Exploring John's Gardening Library & Books - Garden America Radio Show [4.22.23]

Who remembers what a library is? We share our favorite gardening books and also some of the past information that has been published.

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Well we've done it. Good morning, Welcome to Garden America. Those on
BizTalk Radio. This live remote broadcastfrom John's estate. And that would be
that would be my phone. Nowthat's feeding back I think or the there
we go the computer. So we'vegot the hopefully the bugs ironed out.
Although I've never ironed a bug,John, have you no, But this

(00:20):
is going to be fun. Yeah, this so far so good. You
know, for those that are kindof in the know when you set up
things like this when you're away fromthe studio, We've never been here.
We did not do a pre setup, we didn't test anything beforehand. We
tested it this morning at about sevenfifteen, seven thirty. So far,
so good. And do we trustthat those on Facebook we'll let us know
exactly how things are sounding and howwe look during the course of the show.

(00:42):
Tiger, thank you for the setup. Yeah, it's a lot of
fun. I mean, it's neatto be able to kind of change things
up. You know. We talkabout gardening always pushing the boundaries of what
you can and can't do and takingon new challenges. And I think this
is right up that same alley wherethis is right new to us, taking
on a new challenge. I knowwe've done remote before, but you know,

(01:03):
being here in John's library is alittle bit different. It's actually,
I think to something. You're alittle easier because we're inside. We're not
having to deal with outside noise orand the weather yellow weather. But um,
it's a wonderful place. Thanks Johninviting us here, and you didn't
even welcome and I get two morehours to work today. Yeah, yeah,

(01:25):
John didn't have to make the drive. We have a comment here about
a very cozy table set up here. Yeah, we are cozy. We
are closer to each other now thanwe we've been in years. No,
normally you're all the way across theboard, right, John and I have
a little bit of room. Butto figure we get the shots nice and
tightened here, so that way it'seasy to do the show. I think
Daniel posted online who remembers what alibrary is? What it even looks like?

(01:49):
Yeah? Now, John, howold is the oldest book that you
have in this library? Eighteen thirtyeight? I was That was my guess.
Eighteen thirty eight. That was myguess. Was the Rose Fancier's Manual
by Missus Gore. And we allknow missus Gore, Do I remember how
you got that book? No?No, no, yeah, like what
I've I've collected books for many years, and uh, what I mean was

(02:15):
this was this? Like you thinklike an eBay thing? Did you used
to go to like antique book shopslike it was more likely more likely online?
It could have been eBay or itcould have been Abe books. Did
you get a good deal for it? Did the person? Did the person
even know the value of what theywere selling? Probably not? You know,

(02:36):
books are so inexpensive now. Ihave um the New York Botanical Illustrated
Encyclopedia of Gardening. I think mostof us have that book. Well,
it's ten volumes, so if youonly have one, you're missing nine.
Missing the nine volumes. But eachone of those when they were first printed
was I believe, over one hundreddollars, like one hundred and ten dollars

(02:58):
at the time. Those massive.Oh yeah, it was a lot of
money back then. And I wentonline to search and see if you could
still buy copies, and I thinkI saw the whole set online for twelve
dollars. Wow, you know twelvedollars, Yeah, in very good condition.
You could buy individual volumes for likefour or five dollars. So,

(03:23):
but why is it important to Whydo you guys think it's important to still
have books when everything's on the internet. Well, I think it's a different
feel. You come in here,you sit down, you relax, you
can there's nothing like thumbing through books, taking a book off the shelf,
putting it back, checking something else. You know, I think it slows

(03:45):
you down. I think when you'reonline there's a tendency to go a little
bit faster, and you know you'redealing with technology. None of that exists
in this library in terms of areal hometown feel. My theory, Um,
who was it that wrote nineteen eightyfour, George or Wealthy? Right?
Okay? Orwell's quote nineteen eighty fourwas um, he who controls the

(04:10):
past, past the present, andthen he who controls the present present controls
the future, right right. Andbooks are a great way to look at
the past in the sense of wherewe've came from and knowing the information like
like so in a modern era,information is there, but we don't know
where it came from, and booksgive us that look back into where like

(04:33):
like volume ten. The reason whythere's multiple volumes. Things have changed and
how things are done and how peopleknow things over time, and I feel
like books are a great way toknow are past. Yeah, the reason
there was a volume of ten wasbecause itself a beetle or what it not
volume? It's the revision ten orwhatever. Would you know? This also

(04:55):
gives you an addition, This givesyou an atmosphere you're not going to find
online, right, But Tiger hiton what I thought was the main point.
I don't trust the internet. Yeah, something I remember I was looking
up a quote one time, andI can't remember the exact quote, but
it was from Liberty Hyde Bailey,and the person who first posted that quote

(05:19):
posted it incorrectly, and it gotcopied over dozens, if not hundreds of
sites, incorrectly quoted. And whenI looked at it, I thought,
this just doesn't make any sense.And I have the book that it originally
came from in the early nineteen hundredswent up and I saw, oh,
here's the real quote. This makesa lot of sense. And the same

(05:42):
thing with misinformation. Somebody can poston a blog how to prune and give
you something that's totally wrong, andit just gets copied to other websites,
other blogs. Well, everything onthe internet's true, John, you know,
that's where the information from. Andnow now they're not even gonna be

(06:03):
mistakes. They're going to be AIgenerated right, right, right, And
because it's gonna be the information AIgets from, right, it was right,
and exactly it's wrong. I don'tthink AI is going to use books,
so anyway, that's part of it. And also everything is not even
on the internet. A lot ofinformation in these books you're not going to

(06:24):
find on the internet. I don'tthink you're going to find anything from Missus
Gore on the internet, No,not at all. Even a picture or
a painting of Missus Gore. No. But you know, back then there
were no there was no photography.It was just taller photograph, right,
it was just in its infancy.So the front piece in the book is
a hand painted sheet. Amazing whatthey can do. It looks like a

