July 18, 2025 • 26 mins
TNA's Mike Santana stopped through out studios to discuss fatherhood, being the "top guy" for TNA and more. Thanks for checking out this episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Z one hundred, New York's number one hit music station.
I'm Josh Martinez, part of the Superstar Crossover podcast with
my guest, New York Rican from the Boogie Down, a
dude whose career I've been following for a long ass time.
Mike Santana was good man, Yo, chilling?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
How you doing chilling man?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
You know, it's it's I feel like this was a
long time coming. There's there's a lot of a lot.
I mean, my first head shot in Z one hundred
New York City, I wore a proud and powerful T shirts.
You did because because I was very much like these
are the dudes right here that I mean growing up?
What was that like? Like, you know, I could speak
from my own experiences. I'm gonna gives a shit about
me for you. Growing up being a wrestling fan being
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about EQUA wasn't a lot of representation on TV on
Superstars on Fox five Saturday mornings.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Not at all.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Actually, I mean the only one we really had was
Savio Vega.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
And he became a jobber real quick, real real quick.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, I mean, but but yeah, it was you know, again,
it wasn't a lot of representation, and it wasn't. We
didn't just in right, watching TV, we didn't see a
lot of people that looked like us that were doing
that played major roles, right. So I that was something
that I grew up very immersed in my Boudriqua culture.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
My grandparents were very instrumental and making sure that they
took me to the island, you know, when I was
like three four years old, and I would go every year,
and every year it was a history lesson, you know
what I mean. So they were very instrumental in that.
And uh, same thing at home, my mom classic SASA,
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classic freestyle, you know, like just fully immersed in the culture,
you know. And but yeah, and growing up a wrestling fan.
I've been into wrestling since I was four years old.
My grandparents introduced me.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
To it and.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
So they had a bunch of VHS tapes that were
for my uncle and my dad when they were younger.
So I grew up watching all the eighties stuff. And
then the very first wrestling event that I remember watching
was WrestleMania seven and I saw the Heart Foundation and
it was a rap. After that, I saw Brett and
come out with the shades and the pink and black
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and I was like.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
So with your gear through the years, you've shown love
to Brett. He's your favorite wrestler. What do you know
what it was about him that just captivated you, that
kept you a fan of his decades? Now?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Authenticity he Bret. If you look at my career, it's
sort of like, uh, if anything, it's it's a direct
like mirror of Brett. Right, Brett Hart was when you
saw him, and what he portrayed on on screen was
who he was, right. He talked about his family, he
talked about where he came from, he talked about his morals, uh,
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and and wanting to be the very best right. So,
like that was something that always stood out to me
growing up from the hood. Bro we we we didn't
see a lot of superheroes, right, So I was never
attracted to the whole Cogan or the Ultimate Warrior or
any of the crazy like you.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Know, Colors, over the top comedy.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah. Yeah, So for me, Brett was like, oh, this
is a real dude, like I you know, I could
see him on the block, you know what I mean,
And that was something that stood out to me. And
also he wasn't a huge dude, right, so I was like, man,
I could be just like that guy and again his
authenticity And that was something that really stood out to me.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
When it came when it comes to authenticity and you
start training and you're making the trip to Staten Island
and you're going to a warehouse down in the south
shore of Staten Island taking multiple buses probably and Magic
is showing you some things or whatever. So when it
comes to that part of your life, were you thinking
of of kind of a gimmick or were you just like,
let me just hone this down, get the end ring
stuff and then that character building will come later.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, it was mainly about getting down the wrestling aspect.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I So I grew up doing backyard wrestling, right everybody. Yeah,
so every millennial dude I'm get Yeah, I'm gonna give
a shout out. I used to wrestle with a group
from Harlem called two kW and we used to wrestle
behind Mahnd Center on sixteenth.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
So but yeah, like when I started training, it was
mainly about like getting it down.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I wasn't thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I honestly like going into it, I was like, I
want to represent myself.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And be who I am. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I showed a picture of my very first headshot and
I have a Puerto Rican flag and I have you know,
so that's something that's always been carried with me since
the beginning. But yeah, it was mainly about just honing
down the craft and training hard. And Magic such a
great dude, Like give him a shout out, a huge
shot out. Because I met Magic while I was still
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in high school. I was going to Port Richmond High
School at the time, and I met a dude there
and I saw he had wrestling gear in his bag,
and I was like, Yo.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
What's going on here?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So he told me.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
He ended up taking me to arthur Kill Road to
the warehouse and I met Magic and we boke and
I was still in school and he was like, Hey,
before anything, before I train you or take any of
your money, I want you to finish school. I want
you to get you a diploma. You bring me your diploma.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
It's a rap.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
And he was like one of the first dudes that
like showed that they cared about me and about my
education and about having something. And because he could have
easily been like, yeah, I'll take your money, I could,
you know.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Like most stories that we heard, but it wasn't like.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
That at all, and he was genuine and yeah, I
got my diploma. I didn't go to graduation, I didn't
go to prom nothing. I got my paper next day,
here you go, sir, and the rest is history.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
So being in that training process, right, did it ever
cross your mind like what were your goals? What were
your goals?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Really?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Honestly, at that time, I didn't out of high school.
