Tyler Cole from OK Bird Control joins us to share his fascinating journey from the machining industry to becoming an expert in avian management. Discover how Tyler tackled the formidable task of managing flocks of starlings at industrial sites and turned a part-time passion into a thriving full-time business. We explore the delicate dance of keeping birds at bay in both residential and commercial settings, shedding light on the surprising scale of bird-related challenges.
Curious about modern versus historical bird control techniques? Tune in as we explore classic tools like scarecrows and shotguns. Tyler shares insights on managing birds in diverse environments, from bustling urban landscapes to tranquil farmlands, while navigating complex legal frameworks like the Migratory Bird Treaty Act. Dive into stories of feathered intruders at airports and in backyard havens, highlighting the ongoing conversation about coexisting with these captivating creatures. Whether you're dealing with a house finch nesting at your front door or managing avian impacts on agriculture, this episode promises a wealth of knowledge and engaging anecdotes.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Scott Townsend Show brought to you by
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Dietzelman Productions.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey, this is Scott Townsend.
Thanks for joining the ScottTownsend Show.
And today I have with mespecial guest Tyler Cole from OK
Bird Control and husband,father of three kids.
Wish him luck.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Tyler, how's it going ?
Going great, how you doing,scott.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'm doing pretty good .
Yeah, awesome, it's a great.
It's kind of cloudy, goinggreat.
How you doing, scott?
I'm doing pretty good.
Yeah, awesome, it's a great.
It's kind of cloudy out, butthat's okay.
What'd you have for breakfastthis morning?
What'd you have?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
for breakfast this morning.
Well, funny, you should ask theI forget what it's actually
called.
I'm going to say the perfectbar.
It's from Starbucks and theyput it in the cold section and
it is.
It is a, I don't know.
I guess it's really healthy foryou, but I look at it as kind
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of like dessert.
So after I eat a good meal Ilike to gnaw on one of those,
and sometimes first thing in themorning, what a way to start
the day.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Sounds good.
Yeah, so, tyler, you're uh with, okay, bird control and uh, you
and I were talking on linkedinnot too long ago and I thought
the subject was interesting, andfor a couple reasons.
Number one, number one I likebirds and my wife likes birds
and you know everyone, so noteveryone's.
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Well, every, every night,pretty much, we'll go in the
backyard sit down, watch the redbirds you know, all that stuff
hates darlings.
but you know so, hummingbirds,we always write down on the
calendar what you know when theyshow up.
This year they showed up reallylate, that was like a week
later.
So I think the Texas freeze hadmaybe something to do with that,
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but cold snap yeah, but uh, andso then you were uh talking
about, uh, okay, bird controland and birds as pests.
And you know, I was thinkingabout that too and I never
really think of birds as pestsuntil I go and visit like a
monument or a historicalbuilding or something like that.
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And then you, you know, likeoklahoma state, you know they
have all those, all thatarchitecture and perfect places
for birds to make nests and youknow if you, if you think about
for about a second, what's thebig deal.
But if you, if you think about,you know if left unchecked for
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you know if you never doanything about it, oh my gosh,
yeah, what a problem that is.
And, uh, my brother and I usedto work in uh, we spent one
summer working down in southTexas and we had to go to this
warehouse to pick up some storedequipment that was old and I
mean there was bird stuffeverywhere.
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Windows were broken out,pigeons inside, the whole
everything was covered in pigeondroppings, and so it's pretty
gross.
I've done a lot of talking here, so how did you get into, okay,
bird control?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
for sure.
Uh, before I started working inthe the industry, um, I was
tied to the machining weldingworld and did that for about 10
years and one of the employersthat I worked for didn't kind of
what's the word?
Diversify, so they kind of hadone customer and when the price
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of oil went, whoops, I kind of Ididn't have to look for a new
job, but I my hours got cutpretty big and just believe in
god for the right opportunity.
And one of one of my friends atchurch, uh, actually owns a, uh
a manufacturer of a productthat uh repels birds, so he
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needed somebody to help him inthe warehouse in the back, uh
getting orders out and that sortof thing, and that that turned
into that other part of that,that 20 hours that made up for
that, for that job, because Iwas only working 20 hours and,
uh, that was about seven yearsago and throughout that time it
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turned into a full-time job andI just worked at that company,
learning all about birds, workedin sales, worked in agriculture
.
A lot of birds like to consumecrops in mass numbers Makes
farmers really mad and trying tosave some of their ammo for
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them.
So that's when they'd wouldcall me.
I have a solution for them.
Um worked at that company forabout six years and um started
my company about two years agodoing it part-time.
So I'd get a client here andthere um go help them get rid of
their birds, and then itstarted to be more and more
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clients, and then more and moreclients and then this last
January went full time and on myown with okay Bird control been
doing it full time for aboutfive months now.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah Cool.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I noticed on your website it's 24, seven service.
Have you ever had anybody callyou at 3.00m saying hey, I got a
bird problem.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Well, yes, I have.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
It goes straight to voicemail about that time though
.
Yeah, just answer it in themorning when I get there.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Why is bird pest controlimportant?
Yeah, why is bird pest controlimportant.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah well, when you're dealing with your
residential job, you got birdsmaking noise in the morning.
When you're trying to wake upyou got nesting materials
clogging up like air ventilation, bird droppings everywhere.
It's kind of a nuisance.
So for residentialsials it's alittle bit different.
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When you're talking aboutcommercial like I've got some
clients that are big oilrefineries or chemical plants
and with the residential jobsyou're dealing with, uh, maybe
four birds at the most.
One one of my jobs I have umabout a quarter of a million
starlings.
