March 25, 2024 • 29 mins
Tyler Ryan speaks with Members of Palmetto Wildlife Rescue and Rehab of South Carolina. The group discusses the origins of the agency, the programs offered, and ways to get involved.
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show notes for the iPad or iPadLook at Me podcast. Good gracious,
i'mnine hundred and seven years old today, So there we are, but so
so happy you join us as youguys do week after week for these shows.
And you know many of us canagree, and I used to.
I know I can speak for myselfthat animals in most cases are better than
human beings. It's just fundamentally true. They really don't know a whole lot
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except being safe, being in danger, protecting. They're loyal, and it's
not just dogs. That's why itoften ways heavy on our hearts when we
see injured animals. The bird hittingthe window, the little turtle who didn't
quite win at the game of reallife, Frogger trying to get across the
street, oh so slow. Now, as we continue to build Hoa after
hoa, we're driving these animals,these wild animals, closer and closer to
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us. We're taking away their homes, and in turn, on many occasions
and by accident, we end upwith interactions that end up in these almost
being injured for one reason or another. It's that motivation to protect injured animals,
to rehabilitate injured animals, and asmany cases as possible, reintroduce them
back to their natural habitat, youknow, specifically as wild animals. That
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drove a group of large hearted individualsto create Palmetto Wildlife Rescue and Rehabilitation.
So joining me this morning two ofthe founders, Heather Cooper and Virginia LaGrand.
Now, Virginia's going to join usin a few minutes, but I'll
say good morning to you, Heather, Good morning, Thank you for joining
us this morning. Absolutely, we'reexcited. Well, tell us a little
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bit about you guys, your background. I know this this organization is fairly
new and we're going to get intoit here in a bit, But tell
us about your background. When Virginiajumps on, we can we can learn
hers as well. But what youknow, what was your backup that made
you decide that you wanted to,you know, get together and create such
an organization. Yeah, most ofus, like all our lives, we
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have been animal lovers from morning extendto another. As I've gotten into my
adulthood, I've had a few friends, including Virginia, that have stepped in
and been rescuing wildlife. Whether theyjust grew up in South Carolina and it
was something that their parents did someof they knew just did it out of
their homes. We kind of startedreaching out to people and learning how to
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do it right. And here recentlyone of the bigger wildlife rescues in the
area has stopped being able to seeRaby's vector species like raccoons, possums,
and say, with that, wejust kind of took the opportunity to put
together our little friendship group and makeit official and so that way we can
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be there to help the animals thatother organizations are not able to anymore.
Understand, Virginia, looks like you'rewith us. Good morning to you,
good morning. Can you hear me? Okay, we can hear you,
just fine, just fine, aswe were just we had just started the
show. I'm glad you made itbetter late than never, for sure.
Tell us a little bit about you, Virginny. Tell us your background.
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You know what, what motivated youto want to go ahead and get passionate
about the animals. Well, Igrew up with lots of cats and dogs
in the occasional raccoon or possum andthe occasional skunk as well. You find
them on the side of the roador the neighbor finds them, and we
were just the house that they cameto to grow up. And so recently
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in the last few years, itjust kind of seems like we kept getting
raccoons right. And so last year, when another local rehab stopped taking in
raccoons, we kind of unofficially startedbeing the people to call. And so
I just kind of put together agroup of people that they're rehabbed and sent
them back out into the world tolive their best life. But uh so
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this year we made it official witha bigger group and a five and not
and and getting help from other peopleis absolutely amazing. And seeing the look
on someone's face when you educate themabout how a raccoon is not as scary
as you've been told, when theysee when they feel the fer it's just
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an amazing It's an amazing thing.They raccoons are so cute, but you
know, so are so are youknow, I don't know panda bears,
and I don't know i'd give oneof those a hug. I'm just throwing
that out there. Well, Idefinitely don't suggest you just walk up to
any raccoon and give them a hug. Okay, I think I think that's
an important lesson kids. These kindsare professionals. If you're you know,
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do not hug a random raccoon doneso. So So you guys, you
kind of created this group and yousaid, hey, let's let's do this
for real. Yeah, we justyou know, we have people in our
organization that have as little as twoyears experience, all the way up to
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fifteen twenty years experience. You know, most of us have done this in
South Carolina for those time frames,and then others have done it in other
states and have different knowledge and differentbackgrounds with other animals being in different parts
of the country. So I thinkthat's one thing that makes us unique.
We each kind of have our specialtyor our preference that balances out the group.
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We have some that just want todo the little neonates that are tiny,
tiny babies. We have some thatlike to do the older ones.
We have people that you know,want to focus on just deer and rabbits.
So it's nice to have everybody thathas a little special area. That
way, no matter what we get, we've got somebody that is ready to
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jump in and is knowledgeable on thoseanimals. Speaking of this morning on Carolina
Cares, the two of the foundersof the pome outa wildlife and rehabilitation organization
of five POT one C three herein South Carolina. So, you guys,
how was how hard was it tokind of set this up? So
I'll let you take that. Yeah, So, honestly, like this has
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always been a dream of mine.I've always wanted to do it. And
I said, hey, when mykids are old enough, this is what
I'm going to do to keep myselfbusy. Well my youngest to our juniors
in high school, and they're atthat point where I don't get to spend
as much time with them. Well, then, you know, certain things
happened around us with other rehab groups, and other people started reaching out to
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me, and Heather and I havealways talked about having our own rehab group,
and we said, you know what, let's talk to these people and
let's see what we have to do. So we started looking into it.
