Tomer Azarly on Everything Clippers Offseason in a Live Episode

Clippers Talk Live with Adam Auslund and Tomer Azarly on youtube is now here in podcast form. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's a Clipperstock live. Welcome in. I'm out of Maslins
and we will wait for some people to start joining
us here in the chat. Just let us know if
you can hear us. I got Tomara Azarie on today.
It's just the fourth live we've done on this channel
that's only been up on YouTube for about a month. Now.
Appreciate everyone. We're at two thousand followers already. I am

(00:21):
shocked as well. I love you all, Clipper Nation, and
I don't care that a lot of people are saying
there's nothing to talk about it the dog days of
the NBA season. We're here. There's plenty to talk about.
Had Don McClain on yesterday, had the guys from clip
cast on on Monday, before that, Poll Sheer was on.

(00:41):
We had Low Murray on last week. It's been a lot.
And speaking of a lot, now we have Tomara Zari
on from Clutch Points, who is counting all the different
guests I had on before bringing him on, which I
know there may be a little bit of bitterness and acrimony,
but Tomara, I'm going to to the text messages now.
You know you know I am the receipt master. I

(01:05):
didn't want to have to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
I'm not a great responder. Off top, I'm not a
great responder. You are also quick to find an alternate,
which credit to you. You got to do that in
your business, in your spot.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
You gotta find an alternate. There's no alternate. I didn't
have anybody else lined up today before I texted you.
I didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
I haven't forgotten that one time. But with Russo, I'm like,
I'm going to do pregam with Adam. He goes, I'm
going to do pregame with Adam, and I was like,
maybe I.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Want you both. Maybe I want you both on at
the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
We fumbled. We fumbled. You're right, you.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Fumbled the bag. How could you? I just remember you
texting me after Brian Seaman was on the show three
weeks ago and he went off a little bit on
Paul George and you texted me about that episode, and
I said, hey, you're next, and what did you say?
What did you say? I can't follow that up? That's crazy. Well,

(02:00):
he said, you didn't want to follow up Brian. So
I was like, all right, I guess I guess we'll
wait for toe Mayor to settle down a little bit,
or at least some of the podcast guests to settle
down so he doesn't have to follow anyone too big.
You're only following Don McClain now, by the way, for
his analyst who came on here today.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
So much better. I was actually watching that Brian episode
of the Gym and the Treadmill, and I just felt
more pumped. I was like another hour, watch listen to this,
this is interesting.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
So no, Brian does run five miles a day, so
you were right in his wheelhouse there, fine, semen, that's
his workout routine. At least it was for a while,
he said. Once he got over the age of forty,
it became tougher.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Speaking of I remember we had that conversation. I think
it was this season about Tom Cruise, and I'm not
a big Tom Cruise guy. Never watched the Mission Impossibles,
but I've started. I'm sure Brian's gonna be ecstatic to
hear that as a big Tom Cruise guy.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Where are you at? Where you at in the series?

Speaker 2 (02:53):
I just finished Mission Impossible three.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Oh, that's the Jar Jar Abrams s director or direct Yes, yes,
it does have the Philip Seymour hoppin Bad guy. Uh,
which is pretty cool because he's one of my all
time favorite actors. He was good in it, and he.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Was pretty bad. Yeah, I was worried because the second
one was a little bit too slow. They stretched every
scene another extra five minutes, so I was concerned.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
But uh, that was John Wu. That was action director
John Wu who did the second one.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
I think, you know what, that makes sense because a
lot of the fight scenes they were kind of like
some some slow zoom in on some some some some
fights and certain certain things. So that actually makes a
lot of sense now that you mentioned I didn't even
pay atention to that.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
I think he did face off and like sudden death
with John Claude van dam back in the day. I
think that's the John Wo I'm thinking of. But I
think they get better from here. This is the real
turning point when you get to the fourth one. I
haven't watched many of them because I'm just not that
big of an action guy. But from everything I've heard recently,
because they kind of took the mantle from uh the

(04:00):
Matt Damon ones, the Born series, Yeah, yeah, well they
stopped and uh, it's the mission impossible possible movies that
are not stopping anytime soon. So they're trying to get
that audience. You're getting that spill over it.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
It's there, it's the budget's there, and the audience clearly
is there. So John Wick too.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
They're trying to take from him. Todd Tate wants to
say good afternoon, Adam and tomayr. Yeah, get everybody in here.
I don't even know how long we're going here. I
forgot to ask to Mayor what time he needs to
get out by. Just tell me, just give me the signals,
say Purple Raccoon when you need to get out. At
some point, nobody will know that we were that. That
was our little message to another to.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
What what's your longest life? How long has that been?

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Last week with Law Murray it was an hour and
fifty five minutes.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
You want to try to beat that? What?

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Okay? That is basically taking up the time you could
have been watching a Mission impossible for.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
No Mission Impossible is an evening, like you know, once
I'm done work and everything. It's kind of like the
you know, maybe a little bit with dinner, a little
bit after dinner to wind down kind of movie. So
they're two hours long. They're two I think last like
two hours and six minutes, so they they it's a while.
It takes a while to get through them.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
I think there's one with just Jeremy Renner too. The
Tom Cruise is not in. Does that sound Mission Impossible?
I feel like that, or maybe I think.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Supremacy Born movie. Uh, he did a Bourne movie with
just him was a solo one.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Is the next one called ghost Protocol in the Mission Impossible.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Series, I believe. So that's the one I saw on
the preview yesterday.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
I think that is many people's favorites. The Mission Impole connoisseurs.
Ghost Protocol is high up on the list. So you
may be answering the meat of the series.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Now, all right, I mean it's been good, it's been
good so far.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
But yeah, this is not Clippers talk so far. This
is Mission Impossible talk. Uh, we can move on from
that a little bit of a tangent. As Brian Semen
is not a fan of Tom Cruise, I no.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
I think he is. He is. He was surprised that
I hadn't seen any any Time Cruise movies and he
was like, well, he's great, He's this and that. I'm
pretty sure. I'm pretty sure we had a whole debate
about this.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yeah, I do have a soft spot for Tom Cruise movies,
whether they're action movies or not. I like stuff like
the Color of Money with Paul Newman. Now that is
an all time sequel, right there, Scorsese did that. People
don't even realize it's a sequel. It's a great movie.
So I like Tom Cruise Born on the fourth of July.
Some of his lesser known movies. That's the Oliver Stone movie,

(06:32):
the Vietnam One with him. How about Vanilla Sky with
Tom Cruise, one of my all time favorite movies.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
You lost me on those.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
That is, who did that one?

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (06:41):
I forget. I'll get back to it at some point.
We're going too far. Cameron craw jym I thirteen twenty
four says, you guys need to watch the show South
Beach Toe Man. That show as funny as ef All
the episodes are on YouTube, all right. That we're really
veering off now, don't know who's in South Beach Toe series.

(07:03):
I think we're going to talk about the Clippers now.
I think we can officially start the show. I apologize, guys,
we are way off track. Let's start with this toe
mar I wrote down a few different questions, and I
want to get you to give me and the audience
an update regarding Kawhi Leonard, because I know we talked

(07:25):
about this on Clips and Dip with you the last
time you were on, maybe within the last month. But
just how are you feeling about the situation with him
not playing with Team USA and coach lou coming out
in that ESPN article by om Young Masuk who's going
to be joining me next week. I think how you
feel about the prospect of Kawhi playing but definitely probably

(07:47):
not playing. Uh, I don't know back to back to
this season? How do they manage him?

Speaker 2 (07:54):
What is this the third straight year, fourth fourth year,
I guess out of the year that he missed completely.
I mean, I don't think we're at all surprised that
he's not gonna be playing back to back. I'm not sure.
I didn't read all of them's peace with Ty. I
did talk to Ty this offseason, so like I hadn't
specifically talked about Kawhi in a situation. But you know,

(08:19):
as long as he's ready for training camp, I think
you can get a good start from there. I think
we saw last year it was really important for them
to just establish their identity, which is a bit of
a scary word around those parts.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
But yeah, what was their identity? Tell me about that,
because I heard last training camp they were trying to
be a top five defense and then they finished seventeenth
at the end of the year.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Well, the thing was, I think I think they ran
a lot. They got into a much better conditioning shape
and they were I mean every practice in a while
that we talked to them, they were just like sweating
their asses off the towels right there. They were just like, yeah,
we ran a lot today, we ran a lot today.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
They said they were going to be the most well
conditioned team I think right, and.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
I think they were. They were, on some level pretty
pretty well conditioned. I think, you know the trade. It's
happened early, but it also happened after they spent a
month of camp getting acclimated with those guys. And then
you bring in a literal system in James Arden, and

(09:20):
you you don't have to overhaul things, but you do
have to change a lot of what you were doing
because of just how good of a playmaker, a three
level score a playmaker he is, you know, just just
the gravity that he commands being out there is much
different than Russell Westbrook and so I think on some
level it completely changed some of what they were trying

(09:41):
to do. Like I think they wanted to run a
lot un once they got James here. I don't know
where they were in transition oftens, but I don't think
they ran that often, uh there. Most of the transition
opportunities came from Terrence, it came from Russ and that
was basically it. They were pretty much a half court team.
James liked in a half court Kawhi and you can't

(10:02):
blame them, but you know, I think.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
I just looked this up yesterday. Those two guys finish
top two in points per possession in isolation Kawhi and
James Harden. When you look at guys that at least
had two hundred possessions in isolation, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
They were. They were the best among the best by
far at just scoring out of isolations or creating for
their teammate or whatever. So no, but going back to
the Kah, I think like I think, I think, you know,
as long as he's ready for training camp, you can
establish your base principles because this is a much different
teams You's not like you're bringing back the same team
for the last couple of years, so you kind of

(10:42):
know each other. You're bringing back Derek, You're bringing Derek
Jones Jr. You know, brand new system. I think this
is the third team in three years for him, It's
not mistaken. So that's something he's got to get acclimated with.
You know, I think Chris Dunn is expected to have
a pretty significant role in this team as point of
attack defender, which is something they've significantly missed. Anytime they