(06:47):
photo. Yeah, unbelievable. Soa lot a lot of good reaction to
wire set up here this morning,guys, Tiger, nice job getting us
set up in terms of the audioand all the technical stuff. And I'm
we're looking at the podcast right nowwith the books in the background and yeah
again, any questions, any comments, let us know on Facebook. Will
do our best to keep up withit. Nobody commented that they don't see

(07:10):
one plant. Yeah, there's picturesthe intherium, right, Bryan moved it
out of the way. I canmove it back if if you need me
to. I have evase of sweetpeas that I picked. I say that.
Yeah, I am kind of disappointedwith the lack of house plants in
your garden library, John, butmy book Behind Us Plants for the Home

(07:32):
volume exactly. You know, Idon't do houseplants anymore ever since you've gotten
off that che You know, it'sfunny. I've mentioned many times that you
know, we have the as goodas we can get, as good as
we can get silk plants or fakeplants because of our cats. They want

(07:53):
to chew everything. You know what. Still doesn't stop them. I said,
Hey, you realize that's not areal plant. What you're chewing plastic?
What are you doing? Get awayfrom there, it's not real.
They don't know what plastic yet theyknow. Yeah, Hey, are you
tying before the quote of the week? Yeah? Are you going to monitor
the questions? John? On yourphone? Comments? Okay, so I
have some so far, all goodcomments. Okay, so we've got a

(08:13):
couple of minutes until the first break. We are also recording this for our
friends on BIS Talk Radio, sowe will take our normal breaks according to
the program log. But again avery quick break on Facebook Live. And
the quote of the weeks from HPLovecraft, who is kind of a weird
person. I mean, the nameitself is a bit different. He wrote
some Yeah, he wrote some eerienovels back in the twenty in the twentieth

(08:41):
century, and it wasn't really ascience fiction writer, just an odd writer.
But anyway, he had this quoteand he said, I couldn't live
a week without a private library.Indeed, I'd part with all my furniture
and squat and sleep on the floorbefore I'd let go of the fifteen hundred
or so books I possess. Youcan'tch that squat and sleep on the floor.

(09:03):
He would rather do that than giveup his books. And dad quote
made me want to figure out howmany books I have. I have more
than fifteen hundred. Do you knowhow many I stopped at, like around
sixteen hundred did just in this room, in this room, because this is
all your books. I know thatfor a period of time there was some
in storage. There's still some inthe garage, okay. And then every

(09:26):
every cabinet you see here is books. Did you set up this room by
yourself? Yes? Yeah, ittook how long? I mean from the
time you moved in and put everythingto where I have to admit that my
wife and my daughter occasionally will comein and rearrange things, not the books,
but they'll put little and that's okay, But I mean in terms of

(09:48):
putting all the books away setting upthis room, yeah, because the books
is maybe we'll have time to gothrough it later. The books are set
up by themes. So behind youwho is uh is the Camellia section,
and there's you know, who wouldthink there'd be one book on Cameilia's let
alone ten? Right? And andthen I've got trees are all together,

(10:13):
succulents, uh, Stories, gardens, yeah, yeah, story, yeah,
a lot of Now do we havethis ladder in any shots? Because
Gina says, can Brian push tigeron the ladder? Oh yeah, that's
happening later. Yeah, and it'sit's gonna happen, Gina. I can
move it in in a minute.We're gonna we're gonna take a break here
in a second. We've got actually, you know what it is, perfect,

(10:33):
it is break time. Thank youTiger. We're gonna take a break
for our friends on Bistok Radio.For the rest of us on Facebook Live.
Yes, we are broadcasting live thismorning from John's library in beautiful Fallbrook,
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(10:54):
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(11:16):
broadcast live from John's library. SoJohn had asked us to browse his book
collection and try to find a bookthat reached out to us and kind of
maybe we're going to talk a littlebit about it today. And the reason
why I picked this book out iskind of like what we started the show
with as far as the importance ofbooks and how it's taught us so much,

(11:39):
how they've taught us so much throughthe era, and how things have
changed over time. And one bookthat I grew up with being a nurseryman
in southern California. I think everynurseryman in southern California, John, this
was the bible. Any garden centeryou went into they had this at the
front counter. You would refer toit, would you would look it up

(12:01):
the plants because we didn't have Google, you know, um in southern California.
Also, there weren't a lot ofbooks I felt like East Coast gardening.
There's Hortica and a lot of otherright, and a lot of the
books were written overseas, right,so that for the information was right,
it was it was not the Mediterraneantype climates. So the Sunset Western Garden

(12:22):
Book was put out by Sunset Magazineand it was specifically designed for West Coast
right. By the way, inthe article I wrote in the newsletter this
week, I mentioned that when Imoved here from Michigan in nineteen seventy seven.
I got a copy of The WesternGarden Book and every night I went
to bed reading and it took mea year, but I read the entire

(12:46):
book. But and you probably learnedso much. That was way different than
mission. Oh yeah, that's that'swhy I had to do it, because
I was in charge of a gardencenter and I had no idea what the
plants were. Yeah. So thisis John's earliest version of the Sunset Garden
Book and it's nineteen forty edition.Wow. Okay, so this is a

(13:07):
nineteen forty Sunset Western Garden Book.And I would say I used not this
particular book, but new editions ofthis book up until probably early two thousands,
before the internet really started taking all. That book is so old.