Of my jobs, I have um about aquarter of a million starlings
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on one site and it's uh, it'squite epic to see that in action
, especially uh when they cometo feed at night or when they're
feeding all day and then theycome to roost on site, um about
dusk it, the murmurations, whatthey call it, the murmurations
are definitely when the birdsall flock together and they kind
of move in the zigzaggy.
There's really no actual pattern.
It's just, it's just amazing tosee that though.
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Right, yeah, but when you'retalking about commercial, a job
size that big, the amount ofdroppings that that produces,
right, um, like this specificjob site, before I started the
job they were doing this,monthly they were.
They had about 54.
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He told me about 54, 50 gallondrums that they would scoop up
and fill those up with birddroppings so when you got a bird
problem like that, youdefinitely know you got a bird
problem from a safety uhstandpoint too.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I mean, that makes the wherever you're walking uh
slick slippery.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
You know exactly man, especially those, uh, those
large goose.
Uh dro too.
Those are pretty slick and I'vehad some clients call me
because like a bank, forinstance.
Oh yeah, just one of the olderladies was walking in and slip
and fell on some goose droppings.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
So what kind of bird are you?
Does it seem like you're aftermore than any other?
What's the most popular?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Probably the number one pest bird would probably be
the pigeon, and then starlingand house sparrow are kind of
neck and neck, they kind of.
They kind of produce mixedflocks.
So when you have starling,sometimes you have sparrows.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
So it's mostly not just one specific bird, um, but
pigeon would be definitely thenumber one yeah, I hadn't
thought about that too when yousaid a while ago that they had
to scoop up and uh what?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
55 gallon drums, barrels, whatever yeah, 53
actual barrels per month, fullof droppings.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
So you got to pay somebody to do that, which I
hadn't thought of either, andfor sure.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Then you got to handle it yes um I I on a job
like that.
I really don't offer my cleanupservices.
It's not really like a job likethat.
They have maintenance workersto clean stuff like that.
Up for me, right um your job isjust to get the birds out of
there, exactly, I get them outof there, repel them out of
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there.
Uh, keep them from just makingit nice for them to be there
what uh.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
So talk about the different ways to repel that
you've got.
You know several different uhways to go about um, scaring off
birds, um, like three inparticular that I can think of.
Can you kind of go into thedifferent uh ways that you go
about uh?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
yeah, there's.
There's exclusion, um which,just if you have a specific area
on your property that you don'twant birds, um then you would
do like a spike or a netting.
Like big box retailers or justsome other places like that.
It's kind of not an eyesore,but people don't like to see big
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spikes coming out of theirbuilding, so that's kind of try
and do that in the background.
If there's like a loading dockor something like that, that's
where, like not a a, not thefront of the building, um right,
that's where you would seesomething like that.
Um, you got the scare deviceswhich are your scare owls uh for
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cut for, uh geese, it'd besomething like a coyote,
something that there's apredator.
What's funny is like the.
You see, a lot of companiestake it on themselves to take
care of the the bird probleminternally, and I I definitely
applaud that.
But they'll put a scare owl upand just leave it there and
it'll work for a couple days.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
But with with scare devices, you kind of constantly
got to move them I wonderedabout that yeah, they're just
going to get used to it yeah,I'll drive by one piece of uh
property here in town andthere's a pond in the backyard
and I saw some coyote, one ortwo coyote statues and I and so
I always thought they just mustlike coyotes.
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You know that's good.
So when you mentioned uhcoyotes for geese yeah, I guess
that's what they're doing reallyis uh it just that just dawned
on me.
They're probably trying toscare away the canadian geese or
whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah yeah, I mean it's, it's science versus mother
nature and you know it's alsotrial and error.
There's no real silver bulletthat takes care of every bird
problem.
Um, sometimes you have toincorporate one use the other.
What I, what I usually leadwith, is a product called
avitrol easy blend and it's, uh,it's basically a grain bait
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with baiting trays and they'rejust wooden trays.
But it's mostly rooftop workand I'll put the trays up on the
roof and I'm feeding thembasically wheat, milo and a
crack corn.
Um, and it's great for mixedflocks, cause even the, the
small birds can eat the grains.
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It's not big whole kernels ofcorn.
Um, so they I come out once aonce a week for about a month,
uh, put the trays out, make surethe birds are feeding off of it
, and then that's when I come inthe next month with the Avatrol
Easy Blend and it's designed toscare the flocks away.
Basically, the birds eat it.
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It affects them like there's apredator in the area.
So the birds that consume theAvatrol Easy Blend they kind of
vocalization a little weird, uh,flapping the wings, and the
other birds around see that birdreacting like there's a
predator.
So they get scared and thenthey fly away.
So it's one month of thepre-baiting and then one month
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of the live baiting and thenonce a month coming back just to
monitor, um, and see if there'sany new bird activity.
Because those, those birds thatare treated like that they'll
never come back to the site.
They associate the actualbuilding, the rooftop, with
danger, not actually the food.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
So that's that's usually what I lead with and
that's usually the mosteffective way so the, the
avitrol, or avitrol, does it, uh, does it kill the bird that
eats?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
it, it can, it is.
It is a pesticide and usuallywe come in with a 1 to 40 ratio.
It's a really high dilutedratio.
So, um, the birds that do uhperish are usually the, the
dominant flock members in thatflock, that get in there at the
very beginning, when the food'sthere, and just kind of eat it
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all up.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
But once you get some reactions then those birds will
fly away of secondary poisoningor something like if a coyote,
take, for example, or something,eats the dead bird that ate the
avatrol?
Does it hurt the?
