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fg insurance dot com for more info. Hey, it's Uncle Mike and joining
me this week in the studio fromMental Health America duchess or CEO and a
good friend of mine, Andrew O'Grady. Andrew, good morning, Thanks for
stopping morning, glad I'm here.Yeah. Well, you know, we've
made a commitment. We're going totry to do this every couple months to
bring people up to date on what'sgoing on in the community, but more
importantly, what's going on with MentalHealth America. I don't think people understand

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what Mental Health America does in someregards how involved you are in the community.
I mean, the name sounds likeyou you're just a mental health foundation,
but you're not. You're much morethan that. You're very involved in
the community. Before we get started, Andrew, just give a little bit
of a background, your background andhow you got involved in met to Health
America. Sure, it came toMHA twenty three years ago. It was
called Mental Health Association at the time. And about fifteen years ago we changed

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our name to Mental Health America aftera call by the national organization when they
were changing their name that all MHAsin the country, and there's about two
hundred and forty four of us.We were all individual, separate entities,
but we all fall under that umbrellachange their names, and we were the
only ones that changed our names inNew York State. And I believe Jackie

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brown Steam was our executive director atthe time and she was on the board
of Nationals, so she felt obligatedto do that. It was a big
change, but in some ways itwas great because it makes us stand out
a little bit from everybody else,and it was a lot of getting used
to. And to your point,you know, it sounds like Mental Health
America. I don't know, itsounds I don't know. It sounds different
than it is. It sounds likea national organization as opposed to you know,

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having us folk US on Duchess County. But but we're here, and
I think that we've done a reallygood job through radio shows like yours and
through radio ads to really get peopleto know that we exist and what we
do. And so that's been veryhelpful. And again, their website is
MHA Duchess dot org. If youwant to find out more about them,
go on there, and it reallydoes tell the story of everything you do

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it and I'm telling you when youcheck them out, you're going to be
shocked at how many programs are involvedin Andrew. The first thing we need
to talk about, and we talkabout it every time you're in here,
is the stigma, the stigma ofmental health. And you know, we
say it all the time. Whenyou break your arm, or your appendix
is bad, or you know,you break a leg, you go for
treatment, you get healed up,and you get better. When you're suffering

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from a mental illness, and itis a sickness, it's it's it's not
a it's a it's not in yourhead. It's a sickness. You need
to be treated. And that's oneof the aspects of mental health America.
What you do. You're there foreverybody in the community who needs help to
reach out, trying to raise awareness, to get people to talk openly and

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get rid of that stigma, getrid of the embarrassment of what they might
be dealing with. Because when Isay people suffer unnecessarily, they do.
I mean it's not an easy fixto treat depression or anxiety. There's no
easy answer. It can be.It is very treatable, but you have
to take the step and talk tosomebody. And you know, while we

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might not be the clinical provider,we might not be your therapist or psychiatrist,
we know exactly where they are.We know how to get you into
those services. All of our servicesat MHA are free of charge. We
want you to utilize us to helpyou get the help that you need and
suffer unnecessarily. It shouldn't be anoption, and people do it just because

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they're embarrassed to say that there's anissue. And it's more common than you
think. One quarter of this popularat any given time is dealing with something
that is treatable, and yet theyare probably about three quarters of them just
don't get any help and they don'ttalk about it, and they isolate and

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they go in the bed early andthey sleep their life away, or they
lay there isolated from everybody else andthey just not they're not performing to their
optimum because they're afraid and embarrassed toget help. And when you don't address
it and you don't get help,it manifests. It gets worse, and
sometimes it can get really bad.And we don't want that to happen.

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But to your point, it istreatable and it can be helped. Don't
let it get to that point.I think something else that's very important is
if you're listening to this show andyou have a family member, a friend,
maybe the guy you buy coffee fromwho you know really well, all
of a sudden it's not acting right. You think there's something wrong. You
can call Mental Health America up andlet them know about it, and they

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will go check it out because theprofessionals will be able to determine very quickly
whether there's a problem. But maybethere isn't a problem. Maybe the guy
was just having a bad day.Who knows. But a family member,
especially if you have a family memberthat you know is suffering and won't reach
out for themselves, take it uponyourself to get involved and try to get
them help because that's the only wayit's going to get better. Yeah,
give us a call and will helpout. But you know, to that

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point, people don't feel comfortable sayingsomething to the guy that you know so
well who gives you your coffee,because we're not you know, we're not
trained in it. We don't.It's back to the stigma. Nobody talks
about it, so it feels uncomfortableto even ask questions. Not so much
are you okay? How you doingwell? I know how you doing?
How's your day? And you getan answer okay, and then that's it.