(11:03):
go against the speedy point guard, you know they're about
to get cooked because they can't defend the point guard position.
And so that's one of the reasons they went out
and got and got Chris Dune, a guy who you know,
is just known for being a good on ball defender,
and especially at that point guard position. That position, especially
anytime they went up against the deer and Fox or

(11:23):
something like that, you knew they were gonna get cooked. Now,
Deeran's a great player, it's not anything to do with him,
but those guys kick when those breakdown when those yeah,
when those breakdowns just happened so quickly at the time,
you know, from the head of the snake. That just
affects everything as far as rotations and other guys getting
open look when the shouldn't because guys have the rotate
over to all that stuff. So I think that's a

(11:45):
big addition with with with with Chris done as well,
so not only co I being healthy and you know,
I really I'm kind of done talking about the TV
USA stuff and we can talk about it. I just
don't really have too much to say because we've seen
what it was and you know, kind of just turned
out the way with I wish he had an opportunity
to play. I think that's, you know, once in a
lifetime opportunity twelve guys get to go out there and

(12:07):
then represent their country. Would have been cool, But you
know the flip side is he got to spend an
offseason fully recover it.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
And I do think this is a rare case where
Kawhi has heard some of the talk and some of
the chatter because what didn't happen with Team USA, and
for someone like him, who is the most professional and
hardest worker, as we've heard the stories, it may have
even lit a fire under Kawhi Leonard, not that he's
someone that has ever needed that, but just the talk

(12:36):
of everything surrounding Team USA and leaving him off when
that was one of his bucket list type of goals.
I wouldn't be shocked if somebody asked him that question
at Media Day coming up on the thirtieth and GOAUI
will probably try to downplay it, but I would not
be shocked if Kawhi has a little bit extra motivation
this season. Miles Johnson wants to ask you when he

(12:58):
says big ups. Guys just wanted to get to Mary
thoughts on the upcoming CLIP season and what if anything
can they do to get back into contention?

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Tomar I mean, I don't know that there'll be championship
contenders this year. I really think this is going to
be more of a transitional year, similar to the year
that they lost Chris Paul or you know, signing traded
Chris Paul to the Houston Rockets, got some good complimentary
pieces back. I think it's similar to that in the
sense that they got a lot of those pieces back
this offseason, not via trade, but you got back at Darren's,

(13:26):
Derek Jones Junior, You're able to sign Nick Patoom, you
facilitated and signing trade for Chris Dunn, so you've got
different pieces back to kind of build a much better
overall roster. So I'm really not sure they'll be a
contender this year, but I think the blueprint to create
a team similar that like the one they had in
eighteen to nineteen, which is, you know, hard playing solid

(13:49):
team defense. You got a couple of dogs out there,
it was just going to make life hell on you.
And then what they didn't have last time was I mean,
I know they traded Blake pretty quickly, but like they
have two stars around here this so, like, while I
don't think their path to contention is very easy at
all compared to the rest of the West or as
easy some of the rest rest of the Western Conference teams,

(14:09):
if you're somehow able to get into a playoff series
with Kawhi and James Harden healthy and the rest of
the guys healthy, I don't know, you can just easily
you know, assume, you know, rule them out again, assuming
Kawhi is healthy and able to play no restrictions, the
same with James Harden. Like that's gonna be a tough
out for any team. And the one thing is, like

(14:31):
I think the Dallas Mavericks proved did well while they
had a great playoff run. So much of the playoffs
are just about matchups. So much of it, Like Minnesota
Timberwolves were literally built to take down the Denver Nuggets,
and they did that, but they faced a bad matchup
after that with with with Luca Dontter Kyrie Irving, who
were two of the greatest, you know, mismatch hunters, the

(14:52):
greatest scorers, playmakers, so like especially Lucas. So like, it's
all it all comes down to matchups, you know. I
think it's the Clippers got the Suns. They'd be pretty
ecstatic with that in a playoff series, considering how well
they've matched up with them. They get the Timberwolves probably
not so much because their size and length has caused
them troubles. So it's all matchup, bas But if you're
able to get Kawhian and James and those guys healthy

(15:14):
in the postseason, there'll be a tough out. I don't
think you can immediately rule them out. It's gonna be
it's gonna be dogfights.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, they could put a lot of fear into teams,
even at the very top of the Western Conference. If
you had those two healthy in a playoff series, even
if they ended up being the sixth seed. Kind of
speaking to that, DP thirty says, I've seen people projecting
the Clippers to being a playing team or missing the
playoffs entirely. What's your ceiling for them? I think the

(15:41):
sixth seed is about their ceiling. Maybe you could talk
me into the five spot in the West. Till Mara,
what do you think?

Speaker 2 (15:52):
I think their ceiling really is a I mean, they
were they were what were they last year? Sixth seed?
Five seedy?

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Uh? That four seedifty one wins, four seed?

Speaker 2 (16:05):
I think I think I could if they somehow stay healthy,
they could easily be a six of five to six
seven seed. Like, I think playing is the easiest answer,
because you have to give yourself a twenty to twenty
five game buper that Kawhi is very likely going to miss.
They have whatose accounts? Sixteen back to backs? Fifteen back

(16:27):
to back, So if you're already just ruling him out
of one of those.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Games, that's sixty six games.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah, and so you're already down to sixty six and
then you have to consider some of the you know,
I think they have some some five and sevens throughout
the year, so you know, do you want to play
them in both halves of those there's probably a game
in the middle. Wee can give them three days rest.
So it's all sorts of different things. So anywhere from
five to seven, maybe even eight makes sense, assuming Kawhi
and James can give you sixty sixty four sixty two

(16:58):
games something like that. But yeah, it really just depends
on those two, if especially Kawhi, because I think James
likes to play. He'll play through injuries. Not that Kawhi
doesn't like to play, but it's just he's got things
that you can't really play with, you know, like James
will struggle shooting played through a shoulder injury, but struggle
shooting if you've got a knee inflammation, you can't play

(17:19):
on that as we've saw. As we've seen, so anywhere
from from five to seven or eight makes sense.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
I think John a is the best wants to know.
Could Mobamba with a full training camp with James Harden
have a similar effect as James Harden had with Zoo Toomare.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
I mean, I think Mobamba at this point is probably
more of a He's a decent rim protector as far
as the blocks block shots go, I think he's probably
good as a kind of four spacing five. I think
he shot I want to say, like thirty eight percent
from three last year. With the six years it was
low volume, but again that's something that another element that

(17:59):
Delippers didn't in a fourth pasion five. I know Daniels
did some of that, but I don't think he shot
as well as Mobile last year.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
So mostly career thirty three point shooter, you know that's
not mobile, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, I think most of it though, just it comes
down to volume, Like if you're taking to a game,
it's not not that much really he's taking. He's taking
won a game last year, So like thirty nine percent,
that's great, but the volume is not there, so it's
hard to really take too much out of that.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Well, if you take this totally's taken in his career
though overall we're probably talking about how many shots here
is I try.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
To look it up.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
He's attempted seven hundred and sixty four threes in his career,
so you know, I I think he's about a league
average three point shooter at a big man position. That's
not terrible, No.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
It's it's not It does definitely doesn't give them another element,
but specifically to this kind of James Harden effect where
James makes big. James makes these big men look like,
you know, not look like, but they make they elevate
their game because they're able to get easier looks and
he commands a lot of attention and he can find
them in tough spots. I just don't know if Bomba
is that kind of roller to the basket, you know where.

(19:11):
I think Zoo definitely has the strength and can make
the impact down there, So I'm curious maybe he can.
Maybe they do want to use Mobim but more as
an interior presence and kind of space amount of times.
But I don't know. I really haven't seen a lot
of a lot of James with another big man on
this team. Like I think we saw Mason Daniel and
then that, you know, it's tough to really gaze. They

(19:31):
were both had spot minutes. It wasn't neither of their
minutes really great either way, So I am curious to see.
But I think it's possible that he could have a
positive effect like that in that role alongside James Harden.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
I did call Mobamba my surprise player of the year.
We did that on Clips and Dip yesterday, just because
so many people are low on him, and I'm a
little bit higher than most only because he's twenty six.
He does have some potential from beyond the arc. Maybe
there's more to his game then we've seen so far
in his career, and he was a very high draft pick.
Jonathan Ing says, given that James Harden as a year older, now,

(20:08):
how do you think his offensive juice will be this year?
Do you expect a natural drop off till Marek.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
No. I think I think you're expecting an increase in
his production. I would say I think James really had
to navigate getting two guys, two very important offensive figures
the ball while trying to find his own offensive rhythm

(20:38):
and trying to find his O game. And maybe that
sounds like it's easier said than done, it's not. I
think when you have guys like Kawhi and Paul who
are elite, we've seen isolation guys elite just scores in general,
playmakers like the ball is not gonna be James hands.
So with one of those guys gone, I think that
really should, you know, significantly open ends up a spot

(21:00):
here for for James to really take over as the
you know, the number two maybe number three, but I
think number two score playmaker on this team. I think
it's it's just it's a role that he's He's had before.
I think he had it with with k d and
in in Brooklyn when when Kyrie was dealing with with

(21:21):
his the vaccination stuff. He added in Philly with with
Joel Embiid before Tyree's really rose up and and and
became a star of his own. So it's not unfamiliar
role to him. I just think he needs to uh
step into it and should be fine. I mean, I honestly,
I'm expecting almost an All Star potential type season from James.

(21:41):
I know he's a year older, but just the opportunity
is there. They don't have the scores that you know,
could just go out there and get you a bucket
outside of James, norm And and Kawhi really maybe Zoo
as well in the post this year, but they're gonna
need James scoring, playmaking, all that stuff. So I'm expecting
an All Star type season from James, to be honest with.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
You, Yeah, and with Paul George there and somebody mouths
to feed James Harden was only taking eleven shots in
his thirty four minutes per game last season with the Clippers.
I was talking about this with Don McClain yesterday. He
thinks he could get his shot attempts up to seventeen
to twenty per game and get somewhere closer to maybe
twenty five per game, not the thirty five we used

(22:23):
to see from James Harden, but somewhere in between where
he was, you know, the last couple of years and
where he was in his prime with the Houston Rockets.
Where would you go when it comes to shot attempts
per game for James Harden this season? What's your best
guest there?