Does it pass along to thesecond generation or whatever it
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?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
actually doesn't.
Um, it's just quicklymetabolized throughout the bird
as soon.
I mean, it takes a lot of uh,it burns a lot of of calories
trying to keep those bird wingsflapping, so it pretty much goes
in and then goes out.
So there is no secondarypoisoning at all.
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Yeah, and it is weight based.
So I'm putting up out enoughbait for basically a few little
birds, out enough bait forbasically a few little birds.
So if it affects, let's say, acat or something, they're gonna
have to eat a lot more than whatI'm putting out.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Uh, you mentioned crop control a while ago.
Farmers, uh, wanting the birdsout of there.
Um, I didn't know that was aproblem, um, but uh, can you
talk about that for a little bit?
What, uh, what are farmers?
What's the problem farmers havewith all these birds?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, there's, there's.
I mean you got your farmer andthen you got your, your, your
cow, calf operator, your feedlot, your feed yard.
So with that it's basicallybirds pooping on the, on their
actual food and getting thewater contaminated, and then
those horses, those cows, umwhatever, eating that
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contaminated food.
Vet bills go go high to uh kindof counteract whatever's going
on internally with those animals, um, with crops, um, you've
seen maybe not in real life butmaybe on TV just those
murmurations and how many.
You know it can be anywherefrom a thousand starlings to.
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You know, I have a job that hasa quarter million starlings,
but those flocks can go up toabout a million, and then they
land on a crop and just consumeall that, that wheat, that
soybean, and it can be prettydevastating.
I wish I had the numbers infront of me about the crop loss
per year, but I know, uh,there's a b attached to it like
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a billion, right.
So I just I know that farmersand uh people like that can
definitely be affected by byprofit loss, by grain
consumption, by contamination,all sorts of stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
So what did farmers used to do in the past, before
there were these electronic anddifferent ways of scaring birds
away?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I mean, like you, shot guns or I would say
shotguns, I would say thescarecrows probably uh,
scarecrows yeah probably derivedfrom that.
Um, I would say bird likedefinitely shotguns.
Um, loud noises pans bangingpans.
Um, uh, it's been a lot of, uh,you know, probably poisoning
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somehow.
Um, I would say mostly probablyshotguns yeah yeah the uh.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
So you talked about the three ways of uh repelling
birds.
You've got the exclude.
What was exclusion?
And you've got the uhrepellents, yeah, and, and then
the scare devices, yeah.
So you know, people probablydon't realize what's going on at
the airport.
Now, the airport is a placewhere I can definitely see yeah,
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you really need to keep yourbird population under control
because, you don't want birdstrikes, and I just saw a video
yesterday of a plane having likeeight or nine bird strikes and
they had to turn around and goback, um, and so it's that
screeching sound that you hearin the parking garage.
You know, you can, and I've hadpeople ask, you know, mentioned
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.
So what is that?
Why?
Why do they have all thesebirds under here?
Yeah, I'm thinking, well,that's a, that's a, that's a
recording to keep the all thebirds away.
You know, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
And that's your like international airport, like
tulsa international, there'sprobably I mean, if I had to
guess, probably 15 differenthangers, commercial hangers,
like different businesses, andthey individually have to take
care of their bird problems.
And then you have the actualinternational airport different
areas, runways, different thing,and then terminals, even the
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entrance to walk in, like thesouthwest area, there's there's
birds, there's starlings.
You get there early in themorning on a Monday for a 5.00
AM or 6.00 AM flight.
You'll definitely hear them,definitely see them, and it's an
issue with those bird droppings.
I mean there's about 60 plusdifferent types of diseases
associated with with birddroppings.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I was going to, I was going to ask you about that.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
So there really is, there really is some kind of
contamination or a sickness orwhat's going on there?
Yeah, definitely, yes,salmonella.
Like, probably in the early 90sthere was a peanut facility
that made peanuts, made peanutbutter, all sorts of products
like that, made peanut butter,all sorts of products like that,
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and they had a pigeoninfestation up on top of the
roof tin roof holes in it,probably where the rivets are,
just a leaky roof, leaky roof.
So when it rained, of coursethose droppings went down, those
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holes dropped into.
That batch of peanuts, thatbatch of peanut oil, batch of
peanut butter got sent out.
It was all rooted back to thosepigeons up on the roof.
So there definitely is thedisease factor you have to look
out for, the disease factor youhave to look out for and the
ectoparasites that they carry.
You know, ticks, bedbugs, anykind of little creature like
that you don't want in yourhouse, you don't want at the
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hotel you're staying in, youdon't want that at the airport,
getting on your luggage, that'skind of a stretch, but you know,
at your house, oh, yeah,definitely.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
You know when you think of when I think about
birds, you know at first youthink oh, yeah, definitely.
You know when you think of whenI think about birds, you know
at first you think oh, they'recute little birds, you know
pretty.
And they are.
Yeah, they are From a backyardperspective For sure.
If you've ever opened up abirdhouse or had to clean out a
Purple Martin house and you seehow messy they are, yeah, it's
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pretty gross.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, messy they are, yeah, it's uh pretty gross.
Yeah, and what's uh, what'sinteresting when I, when I go on
uh on-site consults, um, whenwe actually go on the roof and
they show me the uh exactlywhere, where the infestation is
and there's nesting materialsand there's bird droppings, even
before the pandemic, I wouldalways have a n93 mask and I
would always put it on just tolet them know.
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You know I'm trying to protectmyself, but let them kind of
demonstrate the severity of it,cause when you're kicking up
those nesting materials and, um,that's when the bird stuff gets
in the air, those little dustparticles, and that's when it
can get in your lungs.
