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Welcome Back From The Weekend!!! We Talk About The Best And Worst Parts, Don't Use Castor Oil, Broken Leg After Coughing, Drug Debts Can Cost Ya, Who Showers Outside, We Spoke To An Awesome Listener, Jeff Hensley Stops By, Bucees, What Do You Do When You Find Bones In Your Yard?!?!?!?

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and they may charge you for it, and they I may charge you for
it. Social media hacks or likeTikTok hacks, I think are quite silly.
Very rarely do they work out.Whether it's a feta pasta that you
see people doing, or they maytaste fine, but very rarely does it

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work out. And one of themis surfacing that I don't think people are
aware of how bad it is,and that is if you are constipated to
take castor oil. Okay, okay, I had heard castor oil. If
you were trying to go into labor, if you're say you're almost you're forty

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weeks and you're ready, and thatbaby just won't come out. Castor oil
is supposed to be the thing todo it, like lub it up and
slide out. I'm guessing you okay, drink it right? Yeah? What?
And as someone who's given birth,where do you land on that theory?
I would never I asked the doctortoo. I'm like, I've heard
no, don't do that? Yeah, old wife, And why would you

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think don't do that? Disgusting?Bad for you, bad for the baby?
Yeah, no, it comes outof a different hole to be honest
in my non having baby opinions.Uh yeah, And if you remember stand
by me and the he drink heatsthe pie, but he drinks the cast
oil right before. And here's thething about cast oil. People don't understand

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it will work. It will work. You will go to the bathroom in
a way that you will beg forforgiveness. Your self awareness factor will go
to eleven. But castora has anability to make you go to the bathroom
and push the food through even ifit's digested or not. Okay, that

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doesn't sound like a good idea,No, No, it sure doesn't.
Why not just use plain accidents?Then chocolate flavored ones and why not just
run the course? But you've gotto go. You gotta go. You
know how it is to be backedup? Yeah, I do. And
that feels like extreme measures for sure. Take liquid magnesium. I don't think

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that's a good time, but thatworks pretty good, right without passing food
that is not digested, right,because your good body kind of needs that
stuff, needs to digest the food. There's a guy on TikTok. I'm
not going to get his page right, but I think it's called does it
truro okay, and he's using thatas a reference to go into the bathroom

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and he he will do different concoctionsthat are online to see if it works.
Okay, crazy ones, ones you'regoing no, that'll totally work,
and some that it won't. Oneof them was like lemon peel, ginger

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and something else blended together and thenyou drink it and then it's supposed to
make you. In his words,chatto, it did not spoiler. I
you know, I hate to ruinthe the surprise for you, but this
is the guy who has a TikTokpage that all he does is sea your

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foods will make him s his brainsout. Oh god, shoot, for
every foot right, because you knowthat guy's got followers, that people are
just him handle his business. Golly, no, thank you. I'm not
even gonna look for it. Ifeel like I should give him credit where

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credit is due. Huh. Butyeah, I don't think it's will churro
because when you look that up,a lot of churros come up, which
are delicious and mean, sugary,delicious treats. Yeah, if you think
your churl games strong, you haveto go to the Mexican bakery, right
because they they they shockingly they knowchurros. Why with the cherries in the

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middle, Oh my god, orthe Bavarian cream or whatever that is.
You think churls are just cinnamon sugar. No no, no, no,
no, no no no. Butthe way that you explained his page makes
me not want a churro ever again. Yeah, different churl right. Uh.
This is an interesting text about thecast royal castor oil can make the

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baby go inside the womb, whichit can then ingest no, no,
no, we're not no, itwill make it go inside the root womb,
implying that the baby will defecate insidethe or and therefore what it could
ingest its own Oh yeah, that'sso they're advising against that reason. Yeah.

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Yeah, this isn't a procast oroil. Yeah. I just never
really thought about that, but Iguess it makes sense. Oh okay,
and this other text says pickle juicecleans them out, which not me,
but whatever, everybody's different. Uhsure, I think pickle juice will taste

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a lot better than castor oil,but that's just my definitely choro, I'm
just saying it wrong. It's thekey, not the delicious cinnamon treat,
not the truro. It is anoh not a U, and that is
an important Yeah. He's got nearlya million followers, wow, of people

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watching him do different concoctions, andhe doesn't like he just gives reports,
thank goodness. Yeah, so justgoogling the word chorro. Never heard of
it before. Here's some nice translatedwords for it. Stream blast jet all

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right, not bad, which kindof fits for what this guy does.
Yeah, and honestly it's helpful.I mean, how many people do suffer
from constipation and they want something more, you know, natural, or they
don't want to have natural or whatdoes that mean? Concoction to help them?
You mean like fiber, right,like vegetables. But a lot of

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people, you know, they're they'repicky about what they eat, so not
natural. Then maybe stop jamming yourmouthful of Kraft macaroni or so good I
don't know. Just have a certainbear beverage you will, it'll work out,
right. There are other ways togo around it, besides having to

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drink the cast or oil. Yeah. One time somebody was like, oh,
you gotta try squash soup. It'sso good, and I was like,
okay, sure, I like agood soup and made squash soup right.
Oh holy Choro's I will never eatit again. Ever, it was

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insane how well it worked. ReallyI didn't. I'm starting to question whether
that person was giving me culinary adviceor trying to play a joke on me,
combination of the two. Maybe itwas insane. It's how bad it
was. Are gonna tell them whatit does to them? But it's so
good and it wasn't me. Itwas one of those things that later with
the wife, I was like,hey, you know we had the soup.

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She's like yeah, and I waslike, oh boys, She's like
I know. Like we didn't evenshare that until much later. We were
like still in PTSD about it.Yeah, right, but squash soup for
me was the biggest surprise. Keepthat in mind. Yeah, don't eat
the squash soup. And then there'syou know, steak of course, broccoli

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celery habitage. Every time art tochoke carts huh those do it for you.
They're pretty fibrous. Yeah, yes, that's faird I guess the only
I feel like the only time I'meating art to choke carts is when it's

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in a dip, so probably balancingit with exactly exactly. Yeah. The
Hideaway has a pizza called Pizza theGods and it has art chill carts on.
It's phenomenal. I bet a vegetarianpizza, so some of you pussies
won't be able to handle it.Oh, give me the meat, fine,

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the five KMOD. Thirty five yearold man breaks hardest bone in human body
while coughing. Doctors at the SecondPeople's Hospital of Fujin Province in China recently
reported the shocking case of a thirtyfive year old man referred to only as
mister Yee, who suffered a fracturedfemur during a coughing fit. According to

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Dong Zong, director of the Departmentof Orthopedics at the hospital, the unusual
incident occurred during a coughing fit whichis unusual considering that men in Yee's age
range typically suffer femur fractures as aresult of serious trauma like car accidents or
falls from a considerable height. Butmister Yee told doctors that he felt a

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sharp pain immediately after a particularly strongcough, but he simply brushed it off
as a cramp and it was onlyafter walking became difficult because of the pain
that he decided to seek medical health. And that's when an X ray showed
that mister Gyee suffered a femur fracture, But his story about the cough didn't

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make any sense. There was nosign of any physical trauma, so Zongs
and his team decided to investigate further, asking the patient about his general health,
his eating habits, his lifestyle.They conducted a bone density test,
which found out that his bone densitywas similar to that of an eighty year

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old man. Why would he havesuch horrible bone density, Well, he
suffers from bone or he didn't sufferfrom any bone illnesses. They found that
it was his poor eating and drinkinghabits. He drank instead of water or
milk or anything like that, itwas coke, a lack of exercise sugary

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sodas twenty four to seven. Hetold doctors he replaced water with sweet carbonated
drinks, which prevented his body fromabsorbing kelcium properly, and it affected his
bone density. Hey, fatty,exactly, so bad bones? And can
I magine just coughing and breaking afemur? That would suck? Yeah?

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Yeah, I mean, have youseen how many coffins? Right, get
it all out. We got tomake sure everybody knows that we're confidence needsy
man. I mean the soda thing, I'm not buying one hundred percent.

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Like, how much was he drinking? Right? Was he drinking one of
those who was the dog from Quicktrip type of cups every four hours?
Right? Right? But there's novitamins or any nutrients. There's water,
there is, But yeah, thereis, You're absolutely right, there is.
But when there's more sugar than water, I don't think that really helps

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any you know what I'm saying.I don't. I'm not advocating it's good
for you, but I am sayingthere is water. I wonder, like
what else it was? It wasn'tjust the soda that gave him his brittle
bones. No, you know,there's other mineral genetic deficiency somewhere that he's
not getting. I would I wouldthink he's not taking a centrum or one

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of day's or whatever. He's nothaving some gogurt, right right. Guy
steals liquor truck to pay off drugdebt. This comes out of Indiana.
We're a thirty nine year old guynamed bo Boba Schelle. He's sitting outside
of the Cheers, which is abar there in Indiana, and I guess
he's just going through some things inlife. And he's sitting outside this bar

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in his car and he sees thisdelivery truck pull up and it's got you
know, it's got all the liquorin it's for the day's delivery. And
he comes up with this great idea, Hey, I'm gonna steal the truck
and then I'm gonna offload all thebeer and liquor in there. I'm gonna
sell it and I could pay offSpider. Right. So he does.
He gets in the truck, hesteals the truck. He parks the truck

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behind another club, the Shriners Club. I don't know if that's where everybody
wears, you know, fez,or if that's just the name of the
club. But nonetheless, it's downthe road from a trailer park that I'm
assuming Bow lives in. So anyway, so he parks the liquor truck back
here in that field, and thenthe police are driving by and they see

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this truck in the middle of thefield, so they go to go to
investigate what's going on. And whenthey do that, they spotted Bow running
into the woods. So they goin there looking for him. They find
him hiding under a bush and theyquestioned the man, and that's when he
admitted to stealing the liquor truck.He said he was going to unload everything
and then you know, sell itto pay off his drug debts. And

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that same field they also found askid steer that was reported stolen earlier that
day, and Bow admitted to stealingthat one as well and ripping the GPS
out of it. Alsas Bo's lookingat several felony theft charges. Now this
looks like a place we would goeat. Cheers are the Shriner Club.

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I mean, it's just called Cheers. Oh, I mean, it's just
the name they use. Yeah,yeah, yeah, But the number of
Cheers bars in Indiana, it tookme a hot minute to narrow it down.
By the way, cheers was aBoston thing. Yeah, it's right.
Well, we got one here intown ourselves. Sure. Yeah,
there's one at the airport. Ithink they have a statue of Norms sitting

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on the on the end. Ohman, they did, maybe I don't.
Yeah, they also do karaoke.We're in right, Sign me up.
I'm not driving to any though.Outdoor shower mirror suspected of sparking house
fire. This happened in Massachusetts overthe week, and officials believe the sun's

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rays were magnified over the mirror andonto the side of the home. No
one was home when the fire brokeout Saturday afternoon, and no fire personnel
were injured. The fire caused aroundone hundred thousand dollars in damage, mostly
in the kitchen and attic areas.The fire has been ruled an accident.
So I went down a rabbit hole. This is common where people that have
outdoor showers, huh, in thesame town. It happened eight years ago.

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We just need to ban outdoor showersnow, or at least not have
a mirror. Why do you needa mirror? Right? Well, in
case you got a shave. Yeah, you know in your outdoor shower.
No, usually an outdoor shower becausethis is near the beach is too yes,
yeah, you know. Maybe maybethey like to go outside and feel

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free. You don't go to thebeach and then wash off the sand and
go. I better get rid ofthis five o'clock shadow, right. I
don't even shave in my own shower. No, No, I do it
at the scenk because I don't wantthe things falling off into my belly button
and everything else. Those shower mirrorsnever worked out anyway. They always get

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fogged up. You can't say anything, agreed, it ain't worth it.
I don't need your hack. Idon't need to put shaven cream on it.
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five km o D. Good morning, It's the Big Mad Morning Show.

