January 3, 2025 • 44 mins
It might be a loss, but it doesn't mean the sky is falling. Adam tries to give Clipper Nation some perspective, and and takes calls after a James Harden-less Clippers squad loses to the red-hot #1 seed in the West.
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At follow Adam a Adam Osley. Clippers run by sixty
in the first half and then they got thunderclapped one's
sixteen to ninety eight was your final They got outscored
by twenty two points in the third quarter and the
Oklahoma City Thunder proved who they are the best team
in the Western Conference record wise. That is one thirteenth straight.
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It was a frustrating suite, but it should probably be addressed.
Thirteen straight wins for OKC. They're on the front end
of a back to back. They got the Nicks at
home tomorrow. I believe SGA finished with twenty nine. The
difference in the game, though, is simply Okase imposing their
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will in the second half and in that third quarter. Specifically,
I said, if you follow the thread on X that
I do for each and every game, I fall out
of May. Near the end of the second quarter, I
was saying, the Clippers better have a double digit lead
going in to the half, or else they're in trouble.
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That's just how it has to be. Because you knew
that run was coming from the Oklahoma City Thunder. You
knew they weren't gonna be able to stay shooting as
they started one for eleven from three. They were gonna
start knocking them down, and they get into their offense
and find themselves in the open floor when they turn
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you over. They are the best in the league at
turning over opponents. At nineteen per game, the Clippers had twenty.
They average twenty three twenty three points off of turnovers
per game best in the league. The Clippers ended up
giving them thirty one points off their twenty turnovers. That's
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the story. Eventually, Oka see did what Okase does? They
turned you over? And oh yeah, they're the best at
taking care of the basketball. They only had ten turnovers
at the Clippers twenty. That's how they beat you. That
so they win games. That's so they have won thirteen straight.
And the game played out that way. I never felt
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comfortable think Daniel West can attest to this. In the
first half, I was saying, it's early, they're up sixteen. Great,
now they have a chance. But the thing I was
saying was they better be up double digits heading in
to the third quarter, and they were only up by four.
As okay see, you got to work got it down
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to six points after an Isaiah Joe three late second quarter,
Amir had a turnover, Norm had a turnover driving as
he had his worst game of the season. Sga would
eventually hit a three a J dub runner to end
the half, and it's a four point game. When the
Clippers were up by as many as sixteen at one point.
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They were on a seventeen to four run in the
first half, but they couldn't hold on to it. And
I don't fault the effort. Some people are confusing effort
and execution in the chat, saying it needs to be
a consistent effort all the way through. Just because you're
losing doesn't mean all of a sudden you've let go
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of the rope or if given up or have stopped
playing hard. That's not that's not the problem. The problem
is you're being out talented. He already don't have kawhi
Arn's man and then no James Harden, Like, what were
your expectations going into this one? I know Sebastian Swinsteiger
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said the mush who's always wrong, the Clippers are going
to win. Okay, so he's looking suspect his usual stick.
He'll be in a time out whenever he comes back
to the chat and shows his face. But I just
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don't know what your expectations were for the people saying,
oh oh, sky's falling. They went one and two on
the road trip. Awful road trip. Look, they lost a
couple of games the second night of a back to
back against San Antonio, and then they have a day
off and they lose another one in the lions Den
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or The Dragon's Lair, which was a disappointing game on
the PC growing up because you really felt like, oh,
are the graphics really this good. No, it's just like
cutscene things, that's all it is. But to play the
best team in the Western Conference that had won twelve
in a row and now it's thirteen, like this is so,
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this is not a time to panic cliper Nation. It's not.
And now there's people in here in the chat that
they just can't tell the nuance between effort and execution.
The Clippers were playing hard. Sometimes, believe it or not,
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you can play really hard and gets your butts kicked
because the team is just that much better than you,
because it's a mismatch on paper, and you knew that
heading in. But then you get up by sixteen and
you feel like, oh, we could hang with them. It's
a forty eight minute game. That's why I never got
too high when they were up by sixteen. I knew
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what okaysee was about. I knew they started one of
eleven from three and that's not sustainable. I knew the
way the Clippers were shooting it. The mere coffee starting
five to five from three was also not sustainable. So
the Clippers were executing and playing really well early on,
give them credit. Different guys were stepping up. KPJ had
a really good first half. Mobamba had his best game
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maybe as a Clipper, especially in the first half. How
much of that was going to be repeatable as the
game goes along, turns out, typically you regress to the mean,
you revert back to who you are now. Unfortunately for
the Clippers, that never happened with Norman Powell. He started
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zero for five in the first half and never found himself.
Had his worst game of the season. Give credit to OKC,
but he had thirty one the last time out against him.
I understand without James Harden, it's a much tougher thing
when they can key in on you as the number
one option out there, and they were great. He had
a couple of rough calls go against him. I think,
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you know, it's a mix of two things. He had
an off night and also Okac's defense was leaning his way.
They were very good against him. But I mean at
the half, Mobaum had nine points on four to four
shooting and knocked down a three pointer. That's the best
state minutes he had played in the Clippers uniform. So
far KPJ. He had ten points, a couple of nice assists.
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He played well in the first half. Their bench was
outperforming the starters outside of a mere Coffee who got
the start because no James Harden thought of each Zubats
was playing solid basketball like he was bottying Isaiah Hartenstein.
You had a spinning left handed hook off the backboard
against him. Zoo was winning that matchup. They didn't go
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to him Aton and okay, see will double and throw
different defenses at you because they got guys that can
hedge and recover really well and a lot of switchability
out there, and they're just I mean, they took Isaiah
Hartenstein off the floor early on because Zoo was abusing him.
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They put it in the other Jalen Williams. They tried
something immediately. I don't like Zubots even in you know,
a game like this where you ended up getting blown out.
But through three orders he only had nine shots, eleven
and nine and twenty three minutes. And somebody in here
was trying to tell me, you talk about KPJ having
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a bad second half or all his bad moments, but
you don't talk about Avista Zubats having a terrible game.
It's like, can you can you not decipher the difference
between KPJ and Aviza Zubats. Like Aviza Zubats is one
of the most important players on this team, that is
a made man and established in this league. He is
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their last line of defense. He is one of the
best room protectors in the league. He's been like that
forever and this season he's averaging what almost sixteen and twelve.
This guy Alfie, who I think is in the chat
right now, if you guys see him in here, uh,
maybe you could point out his flawed logic because he goes, Dude,
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you're just biased when it comes to KPJ. Look at Zoo.
You can't tell me he's having a terrible game. Poor
phrasing there. Well, Zoo wasn't having a terrible game. I
wouldn't call it a good game or a great game.
It was a slightly below average game, not a terrible game.
But he goes, you won't mention that. Be shameless. Seriously,
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if everyone plays badly, hold everyone accountable, don't cherry pick.
The reason that I'm highlighting KPJ is because it turns
out that he's not established as a clipper. Yet you
know you have to have it eat the zoobots out there.
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We don't know who KPJ is as a player. You
don't know possession to possession, who he is as a player.
It has been extremely up and down, and that is
being kind. So I praised him in the first half
when he had a good first half, and then I
criticized him in the second half because he had an
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objectively bad second half. And this guy comes in here
and has tried to tell me, Oh, you're biased for
Vitza Zubas. I'm not worried about Avitza Zubos. I'm worried
about KPJ ever finding a consistent rhythm out there, because
he hasn't done it yet. He hasn't. Oh, ALFI changed
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his name. I think in the chat he doesn't want
people to know that that was him. He said, So
this guy put me on time out because I called
you out over your biasness. I don't think he understands
what bias is. His bias is thinking that I have
a bias against KPJ, who I literally have a tweet
for that says in the preseason, I've seen it enough.