And I looked into it and Isaid, oh God, that's a lot
of paperwork. And I said,but you know what, we all met
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and we started seeing these big dreamsthat we have that it did come true.
And so I did the paperwork andI buckled in and I typed up
probably fifty pages in the first twodays, and then I submitted the application
for the five O one C threeto the IRS, and I filled out
everything with the Secretary of State andwent to the bank and opened an account.
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And the next thing you know,we've got a po box and we're
getting donations, and we've got awebsite that Haather built. Oh my god,
our website is amazing. Heathery's donea great job with it. Heather
runs all of our social media,she does our website, plus she does
that while taking care of a wholebunch of baby squirrels. So this has
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been quite the undertaking, especially consideringwe just had that meeting of the minds
back the first week of February,so we've only been in this, you
know, a couple months. Yeah, sure, and we're just taken off
and it's like there is obviously we'refilling a hole so where there was such
a need, because we're getting phonecalls every day about animals that are in
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need. Some of these phone calls, luckily we get to answer and there's
reunifications. We're able to educate themon how to put the babies back with
mom and dad is Our ultimate goalis to not have to take in babies.
We want the public to know howto reunify mom, but reunify the
babies with mom. But if that'snot the case, then we are more
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than happy. And hopefully, youknow, if the public knows more about
us, we're going to have theresources that are needed to keep feeding these
babies. Buy them their little pools, buy them their little fish, buy
them with they need, have theirproper caging, and teach them what they
need to do to be wild liketheir mom would, and then let them
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go. And that's our goal isto I mean, none of these species
are danger right now, but Imean if the rate things are going,
how long will it be until theyare well? You know that's talking I
think before you joined us this morning, Virginia, you know I'm seeing the
influx we all are. You know, with all these I can tell you
about Lexington, you know all theseage Every time I turn around, what
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was field or woodland six months agois now you know, two hundred houses.
Well, so I see him.I go to work every morning at
two in the morning, and Isee wildlife every day right in the middle
of the road because they got nowhere to go. You know, they're
where are they supposed to go?We keep taking their houses away, and
so I think there's that's why there'san influx of all this, you know,
we see unfortunately, I see theanimals that get hit. I see
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the deer, and I see thepossum, and I see all these little
guys, and then I also seethem alive and well hanging out. But
there's such an influx of these theseanimals that are like well, heck,
and then they get introduced to humansand and I would like to think most
of the time is not on purpose. But we you know, if it's
a if it's a little guy versusa car, it's not the little guy
that's gonna win. Okay, well, I mean it's definitely they're not gonna
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win. And the thing is iswhat are we gonna have parks and zoos
for them? Is that going tobe the only place they can live?
But I mean, so far,most of the animals that we're taking in
are from trees that are being cutdown. We have some raccoons that were
born in a house under construction,and the construction worker basically got in a
fight with small that was protecting herbabies, and he didn't know there were
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babies. He just thought she wasa wild and crazy raccoon. But most
of the time, when you seeyour raccoons, they're gonna run away.
Raccoons do not want to fight.They are the wimpiest preachers out there.
So I have some in my housethat literally, if you're not gonna meet
them the first time you come over, you're gonna have to come over four
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or five times, and they're gonnahave to hear your voice and smell your
smell before they ever let you seethem. And then you're gonna have to
sit there for a while and letthem check you out. Raccoons do not
want to interact with you. Theywant to go the other way. They
don't want you to see them becausethey are terrified. But if you have
one coming at you, then it'seither one those humans are good and want
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food because someone's been feeding it,or two it's probably a mama protecting her
baby. That makes sense, Thatmakes sense, and that's a fierce mama.
You heard a fierce mama bear,Wait till you've met fierce mama raccoon.
I love it. One thing Heather, I think is interesting too,
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on your webs anyway. But Ithink you and I talked before the show
that you guys don't actually have afacility, and that's probably good. That's
going to help with fundraising too,that you can be funding, you can
raise you can put directly towards theprogram, versus having to worry about swallowing
a great big rent or mortgage oran electric bill. Right. Yeah,
absolutely, And that's one thing thatworks to our advantage right now. Especially
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whenever we are feeding babies every twoor three hours throughout the night or during
the day, some of us haveto take them to our jobs, which
thankfully we had. The ones thatdo work full time are have accommodating bosses
and environments to where they're able todo that. Right The other big thing
that is kind of starting to workagainst us is d n R is working
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with state legislators to try to stopus from being able to do it in
our homes. So it may becomea thing where we have to look into
building a facility, whether it's abarn or a shed that we convert into
a building that has everything that weneed, and then to house these animals,
which is going to be a hugegutting of South Carolina's rehabbers if that
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changes, because ninety nine percent ofrehabbers do it out of their home.
Well, I guess that was goingto be one of my questions. I
know that there are some laws overwhat kind of like exotic animals. You
can have them, but you haveto have licensing. You know. I
think of you know, the tigerking and what's his face over it at
myrtle beach? Who you know havethese animals? You can? You can
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my understanding, you probably know betterthan I. You can have exotic animals,
but they all have to be lice. What does it have to do
with a raccoon or a chipmunk orsquirrel? You're saying right now, there's
really no governing law on that,correct. Well, the South Keelan is
one of the very very few statesthat you do not have to have permits
to either house a raccoon, whetheryou're rehabing or not. And that can
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be a good thing and it canalso be the worst thing possible because there
is no regulation on who is keepingthese animals. It does make things easier
for us as far as paperwork feesthat are associated with permits in that kind
of thing. Right now. Butwe do worry about people that are not
as educated as they should be tryingto keep an animal. Let go,
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I found a squirrel, I wantto help it. They have the best
intentions, but that is one ofthe main reasons why we ask people,
you know, call us immediately.We want them to make sure they don't
feed these animals, especially the babies, and get them to us as soon
as possible. Why don't you babies, especially squirrels and baby raccoons, they
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aspirate so easily, and if theyare fed the wrong formula. And I
know, like you know, beingin South Carolina, like I said,
somebody knows somebody who has rescued one, and they tell them to go get
puppy milk, cat milk, goatmilk, all those kind of things.