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You move on, but dive alittle deeper and really explore what's going
on a little bit. There's aclass called Mental Health First Day that many
of our MHA staff members have beentrained to train on, and we hold
these classes on a regular basis.It's about a six hour class, but
it's an investment in you because whenyou come out of there, you're going

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to feel really comfortable having a conversation. You're not a trained therapist, but
you're just comfortable having a conversation withsomebody and it wouldn't feel awkward, and
you'll know what to do when youget certain answers. So you know,
consider that look on our website MHADuchess dot org and consider taking one of
those classes and you can find themanywhere. It doesn't have to be through

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our agency, but it's a greatit's a great class to take and invest
in yourself. And you know,Andrew, when you think about it today,
and I want to keep making thiscorrelation that it is a medical problem.
It's when you go to your doctor'soffice. Now you talk to a
nurse and usually your practitioner before youtalk to the doctor. It's the same
concept. Yeah, you're going togo through that process where people who are

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going to be able to screen theperson you're talking about and maybe, you
know, maybe they'll determine early onthat it's maybe it's not, but they'll
be able to determine whether you needfurther assistance, which is what happens.
You know, if you go toa doctor's office today, you see two
or three people before you see thedoctor. Yeah, when that doctor walks
in the room, he's got hislaptop with him and he's got all the
information and he comes in and rightaway gets right to the whatever your problem

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is you're there for or if you'rethere for physical whatever, he's got all
the vitals done before he walks in. It's the same process. And it's
just I'd say that because I thinkit's important. We've got to make that
correlation. That mental health is thesame as physical health. Right, it's
treated, It has to be diagnosedand treated. It's it's it's nothing new,
and we've got to get over that. It's part of your body.

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I mean, your brain is anorgan in your body and there shouldn't be
stigma attached to it. You know, we need to address these things again.
Suffering unnecessarily, it doesn't do youany good, and it doesn't do
it people around you any good,frankly, because whether you realize it or
not, if you're that person struggling, you're impacting the whole family structure.
If you're living with other people,because people want to hang out with you,

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they want to talk to you,and you just don't have the you
know, the motivation to do anyof that, so you late from them
and it just changes the whole vibein the house. And it's just it's
not fair to anybody. And you'resuffering, so you know, reach out
and get help and to take.You know, the medical doctor is a
great analogy, but the reality isthat's who you can start with. Don't

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be afraid to have that conversation withyour doctor. They do ask sometimes,
I think it's built in, andpeople just usually just yes, then the
death or give them an answer thatthey think they want to hear. But
the reality is, if they askyou about depression or anxiety, answer it
honestly. And and if if theydon't ask, bring it up. If
that's what you're struggling with, havethem have a conversation with them. You

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know, a mild dose of ananti depressant. And I'm not one to
push pills because getting out and exercisingand pushing yourself and motivating yourself to do
something your body doesn't want to doat the moment is really important too.
But but a mild dose of anantidepressant or an anti anxiety medication no side
effects, can really change a life. You know. Think of it like

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high blood pressure, hypertension, diabetes, any of those things. You would
get medication for that, and youwould take it. Might be reluctant,
but you build it right into yourprocess. I'm on medication for high blood
pressure and I build it right intomy daily routine. Take the pill when
I wake up in a morning.That's it, and that's what it can
become for you, and it canreally change your life. Andrew, let's

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talk a little bit about mental healthAmerica here in Duchess. What are some
of the new new programs that Imean, you're every time I talk to
you, there's something new going on. I know you've got some new stuff
coming up that you're getting involved.And let's talk about some of the new
things that are going on, andthen we'll end the show with all the
other programs that are available. Well, one of the things that comes to