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I think he could be the starting two guard at
some point for the Clippers. And now you're saying I'm
biased against him. Uh, KPJ had a fair game the least,
but your favorite Norm Zoo Done had terrible games. Hold
them accountable. Zoo and Done did not have terrible games. Like,
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some people can't be the least bit objective, and it
is painfully obvious on here. I know it's social media,
it's anonymous, you can hide behind all this stuff. But
the KPJ hive is something else. I mean, it's not
the russ hive, but it is completely illogical. Like somebody
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wants me to what lie and say KPJ is not
smoking layups or trying to go one on two in
the second half to get tough buckets and making life
much more difficult on the Clippers, or having a bad
offensive foul. Like what am I supposed to say? You
want me to lie about it and say those players
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aren't happening. I'm watching the game. I've literally said Norman
Powells at a really bad game, his worst game of
the season. The difference is they're not the same. Norman
KPJ aren't the same. KPJY and Zoo not the same.
KPJ and Emir is not the same. We know who
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a mere coffee is as a player, So don't come
in here and try to tell me that I needed
to treat KPJ the same way I treat Zoo. I'm
looking to see if KPJ can be a real winning
player in this league. I already know if viatz Zubas
is that. I don't need to worry about that with him. Yeah,
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he needs to play better. The Clippers need to find
him more like, it goes both ways. I've criticized him
even with the great season of beats zoobots is having.
I have criticized his free throw shooting as good as
he has been this season, where he's played at like
a if you're an all star level for the center position.
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I have still criticized this free throw shooting. But this
guy will come in here and say, oh, you're biased, Like, yeah,
what do you think you're getting a time out? Check
your own bias, Like stop caring about one player more
than the team. These stands, they don't care about the Clippers.
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They have agendas. They just care about promoting their player
and protecting them at all times, regardless of the type
of game they have like, I'm here to find the
truth of what is the best version of this Clippers
team and who needs to be playing. Clippers lose by
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eighteen in Okay See to the Thunder final score one
sixteen to ninety eight. They are back back again at
into a Dome on Saturday. They're taking on the Atlanta Hawks.
Will Kawhi Leonard be back. You're gonna hear from Lob
Murray next. I'm out of Mosland and this is Clippers
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It continues, ry a guy in here trying to compare
KPJ to Aviza Zoo Bots. After the Clippers lose one
sixteen to ninety eight in Oklahoma City to the Thunder.
This guy, Alfie Chico, said, I am a stan yet
here you are saying Zoo is a winning player. Zoo
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is a winning player. He wins his minutes consistently. It's
one of the highest plus minuses on the team. I
don't think you understand what makes somebody a winning player?
What has he won like, seriously, I got time to
go back and forth with you. I don't get wrecked this,
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this is a pure block. I got better things to
talk about. Appreciate you guys that bring a little bit
of sanity to the chat here after the Clippers lose
and people think KPJ is on the same pedestal as
of eats A Zubats, even though he has done nothing
in this league to prove that. I am hoping for
the best with KPJ. I see the vision, I see
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why the Clippers are giving him this opportunity completely, but
he still has to prove that you can win periods
of games when he's out there on the court. That's
what we need to see, and we haven't seen it
so far. And he had a really good first half.
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And I can understand the logic of he was trying
to force it in this and half because nobody was
getting anything. Fine, if it wasn't, if there weren't all
these other plays from him that, you know, change that also,
I guess should be added into the context of my
viewpoint on KPJ. I'd say, yeah, you're right, it's just
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a uh, it's a one off. But it hasn't been
a one off and we're thirty four games in. Like
there are guys in here like Rock in the chat,
like he's he's a KPJ fan obviously, but he's not
a stand he's not crazy. He's not saying like KPJ
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and Zoo have proven the same amount of stuff in
the NBA so far, they haven't. A visa Zoo Bots
is one of the better centers in the league. Now
it gets proven. Ibata Zoobots needs more touches, if anything.
With KPJ, he needs to take less shots, get others involved,
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because I've seen his playmaking get a little bit better
it has. I think it's just so up and down.
And I'm not putting this loss on him at all.
I'm just trying to point out why Alfie is no
longer going to be seeing the chat here because anybody
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that can't understand the difference between those two players, I
can't sit here and debate it. I want you to
hear from La Murray of the Athletic But first, let's
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All right, so pregame, we add the law on La
Murray and I had to ask him the most appropriate
question for what's coming on Saturday with the Clippers back
home had into a dome taken on the Atlanta Hawks,
and him putting out the report of the last week
that that is the target return date for Kawhi keyword there. Target.
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Nothing has been confirmed or made official by this Clippers
team yet, But here was Law Murray pregame giving us
an update Saturday night, back it into a dome, the
Clippers will be taken on the Atlanta Hawks. So La Murray,
it begs the question, is Kawhi Leonard still on track
to be available to go in his first game this
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season on Saturday?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Well, when I reported last week there was a target dates,
that's all I could really say. And that's not something
that the organization is pushing or anything like that. That's
Kawhi's target date. And we know that just because Kawhi
feels like he's ready or or has a date circle,
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that doesn't always work out. We've seen that across the
league with a lot of guys. You know, they've had
to had their wrap up period. They might feel like
they're ready and then it doesn't work out. So I
will say he hasn't been ruled out. That is a
positive as far as I'm concerned. And you know, when
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you look at what's happening to he got to practice
with the G League team and that was a pretty
big deal. He went through multiple practices. Sound like it
came out came out pretty well with that, and so
we'll have to see if the team is willing to
put him out there for Saturday night. So I'm just
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going to say that's a lot there. All I thing
really is, nothing has changed based off of what I
reported last week.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I'm gonna admit this, it doesn't sound as promising as
it did when you first put out their report. I
think that's fair to say Daniel West has shaking his
head too. It seems more uncertain than when the initial
report came out. I'm just gonna be honest about that.
I don't know how you guys feel in here, But again,
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the team has not confirmed any of this. This is
just lat Marie of the athletic I know he has
good source sources and good information. I'm not doubting any
of that. But until I think this is how most
people feel, until you see Kawhi out there on the court,
in the starting lineup, like it's hard to believe it.
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He hasn't played since Game three of that playoff series
back in April against the Maps. He hasn't been ruled
out yet, that's true, Bryant pointing that out. Jay Dogg said,
shaking my head. I told you guys. Mark Jack said,
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I'm a big Kawhi fan, but I'm almost not caring anymore.
Not trying to be funny, but when he comes back,
or if he comes back, I'm happy. Obviously, If there's
any breaking news regarding Kawhi and his availability for that
game on Saturday, we'll have you covered at Clipper's Talk
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on the YouTube side. I will go live right away.
But until then, it's just it feels like a little
bit in question in doubt versus last week, everybody said
he's back on this date. It never was that. It
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never was a guarantee. It was a target date, but
I thought things might be a little bit more solidified
at this point with it just less than forty eight
hours away. It could still happen, But nothing is definite.
Mike and La you're on Clipper stop without a Mamason?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Was that?
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Mike, Hey, Adam, you know I understand that obviously. Okay
See is great at causing teams to have turnovers, and
you know that's what they do. But the annoying thing
for me is that this has been a problem with
the Clippers all season, even when they play teams that
aren't okay See. You know, we still have have issues
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with turnovers.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
Yeah, and you.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Know it's you know, turnovers and free throws. I'm not saying,
you know, we lost the game tonight because of free throws,
but you know we missed six of them, and it
just I mean, you know, those have been problems with
with other teams, and I just don't know how. I mean,
I don't see you getting Kawhi back at making you know,
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such a huge difference in either of those.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Oh, it will in either of us. I can tell
you exactly why it will, because one of the reasons
they've been turning the basketball over so much is because
it's the thing I've been saying since day one this year.
