August 27, 2025 • 51 mins
Bachelor Nation icon, Kaitlyn Bristowe, just did a full re-watch of her entire season, and shares her honest reactions and cringe-moments 10-years later. She gets real about dating in Nashville, life at 40, former WAG dreams, and girl-boss’ing! Plus, all the tea about her newest reality venture, hosting Are You My First on Hulu!
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello, my loves. I'm so hyped on today. My guest
is basically Bachelor Nation Royalty.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
She's the bachelorette who kept it.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Real, the wine queen behind Spade and Sparrow, and the
voice of Off the Vine. Caitlin Bristow is here. Finally,
we've been trying to set this up for so long.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
No, I've bought you on my podcast too for so long.
I'm like, finally we're making this work.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Are you in New York?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
No, I'm well, I'm off and in New York, but
I'm in Nashville. That's where I live.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Do you like it out there Nashville? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I love it. I just I feel like it's kind
of like my Like I've made my home just my
little sanctuary where I don't really do much in Nashville.
If I travel to like LA and New York, I'm like,
you know, doing stuff. But when I'm home, I'm like
such a homebody. Yeah, and I just don't leave my house.
I just stay with my dog. So yeah, I love
it for that reason.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I'm totally with you.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I feel like I finally am rooted in La where
I have my house that I rarely leave. I've made
it my sanctuary, So I totally get that, but I
would I love Nashville. So my hope is that when
I can do your podcast, I get to come to you.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Oh please do. I would love to have you. And
it's like, I do feel like Nashville's kind of middle
ground and it's very I mean, it's growing like crazy,
but I feel like it still feels like a small
town in a big city and everyone's so friendly. And
I've been here for ten years, so I must like it.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
That's a long time.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I know, I know it doesn't feel like I've been here.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
That long, but yeah, what's the dating scene like in Nashville?
Is it getting hard?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Not good?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Apparently, like the ratio is like there's so many good
looking women and like awesome women in this I don't
know what it is about Nashville, but there's just like
so many great girls here. And then I just feel
like all the guys are so young, and everybody has
that broccoli haircut and like the backwards hat, you know
what I'm talking about, or they like have the side
shaved and it's like on top, like really like looking
(02:03):
here mop on top of their head. I don't know,
but I feel like everyone's so young.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Oh well, I feel like a lot of people left
cities like Los Angeles and New York and they started
going to like Nashville, they started going to Austin, and
I feel like it kind of like it changed things.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
And like you said, in any city.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I feel like there's more incredible women who are like
just bringing all of it. They've got like the sexy happening,
They've got their shit together, and then these dudes where
I'm like, this is this is what's out there.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It's it's actually bizarre because I was pretty much in
a back to back relationship and two different relationships the
whole time I've been to Nashville. And then I was like,
oh my gosh, do I have to date in Nashville?
And then I was like, no, I'm not doing it.
I don't think I Actually I went on one double
date in Nashville, but it was like at a honky
(02:57):
Tonk on Broadway, which is my personal hell. And it
was like, fine, it was fun.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
You got like some free drinks and a free meal whatever.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah. Yeah, I got some like fried pickles and a beer.
It was great.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Hey, that sounds fucking awesome. It was my idea of
a five star night.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So that are you You're not opposed to dating like
long distance.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I'm really not, because I've so. When I was oh gosh,
I can't remember how old I was, I dated a
guy who was a hockey player, and he was always
like somewhere else, and then when he go to training camp,
it was in Germany at one point, and then I
was like, I've I've done it. And I actually love
long distance because I like missing somebody. I'm hyper independent.
(03:42):
My therapist says, it's a coping mechanism that I have
that I'm like hyperindependent. But I like being alone so much.
It's it's like it it recharges my batteries to be alone.
And I feel like I'm a better partner overall if
I have space. And I like going like say I
was dating someone in New York, Okay, to go to
New York and just see them for a week and
(04:02):
then come home for a couple of weeks, you go back.
I actually love it.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
That resonates with me. I feel the same way I think.
I think long distance sounds like a dream, and you
I like the idea of missing someone and having them
miss me, and I like the idea of being able
to like go and kind of pull my shit together,
like when I'm at home, Like, I love just covering
myself in oil. You could fry an egg on my forehead.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
It's just I'm looking at my shiny face right now.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
But yes, well, by the way you and me both,
I'm always shiny though, because I'm like, I just want
to cake myself in oil and then like if I
if I have a man who's elsewhere, like that's my
time to like put on my push up bra and
look all kinds of sexy.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Totally. I love being gross, Like, I just love being gross.
It's one of my favorite things. I just like to
rot in my bed sometimes. I like to not worry
about what I look like smell, like, just like let
myself and then when I need to turn it on,
I turn it on.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I love that exact same thing. So you're I feel
like you're in good company. I've been watching Sex in
the City for the first time and everyone's like, oh,
you're watching and just like that, I'm like, no, I've
never seen Sex in the City like oge.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I've only seen.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
The movie never either.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Oh my god, Caitlyn, you have to do it.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Well, I keep trying. So I'm the same way. I
had never watched Sex in the City and everyone's like,
you would love it, and then I tried to get
into it in season one. I was like, what is this?
And I feel like it's I can't get into I
can't get into it.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Okay, maybe it's I feel like timing is everything when
it comes to shows like it just it is what
it is. I have to be in the right head space.
And I did the exact same thing. But right now
you're doing a full rewatch of your season of The Bachelor.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah I did.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, Okay, I'm obsessed with all of it. That sounds
like to ask me to go do a rewatch of O. G.
Vanner pump Rules sounds like the most horrendous idea ever.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I wish somebody warned me it was horrendous. It was.
It was a nightmare to rewatch. I thought it was
gonna be so fun and so cute and be like,
oh my god, ten years later like look at little
Caitlin and blah blah, and I was like sobbing and
having anxiety during the whole.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Thing because you were like embarrassed of behavior or like
where was what was it that made you like cringe?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
No, it was more like I was actually really proud
of my behavior because I was like, that was super
true to myself. And I actually think I handled myself
better than than I would Now. I'm not sure why,
but I just I was really like, wow, I that
was pretty pretty good. Like the way I handled conversations
(06:47):
or tough times, like I was so messy, but I'm like, yeah,
that situation is messy. It was more so I think
I'm really good at compartmentalizing, and I think I put
all of that stuff that happened a drawer and pushed
it away, and I like hadn't opened that drawer in
ten years. And to go back and relive something that
was so real to me where you know, so many
(07:10):
people think it's staged or it's fake, or it's like scripted,
and it was one of the most like intense, real
things I've ever gone through in my life. And not
to mention like the production side of it, I felt
so betrayed by so many people. I was so naive
to television, Like just so much of it was reopened
when I was watching back that I it was like
I unlocked something that had been locked away forever.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Did you have to talk to your therapist about it?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Oh? Like I had to call in extra hours for
it because I was like, wow, I've never because I
thought about it, and I'm like, I've never really unpacked
what happened to me on that show or what I
went through, And all I did was when I came
out of it engaged, like when things got really bad,
we went and saw a therapist as like a couple's therapists.
But I never unpacked what I actually went through on
(07:58):
the show. So yes, there's a lot of therapy happen.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, I feel like when you're that young, because you
said it was ten years ago, So how how old
were you when you did The Bachelor?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I just turned forty. I was thirty, so.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
You were okay, so you were thirty when you went
on even now, like I look at these girls who
because I'm from Utah and there's a lot of girls
who get engaged and start having kids around like twenty
twenty one.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Oh yeah, and so when.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I started dating seriously around twenty five, I felt like
I'm so like, I'm older, I'm mature, right, Yeah. Then
I have a baby at thirty and now I look
at girls.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Who are thirty. I'll be thirty five this year.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Girls who are thirty, and they're like, yeah, I just
feel like I need to, Like I should have a
kid by now. I'm like, wait, because although ocean is
like the best thing on the planet, I'm like, thirty
is so young. So to hear you talk about going
into such an intense environment, basically the name of the
game is to it's a it's a competition with women.
(09:04):
And I don't want to say that it's unhealthy.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
To fight for the love and affection of a man
because I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I don't want that's pretty toxic.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Okay, I'm gonna let you say.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I don't want this to ever feel like a like
a judgmental zone. But you being that age and just
being thrown into kind of like fight for a man's attention,
I can imagine that there was a lot that you
kind of pushed to the side, never to be thought again.
Like you said, you put it in a drawer and
didn't think about it.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah, it's so interesting because I was so I went
on the Bachelor, and I actually was the most confident
I think I've been in my whole life, because I
had gone through such a horrible heartbreak. I had done
so much therapy on like figuring out who I was,
and I rebuilt my life and I came out of
it just being like, this is the perfect time for
(09:56):
me to go on a show like this, because I
didn't feel competitive with other women. I actually like I
went in there and I was like, I'm going to
show my like weird sense of humor. I'm going to
say offside jokes. I'm gonna like just be truly who
I am. And if he doesn't want that, like send
me home, I don't care. And I ended up making
so many beautiful friends in the house. And it was
(10:17):
more of when I was the bachelorette and dealing with
thirty twenty five to thirty. I can remember how many
men that are way more emotional than women, and like
being the lead and having to navigate so many different
personalities and relationships and like falling in love while also
still dating other people and constantly hurting people's feelings. Like
(10:39):
that's what really messed me up in the head more
than anything.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
So, so would you say that the toxicity of being
on the Bachelor came more from the production side of things.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Where it was like.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, only because I'm like, now I look back at
it because I've seen behind the curtains so many times
where I was on the Bachelor, i was the Bachelorette,
and then I got to host two seasons of the Bachelorette,
and then now I'm hosting this new show where now
I'm like, I have a little more understanding of production
and why they do what they do. I think I
(11:14):
just wish I was like not so naive because it
is toxic and they do. I don't know how to
explain it because it's not like they're forcing you to drink,
They're not forcing you to make decisions, but like things
are encouraged. And I never had been on TV before
and I never knew, so I truly thought the producers
were like wanting what's best for me, not what's best
(11:35):
for TV. So like it's taken a lot of time
to like forgive and forget, I guess and understand and
have a little more compassion for what they did because
I'm like, I get it now.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I think that's the biggest thing is you're on a
show where you're putting your heart and soul.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
On the line.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, but it is.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
First and foremost to entertain p exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I'm I don't know why I didn't. That didn't register
to me.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Like, why does It's not normal? It's not normal.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I remember looking at It was Sean who I got
engaged to, and it was one of our last dates,
and he was looking at me like, Caitlin, you see
like what they're doing. And I was like, Sean, these
people want what's best for me. They are family, and
He's like, and I really believed that. I was like, oh,
poor naive Caitlin.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
But that's I think probably what made you so special
is that you were authentically you. And I think as
as we get older and have more experiences, we lead
with a heart that's been traumatized.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
So true. I'm so glad that I was naive because
it really did allow me to just kind of surrender
to the process of, you know, being true to each relationship,
being true to myself. I was so messy, and I
would do that again. I wouldn't change a thing. And
You're right like, now I go into see situations just
like having trust issues and being jaded, and I'm like,
(13:04):
well that's not good either.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
No, I know, it's a really fine line that we're walking.