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Nine one eight four six o km o D. Well Friday night.
It happened, and uh, Ifeel like they're not going to reschedule it.
That is the Mike Tyson Paul fight. He they said it's off due

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to his inability to train. Idon't feel like they feel like they're being
forthcoming, right, because either hedoesn't have an ulcer or there's something else
on top of the ulcer. Right, because your inability, you're also so

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bad you can't train well. Hesaid. He got on X Tyson himself
and he said that he's now feelingone hundred percent. Even though I don't
need to be. He has tosat Jake Paul. He has to say
that, right, okay, Right, he's in a he's trying to create
excitement for if there would be afight. He's not gonna be like,

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yeah, guys, I'm sorry,that's not his imo. I'm good man.
They're making me cancel. Right,But if they were just doing this
for a paycheck anyway, wouldn't hewant to, I mean fight, It
wouldn't be his vote vote, right, he can think he's fine. This
is the problem with fighters. Somefighters is that they don't know when to

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stop, right, And if hehas a medical problem that makes him a
threat to himself, they're not gonnalet him fight. And so probably what
happened is he had this medical emergency. The Texas Athletic Commission got involved,
was like, what's happening, andthey're like no, no, no,
no, They're like, well,if you can't be forthcoming, we're just

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going to cancel the fight. Tummyhurts, right, right, and listen,
ulcers can be quite devastating. Yeah, so I agree tummy hurt.
But they grounded a plant like theyhad an emergency personnel on the plane.
That's not your tummy hurt. Yeah. I can imagine getting punched in an
ulcer wouldn't exactly feel the greatest,you know, So maybe it is just

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ulcers. Who knows is an ulcersomething that can rupture? Sure, it
gets hit, Yeah, an ulcer'sa hole in your stomach, right,
that doesn't go away overnight, doesn'tgo with pill, right, It takes
time and he ain't getting younger.So when they're like, well, we'll
postponed for a later date, no, And it isn't like the Paul brothers

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are going We're just gonna push itto this date, right, They're saying
it's off, which that's been speculatedin this beginning that I was never gonna
happen. I definitely have said it. Yeah, it's crazy to think that
fight was gonna happen, but Igot people talking, oh show, but
for what purpose, right, becausewe want to see a fight. We'll

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see Tyson fighting years man, right, And it seems like Netflix wants to
get in on airing matches because they'resaying now that no replacement has been named
for the July twentieth fight so far. So it looks like a fight will
be happening on July twentieth, itjust won't be with Mike Tyson. I
don't think they're gonna find a fightbecause there is another car. There's a

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whole other car. I mean,that wasn't the only fight on the car
hard, so there are other fighters. So obviously they want to try and
move forward, but nobody else wantsto see any of the other fighters,
unless die hard boxing enthusiasts. Sothey may go forward with a card,
But whether it's going to be Jakeand Logan fighting each other, I doubt

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it. Yeah, they'll still lose. They're still going to lose some viewership,
at least Netflix would. Yeah,it does not happen even if he
fights Chaos, which he's not.But that was a rumored fight that he
was going to take. Who cares, it's not even close, and the

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fact that they would have to findsomebody not even close. They'd have to
be still a pretty big name thatpeople get excited about. Who's ready?
What's George Foreman doing? Right?Dead? Is George Foreman dead? I
think George. I feel like hedied. I feel like we haven't seen

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him in a while. No,he's seventy five, he's he's he's still
alive. You won't want to puthim wander Pool. It's only fifteen years
older than Tyson, right, Yeah? Yeah, God in there fighting a
seventy five year old man. Yeah, I don't. I don't see this

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fight getting rescheduled at all. There'sno way because he's not getting younger,
he's not getting healthier. Ulcerre's usuallyyou think he was diseating garbage, right,
he could take off Sugar Ray,Sugar Ray Leonard, not Sugar Ray
Mark McGrath, right, that woulddo well. Yeah, I mean he's

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it's a Sugar Ray sixty eight.I'm just trying to find somebody that's not
a Gray five. No, no, Sugar Ray Leonard. Got it?
Now? Put the other guy inthere that that retired recently. He's short,
but he fought Sugar Race short.Yeah, but he fought not mcg
mm a fighter and one Manny pacyowNo the other Oh boy, what is

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his name? Oh? He killedhe he fought our Australian fighter, our
Australian fighter. Who is the Australianguy who's our Australian roadhouse? You mean
Irish? Irish? I'm sorry,you mean Connor McGregor. Name is McGregor?

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He Australian. Who's the boxer thatfought Connor McGregor. I was like,
Australian, our Austrian. I waslike, are what Australian boxer?
Do I even know what Australian boxerwould we take claim to? I get

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it though, Australia Ireland? Yeah, it world right. You're thinking of
Floyd mayweb Yes, Floyd Maywebb longwait class, it would be dramatic,
size difference, dramatic. Yeah,so that fight off. Let's see what
Lindsay has for Balls of all sports. NFL is expected to hand down tampering

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punishments to a pair of teams thisweek. ESPN reports the Falcons and Eagles
will learn their fates for alleged tamperingcases. Atlanta is being investigated for contact
made with former Vikings quarterback Kirk Cousinsbefore signing a four year, one hundred
and eighty million dollar contract during freeagency, and Philadelphia is also accused of

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contacting a player before the legal tamperingperiod. Philly signs the Kwan Barkley away
from the NFC East rival Giants toa three year deal worth nearly thirty eight
million dollars. I think you're goingto see a later round draft pick taken
away and that's your balls to theWall sports. I'm Lindsay on ninety seventy
five m. Good morning, It'sthe Big nine Morning Show nine one eight

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to eight two nine four five Goodmorning Lindsay, Good morning Corbyn. We
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Gippie, Well, good morning Corbin. Heard of Bene sevenfold. They're going
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they're gonna be doing that on Fridaynight, of course, disturbed slip Now

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you can get your full lineup,your link for tickets and everything you need
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for best and worst of the weekend. What's the best thing that happened this
weekend and the worst thing that happenedthis weekend? Nine one, eight four
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eight two nine four five. What'sthe best that happened this weekend? And

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what's the worst that happened this weekend? Lindsey, Oh, this weekend was
full. It was so packed andit was so much fun. Friday night
was probably amazing because I took Marcusto his very first concert at the Paycom

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Center. I took him to seeNF his who is an F. He's
a rapper who sounds to me,sounds exactly like Eminem And I had no
idea how much merchandise. This catsells holy smokes. There was five different
booths set up and they had Ithink we waited fifteen minutes in line at

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the end of the show, andthat was probably one of the shorter of
the lines. Crazy. It wassuch a good time. It was his
first concert and we had floor seatsgeneral admission tickets, and my kid was
on cloud nine the entire time,and we got to before the show,
we went eight at our favorite placewhen we're in Oklahoma City at Chicken Beer

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and had some really good wings andit was just a great day. We
started Mom and Sun dates back whenthe twins were born, because for the
first three years it was just me, Kevin and Marcus. So when the
twins came along, he had toget used to sharing his time with mom

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and dad, and he would geta little jealous because you know, the
twins were twenty four to seven.I mean it was you know, they
needed a lot of attention, andso we would take some time when we
could, and it was hard becauseyou know, we didn't have family here.
It was just Kevin and I,so we would have to wait and

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if the nanny could stay late orsomething, I would take Marcus somewhere it
was just him and I and soit didn't happen very often, but when
it did, it would be prettyspecial. So we hadn't done it in
a long time. And when Idid get these tickets, he was like,
cool, we haven't had a sonand mom Dayton such a long time.

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So that was cool for me thathe recognized that. And then Kevin
said, now you got to startdoing this with the twins too. So
you've never done it with the twins. We have once or twice gone to
the zoo like together, whereas Marcus. But Marcus has been invited in the
past, but he's like, no, I'm too old for that. You

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guys go and have but it's neverbeen a time time where it's just been
me and Leo or me and Eli. So I asked them, what do
you guys want to do, andLee I was like, not really my
thing. But Eli expressed that he'dlike to go to Pino's Palette with me
sometime and go and drink wine.No, paint, paint paint. He
went to a birthday party there nottoo long ago and drink wine and paint.

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No, but he did paint.They do kids birthdays there. I
didn't know that. Yeah, Ifigure that's all they did was drink wine
and paint. Well, I knowthey have kids places that do crafts and
painting stuff. I just I guessI never thought of that place. So
before the concert, what was thelast thing you did with a father son?
Date with your I'm sorry, motherson, date with your favorite.

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I don't even remember. I don'teven remember now my favorite. It's just
the oldest. I bet if wetook a pull, people would say,
that's your favorite. No, hewas just the first born. It is
the oldest that you can do morewith because he's the oldest. So about

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it, I'm not you just havedifferent experiences with them. But the worst
was it happened on Saturday. Wecelebrated, which was a great, a
great time. We celebrated Brad's fortiethbirthday part of The Big Man Morning Show

(35:30):
Family at Lake Fort. Gibson andMichelle, his wife, got a hook
stuck in her thumb, so Ihad to witness Michelle's thumb lakeside surgery performed

(35:50):
by Gimpy's brother Scott, who isnow he can put surgeon on his list
of things that he's good at becausehe did it so professionally, right there
in the middle of the water.What did he use. He had to
use a razor blade, a cleanand not brand razor blade. But he

(36:10):
had to cut it open because thebarb was underneath her thumb, and sliced
it open, got the the hookout and bandaged her up really well.
But you know, it's puts adamper on things because she can no longer
swim. But this, here's thereally worst part about it was it could
have been avoided because this whole bigrope that had been tied around her leg

(36:34):
and she went to release it fromher leg. That's how she got the
hook stuck in her thumb. Itwas found earlier by Gimpy, and Gimpy
had just thrown it to the sideinstead of getting rid of it in the
water. Let's put it back whereI found it, Yeah, exactly.
But if you would have just gottenit out of the water, it wouldn't
have floated. Wouldn't just have yourlook your hooks and lines just stroda all

(36:59):
over over the water. It'll beall right, it ain't my fault.
Blame it on the other fishermen thatdid that, who left it there.
Yeah, right, fishermen, getyour damn lines out of the water when
you're done. So You're worst ofthe weekend is witnessing something happened to someone
else? Yes? Yes, absolutely, best and worst of the weekend.
What's the best thing that happened thisweekend? Worst thing that happened this weekend?
Bmms and whatever that is to eighttwo, nine, four five.

(37:22):
Give me what's the best and what'sthe worst. Best part of the weekend?
You started early. I don't evertake off for work at all,
whatsoever. But I wanted to gosee Hardy on Thursday night, and I
did not want to come back towork on Friday morning because I'd have gotten
bag and light midnight maybe and thenbe up at one thirty or hell,

(37:42):
even if I slept a little bitright, just a couple hours. So
seeing Hardy was the best part ofthe weekend. Honestly disappointed because they they're
so confusing on their website. Theyhad like Hardy and then Kip Moore and
Stephen Wilson, who I was reallyexcited to see, and that nobody listed
on the website, and I'm like, all right, well we can get

(38:05):
past this nobody here, okay,Because I don't know who he is,
and I don't really care, butI want to see Stephen Wilson. So
I figured it would have gone.You know, we get there in time,
me and my buddy Josh and hisold lady. We get there shortly
after the the music had started,so I was like, okay, we've
got time. So so I endedup missing Stephen Wilson on that one.

(38:25):
I don't even know if he playedor not, but whatever, it was
still a great show. Kit Morreput on a great show. Hardly put
on a damn killer show. Andthat Wallamp Theater over there, that Walmart
Amphitheater and Rogers bro It's nice.It's got great sound, it's got great
seating. I was very impressed.I had never been to that venue ever

(38:47):
before, and I was highly impressed. It's like to have some money of
some big box retailer behind him,I said, guy named Sam or whatever
really really just done it up behindhim. But nonetheless, so that was
the best part of the weekend.I got a room out there and I
stayed the night, which is goodbecause I didn't want to drive back and

(39:07):
mess with all that. The worstpart of the weekend started Thursday. I
left here, and I had myremote at Waldo's Chicken and Beer across the
street seventy first and year they gotanother location of Broken Arrow, but I
was at the one of seventy firsthere for their four year anniversary, right,

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okay, cool. I didn't geta chance to get home to let
my dogs out, all right,And if you know anything about me and
my dogs, I gotta get thereby noon or else it's just going to
be a terrible mess. And boywas it a terrible mess. Literally the
worst I've ever had to deal within the history of me having the dogs.

(39:51):
It was bad. You had tothink that they were drinking castor oil.
It was that bad. It wasthat bad. So I'm like,
all right, I get home andlike and and you know, as soon
as you hit that door, it'slike a brick wall of stank man pow.
And I'm like, well, Ikind of had a feeling this is
gonna happen. It is what itis. And then I peek around the
corner and I see what I'm dealingwith, and I'm like, oh Jesus,

(40:15):
And of course they're dancing around andit like, you know, damn
ballerina or whatever. Terrible, terrible. So I get that all cleaned up,
I get myself cleaned up and getmy stuff together. I'm on my
way over to uh to Rogers.Right. I booked a hotel room like
a couple of days out. I'mlike, we're good, we're good,
and they're like, sorry, wedon't have your room for you. Why

(40:38):
I got a room at all forme? Yeah, you didn't have like
a confirmation. They didn't have aconfirmation or anything. Yeah, yeah,
it is credit card issues or whatever. I was like, damn a right
whatever. So, uh, thislady's like, sorry, we can't to
you other room, and I said, well, that's some bulls and just
walked right on out the door.She said, excuse me, and I'm

(41:01):
not messing with you going down getBut I ended up getting another room.
I had to rush around and Ifound one and it was kind of seedy,
but it worked. Had a bed, It had a bed, and
it had a shower and I hada toilet and that's all I really needed.
So the worst part of the weekendwas just kind of the rough patch

(41:22):
that started it off with, butalling on on too bad. Not surgery,
no, no, and no Idon't feel bad for you know,
just chunking some wines back in thewater where I found them. Best and
worst of the weekend. What's thebest thing that happened this weekend and the
worst thing that happened this weekend.Best part of the weekend was yesterday.