I didn't really have a sense of direction. So I
looked at the wrestling thing as like, Okay, this is
something I can do. This is something I've always been
passionate about and I'm interested in. That's why I decided
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not to go to college. I told myself, if I
start this wrestling thing and go to college, college ain't happened, Like.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I'll be straight up.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I went to college College of State Island. Midway through
my third semester, I dropped out. Yeah what am I doing?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:26):
So I didn't want to waste the time all the money,
you know, So I was like, let me give this
wrestling thing a go and see where it takes me.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
So wrestling was always my escape in my life. It
was always something that I ran to during hard times,
during good times, during any time, and so I ran
so much from things that I made my escape my career.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
And that's what I say, you know. And by the.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Way, I'm only smiling because I'm the same way. Yeah,
there are so many listening to interviews with you through
the years, there are so many parallels between you and I,
And this interview is not about me, but I think
it's the bigger picture of like, there's a lot of
motherfuckers out here with the exact same story, but because
no one's talking about it, no one's talking about the
escape being Luckily for US entertainment sports entertainment, right, Like
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I ended up in radio on the music side, but
I really wanted to be on the sports side, but
I got an internship and I just ran with it
or whatever. You looked at wrestling as an escape. A
lot of people look to narcotics. Unfortunately, a lot of
people look at other forms of sports, and there are
so many people that have the parallel and where like
people don't vocalize it enough. I've been a huge proponent
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of like mental health and talking about it and the
whole aspect of like yo, man up dog, like that
shit is so passe. It didn't work for a Whelo,
it didn't work for Poppy, It ain't working for so
let's switch it up. You're very open about your struggles
and your demons in the past and going to rehab
and such. What made you want to be vocal about
it in.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Public because in rehab we're taught that the way that
the thing that helps us stay sober and the thing
that helps us stay on that path is by giving
away the gift that was so freely given to us.
And with that is if there's any way that I
could share my story and share what I went through
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and share the things that helped me, and that in
return helps someone else, that helping someone else is what's
helping me as well.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
And also.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
With you know, going back to my dad, My dad
is you know, he's such a what's such a huge
part of my life and still is even though he's gone.
He struggled so much with that that vocalizing thing, right,
and I saw him drown himself in addiction because he
didn't know how to vocalize. And like you said, it
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didn't work for the past generation. It didn't work. So
I saw that firsthand, and I wish. I mean, going
through the process that I went through and experiencing that.
I wish that my father would have got to experience
that because it would have helped. It would have helped
him so much, you know. And like even while I
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was in rehab, there would be days that I'm like, man,
my dad would have loved this, Like he would have
he needed this. But you know, different generations. And the
thing with my dad is that he never wanted to
be a burden on anyone, and so he just dealt
with things on his own. Unfortunately that was that was
part of his you know, passing. But yeah, like, I
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think it's very important for us to vocalize and speak
up about about these things, especially in this day and age.
You know, people so many people struggle in silence, and
it does nothing for you.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Like, I'm a firm believer in stress and depression, and
that will kill you real quick.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Dog, I've been depressed for months now, you know what
I'm saying. That's just me being real, And it's just
one of those things that you have those pockets of happiness,
regardless whether it's like kicking it with the boys and
y'all just watching the game or the Yankees winning and
you're at the stadium and it's cool.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
For me.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
A lot of my happiness is it was within my daughter.
And my daughter lives in Ohio, so that's tough for me.
I go out there every couple of weekends. I'm going
to Florida tomorrow Saturday, so I'm gonna miss TNA's pay
per view of it, which I'm really tight about front dog.
I don't even want to talk about it. But so
that's my happiness, you know, And and therapy. Recently, I
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was like, yo, like, I feel like I put too
much of that responsibility of happiness on her, and I'm
afraid that it becomes basically like this habit. So I'm
habitually living like through her, and that's not healthy either.
So you travel a lot for work, you still live
in the area, your daughter still lives in the area,
so you see her often. How do you kind of
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navigate not seeing her because you know you're just on
the road working a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I FaceTime is a great thing.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Goddamn right did it at eight twelve this morning?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
FaceTime is a great thing. And also her, like, she's
been a part of this thing all her life, right,
Like she's experienced this whole wrestling thing or her life.
I've been wrestling since two thousand and eight. She was
born in twenty fourteen, so, you know, so now being
at the age she's at, she's eleven years old, like now,
she really gets it.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
And you know, I do.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
My best to make her a part of it as
much as possible so that she understands it and she
loves it, you know, and she loves that I'm this,
you know, superhero and I'm this person that you know.
And but one thing like that I've learned within the
past couple of years is that balance of being Mike
Santana and being poppy and I'm thankful. And it took
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a long time, you know, because this business is very
it's a selfish business, and it demands so much from you.
And there's times that and I see it with a
lot of people that you get lost in it. You know,
you allow it to get to your head, you allow
yourself to be too entrenched in it, and that's not
healthy either. You know, sometimes you got to take a
step back and like realize that there's more to you
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than just that.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
And that's me.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yes, this is my life. Professional wrestling is my life
and I've dedicated everything to it. But also I know
how to be Mark Sanchez. I know how to beat
Poppy and that's the biggest blessing that I could ask for.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
You know, So when it comes to you know, you
mentioned kind of the the balancing act of it all.