They have a thirty five year old with the usage
rating of a twenty five year old in James Harden
and then without him tonight. Okay, So now Chris Dunn
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is your lead ball handler all of a sudden, and
now KPJ has the ball in his hands more, and
you have other lineups, and you're going up against the
team that creates the most deflections in the league, that
creates the most turnovers in the league, and you don't
have your traditional floor general. And even when you do
have him, yes, he is often gassed because he's playing
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heavy minutes and trying to do things like he used
to in Houston because they don't have a better option
right now. When Kawhi is there, the ball will be
in his hands a lot. That usage rating for James
Harden will drop significantly quickly. I'm not saying it's gonna
happen overnight within the first week with Kawhi back, but
over time, I do believe they will start turning the
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basketball over less.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
I hope you're right, man, I hope you are right.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
All right.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Appreciate the phone call Mike, Mike pointing out some of
the flaws and errors with this Clippers team and just
weaknesses that have been going on all season long. And
I get it. I just I don't know how anybody.
I'm not saying everybody watched my preview going into this game,
but I tried to make it very clear, this is
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what okayse does really well, and that's what happened tonight.
So I wasn't surprised by any of it. You have
a team that turns the ball over a lot against
a team that turns the opposition over a lot, what
did you think was gonna happen? I admit the Clippers
did a nice job early on. I think some of
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that was because the OKC thunder just weren't as focused
because they knew that the Clippers didn't have James Harden
and they have bigger fish to fry tomorrow night against
the Knicks. I could see that part of this was
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probably a let down from them. Out of the gates.
They got serious in the second half. They turned up
the volume, they turned up the gas, and that is
when the Clippers started to struggle, and their ball pressure
was much better and they had eight turnovers in the
third quarter of the Clippers league is seventeen points. Some
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people in here talking about just real big picture stuff
like what can we get for Kawhi Leonard trade? It's
like he hasn't played a game, not much. He hasn't
played a game yet. This guy, Adam rr is like,
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can they win the champion ship this year? Tell me?
Can they trade Kawhi? Tell me? He's just asking this
very casual. I'm sorry, Adam, uh questions that we have
talked about four months, which is you know, it's just
can somebody else handle that in the chat please? I
gotta see these phone calls. Uh, hey, Zeus and al Hambro,
you're on Clippers Soft with Adam Mawson. What's up his zoos?
Speaker 6 (27:22):
Hey, what's up Adam? Thanks for taking my call?
Speaker 7 (27:24):
Man?
Speaker 6 (27:26):
Was the rough loss man? Two losses in a row.
It's it's a bummer. You know, we have been playing,
you know, fairly well. But like you said, man, what
do you expect when we ain't got you know, Kawhi Leonard,
and when we ain't got our next best guy James Harden,
which I mean you know he's been he's been carrying
a huge, uh a huge part of this load for us,
and you know it's just, you know, we we really
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can't expect much more, man. You know, like the guys
that we needed to step up, they stepped up, you know.
But they're a great role players, great complimentary pieces when
we have you know, Norman Pow and James Harden and
Kawhi all firing on all cylinders. And unfortunately we don't
have that, man, So you know, this is what we're
gonna expect. But still, you know, you know, on the
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bright side, man, you know, a mere coffee what he did, Mobamba,
which you know, he's been very inconsistent, you know, this
season and stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Man, but he's been bad.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
He's been bad. He's been bad. All right, all right,
he was good on the first half to night, and
I hoped he can build off of this because I
saw a different level of energy from Mobamba. I thought
the first couple of games with the Clippers he played
with more spirit, more activity out there, and I saw
that again tonight. I just need more of that now.
I wonder, and I have wondered if his three point
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shot basically being non existent so far this season, when
he has been a league average three point shooter at
seven feet tall throughout his career, that is a part
of his game. I've wondered, because he was shooting twenty
percent from three heading into this game, if that has
killed his confidence, and you know he knocked one down
and maybe that helped lift his spirits a little bit.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
That could be it, man, You know, that could be
a you know, so you know when when you when
they say you get the yips, you know, nothing's falling
for you and stuff, and you just get into your
head and and it's you know, it becomes even tougher
and tougher to score, man, until you can break that
and get like you said, get your confidence back. Man.
But I didn't want to touch on something else. I've
seen this, this picture circulating on social media with Kawhi,
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you know, back at practice stuff like that. It was
about like say, maybe like a few days ago on Instagram, but.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Do you follow me? Do you listen to the show
on Clippers Talk? Are you talking about versus the right leg?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, I've already dressed it ten different times.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
All right, man, Sorry to bring it up again, man,
but yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Everybody trying to make something out of one angle because
Clippers read it, you know, misery loves company. They just
want to be doomers or the guy named depressed Clipper
fan or something like that. On Instagram. First of all,
they were saying like his left legs. Something was wrong
with it. It looked flexed. His right leg wasn't. I'm
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not going to acknowledge that stuff. I literally saw Kawhi
at media day. I didn't notice the difference between both legs.
Like guys, If there was some significant difference between both
legs to that degree, do you think the training staff
would have noticed it and wouldn't have picked up on
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a Well, maybe he's over compensating or one leg is
too weak for him to play right now? You think
they would let him play if that picture was anything
to be concerned about. Uh? Yeah, Alfonso and San Dimas.
Great night here, Alfonso. What's up here on Clipper stoff
without Amazan?
Speaker 7 (30:56):
Hey, how's it.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Going at him?
Speaker 7 (30:57):
I had a question. I know we got some injuries
on the team, and you know, Kawhi some.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Their best player hasn't played a game yet, and then
James Harden doesn't play tonight, and some people want to say, well,
the Clippers, they just laid down or they didn't play hard.
It's like, my god, can you give the best team
in the Western Conference some credit? It turns out when
they turn up the gas, they're tough to hang with.
It doesn't mean the Clippers weren't trying hard. Okay, see
is that good?
Speaker 7 (31:25):
Oh yeah, most definitely? But U But as far as
I know the trade deadline coming up, I was wondering, like,
like I know, like on the margins, like kind of
like a trade for like a Cam Johnson or like
Collin Sexton and be made.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
How are they gonna trade for Cam Johnson? Like, here's
the point I keep making Alfonso? First of all, why
would they make a trade to raise their ceiling when
they can only win a championship if Kawhi Leonard's healthy
and they haven't seen Kawhi Leonard out there yet and
to see if he can't stay healthy, Why would you
make a move and give up more future assets if
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you don't even know if Kawhi can stay healthy, because
you have no chance to win a championship if you can't. Right, yeah,
so so so should they see? So should they see
Alfonso first before making a trade and giving up more
future assets if Kawhi can stay healthy?
Speaker 7 (32:20):
Of course I agree with that totally, But I'm not
like trying to like do go crazy or you know,
give up crazy draftings?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
What do you think is gonna take for Cam Johnson,
my man, Cam Johnson is going to take at least
a first round pick.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
Yeah, unfortunately, Yeah, that's that's true. Then then yeah, then
that's not a trade to be amazing. And that the
Lakers just did with Phinney Smith, like I know, like
it's like three gave up three second round picks, like
you know, I was curious, like you know, like with
the Clippers they were able to do that kind of
a trade for him, and they you know what I mean.
(32:56):
But like you said, you gotta.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Wait for Kawhi.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
He is, he's a better player than Finny Smith. He
would cost you more than what they gave up for
Finney Smith. So those two players aren't equal. They can
get a lot more. And the problem is, Alfonso, and
I appreciate the question, I do, but every team in
the league just about has more assets to give up
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to win a bidding war against the Clippers, right, yes,
So if any other team is also going for that
good player, and they are because they know about him too,
it's gonna be tough for the Clippers to be able
to get them, nor should they be trying to right
now until this Ye how Kawhi Leonard looks, but I
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appreciate you, my guy. Anything else, No, Well.
Speaker 7 (33:47):
That's thing I know, well, that's that's the thing where
I know they're holding on a PDA Tucker because of
the money situation, so they could like fit in some
kind of trade if possible. So if there's nothing out,
I guess, like the team's not like you said, there's
no worth worth Well, you got a way to see
with Kawhi. Then you know the PG Tuckers that they
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just just eat it for the rest of the year.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I guess, well, that's interesting. I mean the PJ. Tucker
eleven million dollars expiring deal that you bring up there, Alfonso,
that is something that will be sought after I think
near the trade deadline where a team knows they're out
of it and they're just looking at their salary going
into next year, and maybe they want them cap really
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for the ability to get under the first or second apron.