(41:45):
It was threatening weather all day,but it was cool, nice back patio,
a breakfast, lunch, dinner outon the back patio. Uh,
watched some TV. It was nice. Kids played its great relaxing day part
of the week and is sitting outon the back patio. My neighbor's got
a new puppy, and my kidswere so and my wife were so interested

(42:07):
in it. Yeah, that theywanted to talk about getting a puppy,
which is fine. We can talkabout it anytime they want. And one
of the things I brought up was, what do you know why we're seeing
the puppy so much? No,because it has to go outside every two

(42:28):
hours. Who in this house isgoing to do it? Who's going to
get up at one, who's goingto get up at eleven? Who's doing
it? And nobody said a thing. I was like, well, if
I'm gonna be the one that's goingto do it, my votes know because
I don't want to get up anddo it. Not kind of into that

(42:50):
conversation, but it was still Itis a cute puppy man a puppy,
a Dalmatian puppy. Oh so cute, very nice, so cute. Right,
Best and worst of the weekend.What's the best thing that happened this
weekend and the worst thing that happenedthis weekend. Best part of the weekend
was good barbecue with the family onSaturday. Worst part was on Sunday,
my visiting sister through a pool partyat my dad's and lied to me about

(43:14):
a brother coming. We haven't seenor spoken to each other in over a
year. I left and returned laterto pick up my family. Wow.
Uh. Best of the weekend.I got a new tattoo today. Worst
of the weekend caught my nipple piercingon my shirt and holy s did it
steing? Yikes? That'll do it. Best part moving back to Tulsa to

(43:42):
be close to family. Worst partthe move and starting in a new job
today. No breaks, gotta makethat money. Yeah, moving sucks.
Worst. I was sick all weekend. Best had nothing planned, so I
turned off my phone and slept fortwo days feeling great. Today, Best
went to Worlds of Fun and Oceansof fun up in Kansas City. Worst

(44:04):
didn't get back home till after midnight. I'm so tired. Best washed my
ass off Saturday night at the DiamondBallroom and tried to fight a grown man
that kept messing with the mothers.He sent my bitch ass sliding across the
floor when I was two step inthe hardcore version. That's a lot going

(44:29):
on, and I got up,decked him in the face, and a
short stud lesbian pulled me away andsaid I was a badass. I'm twenty
five year old woman. Worst TikTokpush pits are trying to take over,
and it's lame. One of thefavorite things about doing this hearing Lindsay's and

(44:50):
Gimpi's and mine and listeners is howdifferent they all want to right. The
spectrum is wide, living our bestlife together in a community. All right,
we gotta take a break. Wegot tickets to Rock the Riverfest.
We'll give those away. Coming up. More of The Big Man Morning Show
is next ninety seven KMOD, GoodMorning, It's The Big Man Morning Show.

(45:30):
Nine one eight four six oh KMOD. Jeff Finsie will join us at
nine. You've got a question aboutdivorce, custody, guardianship, name change,
any of those things. Get yourquestions to us. You can get
it to us ahead of time byemailing it show at kmod dot com,
or you can text BMMS and whateverthat question is to eight two, nine
four five. He'll be in atnine. Let's play a game because we

(45:53):
have tickets to Rock the Riverfest that'shappening June thirteenth through the sixteenth down at
Sparrowhawk Campgrounds in Talaquah, Texas.Hippie Coalition Rehab Scottie Austin from Saving Abel.
Full lineup link tickets is at Rockdriverfestdot com. Or you can try
and win a pair right in itright now as we play the ten twenty

(46:13):
thirty game. That's right, doyou know fifty years of AMoD rock Baby,
and let's find out three songs fromfifty years as your rock station.
Answer correctly, you win Baby nineto one, eight four six, oh

(46:34):
A M O. D. Groove. Let's get our contestant. Good morning,
you're on the air. What isyour name, Hunter? Hunter?
How are you today, Buddy?I'm doing great good. I'll play three
songs and then I'll tell you ayear, and you got to pick the
correct song that goes with that year. Are you ready, sir? Yes?
Here is the first song, somethingShame standing back Tatler conscious from the

(47:02):
Pain, may see arrange in thebackwall, slur there is something that Change
and lindsay Backwater, Yes, MeatPuppets and Backwater. Here is song number
two. J W want wants whatabout that one? Lindsay Gimpy Days of

(47:42):
the New Touch, Peel and Stamp. Yeah. Here in here's the third
one to welcome Lin Kryptonite Bye.Three doors down? All right, hunter,

(48:09):
I tried to pick all the songsthat sounded very similar, but they're
all from different years. I'm lookingfor the song from nineteen ninety seven that
is gonna be uh three doors down? The last three three doors down,
is your guest. Yeah, thatis incorrect. I'm so sorry. Okay,

(48:32):
Yeah, they all sound very similar, so it's hard to tell which
one. Let's go here, Goodmorning, you're on the air. What
is your name, Michael? Michael? Turn your radio down, Michael.
I'll quickly play the three songs again, and you've got to tell me the
year that I'm looking song that goeswith the year. I'm looking for here
we go, first song something thestand Backler, that is meat Puppet and

(49:00):
Backwater. Here song too, nextyear, Day's in the New and touch,
Peel and stand and here a song. Three. All right, man,

(49:22):
I'm looking for the song from nineteenninety seven. Ue the third one
that is incorrect and I don't know. Sounds like you're a little busy anyway,

(49:45):
I'd be better. Sorry, buddy, did not win that. All
right, good morning, you're onthe air. What is your name,
miss James James? How are you? Buddy? All right, good man?
Let me play the three songs reallyquickly. Okay, here's the first
one. Here's the first stands backTatler. That's the meat Puppets and Backwater

(50:07):
song too. Next year, Daysof the New, Touch Peel and stand
in song three Trade Doors down inKryptoni. I'm looking for the song from

(50:27):
nineteen ninety seven, James as theDays of the New. It is Days
of the New Man. Congratulations,you're going to get those tickets to rock
the river Fest June twenty fourth.I'm sorry, June thirteenth through the sixteenth
at the Sparrow Hawk campgrounds in Tahaquah. Hang on the line, get your
info, all right, buddy,right, A good job, friend.

(50:52):
Crazy? How different those songs allsound. How crazy they all sound the
same, right, But we're notclose and date range? No, no,
I mean you're talking almost a sevenyear difference, yea, from meat
Puppets to three Doors Down. It'sa lot of time. Three Doors Down.
That was what like two thousand andtwo thousand, two thousand. Yeah,

(51:15):
days of new I always remember becauseit's when I graduated college. Alright,
on the only reason I know thatone. It was the first one
that popped in. All right,we got to take a break. We've
got our listeners are awesome. JeffFins is going to join us at nine
at nine as well. We'll beback. Tulsa's Morning Show is coming right
back, A big morning show,Tulsa's Rock Station nine KMOD. Good morning,

(51:57):
It's the Big Man Morning Show nineeight four six zero KMOD. You
can also text bmms and then whatyou want to say to eight two nine
four five. See what Gimpi hasin his four by four. Let's try
that again. Let's see what Gimpihas in his four by four. All
right, Well, e was allwhat it says here that Trump says prison

(52:21):
time would be a breaking point forAmericans. Former President Trump says that he
thinks there will be a breaking pointfor his supporters if he's sentenced to prison
time in his hush money case.In an interview, he said that he
doesn't know if the public would standfor it if he were put behind bars.
The former president's comments came just daysafter his jury conviction convicted him on

(52:44):
thirty four counts of falsifying business documents. He rallied against the case, calling
the proceedings rigged. It's rigged,and vowing to appeal the decision. Says
here that Mexico elects their first stepor female president, Claudius Shinebomb. Claudia
Shinebomb. Okay, why do yousay Claudia's Claudia Spanish name? See Claudia

(53:12):
is Claudisier. Yeah, I knew. I knew a gal. They ran
the Speedy Gonzales and her name wasClaudia. Her old man's name was Hector.
So I'm saying it is okay.She'll find out anyhow, Claudius.
It is now for sure, Itis now for sure. Claudius Shinebaum is
the former mayor of Mexico City andwill succeed president under this Manuel Lopez Obrador.

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She has pledged a govern with thesame principles as Lopez Obrador, calling
that a good thing for all Mexicans. Took on x on Sunday to congratulate
Shinebaum, noting that it appeared thatshe'd won the most votes in all of
Mexico's history. Congratulations Claudia Latin slashRoman origin so yes and no, no,

(54:04):
gotcha? Okay? Moving forward?A Chinese spacecraft lands on the Moon
Saturday. The probe touched down onthe dark side of the Moon, where
we'll have been collecting samples from theDid it did it? We don't know
what's on the dark sign. Theunmanned mission hopes to return the samples to

(54:25):
Earth within the next few months.China plans to send astronauts to the Moon
by twenty thirty to start building aresearch base at its south pole. So
remember, they were supposed to launcha ship, the Boeing Plan rocket.
It didn't It didn't go They hada computer problem. They're gonna try on

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Wednesday, but there's a dramatic needfor it to go up. Why the
toilet on the space station's broken.Oh no, well, I'm not kidding.
The toilet on the on the onthe space station is broken. Get
a plumber up there a space nowthey need a special pump. And the
toilet on the space station recycles ninetyseven percent of the fluids for drinking.

(55:09):
Oh glad, I'm not an astronaut. Aim well, y'all think you're gonna
go to Mars. What do youthink you're gonna drink your own dirty water?
Because how much do you think itwould cost to ship water? Right

(55:30):
a lot or to take feces away. I'm glad to be here on Earth
man, anytime I want, right, anytime. Sometimes I can just let
it run if I want, justwater down the drade whatever, it's money.
Lastly, here government Stitch signs abill to restore the levee system here

(55:50):
in tols The County. It'll costmore than one hundred and eighty million dollars
to refurbish and restore levees in TolsaCounty, and now that money is finally
on the way. The levee werebuilt in the nineteen forties, and since
that time there has been little doneto properly maintain them. In twenty nineteen,
after severe storms hit the area.The governors said he'd learned just how
perilous the situation had become. Officialsare still working on a date for the

(56:14):
projects completely. What did we seelast week was like top five percent of
worse levies in America right right righthere. So that's good. Brendan McManus's

(56:35):
Washington commander's career is over. Theteam released the kicker on Sunday. The
move comes after McManus was accused ofsexual assaults in a May lawsuit. The
two women who filed the lawsuit accusedMcManus of sexually assaulting them when he was
a member of the Jacksonville Jaguars andthey were working as flight attendants on the
team's plane to London last season.McManus's attorney, Our Galloway set in a

(57:00):
statement released last week that the allegationsare an extortion attempt, and they very
well could be. But also itwould be easy to back up if you
were doing any of those things right, could get picked up somewhere else.
Right, maybe not until it's allover. I don't know if he's the
best kicker outright worth it. Yeah, there's a whole bunch of kickers that

(57:23):
just came eligible. Uh huh.There'll be a whole bunch more next year,
and the San Francisco Giants are expectingto be without a member of their
starting rotation for the foreseeable future.San Francisco right hander Blake Snell departed Sunday's
start against the New York Yankees dueto tightness and his left or groin.
Snell was in the middle of anat bat during the fifth inning before leaving

(57:45):
the game after feeling the discomfort.The thirty one year old dealt with a
similar injury early in the season.The two times Cy Young Award winner has
gone oh to three with a ninepoint five to one ERA through six starts
in his first season with the Giants. And that is your Balls to the
Wall Sports. I'm Lindsay on ninetyseven to five KMO. Good morning,

(58:16):
It's the Big Man Morning Show.Nine one, eight four six Oh KMOT.
You can also text the MMS andthen what you want to say to
eight two, nine four five Goodmorning Lindsay, Good morning Corbyn. There
are still some tickets to see Cornup for grabs when you sign up at
the website at rocks kmod dot com. That show is on Wednesday, October

(58:39):
twenty third at the Bok Center.Sign up to win your way there kmod
dot com. Good luck, goodmorning, gimbye, well, good morning,
Corbin. Hey. This Thursday isthe annual Rumble N' Roll of benefit
the Make a Wish Foundation of Oklahoma. It's a huge motorcycle parade that ends
with a a nice little block partydown in Brookside. And if you register,

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you can also be qualified for aMyers Deer in a shopping spree.
Again. That is Rumble n' rollgoing on this Thursday, and you can
sign up at rumblin'roll dot com.All right, let's go to the phones
because it's time for our listeners.Are awesome, join us on the line
right now. Is Megan? HeyMegan, how are you hi? Doing
well? How about y'all? GoodMegan. It says here you work in

(59:25):
community outreach. What explain community outreachbecause I don't know if I'm clear on
what that means or is it meantto be kind of a generic term.
It meant to be a little generic. I work for a nonprofit in the
Tulsa area, and you know,we help with individuals experiencing homelessness. So