Speaker 2 (22:38):
I wouldn't go as far as twenty. I mean, he
averaged twenty three times in his career, and those were
literally the greatest offensive seasons that he's ever had. The
MVP year of the year he everaged thirty six. After that,
they ever thirty four. The year after that that was
the COVID year. So I don't see it getting up
to twenty. He did average eleven last year when he

(23:01):
got to the Clippers. That's gonna go up. That's going
to be probably closer to seventeen eighteen, I would say,
and it won't reflect in the field goal times, but
the free throw attemps will also go up. I mean,
he averaged the lowest free throw attempts per game that
he average since his second year in the league in
twenty ten twenty eleven, and that was a sixth Man
of the Year candidate. So he started five games out

(23:23):
of the eighty two. So he's going to get to
the line a lot more. He's going to take a
lot more shots. I wanna predict probably seventeen to eighteen
shots a game, and let's say about six free throws
the night, six and a half free throws the night.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
I would say, Okay, I like that. Guys, keep the
questions coming. We got to marrazari on from clutch points.
He's doing a fantastic job here on a Clippers Talk
Live edition. We did get a couple of similar questions,
so we could just group them together. JM I thirteen
twenty four says do you feel a trade will happen soon?
With Bones and PJ Tucker? And someone asked Optimus Prime

(24:03):
one two, one three, who's the power forward they should
get for PJ. Tucker, Which is like dude, who do
you think they're going to get for PJ Tucker At
this point, he's thirty eight now, zon.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Zion william Yeah Williams.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Who are these power forwards teams are just trying to
get rid of? Because I'm pretty sure at this point
to Mark correct me if I'm wrong, but if the
Clippers had a trade available for PJ Tucker where they
got something decent back, it would have been made by now.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, yeah, pretty much. I got nothing else for you
besides that on that topic, I think you know at
this point, I don't. I know, it's Bones's birthday around
this time. I think he's spending his time in like Dubai,
so he's not at the little mini camp they're having
Arizona when I understand, I don't believe Pj's there, but
I might be wrong about that. We don't quote me,
but I expect them to be on the team when

(24:56):
training camp starts in two and a half three weeks. Here,
I know the Clippers search for a different options than
they've They've said, if we don't feel as an opportunity
for those guys to play, we will make a deal.
But you know, at least with PJ. I think they're
For one, it's going to be awkward because they didn't
want to trade in but to his back, and he's

(25:17):
going to be playing the minutes that he's playing much
and producing much better. It's just a funny thing. Is
neither of those who wanted to be traded from their
respective positions and uh that Buttune's back and PJ is
still in the position that he's in.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
So is the chance because obviously he was very unhappy
with his role last season. I don't know what he expected.
He got as many opportunities, I think more than probably
should have gotten, starting a Game six and a musclar
situation PJ Tucker. But is there any chance that if
he's having a bad attitude, they're just not going to

(25:50):
bring him to camp at all, like they when they
send him home round the All Star Break?

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, I mean it's possible, but but I also think
it's possible that they don't bring him at all. But
I also think that you know, at the stage, they're
clearly trying not to. Uh you know, he's not gonna
take a buy out and they're not just going to
I mean, maybe they'll outright wave him, but they're not
gonna wave and stretch him to where his his deal
kind of stays on their on their catch for what

(26:16):
is the three years, I believe it's double the years
plus one, so three years. There's no point in doing that.
If you're gonna if you can't find a trade for him,
you might as well to write it out or just
wave him out right. Take the cap it this year
and then move on.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
So Optimus Prime one, two, one three wants to follow up.
Do you think Bruce Brown will be a perfect fit.
I guess yeah. I'm sure they're just gonna be able
to get him for PJ. Tucker from Toronto. I'm sure
they're wanting to do that.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
They're gonna have to at touch something to get him there.
I mean, Bruce is actually would be a pretty solid
fit Bruce.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
And sure for a lot of teams, someone.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Like Jordy and Pinny Smith. Well, I think also like
teams asking prices are really high right now, Like I'm
pretty sure the Nets were asking for two first round
picks the other last year for Dory and Jinny Smith.
And Tim McMahon was on the podcast of the Day and
he was like, they're not getting that for the fs
and so I think as reality maybe sets in and
kind of you know, the market starts to open up

(27:14):
and we see which team needs what and who has
what available, maybe there's a chance that a team might
help them. They find the third team to help. Like
I don't know if you saw the news the other day,
but like DeMar de Rosen, for example, he chose he
went and signing trade from Chicago to Sacramento. But sam
Amick reported that the Spurs were willing to bring him

(27:34):
back and Slash or they were willing to help facilitate
the trade to get him to where he wanted to.
That's how much they appreciated his time there. So they
ended up taking Harrison Barnes back in that three team
deal they were they ended up being involved in that.
So if there's a team that wants to help the Clippers,
and you know, maybe they can get an asset or
two out of it. I mean, look, we're not dealing
with Polinka here, so it's a little different situation at him.

(27:56):
But no, no, no one is lining up to help
any team out. It's got to be cheually beneficial win win,
So especially in this new CBA when guys teams don't
really want to take on bad contracts.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
If Bruce Brown makes twenty three million, it is expiring
after this season. What's PJ Tucker at eleven million or
something here? So you'd have to offer something else just
to make the math work.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
I'm assuming this is a normal Terrence type of thing,
and I'm I'm not doing that.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah for a guy.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
If you're getting Bruce, if you're getting Bruce to get
him with a really good friend, Terrence may not going
to treat Terence for him. I mean, I'd be shocked
if that happened. Yeah, I don't know about that.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Urt h wants to ask and says he wants Julius
Randall at Power Forward. Is that possible? No, I'm not
a big possible, not half of them for PJ Tucker.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
That that's why it's possible though, because I don't know
if the Knicks are either.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
I mean, he might be their missing piece, honestly, He's
I think they lack some physicality and they do need
a big I still think they need. But if they
were to trade Julius Randall, they'd be down to Mitchell
Robinson and Jericho Simms. That's not enough. You do need something.
If you're gonna trade Randall, You're gonna get a big
back of some sort. So I don't think they need

(29:13):
to trade Rando necessarily. I think it might be he
may not be their number one or number two option
on this team, but that's okay. If your goal is
to win a championship, none of that should matter. You
should just go out there do what your team needs
you to do. Especially when you saw all they did
last year. They probably would have made the conference finals,
so they not just completely broken down Brunton's broken hands

(29:38):
and everything. So yeah, I think he might just be
the piece they need. He's another one though that just
needs to stay healthy. Once they get to the postseason,
they'll be okay. I don't see him as a fit
for the Clippers, honestly, but I know some people are
enamored with the idea of potentially getting Julius Randall. It
could be interesting if you're strictly just saying, oh, we
need a four, let's go with Julius Randell, Like, I

(29:59):
don't think that's the right thing to do, because if
you trade for Julius Randall, you're not winning a championship
this year. They in my opinion, you're not No, Yeah,
it doesn't move, not enough anyways, So it depends when
you give up, but not enough. So and I don't
know what Randall's contract is, but I know that they're
trying to remain, you know, keep the twenty twenty six offseason,

(30:25):
you know, open, and he is signed. He's a player
option for that year, so for twenty five, so he
has two years left to the deal, including a player option.
So yeah, it's not a bad it's not a bad deal.
It's not a bad deal really, but it's just it
just depends what you give up. And you know, it's
a version of going all in. And I don't know,

(30:45):
it's it depends on a bunch of different things.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
For the right price. I would hear something out regarding
Julius Randall if it included PJ. Tucker and uh, not
a lot else to bring him in. I wouldn't hate
it necessarily, but I do think it could be an
awkward fit still, just because his style of play out there.
He can be a black hole on offense. He can

(31:08):
be someone who while he has a big body, he's
often playing on the perimeter and taking low percentage shots.
He's been really bad a couple of times in the
playoffs for the Knicks, so I don't I don't know
if that's necessarily a huge upgrade. There might be a
team that fits him better. I don't know if that
team is the Clippers, but.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
He is probably like the ultimate in the right situation guy,
as far as like really good players, like in the
right situation, I think he could be very useful for
you as a you know, rebounder. Go start the transition opportunity,
you know, if that's the type of game you want.
I'm not saying that's what the Clippers are going to do,
but it all depends, you know, so we'll see.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
I find this funny. We have Jordan here telling Oftimus
Prime to stop with these casual questions, and Jordan comes
up with one where he's asking, what do you guys
think of kpj im pressing and taking that starting two spot?
Like that's not a casual question? Well, guy, just did you?