But we have perfected the closest thingto mother's milk for these animals. And
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if you give them any other thingother than that formula and do it in
such a gradual way, they willget severely dehydrated. They could cause a
lot of stomach issues and it cannotultimately be deli for them. Wow.
And of course that is the lastthing that we want. And some of
them you know, depending on howlong they've been away from mom, their
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body temperature could be too low tobe able to process food and that can
also put them into shock. Speakingthis morning with Virginia LaGrand and Heather Cooper,
two of the founders of Palmetto Wildlife, Rest You and Rehabilitation based here
in the palm Ota State. PalmetalWildlife sc dot com is their website.
Once again, I'll have that onthe show notes for you, but it's
Palmetal Wildlife sc AS in South Carolina. Uh dot com is how you how
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you get a hold of these thesefolks, the whole team. What what
is Let me back up one.You talk about education. I know on
your website you've got education. Whatdoes that look like? Are those classes
that people can take or what goeson in that kind of thing? Yes,
absolutely, we are offering classes toeven a five year old who just
loves animals and wants to learn more, to somebody who just has a little
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bit of interest wants to know,like you know, Okay, how can
I help if I find a babyor they a teacher who wants to know
so they can teach their class downto the rehabbers that want to do this
with us, so we offer itto everybody who wants to do it.
We are also trying to get intoa setting where we can make visits to
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class rooms to teach kids, becauseI do believe that teaching the next generations
and teaching kids to respect animals,especially wildlife, is a big component of
you know, raising our kids andpreparing them to take over for us.
Sure, you know, and itis about conservation. And you know,
I am by no means environmentalists necessarily, but and I don't have an issue.
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I'm not an avid hunter. I'vehunted in my life and I but
I have no problem with the survivalof the fittest and everybody has a pecking
order. But I think it's importanttoo to teach is a difference between hunting
to feed your family and abusing ananimal. There are different things, and
I think it's great that you're teachingyoung people the value of what these animals
are, this wildlife is in ourworld. That yes, in some cases
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you know that it's it's a snack, but in many cases it's just somebody
who call habitates the earth, andyou know, and how to take care
of them at least respect them.Yeah, they play a big part,
and a lot of people don't realizethe role that they each play. What
I'm looking at your website. Now, you don't take certain you don't take
everything right, it says you don'tyou don't take in birds or reptiles.
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Correct. Uh, Taking birds andreptiles kind of opens up a whole Pandora's
box. Okay, they are somuch more complicated birds, especially from species
to species of each bird, itchanges, and it's just really difficult to
for us as the group to kindof collaborate and pinpoint those care I don't
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know if I can step in here. There are some rehabs in the area
who have stopped. While they havestopped taking in the rabies vector species like
we specialize in, they have startedspecializing more and taking over with the reptiles
and the birds. And the dealwith those reptiles and the birds is a
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lot of for rehabbing those. Thosealso require special permits and you have to
follow not only state but also federallaws when you're reh having those, So
they're just a little bit more complicated. Plus I personally just don't like bird
poop, and but let me,I wanted to go back a few minutes
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ago when you were asking about,you know, the laws and all that
I wanted to dress. We've gotBill four eight seventy four that is sitting
in the state House right now.They're DNR is pushing to pass that.
The reason they're pushing that is becausethere there is a need for rehabbers and
because there are some rehibers out therewho've gotten overloaded. You're walking into a
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house with two hundred squirrels, You'rewalking into a house with a deer that
can't walk, sitting in bath hubs, and coyotes and that. And I
guess because those people have such bighearts and don't have big enough pocketbooks,
they end up stuck kind of withall these non releasable animal is because so
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many people are scared to take theseanimals in or just can't. So the
reason that these laws are being consideredis because DNR wants to be able to
regulate, which I totally agree thesekind of situations that you need to be
regulated. But when you ask usabout our facility and the fact that we
don't have one, yes, weare all working out of our homes.
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Sure, but for right now,you know, that's really nice to be
able to roll over and go feedsome babies every two to three hours.
If this bill four eight seven fourpasses, we're going to have to have
a separate room separate from our house. We're gonna have to keep it totally
separate from so we'll have to haveprobably like a storage building or something that
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will have to be temperature regulated,have to be easily sanitized. You'll have
to have water and electricity. Sowe would basically all either have to have
our own get our own little storagebuildings and have our own little tiny facility
in the backyard, or we'll haveto get a big facility and go go
there every two to three hours,or have someone stay there over every night
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to go feed however many animals wehave on hand. But so doing that,
you know, we have to thinklong term. We might end up
having to get a facility when theselaws change. But it would be nice
if certain parts of the laws didn'tchange so we could roll over at two
or three o'clock to go help thesebabies, because having them separated is really
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going to mess us up a littlebit, right, And I can't I
can imagine you know, you're notin any nonprofit, but certainly a niche
nonprofit like you doesn't have a bigbudget, doesn't have the access to big
dollars. I mean that could effectivelyif that were to be the case.