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we do a lot of community outreach. Is that something that was a is
a passion for yours or did youjust kind of fall into it and have
really enjoyed giving back to the community. Oh, it is absolute a passion
of mine. I I have alot of lived experience, So I myself
have experienced homelessness. I I wasa drug addict. I have been in

(01:00:10):
recovery for five years now. Iyou know, I've been hungry, I've
I've been the single mom, youknow, needing diapers and needing assistants.
And so when I was able toget back on my feet, that's what
I wanted to do. I wantedto be the person that could help individuals
that were in my situation. Iwanted to be the person that could help

(01:00:34):
me out. If that makes itabsolutely does talk about being homeless. How
were you homeless through my drug addiction? I, uh, yeah, just
ended up you know, being homeless, living living in my car, losing
losing custody of my daughter, livingin my car, and then living in

(01:00:55):
a burned out house at or atPine and so yeah, I did experience
that not very long. So youknow, these individuals that are experiencing chronic
homelessness that have been out for ayear longer. I don't know how they
do it, Oh my gosh.And so that's why I want to help
those individuals. Because I made ittwo weeks, I don't know how these

(01:01:20):
individuals make it longer than that.So I would love to help how I
can. What is the thing thatconstantly surprises you about homelessness in our metro
That individuals will choose every day.They will choose to stay outside in their
cars in the streets because there aren'tenough shelters that take their animals. They

(01:01:45):
will stay in the rain fleets nowwith their animals instead of go to a
shelter and be separated from their animal. That's a really interesting point that I
never thought about, because some ofthe reasons people don't go to shelters is
crime. They have to give uptheir stuff. But pets are one thing

(01:02:06):
I never thought about there because thereisn't very many. And so you're saying
that those people that are homeless,there's no way they're abandoning their friend.
You know, that is much morethan their friend, as their family members,
their security guard, to their emotionalsupport animal. I mean it is
everything to them, and so absolutelythey every day we see it, they

(01:02:30):
do not. They refuse to goto shelters or anywhere, you know,
to get services for themselves because theydon't want to be separated from their animal.
But luckily, the Tulsa Dacenter actuallyjust broke ground on some i think
ten new kennels so that individuals canbring their animals there. Now, well,

(01:02:52):
that's I think that's good work thatyou're doing there. Just to give
back and especially working through your sobriety, I'm sure that is something that is
an important part of your sobriety isgiving back. Oh yeah, absolutely that
That is what drives my recovery,is giving back to individuals and just you

(01:03:13):
know, just making it full circle. I did so much bad for so
long, and so when I wasable to get on my feet get clean,
I really wanted to you know,pay it back, and you know
the cliche of making turning something badinto something good. I did want to
do that, but I also wantedto help the individuals that were still living

(01:03:34):
in those situations. It says herethat we're going to jump right into a
pretty heavy thing. It says yousurvived a double homicide home invasion. How
old were you when this happened.I was nineteen when that happened. And
were you living by yourself or wereyou still living at home? No,

(01:03:54):
I was. I was living bymyself and my best friend was living with
me, and we had a littleduplex, and three individuals came in and
shot and killed my two friends infront of me and then left me,

(01:04:17):
just left me there and they left. Why did they spare your life?
Uh? That is a question Istill ask myself. That's the question that
the detective at the Tulsa Police wereasking me that night, because they didn't
cover their faces and so they wereidentifiable. And still to this day,

(01:04:44):
there's not an answer to that.And you know, maybe through my work,
that is what I'm trying to figureout in this life, is why
I did, Why I did survivethat? And you know, because I
did survive that, I was ableto help bring justice to one of the
individuals that came into my house thatnight. So they found one of them,

(01:05:08):
yes, one one and done.The other two are go out there
and that person's just not saying whothey are cooperating No, no, he
he he took it all the waydown. Two life sentences consecutively, so
hopefully he will never get out.But nope, he didn't. He would

(01:05:30):
not say who it was. Didyou have to testify? Yes, yes
I did, which was just astraumatic as surviving the actual incident. Uh,
the testifying was brutal. Yeah,you had to have been terrified.
Yes, yeah. So when theystarted the court proceedings, the very first

(01:05:56):
thing they did, uh, theygot me on the stands sworn in,
and they said, we're going toplay the nine one one tape. And
on the nine one one tape,it's me calling nine one one and you
can hear my friend in my armsdying. I did not know they were
going to play that tape, so, you know, and then when this

(01:06:17):
happened, I'm still just in thethrows a PTSD and trauma out the wazoo.
So when they played this tape,I I got up, I hopped,
I hopped the little barrier, andthey found me, I think,
three floors down in a men's bathroom. I ran out of the courtroom.

(01:06:40):
I could. I couldn't take itbecause you just you mentally went back there.
Yes, yeah, because I II didn't know they were going to
play the tape. I hadn't heardthe tape, and for the last year,
for that year and a half,I had been trying to escape those
sounds that I had heard that night, the sound of you know, people

(01:07:01):
and bodies dying, and that isexactly what I heard on the tape.
And so yes, I heard that, and my brain just you know,
fight or flight, and I thefirst time, I decided to fight and
stay in the house, and thistime I decided to flight and I ran.
I ran out of the courtroom,ran down the stairs, and I

(01:07:23):
think my mom and the prosecutor foundme in a men's bathroom on the floor.
That's insanely traumatic. I'm so sorrythat you had to deal with it.
That sounds like that was really hardand it probably you probably still relive
a lot of it. Yeah,yeah, I do, especially you know

(01:07:43):
when there's safety concerns. But alot of it I've I've lived to or
I've learned to live with it.And you know, time, time is
a really healing thing. And youknow, through through time, I've I've
healed and I wouldn't say I've gottenused to it, but I have learned
to live with it. And youknow, I see a counselor, and

(01:08:06):
you know, all the mental healthstuff for uh, to keep my mental
health good, get good self care, all of that kind of stuff.
So I have learned to live withit and and move on with my life
without carrying that guilt. Not thefirst time you've dealt with loss, though,
right, that No, because whenI was thirteen, I had I

(01:08:30):
had I had a brother overdose anddie when I was thirteen. And then
that happened when I was nineteen,and and then I'm assuming you're talking about
my parents. Yeah, they theyYeah, they happened when I was actually
in jail when when I lost them. Yes, wow, so you didn't

(01:08:51):
even that probably had to hurt evenmore. Yes, yeah, that was
so. It was Labor Day weekand they were they were at Keystone Lake
celebrating their twenty fifth wedding anniversary.And that was actually the last call I
did to my my bonus mom.I'm just gonna for this sake, I'm

(01:09:11):
just gonna call her my mom.Uh. The last phone call I had
with my mom is she They weretalking about their lake plans. They're so
excited to go out and celebrate theiryou know, twenty fifth anniversary. A
quarter of a century they've been together, and you know, they're so excited.
And uh, it was that Sundaynight they had been drinking, so
it was my dad's fault. Butthey were drinking on their jet ski.

(01:09:36):
The light was not on and aboat hit them and killed them when they
were on the way back to themarina. Wow, I'm so sorry.
How does one find out in prisonthat a loved one has passed? So?

(01:09:57):
Uh that it happened pretty late atnight, and a guard came into
my cell and woke me up.I would stay around like midnight, and
I should have known something was upbecause they were being nice to me.
They were being nice and offering toget my glasses in my shoes, and
that doesn't happen in jail. Andthey actually walked me down to the captain's

(01:10:20):
office and I gave it to themiddle of the night. There's no one
there, and I opened the door, and I, I have no idea
what this is about. I hadgotten into an altercation earlier in the day,
so I thought maybe I was gettinga middle of the night reprimand of
some kind. So I had noidea what was going on. I get

(01:10:43):
down to this captain's office, openthe door, and I see my mother,
my my biological mother, sitting there, and you know, she's just
got to look on her face,and so I immediately think of my daughter,
who at this time was one,and so you know, I said,
is my daughter okay? And andshe said yes, that I could

(01:11:06):
tell, and she didn't. Imean, she's got out with it.
And she said, I'm so sorry. There was a voting accident. Your
dad and Kathy died, and aboutall I remember at that point. I
know, we sat there and Iscreamed for a little bit and they let
me. They were very nice aboutgiving me some time. But the part

(01:11:28):
that was more traumatic is so whenyou get news like that in jail,
they automatically will put you on suicidewatch, and that means going to a
cell with twenty four hour fluorescent lights. You were stripnecked, put in a

(01:11:49):
turtle suit so that you can't harmyourself. And I begged them, I
said, I am, I'm notsuicidal. Please don't get Let me go
back to my sale and just domy comforting thing please, And know they
they decided that after being traumatized oflearning that my parents died, that I

(01:12:13):
needed to be stripnked in the middleof the hallway and yes, yeah,
yeah exactly and made delay under afluorescent light. Yeah, as a sun
rose. I just I'll never forgetthat. I just it was the most
that that traumatized me, almost asmuch as hearing that my parents died,
was that I had to be stripneked in front of a mail guard and

(01:12:38):
I was humiliated. It was itwas pure humiliation. So do you do
you think it would be in hindsight, would it have been better to not
find out until you were were released? Well, in my situation, no,
because I was actually I had alreadysigned time to go to actual prison,
so I wasn't going to be leastfor about eight months anyways. So

(01:13:04):
uh, i'd been going for thoseeight months wondering why they weren't getting me
a call. Uh, you know, So now it is one of the
things. It was better to justrip the Bay of eight off and and
you know, and and get itdone with and so I was able to,
you know, go through my mysentence. Okay, but it was

(01:13:25):
really hard getting out because it wasalmost like losing them again because you know,
when I got out, well,the last time that I was in
the free world I had. Ihad my parents, you know, and
I had this whole other life thatno longer existed. And so getting out,
getting out of prison was just likelosing them all over again, because

(01:13:49):
then I got my phone and Ihad all the text messages, and I
could see all the text messages mydad had sent me while I was in
jail, you know, if himjust sending in couraging texts, and you
know, and still till the dayhe died, he would even when I
was in jail, he would stilltext me every night. Love you,

(01:14:09):
baby girl, Love you, babygirl, Love you, baby girl.
So getting out getting those text messagesthat was really really really hard. That
was almost harder than losing them injail. So sorry, that's that had
to have been traumatic on top ofeverything else. Why were you in prison?

(01:14:32):
Uh? A little tom foolery withassault and discharging a firearm, Just
little little stuff like that. Now, I made a mistake in my drug
in my drug addiction, made amistake, got in a fight with a
friend, and yeah, I decidedto discharge a firearm and quickly and promptly

(01:14:55):
learned my lesson on that. Giveme a little more detail. That's a
pretty uh broadt. I discharged aweapon with a friend, So give me
what were you arguing with a friendand you pointed a gun at them and
then shot at the ground, Likewhat happened? Yeah? Pretty close.

(01:15:15):
Yeah, we were arguing. Welived in the same apartment complex. It
was like an eight plex apartment,so we lived in the same building.
Basically, we lived in the samehall. We were two doors away from
each other. And we had justbeen just little, stupid, twenty one
year old stupid fights and we weregoing back and forth fighting and my brother

(01:15:39):
came over and I do remember theystarted to make fun of my brother.
That's where I got really mad.I pulled out my gun. They were
in their apartment. I went totheir door and I I was trying to
get them out of the apartment tojust have a good old fashioned fight.

(01:16:00):
They wouldn't open the door. Theystarted making fun of my brother. I
pulled out my gun, fired aroundinto the wall, and that was it.
And they didn't give you. Hadyou been in trouble before that?
No, or I mean if youcount possession of marijuana and bartles fill but

(01:16:21):
I mean if you had a record, that would be in trouble for sure.
Uh, yeah, because it feelslike a pretty intense penalty for discharge.
Yes. Yeah, so the thereckless reckless conduct of the firearm that
was the my count too, thatwas a misdemeanor. The felony was assault

(01:16:43):
with intent to commit a felony.Mm. Yeah, that's that's a little
bit different than discharge. Yeah.Yeah. I want to back up one
thing, just to understand the timeline. Did your drug addiction start because of
witnessing what happened to your friend orwas that already happening? I so the

(01:17:12):
way I said it, I wasdefinitely like a substance user. I was
using substances. But my addiction,uh definitely came after surviving the shooting.
Absolutely. Yeah. Last thing Igot here because it's a pretty awesome one.
It says you can fly a helicopterkind of if there's a pilot in

(01:17:35):
there, Well, that's man,that's that's not flying a helicopter. Girl,
That that's someone else flying and you'rejust holding the stick. Well okay,
So my dad was a helicopter pilot, Okay, and so my whole
life we flew helicopters and and that'sthat's what we did. We had a
family country who flew helicopters, Andso my dad did teach me, you

(01:18:00):
know, to fly. Now,I don't know how to take off.
I don't know how to land,but you know when we are up in
the air, Yes, I am, you know. He would let me
hold the cyclic. The most hewould do. He would keep his feet
on the pedals, but he wouldlet me have the cyclic. And oh
my gosh, I can't remember theother control name. I had two controls.