So they give up a player that makes eleven million
but has two more years left on his deal, and
isn't it expiring like PJ Tuckers is, they might be
able to get something decent for PJ Tucker, Not Cam Johnson,
not calling Sexton, unless you know he's included with other
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assets and other draft capital or something like that. But
I don't think it's out of the Roman possibility that
they are able to trade him for something. How good
that something is, we'll see, but it's a good question.
I appreciate you all. Fonso, call me back on Saturday,
all right, yeah, all right, there's all funds. Though, we'll
take a pick of time out. We'll come back. Clippers
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lose badly again, so we're talking about everything, but the
loss again. They were up by four and a half.
They were playing really good basketball. Okay, so he was
also playing I don't know their D minus brand of basketball.
Once they started playing their B minus brand of basketball,
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you sell the difference in talent between the two teams
and the third quarter. They won that quarter by twenty
two points. They won the game by eighteen. They won
thirteen straight. It's okay. Doesn't mean the Clippers weren't playing
hard just because they got beat up. Sometimes you're just
at such a talent disadvantage it doesn't matter. I don't
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know if you guys have heard this. It's a players
league and they have a lot of them. I'm Oudam
Ausland and you're listening to Clippers TCK here on n
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Speaker 3 (36:07):
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Speaker 1 (36:18):
I feel like I need to bring back some perspective
here and give you the uh bird's eye view. The
Clippers are nineteen and fifteen in the Western Conference and
have not had Kawhi Leonard for a game yet. For
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people that want to talk about, oh, they aren't playing
hard or the effort isn't there, I repeat, the Clippers
are nineteen and fifteen and haven't had their best player
in one game yet. Tell me another team without their
number one options so far this season that has a
winning record, that hasn't had their best player for one game,
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that has a winning record. Tell me who that team is. Hey,
welcome back in his slippers, Socck. I'm out of Masland
eight six six nine seven seventy eight six six ninety
seven two five seventy Harold in North Hollywood? Is he
gonna stick the knife in again? Harold?
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Don't do it.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Don't do it, Harold, No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I like you, Adam, I like you too, But I
think I'm going crazy with this Kawhi? When's Kawhi? I
even mentioned to you earlier in the year, I said,
when'd you come back? When you said, you said maybe
after the All Star Game. The season is pretty much
it's not as kay, and we still don't have Kawai.
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I don't even think.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Harold play, Harold, what do you want him to do?
Do you want him to scream at his knee and
tell his knee stop being hurt so much? Knee stop
doing that? Is that the logic you are espousing here.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
What I'm saying is if you know people pay good
money to go to a Clipper games and they want
to see the stars, well, this is a general problem
we have in the league now, So.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Guys who are legitimately hurt should play like he should
just cut off his leg and run and hopscotch out there.
What do you want him to do? No? No, what's
the solution, Harold? Do you have a solution, That's what
I'm wondering.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yes, I do. Okay, this is what my solution is.
Don't play Adam, tell him to take the rest of
season off. If it's in your head about that knee, then.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Harold, Harold let me finish. You just said it hurts,
It hurts the league, and it hurts the fans because
you can't play right now. But if he is able
to play, if he does get healthy, you don't want
him to play. When he is able to he will
never be one that It's not about one hundred percent.
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It's about healthy enough to be able to play.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Adam, he if he's not one hundred percent, he won't
not play, he won't eat.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
It depends on how you defined one hundred percent. If
he doesn't have to worry about exacerbating the injury worsening it.
Like Harold, you know he tried to play last year
in the playoffs, and there was a play where he
caught now up and was hanging on the rim and
was scared to drop from it because of the impact
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on his right knee. Yet he was still trying to
No no, no, no, no, no no no no no
no no, you don't get it switched up to the subject.
Do you know that let play it hurt was hanging
from the rim and swinging from it, waiting to be
more still to drop to the floor because he was
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afraid of the impact on his right knee. Did you
know that happened. No okay, no no no no no
no no no no no no no no no no,
because you have been saying he won't play, and let's
he's one hundred percent. Do you think he was one
hundred percent while he was scared to fall to the
floor on that knee, Harold, Yes or no?
Speaker 3 (40:09):
I want to make a point, say you know because you.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Have to pivot because you know I'm right? No, Harold, Harold,
I'm giving you a clear cut example of him playing
not one hundred percent. You just said, Harold, no, no, no, no, no,
go grown as yourself. You're the one that came on
pull him down, Harold, if you if you don't, if
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you don't want to acknowledge the fact that obviously he
has played through it when it's not one hundred percent,
he wasn't right. Going back to twenty fourteen, during that
Spurs run, he wasn't right and played through it. His
trainers have said that watching him limp around during the
twenty nineteen playoffs, he wasn't right for the Raptors and
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played through it. So if you're going to say that
he wasn't one hundred or he won't play unless he's
one hundred percent. I'm going to point to actual examples
when he did play and wasn't one hundred percent. Is
that fair? Is that fair? Harold?
Speaker 6 (41:11):
Why did he Oh my god, he.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Just run through that point because he thought he was healthy. No, no, no,
I'll answer yours, Harold, because he thought he was healthy.
Because he thought he was healthy. No, no, no, I'm
answering yours. Harold. Are you going to acknowledge that I'm
answering it? I am not.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I am acknowledging, fans.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
I just answered your question, and every time I answer it,
you just try to move on to something else. Harold.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
I asked you a question, and I just answered it.
Speaker 7 (41:43):
I just did, Harold.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
You're talking about me not answering your question that I
just answered.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Harold.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
He wanted to play because he thought he was healthy,
and then there was a setback. Do you understand he
thought he was healthy. He thought he was healthy. Okay, Well,
so if Kawhi thinks he's healthy, you shouldn't play basketball.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
He was in healthy, they sent him home.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
If he thought he was healthy, should he not want
to play basketball? So, so first you're saying he won't
play unless he's one hundred percent. Now you're saying he
wasn't healthy and tried to play during Team USA. Thanks
for the phone call, Harold, you prove my point. Oh
my god, Well, take a quick time out. This is
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not the night. This is not the night Chad is.
Chad is having a field day with Harold. Iither you
guys will love this. I have to take a quick
time out because we got one left and we gotta
get out. More Clippers coming up next year.
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Speaker 1 (43:01):
Clippers lose and Clipper Nation is losing their minds again.
The Clippers are nineteen and fifteen without Kawhi Leonard. I
should have just turned the mic on and said that
over and over again for like forty five minutes. That
would have kept me more saying than some of the
comments and phone calls that I've gotten tonight. Thanks Harold
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for contradicting yourself in five different ways. Oh soft pretzel logic,
Love you, Harold. Clippers lose one sixteen to ninety eight
in Okay. See to the thunder. They're back after it.
On Saturday, back home at into It Dome. We'll have
you update on Clippers Talk if we have news on
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Kawhi Leonard, if he'll be available before we get out
of here. I do want to thank the Clippers organization,
Ralph Lawler, Brian Seeman, Noah Ego, Carlo Jimenez, Dan West.
I'm sorry we didn't get to your segment. I was
too busy arguing with disgruntled man do I appreciate, but
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At follow Adam a Adam Osley. Clippers run by sixty
in the first half and then they got thunderclapped one's
sixteen to ninety eight was your final They got outscored
by twenty two points in the third quarter and the
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It was a frustrating suite, but it should probably be addressed.