I love what you said that you made a lot
of friendships in the process though, so you still talk
to a lot of people that were on your season.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, it's the final three girls that were on the
Bachelor with me. It was Me, Whitney, and Beca Tilly.
We were like the final three and like you couldn't
separate us. We would like try and sneak out of
our hotel rooms to hang out with each other and
find what rooms we were in, and we all hung
out after and then like a few girls still from
that season, Ashley I was on. I don't know if
(13:42):
you're familiar with the Bachelor world at all, but actually
I was like icon in that world and I love
her so much and she is now married to a
guy that was on my season. Oh, I'm like, yeah,
it's all just like one big weird family.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
It is. But I'm totally used to that.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
It's like, let's just you know, swap it, flip it
up in the air, whatever we got to do to
find our love. Yeah, exactly, So it wasn't it wasn't weird,
like kicking it with these people, knowing that your bulls
like kind of sharing intimate experiences with the same guy,
I think.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
All the time because I'm like, why was that not weird?
And well, now Beca Tilly is engaged to a woman,
and I think, looking back, I think I really wasn't
super in love with the Bachelor, because I know how
I am when I'm in love, and I think I
was just very like I wanted to win almost and
(14:35):
then I got scared towards the end because I was like, oh, no,
he's obsessed with me, even though he dumped me, like blindsided,
and I was like, wait, what, You're not obsessed with me?
But I was like, I don't know why. The three
of us just like totally separated it. I think Beca
and I knew after after I got sent home. I
think Beca and I knew that it was Whitney and
(14:56):
I don't know, we all just were kind of there
for each other. Okay, so strange. I don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Well, there is nothing like a bond between women who
have had to deal with the same guy.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
That's true, but it's usually not in real time.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
It's not in real time. I think we all understood
the assignment. Oh, I don't know, it's I think Whitney
was the one who was truly there for Chris. I
think she was really in love with him. I think
she really wanted to marry him. And I think Beckett
and I were just like in the whirlwind of the show.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Do you guys have your phones when you're filming. No,
you don't get them until you're like completely finished.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Yeah, and it's it. I mean, when you're in the
final three, I want to say, that's like ten weeks
of filming.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
What, Yeah, just the final three?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Yeah, Like it's if you make it to the end,
it's ten it's ten weeks, I think. And for the
person who actually like gets engaged, I think it's eleven weeks.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Don't they start with like twenty five chicks.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yes, And then so like if you got sent home
week one, then you're gone. So you only did a
week of filming, okay, because you continue to go on
the final three, you go to somewhere like exotic, and
then you have like some downtime, and then the one
person gets like the date, and then they have the overnight,
and then the bachelor gets a day off, and then
the next girl goes and then they do the rose
(16:16):
ceremony at the end of that week.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
So then.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
It's a lot of filming and it's a lot of
downtime for the contestants, but it is as being the
lead of that show, you do not. I think I
got like four hours of sleep at night, and if
I was had any downtime, it was like, we'll put
on your dress from this night and do pickups from
this and it was it was so much work.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
And then you did the first ever season of Bachelorette
with another chick.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yes, but that was so they Night one it was
between me and another girl who I actually got along
with quite well, and I think they really wanted us
to be like but we were like, we're very different people,
Like if they want her, then they're not for me,
and we were very realistic about it. But they had
to vote. The guys had to vote night one, and
(17:04):
they had to put a rose. They had to go
into like a voting room and put a rose in
somebody's box and yeah, and they ended up like I
don't know what the vote total was, but I ended
up getting it and Britt had to go home, and
I was like, I felt so bad because she's such
(17:25):
a sweetheart, and I was like, oh no, I actually
felt bad.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Well, I like having a partner in crime.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
So for me to have like a little friend who's
like just as nervous as I am and we can
talk about the experience. I think I would bond with
a chick and be like, I don't care if all
these guys go home.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I just like want to feel safe with my girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
I totally agree. It was actually so fun because her
and I got to do press together, so we got
to like do the media rounds of like Kelly and
Michael and Good Morning America, and we got to do
all of it together to promote it because nobody knew
who had gotten to be the bachelorette at that point,
and that was actually really fun for us.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
That's really cute.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, it was cute.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
That's I mean.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
But I'm I prefer girls and gays. Like to put
me in a room full of twenty five fucking dicks,
I wouldn't even know what to do with myself.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I can't believe. I couldn't believe how much more emotional
and sensitive because they're egos. Like it was crazy because
I was like I was constantly having to like make
men feel better at all times. I was like, God,
this is and then my final too just like hated
each other. So it was like the Sean and Nick
Show of everything where I was just like, oh God,
can you guys just stop? It was so annoying. Great
(18:39):
for TV though, Great TV, Great TV.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Because you had done this already.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Like I always find anytime there is a camera that
wants to like capture me in the wild, I'm like,
I don't know how to talk to dudes when you're filming,
Like it just is very intimidating. Were you able to
get to know the dudes the way that you normally
would like when you're just out with your girlfriends, Like
(19:06):
do you feel like you're pretty copy and paste in
both situations?
Speaker 3 (19:09):
And so on Bachelorette, I found that I was almost
again I don't want to say forced, but it was
forced to have certain conversations because you're looking to be
engaged and find your husband. So it was like very
serious conversations right out of the gates. It was like
very much like are you looking for marriage? Like how
many kids? Like I wanted to talk about people's finances
(19:30):
and like political beliefs.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, those are huge themes when you're moving forward with right,
do you want to marry someone, you got to know
that shit.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
It's speed dating. It is speed dating. So in the
real world, I'm like, I am such a like my
way of flirting is to like poke fun and banter
and like not play games. But like I'm very much
just like a jokester. Where As the Bachelorette it made
me have it forced me to have more serious conversations,
(20:00):
where then after I came out of the relationship, I
was like, like on a first date, I would be
like having the serious conversations, So it just changed.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Kind of that's interesting to me. I'm kind of the
same way.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I have a really hard time having like deep conversations
when it comes like I kind of make light of
every single topic when I am dating, and I don't
know that it's the most productive.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I'm glad that I'm not alone, and you're the same way.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
You're not alone.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I like building more of like a bond and a
friendship and seeing if I'm like it has that and
the romantic connection, where on the Bachelorette I felt just like, Okay,
these are like the men I have to choose from
and I have to pick like the best from the group,
and like it was just so fast paced and you
(20:52):
don't get a lot of time. So like when I
got engaged, I didn't know his middle name and we
were like in a house together and I was going
to do a photo shoot to say like I'm engaged,
and he was like, well, wait, what's your phone number?
And I was like, this is weird, Like you just
don't like you had so many serious conversations with maybe
(21:14):
three or four of them where you're like, Okay, I
think I know this person, but the rest like I
couldn't even I don't even know anything about them.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, well, how could you?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I have a question since doing stepping in as more
of a host, did you like because I know that
your personal life you like to as far as dating
at least, you like to keep that very private, which
is crazy when you think about the whole reason why
you are on the map was because your love life
(21:44):
was out there for people. Yeah, do you find that
you prefer more of a hosting role instead of being
like the main character of the storyline?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Very very much? So, I love hosting that. Like when
I got to host The Bachelorette, I was doing it
with Tasha and she had covid on the final Bros. Episode,
which is three hours of live television with a teleprompter,
commercial breaks, navigating these people's feelings, and it was and
(22:16):
you have somebody in your ear like telling you to
count down and do this and make sure you get
to this person this, and I was like, I think
this is what I was born to do. I loved
every second of it. I loved reading off the teleprompter,
I loved hosting. I loved like running the show. And
I hated being the Bachelorette. I thought I would love it.
I hated it. I felt I just felt so much pressure.
(22:41):
And then for some reason, as a host, I feel
like I'm like comfortable and I feel like it's what
I'm supposed to be doing. I don't. I don't know why,
but that's that's really how I feel. Well.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
You get to still be in a place of entertaining people,
but you don't have you don't you're not.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
As exposed and left as vulnerable.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
And I think that's such a good point. I really
do enjoy, like I'm okay with being vulnerable. But I'm like, like,
if somebody asked me to go on Traders, I would
be like, hell yeah. But if somebody asked me to
go on like back as the bachelorette or bachelor in
pared or something like. I don't know. I think it's
what we were kind of saying earlier with being jaded
and leading with a jaded heart. I'm like, I want
(23:20):
to keep my dating life now so private and like
sacred to me because I have exposed myself and shared
so much of relationships and it has done nothing but
invite people in for their judgment and criticism and taking
the people like always want like the man to They're
always so much like on a man's side, and I
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don't know what that is. Like in every situation I've
been in, it's like Caitlin's the crazy one and she
must be doing this and this and poor this guy,
and it's always that situation. And I'm like, I'm just
done with it for now until I'm married, and like
maybe want to show something once in a blue moon,
then I'll do that, but I'm just like, I think
I'm so jaded from sharing it. It feels so sacred
to me now.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I think that's beautiful. I think that's great. That's similar
to how I feel about parenthood. No one's ever seen
me as a mom on TV, and it's like a
blessing and a curse because it's the most proud Those
are my most proud moments.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
But also in those moments.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
You offer the outside world to now place judgment and
give their two cents, and you just you hold certain
things close to your heart.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
And I think that's totally fair.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, and have you seen the internet in twenty twenty five,
I'm like, I'm terrified.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Let me tell you something, Caitlin.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
After and I've spiraled about this for a very long time.
After season eleven a vander Pump Rules, I told my
it was so intense for me that I just wanted
to disappear. I was like, I'll go and record my podcast.
(24:54):
I don't I would get you know, like we all
get invited to red carpets for movie premiere or whatever,
and I was like, I just don't want to be
involved at all because I am so afraid of the Internet.
And that has never ever been a thought in my
mind until a couple of years ago, where I was like,
(25:15):
I just want to be a normal stay at home mom,
pay the bills on time, no one fucking talked, don't
look at me, don't talk about me, and I'm still
kind of there.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
The internet is scary.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
It is scary, and it's so funny because so many
people have told me that you and I would be
good friends and that we like speak our mind and
that we're like similar personalities. And I've never been afraid
to like say what I think and say what I
want online, and now I'm just like, it's not worth it.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I don't. I don't really care what other people have
to say. But it's more of like it's scary seeing
what they have to say, because I'm like, what is
wrong with our world? And it's like I don't even
want to see it anymore. And I'm like, I don't know.