(13:30):
It was printed nine years before Iwas born. There's not a lot of
books that can say that, Isay I was printed before John was born.
But I mean, you know,up until the early two thousands,
we used this book at the gardencenter for reference. And I remember the
last edition they put out I wasreally annoyed with because of the way they

(13:50):
switched them, just the way thebook was laid out. And also they
made a lot of references to onlinestuff, so therefore they didn't have all
the information like like you used tofind every bit of alge you needed in
the book. And our buddy LanceWallheim was an editor for them. Yeah.
Well, I mean, I knowwhat they were trying to do at

(14:11):
the time they were moving to theinternet. Yeah, well nine then he
was an editor for the older ones. Okay, yeah, probably not the
internet one though it's possible. Butso, and I mean just back to
books is through the years. Imean, the biggest thing I think that
was in the Sunset book was ithad specific zones or our region exactly,

(14:31):
and USDA zones were went from oneto ten and very vague right in their
Sunset had twenty four zones just forlike now with those zones within those zones,
yeah, well they were, butthey would break it down. For
instance, USDA would call San Diegozone ten, okay, okay, but

(14:52):
within zone ten, Sunset had zonenineteen, twenty twenty one, twenty two,
twenty three, and not all plantswould grow in all zones, right,
and then they even bring it downinto like twenty three A twenty three
B for some of the things.And it's because we have so many micro
climates here in the West Coast withthe mountains, the coast, the deserts

(15:16):
and all of that. I mean, I think Kansas could be classified as
one zone all the whole state,you know, right, yeah, exact.
You know, just in San Diego, we have ten zones where you
have the beach, the coast,you have inland, mountains and deserts,
right, each one different. Bythe way, I quickly want to remind
people not to tune out and tostay tuned because we have a surprise for

(15:37):
Brian coming up, and it's notjust him getting to push you on the
ladder. And we have the ladderand one of our shots, so it's
an actual library ladder and our friendjan and Brentwood says she has magazines and
catalogs in her library, which Ido too. And as a matter of
fact, Brian, I don't knowif you can reach that magazine behind you,

(15:58):
because no, the magazine. Okay, this is an old comic book.
No, this is a copy ofFlair magazine. And Flair Magazine was
put out by Floor Coals. Itcame out for one year and then went
bankrupt. But her I've talked abouther before because there's a rose called floor

(16:19):
Coals, which I discovered in atthe San Jose herit Rose Garden, and
when I saw it, I thought, wow, that's so beautiful. What
is it? And I had neverheard of the rose before, so I
took a cutting started one, andthen when I got home, I thought,
you know, that's a weird name, floor Coals, because floor is

(16:41):
French for flower coals. I hadno idea what that was, but then
I found out it was a person'sname. And she was a fashion fashionis
stuff from the mid twentieth century andwas married like four times, and her
husband was the editor of I thinkit was the Post magazine or one of

(17:02):
those magazines, and she thought beinga fashionista, she thought I could do
a much better job. And shesaid, I want to put out a
high class magazine. So she startedFlair Magazine in January, went out of
business in December. But it wentout of business because she did crazy things
for the time. The first thingshe did was, you guys will have

(17:25):
to show but like each cover isa cutout, and the one that tigers
holding is the May edition, whichis the Rose edition, and inside the
book she weighed her face in here, Brian, exactly, there we go.
That magazine is over one hundred dollars, so be careful you can still

(17:48):
cents. That's more more now it'sinflation. But within in the book too,
she had little inserts like that one. Right there is a book is
an insert called the Flower of Flowersabout roses from Katherine Anne Porter, who
wrote Ship of Fools. And onthis particular issue there was no scratch and

(18:10):
sniff back then, right, soshe put rose oil on each magazine and
put it in that plastic bag.And you know what it sounds like.
The reason she went bankrupt is becauseshe was putting a lot of money into
all these quirky features, right,And the magazine was double the price of
any other magazine out at the time. But it's really really interesting. She

(18:33):
would have articles from Salvador, DollyWinston Churchill. It was amazing. She
lived to be over one hundred yearsold. She wrote some flower books too.
And on the mantle and behind usis a painting of the floor coals
rose over the fireplace, and thatrose was painting was done by the artist

(19:00):
James Noble, and I found thisin the Totteridge Gallery in London and I
was able to get that as aChristmas present. Wow, we're going to
take a break. We have tostay on track for our friends on BizTalk
Radio. So back after these messagesas they say, no, no,

(19:21):
you're good, and again thank youfor joining us, as we broadcast live
on remote Fallbrook, California from theJohn Beg Nasco Estate. Back after these
messages. Okay, welcome back toJohn's Library in Fallbrook, California, located
right here in southern California. We'reabout an hour or so from downtown San
Diego. Just to give you anidea for those that are listening and watching
out of state. Back in thelibrary, well, actually the first time

(19:45):
in the library. But we're backafter the break in the library, Tiger,
That's what I was trying to say. A lot of library talk,
had a lot of library talk.Carla wants to know if Shannon's going to
peek in to say hello. Okay, wait, we can ask her.
By the way, she does makethe largest cappuccino I've ever seen. Thank
you, Shannon, very good.By the way, in front of you,

(20:06):
Brian, yes, right in frontof me is a gift for you
from jan that we were just talkingabout up and right right, and it's
the George Burns rose. You're akidding, No, you're a kidding.
Have you seen George Have you seenGeorge Burns in bloom? Yes, it's
got a little cigar that smokes,Yeah, a little glasses. Well,

(20:29):
hey, thank you very very much. I'm talking rose. And not only
that, it's grafted on Fortuniana,which is a really strong root system.
So no disease hopefully. Well,it doesn't have anything to do with disease.
But it makes the rose grow morevigorously. Okay, so you'll probably
have double the amount of blooms youused to have, and just the perfect

(20:51):
time of the season two. Yeah. Yeah, he's already got a Yeah,
it has a couple buds on it. It's vigorous. It's that whole
Uh would you say, John,the grafting that's making it grow vigorously.
Do you have a pot an emptypot? I do soil? Yeah,
exactly, I got plenty of soil. I got frog soil, I got
happy frog. I've got fox farms. We're in good shape. We're set

(21:14):
nice. By the way. Thetomatoes doing well. Yeah, the sugary
right, sugar, not no bloomingyet, but I can see it just
in a week. The growth isgood. Yeah right, yeah, that's
gonna be fun. That's cool.See, thank you very much. I
am touched. I haven't had aGeorge Burns Rose and Jam probably fifteen years.
I know, I know you andyou can't get them anymore. Wow.