Thirteen straight wins for OKC. They're on the front end
of a back to back. They got the Nicks at
home tomorrow. I believe SGA finished with twenty nine. The
difference in the game, though, is simply Okase imposing their
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will in the second half and in that third quarter. Specifically,
I said, if you follow the thread on X that
I do for each and every game, I fall out
of May. Near the end of the second quarter, I
was saying, the Clippers better have a double digit lead
going in to the half, or else they're in trouble.
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That's just how it has to be. Because you knew
that run was coming from the Oklahoma City Thunder. You
knew they weren't gonna be able to stay shooting as
they started one for eleven from three. They were gonna
start knocking them down, and they get into their offense
and find themselves in the open floor when they turn
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you over. They are the best in the league at
turning over opponents. At nineteen per game, the Clippers had twenty.
They average twenty three twenty three points off of turnovers
per game best in the league. The Clippers ended up
giving them thirty one points off their twenty turnovers. That's
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the story. Eventually, Oka see did what Okase does? They
turned you over? And oh yeah, they're the best at
taking care of the basketball. They only had ten turnovers
at the Clippers twenty. That's how they beat you. That
so they win games. That's so they have won thirteen straight.
And the game played out that way. I never felt
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comfortable think Daniel West can attest to this. In the
first half, I was saying, it's early, they're up sixteen. Great,
now they have a chance. But the thing I was
saying was they better be up double digits heading in
to the third quarter, and they were only up by four.
As okay see, you got to work got it down
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to six points after an Isaiah Joe three late second quarter,
Amir had a turnover, Norm had a turnover driving as
he had his worst game of the season. Sga would
eventually hit a three a J dub runner to end
the half, and it's a four point game. When the
Clippers were up by as many as sixteen at one point.
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They were on a seventeen to four run in the
first half, but they couldn't hold on to it. And
I don't fault the effort. Some people are confusing effort
and execution in the chat, saying it needs to be
a consistent effort all the way through. Just because you're
losing doesn't mean all of a sudden you've let go
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of the rope or if given up or have stopped
playing hard. That's not that's not the problem. The problem
is you're being out talented. He already don't have kawhi
Arn's man and then no James Harden, Like, what were
your expectations going into this one? I know Sebastian Swinsteiger
(04:34):
said the mush who's always wrong, the Clippers are going
to win. Okay, so he's looking suspect his usual stick.
He'll be in a time out whenever he comes back
to the chat and shows his face. But I just
(04:55):
don't know what your expectations were for the people saying,
oh oh, sky's falling. They went one and two on
the road trip. Awful road trip. Look, they lost a
couple of games the second night of a back to
back against San Antonio, and then they have a day
off and they lose another one in the lions Den
(05:15):
or The Dragon's Lair, which was a disappointing game on
the PC growing up because you really felt like, oh,
are the graphics really this good. No, it's just like
cutscene things, that's all it is. But to play the
best team in the Western Conference that had won twelve
in a row and now it's thirteen, like this is so,
(05:43):
this is not a time to panic cliper Nation. It's not.
And now there's people in here in the chat that
they just can't tell the nuance between effort and execution.
The Clippers were playing hard. Sometimes, believe it or not,
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you can play really hard and gets your butts kicked
because the team is just that much better than you,
because it's a mismatch on paper, and you knew that
heading in. But then you get up by sixteen and
you feel like, oh, we could hang with them. It's
a forty eight minute game. That's why I never got
too high when they were up by sixteen. I knew
(06:25):
what okaysee was about. I knew they started one of
eleven from three and that's not sustainable. I knew the
way the Clippers were shooting it. The mere coffee starting
five to five from three was also not sustainable. So
the Clippers were executing and playing really well early on,
give them credit. Different guys were stepping up. KPJ had
a really good first half. Mobamba had his best game
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maybe as a Clipper, especially in the first half. How
much of that was going to be repeatable as the
game goes along, turns out, typically you regress to the mean,
you revert back to who you are now. Unfortunately for
the Clippers, that never happened with Norman Powell. He started
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zero for five in the first half and never found himself.
Had his worst game of the season. Give credit to OKC,
but he had thirty one the last time out against him.
I understand without James Harden, it's a much tougher thing
when they can key in on you as the number
one option out there, and they were great. He had
a couple of rough calls go against him. I think,
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you know, it's a mix of two things. He had
an off night and also Okac's defense was leaning his way.
They were very good against him. But I mean at
the half, Mobaum had nine points on four to four
shooting and knocked down a three pointer. That's the best
state minutes he had played in the Clippers uniform. So
far KPJ. He had ten points, a couple of nice assists.
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He played well in the first half. Their bench was
outperforming the starters outside of a mere Coffee who got
the start because no James Harden thought of each Zubats
was playing solid basketball like he was bottying Isaiah Hartenstein.
You had a spinning left handed hook off the backboard
against him. Zoo was winning that matchup. They didn't go
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to him Aton and okay, see will double and throw
different defenses at you because they got guys that can
hedge and recover really well and a lot of switchability
out there, and they're just I mean, they took Isaiah
Hartenstein off the floor early on because Zoo was abusing him.
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They put it in the other Jalen Williams. They tried
something immediately. I don't like Zubots even in you know,
a game like this where you ended up getting blown out.
But through three orders he only had nine shots, eleven
and nine and twenty three minutes. And somebody in here
was trying to tell me, you talk about KPJ having
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a bad second half or all his bad moments, but
you don't talk about Avista Zubats having a terrible game.
It's like, can you can you not decipher the difference
between KPJ and Aviza Zubats. Like Aviza Zubats is one
of the most important players on this team, that is
a made man and established in this league. He is
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their last line of defense. He is one of the
best room protectors in the league. He's been like that
forever and this season he's averaging what almost sixteen and twelve.
This guy Alfie, who I think is in the chat
right now, if you guys see him in here, uh,
maybe you could point out his flawed logic because he goes, Dude,
(10:00):
you're just biased when it comes to KPJ. Look at Zoo.
You can't tell me he's having a terrible game. Poor
phrasing there. Well, Zoo wasn't having a terrible game. I
wouldn't call it a good game or a great game.
It was a slightly below average game, not a terrible game.
But he goes, you won't mention that. Be shameless. Seriously,
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if everyone plays badly, hold everyone accountable, don't cherry pick.
The reason that I'm highlighting KPJ is because it turns
out that he's not established as a clipper. Yet you
know you have to have it eat the zoobots out there.
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We don't know who KPJ is as a player. You
don't know possession to possession, who he is as a player.
It has been extremely up and down, and that is
being kind. So I praised him in the first half
when he had a good first half, and then I
criticized him in the second half because he had an
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objectively bad second half. And this guy comes in here
and has tried to tell me, Oh, you're biased for
Vitza Zubas. I'm not worried about Avitza Zubos. I'm worried
about KPJ ever finding a consistent rhythm out there, because
he hasn't done it yet. He hasn't. Oh, ALFI changed
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his name. I think in the chat he doesn't want
people to know that that was him. He said, So
this guy put me on time out because I called
you out over your biasness. I don't think he understands
what bias is. His bias is thinking that I have
a bias against KPJ, who I literally have a tweet
for that says in the preseason, I've seen it enough.
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I think he could be the starting two guard at
some point for the Clippers. And now you're saying I'm
biased against him. Uh, KPJ had a fair game the least,
but your favorite Norm Zoo Done had terrible games. Hold
them accountable. Zoo and Done did not have terrible games. Like,
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some people can't be the least bit objective, and it
is painfully obvious on here. I know it's social media,
it's anonymous, you can hide behind all this stuff. But
the KPJ hive is something else. I mean, it's not
the russ hive, but it is completely illogical. Like somebody
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wants me to what lie and say KPJ is not
smoking layups or trying to go one on two in
the second half to get tough buckets and making life
much more difficult on the Clippers, or having a bad
offensive foul. Like what am I supposed to say? You
want me to lie about it and say those players
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aren't happening. I'm watching the game. I've literally said Norman
Powells at a really bad game, his worst game of
the season. The difference is they're not the same. Norman
KPJ aren't the same. KPJY and Zoo not the same.