It's I still put so much stuff out there, but
I'm like it's almost like an experiment. Sometimes I'm like,
how weird are people going to get? If I'm in
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a bathing suit online? The amount of attacks I get,
I'm like, so then I'm like, it just depends on
what I always say. It depends on what cycle I'm
in of my period of how sassy I am online, Okay,
because if I'm in a sassy mood, I'll be like, oh,
you don't like be in a bathing suit and then
I'll get like weird and I'll dance so like I
ain't got no panties off bathing suit, you know. I
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just I'm just And then other times I'm like crying
in a corner. You just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
You never know. Depends on the day, it really does.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
And I'm also Gemini with a lot of cancer in
my chart, and so I'm like very spicy and then
very sensitive.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
That is I so relate to that, like you're speaking
my language. I'm like, I'm Virgo sun with Scorpio rising,
so the two of those are in constant conflict with
each other.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
So I feel for you, and the Gemini alone is
intense enough.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
I feel like I'm a walking contradiction at all times
because I like, don't I don't make any sense. I'm like, yeah,
come at me, bro, And then they come at me,
and I'm like crying, and I'm like, I'm just so confusing.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
That's everybody. Everyone is a walking contradiction. That's just called life.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I'm really excited to talk to you about.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
You've got this show that premierees on Hulu on August eighteenth.
It's called Are You by first, I have to all.
All I know is it's about a group of virgins.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Okay, so and are you already sold on the show?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I'm already sold. And I may be a born again
virgin who knows.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Oh my gosh, I'm telling you this is the this
I've walked away from that show being like, this is
gonna be the best show out there. It was so entertaining.
But it was such a combination of awkward, sweet, endearing, dramatic.
It was like cute. It was so many different things
(27:55):
all in one, and I am obsessed with this group
of people. And I remember thinking, like when they asked
me if I would be interested in hosting this show,
I was like what because I was like I always
call myself the slut of the franchise of Bachelor Nation
because I like openly talked about sex and people were
like ugh, and so I was like really me. And
then it was like with Colton Underwood, I was like,
(28:16):
did this actually makes sense?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:18):
And I like mentoring people. I like being there for
people on reality TV, and I like them to think
of me as not just a host. Is like, so
my question to all the producers and stuff, which they're
the producers from Love Island. It's basically Virgin Island, you know,
it's like the same kind of concept, okay, And I
remember being like, Okay, but can I actually like have
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real conversations with the cast of the show. Can I
be there for them if they need conversations like and
they were like yes. I was like, Okay, then I'm
in because I liked being able to do that on
The Bachelorette as well. And it was just so I mean,
everybody comes from such a different walk of life. You've
got people people are virgins for all different reasons. And
(29:03):
you know, sex is such a taboo topic. Whether you
have it, that's you know, ah you don't. Everyone's like,
oh my god, it's says such a judgmental thing. And
having these men and women on the show be so
open about it and there are reasons for it, you know.
It goes anywhere from religion to like one girl has vaginismus,
(29:26):
which like, do you know what that is? No? Tell me,
I actually I actually have it too, And I was like,
I'd never heard of anyone else having it. It's basically like,
so if I go into a doctor like to get
a physical, like they have to use the like mini
one on me. And it's not because like, oh, I
have a type vagina. It's because I actually, like my
muscles will seize up anytime something even goes near it,
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and think, like sex is painful for me at the beginning,
going to get a physical is painful for me. And
I had never heard anyone else have it. And one
of the reasons this girl on here is a virgin
and is because she has that, and I'm like, well,
I'm definitely not a virgin and I still have that,
but it's it's actually like more common. My doctor wants
me to go to physical therapy to like, was.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
It like a hip a hip issue?
Speaker 1 (30:12):
It's the actual vagina is closing up, yes, And to be.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Honest with you, like it's it can be like from
a traumatic event. Like for me personally, it's because when
I was I don't know, sixteen years old, my boyfriend
was trying to force me to do things and I
think it like traumatized me, and so I seize up
anytime like something goes near there. Yeah, and so I don't.
You'll probably find out through the episodes like why why
(30:40):
she has it? And there's just so many different reasons,
like somebody's a Mormon, she has vaginismus, somebody's really just
waiting for the right one. Other people are just like
the one girl is scared of penises. She's like they're
scary looking. I'm like, I totally agree. And it's just
everybody's so vulnerable and like sweet, and it's just a
it's a very entertaining show.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
And what would you say the age range.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Is, it's anywhere from I think the youngest is like
twenty three or twenty four thirty.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Oh okay, so they're young, yeah, and they're young enough
to be sexually active, but right, yes, but still still young,
and you know they've got there. I mean, I have
low testosterone right now, so I'm like, I like, do
you really I.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Just got on a testosterone cream. I'm like, is this forty?
Like I'm like it was like I turned forty and
I had to go on testosterone cream. I'm like growing
a full beard. It's like it's a whole thing.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I It's like, it's just it is what it is, right,
every single woman's gonna go through it. My mother, who's
sixty five, has higher testosterone than I do right now.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
So I'm like what the fuck is this?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
And I want to blame it on postpartum, but I
mean we're rounding into a year, bro, I'm like this,
you can't still be this right.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
I'm always looking to blame something. And my mom's like,
maybe blame Perry menopause, and I was like, I hate it.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I don't say that word like that alone.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Just like I don't feel forty. I feel so young.
I feel like the best I've ever felt, So do
like my body you'd be going through this stuff, I'm like, what.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
No, But it's all about your mind. The mind is
what caused the shots.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
So if you feel like you're, you know, twenty seven,
still you fucking get it, bitch.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I do I feel like twenty nine thirty?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
That's hey, ten years off. That's perfect.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
My other question is do they get laid on the show?
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I could say that one couple definitely entered the love shack,
which is where you're supposed to go if that's what
you would like to do. But it was very important
to not only the cast, but Colton and I and
all the producers to not force anyone or you know.
That was like a big conversation we had before even filming, Like,
nobody is to feel forced, nobody is to feel like
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we're pushing something on them. Like it's very much building
relationships and finding love, and we like obviously hope they
found somebody. But it's one of those things that I
have to say, like tune in, why I.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Know, No, I love the tune in and find out
because I will be tuning in to find out the
thing that I love you. Saying that no one was forced.
Is your first your first not sexual experience, but your
first sexual experience. That kind of sets the tone for
how you view sex for the rest of your life.
(33:36):
And I lost my virginity at seventeen to my high
school sweetheart and we were together for a long time.
It was nothing but pleasant. And then I had a
friend who lost her virginity. I want to say she
was probably twenty two or twenty three. She'd waited a
long time. She lost her virginity to a very very
a list celebrity, and it completely fucked up.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Her view of self.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Yeah, oh oh gosh. Was it like somebody freaky and
kinky that has like been there, done.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
That, Yes, And I like no commitment obviously, And so
when one.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Party has held out to like sleep with.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Someone that they are into, and then the other person
is like, I'm just here for a good time and I.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Do this nightly with multiple chicks. It can fuck with you.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Oh, that totally would.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
It would.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
So I'm like really happy that the whole point of
the show is like creating a place to feel safe
where you're.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
You know, showing it all and it's intimidating.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
It is intimidating, and I think they were very like
nervous and intimidated. And you know, on shows, like any
kind of dating show, you're really pushing your boundaries and
getting uncomfortable, and to do that in front of cameras
and so they're just they were so they were so
willing to just explore and be open about everything, and
(35:04):
it was I loved every single one of them. I
just I just walked away from it being like they
got the best. Those are those the best group virgins
you could possibly get for television.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
Oh my god, this is the best group of virgins.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
I was like, we need a season two because you
can you'll be able to see like it's it's you know,
of course there's an element of poking fun and humor
to it, but at the same time, it really is
it's more so to like showcase and and destigmatize like
what virginity is, and I think it's it's actually out there.
(35:38):
There's like proof right now that the gen Z or
whatever it is, like people are waiting longer now or
trying to find the right one, and it's like, you know,
people aren't getting wasted and going to bars and having
one night stands anymore, and it is interesting to just
see everybody's different reasoning for why and have a show
out there to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I'm happy about that too, because I feel like sex
is either not talked about or it shoved in your face,
And I'm like, where's like the gray area where we
can like have conversations and have them be productive and healthy,
because there are Like I was talking to a friend
the other day and I was like, yeah, I was
going through a whole phase, and he was like, do
(36:20):
you realize that men who go around and like they
never say like I was going through a whole phase.
They just like live their life and it's not labeled.
I'm like, that is so true because I have been
through a few whole phases in my life and then
right where you think back and you're like, oh, wow,
was really you know, like I went forward.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
I don't know how this girl has vaginismus because but
I knew. But it's like, yeah, I feel you whole face. Yeah,
you're right. No, men don't say that. They just do it.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
They just do it, and then they move on with
their lives. And then there are points in time where
I'm like, wow, I don't need I don't want it,
Like I think it's a luxury to be all up
in this bitch and I'm I was just gonna give
it to whoever, Like what are you bringing to the
table And it can't just be a big dick anymore?
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Like, no, you gotta be bringing a lot more.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah, I need way more than that. I'm like that's
another thing where I was talking about therapist about it,
because I'm like I need to be stimulated mentally so
much more now than I ever used to be, Like
I cannot just sit here and like be with a
guy i'm attracted to and be like own bang. Like
I'm just like not like that. I'm like I want
you to mentally stimulate me and then like go for
(37:38):
a nice dinner and have deep conversation and then like
get like I need to get there where we are
in oh phase that I'm not ashamed of. I would like,
let's I do loser laps around a bar and be
like you me, let's go.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
For I like, what is that?
Speaker 3 (37:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
I don't know if it.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Was insecurity or just being blained stupid. I don't know.
I just was like I loved going out to a bar.
I loved trying to find like I would like, look, Okay,
this is so embarrassing. I think I've said it before,
but maybe not, but this is so embarrassing. I used
to look up like the NHL schedule and be like, Okay,
what teams in town tonight? Do they play the next day?
Because if they don't, they're going out tonight. And I'd
(38:19):
like go on a hunt to find a hockey player.
It's so Canadian.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
That is very Canadian.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
By the way, I'm like, hockey, that's so weird now
it tracks. I do remember seeing that you're a Canadian.