(01:18:25):
He had the pedal, So Ican kind of fly. It counts
in an emergency situation. Could youtake off, get us somewhere and then
land us. Uh, my brothercan one. That is our apocalypse plan
one thousand percent. He's gonna goto the nearest airport, get a helicopter,
come get me, and we're gonnawe're gonna bake it somewhere stee.

(01:18:47):
Okay, so steal a helicopter,come find you. Question because I don't
know anything about helicopters. Do theyneed to be refueled? And do they
have keys? No? On CAthey definitely have to have to be refueled.
Yeah, and no one the keys. They definitely have to be refueled.
Yeah, but we can get thateasy. No disrespect, Megan,

(01:19:12):
I hope I'm never in a helicopterwith you. No disrespect. I hope
I'm not in one with myself aswell. Megan, thanks for taking the
time to talk to us and thanksfor sharing your story. I'm impressed with
your work with the community. Thatis something not everybody does and should do,
and for you to step up anddo that is impressive. So thanks

(01:19:33):
for sharing your story with us.Yeah. Absolutely, thanks for having me
on. All right with Megan,Our listeners are awesome. Take a break
and we'll be back. The BigMan Morning Show returns next Elsa's Morning Shown
km O D Good Morning. It'sThe Big Man More Show. Jeff Finsli

(01:20:01):
has join us at nine. Ifyou've got a question about divorce, custody,
guardianship, name change and those things, get it over to us.
Can email it show at cambody dotcom, or you can text the bmms
and whatever that question is to eight, two, nine, four or five.
This month, the Biggest BUCkies isgoing to open in Texas. The

(01:20:21):
Biggest, the biggest, Okay,I mean they're already mad, they are
they are? I agree, We'regonna have like five hundred pumps close one
thousand gas pumps. Uh. Currently, the biggest one is in Tennessee and
it is seventy four thousand square feet. Damn. This new one, which

(01:20:45):
will be in Texas between San Antonioand Houston, is going to be seventy
five thousand square feet, one hundredand twenty gas pumps. Damn. Now,
for those of the that are keepingtrack, that's am near two acres.
Yeah, it's definitely bigger than afootball field. It's a little shy

(01:21:06):
of a home depot, and it'sgonna be a Buckie's and it's gonna sell
more beef turkey than they can possiblykeep fresh, right, m Well,
good for them. And the crazything is one hundred and twenty gas pumps

(01:21:30):
and you still won't get to one. No, there'll still be a line
circling around like damn sharks. Nottoo far from where I live, near
the Port of Catoosa, they builtthere was this like standalone gas station,
self serve, put a card inwhatever, right, they built a quick
trip across the street. There wasnever anybody at this gas station, never,

(01:21:54):
no matter what time I went by, the only people I ever saw
in that gas station were the kidswith the Hondas and and racing. Right
right, that's where they would setup at night. The quick trip is
packed all the time, so it'slike, well, there's not really a
demand. Well they build in people. It's field of dreams, man,

(01:22:16):
right, people just showing up,like I don't know why. I just
feel like I gotta be here.Where's the clue? Look, there's one
right down the road. Now.Yeah, I do like BUCkies. It's
good. It seems a little overwhelmingthough, at least, you know,
anytime I stopped buying there, Idon't. I've never been. I'm gonna

(01:22:38):
go with It's just not for me. It is clean. They have multiple
choices. I don't like to haveto stand in that long of a line,
like I'm waiting to get on aride at Disney, there's a line
for the jerky because they don't onlyjust sell it. Right. At least
the one that I went to,right, they had the packages all on

(01:22:59):
the wall, but it seemed likethere was a guy behind a calendar who
had more jerky to give away.Right. Yeah, like a bakery in
there. Yeah, fudge, dude. They're known for their fudge, and
there are they called bucky balls.Their barbecue thing. I didn't try any
of them. I got the jerky, and then I lost a tooth on

(01:23:19):
st jerky, So I'm kind ofbitter about Bucky's jerky. Right now,
It's fine. I mean, Iget the joke, all of it.
Like it's I just feels you're right. Overwhelming is the right word. All
truck stops feel overwhelming. Not allof them. I mean I get what
you're saying. Some of them canbe. Yeah, loves, I don't
think is that bad. But it'slike when I walked into the to the

(01:23:43):
BUCkies, it was just so sobig, so many people around, and
I'm like, I just want Iwant to use the bathroom, right,
and I want to get a drink, and then if they've got a Bucky's
patch, I want to get that, and I wait for your for like
for your like for your motorcycles.Yeah, yeah, I got a big

(01:24:04):
old beaver. Right. Do youhave a quick trip one? No?
Do you have a flying j one? I would? Do you have a
loves one? No? But Ido you have a town and country?
All? Right? Come and go? Would be all right, it would
be, But I don't see themhaving patches anywhere, right, So I
look, I've looked, I walked, but I saw that because I'm you're

(01:24:24):
red BUCkies. You gotta get somethingthat sumes that you were read BUCkies.
You know, No, you don't. That's all that beef tricky that'll sit
in your passenger seat right for awhile, would be enough. Yeah,
but then I'm taking the beaver withme everywhere I go. Uh nonetheless,
Uh yeah. I looked. Iwas like, oh cool, they got
bucket patch. I'll take it.I didn't realize how many awards BUCkies had.

(01:24:48):
Oh yeah, No. And ifthose awards mean something to you,
sure sure, but they I meanAmerica's best restroom voted by who sint does
the cleaning agent, people that sellcleaning product. So let's just let's let's
let's unpackage that. If you sellcleaning products, who do you think they

(01:25:11):
sell the most cleaning products to BUCkies? In this case the place that is
the biggest convenience stores in America?And would it behoove you to give them
a title? Right? They alsohave the world's longest car wash and fifty
five feet Its debatable. Okay,I've been in something that feel about too

(01:25:35):
something. My My estimation of sizeis greatly distorted. Does that mean anything
to you? Does the world's longest? You mean I gotta sit here longer?
Exactly? That's what it says tome. Man, it's not getting
your car any extra clean because it'sextra long, right? Or is it?

(01:25:56):
She said? Any other accolades thatare renting the best brisket sandwich found
at a gas station? Huh,there's no. It is not the best.
It's good, it's good for agas station, but it's not the
best brisket sandwich I've ever had.Yeah, I mean, anyone can give

(01:26:20):
themselves that title because it can't reallybe proven, right, How are you
gonna do? Yeah? How areyou gonna debate that exactly? Do they
have best fudge? No, that'swhat they're known. They're known for their
fudge and their beef terkey and thebrisket bucky ball things or whatever. Here
they pack it themselves, some niceladies, the sanitary gloves. I got

(01:26:45):
a job at the BUCkies. Whatare you doing patting them together? A
budgebacker? Yeah, I'm gonna sellthe fudge. I'm a ball I'm a
ball maker, you see, I'llhandle these balls. I have got top
awards for the best of ball handlingfor my fever balls. And I've heard,
I don't know if this is true. I have heard that when you

(01:27:06):
work there, if you are oneminute late, you get written up really
and three rite ups and you're firedreally one minute that's I mean, there
ain't nothing wrong with being you know, proud of your job, being there
on time. At least it ain'tlike Amazon where you got you know,
you have pissed jugs and you're fanwith you because you can't go to the

(01:27:29):
bathroom right right. I'm not sayingthat one's better than the other, but
to me, having empathy for oneminute feels and whose clock right? And
do you call Sandy in and goSandy you're ball making. You're gonna have

(01:27:51):
to do some extra training on howto handle the balls because this just ain't
working. This is not up tothe Bucky Balls standard. Maybe you seem
stressed, how's work? Just notbacking packing? I'm just not packing fudge
like I used to. Honey,they got me from fudge pack and moved

(01:28:13):
me over to the Beaver Balls area. You know I've been, I've been.
I've been working there ten years.I'm not the young, same young
person I've always been. They justhired this. This is a hussy and
she see how she handles the fudgepacking like, look, it's a Friday
night. Meanwhile, I'm over thereasking for a break. I can't have
it. You were a minute late. Sorry, Sandy, this fudge ain't

(01:28:41):
gonna pack itself. You know youlisten here, lady, this is BUCkies
and we take our fudge packing serious. You don't. You don't get a
title by cleanest bathrooms, by centaurs, by cutting corners. Oh, for

(01:29:02):
the love of God, corb andbeaver nuggets, not ball. Thanks for
the correction. I don't think Iwatch your beaver nut like you did.
You did your thumbs turn white asyou typed it out on your phone?
You were so angry. Good God. And apparently BUCkies isn't a truck stop.

(01:29:23):
They do not allow trucks at BUCkies. I didn't say it was a
truck stop, but it is comparable. It is it is. I was
naming other enormous places to get fueland coffee. BUCkies is not trucker friendly.
Maybe we need to change that.We'll write a strongly worded letter to
the governor. But what's the matter. We don't have any BUCkies here in

(01:29:45):
Oklahoma. I love this doesn't careright, I love that phrase, though
it's not truck or friendly, likeit's an ostracized group of people. Right.
All those truckers are sitting on thesile of the road, and I'm
looking at the BUCkies. I surewish I could go in there. You
literally have a stop named after you, truck stop. Right. We can't
have BUCkies, you can have allthe other ones. How do they get

(01:30:10):
their shipments? Have ever? Yes? Yes, those are the only trucks
a lot, so they're clearly partiallytruck er friendly. They use vands is
what they do. They have topark out on the street, just bring
it in. And does someone go, hey, you get that big rig
out of here. Read the signno trucks alot. I've seen you truggers.

(01:30:35):
You don't care about signs. Allright, we gotta take a break.
We'll be back, he says.Morning show, the Big Bad Morning
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(01:32:16):
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(01:32:40):
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(01:33:03):
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(01:33:23):
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(01:34:08):
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(01:34:28):
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(01:34:53):
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(01:35:15):
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now is Jeff Hensley from Hensley Associates. Hey, buddy, how are you
well. I'm hanging in there.How are you guys doing good? It's
good to hear from you. Jeffis here to answer your questions about divorce,
custody, guardianship, name change,any of the things that come along
with family law. Jeff can answerthose questions. So get your question to
us. A couple of ways todo that. You can text it,

(01:37:09):
BMMS and whatever that question is toeight two nine four five. You can
email it show at kmod dot com, or you can call nine one eight
four six oh kmo D. Firstone I have for you, Jeff,
is do I need to hire alawyer in an uncontested divorce? Aren't I
just wasting money? Well, aswe've talked throughout the years many times,

(01:37:31):
and you've said it over and over, it's fine until it's not. You
know, it's it's uncontested until it'snot, and it's usually when it's caught
on one thing, and that's whenit all blows up. And so it's
always good to have for that reason. But also too, you want to
make sure the documents that you're youknow, trying to file at the court
are correct. I mean I've talkedto the court liaison several times throughout you

(01:37:55):
know, over the years, ora number of times over the years,
and the amount of pipwork that theyget that is incorrect because what they don't
have lawyers is problematic in the sensethat you know, you may take it
in to get it signed by thejudge and they'll tell you it's wrong and
you'll go back. I've heard asmany as six or seven times before you
may finally get it right over aperiod of months, whereas if you hired

(01:38:19):
an attorney you could get it doneright the first time, one time only,
and then you'd be done. Soyou know, it's not wasting money.
It's money well spent in the sensethat you're making sure that everything is
correct, the paperwork is correct,the procedures correct. You know the judges,
we know the courthouses, we knowthe clerks, we know all the

(01:38:40):
things that are required. So it'sdefinitely not wasting money in any way shape
or Jeff Finsley's joining us from Hensleyand Associates. If you have a question
about a divorce, custody, maybea child visitation, he can answer how
those questions can not be navigated.If you get your question to us.
Email addresses show at Kamoody dot com. You can text it BMI and whatever

(01:39:00):
that question is to eight two ninefour five, or you can call at
nine one eight four six zho kmod. Some one says, my wife told
me she has been cheating on meand once divorced. That was a year
ago. Every time I talk toher, I ask if she has filed.
She hasn't. Are we jeopardizing anythingby not living together and not getting
divorced. You're not jeopardizing anything perse. I mean you would think that

(01:39:25):
if he wants out, he wouldhave filed as well already. But with
that being said, there's no jeopardizing. I mean by steparating, you've now
delineated exactly when that separation date is. And that separation date's important because when
you're looking at any debts that havebeen incurred, or anything else has been
purchased, or anything done after thedate of separation, that's on that person

(01:39:47):
individually, rather than on the marriageitself. So you know, however long
you said they've been I think it'said in a year, Now that they've
been separated, anything that they've doneduring that year on their own and their
own names and everything is on themsolely. So she's gone out and blown
twenty five thousand dollars on credit cardsor whatever it may be, that is

(01:40:09):
all on her and not on him. So it's not really hurting anything in
any way, shape or form.If there's a house that's involved, that
it might get interesting in regards todealing with the equity and those sorts of
things. But again, even then, anything that's done after the data separation
is one of those things that isgoing to be solely on the individual that

(01:40:32):
has the house. So but thatbeing said, I don't think it's a
there's any harm and anything at thispoint. Again, you've already delineated everything.
You've made a hard fast data asto how we need to divide things
up, so it's not necessarily abad thing at all. You've mentioned before
that there's a cooling off period,and I don't recall the parameters, but

(01:40:53):
there are parameters for a cooling offperiod when you get divorced. Right,
So in state of Oklahoma, there'stwo cooling off periods. If there are
no children involved, right, therehas to be a period of at least
eleven days that have passed from thedate that you file for a divorce before
a judge can sign a decree.So you file it on the first of

(01:41:15):
May, the judge can't sign thedecree until the eleventh of May. Now,
if you've got children involved, there'sa ninety day waiting period or ninety
day cooling off period that is requiredthat in that sense, and it's the
same as the eleven day you know, if you file on May first,
ninety days and has to pass beforethe judge can sign that decree. Now,

(01:41:40):
there are there are some counties thatdo wave the ninety days. Some
are very good about waiving it andno others are not, So it just
really depends on which county you're in. But the law says there's a ninety
day waiting period unless it's waved bythe court in some way. Stax says,
my husband took the guns out ofthe house and hid them. I
have pictures of all them. CanI use the pictures in mediation? Absolutely?