KPJ and Emir is not the same. We know who
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a mere coffee is as a player, So don't come
in here and try to tell me that I needed
to treat KPJ the same way I treat Zoo. I'm
looking to see if KPJ can be a real winning
player in this league. I already know if viatz Zubas
is that. I don't need to worry about that with him. Yeah,
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he needs to play better. The Clippers need to find
him more like, it goes both ways. I've criticized him
even with the great season of beats zoobots is having.
I have criticized his free throw shooting as good as
he has been this season, where he's played at like
a if you're an all star level for the center position.
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I have still criticized this free throw shooting. But this
guy will come in here and say, oh, you're biased, Like, yeah,
what do you think you're getting a time out? Check
your own bias, Like stop caring about one player more
than the team. These stands, they don't care about the Clippers.
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They have agendas. They just care about promoting their player
and protecting them at all times, regardless of the type
of game they have like, I'm here to find the
truth of what is the best version of this Clippers
team and who needs to be playing. Clippers lose by
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eighteen in Okay See to the Thunder final score one
sixteen to ninety eight. They are back back again at
into a Dome on Saturday. They're taking on the Atlanta Hawks.
Will Kawhi Leonard be back. You're gonna hear from Lob
Murray next. I'm out of Mosland and this is Clippers
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It continues, ry a guy in here trying to compare
KPJ to Aviza Zoo Bots. After the Clippers lose one
sixteen to ninety eight in Oklahoma City to the Thunder.
This guy, Alfie Chico, said, I am a stan yet
here you are saying Zoo is a winning player. Zoo
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is a winning player. He wins his minutes consistently. It's
one of the highest plus minuses on the team. I
don't think you understand what makes somebody a winning player?
What has he won like, seriously, I got time to
go back and forth with you. I don't get wrecked this,
(16:11):
this is a pure block. I got better things to
talk about. Appreciate you guys that bring a little bit
of sanity to the chat here after the Clippers lose
and people think KPJ is on the same pedestal as
of eats A Zubats, even though he has done nothing
in this league to prove that. I am hoping for
the best with KPJ. I see the vision, I see
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why the Clippers are giving him this opportunity completely, but
he still has to prove that you can win periods
of games when he's out there on the court. That's
what we need to see, and we haven't seen it
so far. And he had a really good first half.
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And I can understand the logic of he was trying
to force it in this and half because nobody was
getting anything. Fine, if it wasn't, if there weren't all
these other plays from him that, you know, change that also,
I guess should be added into the context of my
viewpoint on KPJ. I'd say, yeah, you're right, it's just
(17:19):
a uh, it's a one off. But it hasn't been
a one off and we're thirty four games in. Like
there are guys in here like Rock in the chat,
like he's he's a KPJ fan obviously, but he's not
a stand he's not crazy. He's not saying like KPJ
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and Zoo have proven the same amount of stuff in
the NBA so far, they haven't. A visa Zoo Bots
is one of the better centers in the league. Now
it gets proven. Ibata Zoobots needs more touches, if anything.
With KPJ, he needs to take less shots, get others involved,
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because I've seen his playmaking get a little bit better
it has. I think it's just so up and down.
And I'm not putting this loss on him at all.
I'm just trying to point out why Alfie is no
longer going to be seeing the chat here because anybody
(18:30):
that can't understand the difference between those two players, I
can't sit here and debate it. I want you to
hear from La Murray of the Athletic But first, let's
pause ten seconds for station identification. Here on A five
seven ELS Sports, this.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Is LA Clippers Basketball AM five seventy KLAC Los Angeles
ninety seven KYSR HD two Los Angeles and iHeartRadio station.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
All right, so pregame, we add the law on La
Murray and I had to ask him the most appropriate
question for what's coming on Saturday with the Clippers back
home had into a dome taken on the Atlanta Hawks,
and him putting out the report of the last week
that that is the target return date for Kawhi keyword there. Target.
(19:18):
Nothing has been confirmed or made official by this Clippers
team yet, But here was Law Murray pregame giving us
an update Saturday night, back it into a dome, the
Clippers will be taken on the Atlanta Hawks. So La Murray,
it begs the question, is Kawhi Leonard still on track
to be available to go in his first game this
(19:38):
season on Saturday?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Well, when I reported last week there was a target dates,
that's all I could really say. And that's not something
that the organization is pushing or anything like that. That's
Kawhi's target date. And we know that just because Kawhi
feels like he's ready or or has a date circle,
(20:01):
that doesn't always work out. We've seen that across the
league with a lot of guys. You know, they've had
to had their wrap up period. They might feel like
they're ready and then it doesn't work out. So I
will say he hasn't been ruled out. That is a
positive as far as I'm concerned. And you know, when
(20:22):
you look at what's happening to he got to practice
with the G League team and that was a pretty
big deal. He went through multiple practices. Sound like it
came out came out pretty well with that, and so
we'll have to see if the team is willing to
put him out there for Saturday night. So I'm just
(20:46):
going to say that's a lot there. All I thing
really is, nothing has changed based off of what I
reported last week.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I'm gonna admit this, it doesn't sound as promising as
it did when you first put out their report. I
think that's fair to say Daniel West has shaking his
head too. It seems more uncertain than when the initial
report came out. I'm just gonna be honest about that.
I don't know how you guys feel in here, But again,
(21:19):
the team has not confirmed any of this. This is
just lat Marie of the athletic I know he has
good source sources and good information. I'm not doubting any
of that. But until I think this is how most
people feel, until you see Kawhi out there on the court,
in the starting lineup, like it's hard to believe it.
(21:43):
He hasn't played since Game three of that playoff series
back in April against the Maps. He hasn't been ruled
out yet, that's true, Bryant pointing that out. Jay Dogg said,
shaking my head. I told you guys. Mark Jack said,
(22:06):
I'm a big Kawhi fan, but I'm almost not caring anymore.
Not trying to be funny, but when he comes back,
or if he comes back, I'm happy. Obviously, If there's
any breaking news regarding Kawhi and his availability for that
game on Saturday, we'll have you covered at Clipper's Talk
(22:27):
on the YouTube side. I will go live right away.
But until then, it's just it feels like a little
bit in question in doubt versus last week, everybody said
he's back on this date. It never was that. It
(22:47):
never was a guarantee. It was a target date, but
I thought things might be a little bit more solidified
at this point with it just less than forty eight
hours away. It could still happen, But nothing is definite.
Mike and La you're on Clipper stop without a Mamason?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Was that?
Speaker 5 (23:09):
Mike, Hey, Adam, you know I understand that obviously. Okay
See is great at causing teams to have turnovers, and
you know that's what they do. But the annoying thing
for me is that this has been a problem with
the Clippers all season, even when they play teams that
aren't okay See. You know, we still have have issues
(23:32):
with turnovers.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
Yeah, and you.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Know it's you know, turnovers and free throws. I'm not saying,
you know, we lost the game tonight because of free throws,
but you know we missed six of them, and it
just I mean, you know, those have been problems with
with other teams, and I just don't know how. I mean,
I don't see you getting Kawhi back at making you know,
(23:56):
such a huge difference in either of those.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Oh, it will in either of us. I can tell
you exactly why it will, because one of the reasons
they've been turning the basketball over so much is because
it's the thing I've been saying since day one this year.
They have a thirty five year old with the usage
rating of a twenty five year old in James Harden
and then without him tonight. Okay, So now Chris Dunn
(24:19):
is your lead ball handler all of a sudden, and
now KPJ has the ball in his hands more, and
you have other lineups, and you're going up against the
team that creates the most deflections in the league, that
creates the most turnovers in the league, and you don't
have your traditional floor general. And even when you do
have him, yes, he is often gassed because he's playing
(24:41):
heavy minutes and trying to do things like he used
to in Houston because they don't have a better option
right now. When Kawhi is there, the ball will be
in his hands a lot. That usage rating for James
Harden will drop significantly quickly. I'm not saying it's gonna
happen overnight within the first week with Kawhi back, but
over time, I do believe they will start turning the
(25:03):
basketball over less.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
I hope you're right, man, I hope you are right.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
All right.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Appreciate the phone call Mike, Mike pointing out some of
the flaws and errors with this Clippers team and just
weaknesses that have been going on all season long. And
I get it. I just I don't know how anybody.