But I feel like every chick has been a Jersey
chaser at some point.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Wow. I mean there's still girls like my age. You want,
you know, the wag life. It seems great.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
It seems it seemed great I think when I was young,
and now I look at it and I'm like, that
seems like a whole lot of like heartbreak and sadness
and and loneliness.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I feel holiness.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
I actually like it. It's like when manifesting goes wrong.
Like I actually ended up with the guy that played hockey,
and it was awful because he was always gone. I
had no friends I had, I couldn't work, I couldn't
do anything. I was like stuck in a city that
I couldn't even speak the language. And I was like,
why do people want to do this right?
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Because it looks so glamorous from the outside.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
It does some people are built that did he have teeth? Yes,
but he had a really like beat up nose. But
I'm like, if you have a beat up nose and
I'm like missing tooth from a puck, I'm all the
way turned on.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Wow, I'm right, I know the missing tooth.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
I get like the beat up like rugged face, like oh,
he's like gotten into it.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
But the no teeth I just can't get behind.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Like the tooth is missing from like poor dental hygiene,
Like it has to be like a puck hit you
in the face.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Fucking like, I just can't imagine if he's like, I'm
gonna go down on you now and you're like takes
his teeth out tooth.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Yeah, put it in first though.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
The moment when you I first said that you were
with a hockey player, and that was the first thing
that came into my mind.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
I was like, I really wonder if he had his
full grill.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
He did, actually, I'm which is crazy because a lot
of them don't. But yeah, you could tell his nose
has been through.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
It, been through it. When did you move to the
States from Canada?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (40:17):
When I got engaged on the show, So I was thirty.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Oh so you were still living in Canada when you
were filming.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, you know all of the hottest bitches come from
Canada and Brazil.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
And Brazil absolutely there is What was I watching? I
was watching The Perfect Match? Have you watched that?
Speaker 4 (40:32):
No?
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Is that on Netflix?
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Yes? And I've never watched it before. And I'm actually
not a really big reality TV like I love Big
Brother and that's like my guilty pleasure, but I competition shows.
I love competitions, okay, and Perfect Match. My girlfriend was like,
you should watch it. It's actually really good this season.
So I put it on and I cannot stop staring
at I'm blanking on her name not Sandy. Shoot, she
(40:59):
is like half Indian, half Italian, and I'm like, how
was she? Like who created her? Because she is perfect
and she's so sweet and cute, but yeah, look her up.
Canadian girls are so I don't know how I do it,
but I always find myself gravitating to a Canadian in
the States where I don't even know she's Canadian, and
(41:20):
then I'm like, we're fast friends. And then I'm like, duh,
you're Canadian.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
What's different about Canadian girls?
Speaker 3 (41:28):
I find that Canadians are more like give give less
fucks maybe, and like have a really good sense of humor. Okay,
like you could tell they like. My favorite is a
prairie girl, which is someone from Alberta because you just
like grew up on the Prairies and I feel like
(41:49):
you didn't have a lot to do, but just like
use your imagination as a child and everyone has like
just great personalities from.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
There, okay, And what part of Canada are you from?
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Alberta?
Speaker 2 (42:01):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
That makes me so happy that you just like tuned
that damn horn.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Girl, I tuoted the ship on that horn.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
I'm obsessed.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Have you seen the show Unreal that was on. I
believe it was either Showtime or HBO Max.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Did you find that?
Speaker 1 (42:16):
That was pretty spot on? When it came to the
Bachelor Bachelorette.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Not spot on, But I will say that the person
who created that show was an executive producer from A
Bachelor And I do think the show used to be
that dark and like like that to me is like
the most dark and twisted and toxic environment, and I
do think it used to be like that. I don't
think it's like that anymore, but there are some like
(42:42):
parallels where I'm like, Okay, it gets watching it. While
I was like, I was not in a good, good
place when I came off the show, and I remember
laying on my girlfriend's couch watching it and just like
I didn't I was not eating. I was so just
like depressed, and I remember watching it just being like,
why am I partaking in my own like abuse right now?
(43:05):
Watching this like I was just like mentally beating myself up.
It was awful. But again, I do think it used
to be much darker.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Okay, I really wanted to ask you that because that
was one of my most I loved watching and I
don't love scripted TV, but I loved Unreal.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
That was well done.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
It was very well done.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
I'm very picky when it comes to my scripted TV shows,
so I wanted to ask you that. All right, I'm
going to I'm going to do a lightning round of questions.
I did this with Tom Schwartz and he was not
lightning speed in any way, shape or form. All So
me saying that you don't have to like know exactly
what you're gonna say. All right, my favorite reality show
(43:45):
to binge right now, Big Brother, Big Brother.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
They're on season like four hundred, right.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
I know, and I've watched it since I was like fifteen.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Wow, who's who's on this season?
Speaker 3 (43:56):
They're Randoms?
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Oh there is Oh so there's big Breather. There is
like Randoms. But then they're celebrity big Brother, right, yes, okay,
I'm gonna have to check that out because I actually
love Traders and I didn't think I would.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Oh yes, same. I was actually the same way. I
didn't think I would like it, and I loved it.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah, it was so good dream celebrity to share a
bottle of Spade and Sparrow with.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Like unrealistic dream or realistic dream, Let's do both. Okay.
Unrealistic would be Britney Spears. Okay, realistic, I don't know.
Realistic somebody that's like a self made billionaire.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Ooh, I love that.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Maybe like a.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Woman you said, yeah, like maybe like a not not
a Kylie Jenner, but someone because I'm like, I feel
like they had the money and then she got to
be like someone that actually started from nothing.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
But I don't think it is as a celebrity.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Well, can I tell you who I think you would
get along with?
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Who?
Speaker 1 (44:52):
And I know her? I'm friends with her sister. We
grew up in Utah together. Her name's Whitney wolf Heard
and she was a part of Tinder and then left
and started Bumble and.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
She is a fucking bad ass. And I feel like.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
You guys would totally just hit it off and have
epic conversations while sipping Spade and Sparrow.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
That's who.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
That would be my realistic one for you. Okay, I
wonder who I would want to share one with.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Well, I was just speaking that. I was like, can
I ask.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Her, of course you can. I always am drinking in
my mind.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Same.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
I would love to catch a buzz on Spade and
Sparrow with maybe like fifty cent. I think we would
have such a fun time. Plus I love the fact
that he trolls everybody twenty four to seven and like
pays zero attention to the comments you. By the time
the comments come in, He's already trolled seventeen more people.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
And I'm obsesed.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
Yes, he is having the moment and I'm here for it.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
I'm here for it too.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
And then maybe just like an normy not normy, I
would join you and Whitney wolf Heurd.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Okay, oh yeah, you're invited because.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
I would want to like pick her brain a lot.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
Totally all right, Sorry.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
To make it about me, No, I wanted to ask
the one rom com you watch on repeat?
Speaker 3 (46:16):
I hate rom coms?
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Really?
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Can I tell you a really really cute one? Have
you seen in Her Shoes with Cameron Diaz? No, okay,
just try it out. It's with another actress who I
cannot remember her name.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
But it's actually really fucking cute. Because you think.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
It's like a rom com, but it's actually just like
a really cute. Uh, like chicks being sisters and like
that's the love story in it.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
I love Cameron Dio, so I'll check that out. Okay,
I'll say this one's so old, but I love and
I watch it every Christmas. Is Serendipity with Kate Beckinsale.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Never seen it.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Oh it's so good.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Okay, I love that and I'm going to watch it. Okay,
that's on my to do list. And then please watch
in her shoes and let me know what you think.
The next one is first thing you do if you
could be anonymous for twenty four hours?
Speaker 3 (47:10):
Oh something illegal?
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Something illegal? Fuck yeah, like.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Get drunk and being in public or something crazy and
just like have so much fun and just like get crazy.
I don't know, anonymous for twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
I'd get wasted on an airplane?
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Oh yeah, so FN Yeah that's as long as it's
not like a really long flight because I hate getting
drunk on a plane and then you like wake up
hungover and you're still on the plane.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
Yeah, or you get off and you realize that what
is that saying one in the bush is worth two
in the sky.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Yes, very true, it is true.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Which app would you delete? Forever if you had to
Instagram or TikTok.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Oh, God, probably TikTok. Probably TikTok. I still like am
kind of on the Instagra and TikTok. Will find myself
like going way too deep in holes of like why
am I still here? Like my algorithm is pretty good.
Like it actually makes me belly laugh. I'm not like
scrolling being like, eh, I'm scrolling laughing my ass off.
(48:15):
So that's a good thing, I guess because I'm like cheerful.
But I scroll too hard on that.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
On TikTok or Instagram.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
TikTok.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah, I'm not a scroller on the TikTok.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
It makes me feel like I'm not creative and I'm
not funny, and I'm not like because people are so
good on that app. I like, it's actually impressive.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
It's very impressive.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
It's for sure and art, which is harder wearing stilettos
for a red carpet or keeping a secret on reality TV.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Oh, keeping a secret. I could wear heels all day long.
I don't know what. I think. It's from being a
ballerina my whole life. My feet are just like numb
and calloused everywhere, and I find heels to be fine.
It would be hard for me to keep a secret
because I like, I like bondie with people, and I
feel like sometimes secrets bond you.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
You you said it perfectly. That is so fucking true.
I am now at this place where I'm like, if
you don't want any like it is such a secret
that you don't want anybody to know.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Ever, please don't tell me. Do me a favor. Don't
fucking tell me. I'm begging you. All right, last question,
the last thing you impulse bought online?
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Gosh, I'm I am such a consumer. I buy online
all the time.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
It's like a real addiction for me.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
I replace, Oh, really, shopping is your Yeah, what did
you just buy? I think I bought. There's so there's
like a leg in the video right now, and I
feel like it's my leg.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
No, Like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (49:53):
No? I mean like like a delay.
Speaker 5 (49:57):
Oh, a lag, like.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
When you I can see your mouth moving, but then
it takes a long time for your voice to come through.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Fun, all right, you don't have to answer.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
All right, We're gonna right, I don't know, We're gonna
wrap it up, Caitlin. I'm really happy you joined me.
I'm not sure if you can hear me though in
real time.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
You guys, I don't know where we are.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
All right, don't worry. I'm just gonna sign you off.
You guys, this was Caitlin Bristow. Make sure that you
tune in to her new show on Hulu that she's hosting,
Argue My First.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
It's about a fabulous group of virgins.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
We love that her podcast Off the Vine is on
Tuesdays and Thursdays and you can catch them wherever you
get your podcasts or on YouTube.
Speaker 5 (50:58):
Kayle, thank you.
Speaker 4 (50:59):
It's like this and then like a minute later, I
can like see what's happening.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
It's crazy, but I'm glad this happened. At the end,
You're amazing. I love you. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 5 (51:10):
You're welcome by Babe.