So when the bird, when thebirds dropping when lungs.
So when the bird, when thebirds droppings, when they, when
they dry up and they get kickedaround in the air, that's kind
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of when you have to uh watch out, especially when it's a a lot
of droppings.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Um, that's what that's when I, that's why I put
the mask on I wish I would haveknown that back in 82, when I
was in that warehouse, there wasa lot of dust.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I mean, yeah, one of the jobs I was at earlier this
week, the guy I'm driving aroundwith.
He told me a guy just gotpooped on by a pigeon and he was
very livid.
He's just a maintenance guyworking probably welding or
something, just got pooped onhis helmet and he threw his
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helmet down.
He was so mad.
Um, you know that's uh, you gotto think about your workers, uh
, especially when they're day inand day out working in the
stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Um, you got to protect them too so you know
it's a huge safety factor.
There's no slips, trips orfalls you know, it's a disease
control.
You know, you've got that whenyou've got that big, uh, when
you've got that big a birdpopulation you know, residential
, you probably don't have muchof a problem.
You know, uh, for the most part, yeah, except for starlings up
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in the uh brick work, you know,up in the gym, whatever.
How do you take care ofsomething like that?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
for sure.
Uh, each job is a littledifferent.
You know you, by law you can'treally touch bird nests.
When there's, when there's eggsin there, even if it's a
unprotected bird, um, as soon asthe the hatchling, as soon as
they uh actually leave the nest,that's when you can move it.
Um, so it's kind of nestremoval.
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Um, you know they're, they'restarlings, they're sparrows, are
really small birds, so they can.
You'd be surprised what kind ofcracks and crevices and holes
they can find themselves in.
Um, I've had a client with astarling climb up the uh, the,
uh, the dryer chute vent, ohyeah, peck its way through that
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little it was, I think it was a,probably a plastic shield peck
its way through there and find ahome in that little, uh uh
little space looking tube, yeah,and had to had to retract the
starling from that.
That was.
That was pretty interesting.
Um, unfortunately it had died.
Their uh, their uh, um, clothesstarted to smell kind of kind
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of dingy and uh, yeah, the.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
uh, one of the questions I had that you just
tapped on to there for a secondwas are birds protected by law?
So I guess you kind of answeredthat with the if there's a nest
with little birds in there, youcan't touch it.
Are there any other laws thatbirds are protected by?
Speaker 1 (24:07):
that birds are protected by.
Yeah, I mean, when it comes tosomebody that's uh, like an
employee, employer that needs toget birds, like there are, I
mean, most birds are protected,except for your, your starling
pigeon and the house sparrow.
Um the migratory bird treatyact.
It was enacted and it protectsall, all birds, um, except for
those three birds um but thereare depredation orders you can
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get.
Just working for um, theprevious company that I worked
for, we get a lot of calls, uh,like a magpie or a raven um it's
kind of gross, but like themagpie swooping down and getting
at the eyeballs of baby sheep,plucking those out, yeah, and
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just stuff like that then, youhave wineries.
You got wineries with uh birdshitting those grapes but not
really consuming them, justputting their beaks in there and
then flying off, and then yougot a uh kind of a wasted
product right there yeah, sothere are there are.
I mean you work with your localwildlife department and they
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can uh kind of help you um getthat depredation order and then
uh report whatever happens backto them.
Um yeah, so they are.
Most birds are protected,except for those three.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah, that's really interesting.
Well, tyler, thanks forstopping by and visiting.
Is there anything else you wantto tell us before we?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
close it up.
You know we don't hate birds,we love birds too.
For instance, we have a uh, ahouse finch that just moved in
to our uh, actually our frontdoor.
At our house we have a wreathand before we even knew it,
there was a nest there, um, andthen a mama bird, you know, yeah
(25:54):
, had four little eggs in therethrew a fifth egg in there and
now she's, uh, incubating them.
We're just waiting for those uh,little birds to hatch, so we
creep open that door and we shutit really softly, kind of
trained our kids not to slamthat door open because those
eggs could fall out.
Uh, we're just, we're reallyexcited about these little birds
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and see what happens to them.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
We had the exact same thing happened to us a wreath
on the front door, and so mywife wouldn't let us go,
wouldn't let me go out the frontdoor anymore.
I had to go back until thoseeggs were hatched.
Everybody was gone.
But uh yeah, that's really,that's really cool.
But yeah, so you know there'sthere's the pros and the cons.
(26:38):
And the pros are awesome youknow bird watchers and things
like that.
The cons are, you know, one ofthe things I think I want if I
go up to, like you justmentioned, a big big box retail
stores yeah and you see birdnests that are being built in
the letters of whatever thestore you know, like uh, tarjay
(27:02):
maybe, yeah, yeah, you think myfirst impression is is that they
don't really care about.
You know, if they're lettingjunk up in there and their logo
on the building and there'snests all up in there, then
there's something about that.
That's a little off-putting tome.
It's kind of like, yeah, theydon't pay attention to the
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details or take care of thedetails yeah so, uh, yeah, I can
see that.
So, yeah, I mean, if people wantto get a hold of you, um, I
never knew this was a business,uh, until I ran into you on
linkedin.
So if someone needs moreinformation or you know needs
contact you, how do they get intouch with you?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, we have a website, okbirdcontrolcom,
really active on LinkedIn.
I have a truck I drive aroundin kind of mobile advertising,
but I would say the majoritywould just go to the website
okbirdcontrolcom.
It's got all the contactinformation questions you may
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have.
Yeah, we're here to help.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, if you need any help with bird control for your
business refinery warehouses.