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Were you the one who started that Reddit thread? I
need to know someone on Reddit said KPg should be
the starting shooting ger and I was like, huh.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
That might have been Jordan here.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
He also said or he could be the first man
off the bench. I think he has crazy talent and
All Star potential Sawna Rico Hines and he's legit. We
all know he's talented. Guys. He also might miss the
beginning of the season should he get suspended. Then you're
talking about someone who hasn't played basketball for an extended
period of time trying to break through into the rotation

(32:40):
while the Clippers have already started. That is not easy
to do. There is so much that has to happen
for I think KPJ to work out and get any minutes,
let alone the starting two spot minutes which would never happen.
Telmayer ticket.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
No were I believe we're gonna see Terry start in
the same position. I think Ty likes him as the
kind of two three there. I think they've starting line
up pretty much set. I don't even know if there's
any I don't even know why this is being brought up,
because to me, it's James Terrence. You're just plugging Derek
Jones Junior into the spot that Paul left, and you

(33:17):
start Kawaiian Zoo. Like I, I don't see much. There's
nothing deliberate about. For me, it's pretty obvious.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
So Powell would start before KPJ was even brought up,
like that's the guy who might start. I yeah, I
think that's I don't pretty wants at.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
You said he these talented, he's very good. I just
think he also hasn't played professional basketball and over a
year if you include last offseasons, so it's probably close
to what fifteen sixteen months, seventeen months actually you include
they didn't make the playoffs so well before that, So
like he didn't played professional basketball in the NBA court
in a very very long time. Very talented, has the
opportunity to be a good kind of scoring guard, good

(34:01):
combo guard. I don't think he's really a traditional point
guard type of guy who can run your offense, but
I think he's capable of it in spurts or in
you know, if you need to spell James for a
couple of minutes or like that. But again, from my understanding,
like TI considers Chris done like a traditional point guard
who can also defend, so your play makers and you know,
kind of like the floor organizer. James and Chris from

(34:23):
that aspect at this point guard position. So you're starting Chris,
it startscuse me, you're starting James. You're bringing Chris as
a backup for him, you know you're you're you're bringing
in uh Norm off the bench as well. So are
you gonna play three guards? Is that the idea here?
You know? So there's a lot of a lot of
things to really discussed with with with KP. David. I
think it's he has a lot of potential. You are right,

(34:44):
he was balling in Greece. He was doing a lot
over there. I think they really gave him the ball
and just told him to go play, make go score
for so and he did a good job of that.
But again, he hasn't played in the NB court.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
You would start him for shooting purposes. I have stand
the point of you could say, in the starting lineup
and throughout the Clippers' roster, they don't have a ton
of shot creators and that could be a problem this season.
The answer, though, my man is not starting Kevin Porter
Junior at the two spots. So your point of attack
defenders are him and James Harden. You want to get

(35:20):
and cooked one oh one going quickly. That's what would happen,
and there goes that defensive identity we believe they're trying
to build this season.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
I mean, when Keith back to you hating, I don't
know if Jordan's talking about you or me. I saw
kp did at the Rico Hindroz. I talked to him
for a few minutes. Seems like a really cool guy
who I think is going to really take on the opportunity.
I think he's looking forward to being in LA again
where he went to college, so the opportunity is definitely there.
I just again and they sided to do a two
year deal. It wasn't like a one year kind of

(35:51):
trial here, so they clearly do have plans for him.
I just think we should pump the brakes on it
right away. I don't know if that's called hating, but.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Let me explain, Jordan. There's a difference between hating and
saying a guy should be the starting two guard who
hasn't played basketball in seventeen months and really hasn't proven
anything when it comes to winning basketball in this league
so far. I would love if at some point he
ascended to get a shot at being a six man

(36:20):
type role for the Clippers and being instant offense off
the bench. But again, he could get suspended to start
the season. That is a very high likelihood. So therefore,
he's trying to crack the rotation after the Clippers have
already got things going underway, after guys have already established roles.
There is a far greater chance that KPJ doesn't have

(36:42):
anything close to a consistent role this season that he
ends up the starting two guard for the Clippers.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
That is just.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Some people, and this is the guy that we're talking about.
People want to say in casual questions, Well, if he's
going to call out someone for asking a casual question. Now,
I always said KPg should be the starry two guard.
I think it's fair to take give him a little
bit of heat for that. All right, let's let's.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Move cooking people. You are cooking folks. We're get hours.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
I'm not here to suffer fools today. Here are Clippers
top guys. I just had to work with Fred Rogan
the last two hours. Jonathan Ang wants to know, and
he already asked a question earlier about James Harden. Jonathan Ang, Yes,
maybe he slows down a little bit, there's less burst.
But I would also make the argument that he's getting
further and further away from that hamstring injury, and maybe

(37:31):
he'll actually show a little bit more bursts this season.
We'll see he's been laying all summer long. Will there
be a guard consolidation trade at some point till mare
which ties in a little bit with the subject matter
at hand.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Will there be a guard consolidation? I think you'll see
it at some point. I just think, I mean, you
definitely see something at some point. I just think they
you need to play this out and see what you
have with with everyone, Like I don't think they outside
of you know, assuming Kawhi is healthy, Like I think

(38:11):
James James will be thresh into a very different role
this year, so you have to see, like you know
what he's capable of, but you have to see how
he fits alongside guys like you know, Dereck Jones and defender.
I think, how does how does he and Chris Dunn
kind of look together as the as the point guards.
So like, I think there's there's probably gonna be deal
made at some point to consolidate those those some of
those positions that are packed. But if you're just like

(38:35):
I wouldn't just go in waiting for it to happen,
Like you really got to see what everyone brings together.
You know I think ties very big on his sample sizes.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
We know.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
He likes those fifteen twenty games sample sizes to see
which units play well together, YadA YadA. So like there's
a lot that goes into it. It's not just gonna
be like a simple Okay, we know that Bones is
probably not gonna play like I think Bones will have
an opportunity to come be for a spot in training camp.
I think they've signed done obviously with the idea of
him being in the backup, but there's still gonna be
a competition. These are guys who are fighting for rosterspots,

(39:08):
if not here, then elsewhere. So it's not like an
immediate Okay, Bones is out, We're just gonna play Chris
and we don't feel worry about them. We'll just trade him, Like,
I think there's a lot of a lot of stake
for everyone here to really come in and start camp
off on the right foot.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
So, Maaron, when's the last time you had an aneurysm,
because it may be happening. After Jordan asked this question too,
Kai Jones will break out. Nothing is stopping him from
becoming another Jonathan Isaac. He is a freak athlete and
has a motor. Guys, the amount of players that come
into the NBA that are freak athletes that end up
not squashing a grape in the league is pretty high.

(39:49):
It is very difficult to stay as one of the
four hundred and fifty best players in the world. I
am rooting hard for Kai Jones. I do think he
has potential. He also is birthday two and two so
far in the NBA. And let's just pump the brakes
a little bit to Mara.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
I mean, I get why things are excited about the potential,
but he's still on a two way. You know, there's
there's a lot that needs to happen for him to
get there. But I again, another guy that I saw
that at the runs this summer and that's got a
chance to speak with him, and he's he looked really bouncing,
he looked really good, making a lot of good defensive plays,

(40:30):
finishing on the basket, moving well. So the potential is
certainly there, but he's just another guy who, like KPJ,
just hasn't played basketball forever for one reason or another.
So again, not it's not I don't think it's it's
hate or anything like that, but just it's more of
a pumped the breaks until we see what this team has.
What they have, Like, these guys are gonna be in
development of you know, in the development kind of squad

(40:53):
for a minute. Here. I don't know if they're playing
in the G League. I think I will, but like
they're gonna need to get back into G League first
and then and then you move up from there if
you like what you see. So said a hate thing.
It's just there's a lot that's left to see before
we could just say, all right, we're got to play
in the big leagues.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
It's a being realistic thing. We've watched these players, we
know who they are, and you can't just say a
guy can easily just turn it into Jonathan Isaac. That's
not an easy thing to do.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Here's a more honest question, realistic one. Where would you
expect Terrence Man to improve in his game and take
a leap given his contract situation? Timar, This comes from Jonathany.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Everywhere. I don't think he's mastered any part of his game. So,
like there's and how old does.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
He he's twenty eight?

Speaker 2 (41:44):
I think seven oh twenty eight in a month, yeah,
when the season starts. So this is really his prime here,
Like there's still stuff that he has to work on.
I mean, I know that he's he's really been trying
to perfect that the mid range jumper, the little step
fact that he likes in the painted area, about the ten, twelve, thirteenth,
fourteen footer. I think the three point shot. He's definitely

(42:07):
gonna need to be a more willing shooter this time
around this year than the years prior. And and I
know he understands that. He knows that so And I
don't even know if it's a contract situation thing, Like
I think he wants to stay here. He signed multiple
contracts to stay here. The Clippers want want him here.
It's just a matter of coming to a number that
makes sense as far as the CVA, as far as

(42:28):
what's fair to him, as far as competitive offers from
around the league that he may have. So you know,
I think that's really what it comes down to. Is
it's not like the contract situation is weighing over him.
I don't think because of and he has to improve
in one area or another, and it's a kind of pressure,
Like I think he needs to improve period, because that's
what he needs to do at this age, they need
him to do more. He's showed some stellar defense on

(42:51):
Luca in the playoffs, probably defended them the best outset
of maybe Jalen Brown. But again there's still room to
grow in that area. There's a lot of him to
go for him. So I think that the the what's
the Jordan line? The ceiling is the roof with with
with Terrence, and there's no there's no ceiling or cap
on it. He needs to improve everywhere. And it's not
like the contract situation is wang on him at all.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Do you think, because at one point I couldn't fathom.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Wouldn't be surprised if the deal is done before the
season starts a new deal with him. So again, it's
not like I'm not reporting anything here, but their negotiations
happening all the time. You know, Lawrence told us in
Vegas that Zoo and Terrence they were having conversations with
their representation and they wanted to keep them both. So
it's not like, you know, it's not gonna happen, or
it is for sure gonna happen like it's and it's
not something that's wing over them. I wouldn't be surprised

(43:39):
if it happened by by training camp or by the
season opener, but you know, you never know. It's not
like something that's to wing over him.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Though, Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised either. It's Terrence Man.
He has been with the Clippers and is a part
of their DNA and their culture, and he was brought
in for that reason. Someone with a little more seasoning,
four years of flow or to state, says and does
all the right things for this organization, is very available

(44:05):
and is a great ambassador for the Clippers. And there
was a time I would have thought there's no chance
he could ever leave the team. But I do think
there's a little bit of a door open only because
of this toe marriage. Tell me what you think when
they brought in Derreck Jones Jr. I'm not saying you
don't want wings or that's a bad position to be
duplicatus at or redundant at. It's not. But it does

(44:28):
give you a little bit more insurance if they couldn't
figure things out with Terrence Man, to have someone like that,
if they couldn't come to a contract agreement, I'm hoping
they do. I think they will, but there was a
time where I would have said there's no way he
ever leaves, after they didn't trade him for Fred van Vliet,
after they didn't include him for James Harden. Now I