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mind, and we're going to focusour spotlight event in September at a grand
view on this event. On thisproject is an outdoor classroom to help the
community in city of Poughkeepsie on PershingAvenue. There's space there. They built
a beautiful community garden, and theyrenovated the basketball court and there's all this

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empty property and and a desiree kingthrough our costa program. Has Um has
really had This is one hell ofa singer. Uh. She has had
this passion and this idea to buildan outdoor classroom for the kids of this
community and other communities. They cancome in and go to the classroom.
And what it really looks like isum a piece of property that we uh

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that we renovate landscape and set upso that there's play areas for kids.
There's a walking path, there's athey're gonna we're gonna build an area that's
kind of raised and it looks downon another area so that people can sit
like classrooms can come and maybe there'sa play and the kids sit on the
on the hill and look down atthe at the players. Um. There's

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just gonna be a lot to doand we're we're embarking on that project.
We're going to be calling it Ellen'sEllen's Place. There's a woman in R'mbeck
who passed away recently who had apassion about this, and in honor of
her, we're going to name thispark after her. So we've been in
talks with the city of Pokeepsie.I believe we're going to engage in partnership

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with maybe lcs will who will bepartnering with us on that and to try
to get this done. And that'sgoing to be in addition to the community.
We recently sponsored the City of PoughkeepsieYouth Football League. They have one
hundred and talk about something that's goodin this community. They have one hundred
and fifty six players playing flag footballto tackle from age five all the way

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up to sixteen. They play everySaturday, and it's just a great thing
for kids and parents and families andit's free. A lot of communities have
this, but you have to payone hundred and fifty two hundred bucks.
In City of Poughkeepsie it's free.And that's really a great program. It's
a lot of great stuff happening aroundand we want to support all of that.
And to your point, you know, just a few minutes ago when

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we were talking about treating mental illnessand you made the point that maybe there
should be some type of a pharmaceuticalinvolved, but really the most basic way
is to get out and do things. And that's exactly what you're doing here.
This outdoor classroom you're talking about isgoing to force people to be engaged.
Yeah, and that's going to helpthem and getting out and playing football

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and doing stuff. And as aparent, if you're stuck in the house
and you're not motivated, this givesyou a reason to get out, fresh
air, sunshine. All these thingsare very important, moving around, walking,
exercising, eating well. I'm notthe greatest person when it comes to
nutrition, but eating well is reallyimportant. You know, you can meet
within nutritionists. You could change yourlife. It doesn't have to be pills.

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Therapy can help though it's incremental too. You don't have to do it
all at once. Step by stepis really you know baby steps that you
talk about that all the time.It really works well if you're expecting a
quick fix. Unfortunately, it's likelosing weight. I mean, you're not
going to lose twenty five pounds aday, and many people give up after
they've lost like three pounds. They'reexcited, and then they don't lose three

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pounds for three days, and allof a sudden they give up and they're
back on eating unhealthy. But yeah, and the other thing, Andrew is
it's probably taken you years to getto the point you're at, so you
can't expect to turn that around ina short time. It's going to take,
you know, maybe as long asit took you to get there to
get it straightened out. But thereis a light at the end of the
tunnel and you can fix things.Yeah, but you've got to take that

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first step. Really is what youreally got to do. You've got to
invest in yourself and you've got totrust the people around you and you know.
But so that sounds like a reallygreat project. It is. It's
very exciting. That'll be really greatfor the community. You know, the
city of Poughkeepsie is a little bitof a gem and it gets a bad
rep, but it could really comeback and it could really be very positive.