You know I especially think ofarchitectural monuments or city
buildings, state buildings youknow you always see those spikes
, or whatnot.
Yeah, for good reason, just getin touch with Tyler Cole, he'll
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get you all set up.
So for Tyler Cole, this isScott Townsend.
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey, this is Scott Townsend.
Thanks for joining the ScottTownsend Show.
And today I have with mespecial guest Tyler Cole from OK
Bird Control and husband,father of three kids.
Wish him luck.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Tyler, how's it going ?
Going great, how you doing,scott.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'm doing pretty good .
Yeah, awesome, it's a great.
It's kind of cloudy, goinggreat.
How you doing, scott?
I'm doing pretty good.
Yeah, awesome, it's a great.
It's kind of cloudy out, butthat's okay.
What'd you have for breakfastthis morning?
What'd you have?
Speaker 1 (00:31):
for breakfast this morning.
Well, funny, you should ask theI forget what it's actually
called.
I'm going to say the perfectbar.
It's from Starbucks and theyput it in the cold section and
it is.
It is a, I don't know.
I guess it's really healthy foryou, but I look at it as kind
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of like dessert.
So after I eat a good meal Ilike to gnaw on one of those,
and sometimes first thing in themorning, what a way to start
the day.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Sounds good.
Yeah, so, tyler, you're uh with, okay, bird control and uh, you
and I were talking on linkedinnot too long ago and I thought
the subject was interesting, andfor a couple reasons.
Number one, number one I likebirds and my wife likes birds
and you know everyone, so noteveryone's.
(01:24):
Well, every, every night,pretty much, we'll go in the
backyard sit down, watch the redbirds you know, all that stuff
hates darlings.
but you know so, hummingbirds,we always write down on the
calendar what you know when theyshow up.
This year they showed up reallylate, that was like a week
later.
So I think the Texas freeze hadmaybe something to do with that,
(01:47):
but cold snap yeah, but uh, andso then you were uh talking
about, uh, okay, bird controland and birds as pests.
And you know, I was thinkingabout that too and I never
really think of birds as pestsuntil I go and visit like a
monument or a historicalbuilding or something like that.
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And then you, you know, likeoklahoma state, you know they
have all those, all thatarchitecture and perfect places
for birds to make nests and youknow if you, if you think about
for about a second, what's thebig deal.
But if you, if you think about,you know if left unchecked for
(02:33):
you know if you never doanything about it, oh my gosh,
yeah, what a problem that is.
And, uh, my brother and I usedto work in uh, we spent one
summer working down in southTexas and we had to go to this
warehouse to pick up some storedequipment that was old and I
mean there was bird stuffeverywhere.
(02:53):
Windows were broken out,pigeons inside, the whole
everything was covered in pigeondroppings, and so it's pretty
gross.
I've done a lot of talking here, so how did you get into, okay,
bird control?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
for sure.
Uh, before I started working inthe the industry, um, I was
tied to the machining weldingworld and did that for about 10
years and one of the employersthat I worked for didn't kind of
what's the word?
Diversify, so they kind of hadone customer and when the price
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of oil went, whoops, I kind of Ididn't have to look for a new
job, but I my hours got cutpretty big and just believe in
god for the right opportunity.
And one of one of my friends atchurch, uh, actually owns a, uh
a manufacturer of a productthat uh repels birds, so he
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needed somebody to help him inthe warehouse in the back, uh
getting orders out and that sortof thing, and that that turned
into that other part of that,that 20 hours that made up for
that, for that job, because Iwas only working 20 hours and,
uh, that was about seven yearsago and throughout that time it
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turned into a full-time job andI just worked at that company,
learning all about birds, workedin sales, worked in agriculture
.
A lot of birds like to consumecrops in mass numbers Makes
farmers really mad and trying tosave some of their ammo for
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them.
So that's when they'd wouldcall me.
I have a solution for them.
Um worked at that company forabout six years and um started
my company about two years agodoing it part-time.
So I'd get a client here andthere um go help them get rid of
their birds, and then itstarted to be more and more
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clients, and then more and moreclients and then this last
January went full time and on myown with okay Bird control been
doing it full time for aboutfive months now.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah Cool.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I noticed on your website it's 24, seven service.
Have you ever had anybody callyou at 3.00m saying hey, I got a
bird problem.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Well, yes, I have.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
It goes straight to voicemail about that time though
.
Yeah, just answer it in themorning when I get there.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Why is bird pest controlimportant?
Yeah, why is bird pest controlimportant.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah well, when you're dealing with your
residential job, you got birdsmaking noise in the morning.
When you're trying to wake upyou got nesting materials
clogging up like air ventilation, bird droppings everywhere.
It's kind of a nuisance.
So for residentialsials it's alittle bit different.
(06:06):
When you're talking aboutcommercial like I've got some
clients that are big oilrefineries or chemical plants
and with the residential jobsyou're dealing with, uh, maybe
four birds at the most.
One one of my jobs I have umabout a quarter of a million
starlings.
Of my jobs, I have um about aquarter of a million starlings
(06:30):
on one site and it's uh, it'squite epic to see that in action
, especially uh when they cometo feed at night or when they're
feeding all day and then theycome to roost on site, um about
dusk it, the murmurations, whatthey call it, the murmurations
are definitely when the birdsall flock together and they kind
of move in the zigzaggy.
There's really no actual pattern.
It's just, it's just amazing tosee that though.
(06:52):
Right, yeah, but when you'retalking about commercial, a job
size that big, the amount ofdroppings that that produces,
right, um, like this specificjob site, before I started the
job they were doing this,monthly they were.
They had about 54.