I'm not saying everybody watched my preview going into this game,
but I tried to make it very clear, this is
(25:31):
what okayse does really well, and that's what happened tonight.
So I wasn't surprised by any of it. You have
a team that turns the ball over a lot against
a team that turns the opposition over a lot, what
did you think was gonna happen? I admit the Clippers
did a nice job early on. I think some of
(25:53):
that was because the OKC thunder just weren't as focused
because they knew that the Clippers didn't have James Harden
and they have bigger fish to fry tomorrow night against
the Knicks. I could see that part of this was
(26:14):
probably a let down from them. Out of the gates.
They got serious in the second half. They turned up
the volume, they turned up the gas, and that is
when the Clippers started to struggle, and their ball pressure
was much better and they had eight turnovers in the
third quarter of the Clippers league is seventeen points. Some
(26:36):
people in here talking about just real big picture stuff
like what can we get for Kawhi Leonard trade? It's
like he hasn't played a game, not much. He hasn't
played a game yet. This guy, Adam rr is like,
(26:59):
can they win the champion ship this year? Tell me?
Can they trade Kawhi? Tell me? He's just asking this
very casual. I'm sorry, Adam, uh questions that we have
talked about four months, which is you know, it's just
can somebody else handle that in the chat please? I
gotta see these phone calls. Uh, hey, Zeus and al Hambro,
you're on Clippers Soft with Adam Mawson. What's up his zoos?
Speaker 6 (27:22):
Hey, what's up Adam? Thanks for taking my call?
Speaker 7 (27:24):
Man?
Speaker 6 (27:26):
Was the rough loss man? Two losses in a row.
It's it's a bummer. You know, we have been playing,
you know, fairly well. But like you said, man, what
do you expect when we ain't got you know, Kawhi Leonard,
and when we ain't got our next best guy James Harden,
which I mean you know he's been he's been carrying
a huge, uh a huge part of this load for us,
and you know it's just, you know, we we really
(27:47):
can't expect much more, man. You know, like the guys
that we needed to step up, they stepped up, you know.
But they're a great role players, great complimentary pieces when
we have you know, Norman Pow and James Harden and
Kawhi all firing on all cylinders. And unfortunately we don't
have that, man, So you know, this is what we're
gonna expect. But still, you know, you know, on the
(28:08):
bright side, man, you know, a mere coffee what he did, Mobamba,
which you know, he's been very inconsistent, you know, this
season and stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Man, but he's been bad.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
He's been bad. He's been bad. All right, all right,
he was good on the first half to night, and
I hoped he can build off of this because I
saw a different level of energy from Mobamba. I thought
the first couple of games with the Clippers he played
with more spirit, more activity out there, and I saw
that again tonight. I just need more of that now.
I wonder, and I have wondered if his three point
(28:38):
shot basically being non existent so far this season, when
he has been a league average three point shooter at
seven feet tall throughout his career, that is a part
of his game. I've wondered, because he was shooting twenty
percent from three heading into this game, if that has
killed his confidence, and you know he knocked one down
and maybe that helped lift his spirits a little bit.
Speaker 6 (29:02):
That could be it, man, You know, that could be
a you know, so you know when when you when
they say you get the yips, you know, nothing's falling
for you and stuff, and you just get into your
head and and it's you know, it becomes even tougher
and tougher to score, man, until you can break that
and get like you said, get your confidence back. Man.
But I didn't want to touch on something else. I've
seen this, this picture circulating on social media with Kawhi,
(29:24):
you know, back at practice stuff like that. It was
about like say, maybe like a few days ago on Instagram, but.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Do you follow me? Do you listen to the show
on Clippers Talk? Are you talking about versus the right leg?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, I've already dressed it ten different times.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
All right, man, Sorry to bring it up again, man,
but yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Everybody trying to make something out of one angle because
Clippers read it, you know, misery loves company. They just
want to be doomers or the guy named depressed Clipper
fan or something like that. On Instagram. First of all,
they were saying like his left legs. Something was wrong
with it. It looked flexed. His right leg wasn't. I'm
(30:14):
not going to acknowledge that stuff. I literally saw Kawhi
at media day. I didn't notice the difference between both legs.
Like guys, If there was some significant difference between both
legs to that degree, do you think the training staff
would have noticed it and wouldn't have picked up on
(30:34):
a Well, maybe he's over compensating or one leg is
too weak for him to play right now? You think
they would let him play if that picture was anything
to be concerned about. Uh? Yeah, Alfonso and San Dimas.
Great night here, Alfonso. What's up here on Clipper stoff
without Amazan?
Speaker 7 (30:56):
Hey, how's it.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Going at him?
Speaker 7 (30:57):
I had a question. I know we got some injuries
on the team, and you know, Kawhi some.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Their best player hasn't played a game yet, and then
James Harden doesn't play tonight, and some people want to say, well,
the Clippers, they just laid down or they didn't play hard.
It's like, my god, can you give the best team
in the Western Conference some credit? It turns out when
they turn up the gas, they're tough to hang with.
It doesn't mean the Clippers weren't trying hard. Okay, see
is that good?
Speaker 7 (31:25):
Oh yeah, most definitely? But U But as far as
I know the trade deadline coming up, I was wondering, like,
like I know, like on the margins, like kind of
like a trade for like a Cam Johnson or like
Collin Sexton and be made.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
How are they gonna trade for Cam Johnson? Like, here's
the point I keep making Alfonso? First of all, why
would they make a trade to raise their ceiling when
they can only win a championship if Kawhi Leonard's healthy
and they haven't seen Kawhi Leonard out there yet and
to see if he can't stay healthy, Why would you
make a move and give up more future assets if
(32:01):
you don't even know if Kawhi can stay healthy, because
you have no chance to win a championship if you can't. Right, yeah,
so so so should they see? So should they see
Alfonso first before making a trade and giving up more
future assets if Kawhi can stay healthy?
Speaker 7 (32:20):
Of course I agree with that totally, But I'm not
like trying to like do go crazy or you know,
give up crazy draftings?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
What do you think is gonna take for Cam Johnson,
my man, Cam Johnson is going to take at least
a first round pick.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
Yeah, unfortunately, Yeah, that's that's true. Then then yeah, then
that's not a trade to be amazing. And that the
Lakers just did with Phinney Smith, like I know, like
it's like three gave up three second round picks, like
you know, I was curious, like you know, like with
the Clippers they were able to do that kind of
a trade for him, and they you know what I mean.
(32:56):
But like you said, you gotta.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Wait for Kawhi.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
He is, he's a better player than Finny Smith. He
would cost you more than what they gave up for
Finney Smith. So those two players aren't equal. They can
get a lot more. And the problem is, Alfonso, and
I appreciate the question, I do, but every team in
the league just about has more assets to give up
(33:22):
to win a bidding war against the Clippers, right, yes,
So if any other team is also going for that
good player, and they are because they know about him too,
it's gonna be tough for the Clippers to be able
to get them, nor should they be trying to right
now until this Ye how Kawhi Leonard looks, but I
(33:43):
appreciate you, my guy. Anything else, No, Well.
Speaker 7 (33:47):
That's thing I know, well, that's that's the thing where
I know they're holding on a PDA Tucker because of
the money situation, so they could like fit in some
kind of trade if possible. So if there's nothing out,
I guess, like the team's not like you said, there's
no worth worth Well, you got a way to see
with Kawhi. Then you know the PG Tuckers that they
(34:08):
just just eat it for the rest of the year.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I guess, well, that's interesting. I mean the PJ. Tucker
eleven million dollars expiring deal that you bring up there, Alfonso,
that is something that will be sought after I think
near the trade deadline where a team knows they're out
of it and they're just looking at their salary going
into next year, and maybe they want them cap really
(34:32):
for the ability to get under the first or second apron.