Does she have a favorite wrestler aside from you or
is she just kind of just into wrestling because of you?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
And that's kind of ath Oh No, she loves she
loves Cody because she got to meet Cody a few
times and hang out with him and stuff. She loves
Riyal Ripley Live Morgan. Yeah, this is she got a
Darby Allen. She loves Darby. My God. She hates MJF
because the one of the first shows that she went
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to when I was there, uh he he did a
run in and hit me with a chair and that
was over. Like we came to the back and she
was like giving him all kinds.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Of hell and it was awesome.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
But but yeah, like she's really in it.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
So so how important And I'm gonna use the term
inner circle this has nothing to do with aw So
how important is your inner circle in your personal life?
To keep you kind of balanced, because dude, one day
you're on to us is what's called Warner Brothers w B.
Now it picks eleven. The next day you're on TNA's TV.
The next day there's social media videos of you. How
do you? How do you stay balanced?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Like?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
How important are those people in your inner circle to
keep you like even keel so it doesn't get to
your head.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Family is everything, and I have a very very tight
knit family, so.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
They don't.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
They still see me as me, right, and a big
part of that too. I still live in the BX right,
I'm still like, I'm fully immersed in.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
It.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
I'm in the city, you know, And I think that's
been a big part of me staying grounded and keeping
ten toes down. Also with my family, they don't treat
me like that person, you know, because I'm not like
when I'm away, I'm away, I'm me, you know, And
I love that, Like, you know, we will talk about
it here and there, but overall, like family get togethers
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or whatever, none of that exists, you know, which I love.
And same thing at in my home, I have no
wrestling anything. I have no wrestling pictures, I have no
wrestling posters. No, and it's always been that way my
entire career. I have no wrestling anything. So when I'm home,
I'm home. That's the clear separation.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Now, what made you want to take that approach? Because
my boss, who's like across in the hall, he does
the exact same thing. Yeah, and like as program directors,
as people and radio we get platinum, black and support songs.
So I have my stylodes just loaded up all that.
But it's but that juxtaposition of like, you know, I'm
I'm putting up trophies because I'm like proud of it,
but the juxtaposition of like and he said it before too,
(15:13):
kind of like yo, I just don't want to think
of that in my This is the most intimate space of.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
My safe Yes, yes, this is my safe place.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
And also at the end of the day, it's a.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Job, true, but we're lucky enough to get to yes.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Absolutely get to the last right and for me, I
live it every day. I have it up here, right,
I don't. I'm not the type of person that I
need to see it constantly.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Got it?
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I have it in here, I have it up here,
and and again that's my safe place. I like it
to just be comfortable and you know, like, I don't know,
it's weird, and it's always been that way, like it,
and again it allows me to have that clear separation
when I walk home into my home and I'm good,
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I'm poppy, you know, and that's that's it.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
What was your favorite match of all time as a fan?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
You put me on the spot?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Goddamn right, And let's preface this by saying it changes
over time, because like for me, I had my one right,
I have an Ultimate Warrior tattoo. So for me, it
was WRESTLEMANA six. That match changed my life. We would
go to the video store and get the WRESTMANA six
VHS because Poppy was getting high and what distracts me?
Damn that, So I just have it on loop.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
And then as you get older and you I meet
wrestlers and become cool with them, and I kind of
learned a little bit of the psychology of wrestling. It's like, oh, well,
this match is actually like the greatest match ever. So
you being in it, you as a fan, you you know,
eight seventeen years now, being in it, What what is
your match that you're like, that's the one that I bang.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
With, man, so growing up, so I started going to
Live Wrestling at the Garden during the road to WrestleMania twelve.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
So Brett and Sean were practice.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Did they have together?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:05):
So my very first event that I went to that
my dad took me to the main event was it
was Brett and Undertaker versus Diesel and Sean. But but
uh because they were both feuding with each other, right,
So that match which crazy. I don't know if you've
seen the ww vault like thing on on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
So there's a page.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Called ww Vault, I know the page they have that matchup.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
They just uploaded it and it caught Like it got
me so emotional, bro, because it brought me back and
uh so Diesel and Taker they brought to the back
and Bret and Sean go like what feels like forever
in a one on one right, So seeing that and
then seeing WrestleMania right like, so, uh that was a
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huge match for me. And then as I got older
and got into you know, the business and all that stuff, like, man,
there's there's a lot.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
But like.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Kurt and Sean, Yeah, bro, Like that's such an insane match, right,
Any match with and I'm gonna bring it up ben
Wan and Eddie. Yeah, you know those matches just the
intensity was unmatched.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Had oh yeah, like.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Match off the top of my head and Roy Rumbo
with the walls of.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Jer Yeah yeah bro. So like that's another thing. Jericho
had mad bangers with all those guys, you know, but
like that that era, like it, I feel like was
the work great era. You know, everybody was just trying
to have bangers and put out the very best. But
that WrestleMania twelve and yeah, that's the one that could
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really come to mind.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
So this Sunday Night TNA, the biggest show ever for
the company, your headlining triple threat TNA World Championship match.
Hendry's part of it. Trick Williams is the champ coming
into it, but he's from NXT. When you look at
the heavyweight champion, you look at it and go, that's
the guy when you think of in this case TNA
right now, it's Trick Williams. If you happen to win
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Sunday Boom, it's Mike Santana. What makes you ready to
be the guy?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Everything that I've been through in my life, everything I've
been through the past, couple of years to get to
this point has built such a drive and a fire
in me that I will not accept failure. I will
not accept anything less than great. And where I'm at
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in my life personally is like I told myself when
I decided to take this bed on myself and really
give everything, I'm not coming to be anything less than
be at the top. Like and that was just straight
up real honesty. And I feel like I have something
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that not a lot of people have, and that is
ah authenticity and a connection with the fans that I
feel like they see a bit of themselves and me. Right,
I'm someone who got it out the mud. I'm someone
that built myself from the bottom. And uh and by
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all means, no shade on Joe, No shade on on Trick.