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It's turning around, Andrew. Isee a lot going on in the
city now, positive things, andyou're going on. I have to commend
you too. I actually was byGoals Gym over Lagrange where you've got the
overdose memorial. Yeah, it's growntremendously and I actually stopped for a minute
and sat down. It's a veryI don't know how to explain it to

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you. It's a very peaceful place. But I did feel a connection when
I was there, and I feltbetter after I left. Be honest with
you, it is it is reallya nice well whatever I mean, you
might go there because you're you're reallymourning the loss of somebody you lost an
overdose. But so that's sad initself, but it is a place where
you can just reflect and be.You can purchase a brick in your loved

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one's name at the Mark Foundation Markdash Foundation website. You can purchase a
brick and then we will install thosebricks into the ground so that there's a
memorial of that individual. There's achain link fence piece on site where you
can put a lock on that fenceand it'll never be taken off. And

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it's there, and it's really weWe decorated it. We have some nice
flowers, plants. Yeah, toyour point, it is a very relaxing
place. Well, and I knowthat probably didn't I didn't sound right the
way I said that. But Ihave someone in my life that I lost
a while a while a well,I lost them a couple of years ago,
but I lost them a long timeago to drugs. And I think

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for the first time in quite awhile, I had a chat with him.
I sat down and I was ableto I felt like I could communicate
with them, tell them where what'sbeen going on down here? You know?
And I hope you're I know nowyou're no longer in pain. But
that's what I meant. I mean, I understand the loss to an overdose
is devastating and some people never getover it. But this place, I

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think allows you a little bit ofa I don't know, like a disconnect
where you can just think about theperson, maybe not what happened, but
the person themselves and what they're doingnow and how they are. I just
found it. I felt better afterI left. I'll put a t that's
a very healthy you know, that'swhere we all want to get when we
have a loss, right to thepoint where we understand it happened and they're

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not in pain anymore and they're notsuffering. So you know, I always
it always when people pass away.It's always interesting to me. It seems
like those people that go to churchall the time are the ones most upset
about a loss. In the realityis, if you go to church all
the time and you believe they're ina better place than you know, not
that you want to jump up anddown and celebrate, but you know they're
in a better place or they're notsuffering anymore, And to make that connection

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and think about all the positive thingsand that you've experienced with them, that's
a great thing. Yeah, Iwould. I was blessed. My father
actually worked for an undertaker for years. It's on the side, and he
brought us up just differently. Iguess that you know, your time on
earth is short, and when yourtime here is up, you've gone to
a better place. And you know, to sit and to worry about your

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whole life when it's gonna happen,you're wasted your time. It's gonna happen
when it's gonna happen. Yeah,And you know, and I think you're
right. I think it is.It's obviously a lot harder for the people
that are left behind than it isfor the person it's gone, because hopefully
they are in a better place.Yeah, that's for sure. One of
the other initiatives that I know thatMHA has gotten involved with the Sheriff's Department

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very important. You know. SheriffKirk's a close friend of both of ours,
and I talk to him all thetime, and I know he's told
me that seventy five to eighty percentof their calls they respond to are mental
health related. Yeah, and theirofficers are just not equipped to handle that.
They have some training, but theyneed a mental health professional, not
only when the initial contact is butfor the follow up is the important thing.

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The police officers are not going tofollow up with anybody, but mental
health will and I think that's theimportant that's the important combination there. Yeah,
we have a really great initiative.We're looking forward to rolling out with
the sheriff. He got it approvedin the budget, I believe, and
we're going to be embedding a fewmental health workers from MHA who are experts
in community resources and engaging people.They're going to be embedded right in the

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police force. So you know onthose calls that happen that that type of
intervention can be helpful, and frankly, it's almost every call. If the
police are coming to you for aproblem, then you might have some issues
and you might have some you coulduse some help, some resources in the
community, and then for us tofollow up with you the next day to

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check in, and the next dayafter that to see how you're doing,
and today to follow through and doyou have any questions. You know,
police don't do that because that's nottheir job. So that adds a whole
other level of satisfaction, frankly,with the police force from the people that
were involved with the police that maynot have been a good involvement with the
police in the first place. Well, and I know most officers that I

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talked to it and the sheriff aswell. There's a misconception. They want
to help the community, and theywant to they want they don't want recidivism.
They don't want people going through thesame thing over and over again.
And if if you're mental health workersdon't get involved, there's a good likelihood
that even if they do, ifthey end up serving time, when they

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come out, they're gonna go backto the same environment and they're going to
repeat it. Right with your intervention, you've got some other alternatives for him,
and you've got resources where maybe youcan change that path and they all,
you know, if it happens.Everybody makes mistakes. We've all made
mistakes, and if you learn mistakes, that's success. But if you don't,
or if you're set if you're setup to fail. You know,