(44:48):
think I'm not saying he's expendable by any means, but
there's a little bit more of a possibility.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Maybe I think. I don't like. I don't like the
whole I think I think people, and it's not any thing.
I think in general, people talk about players as if
they're just assets that can be moved, and you know,

(45:15):
you replace one with another, and in some form that
is a reality. But I think there's a huge human
element that a lot of fans do not take into
consideration with, with trazy and stuff like that. So like, sure,
I think you wanted Darrick Jones one because he was
available in your price range too. He's super talented. Still,

(45:36):
I want to say, like twenty eight years old, I'm.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Not mistaken, twenty seven, twenty.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Seventh, He's Terrence is able turn twenty in February. So yeah,
there's there's a lot of potential there. I don't know
if I'd go as far as stay a replacement, but.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
I'm not saying replacement. I don't think they want to
replace him. I'm saying possible insurance. You look at the
deals you just got, I think that, you know, I
think it's a fair deal, and this is a guy
who earned it, and he was playing on minimums for
a while. But his skill set is similar in some
ways to Terrence with being able to guard point of
attack multiple positions. His three point shooting definitely needs to

(46:13):
improve some of what we saw in the playoffs last
year from Derreck Jones Junior needs to continue.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
That's the biggest thing. Yeah, that's the biggest thing for
me is that Terrence is I think he's shot forty
percent from close to forty ten from three last couple
of years. He's become a knockdown show.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Well, well, he's gotten off to slow starts the last
two years. He ended up shooting thirty five percent overall
last season, but he was at forty four percent from
from from the time the calendar turned into twenty twenty four.
He shot forty four percent from that point on and
shot forty five percent in the series against Dallas, So
he turned things around. He was so abysmal to start

(46:46):
the year, as you know, he's had some slow start
shooting wise.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
To he also came off of an ankle injury in
training camp that I think really set him back. I think, Eve,
it's the first six, five or six games. I want
to say, so, yeah, thirty nine last year or two
years ago, thirty five last year, and then close if
he's had forty four after the calendar, after the twenty
twenty four itself.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Yeah, in twenty twenty four he shot forty four percent.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, he can still grow that. That number can still
get a lot better. They're gonna ask him to do
more of that, so I think he can get a
lot more. Maybe he is insurance, but you know, maybe
Derek Jones is a form of insurance. But I envisioned
them playing together. So from that perspective, like I just
I don't know if it's a possibility, but I think
they really just want to put as many good, you know,

(47:36):
three and D type guys around Kawhi and James so
they don't have to do the heavy lifting defensively and offensively,
they can mostly just you know, try to create for
others offensively. Defensively, we can throw Derek Jones and Karence
Man and Nick the Tuob and Chris Dunn on some
of those guys and zoo even on the big guys
and know that you're going to be okay. I think
last year they not only didn't have those pieces, they

(47:58):
were also old as hell, were an old team, and
so they got younger and then the Clippers are going
to rely on those younger guys for the energy. Last year,
I think it was hard to come by because you
had a lot of the older guys. This year, I mean,
Terrence has got to come and bring it, derek'st to
come in and bring it, Chris as well defensively got
to come in and bring it. The team is going

(48:19):
to rely on that on those guys to to kind
of help jump start them because of some of the
older guys that are on the team. So it's I
think they really try to build out this team, not
with the intension of maybe you know, having insurance or
replacing anyone, but they wanted to build a good you know,
good pieces and build a good team around Kawhi and James.

(48:40):
And again, I think if they get to April healthy somehow,
if it's possible, like you can't rule them out easily,
you really can't.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Yeah, And I do want to be clear, I think
something will hopefully get done with Terrence Man. I want
him here.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
There was.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
It's that simple, black and white on one side or
the other. No nuance, no contexts, no gray area. I'll
just say he did have a comment last season talking
about tabling discussions, and it was one of the few
times I've ever seen Terrence Man look a little bit
slightly irritated. So if things were so far apart that

(49:18):
they couldn't get a deal to come together, I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Just just to get some content. I did talk to
him about that. I don't think it came from the
sense of like they were upset that a number wasn't here,
number there. It just didn't make sense for him to
have hear on one. Then last year anyway, it's like
it was a big opportunity for Terrence to finally be
kind of the starting two, slash three, whatever you want
to call him. Big opportunity for him to finally be

(49:43):
a starter last year, and once they got James, they
had to go, Okay, well, they first he got injured,
so he couldn't start the season healthy, couldn't start period.
Then they got James and they wanted to start Russell
James because you know, so like it took him a
while to finally become a starter. So like it wasn't
from a spot of like, oh, the number is not
what we wanted to be. It was like, well, I
have an opportunity to be a starter. Let me show

(50:04):
what I can do as a starter, and then we
can come back to the table and negotiate something once
we've seen what I can do as a starter. Like
if you get an opportunity to be a starter and
you can't negotiate a contract before that, and then what
happens when you outplay it? You know what eppens when
you outperform it?

Speaker 1 (50:18):
And he could be betting on himself for this upcoming
season if they don't sign anything. It could be Terrence
Man saying, Hey, I'm going to ball out. I'm going
to be the starter again. I'm not going to start
cold from three or be hesitant from the outside. I
got confidence after that playoff series and it could work
out and he could cash in on that completely. Access
Entertainment Productions wants to know, is this a bot? Is

(50:40):
the possibility of getting Zach Levine? Is that a possibility?
His game and he's a great three point shooter. D
does that mean defense because you're way off there and
rebounder off there too. Is zachly Vine a possibility, Tom.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
No, exactly mean is not a possibility. Zach Levine has
a relatively unfavorable contract. I guess you could call it politely.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Because it takes him into the summer of twenty twenty
six and when then limit them.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
I mean, yes, But aside from that, I just I'm
just not comfortable me personally. But like, I don't think
they're comfortable paying I got forty three million dollars a
year with another injury prone guy, you know what I mean? So, like,
I just don't think they want to go down that avenue.
I don't think he's gonna opt out of forty nine
million in twenty six twenty seven. Now, maybe he has

(51:31):
some some good years here where he's finally healthy and
able to show what he can do. And I hope
he does, because he's very talented, just had some bad luck.
I just don't know if that's that's a contract he's
gonna that, that's an option that he's going to decline
when the time comes. With forty nine million.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
The only way he would is if he stayed healthy
and bawled out, and then therefore he has one more
big contract.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Look, he has two years here before that, so it's
very possible that he has one good year here proves
that he can say healthy, does it again next year,
and if he does it again next year, he's gonna
have offers, offers. Maybe the Clippers will legal to be
the ones who offer in that maxim will be declined.
It not max deal, but so something something big. You
never know, but I know their interest in him was

(52:15):
not It didn't come from their side. I just didn't.
It never made sense for them to go in on
Levine when they went so far to building a team
roster around you know, a roster around Kawhi and James
with a bunch of complimentary pieces, why would they suddenly
throw that away and throwing Zach throw off their future
plans with the contract situation. You know, it's just it

(52:37):
was what a complicated things.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
In my opinion, the only rationale I could see is
if you're just hoping against all hope that he stays
healthy and therefore he replaces some of the productions scoring
wise that was lost from Paul George, and really he's
a bucket he could replace a lot of it when
he's healthy. A couple of years ago, this looks like
one of the better players in the league. He's been

(52:59):
on some really bad teams. There are question marks regarding
if he's a winning player. He hasn't looked good in
limited playoff games. His defense has never been great. He's
showed some potential, but he's never totally bought in on
that end. You'd be betting on a lot of things
to go right. Kawhi is still staying healthy, and all
of a sudden, your window for contending opens up a

(53:22):
little bit if zach Lavine was fine. But that's it's
a lot to ask, it really is. What about brandon Ingram?
As we get this question till mayor from will I
need brandon Ingram? Do you think that's an option a
guy who is set to get paid after this year?

Speaker 2 (53:40):
Brandon look at this content situation. He's earning thirty six
million this year, and I'm guessing he's going to look
for significantly more in the coming seasons after this. Me personally,
not probably someone I'm comfortable giving a max contract to,
or even a near max. I think he's kind of

(54:02):
reached his potential. We kind of have seen who he is.
I mean, maybe can develop more as a playmaker, but
I think he's he's kind of just who he is
at this point, and that's not a bad player. I
just don't think it's a player that Clippers could use
to win a championship. And so if it's strictly winning
a championship, if it's strictly winning a championship, I I

(54:23):
just don't see what that really gets you with him.
I think you have. I think they really do have
the rise on the bigger Prize in a couple of
years with with some of the other big names like
Shay or Luca maybe, and you never know who gets
a little disgruntled and end of requesting a trade. You
never know. So you know, we saw that, and I

(54:44):
don't think anyone knew Paul George is available after he
just signed a new deal with the okaycy Thunder, So
you really never know. So you have to kind of
keep your flexibility while remaining competitive at the same time,
which is way easier than done. But if you do
go after brandon Ingram, you're committing yourself to him him
for a good chunk of time and removing yourself from
other people for the most part, so it's not something

(55:06):
I think they're super interested in it.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Yeah, I'm intrigued by brandon Ingram to an extent because
he's still twenty seven. He has a ton of game.
He's been reluctant to shoot threes, which has I think
soured New Orleans when it comes to him, and they've
been looking to move him, but everybody knows you're gonna
have to pay everywhere else. He's just a rental after
this season, and he would significantly change the dynamic of

(55:30):
the Clippers offense because he can be a ball stopper
often he gets into his bag. He's a very good player.
He's been an All Star, but he has limitations out there.
Could he still get better because he's so young, Yeah,
but I'm with you. That limits you from so many
other possibilities down the line for a guy that still
has a lot of question marks at this point, Let's

(55:53):
see who else do we got here? This is coming
from Clips or Die. Do Clippers currently have sixteen contracts?
Do they have to cut someone before the season starts
to get down to fifteen? This is a good question
for till A Mayoric because I have sure as hell
I don't know it.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Uh, give me two seconds up, but I can still
they have fifteen Kawhi, James, Norm Zoo, PJ Terrence, Derek, Chris,
Nico Bones, Amir Kobe, Kevin Porter, Junior, Obama, Mattress. It's fifteen,
so they have fifteen contract signed. They do have the

(56:33):
two way guys I believe are Trenton Flowers, Jordan Miller,
and I want to say Kai Jones. I believe. I
think he got an exhibit. Did you get a training camp?