(21:34):
Jan wanted you to know that it'sVID two v D index, which
means virus index, so it willnot have virus. Well you heard us
talking about you exactly. Hi,good morning, Yeah that was it.
Did you look? Was it actual? The cameo? She wasn't even in
the shot and now that was good. Yeah. Um, so it was

(22:00):
what d D means virus indexed,and it comes from the god trying to
think of the uh the college upnorth, the my mind, Juste Davis.
Yeah you see Davis. Yeah,you see Davis. Um uh goes

(22:22):
through and they virus index roses becauseonce a rose gets a virus, if
you take a cutting from it,yeah, it propagates to all the future
roses. So they go through andthey clean them up and make sure that
there are no viruses in their cuttingstock. And you can you can get
cutting stock from them to Bud Roseswith and you got me a Chrysler Impel

(22:45):
that is v I d oh reallyyeah, that would have come from the
same exactly. Yeah, I rememberyou telling me that story. I was
like, you know, because itwas a Chrysler Imperial a rose. And
I was like, that doesn't seemvery John, right right right, chrys
Why I gave it to you?Exactly Chrysler Imperial isn't a very rare or
unique rose in any which way.And so I was like, John,

(23:06):
why do you have why why isthis even in your in your you know,
galaxy of Roe, your repertoive rosesAnd he said, oh, because
it's v ID and this is thespecial part of this. What's the background
of that name? Because I thinkof a big car us, no,
Chreisler Imperial, I think of abig car. Really say it's that obvious?

(23:27):
Yeah, very fragrance. Yeah,um so cool fun rose. Yeah,
thank you so much. This willbe trust me, in about a
month, you'll see a lot ofa lot of blooms. It'll be well
taken care of. Oh you cansend a picture into the to the news
least absolutely what about that news lestwe'd like to remind you to go to

(23:48):
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going to garden America dot com gardenamerica dot com. We appreciate it.
John, must have been getting alittle toasty here with your back a little
warm. John, Well, justthe uh, just the fan was on,

(24:12):
so it was just blowing out.That's not quite it is, Yeah,
it's quite. Or I can turnthe flames back on in a few
minutes if you really miss them.Do we have any questions? Are we
caught up on some of the reactionshere on Facebook? Want to make sure
we're not ignoring anybody. Jan wantedyou to know that next is going to

(24:33):
be Gracie Allen. Wow. I'mspeechless. I know, Wow, George
and Gracie sagging that. Gracy.I'm just taking a look at all these
books behind me, and I'm sittingright behind in front of the bug collection
and tree collection right now, andyou know it's such a neat, you

(24:56):
know section of you bugs for plants. I mean, I feel bugs go
in the same category as why somebodywould become a botanists entomologists. Yes,
it's kind of the same thing.It's because that are always hoping to figure
out a new name for a bugin some kind of new class, but

(25:18):
there's so much that have been foundalready that they just can just keep revisiting.
It's where to find new bugs,though, and it is mammals for
instance, right yeah, right,yeah. I always felt that my heart
education was lacking because I was majoringin accounting until my senior year in college,

(25:41):
and then I switched to horticultural marketing. But because of that, I
only took heart courses my senior yearand so I was able to get a
four point and raise my average soI could graduate with honors. But I
couldn't take all the courses I wanted, and I miss stout on entomology really
and so that would have been fun. Well, yeah, I always felt

(26:03):
that I really didn't know much aboutbugs because I missed out on that course.
Instead, I took plant systematics,which was taxonomy, which I think
helped me more than entomology would have. Yeah, because I knew got to
know more about plants rather than whatkills them. Well, it's funny because
I mean there's a lot of bugsout there. But I mean, on

(26:26):
one hand, you can name reallythe bugs that you need to know.
You know, you know, avidscale, mealy bugs, a caterpillar,
and you know anything above and beyondthat scale. I thought I said,
Aid's scale mealy bug. It wasa caterpillar and white fly leaf miner.

(26:51):
Yeah, but even leaf miners aren'tthat bad. Citrus leaf miner, right,
but I mean, you know they'rethey're pretty bad. They're pretty bad.
But in terms of other places,they don't have that because we live
in California, and you know,there's not a lot of leaf miners on
the Midwest, no leaf majors either, from what I understand. Oh really,

(27:12):
I don't think. So. Ihave fifteen hundred roses out there,
and yeah, we're gonna go outand count them all next to a segment.
Well, during the summer, youwill not find an a fit anywhere
right on the fifteen hundred roses.And I don't spray at all. So
I think when you get your gardenand balance, there's really very little you

(27:32):
need to do. Maybe if youhave a specific problem that you need to
take care of or like they likea big infestation where you know they've created
a problem. You're saying, likea specific problem, but then a lot
of times that could just be spottreated. And right, you're in a
lot of those problems are cause becauseyou sprayed, because you killed the beneficials

(27:55):
that would use them, use yourinsects as a source of food. Once
those are dead, they just takeoff. Yeah. Um, although you
know where people live where they havethe fire ants and the mosquitos, all
that stuff, the only thing theycan do is just spray. Yeah,

(28:17):
right, Because I mean, welive in an area where mosquitoes are a
problem. They're not fun. ButI wouldn't say every night that I walk
out into my backyard I get bit. There's places that people live where if
you walk outside you yes, seriously. And then you know, with fire
ants, if you are in yourlawn or in your garden, you're dealing

(28:41):
with them. Your kids are gettingbit by them constantly. And if I
live back East, I would notgrow rosists because they've got rose rose that
disease, they've got black spots,they've got Japanese beetles. It's just like
deer. Yeah, why bother John, We got questions in comments. Don't
we have one comment that somebody's reallyexcited? See if you can guess who

(29:02):
this is. The comment is,oh, great, another plant for Brian.
Oh would that, by any chancebe my lovely wife Dana? Yes,
it is great. Another plant?That's your cat? Yeah? What
are the three cats? Exactly?Bandit? Let's bandit wrote that way.
Isn't that one of the names?Yeah, he's the older one. Yeah,

(29:23):
is that he's the old man ofthe house. Yes, yes,
oh, bit me. I missedCarla's comment at the beginning of the show,
I said, she She says,Please go back to my comment at
the beginning of the show if youget a chance. I want to know
where you're smoking. Jack is inpipes? Are guys right? Yeah?
Where are those? John? Imean, yeah, we should have had
pipes here. Huh. See thecigar box over there in the corner.