So they give up a player that makes eleven million
but has two more years left on his deal, and
isn't it expiring like PJ Tuckers is, they might be
able to get something decent for PJ Tucker, Not Cam Johnson,
not calling Sexton, unless you know he's included with other
(34:53):
assets and other draft capital or something like that. But
I don't think it's out of the Roman possibility that
they are able to trade him for something. How good
that something is, we'll see, but it's a good question.
I appreciate you all. Fonso, call me back on Saturday,
all right, yeah, all right, there's all funds. Though, we'll
take a pick of time out. We'll come back. Clippers
(35:15):
lose badly again, so we're talking about everything, but the
loss again. They were up by four and a half.
They were playing really good basketball. Okay, so he was
also playing I don't know their D minus brand of basketball.
Once they started playing their B minus brand of basketball,
(35:35):
you sell the difference in talent between the two teams
and the third quarter. They won that quarter by twenty
two points. They won the game by eighteen. They won
thirteen straight. It's okay. Doesn't mean the Clippers weren't playing
hard just because they got beat up. Sometimes you're just
at such a talent disadvantage it doesn't matter. I don't
(35:56):
know if you guys have heard this. It's a players
league and they have a lot of them. I'm Oudam
Ausland and you're listening to Clippers TCK here on n
FI seventy LA Sports.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
The lag Clippers. You're listening to LA Clippers Basketball. Take
us with you wherever you are on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
I feel like I need to bring back some perspective
here and give you the uh bird's eye view. The
Clippers are nineteen and fifteen in the Western Conference and
have not had Kawhi Leonard for a game yet. For
(36:40):
people that want to talk about, oh, they aren't playing
hard or the effort isn't there, I repeat, the Clippers
are nineteen and fifteen and haven't had their best player
in one game yet. Tell me another team without their
number one options so far this season that has a
winning record, that hasn't had their best player for one game,
(37:04):
that has a winning record. Tell me who that team is. Hey,
welcome back in his slippers, Socck. I'm out of Masland
eight six six nine seven seventy eight six six ninety
seven two five seventy Harold in North Hollywood? Is he
gonna stick the knife in again? Harold?
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Don't do it.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Don't do it, Harold, No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Hey.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I like you, Adam, I like you too, But I
think I'm going crazy with this Kawhi? When's Kawhi? I
even mentioned to you earlier in the year, I said,
when'd you come back? When you said, you said maybe
after the All Star Game. The season is pretty much
it's not as kay, and we still don't have Kawai.
(37:45):
I don't even think.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Harold play, Harold, what do you want him to do?
Do you want him to scream at his knee and
tell his knee stop being hurt so much? Knee stop
doing that? Is that the logic you are espousing here.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
What I'm saying is if you know people pay good
money to go to a Clipper games and they want
to see the stars, well, this is a general problem
we have in the league now, So.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Guys who are legitimately hurt should play like he should
just cut off his leg and run and hopscotch out there.
What do you want him to do? No? No, what's
the solution, Harold? Do you have a solution, That's what
I'm wondering.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yes, I do. Okay, this is what my solution is.
Don't play Adam, tell him to take the rest of
season off. If it's in your head about that knee, then.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Harold, Harold let me finish. You just said it hurts,
It hurts the league, and it hurts the fans because
you can't play right now. But if he is able
to play, if he does get healthy, you don't want
him to play. When he is able to he will
never be one that It's not about one hundred percent.
(38:56):
It's about healthy enough to be able to play.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Adam, he if he's not one hundred percent, he won't
not play, he won't eat.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
It depends on how you defined one hundred percent. If
he doesn't have to worry about exacerbating the injury worsening it.
Like Harold, you know he tried to play last year
in the playoffs, and there was a play where he
caught now up and was hanging on the rim and
was scared to drop from it because of the impact
(39:26):
on his right knee. Yet he was still trying to
No no, no, no, no, no no no no no
no no, you don't get it switched up to the subject.
Do you know that let play it hurt was hanging
from the rim and swinging from it, waiting to be
more still to drop to the floor because he was
(39:47):
afraid of the impact on his right knee. Did you
know that happened. No okay, no no no no no
no no no no no no no no no no,
because you have been saying he won't play, and let's
he's one hundred percent. Do you think he was one
hundred percent while he was scared to fall to the
floor on that knee, Harold, Yes or no?
Speaker 3 (40:09):
I want to make a point, say you know because you.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Have to pivot because you know I'm right? No, Harold, Harold,
I'm giving you a clear cut example of him playing
not one hundred percent. You just said, Harold, no, no, no, no, no,
go grown as yourself. You're the one that came on
pull him down, Harold, if you if you don't, if
(40:33):
you don't want to acknowledge the fact that obviously he
has played through it when it's not one hundred percent,
he wasn't right. Going back to twenty fourteen, during that
Spurs run, he wasn't right and played through it. His
trainers have said that watching him limp around during the
twenty nineteen playoffs, he wasn't right for the Raptors and
(40:54):
played through it. So if you're going to say that
he wasn't one hundred or he won't play unless he's
one hundred percent. I'm going to point to actual examples
when he did play and wasn't one hundred percent. Is
that fair? Is that fair? Harold?
Speaker 6 (41:11):
Why did he Oh my god, he.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Just run through that point because he thought he was healthy. No, no, no,
I'll answer yours, Harold, because he thought he was healthy.
Because he thought he was healthy. No, no, no, I'm
answering yours. Harold. Are you going to acknowledge that I'm
answering it? I am not.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I am acknowledging, fans.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
I just answered your question, and every time I answer it,
you just try to move on to something else. Harold.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
I asked you a question, and I just answered it.
Speaker 7 (41:43):
I just did, Harold.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
You're talking about me not answering your question that I
just answered.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Harold.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
He wanted to play because he thought he was healthy,
and then there was a setback. Do you understand he
thought he was healthy. He thought he was healthy. Okay, Well,
so if Kawhi thinks he's healthy, you shouldn't play basketball.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
He was in healthy, they sent him home.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
If he thought he was healthy, should he not want
to play basketball? So, so first you're saying he won't
play unless he's one hundred percent. Now you're saying he
wasn't healthy and tried to play during Team USA. Thanks
for the phone call, Harold, you prove my point. Oh
my god, Well, take a quick time out. This is
(42:31):
not the night. This is not the night Chad is.
Chad is having a field day with Harold. Iither you
guys will love this. I have to take a quick
time out because we got one left and we gotta
get out. More Clippers coming up next year.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
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Take us with you wherever you are on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Clippers lose and Clipper Nation is losing their minds again.
The Clippers are nineteen and fifteen without Kawhi Leonard. I
should have just turned the mic on and said that
over and over again for like forty five minutes. That
would have kept me more saying than some of the
comments and phone calls that I've gotten tonight. Thanks Harold
(43:26):
for contradicting yourself in five different ways. Oh soft pretzel logic,
Love you, Harold. Clippers lose one sixteen to ninety eight
in Okay. See to the thunder. They're back after it.
On Saturday, back home at into It Dome. We'll have
you update on Clippers Talk if we have news on
(43:49):
Kawhi Leonard, if he'll be available before we get out
of here. I do want to thank the Clippers organization,
Ralph Lawler, Brian Seeman, Noah Ego, Carlo Jimenez, Dan West.
I'm sorry we didn't get to your segment. I was
too busy arguing with disgruntled man do I appreciate, but
(44:11):
I appreciate you, Daniel West much more until Saturday with
the pregame show starting at six point thirty. I'm out
of Mason. Everyone take care, we'll talk to you then.
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