to put
them over with. I mean, I could probably be here
all day, but I think it's just like Matt said,
like they give back, like they really do. Like I said,
I'll never forget my first match with them, I was
really nervous, but they were not hesitant to let me
do my thing out there. So that's one thing that
I'm grateful for when it comes to the Hardies, for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
So you guys have been around for quite some time,
so obviously there's a lot of fan questions. So we'll
try to do rapid fire. Daniel Nuddy wants to know
what is your dream retirement match, Matt, do you have
one that comes to mind?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Myself and Jeff versus edgend Christian letteratch.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Jeff, do you have one that comes to mind?
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Hey, that sounds good, so.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
I think it can make some money too. Justin Hafner,
We'll start with you, Jeff, what match do you love
the most in your career.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
As far as the tag team room of pro wrestling,
the first ever tag team ladder match within in my
singles career, definitely the Underdog versus the Man match with
the Undertaker.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Matt, I would say that the tag team lader matching me.
We're sena and that's the match that put us on
the map. As far as the singles match goes, myself
versus Edge in the Cage or myself versus Jeff or
something in twenty five that was also another dream we
have to live out. T J.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Waters wants to know who inducts you into the Hall
of Fame.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Michael, Hey, michaela out.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Is it true that he came up with all these
ideas to hurt you guys, not not intentionally, but like
all this crazy shit that you guys did came from
like a lot of his ideas.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
I mean, he came up with a lot of crazy ideas.
A lot of them were ours too, but he would
have wild ideas. Like there was one time which he
hit his suggestion of this kind of spawned an idea.
He said, Hey, he said, could you do a thing
like where, you know, maybe Jeff's standing on the edge
of the ladder and it's like a sling shot in
the mat. You jump off the top rope and plan
(22:46):
and then he goes catapulting through there and he can
hit like a due a four fifty or flip and
take somebody out. I was like, well, I don't think
we can do that, you know, with I mean, this
guy weighs two hundred and twenty pounds. I said, like,
that's kind of like cartoon stuff. Michael, I said, but
maybe we can do something with that, and we ended
up doing the deal where I would be fighting over
the ladder and Jeff's sat on the ladder and it
would pop up and take me and the opponent out
or wherever.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Else, which was successful ninety nine percent of the time,
although there was that one time with Joey Mercury that well,
get your.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Hands up, brother, get your hands up. It can be dangerous.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Jonathan William wants to know if you guys never became wrestlers,
and this is for all three of you, actually, what
would you be doing right now?
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Jeff, I think I would own the landscaping company most likely.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Okay, Matt, I would be an engineer.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
Casey, I'd probably be in the US Army like my dad.
That's probably what I would have done.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
So TNA Slammiversary Ubs Arena late July tickets, Aron Sale. Now,
you guys are have an interesting night that night with
each other. It'll be a lot of fun. Before we
wrap things up real quick, what is your favorite memory
of New York.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
I got right to the first ever tag team Tables
match with the Dudley's Men, and that Swantan bomb out
there in the crowd and put Eva to the table
to win the match, and Matt carry and carry me
back to the ring. I mean that was That's probably
it for me.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
That's a great memory too, because we weren't on a
big match, a marquee match in Madison Square Garden. It
was her dream rustle. Also the very first time we
wrestled in Masison Square Garden. We just been on the
road for maybe three weeks, four weeks, like less than
a month. Wow. And I'll never forget driving the car.
It was myself, Jeff and Scottie too haughty and we
drove through the Lincoln Tunnel and when I came out
(24:27):
on the other side for the very first time driving
in New York City out of middle of nowhere, nothing country,
North Carolina, Like, there's a cab cutting me off and
it's like, if you don't slam on the brakes, you're
gonna hit you. And I was like, Jesus Christ, New
York City really is different from any other place because
it was a madhouse. I mean, that's what makes the
city so unique and special.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I think I go back to that moment every time
I go through the Lincoln Tunnel, man, because it was
so like you're entering a new world or something.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
There, and you loved it so much. You married a
woman from New York City. I did, but I.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Had to bring her to where I was, and that
it's too quiet, too quiet, for there's not enough horns
and there's not enough a sirens.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
But you know what, you get the bad bunny going
and everything will be fine.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
After that, it's got to blast the music.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
It worked out once we got to the pandemic. She
appreciated the quiet and the Salama.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
There you go one more time, Casey Navarro. The hardy
Boys appreciate you guys coming by. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Bamin
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