Speaker 1 (56:43):
I don't remember where he got. It's a train I
think it's a training camp invite. So that last two
weeks grabs.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
So last two ways still for graps. That means Kai,
I believe it's Ray j Dennis, Elijah, Elijah Harkless. And
there's one other guy that I'm forgetting. I remember he
was they signed him last month. But no, they have
fifteen roster spots taken. They don't have sixteen. They just
have one two way spot of them because as of

(57:08):
right now it's just Trenton Flowers and Jordan Miller. So no,
they don't have sixteen.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Here's another question from Jordan. We don't exclude anyone what
teams in the West. Can you see doing stuff at
the trade deadline. Maybe they had a disappointing season or
outdid expectations. Maybe like the Spurs, they added another piece
because they see their ceiling is higher and Wemby's going
for the MVP this season and they really want to compete.
I guess that's a possibility. I look at them as

(57:37):
like a play in type of team right now after
they brought in CP three, and you mentioned Harrison Barnes,
and just if you look at Wemby's production in the
advanced numbers, if they just play him regular minutes this year,
that really changes everything. Because they babied him so much
as rookie season.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
I think they needed to on some level just because.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
It's oh no, I was fine with them. I'm just saying, like,
if he gets thirty four minutes a game, all of
a sudden, like dramatically increases their win percentage.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
So it's that it's that he will play if he
plays regular minutes, which Pop doesn't do normally. But if
he plays thirty four minutes, that's one thing. But too,
they finally have a competent point guard, and that's not
a shot anymoy. I just think they have younger guys
who haven't figured out how to be a floor general
at that position. Trey Jones tried. I think he did
a solid job. They got Davonte Graham was more of

(58:23):
a score. So now you finally get went Chris Paul
excuse me, who is probably the greatest floor general of
all time, maybe top three, you know, with with Isaiah
Thomas and those guys. So like, I think, I think
there's there's so much potential for that team. They probably
won't be a championship contender, but I will. I will

(58:45):
be there no matter what for every one of Wemby's.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Games, League pas legends.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
I will, yeah, I will be there for that. I
think other teams in the West.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
What do you look at with a team like Houston,
Because I saw some out there that if there was
a team that would be willing to make a move
for Kawhi Leonard, and I don't think the Clippers have
any intention of trading him, like it would have to
be such an overwhelming, spectacular godfather of trade package. Because
I talked about this yesterday with C and D. I

(59:17):
don't know if you agree with this, Timira, but I
think they look at Kawhi as more than just what
he does when he's available on the court, but he's
also symbolic of being the real first big name guy,
at least since Bill Walton to come to the Clippers,
the LA Clippers and make them a destination franchise. And
that alone is so meaningful for them to cross that

(59:40):
milestone that I think it would take a lot for
them to give up on Kawhi, even if there was
a couple of first round picks included in a trade
package for him, which I think is unlikely right now anyways,
because of his injury history. But how do you feel
about that?

Speaker 2 (59:55):
I mean, I think they they've had a great partnership
and collaborations They've gotten here. I think, you know, they've
you know, from the Max contract when he was injured,
to taking the kind of pagad that he did last year.
Everything just seems to be them trending in the same direction.
You know that the partnership is going well. So like

(01:00:17):
if the Clippers were if the Clippers decided that, you know,
they want to blow this up and they don't think
this is this is going to work, maybe they have
an offer that they can't refuse, then they probably approached
him and say, hey, look this is the way over
the table. Does that interest you? But I I really
think they they they signed Kawhi to have him kind

(01:00:39):
of ride it out here. Yeah, trades are definitely always open.
You never know when something like that will present itself.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
But he doesn't have a no trade clause. Right, There's
like two guys in the league and their Lebron and
Bradley Beal.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yeah, So like I think I think they signed him
to have him stay here, you know, hope fleet Filder retires.
It's definitely a different situations than Paul because I know,
you know, they wanted to keep him here, but from
a basketball perspective, there was nothing. You know, I think
when you combine everything, like Kawhi was willing to take

(01:01:15):
a take up that Paul wasn't, And so I think
if Paul's willingn't take that, they would have kept him
here for sure, one hundred percent. So Kawhi is kind
of just collaborated with them to make stuff happen take
less and he needs that he could have to make
things working to stay here. So like everything from that
perspective is like, Okay, they're their their relationship is good.

(01:01:35):
So if they ever want to trade him, I think
they'll have to cross that bridge together. I don't think
it's it's anything that that you know, they'll just do
out of nowhere and say, hey, we have a trade
for this guy. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
It's not a Blake Griffin situation. Yeah. So Kauhi to
me is a legacy player and just represents how far
this Clippers franchise has come in so many ways. I
think it would take a lot for that to change.
Other teams that could make a move I could see.
I think Zach Low brought this up the other day.

(01:02:07):
If things didn't go well with Milwaukee with Doc Rivers,
with Dame, if Chris Middleton couldn't stay healthy, he could
be on the trading block. They be getting pennies on
the dollar if it's under those circumstances where he couldn't
stay healthy, because I think his contract's also up after
this season, or maybe they see it's not working and
they trade Dame to one of the teams that were

(01:02:29):
interested in him, like Miami in the first place, that
we're trying to bring him in. If they really if
things really took a turn and they just realized they
had to get out of this era. And I don't
know what would happen with Gianni's at that point, because
obviously he wanted Dame. But I don't know. It's hard
to project, of course, with teams. What could happen is
the season goes along and who's gonna be the buyers

(01:02:49):
and who's going to be the sellers. But that is
one team I am going to keep an eye out
for tomar Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Yeah, I don't think. I think they resigned Giannis to
that deal after getting Dame, so I think they're in.
They're in this Dais partnership of the long haul. If
it means finding it a start to replace Middleton or whoever,
then that's probably what it'll end up being. Uh. But
I I think they're in this Giannis Dame partnership for
the you know, foreseeable future at least at least another

(01:03:18):
two years here. And and they also made a coaching
change of here to get Doc Couver, so if anything,
they will swap out Doc for someone else before they
move one of Damian. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
The Miami Heat with the comments pat Riley made about
Jimmy Butler, and I think he has a contract situation
coming up, and he talked about him, what shutting his
mouth something to that effect when he was talking during
the playoffs, and this was this was after they were
already out. Pat Riley's had some stern comments toward Jimmy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Oh but Jimmy, that's right, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
I kind of keeping an eye on that now because
that's a highly combustible situation. What do you have egos
like that? Well, you got the godfather and pat Riley
of basketball there with his slick back hair, and Adrian
Brodie playing him a winning time, which I loved, uh,
and a guy like Jimmy Butler who is not afraid
to speak his mind too. I just wonder if things

(01:04:11):
weren't going well and Tyler Herro doesn't progress like they
thought he was going to, and they're not looking like
a team that is in contention at all the Eastern Conference,
could they make some moves.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
I mean, I don't think they're gonna be a team
that's in contention, but like I still think that, you know,
they're I think they said they're going to write it
out with with Jimmy and he's not signing a extension,
but he's also not going to be traded. They're just
going to write it out and yeah, I think they
announced that. I'm not mistaken. Yeah, they're just going to
write it out and see, uh and see what happens
at the end of the year. Like either Jimmy pruves

(01:04:42):
that he's capable of still leading the team and the
max player at HOWLD is he thirty five now thirty
four or thirty five and two days. So that's that's
gonna be a terrible contract if they have to max him.
So I get why they're they're they're waiting on that. Yeah,
either he proves that he ca believe their team is
staying healthy, or he goes to I don't know, Brooklyn

(01:05:04):
or finds a way to Golden State. But I don't
think he's at getting traded. I think they want to
ride the season out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Because he's got an option for fifty two million the
next season after. Yeah, so that I know what they've said.
I was saying, if things take a turn for the worst,
plans can change it. It happens, We've seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Fifty two million, I don't even he probably has at
a dealer, yeah, because he's going to try.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
To get at least one hundred and twenty get one
more contract. I would think he could easily get another
contract where he's making not the annual of fifty million,
but he might get one hundred and fifty total.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
That's a lot of money for Jimmy Butler. I'm a
big Jim Butler fan, but that's a lot of money
for Jim Butler.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
He's one of the better players the last five.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Years when he's available.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
I mean the things he played, yeah, but his playoff
performance is that is what people look at. Go playoff
riser Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
He is good in the playoff, but he played. He
didn't play last plus season.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
He's got injury issues. I'm not saying that isn't a concern.
I just I'm willing to bet you he opts out
because he's going to get at least one hundred and
million on the open market over It could be three
or four years, but he's gonna get.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
It, Okay, I mean, I'm open to sing. I'm just man.
He ever twenty seven and twenty seven, it's back to
back twenty seven in the playoffs. Wow, it's incredible. I'm good,
good volume percentage. So when he's available, he's good. He's
got to be available.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
He just got him to the finals again as a
low seed the year before against Denver. No, they lost
in five, But just saying, just saying, is there anybody
else you could see? I mentioned Houston to start this
thing off? They have some decisions to make with young
guys and who works.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
They're they're weird because like, I don't know if they're
ready to start winning, but they acted as if they
are last year and getting like Fred Vanvleeton and Dylan
Brooks and those types of vets. Like I think you
do need good bets on some level. It's not like
it was crazy for them to go get those guys,
but you're you have a lot of young guys and
I just don't know what you're doing with them. Like

(01:07:20):
Reed Shepherd should be playing a lot of minutes. He's
really good men tooms just to be playing. He's he's,
you know, got a lot of potential there. They finally
started playing through Alphera and Shangoon last year, which took
them probably another year or two then it should have.
And I'm sure I'm forgetting a couple of cam Witmore

(01:07:42):
is there. Yeah, they have a couple of young guys
that really should be playing minutes. So I really don't
know what they're planning. It's it's a good question. If
they wanted to go all in and a guy like,
you know, superstar type player, I guess it would make sense,
move some of the young guys and maybe throwing a
Dylan Brooks for for money reasons and kind of get
you know, go from there. Maybe you want dealmost I
don't know, but tough situation. I don't know what they're

(01:08:04):
going to do because they have a lot of really
good young guys that at this point need to start playing.
They in my opinion, they were behind the ball on Hingoing.
They waited way too long to feature him as the
number one guy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
I don't know what's going to happen with Jalen Green,
who's due to get paid?