(29:45):
Is there their cubans? Hey?We should take a break. We're getting
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(30:10):
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think the most famous garden library gardenlibrary that I went to is the Henry

(30:33):
Miller Library and big sir, haveyou ever been there? Yes? No,
it's right off the one on oneright and if you drive too fast
you'll miss it because it's on theright hand side and there's a restaurant.
I think in a library it's acouple of two or three stories. I
was sad in the Tropic of Canceror Tropic of Capricorn. I don't know.
He probably wrote the same Henry Miller. Yes, yes, absolutely,

(30:55):
I'm surprised you're not aware of that. Right here, it's right by big
big sir, it's in picture.Bert Bert Bruce told me about it.
Yeah, and it's kind of it'skind of tough ad library. Huh.
Well, I would say it's alibrary that is very themed and garden.
So it's a small house set inthe redwoods, and um, people just

(31:17):
I guess pilgrimage there. It's likea little tourist thing. Yeah, you
pull in, get a bite toeat, and they have books. Is
there kind of like a little museumthere too, a little museum and people
play music. It's kind of likean r RT commun I'm looking at tiger
as he says. And they havebooks, and it kind of like,
do you have the proper respects forbooks? Do you have books? You

(31:41):
know, you open it up,you turn the page. Yeah, but
um, but you know, Ijust picture when I when I think of
a garden library, that's what Ikind of envision exactly in the woods.
You you feel like you're in acabin. And do you remember Sister ros
quote, No, the quote fromCicero that all a man needs to be

(32:04):
happy is a garden and a library. Oh boom, pretty much true.
Yeah, Henry Miller was right there. Then, Yeah, that were tropic
of cancer, tropic of capric Yeah, that was Henry Miller might have brought
in the third thing, a manneeds to be happy. But we don't
have to talk about that right now. Hey, Paula mentions that the Fallbrook

(32:24):
Avocado Festival is tomorrow. What peoplewill descend on Fallbrook really usually has fifty
people. Well, there's only fiftythousand people, maybe not even fifty thousand,
like forty five thousand that live inFallbrook, so that more than doubles
the size of the city. Andyou said you haven't gone in ages since

(32:45):
your kids were kids. Right now, Shannon and I went last year.
Did you remember you talking about it? You didn't want to go. Well,
when we came back are we thoughtthe same thing is, um,
this is why we don't go.It's it's it's it's mayhem, right,

(33:07):
and it's cool. It's kind oflike going to the San Diego County Fair.
Yeah, but you know it's becomeover the years the same thing that
to me, the same thing thatthe uh Home Spring Garden Show is where
it used to be a lot ofgardens and now it's just home renovation.

(33:28):
I just did two commercials for themyesterday, did you Yeah, and you're
and you're right, they've they've kindof gotten away from the right the horticultural
aspect, right, and there usedto be all kinds of garden centers there
you could buy plants, and um, I mean it's still good if you're
especially if you're remodeling or building somethingnew. Yeah, buying a jacuzzi,

(33:50):
Yeah right exactly. Her Joyce says, she has two squash seats that's sprouted.
What's the best way to move one? Oh, if they're just sprouts,
usually it's pretty easy. Yeah,And usually you don't start squash seeds
indoors. You start them where they'regoing to grow and when you plant them
in the ground, So it'd bethe same thing if you did start them

(34:12):
in a pot. Usually put anywherefrom three to five seeds all together,
and you don't separate them. Youplant them together. So the two seeds
you have, Joyce, go aheadand just put them in the ground together.
The plants will grow fine. Youdon't need to separate them like you
with tomatoes or peppers or or somethinglike that. Why would you keep them

(34:39):
together? Pollination or just because pollinationis part of it. And then and
they just grow in a huge Eachone's going to produce fruit. You don't
need to. I guess it's partof a space thing. They used to
say, plant them in a hilland hill was an old word for just

(35:00):
one area. Oh really, Yeah, it's not a mound on the hill
hill because people would always plant themin mounds and then when you watered or
range, they have washed flat.It's like, what's the point of this.
Yeah, and strawberries they always plantedin a hill too, or a
mound. Here's a I don't knowif I'm getting too far ahead. John

(35:21):
from Tony, what is the seriesof green books on the bottom shelf to
my right? Oh, underneath theicy Yeah. Oh I didn't. Oh
there's Tony. Do you know whatthose are? Genre? There's two two
color greens. There's an olive green, but the dark green is the New
York Let me grab one of those. Brian. All right? If you,

(35:51):
Brian, if you were to havea library, would you do music?
Oh yeah, I think yeah,books about music or books about music,
books of mine, artists, thehistory of music, history of rock
and roll from the I would gofrom the forties to present day. Yeah,
yeah, and just chronologically, soJohn, the book in question is

(36:14):
this is the one we were talkingabout earlier. Oh, the ten volumes
right right, that's the New YorkBotanical Garden illustrated Encyclopedia of Horticulture, probably
the most thorough reference that I canimagine. Lots of pictures, there's a
lot of rough to a good start, right, and if you go through

(36:36):
it's a picture book. Good forme, yeah, um yeah, you
just would read it for the articles, though. The information on any plant
that you can think of is inthere in so thorough it's unbelievable. I've
never seen a reference that was thisgood. And that's the one that I

(36:57):
told you. Each volume was overone hundred dollars new, but you can
easily get each one under ten dollarsnow online. Wow. Look at Anthereum
Brian. It's from the Greek AnthosOkay, do you know what anthos is?
Flower? Greek flower? Okay?And the aura tale, the aora