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He told me about 54, 50 gallondrums that they would scoop up
and fill those up with birddroppings so when you got a bird
problem like that, youdefinitely know you got a bird
problem from a safety uhstandpoint too.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I mean, that makes the wherever you're walking uh
slick slippery.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
You know exactly man, especially those, uh, those
large goose.
Uh dro too.
Those are pretty slick and I'vehad some clients call me
because like a bank, forinstance.
Oh yeah, just one of the olderladies was walking in and slip
and fell on some goose droppings.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
So what kind of bird are you?
Does it seem like you're aftermore than any other?
What's the most popular?
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Probably the number one pest bird would probably be
the pigeon, and then starlingand house sparrow are kind of
neck and neck, they kind of.
They kind of produce mixedflocks.
So when you have starling,sometimes you have sparrows.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
So it's mostly not just one specific bird, um, but
pigeon would be definitely thenumber one yeah, I hadn't
thought about that too when yousaid a while ago that they had
to scoop up and uh what?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
55 gallon drums, barrels, whatever yeah, 53
actual barrels per month, fullof droppings.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
So you got to pay somebody to do that, which I
hadn't thought of either, andfor sure.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Then you got to handle it yes um I I on a job
like that.
I really don't offer my cleanupservices.
It's not really like a job likethat.
They have maintenance workersto clean stuff like that.
Up for me, right um your job isjust to get the birds out of
there, exactly, I get them outof there, repel them out of
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there.
Uh, keep them from just makingit nice for them to be there
what uh.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
So talk about the different ways to repel that
you've got.
You know several different uhways to go about um, scaring off
birds, um, like three inparticular that I can think of.
Can you kind of go into thedifferent uh ways that you go
about uh?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
yeah, there's.
There's exclusion, um which,just if you have a specific area
on your property that you don'twant birds, um then you would
do like a spike or a netting.
Like big box retailers or justsome other places like that.
It's kind of not an eyesore,but people don't like to see big
(10:02):
spikes coming out of theirbuilding, so that's kind of try
and do that in the background.
If there's like a loading dockor something like that, that's
where, like not a a, not thefront of the building, um right,
that's where you would seesomething like that.
Um, you got the scare deviceswhich are your scare owls uh for
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cut for, uh geese, it'd besomething like a coyote,
something that there's apredator.
What's funny is like the.
You see, a lot of companiestake it on themselves to take
care of the the bird probleminternally, and I I definitely
applaud that.
But they'll put a scare owl upand just leave it there and
it'll work for a couple days.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
But with with scare devices, you kind of constantly
got to move them I wonderedabout that yeah, they're just
going to get used to it yeah,I'll drive by one piece of uh
property here in town andthere's a pond in the backyard
and I saw some coyote, one ortwo coyote statues and I and so
I always thought they just mustlike coyotes.
(11:07):
You know that's good.
So when you mentioned uhcoyotes for geese yeah, I guess
that's what they're doing reallyis uh it just that just dawned
on me.
They're probably trying toscare away the canadian geese or
whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah yeah, I mean it's, it's science versus mother
nature and you know it's alsotrial and error.
There's no real silver bulletthat takes care of every bird
problem.
Um, sometimes you have toincorporate one use the other.
What I, what I usually leadwith, is a product called
avitrol easy blend and it's, uh,it's basically a grain bait
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with baiting trays and they'rejust wooden trays.
But it's mostly rooftop workand I'll put the trays up on the
roof and I'm feeding thembasically wheat, milo and a
crack corn.
Um, and it's great for mixedflocks, cause even the, the
small birds can eat the grains.
(12:02):
It's not big whole kernels ofcorn.
Um, so they I come out once aonce a week for about a month,
uh, put the trays out, make surethe birds are feeding off of it
, and then that's when I come inthe next month with the Avatrol
Easy Blend and it's designed toscare the flocks away.
Basically, the birds eat it.
(12:23):
It affects them like there's apredator in the area.
So the birds that consume theAvatrol Easy Blend they kind of
vocalization a little weird, uh,flapping the wings, and the
other birds around see that birdreacting like there's a
predator.
So they get scared and thenthey fly away.
So it's one month of thepre-baiting and then one month
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of the live baiting and thenonce a month coming back just to
monitor, um, and see if there'sany new bird activity.
Because those, those birds thatare treated like that they'll
never come back to the site.
They associate the actualbuilding, the rooftop, with
danger, not actually the food.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
So that's that's usually what I lead with and
that's usually the mosteffective way so the, the
avitrol, or avitrol, does it, uh, does it kill the bird that
eats?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
it, it can, it is.
It is a pesticide and usuallywe come in with a 1 to 40 ratio.
It's a really high dilutedratio.
So, um, the birds that do uhperish are usually the, the
dominant flock members in thatflock, that get in there at the
very beginning, when the food'sthere, and just kind of eat it
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all up.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
But once you get some reactions then those birds will
fly away of secondary poisoningor something like if a coyote,
take, for example, or something,eats the dead bird that ate the
avatrol?
Does it hurt the?
Does it pass along to thesecond generation or whatever it
(14:02):
?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
actually doesn't.
Um, it's just quicklymetabolized throughout the bird
as soon.
I mean, it takes a lot of uh,it burns a lot of of calories
trying to keep those bird wingsflapping, so it pretty much goes
in and then goes out.
So there is no secondarypoisoning at all.
(14:22):
Yeah, and it is weight based.
So I'm putting up out enoughbait for basically a few little
birds, out enough bait forbasically a few little birds.
So if it affects, let's say, acat or something, they're gonna
have to eat a lot more than whatI'm putting out.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Uh, you mentioned crop control a while ago.