(01:42:03):
Absolutely. And the good thing abouttaking pictures is, you know,
assuming you can know what kind ofgun it is, and of course gun
collectors as a general rule, willhave a list of what those guns are
so they can have a value onthem. But you're basically the good part
about pictures is you can say,look, I know for a fact that

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you had a you know, aMossberg rifle, or you had a you
know, Smith and Weston AR fifteenor whatever it may be, and I
know for a fact that based uponthe market research, it's worth this amount
of money. So it's good tohave simply because that way you can start
listing all the things that can bedealt with in the mediation that requires a

(01:42:47):
certain monetary amount. So you know, if the picture shows twelve guns,
in the safe, and the otherside is saying no, no, I've
only got five. You could say, well, actually, there's the picture
that I took before you took allthe guns, and there's actually twelve in
there. So you know, it'sa very good thing to take pictures of
anything in your house, especially whenit comes down to things that are in

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collections, like you know, gunsor coins or anything that you collect.
Those are great to have. Thatway, the other side can't say,
well, you know, actually there'sonly this amount, and you say,
well, actually, I've got apicture that shows that I took right before
you took everything, that shows allthese things. So it's very wise actually
to take pictures. And I encourageall my clients to take pictures of those

(01:43:32):
sorts of things so that we canuse them in the case itself. So
it's a good thing to do.Jeff Hensley's join us from Hensley and Associates.
If you have a question about divorceor custody or guardianship or any of
those things, Jeff can answer thosequestions right now. The email addresses show
at kmod dot com. You cantext your question BMMS and whatever that is,
or you can call it nine oneeight four to six ozho kmod.

(01:43:55):
This one says, we have notfinalized divorce. Matter of fact, I
just filed. But she has alreadysold the ring. Am I entitled to
any of the money from the saleor should she not have sold the ring
at all? Okay, So letlet's talk about wedding rings. There's this
big mixconception, especially when you're talkingabout a very expensive ring, okay,
that the individual that bought it isentitled to whatever portion they think they're entitled

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to, fifty percent or otherwise.Wedding rings are considered gifts, period.
So if you choose to buy yoursoon to be new wife a fifty thousand
dollars ring with the you know,yellow canary diamond and in or whatever it
may be, that's a gift.You're not getting that back. So that

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that's how the judges, and that'show most everybody handles rings. Is their
gifts, whether you like it ornot. So you know, if she
wants to sell it, that's upto her. That's her gift from you,
and it's not something that will bedivided in the marital estate. Jennifer
is on the line, Jennifer,go ahead, Jennifer, you're Alm with
Jeff Hensley of Hensley and Associates.Okay, so here's my big question.

(01:45:05):
We lived together and properties paid offfor sixteen years, three kids, which
who still live there? So doI just fire out for the work or
and just stay in the same residentsthroughout the whole thing because I don't have
anywhere else to live in the meantime. Well, I mean that's up to

(01:45:26):
you. I mean, if youdon't have any other place to go,
then yes, that's that is anoption for you to do. Are the
kids grown a Are they still underage? But yeah, they're still elementary types?
Were all we got one on atschool? Now one? Yeah?
Okay, but the okay, Igot you. The reason I ask is
is that if you are going toleave, because you find some place that

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you can go live, whether itbe with a family member or friend or
whatever. You know, I alwaystell people to be sure and you know
you want to take your children withyou, all right now if you can't
afford to go anywhere else, andthen you know you'll stay in that same
residence, unless, of course,you know, if there is a factor
of abuse or you know, somethingof that nature, you can always feel

(01:46:11):
free to get a protective order ifit rises to the level of protective order
for physical abuse or something of thatnature. So you know, if a
protective order is granted, then hewill right. You can't get a protective
order for that that that's why theprotective order statute is not contemplated for those

(01:46:35):
sorts of things. They're more forphysical and harassment and stalking and things of
that nature. But my point ofit is, if for some reason it
got to that point of physical youcould get a protective order, at which
point the protective order can require himto be kicked out and forcibly removed from
the home. So that's the onlyreason I bringing that up. Does he

(01:46:56):
have somewhere he can go? Isthere a family member close for him or
anything like that. I think it'sjust we've both lived there for so long,
and it's just neither one of usor wanting to leave. But at
the same time, you know,we've just been on this road of not
getting along for so long. Iunderstand, and this is something that a

(01:47:18):
lot of families have to deal withand contemplate because the cost of obviously running
two households or two homes is veryexpensive, and so a lot of times
people will stay in the same residencesimply and they just you know, stay
in different rooms and they stay awayfrom each other during the process. Is
the do you own the home?Is it rented? Do you what interest?

(01:47:39):
Do you have no home? Weown the home, but I mean
we do have the shop that hecould but but that's I think why we
survived this long because he's got thislike maintave that he can go to,
right. So you know, unfortunately, the court can't force anybody out until
there's a temporary order. I mean, if there's a ten preorder that says

(01:48:00):
that you're awarded the marital residents andhe needs to leave, that is obviously
an option, and that is somethingthat can happen. But again we've got
to file for divorce and get infront of a judge on a temper order.
If you'll give your name at numberto Gimpie, I can give you
a call later this week and wecan talk a little more about your options
when we have more time. Right, Thank you, you're welcome, Jeff.

(01:48:24):
Just an example of divorce can bea simple thing, but it can
be quite complicated, and they're allso different. Absolutely, I mean,
no two divorces are the same.As you've heard it said so many times
throughout the years we've done this Corbyn. People will say, well, I've
talked to my friend who you know, his case is exactly like mine.

(01:48:45):
Nope, well it's not. Andthe reason being is because every human being
is different. All of our personalitiesare different, how we handle situations are
different. So every single divorce iscompletely different than your friend, your family
member, or your brother or yoursister or whatever it may be. Every
case is different and that's why youwant counsel is because every case is different.

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This tex says, my oldest isten. Her bio dad hasn't been
in the picture at all since shewas one. If my wife and I
decide to file for adoption, isthere any way he can throw a wrench
in the process. What do youthink, Jeff, No, I don't
you know. The requirement of theadoption statute says, when you're doing an
adoption with that consent meaning the individualwill not agree to the adoption, then

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you have to prove A or Beither A they have failed to maintain a
substantial relationship in twelve of the lastfourteen months from the date that you file
for adoption or b they've failed topay child support in that same timeframe.
So that's hurtle number one. Youknow, those are typically they go hand

(01:49:58):
in hand. If somebody hasn't hada relationship, that typically have it page
on support, although there are exceptionsto the rule because people do work and
they do intercept cash and that sortof thing. But the first hurdle is
the a WOP for adoption without consent, which is what those requirements are,
and then you know the next stepis the best interest. Now. The
only wrench that could ever be thrownin sometimes is when you're dealing with an

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Indian child the case, so whenyou're dealing with a Native American child,
you deal with something called IQUA Ic WA, the Indian Child Welfare Act,
and that act has a specific requirementthat says that there have to be
substantial efforts to try and you know, reunify the child with that parent.

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Now, you know, obviously there'slots of caste on this, there's lots
of lots of things. Is theidea that the Native American tribes want to
keep Native children with Native parents ifpossible. Obviously, the tribes are pragmatic,
They understand that that's not always thecase, but there is this extra
step, so you know it maynot be a monkey wrinch per se,

(01:51:00):
other than to say, you know, there's an extra step involved if if
it's a Native American child. Butyou know, if the guy has been
off the radar and you don't knowwhere he's at and he's not seen the
child, he's not paid anything,and you've tried to reach out throughout the
years to try to get him tosee the child or whatever, and he's
just ignored. You know you've doneyour due diligence at that point and there

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shouldn't be any issues. Jeff Fensley'sjoining us from Hensley and Associates And Jeff,
this question has to do with theadoption. Where do married couples start
the adoption process as first time parents. If I'm understanding that correctly, it
sounds like a filing issue. Imean, the requirement for marriage in the

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state of Oklahoma for an adoption isthat the people have to be married for
at least a year. Doesn't matterif you're a homosexual couple or if you're
a heterosexual couple. The requirement isto be married one year by the time
that the adoption is completed, allright, so we would file a petition
to get that started. And aslong as you've been married at least a
year by the time that we finish, that meets the requirement of the statute.

(01:52:08):
And there's no issues. As faras first time parents, I'm not
sure I understand that portion of thequestion, other than to say, you
know, there's no state required classes. There's no state funded classes that I'm
aware of for parents who are adoptingand becoming first time parents. I mean,
as we all know as parents ourselves, that there's no manual that's handed

(01:52:30):
out with each baby that pops outso that we know how to handle and
raise them and that sort of thing. We kind of have to muddle our
way through it. And luckily,there are great resources out there for any
parents, whether it be first timeor others, for classes on dealing with
children and different age groups and thingsthat that nature. A lot of those
can be done through Family and Children'sServices here in Tulsa. There's some that

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can be done through the DBIS grouphere in Tulsa as well, But there's
no manual phrasing children than these classes. So you know, the step one
is to call us so that wecan get the petition filed and get everything
rolling for you. When you're goingto adopt, do you just call a
service out of the blue or shouldyou go through an attorney? Well,

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you remember, there's different types ofadoptions, and what I mean by that
is this. There are step parentadoptions, which is the bulk of what
we do, okay, where somebodyhas remarried and the other parent has disappeared
or is not involved, and sothe new spouse wants to adopt that child
as their own. It's a stepparentadoption. And then you've got, you
know, a regular open adoption ora regular adoption where any somebody gives birth,

(01:53:42):
a lady gives you know, alady gives birth to a child,
and somebody wants to adopt that child, whether it be a married couple or
a single individual or whatever it maybe. You know, and then it
gets down to is that an openadoption? Is it a closed adoption?
These are all things that have tobe considered, but really those are the
two is step parent and you knowopen adoptions. There are adoptions too where,

(01:54:05):
for example, a child has beenremoved from a home in a deprived
child case and has gone into thefoster system that a foster parent wants to
adopt. But did answer your question. I think I may have straight a
little bit there, Corbin. Iapologize. I was trying to just kind
of cover all the kind of adoptionsthere are. Yeah, I think I

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think what I'm really asking is,if me and my wife go we want
to adopt somebody, we want toadopt a child, how do we start
that process. Is it best togo through an attorney first, or do
we just cold call up a fostercare service? Well, you know,
it's always it's always best to gothrough an attorney, I think in my
opinions, and I don't say thatbecause you know that's what I do for

(01:54:46):
a living. I think there's anadvantage to be done in the sense that
you're going to deal with somebody whois going to help walk you through the
process from start to finish, sothat you can have that happen. Now,
a lot of times people will comein and say, Okay, I
know this young lady and she's wantingto give up her child for adoption,
and my wife and I want toadopt, and and that's when we start
looking at those adoptions. You know, and of course if you want to

(01:55:11):
adopt it. If you're from outof state and you want to adopt an
Oklahoma child, then obviously we candeal with that as well. Then that's
dealing with the interstate compact rules andthat sort of thing. But you know,
you always, I think it's alwaysbetter to call an attorney, especially
to get your questions answered before youstart the process and understand exactly how things
are going to go, as opposedto kind of just muddling through or trying

(01:55:31):
to do your own research on theinternet. Because remember, whatever's on the
internet is not always correct, benot specific to your case, and see
it's not always the best information.So you know, that's why you wouldn't
give us a call so we canhelp you through those questions. Look,
if you need help with a divorceor an adoption, or a name change,