(37:21):
tale. Yeah, it's a flowertale. M That's the other nice thing
about that is he will tell youwhat each botanical name means. He translates
the Latin or the ape. Yeah. It's just by Thomas Everett. Right.
Oh wow, Hey, it isa break time. We've got to
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(37:42):
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For the rest of us on FacebookLive, we keep on rolling right along

(38:05):
as we are enjoying time away fromthe studio today broadcasting from John's Library here
in Fauborough, California. So welcomeone and all, and again unremote,
but we still take your questions,your comments, anything you might see,
as most people aren't as far aspointing out books, so we'll do our
best to zero win on that andgive you the information that you're asking about.
By the way, Tony was askingthe question about what books those were,

(38:29):
and I also thought we should noticethat Tony saved the rows that modern
Roses ten says it's extinct lemon chaffin. Well, that's right, yeah,
and about to get Budwoods. Sowe were able to offer one in the
auction last week and it went forfour hundred dollars. People obviously knew the

(38:51):
background, right, yeah, Andwe actually had two roses go for over
four hundred dollars and those were newrecords and sales. And then I say
record sales. I think, areyou immediately right, record sales that's the
same as books almost Yeah, absolutely, And and you know it's funny because
records are becoming back in style,becoming record player right there, And I

(39:15):
guess a lot of younger people nowit's it's it's the thing to collect records
and then you know, get arecord player, yeah, and play it
just like the old days. Soalso coming up at the there will be
another one in the auction for theNational Convention of the American Rose Society.
So we were able to get andthen I'll keep one here. So very

(39:38):
good. This plant that was supposedlyextinct, it's not going to be back
in the gardens. So thank you, Tony. Yeah, we appreciate that.
And so also you do you encourageor do you have a way that
help me find roses, because thathelps you, guys, document where roses

(39:58):
are, right if you register thatyou have one right on, help me
find in the future if somebody's lookingfor that and can say, oh,
John has lemon chaff him lemon chiffon. Now you'll find out that it's here.
Nice. Yeah, Um, let'ssee you pulled up some books here
in front of us. This isvolume six. I know what what is

(40:21):
the other volumes Wildflowers of the UnitedStates? I got this there's I didn't
want to bring them both over herebecause also four more volumes, but I
wanted I wanted to show how muchinformation you will never find the information in
those books on the internet. Yeah, there's uh, five volumes too.

(40:47):
Let's see, there's one. Ithink I'm trying to think if they're separated
by East, Eastern, and Western. But anyway, Um, you can
get a detailed as you want.It's I guess what I'm trying to say.
If you're looking for a specific subject, you can find books on that

(41:07):
that specific subject. This is thoseAMA. So that's the west where the
right where these flowers wildflowers are.This was just wildflowers right in just that
particular area. So if you goin another volume, you'll find the same
kind of thing. So basically that'sall the weeds growing in my garden.

(41:31):
I got a couple other books.Uh. This this book is a probably
written by one of the most underappreciatedhorticulturists in our lifetime. And I know
that you're you're a big fan ofthis person, Beverly Nichols, right right,

(41:52):
and he yeah, I got alot of que This is an original
copy, but his copies were copiesof some of his learning books were reprinted,
and Garden Open Today is one thatI'd recommend you go online and find
because you'll be reading that book andyou'll just burst off laughing. He's got
that English dry sense of humor andit's hilarious. He was part of that

(42:15):
whole group of Noel Coward and OscarWilde, but he was not appreciated in
England. And the reason that hewasn't appreciated, I think was because they
considered him a master of jack ofall trades, master of none, because
he just got you know, itwas hard for him to focus on anything.

(42:37):
He would hobnob with royalty, hewould go to garden shows, he
would write, he would do alittle bit of radio, just do all
kinds of stuff. But anyway,that book, that book is great.
And then another book that I've mentionedon air several times, the World was

(43:00):
My Garden by David Fairchild is um. Probably I would say one of the
top ten books I've ever read inmy life, Bible would be number one,
of course, yes, but takingthat out the World was my Garden
The Travels of a plan Explorer byDavid Fairchild. I gave that book to

(43:24):
a Hollywood producer once and he toldme that that was the most important book
he ever read in his life.Really, yeah, which surprised me because
I just thought he would enjoy it. And I'm not sure what that is
in there? Is that to obtainthe book from the person whose name procedures?

(43:44):
Oh, so you're supposed to writeyour name in here in the last
one and then what's this up here? Lucille Route something rude? Do you
know what that instrument? No,it's probably the person who owned the book
used to first. I always usedto write your name in your book because
you used to lun them out andyou wanted people when they opened it up

(44:06):
to remember all. I got togive this back to so and so.
Okay, now my question to you. We talked about roughly sixteen hundred books
in here, roughly roughly, Yeah, have you read every book? I've
touched every book, several touched everybook have you have? How many?
Seriously, percentage wise, how manybooks have you read in this library from
cover to cover? Let's just sayperusing even a chapter even probably everyone,

(44:31):
okay, but not cover everyone.No, I wouldn't know what a start
reference books, right, It's justlike if you have a dictionary, you're
kind of read it from cover tocover. I wouldn't know where to start.
Well, I guess that would startleft and work my way right.
Right. You have to do itthat way because I do not use the
duty decimal system. You don't.Should I climb on the ladder, yes,

(44:53):
and just get a shot for somebodywanted to see you pushing Tiger.
Okay, I think that was Ga. No, it wasn't Gina with someone
else. We gotta see about settingup this shot here? Where is it
that? Oh? Yeah, let'ssee you talk. Oh oh, because

(45:15):
people can't hear you way over there. This is really cool. Usually i've
swing across. Yeah, it comeswhen we have a rock here though.
See that's see Now Tiger's taller thanboth of us, so he could reach
much higher. But there's no wayI'm going to get up to two books
on that that high level. Iusually put books up there that I don't

(45:38):
use as often. And plus someof Shannon's books are up there, or
no one's ever going to see themagain. Behind you, Tiger, it's
not on the that's a good book. Do you remember the Vertisseri leaks.
They don't have this anymore? Nothey no? Yeah they behind you where

(46:01):
the computer is? Are all theRose annuals from nineteen sixteen to when they
stopped printing. Back to all shots, Tiger, and back to the shot
right now we say the roving camera. Veronica says her most priceless garden book
is one that was written by Bruceand CHERINASAKA, oh that's nice. Yeah,

(46:25):
let me know if it comes off. Yeah, I'm watching the it's
a little dark right now. Therewe go, There we go. That's
a little better. Rick wanted tomention that, since we are academic today,
he wanted to mension that his nephewis attending the number one botany school
in the world. Really, yeah, which is what? What's the name?