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Oh Jaen see, I forgot about Jayalen Green.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
That's how much young talent they have. You can forget
about somebody like Jalen Green when you start going down
the list. They have a ton of it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
That's incredible. Jalen Green has how old he's probably twenty two,
twenty three in February, so that's they have a lot
of young pieces man, how do.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
You feel, well, how do you evaluate Jalen Green? Because
people are kind of all over the map with him.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
I'm a fan of his. I just think he needs
to find the efficiency. Justin Justin talks to me about
him all he doesn't like that he's just a tucker,
and I think on some level he is. But I
also think young players need to go through that phase
sometimes to find what they're really good at, and so
I don't know. I think really good as potential, but

(01:09:05):
I think he needs to be in the right situation
to develop. Like you, Doug as a good coach for him,
but I think he probably needs to become the two
to Alfred Shangun's one, and then we can and once
he takes on that role, I know young players really
want to be number one and showcase their skills to
get paid. Once they do that, I think then once

(01:09:28):
the pecking order starts to kind of develop, we'll see
the development really really show. But he's I think he's
really talented, he's really good, and.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
I wouldn't be surprised if he got moved.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
I wouldn't and and so so at this point, I'm
also in the same band, like I also want to
say that. I think time is also running out on
him to show his potential. Is that number one, number
two guy alongside Shangun right, Like, I think he's very televiented.
I think you can figure it out. But I think
he's a bit of a time crunch here with some

(01:10:06):
of the like if they have I think reach ever
is going to be the point out of the future.
But no question, he's really freaking good. I mean, he's
incredible good play.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
He cooked in the summer League.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Yeah, I mean, and I don't think he'll have an
issue really doing that in the big league because he's
got the quickness and the uh you know, kind of
finessa to beat around, the size and some of the
physicality stuff. But like if he if Jalen doesn't figure
it out, yeah, I mean, I think you're right. I
think on some level they probably will end up moving
him they don't see what they need to see.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Yeah, I'm gonna be watching that situation. And I think
the Houston Rockets are also going to be close standings
watching wise next to the Clippers all season long, and
that's the team they also play four times out of
the division. Houston is one of those teams for them,
I could see them jockeying for position of trying to
stay out of the play in or around seven eight
nine somewhere in there, or they're just fighting all year long.

(01:11:00):
With the Houston Rockets, who I think they're gonna be.
I think they're gonna be tough, but they do have
some things to figure out when it comes to rolls rotations.
They have so much young talent, but you have to
find that chemistry and mesh as well. Micah Ross asked
a pretty general question, what pieces should we get in
order to win the championship this upcoming season?

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Sho get fifty piece nuggets from McDonald's and then maybe
another sixty piece from somewhere else. I don't know what,
No I do We talked about the top, don't I
don't think they're a piece, like a single piece of
way like even think get Julius Randol. Thats probably doesn't
make them a champions pretender. This is gonna be more
of a you know, a retooling bridge kind of year

(01:11:44):
into hopefully what is more. But again, if they're healthy,
assuming there's there's somehow healthy at end of the year,
I don't think you can rule them out of anything
because of just how good Kawhi is in the post seasons.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
If they somehow overachieved though in a round on the
trade deadline. They are a top four, top five team
in the West, and they look like and Kawhi is
healthy and going on one of those runs like you
had last year most efficient player over thirty games. Ever,
then maybe they do a little bit of movement and
shake and I don't know, maybe it's possible that they see, oh,
we can open up the window if the right trade

(01:12:19):
piece and acquisition open up from another team.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
I mean, it's possible. I think there's gonna be a
lot of context that needs to apply to that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
You know, a lot would have to go right for
them to be in contention for a top four seed.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
Yes, yes, it's possible. I think they have a really
solid team. I just think star power wins you a
lot of games some nights, you know. I think when
they got James last year, I think obviously they went
on that losing streak, but like a lot of games,
we were winning strictly off talent. They weren't playing well offensively,
but they had the better individual one on one scoring

(01:12:57):
talent that it didn't freaking matter some nights and then
when they got tired and kind of gassed and maybe
a little injured, and March had showed. So there's a
lot that goes into it, you know, more than just
are they one the four seat? How was James played?
Has even healthy? They've been playing injured teams, you know,
the back to back situation. So yeah, a lot that

(01:13:19):
goes into it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
As we wind down here till Marris, I want to
get set for Thursday night football. I want to ask
you about to eat to Zoobos in that new contract?
Is that about what you expected? And what range of
centers do you have him in? We went through all
of them myself and Lucas Hahn. No hand, don't call
him han Adamy dumbass, and at best he could be tenth.

(01:13:41):
But he's in the mix with guys like Miles Turner,
Isaiah Hartenstein. You could make arguments for those guys being
better than of EATSA Zubos. I could push back against
some of those, but he's somewhere to me around ten
and fifteen. He's within there, a slightly above average center,
I'd say, in the league. Where do you have them?

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Yeah? I actually want to find the tweet, like I said,
he was twenty six.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Oh that was crazy, that was insane. That was casual stuff.
That was way way off.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Yeah, Actually he doesn't have the whole list. Yeah, I
mean I think I probably agree with you. He's probably
in that in that ten to fifteen range, trying to
pull up the centers from last year stat wise, but
Joel and Bid, NICOLEI Oak with Anthony Davis, bam Adebayo,

(01:14:36):
Karl Anthony Towns probably is where I'm you know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
I wouldn't even call Carl Anthony Town's a center right
now because he has y Gobar next time, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Yeah, Like, I mean, yeah, I think he's probably in
that ten range. Like I I think the only player
I can say is probably better than him is maybe
Christaf for Ingis. I think I.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Would definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
I'm in factoring him a lot as far as like
easy it is to plug and play him, you know,
availability or something like that, is much of its better
than him?

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
No is his rent protection is awful. People will say
he is because he's had his best game ever against
the Clippers a couple of them, So there's fire.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Yeah and be jok wenby Shingoon ad Vegas a d
the bonus Bam Miles Turner.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Yeah, that's probably I think I'd take Zoo over Miles Turner. Honestly,
that's who's been the best rent protector in the league
twice since he's been a Clipper, number one rent protection
within six feet.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
But I think Miles has also been solid. But he
has the shooting aspect which gives him significant I mean,
you can see him make like sixt threes a game.
That's that's the game changer.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
He's also got way more opportunities than the Visa zoomos.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Ever has I allege with that. That's that's very true,
very true, But I don't think. I don't think there's
a right or wrong answer. Both are really good, I agree,
But he's definitely in that range. Yeah, he's not wherever
that dude's at twenty six or whatever. But I also
don't think he's top ten. He might have a chance
to creep into the top twelve kind of top ten
area if he has a big year, which I think

(01:16:20):
he is primed to have a big year. You know,
the new contract kind of proves they they've they believe
in him, and then they love the growth they've seen
the last couple of years. So yeah, I think we're
definitely we're definitely in store for potential big year from
zoodred percent.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Final question from clips or Die, who do the Clippers
go after a free agency in twenty twenty six if
that is in fact the plan? You brought up a
couple of names there, the two biggest being Shake Gilzolexander
and Luka Doncic. Jason Tatum is no longer going to
be available then because he's gotten his new deal. And

(01:16:57):
to be honest, both those guys we talked about could
have contract extensions by then too and are going to
be really hard to pry away from their current situations.
Was Sga and Luca That's not easy to do.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Yeah, So looking at the list here based off of
annual value, So Damian Lilla has a player option, Joel
is a player option, Lebron is unrestricted, Bradley beal As
is a player option, then we'll probably not They might

(01:17:34):
be Luca l ben as an option. There's a lot
of really good I mean, I I envision a lot
of these guys probably resigning with their teams. That's the
tough part. You really got to see who who ends
up signing with their resigning with their teams, are signing
their their their max extension with their teams. I don't
I don't know. I don't know. I think in that

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deal world, you you right the wrongs of twenty nineteen
and bring back Shake Gildish Alexander.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Am I crazy to think that there's a better chance
they get SGA back if he actually wins the championship
with Oka see first, because therefore he's done his part.
He took care of the small market team that traded
for him, and he can go wherever he wants.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Well. I think that's I think that's accurate. That's that's
that's the Kawhi wasn't the Kawhi thing? Essentially that he
wanted to champions him and we thought everyone thought, Okay,
he finished it. He can he can go home happy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Now Lebron and Cobland. He fulfilled his promise.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Then he could leave.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
I think it could be the same thing with or
he could say, we still have ten more first round
picks and I'm in the best situation possible. I'm gonna
stay and we're going to go back to back.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
I mean, I think he seems like a guy that
like loyalty is big to him, and so I think
he also didn't. I know, he's big in the fastier
game and everything, but he's a very low key person.
He doesn't you know, I don't. I don't think he
needs to be in a limelight like that. I'm not
entirely sure he likes it. And so I think, where

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do you go to school? Kentucky? Right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
One year?