(01:55:54):
or an adult guardianship or a regularguardianship, Jeff and the folks at
Insling Associates can help with those anyfamily law scenario. Jeff can help us.
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(01:56:35):
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(01:57:40):
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Join us on the rout line rightnow is Jeff Hensley from Hensley and Associates.
Hey, buddy, how are you. I'm hanging in there. How
are you guys doing good? It'sgood to hear from you. Jeff is

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here to answer your questions about divorce, custody, guardianship, name change,
any of the things that come alongwith family law. Jeff can answer those
questions. So get your question tous. A couple of ways to do
that. You can text it,BMMS and whatever that question is to eight
two nine four five. You canemail it show at kmod dot com,
or you can call nine one eightfour six, oh KMOD. First one

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I have for you, Jeff,is do I need to hire a lawyer
in an uncontested divorce? Aren't Ijust wasting money? Well, as we've
talked throughout the years many times,and you said it over and over,
it's fine until it's not. Youknow, it's it's uncontested until it's not,
and it's usually when it's caught onone thing and that's when it all

(02:00:06):
blows up. And so it's alwaysgood to have for that reason. But
also too, you want to makesure the documents that you're you know,
trying to file out the court arecorrect. I mean, I've talked to
the court liaison several times throughout,you know, over the years, or
a number of times over the years, and the amount of papwork that they
get that is incorrect because what theydon't have lawyers is problematic in the sense

(02:00:30):
that you know, uh, youmay take it in to get it signed
by the judge and they'll tell youit's wrong and you'll go back. I've
heard as many as six or seventimes before you may finally get it right
over a period of months, whereasif you hired an attorney, you could
get it done right the first time, one time only, and then you'd
be done. So you know,uh, it's not wasting money. It's

(02:00:53):
money well spent in the sense thatyou're making sure that everything is correct,
the paperwork is correct, the procedurescorrect. You know the judges, we
know the courthouses, we know theclerks, we know all the things that
are required. So it's definitely notwasting money in any way shape or Jeff
Finsley's joining us from Hensley and Associates. If you have a question about a
divorce, custody, maybe a childvisitation, he can answer how those questions

(02:01:17):
can not be navigated. If youget your question to us email addresses show
at kmody dot com. You cantext it BMMS and whatever that question is
to eight two nine four five,or you can call at nine one eight
four six oh kmod Some one saysmy wife told me she has been cheating
on me and once divorced. Thatwas a year ago. Every time I
talked to her, I ask ifshe has filed. She hasn't. Are

(02:01:39):
we jeopardizing anything by not living togetherand not getting divorced? You're not jeopardizing
anything per se. I mean youwould think that if he wants out,
he would have filed as well already. But with that being said, there's
no jeopardizing. I mean by steparating, you've now delineated exactly when that separation

(02:02:01):
date is. And that separation date'simportant because when you're looking at any debts
that have been incurred, or anythingelse that's been purchased, or anything done
after the data separation, that's onthat person individually, rather than on the
marriage itself. So you know,however long you said they've been, I
think it's said in a year nowthat they've been separated. Anything that they've

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done during that year on their ownand their own names and everything is on
them solely. So she's gone outand blown twenty five thousand dollars on credit
cards or whatever it may be,that is all on her and not on
him, So it's not really hurtinganything in any way, shape or form.
If there's a house that's involved,that it might get interesting in regards

(02:02:44):
to dealing with the equity and thosesorts of things. But again, even
then, anything that's done after thedata separation is one of those things that
is going to be solely on theindividual that has the house. So said,
I don't think it's a there's anyharm and anything at this point.
Again, you've already delineated everything.You've made a hard fast data as to

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how we need to divide things up, so it's not necessarily a bad thing
at all. You've mentioned before thatthere's a cooling off period, and I
don't recall the parameters, but thereare parameters for a cooling off period when
you get divorced. Right, Soin state of Oklahoma, there's two cooling
off periods. If there are nochildren involved, right, there has to

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be a period of at least elevendays that have passed from the date that
you file for a divorce before ajudge can sign a decree. So you
file it on the first of May, the judge can't sign the decree until
the eleventh of May. Now,if you've got children involved, there's a
ninety day waiting period or ninety daycooling off period that is required that in

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that sense, and it's the sameas the as the eleven day. You
know, if you file on firstninety days and has to pass before the
judge can sign that decree. Nowthere are are there are some counties that
do waive the ninety days. Someare very good about waiving it and others
are not. So it just reallydepends on which county you're in. But

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the law says there's a ninety daywaiting period unless it's waved by the court
in some way. Stack says,my husband took the guns out of the
house and hid them. I havepictures of all them. Can I use
the pictures in mediation? Absolutely?Absolutely. The good thing about taking pictures
is, you know, assuming youcan know what kind of gun it is,

(02:04:35):
and of course gun collectors as ageneral rule will have a list of
what those guns are so they canhave a value on them. But you're
basically the good part about pictures isyou can say, look, I know
for a fact that you had ayou know, a moss Birg rifle,
or you had a you know,Smith and Weston AR fifteen or whatever it

(02:04:57):
may be, and I know afact that, based upon the market research,
it's worth this amount of money.So it's good to have simply because
that way you can start listing allthe things that can be dealt with in
the mediation that requires a certain monetaryamount. So you know, if the
picture shows twelve guns in the safeand the other side is saying no,

(02:05:20):
no, I've only got five,you can say, well, actually,
here's the picture that I took beforeyou took all the guns, and there's
actually twelve in there. So youknow, it's a very good thing to
take pictures of anything in your house, especially when it comes down to things
that are in collections, like youknow, guns or coins or anything that

(02:05:41):
you collect. Those are great tohave. That way the other side can't
say, well, you know,actually there's only this amount, and you
can say, well, actually,i've got a picture that shows that I
took right before you took everything,that shows all these things. So it's
very wise actually to take pictures.And I encourage all my clients to take
pictures of those sorts of things sothat we can use them in in the
case itself. So it's a goodthing to do. Jeff Heinsley's joined us

(02:06:03):
from Hensley and Associates. If youhave a question about divorce or custody or
guardianship or any of those things.Jeff can answer those questions right now.
The email addresses show at kmod dotcom. You can text your question BMMS
and whatever that is, or youcan call it nine one eight four to
six ozho kmod. This one says, we have not finalized divorce. Matter
of fact, I just filed,but she has already sold the ring.

(02:06:25):
Am I entitled to any of themoney from the sale or should she not
have sold the ring at all?Okay, so let's talk about wedding rings.
There's this big mixconception, especially whenyou're talking about a very expensive ring,
okay, that the individual that boughtit is entitled to whatever portion they
think they're entitled to, fifty percentor otherwise. Wedding rings are considered gifts,

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period. So if you choose tobuy your soon to be new wife
a fifty thousand dollars ring with theyellow canary diamond in it or whatever it
may be, that's a gift.You're not getting that back. So that's
how the judges, and that's howmost everybody handles rings. Is their gifts,

(02:07:10):
whether you like it or not.So you know, if she wants
to sell it. That's up toher. That's her gift from you,
and it's not something that will bedivided in the marital of state. Jennifer
is on the line, Jennifer,go ahead, Jennifer. You're on with
Jeff Hensley of Hensley and Associates.Okay, so here's my big question.
We have lived together and properties paidoff for sixteen years, three kids,

(02:07:35):
which who still live there. Sodo I just fire outfit work or and
just stay in the same residence throughoutthe whole thing because I don't have anywhere
else to live in the meantime.Well, I mean that's up to you.
I mean, if you don't haveany other place to go, then
yes, that's that is an optionfor you to do. Are the kids

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grown? Are they still underage?Yeah, they're still elementary. Well we
got one on one. Yeah,okay. But the reason I okay,
I gotcha. The reason I askis that if you are going to leave
because you find some place that youcan go live, whether it be with
a family member or friend or whatever. You know, I always tell people

(02:08:18):
to be sure, and you knowyou want to take your children with you
all right now? If you can'tafford to go anywhere else, then you
know you'll stay in that same residence, unless, of course, you know,
if there is a factor of abuseor you know, something of that
nature, you can always feel freeto get a protective order if it rises

(02:08:39):
to the level of a protective orderfor physical abuse or something of that nature.
So you know, if a protectiveorder is granted, then he will
right you can't get a protective orderfor that that that's what the protective order
statute is not contemplated for those sortsof things. They're more for physical and

(02:09:03):
harassment and stalking and things of thatnature. But my point of it is
if for some reason it got tothat point of physical you could get a
protective order, at which point theprotective order can require him to be kicked
out and forciately removed from the home. So that's the only reason I bringing
that up. Does he have somewherehe can go? Is there a family

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member close for him or anything likethat. I think we both lived there
for so long and it's just neitherone of us or wanting to leave.
But at the same time, youknow, we've just been on this road
of not getting along for so long. I understand, and this is something
that a lot of families have todeal with and contemplate because the cost of

(02:09:46):
obviously running two households or two homesis very expensive, and so a lot
of times people will stay in thesame residence simply and they just you know,
stay in different rooms and they stayaway from each other during the process.
Is the do you own the home? Is it rented? Do you
what interest? Do you have homesto own the home? But I mean,

(02:10:07):
we do have the stop that hecould. But that's I think why
we survived this long because he's gotthis like maintain that he can go to.
Right, So you know, unfortunately, the court can't force anybody out
until there's a temporary order. Imean, if there's a temporary order that
says that you're awarded the virital residentsand he needs to leave, that is

(02:10:30):
obviously an option and that is somethingthat can happen. But again we've got
to file for divorce and get infront of a judge on a temporary order.
If you'll give your name a numberto Gimpe, I can give you
a call later this week and wecan talk a little more about your options
when we have more time. Right. Thank you, You're welcome, h
Jeff. Just an example of divorcecan be a simple thing, but it

(02:10:54):
can be quite complicated and they're allso different. Absolutely, I mean no
two divorces are the same. Asyou've heard it said so many times throughout
the years we've done this, Corbyn. People will say, well, I've
talked to my friend who you know, his case is exactly like mine.
Nope, it's not. And thereason being is because every human being is

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different. All of our personalities aredifferent, how we handle situations are different.
So every single divorce is completely differentthan your friend or your family member,
or your brother or your sister orwhatever it may be. Every case
is different, and that's why youwant counsel is because every case is different.

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This Tex says, my oldest isten. Her bio dad hasn't been
in the picture at all since shewas one. If my wife and I
decide to file for adoption, isthere any way he can throw a wrench
in the process? What do youthink, Jeff? No, I don't
you know it. The requirement ofthe Adoption Statute says when you're doing an
adoption without consent, meaning the individualwill not agree to the adoption, then

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you have to prove A or Beither A they have failed to maintain a
substantial relationship in twelve of the lastfourteen months from the date that you file
for adoption, or B they've failedto pay child support in that same timeframe.
So that's hurdle number one. Youknow, those are typically they go

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hand in hand. If somebody hasn'thad a relationship, they typically have it
pay child support, although there areexceptions to the rule because people do work
and they do intercept cash and thatsort of thing. But the first hurdle
is the a WOP for adoption withthat consent, which is what those requirements
are, and then you know,the next step is the best interest.
Now, the only rent that couldever be thrown in sometimes is when you're

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dealing with an Indian child. Okay, so when you're dealing with a Native
American child, you deal with somethingcalled IQUA ICWA, the Indian Child Welfare
Act, and that Act has aspecific requirement that says that there have to
be substantial efforts to try and uh, you know, reunify the child with

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that parent. Now, you know, obviously there's lots of caseeal on this.
There's lots of lots of Things,says. The idea is that the
Native American tribes want to keep Nativechildren with Native parents if possible. Obviously,
the tribes are pragmatic. They understandthat that's not always the case.
But there is this extra step,so you know, it may not be
a monkey rinch per se, otherthan to say, you know, there's

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an extra step involved if there's ifit's a Native American child. But you
know, if the guy who hasbeen off the radar and you don't know
where he's at, and he's notseen the child, he's not paid anything,
and and you've tried to reach outthroughout the years to try to get
him to see the child or whatever, and he's just ignored. You know
you've done your due diligence at thatpoint and there shouldn't be any issues.