You know those dudes have busted They asked too. You know,
they've put in the work, they've dedicated themselves. If not,
they wouldn't be in the positions that they're in.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Right. But I just.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Like, and this is just me saying it, Like, you
can't compare their fire and my fire. There's just something
there's something than like in here bro the that they
don't have.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
It's interesting because being thirty six years old loving wrestling
the way I have all my life, basically, there's very
few wrestlers that get me excited, and you're one of them.
And I think it comes back to rewinding to what
you just said a few seconds ago about the relation
and stuff like that, because, like I said before in
the beginning of the interview, like my dad's favorite wrestler
growing up was like Razor Ramone. Yeah, because it got
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to the point where it was like he ain't one
of us, but damnit, he's close enough. Yeah, that's the
wind bro Lows Boquas. We were like hyped Superostros on
Telemundo whatever it was for like two months. Like I
remember being excited about that stuff and then to see
you and see you as a loudmouthed Botiqua from the Bronx,
(21:46):
it's refreshing because it it feels like that's who you are,
right and that but that's the point of your character,
which is dope. So I just want to I try
to make it a point to give flowers and all
my interviews, and I just kind of wanted to give
you your flowers a little bit. But before we even started,
I asked you about a specific neighborhood, West Brighton on
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Staten Island, and you kind of stared at me, and
I was like, oh, he don't know what I'm talking about,
but you were like, yeah, I didn't know, but I know, right,
So you have ties to West Brighton on Staten Island.
What years were you there?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Ish, I moved to State Island. So I lived in
Port Richmond first, and that was two thousand and five six,
And I was one of the first residents in Markham
Gardens when they opened.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
So that would be September two thousand and nine, summer
two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
The only reason why I know that is because I
lived in the Markham homes and we moved in September first,
two thousand and nine. Wow, I lived on North Berger Avenue.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Uh, I don't.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Know where you lived. You don't have to say. It's
not a big deal. We could talk about it off hours.
But I heard, Like I said, I've heard of out
you for years even before like the lax stuff or whatever,
and it was all positive. It was all positive stuff.
And it's fascinating because it's like no one tries to
wrap stant Island ever. Yeah, I had my time doing
(23:15):
that too. But I just recently moved back, and I'm like,
you know what, someone's gotta put stan Island on the map.
I'll try to be that. You can't just have exactly
and it's and it's and let's let's keep it real.
It is more hood, yeah than the Jersey Shore cast
members that they popped up like you should have want
a wagon high school and stud of PORP.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
But we can talk about that off.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Well.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I went to my zone school, bro, So.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
We got a couple more minutes before we got to
wrap things up. I like to have fun. I'm gonna
do a quick this or that New York City edition
bus or train.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Train. Yankees are Mets Yankees.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
How crazy was it to be invited to Yankee Stadium?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Bro?
Speaker 3 (23:55):
That was insane to me, Like I as as soon
as I walk up those steps to go onto the field,
like I felt something like within me that I probably
never felt before. It was wild, Like that was the
initial like, oh, this is really sacred ground. This is
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really for real what they say.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah, and it's wild because you go up these little
you're in a tiny tunnel, you go up these steps
and then the green. I just remember my first time. Yeah,
the green of the grass. For some reason, it felt
like life was an HD.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
So yeah, everything, like you look up right and then
you it's just the sheer magnitude of like that place.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
It's insane.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Giants are jets, giants, Rangers are devils, Rangers, rangers of islands, rangers.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
It's okay, ubs Arena, it's fine. Knicks or nets, knicks,
bagels or rolls a.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Rolls bacon, egg and cheese on a roll. Bro I
can't do it on a bagel because it drips out
the center.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Uh, Derek Jeter or Mariano
Rivera Rivera Hector Level or Mark Anthony heck the level
all day. Daddy Yankee are a bad bunny.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Daddy Yankee.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
That's the millennial response because we asked people a couple
of years younger.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
They're like, I've been listening to to to uh, Daddy
Yankee since DJ Plaiero.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Days, because because.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
My dad lived in Puerto Rico for like a year
or two, and I remember when he came back, he
brought these mixtapes and he will play them and I'm like,
this is Spanish reggae. What the what is this And
he's like, my son, come here. And that was the
first time I heard of like Daddy Yankee of Mexicanos,
(25:54):
like all these dudes, and I was like, Yo, they badass.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
You're also a badass this You could be the guy TNA.
U be a s arena. You just added tickets, so
the biggest show in TNA history gonna be bigger this
Sunday night. You be a SREENA. Good luck bro.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I appreciate you having me on and I appreciate you
always supporting, showing mad love always and yeah, man, like,
let's keep doing what we do. Let's keep wrapping off people,
Let's keep putting on for our culture. There's not a
lot of us left and we're doing it the right way,
so you know, the positive way, where like our lives
coming from where we come from, could have went a
(26:33):
totally different direction, but we chose to do this and
give back, so I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
We get to do this
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I'm Josh Martinez, part of the Superstar Crossover podcast with
my guest, New York Rican from the Boogie Down, a
dude whose career I've been following for a long ass time.