The groups that are like you,guys that you know have great, big
hearts, maybe not great big wallace, but humongous hearts. It could.
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It could stifle your organization, youknow, it could. It could effectively
put you out a business if youhad to say, go rent a great,
big facility. Right, absolutely exactlyspeaking speaking of that, So tell
me about how you're funding, Howare you getting are people donating or are
you applying for grants? What doesthat look like from your standpoint right now?
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We have been doing a really reallygood job of getting our name out
there and fundraising. We have beenbooking events as a vendor to go out
there and showcase some of our animalsand just have teachable moments and sell a
little bit of merchandise to bring stuffinto us. We are going to be
filing for some grants after we getpast this weekend with our first class,
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and we're really hoping that those comethrough. And I think one thing that
people don't understand about nonprofits, especiallybeing recognized by the irs is we do
not get any kind of government funding. Everything is what we ourselves get out
there and raise. So that iswhy every time you visit a nonprofit page,
we are like, can you helpwith this? Can you do this?
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One thing that we urge to oursupporters is that, you know,
we love transparency. We want peopleto see exactly what every dollar they give
is going towards. Sure, sowe do things like adoption baskets so they
can see that they're thirty dollars isgoing towards a bag of formula, some
syringes and a toy for them toplay with, or you know, some
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other type of food or nutrients thatthey need. And so I think that's
really important because right now people areworking hard for their money. Times are
tough, and I don't see themgetting any better in any near future.
So asking for money from strangers especially, you know, we just want everybody
to feel comfortable that they are helpingus and that we are doing things the
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correct way. Right, let meask you this. So obviously taking donations
anyone who's listening can certainly do.It's a five to one C three so
it's tax deductible. If there areany kind of corporate sponsors or whatever.
But certainly you're collecting collecting donations,I would assume what about donations of time?
You know a lot of people,especially nowadays, when you're paying five
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dollars for a gallon of gas,you know, may not have a few
extra bucks, but they've got afew minutes. What kind of volunteer opportunities
are there, you know with theorganization? Yeah. Absolutely. We have
a little club that we have createdcalled our Critter Support Crew, and we
have made this little group so thatfamilies, you know, people of all
ages, doesn't matter if you're fiveto ninety five, that you can sign
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up for. This club is atthirty dollars membership and you get a discount
a T shirt that you can wearit to our events. You can volunteer
to help us there. You canvolunteer to help us, whether it's picking
up some laundry to wash for us, or going out there and doing fundraising
things for us, getting on socialmedia and just sharing our information, sharing
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about classes, helping us market thingsso that you know, as many people
hear about us as possible. Wedefinitely want to keep the community as a
bald as we can, because Ithink people getting to interact and see what
it is we do firsthand opens upa lot of eyes. Like so,
like Virginia with hands, are Ikeep calling herself? She goes by two
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different names, her professional and thenher her personal name. So if I
have called her that, that's stillthe same person. But it's absolutely important
for our volunteers to you know,step in and see what it is we
do, like I said, andif they are volunteering and they are over
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eighteen and they decide like, youknow, this is something I want to
commit to, then they can signup as a rehabber, and our Critter
Support Crew can also take those sameclasses that we would give to the people
signing up for rehabing. Another waythat Critter Support Crew can help is by
transporting animals between rehabbers. Okay,that's good. Yeah, it's grabbing them,
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like let's say there, because weare trying to be wide. We're
trying to have rehabbers in every countyand sometimes the rehabber for gear is two
counties away. Well if if orbunnies or or maybe the person who takes
those neonate raccoons. She lives outin a very rural Saluta County. So
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it's really great if we have somebodywho has flowers on their hand and doesn't
mind spending ten twenty bucks on gasto transport some animals for us. Right,
speaking with Virginia la Grand and HeatherCooper from the Palmeta Wildlife Rescue Rehab.
We only have a couple of minutesleft, guys, just a couple
of safety tips. If you findan animal that's in distress, whether it's
injured or whatever, what do yourecommend how how do you recommend you approach
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it? Or do you not andjust call you guys? I mean,
I don't want people to walk upand grab a you know, grab a
little guy and end up getting bitteror whatever. Sally you take that one,
all right, So let's let's startwith injured. So when I don't
know about you, guys, butlike if I hit my hand with a
hammer and it hurts, there's alot of bad words that come out of
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my mouth, and I probably don'twant anybody to mess with me. Well,
the same goes for animals. Theyreally don't want you to touch them,
so probably best to stay away,Try to try to get as close
as you can safely and see what'sgoing on with them. Try to figure
out, you know, is thisan animal that looks like it could be
helped, you know, try tosee if it's in the middle of the
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road, try to coax it outof the road. Maybe, you know,
take something and with long Like Idoubt anybody keeps a broom in their
car, but you know, maybeif you have something, you can show
it to the side of the roadif it's able to move. If not,
then you know, call a rehaber. Now, if it's something that
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looks like it needs to be euthanized, then you need to go ahead and
call the county animal control. Nowif it's if it's a baby. Uh.
There are lots of resources online,especially on our website. We have
we have some guides for how tohandle baby animals. And like I said,
our ultimate goal is reunification with Mom. So let's let's do what we
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can to get those babies back withMom. Let's keep those babies warm,
that is the most important thing.Please do not feed the babies because what
you're feeding them could kill them.Okay, I got to stop you guys
right there, We're already out oftime. We're going to have you back
on the show again real soon.Virginia La Grand Heather Cooper from the Palmetta
Wildlife Rescue rehab Ladies, thank youso much for your dedication to these animals.