Farmers, uh, wanting the birdsout of there.
Um, I didn't know that was aproblem, um, but uh, can you
talk about that for a little bit?
What, uh, what are farmers?
What's the problem farmers havewith all these birds?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Yeah, there's, there's.
I mean you got your farmer andthen you got your, your, your
cow, calf operator, your feedlot, your feed yard.
So with that it's basicallybirds pooping on the, on their
actual food and getting thewater contaminated, and then
those horses, those cows, umwhatever, eating that
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contaminated food.
Vet bills go go high to uh kindof counteract whatever's going
on internally with those animals, um, with crops, um, you've
seen maybe not in real life butmaybe on TV just those
murmurations and how many.
You know it can be anywherefrom a thousand starlings to.
(15:38):
You know, I have a job that hasa quarter million starlings,
but those flocks can go up toabout a million, and then they
land on a crop and just consumeall that, that wheat, that
soybean, and it can be prettydevastating.
I wish I had the numbers infront of me about the crop loss
per year, but I know, uh,there's a b attached to it like
(16:01):
a billion, right.
So I just I know that farmersand uh people like that can
definitely be affected by byprofit loss, by grain
consumption, by contamination,all sorts of stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
So what did farmers used to do in the past, before
there were these electronic anddifferent ways of scaring birds
away?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I mean, like you, shot guns or I would say
shotguns, I would say thescarecrows probably uh,
scarecrows yeah probably derivedfrom that.
Um, I would say bird likedefinitely shotguns.
Um, loud noises pans bangingpans.
Um, uh, it's been a lot of, uh,you know, probably poisoning
(16:49):
somehow.
Um, I would say mostly probablyshotguns yeah yeah the uh.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
So you talked about the three ways of uh repelling
birds.
You've got the exclude.
What was exclusion?
And you've got the uhrepellents, yeah, and, and then
the scare devices, yeah.
So you know, people probablydon't realize what's going on at
the airport.
Now, the airport is a placewhere I can definitely see yeah,
(17:20):
you really need to keep yourbird population under control
because, you don't want birdstrikes, and I just saw a video
yesterday of a plane having likeeight or nine bird strikes and
they had to turn around and goback, um, and so it's that
screeching sound that you hearin the parking garage.
You know, you can, and I've hadpeople ask, you know, mentioned
(17:44):
.
So what is that?
Why?
Why do they have all thesebirds under here?
Yeah, I'm thinking, well,that's a, that's a, that's a
recording to keep the all thebirds away.
You know, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
And that's your like international airport, like
tulsa international, there'sprobably I mean, if I had to
guess, probably 15 differenthangers, commercial hangers,
like different businesses, andthey individually have to take
care of their bird problems.
And then you have the actualinternational airport different
areas, runways, different thing,and then terminals, even the
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entrance to walk in, like thesouthwest area, there's there's
birds, there's starlings.
You get there early in themorning on a Monday for a 5.00
AM or 6.00 AM flight.
You'll definitely hear them,definitely see them, and it's an
issue with those bird droppings.
I mean there's about 60 plusdifferent types of diseases
associated with with birddroppings.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I was going to, I was going to ask you about that.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
So there really is, there really is some kind of
contamination or a sickness orwhat's going on there?
Yeah, definitely, yes,salmonella.
Like, probably in the early 90sthere was a peanut facility
that made peanuts, made peanutbutter, all sorts of products
like that, made peanut butter,all sorts of products like that,
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and they had a pigeoninfestation up on top of the
roof tin roof holes in it,probably where the rivets are,
just a leaky roof, leaky roof.
So when it rained, of coursethose droppings went down, those
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holes dropped into.
That batch of peanuts, thatbatch of peanut oil, batch of
peanut butter got sent out.
It was all rooted back to thosepigeons up on the roof.
So there definitely is thedisease factor you have to look
out for, the disease factor youhave to look out for and the
ectoparasites that they carry.
You know, ticks, bedbugs, anykind of little creature like
that you don't want in yourhouse, you don't want at the
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hotel you're staying in, youdon't want that at the airport,
getting on your luggage, that'skind of a stretch, but you know,
at your house, oh, yeah,definitely.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
You know when you think of when I think about
birds, you know at first youthink oh, yeah, definitely.
You know when you think of whenI think about birds, you know
at first you think oh, they'recute little birds, you know
pretty.
And they are.
Yeah, they are From a backyardperspective For sure.
If you've ever opened up abirdhouse or had to clean out a
Purple Martin house and you seehow messy they are, yeah, it's
(20:23):
pretty gross.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, messy they are, yeah, it's uh pretty gross.
Yeah, and what's uh, what'sinteresting when I, when I go on
uh on-site consults, um, whenwe actually go on the roof and
they show me the uh exactlywhere, where the infestation is
and there's nesting materialsand there's bird droppings, even
before the pandemic, I wouldalways have a n93 mask and I
would always put it on just tolet them know.
(20:46):
You know I'm trying to protectmyself, but let them kind of
demonstrate the severity of it,cause when you're kicking up
those nesting materials and, um,that's when the bird stuff gets
in the air, those little dustparticles, and that's when it
can get in your lungs.
So when the bird, when thebirds dropping when lungs.
So when the bird, when thebirds droppings, when they, when
they dry up and they get kickedaround in the air, that's kind
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of when you have to uh watch out, especially when it's a a lot
of droppings.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Um, that's what that's when I, that's why I put
the mask on I wish I would haveknown that back in 82, when I
was in that warehouse, there wasa lot of dust.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
I mean, yeah, one of the jobs I was at earlier this
week, the guy I'm driving aroundwith.