Mike Santana was good man, Yo, chilling?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
How you doing chilling man?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
You know, it's it's I feel like this was a
long time coming. There's there's a lot of a lot.
I mean, my first head shot in Z one hundred
New York City, I wore a proud and powerful T shirts.
You did because because I was very much like these
are the dudes right here that I mean growing up?
What was that like? Like, you know, I could speak
from my own experiences. I'm gonna gives a shit about
me for you. Growing up being a wrestling fan being
(00:40):
about EQUA wasn't a lot of representation on TV on
Superstars on Fox five Saturday mornings.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Not at all.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Actually, I mean the only one we really had was
Savio Vega.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
And he became a jobber real quick, real real quick.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yeah, I mean, but but yeah, it was you know, again,
it wasn't a lot of representation, and it wasn't. We
didn't just in right, watching TV, we didn't see a
lot of people that looked like us that were doing
that played major roles, right. So I that was something
that I grew up very immersed in my Boudriqua culture.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
My grandparents were very instrumental and making sure that they
took me to the island, you know, when I was
like three four years old, and I would go every year,
and every year it was a history lesson, you know
what I mean. So they were very instrumental in that.
And uh, same thing at home, my mom classic SASA,
(01:34):
classic freestyle, you know, like just fully immersed in the culture,
you know. And but yeah, and growing up a wrestling fan.
I've been into wrestling since I was four years old.
My grandparents introduced me.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
To it and.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
So they had a bunch of VHS tapes that were
for my uncle and my dad when they were younger.
So I grew up watching all the eighties stuff. And
then the very first wrestling event that I remember watching
was WrestleMania seven and I saw the Heart Foundation and
it was a rap. After that, I saw Brett and
come out with the shades and the pink and black
(02:12):
and I was like.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
So with your gear through the years, you've shown love
to Brett. He's your favorite wrestler. What do you know
what it was about him that just captivated you, that
kept you a fan of his decades? Now?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Authenticity he Bret. If you look at my career, it's
sort of like, uh, if anything, it's it's a direct
like mirror of Brett. Right, Brett Hart was when you
saw him, and what he portrayed on on screen was
who he was, right. He talked about his family, he
talked about where he came from, he talked about his morals, uh,
(02:46):
and and wanting to be the very best right. So,
like that was something that always stood out to me
growing up from the hood. Bro we we we didn't
see a lot of superheroes, right, So I was never
attracted to the whole Cogan or the Ultimate Warrior or
any of the crazy like you.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Know, Colors, over the top comedy.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah. Yeah, So for me, Brett was like, oh, this
is a real dude, like I you know, I could
see him on the block, you know what I mean,
And that was something that stood out to me. And
also he wasn't a huge dude, right, so I was like, man,
I could be just like that guy and again his
authenticity And that was something that really stood out to me.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
When it came when it comes to authenticity and you
start training and you're making the trip to Staten Island
and you're going to a warehouse down in the south
shore of Staten Island taking multiple buses probably and Magic
is showing you some things or whatever. So when it
comes to that part of your life, were you thinking
of of kind of a gimmick or were you just like,
let me just hone this down, get the end ring
stuff and then that character building will come later.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, it was mainly about getting down the wrestling aspect.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I So I grew up doing backyard wrestling, right everybody. Yeah,
so every millennial dude I'm get Yeah, I'm gonna give
a shout out. I used to wrestle with a group
from Harlem called two kW and we used to wrestle
behind Mahnd Center on sixteenth.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
So but yeah, like when I started training, it was
mainly about like getting it down.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I wasn't thinking about it.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I honestly like going into it, I was like, I
want to represent myself.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
And be who I am. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I showed a picture of my very first headshot and
I have a Puerto Rican flag and I have you know,
so that's something that's always been carried with me since
the beginning. But yeah, it was mainly about just honing
down the craft and training hard. And Magic such a
great dude, Like give him a shout out, a huge
shot out. Because I met Magic while I was still
(04:44):
in high school. I was going to Port Richmond High
School at the time, and I met a dude there
and I saw he had wrestling gear in his bag,
and I was like, Yo.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
What's going on here?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
So he told me.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
He ended up taking me to arthur Kill Road to
the warehouse and I met Magic and we boke and
I was still in school and he was like, Hey,
before anything, before I train you or take any of
your money, I want you to finish school. I want
you to get you a diploma. You bring me your diploma.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
It's a rap.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
And he was like one of the first dudes that
like showed that they cared about me and about my
education and about having something. And because he could have
easily been like, yeah, I'll take your money, I could,
you know.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Like most stories that we heard, but it wasn't like.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
That at all, and he was genuine and yeah, I
got my diploma. I didn't go to graduation, I didn't
go to prom nothing. I got my paper next day,
here you go, sir, and the rest is history.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
So being in that training process, right, did it ever
cross your mind like what were your goals? What were
your goals?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Really?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Honestly, at that time, I didn't out of high school.