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Jeff Fensley's joining us from Hensley andAssociates and Jeff, this question has to
do with the adoption. Where domarried couple start the adoption process as first
time parents? If I'm understanding thatcorrectly, it sounds like a filing issue.
I mean, the requirement for marriagein the state of Oklahoma for an

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adoption is that the people have tobe married for at least a year.
Doesn't matter if you're a homosexual coupleor if you're a heterosexual couple. The
requirement is to be married one yearby the time that the adoption is completed,
all right, So we would filea petition to get that started,
and as long as you've been marriedat least a year by the time that

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we finish, that meets the requirementof the statute. And there's no issues.
As far as first time parents,I'm not sure I understand that portion
of the question, other than tosay, you know, there's no state
required classes. There's no state fundedclasses that I'm aware of for parents who
are adopting and becoming first time parents. I mean, as we all know

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as parents ourselves, that there's nomanual that's handed out with each baby that
pops out so that we know howto handle and raise them and that sort
of thing. We kind of haveto muddle our way through it. And
luckily, there are great resources outthere for any parents, whether it be
first time or others, for classeson dealing with children and different age groups
and things that nature. A lotof those can be done through Family and

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Children's Services here in Tulsa, there'ssomething that can be done through the DVIIs
Group PARENTSULSA as well, but there'sno manual phrasing children other than these classes.
So you know, the step oneis to call us so that we
can get the petition filed and geteverything rolling for you. When you're going
to adopt, do you just calla service out of the blue or should

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you go through an attorney? Well, you remember, there's different types of
adoptions, and what I mean bythat is this, there are step parent
adoptions, which is the bulk ofwhat we do. Okay, where somebody
has remarried and the other parent hasdisappeared or is not involved, and so
the new spouse wants to adopt thatchild as their own. It's a step

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an adoption. And then you've got, you know, a regular open adoption
or a regular adoption where any somebodygives birth, a lady gives you know,
a lady gives birth to a child, and somebody wants to adopt that
child, whether it be a marriedcouple or a single individual or whatever it
may be. You know, andthen it gets down to is it an
open adoption is a closed adoption?These are all things that have to be

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considered. But really those are thetwo is step parent and you know,
open adoptions. There are adoptions towhere, for example, a child has
been removed from a home in adeprived child case and has gone into the
foster system that a foster parent wantsto adopt. But did answer your question.

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I think I may have strayed alittle bit there, Corbyn. I
apologize. I was trying to justkind of cover all the kind of adoptions
there are. Yeah, I thinkI think what I'm really asking is,
if me and my wife go wewant to adopt somebody, we want to
adopt a child, how do westart that process. Is it best to
go through an attorney or do wejust cold call up a foster care service?

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Well, you know, it's alwaysit's always best to go through an
attorney, I think in my opinions, and I don't say that because you
know that's what I do for aliving. I think there's an advantage to
be done in the sense that you'regoing to deal with somebody who is going
to help walk you through the processfrom start to finish, so that you
can have that happen. Now,a lot of times people will come in
and say, okay, I knowthis young lady and she's wanting to give

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up her child for adoption, andmy wife and I want to adopt,
and and that's when we start lookingat those adoptions, you know. And
of course if you want to adoptit, if you're from out of state
and you want to adopt an Oklahomachild, then obviously we can deal with
that as well. Then that's dealingwith the interstate compact rules and that sort
of thing. But you know,you always, I think it's always better

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to call an attorney, especially toget your questions answered before you start the
process and understand exactly how things aregoing to go, as opposed to kind
of just muddling through or trying todo your own research on the internet.
Because remember, whatever's on the internetis a not always correct, be not
specific to your case, and seeit's not always the best information. So

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you know, that's why you wouldn'tgive us a call. So who can
help you through those questions? Look, if you need help with a divorce
or an adoption, or a namechange, or an adult guardianship or a
regular guardianship, Jeff and the folksat Heinsleyan Associates can help with those any
family law scenario, Jeff can helpus. Just in the news that Brad
and Angelina Jolie Pitt's kids changing theirname. She just turned eighteen. Jeff

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and the folks in Hinsley Associates couldhelp her with that if they if she
chose them. So, if you'relooking for a family law issue to be
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the law too, that's right throughour BAYSCA office. Okay, we handle

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everything else in addition to family laws. So if you've got the DUI or
any criminal case, no matter whatit is, possession charge, or you
want to get something expunged off yourrecord, or you know you've got an
issue dealing with some sort of arrestor warrant out for you arrest, please
give us a call. We'd behappy to help you. If you've been

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heard in a car wreck, wehandle carrex or any other personal injury case
we can help you with. Ifyou've been hurt by somebody, in the
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case. If you've got a contractthat needs reviewing, or someone has just
passed away and now their estate istied up in probate court. In the
probate court, we can help youwith that. If you need a will

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drafted up or a trust drafted up, you know, literally anything in addition
to family law. We do,and we do through our wonderful people out
in Pahasca that help us with that, So please give them a direct call.
It's the Shoemaker Law firm out there, different name, but same Hintsley.
It's just been around there forever andwhen we didn't want to change the

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name. But or you could callus in Tulsa and we can get Jake
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And if you mentioned KMOD you geta free consultation of the phone.
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you do, take care, guys. We'll be back Tilsa's Morning Show,
The Big Bad Boarding Show. Theassault continues next ninety seven to fived Good
morning, It's the Big Mad MorningShow. Four six oh kmod. You

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can also text BMMS and then whatyou want to say to eight two nine
four five. So apparently, lindsay, are you familiar with a town called
Westfield? In no? It isit south? Now south to Indiana?

(02:21:05):
Now this says it's north of Indianapolis. Well, apparently this man, Herb
Baumeister, has an eighteen acre propertythere and he for nearly thirty years after
nearly thirty years after this guy killedhimself, he was on the run from
authorities. They've been trying to gothrough this eighteen acre property and they have

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unearthed ten thousand pieces of human remainsoh oh wow, mostly crushed and burned
skeletal fragments of teenage boys and youngmen whom they say he had abducted and
murdered in the eighties and nineties.The corner has announced that the remains recovered

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from the farm have been positively identifiedas a couple of individuals, one of
them, Jeffrey Jones, went missingin nineteen ninety three. They believe he's
the third victim to have been identifiedin the recent months. There's additional DNA
profiles found on the property, butthey have not been identified, bringing the
total number of victims to twelve sofar. Quote Because of the many remains

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were found burn and crush, theinvestigation is extremely challenging. The team of
law enforcement forensic specialists working in thecase remain committed. This dude was a
businessman and married father of three,and he hunted gay teens and men in
central Andyana beginning in the late eighties, and he's believed to have killed at
least twenty five people. And heused a fake name named Brian Smart when

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he targeted young gay men at bars. Jones was the third victim identified by
the coroner's office recently. Before him, they identified Alan Livingston, who went
missing in ninety three, and ManuelRascindez, who vanished in ninety six.
This guy moved into the farmstead withhis family in eighty eight and they had

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apparently like a big area where hehad been disposing of these decomposed remains,
and his teenage son discovered a skulland took it to the mother. The
wife blocked law enforcement from searching theproperty initially. She later divorced her husband

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as more evidence began to pile upagainst them. Authorities eventually searched the property
when he wasn't home and found thebodies of several victims. He was forty
nine at the time. He fledto Canada, Canada, and after a
warrant was put out for his arrests, he killed himself. He was never
charged with the murders, and hedid not admit to any of the crimes

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in a suicide note. They weremany and identified bones and bone fragments had
been sitting in storage till it wasdecided to open That reopened the case in
ninety six. Uh oh about missingpersons. The County Corner's office, along
with the FBI, State Police Laboratory, and the Biology and Anthropology department at

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the University of Indianapolis, and DNAexperts from a Texas company all working to
identify all the victims. I mean, ten thousand pieces of human remains could
just be a few people. Yep, right right, you hear ten thousand
pieces. That sounds and it isa lot. Ten thousand of anything is
a lot. But I mean,if they're tiny, little pieces, it

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could really only just be one person. Yeah, you know, but by
the sounds of it, he wasjust going after these gay men, killing
them and then burying them in thebankyard for being gay. That's what I
was trying to figure out. Washe doing it because they were gay?
Or was he attracted to him andlike doing things and like got caught and
then killed him, or was helike another Well what does that mean?

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Like because he had a thing forthe gay men and then he would eat
him. He was a cannibal cannibal, same type of guy. Yeah,
I would suspect there's no way ofknowing. He was probably someone who was
suppressing his feelings and decided to punishothers for those feelings as well to try
and deal with his right, ifI was guessing, that would make it

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psychologically. And I think it's alsoa classic example of you don't know who
you're married to, no, oryour neighbor, I mean neighbor for sure.
Yeah, but that Yeah, hiswife had no idea. Not only
did he potentially because we're only speculatingin this, but had homosexual affairs,

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right, I think that's probably safeto assume. Probably, and then come
to find out he'd been murdering himtoo, Yeah, because no one can
find out, right, how many? Because she the skull got brought to
the kid was like, look atthe skull I found, Mom, how

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many body parts would your kids needto bring to you before you let the
police search? Because she wouldn't letthe police on initially, right, Oh,
I think it would only take atone, just that one, just
the one. I find one onmy property and I'm calling the authorities,
yimpy, doesn't matter what body partit is, sure whatever you if the

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kid comes up with the foot,yeah, only one, right, But
if it's just like a r randombone, you know, we're not one
hundred percent sure. If it's youknow, dead coons or whatever, dead
animal because lived on a farm,that would make sense. I guess I'd
have to know what kind of boneit is. If it's a skull,

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for sure, call on police.One bone. My kid found a skull.
I don't know whose it is.It's not my skull short of it
not being an animal skull, rightright, you could clearly see that it's
a human skull. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely that's the one.
Hey, just want to let youknow a boy found this digging for rocks
in the backyard. Just think youshould know. Yeah, I mean,

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if it's a skull, one hundredpercent, If it is a bone that
I am not sure of, Iwould probably call the authorities and go,
hey, we found some in ouryard. It's kind of suspicious. Nothing's
going to explode, but we'd likeyou to come look at it, you
know what I mean. Like,I'm trying not to raise any alarms right
right, of course, but Ialso want to document it right right,

(02:27:41):
so that way it doesn't come backas you were hiding things. Yeah,
because when they're like, I'm mistergimpy, we saw here that the bones
were found on your property five yearsago, but you failed to do anything
because you said, quote, that'sjust some raccoonss leave me alone. Yep.
I don't want that. I wantit disclosed immediately right right, Like

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I said, if you could clearlysee that it's a human bone of swords,
that makes sense. Yeah. No, I'm saying even if I right
it better have a goddamn beak,right something. How much money am I
going to get for these? I'mjust I want it documented. I don't

(02:28:28):
want that bouncing back on me.As we learned with that story, we
read about off air, right right, it can get turned around real fast.
So this text comes in, whatif your if your kid finds a
skull, do you lawyer up beforecalling the cops or do you just call
the cops immediately? Okay, Sothe progression the order should be this call

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the authorities and I would not raisealarms. I would say, I want
you to check something suspicious. Andif they're like, we'd like to talk
to you about all this, thenyou bring a lawyer, right, cops
the lawyer, Yeah, yeah,because if you call a lawyer first and
then the cops, that automatically itmakes you look bad, right you think

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anyway? Uh, well, there'sthis phrase that I'm a big fan of,
and that is I don't care howit looks right, right, because
what is what is the detective's jobright to find answer the guilty? Yeah,
right to find the guilty. Howthey get there right is not I'm

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not saying they don't care, butbecause they obviously want to find the right
person. Yeah, but they wantto find who's guilty. Yeah. If
you think about it, I mean, if you get land developed any where
you buy a plot of land,I mean there's been a lot of history
in the world. We don't knowwho's buried where we in this building could
have dead bodies underneath us right nowand we wouldn't under ye know what I

(02:29:56):
mean. So, but I guessthat's when the authorities would be able to
come in and be like, allright, this is a bone from you
know, nineteen thirty seven or whatever, eighteen eighty six. If they find
a bone on your body, sorry, present a lot of them. When
they find a bone on your property, you can bet they're gonna do more

(02:30:16):
investigation on your property and you'll probablyhave to leave. Yeah, goo goole,
find a Motel six somewhere. AndI don't think insurance covers that.
I don't think they put you upright. You now are at a potential
crime scene, right yeah, Sonow we're at a question of I mean,

(02:30:41):
I was gonna call, but Ididn't want to leave my house a
headache. We had a birthday partyplanned. Oh man, you put me
out for months. We had aplayful promises party plan where they buy the
lingerie. You know, my inlaws are coming to visit. They booked
this trip. They had it plannedfor so long. Oh no, you'd
want them to come if your inlaws were coming, you'd be like,

(02:31:03):
yeah, no, let's go startyour investigation. Well, Cloudy, sorry,
I can't have company police involvement.No, got to take a break.
We'll be back. The Big ManMorning Show returns next Toosa's Morning Show
ninety Good morning, It's The BigMan Morning Show. Six kmod can also

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text BMMS and then what you wantto say to eight two nine four five
lindsay, what'd you learn today?I learned that Gimpi's dog showed him how
they'll turo all over the place ifhe's gone too long, and some players
will go to extreme lengths to nothave to play for the Washington commanders.
Gimb What you learned today? Well, I learned that I really missed the

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Irish zookeeper stever one and and andhere BUCkies, we don't take kindly to
you, trucker Tames No no.Uh. I learned they didn't believe he
broke his leg coffee, so theyzigg and zanged and they found out he
had old bones. He's the doctorname. Uh. I learned that guy's
wife found out that there was abone in her husband's backyard, and she

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didn't want the police search, andshe needed more than she could handle.
To finally end it, Corbyn say, make sure that dishwasher is loaded right,
it's Lindsay stopped tracking my cycle?Yes is Gimby? Sorry it to

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