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he doesn't want anybody in his jail. He'd rather have his jail be empty,
and he doesn't certainly want people continuallycoming through the system. Yeah,
and that's the point behind this,is to stop that. Yeah, we
uh, you know, the greatthing about MHA growing as much as we
did. Is that a program likethis with the sheriff for other police departments,

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is that now that worker embedded therehas full access, easy access to
all the programming that we have,so from children's services, to family assistance,
to parenting assistance, to mobile crisisto community based care management and support,
veteran services, all these addiction services. We have all these services now,

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so an easy path. I'd liketo believe that we can all get
somebody into another agency very easily,but there's always barriers and there's always requirements.
But you know, within MHA toMHA it shouldn't be easier, but
it is so well. And thebiggest advantage from where I sit Andrew,
is because of the professionals you haveinvolved. There's often times where people who

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are having the problem don't even knowthemselves they're having a problem. Somebody from
the outside who's a professional can recognizethat right away and get it moving in
the right direction much quicker, whichis the key to healing really is to
get you going in the right direction. Sometimes, I'm sure even with your
agency, you've run into people whohave suffered for years that never got any

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help and now all of a sudden, you know, they're almost looking at
you, like, what do youmean. I don't I didn't think.
I didn't know I had a problem, but I don't know that's not a
problem. But I didn't know therewas something wrong. I thought that was
just normal, you know what Imean. So that's huge to have that
advantage of having the intervention like that. Yeah, we have a program,
the program we're going to do withthe sheriff we have in the city,
but Keepsie and our guy Lynnwood wouldwalk up and down the street on Main

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Street with the police and he wouldengage people to your point, who don't
even realize that there's an issue,but they're not really living the best life
they could be living. And hewould have talked to them and talk to
them. And one time a guycalled him up and said and introduced himself.
He said, you gave me mycard a while back, and it
took me a while, but Iremembered everything you said, and I think

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I'm at a place where I needthat help. And all of a sudden
we hook him up with housing andhe's in treatment and now he's a guy.
He's living on his own. He'snot living in the street anymore,
and he was at that place wherehe was ready. And because of our
intervention over time and handing our cardsout, people came to the decision they
wanted to improve their lives, whichis all that's all you can. It's
all about, That's what it's allabout. That's amazing, Andrew. We

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got anything coming up as far asany fundraising activities, because I always forget
to mention that Mental Health America isa nonprofit and they do need help.
We could always use the help.And any donation can come specifically to a
program that you want to support,or it could come to the agency as
a whole. I can promise youthat we're not squandering donations. They're coming

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directly to our agency and being usedin the services we provide. Many times,
it's offering assistance, whether it befinancial or otherwise, to our clients.
So we take furniture donations. Ifyou have any furniture you want to
get rid of, and you canbring it to Poughkeepsie, We're happy to
take it. We stored in ourbasement and then anybody that needs furniture can
come and get it for free.We're not selling it like other entities do,

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we're just giving it away. It'sit's if you have ideas about how
you can help the community and youwant an agency to help you leverage your
skill set, give us a calleight four to five four seven three twenty
five hundred. You can call meAndrew eight four to five four seven three
twenty five hundred. I'm happy totalk about your ideas, talk about anything

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that you want related to this communityor MHA. And one of the key
things is all the donations that MHAtakes it are used in this community.
They're used right here. You know, in the beginning of the show you
talked about having loosely having an affiliation. The money you take in for MHA
Duchess stays and stays in Dutchess County. Yeah, it's very important. Yep.

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So is there anything coming up tohave you got any any golf outings
or anything comes well? The MarkFoundation, which is loosely affiliated with MHA,
that many much of the money theyraise might come and support our addiction
services. They have a golf outingin August. It's going to be a
bared State park and it's a greatouting. It's probably one of the biggest

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ones in the in the area.Now you can check out the Mark dash
Foundation website for the exact date.I'm blocking on it right now. I
believe it's August eighteenth or sometime that. Yeah, So um, look at
that and see if you want toget involved there. Um, it's just
there's always something. Check our websiteout and see how you can help Duchess