I didn't really have a sense of direction. So I
looked at the wrestling thing as like, Okay, this is
something I can do. This is something I've always been
passionate about and I'm interested in. That's why I decided
(06:12):
not to go to college. I told myself, if I
start this wrestling thing and go to college, college ain't happened, Like.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I'll be straight up.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I went to college College of State Island. Midway through
my third semester, I dropped out. Yeah what am I doing?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:26):
So I didn't want to waste the time all the money,
you know, So I was like, let me give this
wrestling thing a go and see where it takes me.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
So wrestling was always my escape in my life. It
was always something that I ran to during hard times,
during good times, during any time, and so I ran
so much from things that I made my escape my career.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
And that's what I say, you know. And by the.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Way, I'm only smiling because I'm the same way. Yeah,
there are so many listening to interviews with you through
the years, there are so many parallels between you and I,
And this interview is not about me, but I think
it's the bigger picture of like, there's a lot of
motherfuckers out here with the exact same story, but because
no one's talking about it, no one's talking about the
escape being Luckily for US entertainment sports entertainment, right, Like
(07:16):
I ended up in radio on the music side, but
I really wanted to be on the sports side, but
I got an internship and I just ran with it
or whatever. You looked at wrestling as an escape. A
lot of people look to narcotics. Unfortunately, a lot of
people look at other forms of sports, and there are
so many people that have the parallel and where like
people don't vocalize it enough. I've been a huge proponent
(07:36):
of like mental health and talking about it and the
whole aspect of like yo, man up dog, like that
shit is so passe. It didn't work for a Whelo,
it didn't work for Poppy, It ain't working for so
let's switch it up. You're very open about your struggles
and your demons in the past and going to rehab
and such. What made you want to be vocal about
it in.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Public because in rehab we're taught that the way that
the thing that helps us stay sober and the thing
that helps us stay on that path is by giving
away the gift that was so freely given to us.
And with that is if there's any way that I
could share my story and share what I went through
(08:19):
and share the things that helped me, and that in
return helps someone else, that helping someone else is what's
helping me as well.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
And also.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
With you know, going back to my dad, My dad
is you know, he's such a what's such a huge
part of my life and still is even though he's gone.
He struggled so much with that that vocalizing thing, right,
and I saw him drown himself in addiction because he
didn't know how to vocalize. And like you said, it
(08:53):
didn't work for the past generation. It didn't work. So
I saw that firsthand, and I wish. I mean, going
through the process that I went through and experiencing that.
I wish that my father would have got to experience
that because it would have helped. It would have helped
him so much, you know. And like even while I
(09:14):
was in rehab, there would be days that I'm like, man,
my dad would have loved this, Like he would have
he needed this. But you know, different generations. And the
thing with my dad is that he never wanted to
be a burden on anyone, and so he just dealt
with things on his own. Unfortunately that was that was
part of his you know, passing. But yeah, like, I
(09:39):
think it's very important for us to vocalize and speak
up about about these things, especially in this day and age.
You know, people so many people struggle in silence, and
it does nothing for you.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Like, I'm a firm believer in stress and depression, and
that will kill you real quick.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Dog, I've been depressed for months now, you know what
I'm saying. That's just me being real, And it's just
one of those things that you have those pockets of happiness,
regardless whether it's like kicking it with the boys and
y'all just watching the game or the Yankees winning and
you're at the stadium and it's cool.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
For me.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
A lot of my happiness is it was within my daughter.
And my daughter lives in Ohio, so that's tough for me.
I go out there every couple of weekends. I'm going
to Florida tomorrow Saturday, so I'm gonna miss TNA's pay
per view of it, which I'm really tight about front dog.
I don't even want to talk about it. But so
that's my happiness, you know, And and therapy. Recently, I
(10:41):
was like, yo, like, I feel like I put too
much of that responsibility of happiness on her, and I'm
afraid that it becomes basically like this habit. So I'm
habitually living like through her, and that's not healthy either.
So you travel a lot for work, you still live
in the area, your daughter still lives in the area,
so you see her often. How do you kind of
(11:01):
navigate not seeing her because you know you're just on
the road working a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I FaceTime is a great thing.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Goddamn right did it at eight twelve this morning?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (11:10):
FaceTime is a great thing. And also her, like, she's
been a part of this thing all her life, right,
Like she's experienced this whole wrestling thing or her life.
I've been wrestling since two thousand and eight. She was
born in twenty fourteen, so, you know, so now being
at the age she's at, she's eleven years old, like now,
she really gets it.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
And you know, I do.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
My best to make her a part of it as
much as possible so that she understands it and she
loves it, you know, and she loves that I'm this,
you know, superhero and I'm this person that you know.
And but one thing like that I've learned within the
past couple of years is that balance of being Mike
Santana and being poppy and I'm thankful. And it took
(11:55):
a long time, you know, because this business is very
it's a selfish business, and it demands so much from you.
And there's times that and I see it with a
lot of people that you get lost in it. You know,
you allow it to get to your head, you allow
yourself to be too entrenched in it, and that's not
healthy either. You know, sometimes you got to take a
step back and like realize that there's more to you
(12:19):
than just that.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
And that's me.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yes, this is my life. Professional wrestling is my life
and I've dedicated everything to it. But also I know
how to be Mark Sanchez. I know how to beat
Poppy and that's the biggest blessing that I could ask for.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
You know, So when it comes to you know, you
mentioned kind of the the balancing act of it all.