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Yeah, you might be a guy who who's content with
their situation competing for James. He's built a lot of
camarade with some of those guys, and so I think
it'll be hard to pull him out of that situation.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
I think there's a better chance that Luca would come
to La because it just wasn't working in Dallas. Let's
say anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Way go to Denver with one of those two. I
don't know if they.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Can pull it off, though, I would they just resign
Jamal Murray.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Now if if if Denver, here's Lucas saying I want
to play with Jokic, you don't think they'll do whatever
the hell it takes to get Luca to play along
like Jokic.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
You're saying Dallas would just agree, Then we're gonna trade
him because we know he's leaving anyways type thing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
If they knew, I don't see how you can let
them walk, you know, for nothing. Yeah, not a player
of his caliber.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
That's a fair point. That's a fair point.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
I just those two screwed. One of those two either
either either Yokich is going to Dallas or Luca is
going to Denver. It just feels like that is inevitable
at this point. It's just a matter of who can
convince the other. Whose teams will kind of not be
able to figure it out. I mean, never won a championship,

(01:20:28):
so in my opinion, like the likelihood is that Luca
moves over. But again, they were they were like maybe
a piece away last year. They probably had a good
the playoff bracket set up for them, but they were
not that far off last year. I think Boston was
just my far the better team, but like not that
far away. So you know, if the MAVs win one,

(01:20:49):
then it's like, all right, I don't know what the
hell's gonna happen. Both these guys have won, both of
the guys want to play with each other. I don't
know what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
Basically, there's far too much in flux to know anything.
Clips Erdye does say, I would love as gack, You're
the one man nobody else wants them, You're the one. Yes,
we all want this, dude. It's it is h one
of those history.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
I mean, even if you get ask you back, I think, Okay,
she still has the the picks and everything. So it's
just it was a disaster, a disaster trade unfortunately. I
mean it's easy to say that now, but yeah, I
just wish things were given an opportunity to blossom before
they they happened.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
I like this question. DP thirty to Mara says, boldest
prediction for the season not involving the Clippers. Not involving
the Clippers, Oh, oldest prediction. I could go Jimmy Butler
gets traded after having that discussion. I could go Damian

(01:21:56):
Lillard gets traded after having that discussion. Who else? I
got one? The Sons have to blow it up. KD
wants out it's not working.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
D wants to uh write for the Athletic again and
say my next chapter he goes back to the Warriors.
That's my prediction.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
Oh that's hot? Is it? Would it be? Would it
be a bold I guess maybe not. Would it be
bold to say I think the Wolves win a championship?

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
No, they were just the Western Conference Finals. They got
Anthony Edwards that have the best defense of the league.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
I just don't think they're given enough attention or respect
like that. Everyone's talking about Boston Milwaukee. Really yeah, I
feel like the name I don't think I talked about. Okay,
hit his head on the damn backboard.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
I will get people's attention. I'm on the rim actually
for that block.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
It's a bold prediction. It's a both bold prediction.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
How about the Spurs are top four seeds?

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
Will not be a tough will make it a bold prediction.
But I don't even believe I have something. I believe.
I can't throw something out there. All right, all right,
I know if you want me to throw something out there, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
I mean just make it hot, but you have some
level of belief in it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
This is tough.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
Let's let's go with Lebron wants out.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Let's go with I think the I did look at
the standings before I say that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
Come on, you're being way too analytical with this. Ain't
that serious, bro, It ain't that deep.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
Ain't serious?

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
I could see things being a disaster with lebron I
don't think he'd leave Bronny though.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Okay, how man, I don't like this. I think I'm
just gonna throw it out there. I think the Fishers
have a chance to make the playoffs. I'm just saying that,
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
Know what what playoffs? Top six seed, top six.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Seed, Well, it could be at the seven or eight. Yeah,
I thought you're.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
Saying through the play in into the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Yes, okay? Is that that is that? Too? Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
That's hot?

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
I like it. Why I don't I don't know how.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
That may be a little too bold. That maybe a
little too bold. I have gone way too far the
other way.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
That's tangy best bold. Yeah, like mom, mad is gonna
average twenty and fifteen.

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
I get you, you know, I'll give you a second
one if that's too crazy. Okay, I think I think
the Orlando Magic weeks the conference finals. How's that?

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
I like that? I like that. That's right, that's right
in the sweet spot where I could possibly see it happening,
but other people would also doubt it. So that's a
perfect take, very good. That's why it's Timar's early That's why.
That's who he is, that's what he does, and where
he finds him would be with clutch points. Check him

(01:25:25):
out on X AT T O M E R A
Z A R L Y. We had some catching up
to do after I had this channel for a month
and didn't bring timar on. You got a little bit jelly,
got a little bit hurt. Feel we come on. You
said you didn't want to follow Brian Seeman. I wanted
you after Brian semen Man. I wanted you early on.

(01:25:47):
Then then I got flooded with That's fine, better late
than never.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
We appreciate all you guys in the chat, even the
ones that were just arguing with each other the entire time.
That's what chats are for. I get it. Look, Paul George,
stuff is still very fresh, and those wounds there could
be some salt in them by the time the next
Podcast P episode comes out and he keeps talking about
the situation.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Finish their podcast for a while, so they actually just
wrap up the second season, so we are Podcast P
three for the time being.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
Ooh, that's probably for the best. Oh, I have one
more question for you. I'm going up north this weekend
to visit the great Ralph Lawler, gonna do a sit
down interview and bend Oregon. Wow, what should I ask Ralph?

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
Tomar that's even tougher than the bold predictions question? Oh
my god?

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
Oh, by the way, and Mondo Carrino has his bold prediction.
Norman Powell wins six Man of the Year. I don't
know if it's that bold. He was top five last year.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
I respect it, I just don't think it's that bold. Yeah, yeah,
he should have.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
Been top three. He scored the most points off the
bench in the NBA last year. And if you guys
want to get on this, what I should ask Ralph
this weekend? The interview will probably be out maybe late
next week. It might take some time because we're gonna
have like three cameras. We're gonna do the matrix effect.

(01:27:11):
It's gonna be very professional.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Wow, this guy went all out for it doing it right?

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
Is Ralph Lawlor? I got to I'm not gonna do
a little zoom interview with Ralph?

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
What is this?

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
Tomarosari? Respect I'm playing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
I guess I may maybe maybe ask him if he
if he misses uh missus being on the sideline for
every single game, and and following the team as closely
as he did for ninety years.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
And holding the microphone like I am doing the entire time.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Yeah, I mean definitely telling hello obviously, but yeah, just
I guess does he miss the the you know, the
every day the camaraderie, the the excitement of those games
bring you know, those those type of moments you know,
I remember, like, I'm pretty sure I didn't know what's your.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
Best Ralph Laller moment. I know you've talked to him,
I know you watched him forever, Like, what do you
remember most about Ralph? A special call to you. A
lot of people cite the sham at three. That was
a big time bingo. I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
I think it might have been the Crawford to Blake Griffin. Yeah, yeah,
those two, I think. Yeah, I think it was definitely
the one of the Law of the jams. Oh oh,
it was definitely one of them. Was definitely the melos
behind the back pass to to DJ for the dunk

(01:28:50):
where Ralph kind of cut his oh what passed? They
just cuts off what he was saying, Oh what ass that?
That was pretty fun. But no, it's hard to pick
one out of so many fun, Yeah, highlights fun. The
Shaman one was definitely a big one, big moment, big, big,
big call. So I try to pick one.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
But yeah, all right, well, I'll send him your love
as everyone else is showing love now here. I will
ask this question because I don't. I just reread his
book Being Go forty years in the NBA, and I
didn't see him answer this question in there. Why did
he always rely on a mic instead of a headset?
DP thirty wants to know that DP. I'll ask him

(01:29:31):
on Saturday when I see him.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
I will give old school that's probably why, but I'm
curious to hear from his perspective.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
That's still Yeah, the price is right microphone. We didn't
see that from anybody else in the NBA, but Ralph Laller, is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
That golden microphone still there? It is? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
You tell me?

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
Yeah, I'm not sure about that. All right, Love you guys,
Love Tamara Zarli Temara. It was good catching up and
I love your work. And what's coming up? What should
people be waiting for and anticipating to read from clutch
points in yourself?

Speaker 2 (01:30:06):
Uh? Damn, nothing too crazy right now, I'm trying to
you know, just catch up with some of the guys,
hopefully put some you know, maybe like an off season,
pre season type of little piece there. I also I
spoke to some of the Darius Miles and Quentin Richardson,
did a little thing with them that's probably going to

(01:30:27):
be out soon yep. And then I also, what was it,
I think else have pipeline. Yeah, that's pretty much it,
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:30:39):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
I mean, I'm Mary Johnson joined joined the Clippers staff
as a coach, So I'm going to try to speak
to him and get get his insight on on why
he uh why he joined the Clippers, I think as
a former Raptor and I thinks the U interesting career,
So ask him about the piece of situation as who oh, Ralph, Okay, gotcha. Yeah,

(01:31:01):
I'm don't do crazy right now. I think I have
a couple of things in the works, but I don't
want to reveal them just yet, so maybe you'll just
be on the lookout. Follow me on Twitter, and I
always appreciate you having me on two months late. No,
I'm just kidding. I appreciate you having me on uh No,
I always always showing support. It is. It is awesome
to have so yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Whether you're here or not, we talk about you all
the time and we're like, oh, till Mayor had.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
That, I would have hoped, so I would hope. So
damn right, God.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
Damn all right, love you guys. Yes, let's go Clippers
sports till Marazarly. I'm out of Oslin. Didn't quite make
it to an hour and fifty five minutes, but I
think we were thorough enoughing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
But that's on you, not me. I'm here.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
I just we've been on for a while and it's
been a long day.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
You're sick of me. It's fine, I can do. You
want to see? Are you a Bill Sander Dolphins hand?

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
How about neither? How about that?

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
So you want to see Chuck suffer.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
I don't want Chuck to suffer. I'm okay with the
Dolphins winning because I love their head coach. I think
he's great, he's fun, So I can get with that.
H Yeah, go Dolphins tonight, fins up whatever you want
to say. You know, the Bills have done too much winning,
They've been too successful as a franchise. They haven't had
enough heartbreak. So go Dolphins tonight and Thursday Night football.

(01:32:24):
I'm kidding, Sorry, Bills fans. Love you guys, thanks for
being in the chat. This will be posted at follow
out of May in just a little bit for those
who missed it. For Tom Marrizarli, I'm out of Milesland.
Talk to you guys next week because I'm interviewing Ralph
coming up this weekend in Ben Oregon. Talk to you
next week.