Hello, my loves. I'm so hyped on today. My guest
is basically Bachelor Nation Royalty.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
She's the bachelorette who kept it.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Real, the wine queen behind Spade and Sparrow, and the
voice of Off the Vine. Caitlin Bristow is here. Finally,
we've been trying to set this up for so long.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
No, I've bought you on my podcast too for so long.
I'm like, finally we're making this work.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Are you in New York?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
No, I'm well, I'm off and in New York, but
I'm in Nashville. That's where I live.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Do you like it out there Nashville? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I love it. I just I feel like it's kind
of like my Like I've made my home just my
little sanctuary where I don't really do much in Nashville.
If I travel to like LA and New York, I'm like,
you know, doing stuff. But when I'm home, I'm like
such a homebody. Yeah, and I just don't leave my house.
I just stay with my dog. So yeah, I love
it for that reason.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I'm totally with you.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I feel like I finally am rooted in La where
I have my house that I rarely leave. I've made
it my sanctuary, So I totally get that, but I
would I love Nashville. So my hope is that when
I can do your podcast, I get to come to you.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Oh please do. I would love to have you. And
it's like, I do feel like Nashville's kind of middle
ground and it's very I mean, it's growing like crazy,
but I feel like it still feels like a small
town in a big city and everyone's so friendly. And
I've been here for ten years, so I must like it.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
That's a long time.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
I know, I know it doesn't feel like I've been here.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
That long, but yeah, what's the dating scene like in Nashville?
Is it getting hard?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Not good?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Apparently, like the ratio is like there's so many good
looking women and like awesome women in this I don't
know what it is about Nashville, but there's just like
so many great girls here. And then I just feel
like all the guys are so young, and everybody has
that broccoli haircut and like the backwards hat, you know
what I'm talking about, or they like have the side
shaved and it's like on top, like really like looking
(02:03):
here mop on top of their head. I don't know,
but I feel like everyone's so young.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Oh well, I feel like a lot of people left
cities like Los Angeles and New York and they started
going to like Nashville, they started going to Austin, and
I feel like it kind of like it changed things.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
And like you said, in any city.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I feel like there's more incredible women who are like
just bringing all of it. They've got like the sexy happening,
They've got their shit together, and then these dudes where
I'm like, this is this is what's out there.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It's it's actually bizarre because I was pretty much in
a back to back relationship and two different relationships the
whole time I've been to Nashville. And then I was like,
oh my gosh, do I have to date in Nashville?
And then I was like, no, I'm not doing it.
I don't think I Actually I went on one double
date in Nashville, but it was like at a honky
(02:57):
Tonk on Broadway, which is my personal hell. And it
was like, fine, it was fun.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
You got like some free drinks and a free meal whatever.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah. Yeah, I got some like fried pickles and a beer.
It was great.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Hey, that sounds fucking awesome. It was my idea of
a five star night.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
So that are you You're not opposed to dating like
long distance.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
I'm really not, because I've so. When I was oh gosh,
I can't remember how old I was, I dated a
guy who was a hockey player, and he was always
like somewhere else, and then when he go to training camp,
it was in Germany at one point, and then I
was like, I've I've done it. And I actually love
long distance because I like missing somebody. I'm hyper independent.
(03:42):
My therapist says, it's a coping mechanism that I have
that I'm like hyperindependent. But I like being alone so much.
It's it's like it it recharges my batteries to be alone.
And I feel like I'm a better partner overall if
I have space. And I like going like say I
was dating someone in New York, Okay, to go to
New York and just see them for a week and
(04:02):
then come home for a couple of weeks, you go back.
I actually love it.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
That resonates with me. I feel the same way I think.
I think long distance sounds like a dream, and you
I like the idea of missing someone and having them
miss me, and I like the idea of being able
to like go and kind of pull my shit together,
like when I'm at home, Like, I love just covering
myself in oil. You could fry an egg on my forehead.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
It's just I'm looking at my shiny face right now.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
But yes, well, by the way you and me both,
I'm always shiny though, because I'm like, I just want
to cake myself in oil and then like if I
if I have a man who's elsewhere, like that's my
time to like put on my push up bra and
look all kinds of sexy.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Totally. I love being gross, Like, I just love being gross.
It's one of my favorite things. I just like to
rot in my bed sometimes. I like to not worry
about what I look like smell, like, just like let
myself and then when I need to turn it on,
I turn it on.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
I love that exact same thing. So you're I feel
like you're in good company. I've been watching Sex in
the City for the first time and everyone's like, oh,
you're watching and just like that, I'm like, no, I've
never seen Sex in the City like oge.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
I've only seen.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
The movie never either.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Oh my god, Caitlyn, you have to do it.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Well, I keep trying. So I'm the same way. I
had never watched Sex in the City and everyone's like,
you would love it, and then I tried to get
into it in season one. I was like, what is this?
And I feel like it's I can't get into I
can't get into it.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Okay, maybe it's I feel like timing is everything when
it comes to shows like it just it is what
it is. I have to be in the right head space.
And I did the exact same thing. But right now
you're doing a full rewatch of your season of The Bachelor.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah I did.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, Okay, I'm obsessed with all of it. That sounds
like to ask me to go do a rewatch of O. G.
Vanner pump Rules sounds like the most horrendous idea ever.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I wish somebody warned me it was horrendous. It was.
It was a nightmare to rewatch. I thought it was
gonna be so fun and so cute and be like,
oh my god, ten years later like look at little
Caitlin and blah blah, and I was like sobbing and
having anxiety during the whole.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Thing because you were like embarrassed of behavior or like
where was what was it that made you like cringe?
Speaker 3 (06:27):
No, it was more like I was actually really proud
of my behavior because I was like, that was super
true to myself. And I actually think I handled myself
better than than I would Now. I'm not sure why,
but I just I was really like, wow, I that
was pretty pretty good. Like the way I handled conversations
(06:47):
or tough times, like I was so messy, but I'm like, yeah,
that situation is messy. It was more so I think
I'm really good at compartmentalizing, and I think I put
all of that stuff that happened a drawer and pushed
it away, and I like hadn't opened that drawer in
ten years. And to go back and relive something that
was so real to me where you know, so many
(07:10):
people think it's staged or it's fake, or it's like scripted,
and it was one of the most like intense, real
things I've ever gone through in my life. And not
to mention like the production side of it, I felt
so betrayed by so many people. I was so naive
to television, Like just so much of it was reopened
when I was watching back that I it was like
I unlocked something that had been locked away forever.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Did you have to talk to your therapist about it?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Oh? Like I had to call in extra hours for
it because I was like, wow, I've never because I
thought about it, and I'm like, I've never really unpacked
what happened to me on that show or what I
went through, And all I did was when I came
out of it engaged, like when things got really bad,
we went and saw a therapist as like a couple's therapists.
But I never unpacked what I actually went through on
(07:58):
the show. So yes, there's a lot of therapy happen.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, I feel like when you're that young, because you
said it was ten years ago, So how how old
were you when you did The Bachelor?
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I just turned forty. I was thirty, so.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
You were okay, so you were thirty when you went
on even now, like I look at these girls who
because I'm from Utah and there's a lot of girls
who get engaged and start having kids around like twenty
twenty one.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Oh yeah, and so when.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I started dating seriously around twenty five, I felt like
I'm so like, I'm older, I'm mature, right, Yeah. Then
I have a baby at thirty and now I look
at girls.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Who are thirty. I'll be thirty five this year.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Girls who are thirty, and they're like, yeah, I just
feel like I need to, Like I should have a
kid by now. I'm like, wait, because although ocean is
like the best thing on the planet, I'm like, thirty
is so young. So to hear you talk about going
into such an intense environment, basically the name of the
game is to it's a it's a competition with women.
(09:04):
And I don't want to say that it's unhealthy.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
To fight for the love and affection of a man
because I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I don't want that's pretty toxic.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Okay, I'm gonna let you say.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I don't want this to ever feel like a like
a judgmental zone. But you being that age and just
being thrown into kind of like fight for a man's attention,
I can imagine that there was a lot that you
kind of pushed to the side, never to be thought again.
Like you said, you put it in a drawer and
didn't think about it.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah, it's so interesting because I was so I went
on the Bachelor, and I actually was the most confident
I think I've been in my whole life, because I
had gone through such a horrible heartbreak. I had done
so much therapy on like figuring out who I was,
and I rebuilt my life and I came out of
it just being like, this is the perfect time for
(09:56):
me to go on a show like this, because I
didn't feel competitive with other women. I actually like I
went in there and I was like, I'm going to
show my like weird sense of humor. I'm going to
say offside jokes. I'm gonna like just be truly who
I am. And if he doesn't want that, like send
me home, I don't care. And I ended up making
so many beautiful friends in the house. And it was
(10:17):
more of when I was the bachelorette and dealing with
thirty twenty five to thirty. I can remember how many
men that are way more emotional than women, and like
being the lead and having to navigate so many different
personalities and relationships and like falling in love while also
still dating other people and constantly hurting people's feelings. Like
(10:39):
that's what really messed me up in the head more
than anything.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
So, so would you say that the toxicity of being
on the Bachelor came more from the production side of things.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Where it was like.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Yeah, only because I'm like, now I look back at
it because I've seen behind the curtains so many times
where I was on the Bachelor, i was the Bachelorette,
and then I got to host two seasons of the Bachelorette,
and then now I'm hosting this new show where now
I'm like, I have a little more understanding of production
and why they do what they do. I think I
(11:14):
just wish I was like not so naive because it
is toxic and they do. I don't know how to
explain it because it's not like they're forcing you to drink,
They're not forcing you to make decisions, but like things
are encouraged. And I never had been on TV before
and I never knew, so I truly thought the producers
were like wanting what's best for me, not what's best
(11:35):
for TV. So like it's taken a lot of time
to like forgive and forget, I guess and understand and
have a little more compassion for what they did because
I'm like, I get it now.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I think that's the biggest thing is you're on a
show where you're putting your heart and soul.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
On the line.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, but it is.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
First and foremost to entertain p exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I'm I don't know why I didn't. That didn't register
to me.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Like, why does It's not normal? It's not normal.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I remember looking at It was Sean who I got
engaged to, and it was one of our last dates,
and he was looking at me like, Caitlin, you see
like what they're doing. And I was like, Sean, these
people want what's best for me. They are family, and
He's like, and I really believed that. I was like, oh,
poor naive Caitlin.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
But that's I think probably what made you so special
is that you were authentically you. And I think as
as we get older and have more experiences, we lead
with a heart that's been traumatized.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
So true. I'm so glad that I was naive because
it really did allow me to just kind of surrender
to the process of, you know, being true to each relationship,
being true to myself. I was so messy, and I
would do that again. I wouldn't change a thing. And
You're right like, now I go into see situations just
like having trust issues and being jaded, and I'm like,
(13:04):
well that's not good either.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
No, I know, it's a really fine line that we're walking.