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i'mnine hundred and seven years old today, So there we are, but so
so happy you join us as youguys do week after week for these shows.
And you know many of us canagree, and I used to.
I know I can speak for myselfthat animals in most cases are better than
human beings. It's just fundamentally true. They really don't know a whole lot
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except being safe, being in danger, protecting. They're loyal, and it's
not just dogs. That's why itoften ways heavy on our hearts when we
see injured animals. The bird hittingthe window, the little turtle who didn't
quite win at the game of reallife, Frogger trying to get across the
street, oh so slow. Now, as we continue to build Hoa after
hoa, we're driving these animals,these wild animals, closer and closer to
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us. We're taking away their homes, and in turn, on many occasions
and by accident, we end upwith interactions that end up in these almost
being injured for one reason or another. It's that motivation to protect injured animals,
to rehabilitate injured animals, and asmany cases as possible, reintroduce them
back to their natural habitat, youknow, specifically as wild animals. That
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drove a group of large hearted individualsto create Palmetto Wildlife Rescue and Rehabilitation.
So joining me this morning two ofthe founders, Heather Cooper and Virginia LaGrand.
Now, Virginia's going to join usin a few minutes, but I'll
say good morning to you, Heather, Good morning, Thank you for joining
us this morning. Absolutely, we'reexcited. Well, tell us a little
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bit about you guys, your background. I know this this organization is fairly
new and we're going to get intoit here in a bit, But tell
us about your background. When Virginiajumps on, we can we can learn
hers as well. But what youknow, what was your backup that made
you decide that you wanted to,you know, get together and create such
an organization. Yeah, most ofus, like all our lives, we
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have been animal lovers from morning extendto another. As I've gotten into my
adulthood, I've had a few friends, including Virginia, that have stepped in
and been rescuing wildlife. Whether theyjust grew up in South Carolina and it
was something that their parents did someof they knew just did it out of
their homes. We kind of startedreaching out to people and learning how to
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do it right. And here recentlyone of the bigger wildlife rescues in the
area has stopped being able to seeRaby's vector species like raccoons, possums,
and say, with that, wejust kind of took the opportunity to put
together our little friendship group and makeit official and so that way we can
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be there to help the animals thatother organizations are not able to anymore.
Understand, Virginia, looks like you'rewith us. Good morning to you,
good morning. Can you hear me? Okay, we can hear you,
just fine, just fine, aswe were just we had just started the
show. I'm glad you made itbetter late than never, for sure.
Tell us a little bit about you, Virginny. Tell us your background.
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You know what, what motivated youto want to go ahead and get passionate
about the animals. Well, Igrew up with lots of cats and dogs
in the occasional raccoon or possum andthe occasional skunk as well. You find
them on the side of the roador the neighbor finds them, and we
were just the house that they cameto to grow up. And so recently
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in the last few years, itjust kind of seems like we kept getting
raccoons right. And so last year, when another local rehab stopped taking in
raccoons, we kind of unofficially startedbeing the people to call. And so
I just kind of put together agroup of people that they're rehabbed and sent
them back out into the world tolive their best life. But uh so
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this year we made it official witha bigger group and a five and not
and and getting help from other peopleis absolutely amazing. And seeing the look
on someone's face when you educate themabout how a raccoon is not as scary
as you've been told, when theysee when they feel the fer it's just
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an amazing It's an amazing thing.They raccoons are so cute, but you
know, so are so are youknow, I don't know panda bears,
and I don't know i'd give oneof those a hug. I'm just throwing
that out there. Well, Idefinitely don't suggest you just walk up to
any raccoon and give them a hug. Okay, I think I think that's
an important lesson kids. These kindsare professionals. If you're you know,
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do not hug a random raccoon doneso. So So you guys, you
kind of created this group and yousaid, hey, let's let's do this
for real. Yeah, we justyou know, we have people in our
organization that have as little as twoyears experience, all the way up to
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fifteen twenty years experience. You know, most of us have done this in
South Carolina for those time frames,and then others have done it in other
states and have different knowledge and differentbackgrounds with other animals being in different parts
of the country. So I thinkthat's one thing that makes us unique.
We each kind of have our specialtyor our preference that balances out the group.
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We have some that just want todo the little neonates that are tiny,
tiny babies. We have some thatlike to do the older ones.
We have people that you know,want to focus on just deer and rabbits.
So it's nice to have everybody thathas a little special area. That
way, no matter what we get, we've got somebody that is ready to
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jump in and is knowledgeable on thoseanimals. Speaking of this morning on Carolina
Cares, the two of the foundersof the pome outa wildlife and rehabilitation organization
of five POT one C three herein South Carolina. So, you guys,
how was how hard was it tokind of set this up? So
I'll let you take that. Yeah, So, honestly, like this has
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always been a dream of mine.I've always wanted to do it. And
I said, hey, when mykids are old enough, this is what
I'm going to do to keep myselfbusy. Well my youngest to our juniors
in high school, and they're atthat point where I don't get to spend
as much time with them. Well, then, you know, certain things
happened around us with other rehab groups, and other people started reaching out to
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me, and Heather and I havealways talked about having our own rehab group,
and we said, you know what, let's talk to these people and
let's see what we have to do. So we started looking into it.
And I looked into it and Isaid, oh God, that's a lot
of paperwork. And I said,but you know what, we all met
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and we started seeing these big dreamsthat we have that it did come true.
And so I did the paperwork andI buckled in and I typed up
probably fifty pages in the first twodays, and then I submitted the application
for the five O one C threeto the IRS, and I filled out
everything with the Secretary of State andwent to the bank and opened an account.