(46:51):
Do you know? I'm not sureto pronounce that. It looks like
wagen Hingen well Wagenhigen. Yeah beginswith the W, doesn't it. Yeahogin
Oh. Joyce had mentioned are waitingfor a signal. Here the shot the

(47:35):
roving camera now lands Walheim sent meand notes for him. Do you have
his picture of his library, bythe way, was a great picture.
He's got a superb library. Lookedlike, what what was this? What

(47:58):
is this? That's Luth Burbank's setof gardening books and they're kind of collectible.
And did you say that he alsohad a set. He was proud
of his set. Correct. Yeah, we're getting a little little frozen on
the audio. I'm sorry the video, but that gives you, it gives

(48:21):
you an idea of some more ofthe library. We should be good.
Lilah wants to know if I havea book on plants in the Iris family.
You know what, We're going totake a break and we can answer
that question on the other side whenwe come back. As we take this
pause, this break for these messagesand are good friends on Bistok Radio stay

(48:45):
with us. This is Garden America. Okay, welcome back those on Bistok
Radio. I hope it was agood break for you. Those on Facebook
Live get a chance to watch usin between breaks as John gathers even more
books and we continue our broadcast fromJohn Library here in Fallbrook, California,
Tiger. I do just want tomention if you're listening on BizTalk Radio,
I know that this episode might notbe too great in the sense of audio

(49:08):
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But at the same time, Imean, if you can go to

(49:30):
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(49:52):
like and subscribe. We're increasing oursubscription almost up to two hundred tigers.
Wow, we're in our infancy,but we are growing. So again,
that's a Garden America Radio show inour YouTube channel and Tiger brings up a
good point. Whatever you missed youcan watch there. So John another book
on roses. Well, I thoughtI should point out a good reference book

(50:12):
if somebody wants the complete book onroses, and it's probably something you can
get online fairly inexpensively. Tiger mentionedyou can go to help me find and
find out online and find a lotof information. But Britannica's Encyclopedia of Roses
with a foreword by David Austin,is probably the most complete and the best

(50:36):
rose book that an amateur or acollector could go ahead and get. I
mean, there's a lot of specificbooks that have been written, but this
one here would be a really goodreference. Also, I wanted to get
to bring this book because this isa book of the roses in the Finnsky

(51:01):
Rose Garden. And the reason Iwanted to point this one out was in
the in the beginning of the bookis a preface, and it's written in
five different languages. I think,let's see where. Oh, Also,
this one is signed by Professor Finnskiand there's only does you own Nay,

(51:27):
there's only ten of these books inthe world right now. Really, in
this condition, should I have notput my coffee on it earlier. Yeah,
yeah, okay, there's uh,these are there's five different languages that
it's written, and there's Italian,there's French. Say that one right there,
Bran's that's German, isn't it probably? Oh yeah, and I can

(51:53):
say that one. I'll say prologue, which is I know I butchered that
Wow, okay w p R OW A D now stand that page that
one I wanted to point out becauseit's written in Polish one. And I

(52:14):
when I first saw that book inItaly, I asked him why they had
a Polish translation, because that seemedodd. I don't know. I mean,
usually you would find English, right, and then maybe French, Spanish,
Italian, Yeah, right, butusually not right. And I was

(52:34):
told that that translation of the prefacewas written was translated by the Pope,
Pope John the twenty third, Ibelieve. And the reason that the Pope
did that for Professor Finnaski was hewas the surgeon who saved the Pope's life
after he had been shot. Doyou remember that assassination in nineteen eighty one,

(52:59):
right one? Yeah, okay,so I at the time, I
said you know what, if youcan autograph ten of these copies and send
them to the US, I willput them on auction and we'll send you
the proceeds to help your garden.And after he told me that story,
he said, you know, ifyou could get the Pope to autograph these,

(53:21):
we could get a lot more money. And at the time, he
said, you know, the Popeis so ill now no one even gets
to see him anymore, he said, And I said, oh, I
understand. I thought it would bea long shot anyway. But what he
did on that page, the Tigerwas just showing you. He cut out
a picture of himself shaking hands withthe Pope and pasted that into those ten

(53:42):
volumes, which I thought was kindof cool. Yeah, there's a little
there's a little picture here with himwith the Pope. That's neat. Kevin's
giving me some good advice, hesays, I might want to fill in
the upper shelves with knick knacks orfake books, just to fill in the
space. No, he's leaving thatroom for adding to his collection. No,

(54:07):
well, I've got a lot ofthings to you know. I told
you how everything here was organized andcatalogued, and I just haven't had a
chance to fill everything up. Howabout some hanging vines, John just lightly
over the books? Yeah no,how about some creeping fig that can attach
to the books. Did you noticethat? Did you notice this bar in
front of us in case he wentto move the ladder? Yeah? No,

(54:28):
they all have. Yeah, Ijust just now noticing it. Yeah,
I'm late to the party. Itwas either that for his ladder or
that's how he does his pull ups. I don't know which. You can
take a look at me, youcan tell us to move the ladder.
So when you were building your house, your library, where do you begin
when you want to investigate the ideaof getting a library ladder? Is this

(54:52):
very common? The guy? Right, you just google library letter. But
but I'm saying you just don't godown to your local hardware. Don't get
a home deep No, no,no. He asked the guy who built
the library, the cabinet maker,if he could do a library ladder,
and he said, oh, yeah, absolutely, Well so custom obviously yeah,
And he said, oh, hesays this would be fun because he