I love what you said that you made a lot
of friendships in the process though, so you still talk
to a lot of people that were on your season.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah, it's the final three girls that were on the
Bachelor with me. It was Me, Whitney, and Beca Tilly.
We were like the final three and like you couldn't
separate us. We would like try and sneak out of
our hotel rooms to hang out with each other and
find what rooms we were in, and we all hung
out after and then like a few girls still from
that season, Ashley I was on. I don't know if
(13:42):
you're familiar with the Bachelor world at all, but actually
I was like icon in that world and I love
her so much and she is now married to a
guy that was on my season. Oh, I'm like, yeah,
it's all just like one big weird family.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
It is. But I'm totally used to that.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
It's like, let's just you know, swap it, flip it
up in the air, whatever we got to do to
find our love. Yeah, exactly, So it wasn't it wasn't weird,
like kicking it with these people, knowing that your bulls
like kind of sharing intimate experiences with the same guy,
I think.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
All the time because I'm like, why was that not weird?
And well, now Beca Tilly is engaged to a woman,
and I think, looking back, I think I really wasn't
super in love with the Bachelor, because I know how
I am when I'm in love, and I think I
was just very like I wanted to win almost and
(14:35):
then I got scared towards the end because I was like, oh, no,
he's obsessed with me, even though he dumped me, like blindsided,
and I was like, wait, what, You're not obsessed with me?
But I was like, I don't know why. The three
of us just like totally separated it. I think Beca
and I knew after after I got sent home. I
think Beca and I knew that it was Whitney and
(14:56):
I don't know, we all just were kind of there
for each other. Okay, so strange. I don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Well, there is nothing like a bond between women who
have had to deal with the same guy.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
That's true, but it's usually not in real time.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
It's not in real time. I think we all understood
the assignment. Oh, I don't know, it's I think Whitney
was the one who was truly there for Chris. I
think she was really in love with him. I think
she really wanted to marry him. And I think Beckett
and I were just like in the whirlwind of the show.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Do you guys have your phones when you're filming. No,
you don't get them until you're like completely finished.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Yeah, and it's it. I mean, when you're in the
final three, I want to say, that's like ten weeks
of filming.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
What, Yeah, just the final three?
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Yeah, Like it's if you make it to the end,
it's ten it's ten weeks, I think. And for the
person who actually like gets engaged, I think it's eleven weeks.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Don't they start with like twenty five chicks.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yes, And then so like if you got sent home
week one, then you're gone. So you only did a
week of filming, okay, because you continue to go on
the final three, you go to somewhere like exotic, and
then you have like some downtime, and then the one
person gets like the date, and then they have the overnight,
and then the bachelor gets a day off, and then
the next girl goes and then they do the rose
(16:16):
ceremony at the end of that week.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
So then.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
It's a lot of filming and it's a lot of
downtime for the contestants, but it is as being the
lead of that show, you do not. I think I
got like four hours of sleep at night, and if
I was had any downtime, it was like, we'll put
on your dress from this night and do pickups from
this and it was it was so much work.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
And then you did the first ever season of Bachelorette
with another chick.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yes, but that was so they Night one it was
between me and another girl who I actually got along
with quite well, and I think they really wanted us
to be like but we were like, we're very different people,
Like if they want her, then they're not for me,
and we were very realistic about it. But they had
to vote. The guys had to vote night one, and
(17:04):
they had to put a rose. They had to go
into like a voting room and put a rose in
somebody's box and yeah, and they ended up like I
don't know what the vote total was, but I ended
up getting it and Britt had to go home, and
I was like, I felt so bad because she's such
(17:25):
a sweetheart, and I was like, oh no, I actually
felt bad.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Well, I like having a partner in crime.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
So for me to have like a little friend who's
like just as nervous as I am and we can
talk about the experience. I think I would bond with
a chick and be like, I don't care if all
these guys go home.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I just like want to feel safe with my girlfriend.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
I totally agree. It was actually so fun because her
and I got to do press together, so we got
to like do the media rounds of like Kelly and
Michael and Good Morning America, and we got to do
all of it together to promote it because nobody knew
who had gotten to be the bachelorette at that point,
and that was actually really fun for us.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
That's really cute.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, it was cute.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
That's I mean.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
But I'm I prefer girls and gays. Like to put
me in a room full of twenty five fucking dicks,
I wouldn't even know what to do with myself.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I can't believe. I couldn't believe how much more emotional
and sensitive because they're egos. Like it was crazy because
I was like I was constantly having to like make
men feel better at all times. I was like, God,
this is and then my final too just like hated
each other. So it was like the Sean and Nick
Show of everything where I was just like, oh God,
can you guys just stop? It was so annoying. Great
(18:39):
for TV though, Great TV, Great TV.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Because you had done this already.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Like I always find anytime there is a camera that
wants to like capture me in the wild, I'm like,
I don't know how to talk to dudes when you're filming,
Like it just is very intimidating. Were you able to
get to know the dudes the way that you normally
would like when you're just out with your girlfriends, Like
(19:06):
do you feel like you're pretty copy and paste in
both situations?
Speaker 3 (19:09):
And so on Bachelorette, I found that I was almost
again I don't want to say forced, but it was
forced to have certain conversations because you're looking to be
engaged and find your husband. So it was like very
serious conversations right out of the gates. It was like
very much like are you looking for marriage? Like how
many kids? Like I wanted to talk about people's finances
(19:30):
and like political beliefs.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, those are huge themes when you're moving forward with right,
do you want to marry someone, you got to know
that shit.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
It's speed dating. It is speed dating. So in the
real world, I'm like, I am such a like my
way of flirting is to like poke fun and banter
and like not play games. But like I'm very much
just like a jokester. Where As the Bachelorette it made
me have it forced me to have more serious conversations,
(20:00):
where then after I came out of the relationship, I
was like, like on a first date, I would be
like having the serious conversations, So it just changed.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Kind of that's interesting to me. I'm kind of the
same way.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
I have a really hard time having like deep conversations
when it comes like I kind of make light of
every single topic when I am dating, and I don't
know that it's the most productive.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I'm glad that I'm not alone, and you're the same way.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
You're not alone.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I like building more of like a bond and a
friendship and seeing if I'm like it has that and
the romantic connection, where on the Bachelorette I felt just like, Okay,
these are like the men I have to choose from
and I have to pick like the best from the group,
and like it was just so fast paced and you
(20:52):
don't get a lot of time. So like when I
got engaged, I didn't know his middle name and we
were like in a house together and I was going
to do a photo shoot to say like I'm engaged,
and he was like, well, wait, what's your phone number?
And I was like, this is weird, Like you just
don't like you had so many serious conversations with maybe
(21:14):
three or four of them where you're like, Okay, I
think I know this person, but the rest like I
couldn't even I don't even know anything about them.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, well, how could you?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I have a question since doing stepping in as more
of a host, did you like because I know that
your personal life you like to as far as dating
at least, you like to keep that very private, which
is crazy when you think about the whole reason why
you are on the map was because your love life
(21:44):
was out there for people. Yeah, do you find that
you prefer more of a hosting role instead of being
like the main character of the storyline?
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Very very much? So, I love hosting that. Like when
I got to host The Bachelorette, I was doing it
with Tasha and she had covid on the final Bros. Episode,
which is three hours of live television with a teleprompter,
commercial breaks, navigating these people's feelings, and it was and
(22:16):
you have somebody in your ear like telling you to
count down and do this and make sure you get
to this person this, and I was like, I think
this is what I was born to do. I loved
every second of it. I loved reading off the teleprompter,
I loved hosting. I loved like running the show. And
I hated being the Bachelorette. I thought I would love it.
I hated it. I felt I just felt so much pressure.
(22:41):
And then for some reason, as a host, I feel
like I'm like comfortable and I feel like it's what
I'm supposed to be doing. I don't. I don't know why,
but that's that's really how I feel. Well.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
You get to still be in a place of entertaining people,
but you don't have you don't you're not.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
As exposed and left as vulnerable.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
And I think that's such a good point. I really
do enjoy, like I'm okay with being vulnerable. But I'm like, like,
if somebody asked me to go on Traders, I would
be like, hell yeah. But if somebody asked me to
go on like back as the bachelorette or bachelor in
pared or something like. I don't know. I think it's
what we were kind of saying earlier with being jaded
and leading with a jaded heart. I'm like, I want
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to keep my dating life now so private and like
sacred to me because I have exposed myself and shared
so much of relationships and it has done nothing but
invite people in for their judgment and criticism and taking
the people like always want like the man to They're
always so much like on a man's side, and I
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don't know what that is. Like in every situation I've
been in, it's like Caitlin's the crazy one and she
must be doing this and this and poor this guy,
and it's always that situation. And I'm like, I'm just
done with it for now until I'm married, and like
maybe want to show something once in a blue moon,
then I'll do that, but I'm just like, I think
I'm so jaded from sharing it. It feels so sacred
to me now.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I think that's beautiful. I think that's great. That's similar
to how I feel about parenthood. No one's ever seen
me as a mom on TV, and it's like a
blessing and a curse because it's the most proud Those
are my most proud moments.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
But also in those moments.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
You offer the outside world to now place judgment and
give their two cents, and you just you hold certain
things close to your heart.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
And I think that's totally fair.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, and have you seen the internet in twenty twenty five,
I'm like, I'm terrified.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Let me tell you something, Caitlin.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
After and I've spiraled about this for a very long time.
After season eleven a vander Pump Rules, I told my
it was so intense for me that I just wanted
to disappear. I was like, I'll go and record my podcast.
(24:54):
I don't I would get you know, like we all
get invited to red carpets for movie premiere or whatever,
and I was like, I just don't want to be
involved at all because I am so afraid of the Internet.
And that has never ever been a thought in my
mind until a couple of years ago, where I was like,
(25:15):
I just want to be a normal stay at home mom,
pay the bills on time, no one fucking talked, don't
look at me, don't talk about me, and I'm still
kind of there.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
The internet is scary.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
It is scary, and it's so funny because so many
people have told me that you and I would be
good friends and that we like speak our mind and
that we're like similar personalities. And I've never been afraid
to like say what I think and say what I
want online, and now I'm just like, it's not worth it.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I don't. I don't really care what other people have
to say. But it's more of like it's scary seeing
what they have to say, because I'm like, what is
wrong with our world? And it's like I don't even
want to see it anymore. And I'm like, I don't know.