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And the next thing you know,we've got a po box and we're
getting donations, and we've got awebsite that Haather built. Oh my god,
our website is amazing. Heathery's donea great job with it. Heather
runs all of our social media,she does our website, plus she does
that while taking care of a wholebunch of baby squirrels. So this has
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been quite the undertaking, especially consideringwe just had that meeting of the minds
back the first week of February,so we've only been in this, you
know, a couple months. Yeah, sure, and we're just taken off
and it's like there is obviously we'refilling a hole so where there was such
a need, because we're getting phonecalls every day about animals that are in
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need. Some of these phone calls, luckily we get to answer and there's
reunifications. We're able to educate themon how to put the babies back with
mom and dad is Our ultimate goalis to not have to take in babies.
We want the public to know howto reunify mom, but reunify the
babies with mom. But if that'snot the case, then we are more
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than happy. And hopefully, youknow, if the public knows more about
us, we're going to have theresources that are needed to keep feeding these
babies. Buy them their little pools, buy them their little fish, buy
them with they need, have theirproper caging, and teach them what they
need to do to be wild liketheir mom would, and then let them
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go. And that's our goal isto I mean, none of these species
are danger right now, but Imean if the rate things are going,
how long will it be until theyare well? You know that's talking I
think before you joined us this morning, Virginia, you know I'm seeing the
influx we all are. You know, with all these I can tell you
about Lexington, you know all theseage Every time I turn around, what
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was field or woodland six months agois now you know, two hundred houses.
Well, so I see him.I go to work every morning at
two in the morning, and Isee wildlife every day right in the middle
of the road because they got nowhere to go. You know, they're
where are they supposed to go?We keep taking their houses away, and
so I think there's that's why there'san influx of all this, you know,
we see unfortunately, I see theanimals that get hit. I see
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the deer, and I see thepossum, and I see all these little
guys, and then I also seethem alive and well hanging out. But
there's such an influx of these theseanimals that are like well, heck,
and then they get introduced to humansand and I would like to think most
of the time is not on purpose. But we you know, if it's
a if it's a little guy versusa car, it's not the little guy
that's gonna win. Okay, well, I mean it's definitely they're not gonna
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win. And the thing is iswhat are we gonna have parks and zoos
for them? Is that going tobe the only place they can live?
But I mean, so far,most of the animals that we're taking in
are from trees that are being cutdown. We have some raccoons that were
born in a house under construction,and the construction worker basically got in a
fight with small that was protecting herbabies, and he didn't know there were
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babies. He just thought she wasa wild and crazy raccoon. But most
of the time, when you seeyour raccoons, they're gonna run away.
Raccoons do not want to fight.They are the wimpiest preachers out there.
So I have some in my housethat literally, if you're not gonna meet
them the first time you come over, you're gonna have to come over four
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or five times, and they're gonnahave to hear your voice and smell your
smell before they ever let you seethem. And then you're gonna have to
sit there for a while and letthem check you out. Raccoons do not
want to interact with you. Theywant to go the other way. They
don't want you to see them becausethey are terrified. But if you have
one coming at you, then it'seither one those humans are good and want
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food because someone's been feeding it,or two it's probably a mama protecting her
baby. That makes sense, Thatmakes sense, and that's a fierce mama.
You heard a fierce mama bear,Wait till you've met fierce mama raccoon.
I love it. One thing Heather, I think is interesting too,
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on your webs anyway. But Ithink you and I talked before the show
that you guys don't actually have afacility, and that's probably good. That's
going to help with fundraising too,that you can be funding, you can
raise you can put directly towards theprogram, versus having to worry about swallowing
a great big rent or mortgage oran electric bill. Right. Yeah,
absolutely, And that's one thing thatworks to our advantage right now. Especially
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whenever we are feeding babies every twoor three hours throughout the night or during
the day, some of us haveto take them to our jobs, which
thankfully we had. The ones thatdo work full time are have accommodating bosses
and environments to where they're able todo that. Right The other big thing
that is kind of starting to workagainst us is d n R is working
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with state legislators to try to stopus from being able to do it in
our homes. So it may becomea thing where we have to look into
building a facility, whether it's abarn or a shed that we convert into
a building that has everything that weneed, and then to house these animals,
which is going to be a hugegutting of South Carolina's rehabbers if that
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changes, because ninety nine percent ofrehabbers do it out of their home.
Well, I guess that was goingto be one of my questions. I
know that there are some laws overwhat kind of like exotic animals. You
can have them, but you haveto have licensing. You know. I
think of you know, the tigerking and what's his face over it at
myrtle beach? Who you know havethese animals? You can? You can
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my understanding, you probably know betterthan I. You can have exotic animals,
but they all have to be lice. What does it have to do
with a raccoon or a chipmunk orsquirrel? You're saying right now, there's
really no governing law on that,correct. Well, the South Keelan is
one of the very very few statesthat you do not have to have permits
to either house a raccoon, whetheryou're rehabing or not. And that can
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be a good thing and it canalso be the worst thing possible because there
is no regulation on who is keepingthese animals. It does make things easier
for us as far as paperwork feesthat are associated with permits in that kind
of thing. Right now. Butwe do worry about people that are not
as educated as they should be tryingto keep an animal. Let go,
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I found a squirrel, I wantto help it. They have the best
intentions, but that is one ofthe main reasons why we ask people,
you know, call us immediately.We want them to make sure they don't
feed these animals, especially the babies, and get them to us as soon
as possible. Why don't you babies, especially squirrels and baby raccoons, they
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aspirate so easily, and if theyare fed the wrong formula. And I
know, like you know, beingin South Carolina, like I said,
somebody knows somebody who has rescued one, and they tell them to go get
puppy milk, cat milk, goatmilk, all those kind of things.