Does she have a favorite wrestler aside from you or
is she just kind of just into wrestling because of you?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
And that's kind of ath Oh No, she loves she
loves Cody because she got to meet Cody a few
times and hang out with him and stuff. She loves
Riyal Ripley Live Morgan. Yeah, this is she got a
Darby Allen. She loves Darby. My God. She hates MJF
because the one of the first shows that she went
(13:08):
to when I was there, uh he he did a
run in and hit me with a chair and that
was over. Like we came to the back and she
was like giving him all kinds.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Of hell and it was awesome.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
But but yeah, like she's really in it.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
So so how important And I'm gonna use the term
inner circle this has nothing to do with aw So
how important is your inner circle in your personal life?
To keep you kind of balanced, because dude, one day
you're on to us is what's called Warner Brothers w B.
Now it picks eleven. The next day you're on TNA's TV.
The next day there's social media videos of you. How
do you? How do you stay balanced?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Like?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
How important are those people in your inner circle to
keep you like even keel so it doesn't get to
your head.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Family is everything, and I have a very very tight
knit family, so.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
They don't.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
They still see me as me, right, and a big
part of that too. I still live in the BX right,
I'm still like, I'm fully immersed in.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
It.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
I'm in the city, you know, And I think that's
been a big part of me staying grounded and keeping
ten toes down. Also with my family, they don't treat
me like that person, you know, because I'm not like
when I'm away, I'm away, I'm me, you know, And
I love that, Like, you know, we will talk about
it here and there, but overall, like family get togethers
(14:29):
or whatever, none of that exists, you know, which I love.
And same thing at in my home, I have no
wrestling anything. I have no wrestling pictures, I have no
wrestling posters. No, and it's always been that way my
entire career. I have no wrestling anything. So when I'm home,
I'm home. That's the clear separation.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Now, what made you want to take that approach? Because
my boss, who's like across in the hall, he does
the exact same thing. Yeah, and like as program directors,
as people and radio we get platinum, black and support songs.
So I have my stylodes just loaded up all that.
But it's but that juxtaposition of like, you know, I'm
I'm putting up trophies because I'm like proud of it,
but the juxtaposition of like and he said it before too,
(15:13):
kind of like yo, I just don't want to think
of that in my This is the most intimate space of.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
My safe Yes, yes, this is my safe place.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
And also at the end of the day, it's a.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Job, true, but we're lucky enough to get to yes.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Absolutely get to the last right and for me, I
live it every day. I have it up here, right,
I don't. I'm not the type of person that I
need to see it constantly.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Got it?
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I have it in here, I have it up here,
and and again that's my safe place. I like it
to just be comfortable and you know, like, I don't know,
it's weird, and it's always been that way, like it,
and again it allows me to have that clear separation
when I walk home into my home and I'm good,
(16:02):
I'm poppy, you know, and that's that's it.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
What was your favorite match of all time as a fan?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
You put me on the spot?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Goddamn right, And let's preface this by saying it changes
over time, because like for me, I had my one right,
I have an Ultimate Warrior tattoo. So for me, it
was WRESTLEMANA six. That match changed my life. We would
go to the video store and get the WRESTMANA six
VHS because Poppy was getting high and what distracts me?
Damn that, So I just have it on loop.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
And then as you get older and you I meet
wrestlers and become cool with them, and I kind of
learned a little bit of the psychology of wrestling. It's like, oh, well,
this match is actually like the greatest match ever. So
you being in it, you as a fan, you you know,
eight seventeen years now, being in it, What what is
your match that you're like, that's the one that I bang.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
With, man, so growing up, so I started going to
Live Wrestling at the Garden during the road to WrestleMania twelve.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
So Brett and Sean were practice.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Did they have together?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:05):
So my very first event that I went to that
my dad took me to the main event was it
was Brett and Undertaker versus Diesel and Sean. But but
uh because they were both feuding with each other, right,
So that match which crazy. I don't know if you've
seen the ww vault like thing on on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
So there's a page.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Called ww Vault, I know the page they have that matchup.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
They just uploaded it and it caught Like it got
me so emotional, bro, because it brought me back and
uh so Diesel and Taker they brought to the back
and Bret and Sean go like what feels like forever
in a one on one right, So seeing that and
then seeing WrestleMania right like, so, uh that was a
(17:53):
huge match for me. And then as I got older
and got into you know, the business and all that stuff, like, man,
there's there's a lot.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
But like.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Kurt and Sean, Yeah, bro, Like that's such an insane match, right,
Any match with and I'm gonna bring it up ben
Wan and Eddie. Yeah, you know those matches just the
intensity was unmatched.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Had oh yeah, like.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Match off the top of my head and Roy Rumbo
with the walls of.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Jer Yeah yeah bro. So like that's another thing. Jericho
had mad bangers with all those guys, you know, but
like that that era, like it, I feel like was
the work great era. You know, everybody was just trying
to have bangers and put out the very best. But
that WrestleMania twelve and yeah, that's the one that could
(18:50):
really come to mind.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
So this Sunday Night TNA, the biggest show ever for
the company, your headlining triple threat TNA World Championship match.
Hendry's part of it. Trick Williams is the champ coming
into it, but he's from NXT. When you look at
the heavyweight champion, you look at it and go, that's
the guy when you think of in this case TNA
right now, it's Trick Williams. If you happen to win
(19:12):
Sunday Boom, it's Mike Santana. What makes you ready to
be the guy?