It's I still put so much stuff out there, but
I'm like it's almost like an experiment. Sometimes I'm like,
how weird are people going to get? If I'm in
(26:03):
a bathing suit online? The amount of attacks I get,
I'm like, so then I'm like, it just depends on
what I always say. It depends on what cycle I'm
in of my period of how sassy I am online, Okay,
because if I'm in a sassy mood, I'll be like, oh,
you don't like be in a bathing suit and then
I'll get like weird and I'll dance so like I
ain't got no panties off bathing suit, you know. I
(26:25):
just I'm just And then other times I'm like crying
in a corner. You just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
You never know. Depends on the day, it really does.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
And I'm also Gemini with a lot of cancer in
my chart, and so I'm like very spicy and then
very sensitive.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
That is I so relate to that, like you're speaking
my language. I'm like, I'm Virgo sun with Scorpio rising,
so the two of those are in constant conflict with
each other.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
So I feel for you, and the Gemini alone is
intense enough.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
I feel like I'm a walking contradiction at all times
because I like, don't I don't make any sense. I'm like, yeah,
come at me, bro, And then they come at me,
and I'm like crying, and I'm like, I'm just so confusing.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
That's everybody. Everyone is a walking contradiction. That's just called life.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
I'm really excited to talk to you about.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
You've got this show that premierees on Hulu on August eighteenth.
It's called Are You by first, I have to all.
All I know is it's about a group of virgins.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Okay, so and are you already sold on the show?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I'm already sold. And I may be a born again
virgin who knows.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Oh my gosh, I'm telling you this is the this
I've walked away from that show being like, this is
gonna be the best show out there. It was so entertaining.
But it was such a combination of awkward, sweet, endearing, dramatic.
It was like cute. It was so many different things
(27:55):
all in one, and I am obsessed with this group
of people. And I remember thinking, like when they asked
me if I would be interested in hosting this show,
I was like what because I was like I always
call myself the slut of the franchise of Bachelor Nation
because I like openly talked about sex and people were
like ugh, and so I was like really me. And
then it was like with Colton Underwood, I was like,
(28:16):
did this actually makes sense?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (28:18):
And I like mentoring people. I like being there for
people on reality TV, and I like them to think
of me as not just a host. Is like, so
my question to all the producers and stuff, which they're
the producers from Love Island. It's basically Virgin Island, you know,
it's like the same kind of concept, okay, And I
remember being like, Okay, but can I actually like have
(28:40):
real conversations with the cast of the show. Can I
be there for them if they need conversations like and
they were like yes. I was like, Okay, then I'm
in because I liked being able to do that on
The Bachelorette as well. And it was just so I mean,
everybody comes from such a different walk of life. You've
got people people are virgins for all different reasons. And
(29:03):
you know, sex is such a taboo topic. Whether you
have it, that's you know, ah you don't. Everyone's like,
oh my god, it's says such a judgmental thing. And
having these men and women on the show be so
open about it and there are reasons for it, you know.
It goes anywhere from religion to like one girl has vaginismus,
(29:26):
which like, do you know what that is? No? Tell me,
I actually I actually have it too, And I was like,
I'd never heard of anyone else having it. It's basically like,
so if I go into a doctor like to get
a physical, like they have to use the like mini
one on me. And it's not because like, oh, I
have a type vagina. It's because I actually, like my
muscles will seize up anytime something even goes near it,
(29:50):
and think, like sex is painful for me at the beginning,
going to get a physical is painful for me. And
I had never heard anyone else have it. And one
of the reasons this girl on here is a virgin
and is because she has that, and I'm like, well,
I'm definitely not a virgin and I still have that,
but it's it's actually like more common. My doctor wants
me to go to physical therapy to like, was.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
It like a hip a hip issue?
Speaker 1 (30:12):
It's the actual vagina is closing up, yes, And to be.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Honest with you, like it's it can be like from
a traumatic event. Like for me personally, it's because when
I was I don't know, sixteen years old, my boyfriend
was trying to force me to do things and I
think it like traumatized me, and so I seize up
anytime like something goes near there. Yeah, and so I don't.
You'll probably find out through the episodes like why why
(30:40):
she has it? And there's just so many different reasons,
like somebody's a Mormon, she has vaginismus, somebody's really just
waiting for the right one. Other people are just like
the one girl is scared of penises. She's like they're
scary looking. I'm like, I totally agree. And it's just
everybody's so vulnerable and like sweet, and it's just a
it's a very entertaining show.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
And what would you say the age range.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Is, it's anywhere from I think the youngest is like
twenty three or twenty four thirty.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Oh okay, so they're young, yeah, and they're young enough
to be sexually active, but right, yes, but still still young,
and you know they've got there. I mean, I have
low testosterone right now, so I'm like, I like, do
you really I.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Just got on a testosterone cream. I'm like, is this forty?
Like I'm like it was like I turned forty and
I had to go on testosterone cream. I'm like growing
a full beard. It's like it's a whole thing.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I It's like, it's just it is what it is, right,
every single woman's gonna go through it. My mother, who's
sixty five, has higher testosterone than I do right now.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
So I'm like what the fuck is this?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
And I want to blame it on postpartum, but I
mean we're rounding into a year, bro, I'm like this,
you can't still be this right.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
I'm always looking to blame something. And my mom's like,
maybe blame Perry menopause, and I was like, I hate it.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I don't say that word like that alone.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Just like I don't feel forty. I feel so young.
I feel like the best I've ever felt, So do
like my body you'd be going through this stuff, I'm like, what.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
No, But it's all about your mind. The mind is
what caused the shots.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
So if you feel like you're, you know, twenty seven,
still you fucking get it, bitch.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I do I feel like twenty nine thirty?
Speaker 2 (32:30):
That's hey, ten years off. That's perfect.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
My other question is do they get laid on the show?
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I could say that one couple definitely entered the love shack,
which is where you're supposed to go if that's what
you would like to do. But it was very important
to not only the cast, but Colton and I and
all the producers to not force anyone or you know.
That was like a big conversation we had before even filming, Like,
nobody is to feel forced, nobody is to feel like
(33:02):
we're pushing something on them. Like it's very much building
relationships and finding love, and we like obviously hope they
found somebody. But it's one of those things that I
have to say, like tune in, why I.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Know, No, I love the tune in and find out
because I will be tuning in to find out the
thing that I love you. Saying that no one was forced.
Is your first your first not sexual experience, but your
first sexual experience. That kind of sets the tone for
how you view sex for the rest of your life.
(33:36):
And I lost my virginity at seventeen to my high
school sweetheart and we were together for a long time.
It was nothing but pleasant. And then I had a
friend who lost her virginity. I want to say she
was probably twenty two or twenty three. She'd waited a
long time. She lost her virginity to a very very
a list celebrity, and it completely fucked up.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Her view of self.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Yeah, oh oh gosh. Was it like somebody freaky and
kinky that has like been there, done.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
That, Yes, And I like no commitment obviously, And so
when one.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Party has held out to like sleep with.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
Someone that they are into, and then the other person
is like, I'm just here for a good time and I.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Do this nightly with multiple chicks. It can fuck with you.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Oh, that totally would.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
It would.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
So I'm like really happy that the whole point of
the show is like creating a place to feel safe
where you're.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
You know, showing it all and it's intimidating.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
It is intimidating, and I think they were very like
nervous and intimidated. And you know, on shows, like any
kind of dating show, you're really pushing your boundaries and
getting uncomfortable, and to do that in front of cameras
and so they're just they were so they were so
willing to just explore and be open about everything, and
(35:04):
it was I loved every single one of them. I
just I just walked away from it being like they
got the best. Those are those the best group virgins
you could possibly get for television.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
Oh my god, this is the best group of virgins.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
I was like, we need a season two because you
can you'll be able to see like it's it's you know,
of course there's an element of poking fun and humor
to it, but at the same time, it really is
it's more so to like showcase and and destigmatize like
what virginity is, and I think it's it's actually out there.
(35:38):
There's like proof right now that the gen Z or
whatever it is, like people are waiting longer now or
trying to find the right one, and it's like, you know,
people aren't getting wasted and going to bars and having
one night stands anymore, and it is interesting to just
see everybody's different reasoning for why and have a show
out there to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I'm happy about that too, because I feel like sex
is either not talked about or it shoved in your face,
And I'm like, where's like the gray area where we
can like have conversations and have them be productive and healthy,
because there are Like I was talking to a friend
the other day and I was like, yeah, I was
going through a whole phase, and he was like, do
(36:20):
you realize that men who go around and like they
never say like I was going through a whole phase.
They just like live their life and it's not labeled.
I'm like, that is so true because I have been
through a few whole phases in my life and then
right where you think back and you're like, oh, wow,
was really you know, like I went forward.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
I don't know how this girl has vaginismus because but
I knew. But it's like, yeah, I feel you whole face. Yeah,
you're right. No, men don't say that. They just do it.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
They just do it, and then they move on with
their lives. And then there are points in time where
I'm like, wow, I don't need I don't want it,
Like I think it's a luxury to be all up
in this bitch and I'm I was just gonna give
it to whoever, Like what are you bringing to the
table And it can't just be a big dick anymore?
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Like, no, you gotta be bringing a lot more.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah, I need way more than that. I'm like that's
another thing where I was talking about therapist about it,
because I'm like I need to be stimulated mentally so
much more now than I ever used to be, Like
I cannot just sit here and like be with a
guy i'm attracted to and be like own bang. Like
I'm just like not like that. I'm like I want
you to mentally stimulate me and then like go for
(37:38):
a nice dinner and have deep conversation and then like
get like I need to get there where we are
in oh phase that I'm not ashamed of. I would like,
let's I do loser laps around a bar and be
like you me, let's go.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
For I like, what is that?
Speaker 3 (37:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
I don't know if it.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Was insecurity or just being blained stupid. I don't know.
I just was like I loved going out to a bar.
I loved trying to find like I would like, look, Okay,
this is so embarrassing. I think I've said it before,
but maybe not, but this is so embarrassing. I used
to look up like the NHL schedule and be like, Okay,
what teams in town tonight? Do they play the next day?
Because if they don't, they're going out tonight. And I'd
(38:19):
like go on a hunt to find a hockey player.
It's so Canadian.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
That is very Canadian.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
By the way, I'm like, hockey, that's so weird now
it tracks. I do remember seeing that you're a Canadian.
But I feel like every chick has been a Jersey
chaser at some point.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Wow. I mean there's still girls like my age. You want,
you know, the wag life. It seems great.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
It seems it seemed great I think when I was young,
and now I look at it and I'm like, that
seems like a whole lot of like heartbreak and sadness
and and loneliness.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I feel holiness.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
I actually like it. It's like when manifesting goes wrong.