But we have perfected the closest thingto mother's milk for these animals. And
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if you give them any other thingother than that formula and do it in
such a gradual way, they willget severely dehydrated. They could cause a
lot of stomach issues and it cannotultimately be deli for them. Wow.
And of course that is the lastthing that we want. And some of
them you know, depending on howlong they've been away from mom, their
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body temperature could be too low tobe able to process food and that can
also put them into shock. Speakingthis morning with Virginia LaGrand and Heather Cooper,
two of the founders of Palmetto Wildlife, Rest You and Rehabilitation based here
in the palm Ota State. PalmetalWildlife sc dot com is their website.
Once again, I'll have that onthe show notes for you, but it's
Palmetal Wildlife sc AS in South Carolina. Uh dot com is how you how
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you get a hold of these thesefolks, the whole team. What what
is Let me back up one.You talk about education. I know on
your website you've got education. Whatdoes that look like? Are those classes
that people can take or what goeson in that kind of thing? Yes,
absolutely, we are offering classes toeven a five year old who just
loves animals and wants to learn more, to somebody who just has a little
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bit of interest wants to know,like you know, Okay, how can
I help if I find a babyor they a teacher who wants to know
so they can teach their class downto the rehabbers that want to do this
with us, so we offer itto everybody who wants to do it.
We are also trying to get intoa setting where we can make visits to
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class rooms to teach kids, becauseI do believe that teaching the next generations
and teaching kids to respect animals,especially wildlife, is a big component of
you know, raising our kids andpreparing them to take over for us.
Sure, you know, and itis about conservation. And you know,
I am by no means environmentalists necessarily, but and I don't have an issue.
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I'm not an avid hunter. I'vehunted in my life and I but
I have no problem with the survivalof the fittest and everybody has a pecking
order. But I think it's importanttoo to teach is a difference between hunting
to feed your family and abusing ananimal. There are different things, and
I think it's great that you're teachingyoung people the value of what these animals
are, this wildlife is in ourworld. That yes, in some cases
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you know that it's it's a snack, but in many cases it's just somebody
who call habitates the earth, andyou know, and how to take care
of them at least respect them.Yeah, they play a big part,
and a lot of people don't realizethe role that they each play. What
I'm looking at your website. Now, you don't take certain you don't take
everything right, it says you don'tyou don't take in birds or reptiles.
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Correct. Uh, Taking birds andreptiles kind of opens up a whole Pandora's
box. Okay, they are somuch more complicated birds, especially from species
to species of each bird, itchanges, and it's just really difficult to
for us as the group to kindof collaborate and pinpoint those care I don't
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know if I can step in here. There are some rehabs in the area
who have stopped. While they havestopped taking in the rabies vector species like
we specialize in, they have startedspecializing more and taking over with the reptiles
and the birds. And the dealwith those reptiles and the birds is a
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lot of for rehabbing those. Thosealso require special permits and you have to
follow not only state but also federallaws when you're reh having those, So
they're just a little bit more complicated. Plus I personally just don't like bird
poop, and but let me,I wanted to go back a few minutes
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ago when you were asking about,you know, the laws and all that
I wanted to dress. We've gotBill four eight seventy four that is sitting
in the state House right now.They're DNR is pushing to pass that.
The reason they're pushing that is becausethere there is a need for rehabbers and
because there are some rehibers out therewho've gotten overloaded. You're walking into a
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house with two hundred squirrels, You'rewalking into a house with a deer that
can't walk, sitting in bath hubs, and coyotes and that. And I
guess because those people have such bighearts and don't have big enough pocketbooks,
they end up stuck kind of withall these non releasable animal is because so
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many people are scared to take theseanimals in or just can't. So the
reason that these laws are being consideredis because DNR wants to be able to
regulate, which I totally agree thesekind of situations that you need to be
regulated. But when you ask usabout our facility and the fact that we
don't have one, yes, weare all working out of our homes.
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Sure, but for right now,you know, that's really nice to be
able to roll over and go feedsome babies every two to three hours.
If this bill four eight seven fourpasses, we're going to have to have
a separate room separate from our house. We're gonna have to keep it totally
separate from so we'll have to haveprobably like a storage building or something that
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will have to be temperature regulated,have to be easily sanitized. You'll have
to have water and electricity. Sowe would basically all either have to have
our own get our own little storagebuildings and have our own little tiny facility
in the backyard, or we'll haveto get a big facility and go go
there every two to three hours,or have someone stay there over every night
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to go feed however many animals wehave on hand. But so doing that,
you know, we have to thinklong term. We might end up
having to get a facility when theselaws change. But it would be nice
if certain parts of the laws didn'tchange so we could roll over at two
or three o'clock to go help thesebabies, because having them separated is really
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going to mess us up a littlebit, right, And I can't I
can imagine you know, you're notin any nonprofit, but certainly a niche
nonprofit like you doesn't have a bigbudget, doesn't have the access to big
dollars. I mean that could effectivelyif that were to be the case.
The groups that are like you,guys that you know have great, big
hearts, maybe not great big wallace, but humongous hearts. It could.
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It could stifle your organization, youknow, it could. It could effectively
put you out a business if youhad to say, go rent a great,
big facility. Right, absolutely exactlyspeaking speaking of that, So tell
me about how you're funding, Howare you getting are people donating or are
you applying for grants? What doesthat look like from your standpoint right now?