He told me a guy just gotpooped on by a pigeon and he was
very livid.
He's just a maintenance guyworking probably welding or
something, just got pooped onhis helmet and he threw his
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helmet down.
He was so mad.
Um, you know that's uh, you gotto think about your workers, uh
, especially when they're day inand day out working in the
stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Um, you got to protect them too so you know
it's a huge safety factor.
There's no slips, trips orfalls you know, it's a disease
control.
You know, you've got that whenyou've got that big, uh, when
you've got that big a birdpopulation you know, residential
, you probably don't have muchof a problem.
You know, uh, for the most part, yeah, except for starlings up
(22:19):
in the uh brick work, you know,up in the gym, whatever.
How do you take care ofsomething like that?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
for sure.
Uh, each job is a littledifferent.
You know you, by law you can'treally touch bird nests.
When there's, when there's eggsin there, even if it's a
unprotected bird, um, as soon asthe the hatchling, as soon as
they uh actually leave the nest,that's when you can move it.
Um, so it's kind of nestremoval.
(22:48):
Um, you know they're, they'restarlings, they're sparrows, are
really small birds, so they can.
You'd be surprised what kind ofcracks and crevices and holes
they can find themselves in.
Um, I've had a client with astarling climb up the uh, the,
uh, the dryer chute vent, ohyeah, peck its way through that
(23:13):
little it was, I think it was a,probably a plastic shield peck
its way through there and find ahome in that little, uh uh
little space looking tube, yeah,and had to had to retract the
starling from that.
That was.
That was pretty interesting.
Um, unfortunately it had died.
Their uh, their uh, um, clothesstarted to smell kind of kind
(23:37):
of dingy and uh, yeah, the.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
uh, one of the questions I had that you just
tapped on to there for a secondwas are birds protected by law?
So I guess you kind of answeredthat with the if there's a nest
with little birds in there, youcan't touch it.
Are there any other laws thatbirds are protected by?
Speaker 1 (24:07):
that birds are protected by.
Yeah, I mean, when it comes tosomebody that's uh, like an
employee, employer that needs toget birds, like there are, I
mean, most birds are protected,except for your, your starling
pigeon and the house sparrow.
Um the migratory bird treatyact.
It was enacted and it protectsall, all birds, um, except for
those three birds um but thereare depredation orders you can
(24:29):
get.
Just working for um, theprevious company that I worked
for, we get a lot of calls, uh,like a magpie or a raven um it's
kind of gross, but like themagpie swooping down and getting
at the eyeballs of baby sheep,plucking those out, yeah, and
(24:50):
just stuff like that then, youhave wineries.
You got wineries with uh birdshitting those grapes but not
really consuming them, justputting their beaks in there and
then flying off, and then yougot a uh kind of a wasted
product right there yeah, sothere are there are.
I mean you work with your localwildlife department and they
(25:12):
can uh kind of help you um getthat depredation order and then
uh report whatever happens backto them.
Um yeah, so they are.
Most birds are protected,except for those three.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah, that's really interesting.
Well, tyler, thanks forstopping by and visiting.
Is there anything else you wantto tell us before we?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
close it up.
You know we don't hate birds,we love birds too.
For instance, we have a uh, ahouse finch that just moved in
to our uh, actually our frontdoor.
At our house we have a wreathand before we even knew it,
there was a nest there, um, andthen a mama bird, you know, yeah
(25:54):
, had four little eggs in therethrew a fifth egg in there and
now she's, uh, incubating them.
We're just waiting for those uh,little birds to hatch, so we
creep open that door and we shutit really softly, kind of
trained our kids not to slamthat door open because those
eggs could fall out.
Uh, we're just, we're reallyexcited about these little birds
(26:15):
and see what happens to them.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
We had the exact same thing happened to us a wreath
on the front door, and so mywife wouldn't let us go,
wouldn't let me go out the frontdoor anymore.
I had to go back until thoseeggs were hatched.
Everybody was gone.
But uh yeah, that's really,that's really cool.
But yeah, so you know there'sthere's the pros and the cons.
(26:38):
And the pros are awesome youknow bird watchers and things
like that.
The cons are, you know, one ofthe things I think I want if I
go up to, like you justmentioned, a big big box retail
stores yeah and you see birdnests that are being built in
the letters of whatever thestore you know, like uh, tarjay
(27:02):
maybe, yeah, yeah, you think myfirst impression is is that they
don't really care about.
You know, if they're lettingjunk up in there and their logo
on the building and there'snests all up in there, then
there's something about that.
That's a little off-putting tome.
It's kind of like, yeah, theydon't pay attention to the
(27:24):
details or take care of thedetails yeah so, uh, yeah, I can
see that.
So, yeah, I mean, if people wantto get a hold of you, um, I
never knew this was a business,uh, until I ran into you on
linkedin.
So if someone needs moreinformation or you know needs
contact you, how do they get intouch with you?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Yeah, we have a website, okbirdcontrolcom,
really active on LinkedIn.
I have a truck I drive aroundin kind of mobile advertising,
but I would say the majoritywould just go to the website
okbirdcontrolcom.
It's got all the contactinformation questions you may
(28:05):
have.
Yeah, we're here to help.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, if you need any help with bird control for your
business refinery warehouses.
You know I especially think ofarchitectural monuments or city
buildings, state buildings youknow you always see those spikes
, or whatnot.
Yeah, for good reason, just getin touch with Tyler Cole, he'll
(28:31):
get you all set up.
So for Tyler Cole, this isScott Townsend.
Thanks for joining the ScottTownsend Show.
Have a great day and we'll talkto you later.
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