Like I actually ended up with the guy that played hockey,
and it was awful because he was always gone. I
had no friends I had, I couldn't work, I couldn't
do anything. I was like stuck in a city that
I couldn't even speak the language. And I was like,
why do people want to do this right?
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Because it looks so glamorous from the outside.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
It does some people are built that did he have teeth? Yes,
but he had a really like beat up nose. But
I'm like, if you have a beat up nose and
I'm like missing tooth from a puck, I'm all the
way turned on.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Wow, I'm right, I know the missing tooth.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
I get like the beat up like rugged face, like oh,
he's like gotten into it.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
But the no teeth I just can't get behind.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Like the tooth is missing from like poor dental hygiene,
Like it has to be like a puck hit you
in the face.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Fucking like, I just can't imagine if he's like, I'm
gonna go down on you now and you're like takes
his teeth out tooth.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Yeah, put it in first though.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
The moment when you I first said that you were
with a hockey player, and that was the first thing
that came into my mind.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
I was like, I really wonder if he had his
full grill.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
He did, actually, I'm which is crazy because a lot
of them don't. But yeah, you could tell his nose
has been through.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
It, been through it. When did you move to the
States from Canada?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (40:17):
When I got engaged on the show, So I was thirty.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Oh so you were still living in Canada when you
were filming.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, you know all of the hottest bitches come from
Canada and Brazil.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
And Brazil absolutely there is What was I watching? I
was watching The Perfect Match? Have you watched that?
Speaker 4 (40:32):
No?
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Is that on Netflix?
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Yes? And I've never watched it before. And I'm actually
not a really big reality TV like I love Big
Brother and that's like my guilty pleasure, but I competition shows.
I love competitions, okay, and Perfect Match. My girlfriend was like,
you should watch it. It's actually really good this season.
So I put it on and I cannot stop staring
at I'm blanking on her name not Sandy. Shoot, she
(40:59):
is like half Indian, half Italian, and I'm like, how
was she? Like who created her? Because she is perfect
and she's so sweet and cute, but yeah, look her up.
Canadian girls are so I don't know how I do it,
but I always find myself gravitating to a Canadian in
the States where I don't even know she's Canadian, and
(41:20):
then I'm like, we're fast friends. And then I'm like, duh,
you're Canadian.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
What's different about Canadian girls?
Speaker 3 (41:28):
I find that Canadians are more like give give less
fucks maybe, and like have a really good sense of humor. Okay,
like you could tell they like. My favorite is a
prairie girl, which is someone from Alberta because you just
like grew up on the Prairies and I feel like
(41:49):
you didn't have a lot to do, but just like
use your imagination as a child and everyone has like
just great personalities from.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
There, okay, And what part of Canada are you from?
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Alberta?
Speaker 2 (42:01):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
That makes me so happy that you just like tuned
that damn horn.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Girl, I tuoted the ship on that horn.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
I'm obsessed.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Have you seen the show Unreal that was on. I
believe it was either Showtime or HBO Max.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Did you find that?
Speaker 1 (42:16):
That was pretty spot on? When it came to the
Bachelor Bachelorette.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Not spot on, But I will say that the person
who created that show was an executive producer from A
Bachelor And I do think the show used to be
that dark and like like that to me is like
the most dark and twisted and toxic environment, and I
do think it used to be like that. I don't
think it's like that anymore, but there are some like
(42:42):
parallels where I'm like, Okay, it gets watching it. While
I was like, I was not in a good, good
place when I came off the show, and I remember
laying on my girlfriend's couch watching it and just like
I didn't I was not eating. I was so just
like depressed, and I remember watching it just being like,
why am I partaking in my own like abuse right now?
(43:05):
Watching this like I was just like mentally beating myself up.
It was awful. But again, I do think it used
to be much darker.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Okay, I really wanted to ask you that because that
was one of my most I loved watching and I
don't love scripted TV, but I loved Unreal.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
That was well done.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
It was very well done.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
I'm very picky when it comes to my scripted TV shows,
so I wanted to ask you that. All right, I'm
going to I'm going to do a lightning round of questions.
I did this with Tom Schwartz and he was not
lightning speed in any way, shape or form. All So
me saying that you don't have to like know exactly
what you're gonna say. All right, my favorite reality show
(43:45):
to binge right now, Big Brother, Big Brother.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
They're on season like four hundred, right.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
I know, and I've watched it since I was like fifteen.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Wow, who's who's on this season?
Speaker 3 (43:56):
They're Randoms?
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Oh there is Oh so there's big Breather. There is
like Randoms. But then they're celebrity big Brother, right, yes, okay,
I'm gonna have to check that out because I actually
love Traders and I didn't think I would.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Oh yes, same. I was actually the same way. I
didn't think I would like it, and I loved it.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah, it was so good dream celebrity to share a
bottle of Spade and Sparrow with.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Like unrealistic dream or realistic dream, Let's do both. Okay.
Unrealistic would be Britney Spears. Okay, realistic, I don't know.
Realistic somebody that's like a self made billionaire.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Ooh, I love that.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Maybe like a.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Woman you said, yeah, like maybe like a not not
a Kylie Jenner, but someone because I'm like, I feel
like they had the money and then she got to
be like someone that actually started from nothing.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
But I don't think it is as a celebrity.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Well, can I tell you who I think you would
get along with?
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Who?
Speaker 1 (44:52):
And I know her? I'm friends with her sister. We
grew up in Utah together. Her name's Whitney wolf Heard
and she was a part of Tinder and then left
and started Bumble and.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
She is a fucking bad ass. And I feel like.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
You guys would totally just hit it off and have
epic conversations while sipping Spade and Sparrow.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
That's who.
Speaker 1 (45:17):
That would be my realistic one for you. Okay, I
wonder who I would want to share one with.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Well, I was just speaking that. I was like, can
I ask.
Speaker 2 (45:25):
Her, of course you can. I always am drinking in
my mind.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Same.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
I would love to catch a buzz on Spade and
Sparrow with maybe like fifty cent. I think we would
have such a fun time. Plus I love the fact
that he trolls everybody twenty four to seven and like
pays zero attention to the comments you. By the time
the comments come in, He's already trolled seventeen more people.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
And I'm obsesed.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
Yes, he is having the moment and I'm here for it.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
I'm here for it too.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
And then maybe just like an normy not normy, I
would join you and Whitney wolf Heurd.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Okay, oh yeah, you're invited because.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
I would want to like pick her brain a lot.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
Totally all right, Sorry.
Speaker 1 (46:10):
To make it about me, No, I wanted to ask
the one rom com you watch on repeat?
Speaker 3 (46:16):
I hate rom coms?
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Really?
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Can I tell you a really really cute one? Have
you seen in Her Shoes with Cameron Diaz? No, okay,
just try it out. It's with another actress who I
cannot remember her name.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
But it's actually really fucking cute. Because you think.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
It's like a rom com, but it's actually just like
a really cute. Uh, like chicks being sisters and like
that's the love story in it.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
I love Cameron Dio, so I'll check that out. Okay,
I'll say this one's so old, but I love and
I watch it every Christmas. Is Serendipity with Kate Beckinsale.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Never seen it.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Oh it's so good.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
Okay, I love that and I'm going to watch it. Okay,
that's on my to do list. And then please watch
in her shoes and let me know what you think.
The next one is first thing you do if you
could be anonymous for twenty four hours?
Speaker 3 (47:10):
Oh something illegal?
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Something illegal? Fuck yeah, like.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Get drunk and being in public or something crazy and
just like have so much fun and just like get crazy.
I don't know, anonymous for twenty four hours.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
I'd get wasted on an airplane?
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Oh yeah, so FN Yeah that's as long as it's
not like a really long flight because I hate getting
drunk on a plane and then you like wake up
hungover and you're still on the plane.
Speaker 1 (47:37):
Yeah, or you get off and you realize that what
is that saying one in the bush is worth two
in the sky.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Yes, very true, it is true.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Which app would you delete? Forever if you had to
Instagram or TikTok.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Oh, God, probably TikTok. Probably TikTok. I still like am
kind of on the Instagra and TikTok. Will find myself
like going way too deep in holes of like why
am I still here? Like my algorithm is pretty good.
Like it actually makes me belly laugh. I'm not like
scrolling being like, eh, I'm scrolling laughing my ass off.
(48:15):
So that's a good thing, I guess because I'm like cheerful.
But I scroll too hard on that.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
On TikTok or Instagram.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
TikTok.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah, I'm not a scroller on the TikTok.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
It makes me feel like I'm not creative and I'm
not funny, and I'm not like because people are so
good on that app. I like, it's actually impressive.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
It's very impressive.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
It's for sure and art, which is harder wearing stilettos
for a red carpet or keeping a secret on reality TV.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Oh, keeping a secret. I could wear heels all day long.
I don't know what. I think. It's from being a
ballerina my whole life. My feet are just like numb
and calloused everywhere, and I find heels to be fine.
It would be hard for me to keep a secret
because I like, I like bondie with people, and I
feel like sometimes secrets bond you.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
You you said it perfectly. That is so fucking true.
I am now at this place where I'm like, if
you don't want any like it is such a secret
that you don't want anybody to know.
Speaker 2 (49:13):
Ever, please don't tell me. Do me a favor. Don't
fucking tell me. I'm begging you. All right, last question,
the last thing you impulse bought online?
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Gosh, I'm I am such a consumer. I buy online
all the time.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
It's like a real addiction for me.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
I replace, Oh, really, shopping is your Yeah, what did
you just buy? I think I bought. There's so there's
like a leg in the video right now, and I
feel like it's my leg.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
No, Like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (49:53):
No? I mean like like a delay.
Speaker 5 (49:57):
Oh, a lag, like.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
When you I can see your mouth moving, but then
it takes a long time for your voice to come through.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Fun, all right, you don't have to answer.
Speaker 1 (50:15):
All right, We're gonna right, I don't know, We're gonna
wrap it up, Caitlin. I'm really happy you joined me.
I'm not sure if you can hear me though in
real time.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
You guys, I don't know where we are.
Speaker 1 (50:36):
All right, don't worry. I'm just gonna sign you off.
You guys, this was Caitlin Bristow. Make sure that you
tune in to her new show on Hulu that she's hosting,
Argue My First.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
It's about a fabulous group of virgins.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
We love that her podcast Off the Vine is on
Tuesdays and Thursdays and you can catch them wherever you
get your podcasts or on YouTube.
Speaker 5 (50:58):
Kayle, thank you.
Speaker 4 (50:59):
It's like this and then like a minute later, I
can like see what's happening.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
It's crazy, but I'm glad this happened. At the end,
You're amazing. I love you. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 5 (51:10):
You're welcome by Babe.
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