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dot org. In September we dohave our our signature gala event and we'd
love for the new people in thecommunity to come out and so check our
website out. Look that up,maybe mark it off on your calendar.
We'd love to have you join usand hear what we roll about. And
as we get closer, you'll beback on before that about that, you
know, in a few minutes wehave left. Um, Andrew, it's

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interesting you come on a radio showin the morning with Tom Sipis and I
once a week and we try totalk about topical things that are going on,
and we usually do. We usuallyfind you know, Um, one
of the things facing the entire countryright now and especially this region is the
immigration issue, which is it's gotto make your jobs even harder because you're

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dealing with people sometimes that can't speakthe language that aren't here legally perhaps,
and that's really that's not your concernthat you're not. You've got to deal
with what you're dealing. But itmakes your job a whole lot harder.
Yeah, I mean, we haveto have the right people working with them
if they need our help, andwe stand ready to assist them if they
need it. But it yeah,I mean, hopefully they hopefully they all

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want the American dream and they wantto just get out there and find jobs
that are available and they get workingand they find a place to live,
and that happens. But though I'msure there's a percentage of them, just
like the general percentage percentage of thegeneral population, that need help. And
if that happens and they're here,we're happy to try to figure out a
way to help well. And thereason I bring that up is because they're

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coming from different cultures which may haveeven worse stigmas than we do. A
lot of them do. A lotof them don't even acknowledge that the mental
health exists. And they're coming nowwith that baggage to this country and dealing
with everything they're dealing with besides that, and now it's got to be rewarding
but yet challenging for you when you'reable to find an individual who has maybe

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spent their entire life being told there'snothing wrong with you. You know.
You know the old adage to justget over it is such nonsense. But
you hear that all. I'm sureyou have a lot of patients that have
been told out all their lives justget over it. Yeah, just stop.
But now they're in a culture wherewe do offer help and we want
to help. It's got to bean eye opening for them, and it's
got to be a reward for youwhen you do find someone like that that

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you can help. Yeah, youknow a lot of these individuals. I've
talked to maybe three or four peopleover the last two years who have made
that journey, and every one ofthem has PTSD above and beyond the normal
mental health issues that we all havefor many reasons. I mean, they
might have been stuck in the backof a truck and people actually died in

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the truck with them. They mighthave been people friends of theirs drowned.
Uh, it's should the journey hereand what they were escaping from. In
many cases, it's just terrible stuff. I mean, there's there's I mean,
we think about the city of Pikeepsieit was a gang shooting or this
happened or whatever. I mean,in these countries that some of these people
come from, it's just it's justout of control. Women are in danger

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of rape, and and also childrensame thing. It's just it's just a
bad scenario for and and and inorder to make their way to hear they
had to do it by foot orwhatever. I mean, it's a it's
a it's a journey. And thatjourney in itself, whether or not it
was legal, not legal, whatever, that journey itself led to a lot

(27:45):
of trauma for these people. Sure. Sure, And and in the end,
here we are in the end wherewe're going to help them. Yeah,
you're gonna help them. Yeah,that's why you're here. Yeah.
And and let's hope that the situationdoes get better. But yeah, we'll
see, we'll see it's gonna getbetter. I hope it always does.
Yeah. Yeah, this is agreat country. You know, we can't
forget what a great country this is. And I always, I always make

(28:08):
the point that all these countries arecoming from have nobody waiting at their borders
to get in and we're all tryingto get out. Yeah, that's a
good thing for us to feel thatwe have such a country that people want
to be think that's important to remember. Yeah, Andrew, it's the fastest
thirty minutes in radio. We ranout of time again. We've got a
lot more to talk about, butwe we every couple of months. I'll
have you in here or whenever youwant to come in and we got something

(28:30):
coming on, you come back andsee us. Thanks for stopping by.
Yeah, it's always good to seeyou. And I hope your neck gets
better. Me too, it's alittle stiff today. I hope you enjoyed
this week's episode of clear View HudsonValley, and I want to remind you
that all the episodes are available ona clear View Hudson Valley podcast available at
iHeartRadio dot com. Hi'm uncle Mike, and if I don't see you out

(28:52):
and about, I'll catch you onthe radio. Have a great week, everyone,
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