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We have been doing a really reallygood job of getting our name out
there and fundraising. We have beenbooking events as a vendor to go out
there and showcase some of our animalsand just have teachable moments and sell a
little bit of merchandise to bring stuffinto us. We are going to be
filing for some grants after we getpast this weekend with our first class,
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and we're really hoping that those comethrough. And I think one thing that
people don't understand about nonprofits, especiallybeing recognized by the irs is we do
not get any kind of government funding. Everything is what we ourselves get out
there and raise. So that iswhy every time you visit a nonprofit page,
we are like, can you helpwith this? Can you do this?
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One thing that we urge to oursupporters is that, you know,
we love transparency. We want peopleto see exactly what every dollar they give
is going towards. Sure, sowe do things like adoption baskets so they
can see that they're thirty dollars isgoing towards a bag of formula, some
syringes and a toy for them toplay with, or you know, some
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other type of food or nutrients thatthey need. And so I think that's
really important because right now people areworking hard for their money. Times are
tough, and I don't see themgetting any better in any near future.
So asking for money from strangers especially, you know, we just want everybody
to feel comfortable that they are helpingus and that we are doing things the
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correct way. Right, let meask you this. So obviously taking donations
anyone who's listening can certainly do.It's a five to one C three so
it's tax deductible. If there areany kind of corporate sponsors or whatever.
But certainly you're collecting collecting donations,I would assume what about donations of time?
You know a lot of people,especially nowadays, when you're paying five
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dollars for a gallon of gas,you know, may not have a few
extra bucks, but they've got afew minutes. What kind of volunteer opportunities
are there, you know with theorganization? Yeah. Absolutely. We have
a little club that we have createdcalled our Critter Support Crew, and we
have made this little group so thatfamilies, you know, people of all
ages, doesn't matter if you're fiveto ninety five, that you can sign
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up for. This club is atthirty dollars membership and you get a discount
a T shirt that you can wearit to our events. You can volunteer
to help us there. You canvolunteer to help us, whether it's picking
up some laundry to wash for us, or going out there and doing fundraising
things for us, getting on socialmedia and just sharing our information, sharing
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about classes, helping us market thingsso that you know, as many people
hear about us as possible. Wedefinitely want to keep the community as a
bald as we can, because Ithink people getting to interact and see what
it is we do firsthand opens upa lot of eyes. Like so,
like Virginia with hands, are Ikeep calling herself? She goes by two
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different names, her professional and thenher her personal name. So if I
have called her that, that's stillthe same person. But it's absolutely important
for our volunteers to you know,step in and see what it is we
do, like I said, andif they are volunteering and they are over
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eighteen and they decide like, youknow, this is something I want to
commit to, then they can signup as a rehabber, and our Critter
Support Crew can also take those sameclasses that we would give to the people
signing up for rehabing. Another waythat Critter Support Crew can help is by
transporting animals between rehabbers. Okay,that's good. Yeah, it's grabbing them,
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like let's say there, because weare trying to be wide. We're
trying to have rehabbers in every countyand sometimes the rehabber for gear is two
counties away. Well if if orbunnies or or maybe the person who takes
those neonate raccoons. She lives outin a very rural Saluta County. So
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it's really great if we have somebodywho has flowers on their hand and doesn't
mind spending ten twenty bucks on gasto transport some animals for us. Right,
speaking with Virginia la Grand and HeatherCooper from the Palmeta Wildlife Rescue Rehab.
We only have a couple of minutesleft, guys, just a couple
of safety tips. If you findan animal that's in distress, whether it's
injured or whatever, what do yourecommend how how do you recommend you approach
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it? Or do you not andjust call you guys? I mean,
I don't want people to walk upand grab a you know, grab a
little guy and end up getting bitteror whatever. Sally you take that one,
all right, So let's let's startwith injured. So when I don't
know about you, guys, butlike if I hit my hand with a
hammer and it hurts, there's alot of bad words that come out of
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my mouth, and I probably don'twant anybody to mess with me. Well,
the same goes for animals. Theyreally don't want you to touch them,
so probably best to stay away,Try to try to get as close
as you can safely and see what'sgoing on with them. Try to figure
out, you know, is thisan animal that looks like it could be
helped, you know, try tosee if it's in the middle of the
(28:25):
road, try to coax it outof the road. Maybe, you know,
take something and with long Like Idoubt anybody keeps a broom in their
car, but you know, maybeif you have something, you can show
it to the side of the roadif it's able to move. If not,
then you know, call a rehaber. Now, if it's something that
(28:45):
looks like it needs to be euthanized, then you need to go ahead and
call the county animal control. Nowif it's if it's a baby. Uh.
There are lots of resources online,especially on our website. We have
we have some guides for how tohandle baby animals. And like I said,
our ultimate goal is reunification with Mom. So let's let's do what we
(29:07):
can to get those babies back withMom. Let's keep those babies warm,
that is the most important thing.Please do not feed the babies because what
you're feeding them could kill them.Okay, I got to stop you guys
right there, We're already out oftime. We're going to have you back
on the show again real soon.Virginia La Grand Heather Cooper from the Palmetta
Wildlife Rescue rehab Ladies, thank youso much for your dedication to these animals.
(29:30):
Oh thank you. Yeah. Allright, guys, this has been
Carolina Cares and iHeartRadio production. Fastestthirty minutes in radio. My name is
Tyler Ryan. Since it's been thirtyminutes, it's time for me to say
I will speak with you in sevendays.
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