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Everything that I've been through in my life, everything I've
been through the past, couple of years to get to
this point has built such a drive and a fire
in me that I will not accept failure. I will
not accept anything less than great. And where I'm at
(19:43):
in my life personally is like I told myself when
I decided to take this bed on myself and really
give everything, I'm not coming to be anything less than
be at the top. Like and that was just straight
up real honesty. And I feel like I have something
(20:09):
that not a lot of people have, and that is
ah authenticity and a connection with the fans that I
feel like they see a bit of themselves and me. Right,
I'm someone who got it out the mud. I'm someone
that built myself from the bottom. And uh and by
(20:34):
all means, no shade on Joe, No shade on on Trick.
You know those dudes have busted They asked too. You know,
they've put in the work, they've dedicated themselves. If not,
they wouldn't be in the positions that they're in.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Right. But I just.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Like, and this is just me saying it, Like, you
can't compare their fire and my fire. There's just something
there's something than like in here bro the that they
don't have.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
It's interesting because being thirty six years old loving wrestling
the way I have all my life, basically, there's very
few wrestlers that get me excited, and you're one of them.
And I think it comes back to rewinding to what
you just said a few seconds ago about the relation
and stuff like that, because, like I said before in
the beginning of the interview, like my dad's favorite wrestler
growing up was like Razor Ramone. Yeah, because it got
(21:25):
to the point where it was like he ain't one
of us, but damnit, he's close enough. Yeah, that's the
wind bro Lows Boquas. We were like hyped Superostros on
Telemundo whatever it was for like two months. Like I
remember being excited about that stuff and then to see
you and see you as a loudmouthed Botiqua from the Bronx,
(21:46):
it's refreshing because it it feels like that's who you are,
right and that but that's the point of your character,
which is dope. So I just want to I try
to make it a point to give flowers and all
my interviews, and I just kind of wanted to give
you your flowers a little bit. But before we even started,
I asked you about a specific neighborhood, West Brighton on
(22:06):
Staten Island, and you kind of stared at me, and
I was like, oh, he don't know what I'm talking about,
but you were like, yeah, I didn't know, but I know, right,
So you have ties to West Brighton on Staten Island.
What years were you there?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Ish, I moved to State Island. So I lived in
Port Richmond first, and that was two thousand and five six,
And I was one of the first residents in Markham
Gardens when they opened.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
So that would be September two thousand and nine, summer
two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
The only reason why I know that is because I
lived in the Markham homes and we moved in September first,
two thousand and nine. Wow, I lived on North Berger Avenue.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Uh, I don't.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Know where you lived. You don't have to say. It's
not a big deal. We could talk about it off hours.
But I heard, Like I said, I've heard of out
you for years even before like the lax stuff or whatever,
and it was all positive. It was all positive stuff.
And it's fascinating because it's like no one tries to
wrap stant Island ever. Yeah, I had my time doing
(23:15):
that too. But I just recently moved back, and I'm like,
you know what, someone's gotta put stan Island on the map.
I'll try to be that. You can't just have exactly
and it's and it's and let's let's keep it real.
It is more hood, yeah than the Jersey Shore cast
members that they popped up like you should have want
a wagon high school and stud of PORP.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
But we can talk about that off.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Well.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I went to my zone school, bro, So.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
We got a couple more minutes before we got to
wrap things up. I like to have fun. I'm gonna
do a quick this or that New York City edition
bus or train.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Train. Yankees are Mets Yankees.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
How crazy was it to be invited to Yankee Stadium?
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Bro?
Speaker 3 (23:55):
That was insane to me, Like I as as soon
as I walk up those steps to go onto the field,
like I felt something like within me that I probably
never felt before. It was wild, Like that was the
initial like, oh, this is really sacred ground. This is
(24:15):
really for real what they say.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah, and it's wild because you go up these little
you're in a tiny tunnel, you go up these steps
and then the green. I just remember my first time. Yeah,
the green of the grass. For some reason, it felt
like life was an HD.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
So yeah, everything, like you look up right and then
you it's just the sheer magnitude of like that place.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
It's insane.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Giants are jets, giants, Rangers are devils, Rangers, rangers of islands, rangers.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
It's okay, ubs Arena, it's fine. Knicks or nets, knicks,
bagels or rolls a.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Rolls bacon, egg and cheese on a roll. Bro I
can't do it on a bagel because it drips out
the center.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Uh, Derek Jeter or Mariano
Rivera Rivera Hector Level or Mark Anthony heck the level
all day. Daddy Yankee are a bad bunny.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Daddy Yankee.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
That's the millennial response because we asked people a couple
of years younger.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
They're like, I've been listening to to to uh, Daddy
Yankee since DJ Plaiero.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Days, because because.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
My dad lived in Puerto Rico for like a year
or two, and I remember when he came back, he
brought these mixtapes and he will play them and I'm like,
this is Spanish reggae. What the what is this And
he's like, my son, come here. And that was the
first time I heard of like Daddy Yankee of Mexicanos,
(25:54):
like all these dudes, and I was like, Yo, they badass.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
You're also a badass this You could be the guy TNA.
U be a s arena. You just added tickets, so
the biggest show in TNA history gonna be bigger this
Sunday night. You be a SREENA. Good luck bro.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
I appreciate you having me on and I appreciate you
always supporting, showing mad love always and yeah, man, like,
let's keep doing what we do. Let's keep wrapping off people,
Let's keep putting on for our culture. There's not a
lot of us left and we're doing it the right way,
so you know, the positive way, where like our lives
coming from where we come from, could have went a
(26:33):
totally different direction, but we chose to do this and
give back, so I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
We get to do this
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