(55:13):
doesn't get doesn't do a lot oflibraries anymore. Yeah, I knew it
wasn't something you just go buy,you know, and yeah, and then
just assembling it. And that's rawwood, so the wood had to be
stained and each piece had to befinished. There's a lot of As you
look around the library, you'll seea lot of knick knacks and things you

(55:36):
wouldn't normally notice. For instance,on the one drawer under the the record
player, the leaf handle is thatit's a rose. A rose, Okay,
it's a rose with a bee onthe flower. So little there's little
touches like that that that probably I'mthe only one that would ever enjoy no.
No, I like stuff like that, and it adds to the character

(55:59):
and where you're at. And Imean, I'm sure you use this library
for, you know, your enjoyment, to get away his books. If
it's with a newsletter is created,it is right from this from this library,
the computer emanates not what do Isay copy like? Um, Carlo

(56:24):
says, does Kendall get to playon the ladder when she the story?
Yeah? And Gina says yes,and my dad gets so nervous. I
don't really get nervous. I justsay, Kendall, don't don't play with
the ladder. Yeah, I mean, what would be more fun as a
kid is to get on that andget pushed on tiger head when you were

(56:46):
putting exactly, and you know,I mean, I'm sure when she visits,
she loves to just put her booksup on the top there so that
way she can go up every timeto get her. We're gonna take a
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(57:09):
reading yet I'm Brian Maine, JohnBeg Nascar Tugget Palafox back after these messages
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(57:32):
segments, this one and the shorterone which will wrap up the show.
John comments questions where aren't we Tonywants to know if that's a yellow Kapo
Damonte Rose on the side table tomy left, and the answer is the
answer is just Tony good, verygood, Tony. Yeah, let's see.

(57:54):
Oh Tony wanted no it is rightthere. Yeah, tell me.
Also wants enough you can show herthe Rose section. Um is it right
behind the chair. It's that sectionthere and that little piece behind the chair,
but it's mainly that section. Andwe will we will keep an eye

(58:15):
in the video, yeah, becauseotherwise, because it may freeze up again.
But we'll try. We'll give ita shot. And Lilah, I
want to know if I had abook on the Irish family, And yes
I do. Lila, there yournext door neighbors. Lila lives in power.

(58:36):
The Irish family. Oh, theIrish family, John and Betty Iris.
That's funny. Okay, there wego, Jo, go ahead,
John, Oh, go ahead.Do you want to to narrate this tour?
Yeah? This is this is theRose section here the tagger is getting
a shot of and it looks likewe're good. The videos holding up right,

(58:59):
and then the very top shelf isall the Rose annuals. And then
the part you didn't see there wasanother part that kind of duplicated that all
the way to the right. Anyway, a lot of Rose books, lots
of Rose books. More Rose booksin this room than other books. Yeah,

(59:22):
than any other category. There's umso now I'm getting nervous the same
way that I get when Kendall isplaying on the ladder with Tiger grabbing down
and hope that he puts it backwhere he found it in the right area.

(59:44):
Kevin wants to know if there's anybird books. Yes, there is.
There's a good question, Kevin.There is a section on bird books,
and I think there's even one withbirds of the South Pacific Ornithology.
Yes, it is, okay.On the Irish book, ah, there,
here's the Irish family. You know. I have two of them too.

(01:00:06):
That's not the one I was thinkingof, but that's probably the one
that Lila would be most interested in. I think they're Austin. Yeah,
that would be easy to get onlinetoo. I suppose we could go through

(01:00:27):
and start opening up presence. Dowe have presence to open up? You
already opened the reason why I grabbedthat one Rose book because I was,
well, it looked like an oldbook. It was right, and it
was old, and I'm thinking,there can't be a Rose book without pictures

(01:00:52):
of roses, right, Like,I mean right, because the biggest reason
why you have roses is the beautifulshow what you're talking about and all of
that. Like, it's very difficultI feel to have a rose book if
you're not going to show pictures ofthe roses. But then at the same
time, at that age of books, you know that they're not in color.

(01:01:13):
So I just was interested to seewhat they had. So it was
paintings of one that makes sense.Yeah, well, now that you bring
that up, all right, Ipiqued. I piqued. I piqued John's
interest in them, because you knowwhat I mean. I mean, in
general, any plant book is goingto be difficult to have without photos,

(01:01:37):
without pictures, without something showing,because you know, it's not too often
that you can have a book thatjust well, gardening is very visuals so
you do want to see, youknow, what the written words look like
in a picture. H absolutely exactly. So, um, you know,
I'm sure that was something very difficult. I mean, as I was looking
through the you know, different booksthat John's brought out, and you know,

(01:02:02):
the World is My Garden, theDairy David Fairchild, He's got photos
of his travels and where he tookphotos. He has this one photo that
was and it says in the descriptionof the photo taken by the author right
before his arrest in Croatia, Ithink or something like that, and it's
just like it's just funny thing likethere he is in Croatia about to get

(01:02:23):
arrested, and well. He wasalso one of the first people to use
micro or macro photography. Is macroor micro I think it's macro macro where
he would take pictures of insects,but to get a close up back then
you had to have a lens thatwas about two feet long or three feet

(01:02:45):
long. So he would have thesethings set up to photos unlike the picture
of the bee that I took thatwe posted on Facebook, right, what
I mean with the iPhone, thatgot right down into his world. Right.
So I was gonna show you whatpeople did back in the eighteen hundreds
for pictures of roses when you didn'thave color photography. So you can see,

(01:03:09):
yeah, paintings, drawings, watercolormaybe in some aspects, right,
you could see the types of yeahartwork that they did, botanical illustrations of
h rose. And then also atthe same time were these trading cards from

(01:03:29):
Will's Cigarettes. Oh my gosh,really England and they were these are I
think from nineteen eighteen, some tradingcards. Look at these, I know,
something caught my interest to on thepainting that you have above the fireplace,
right, what was that painting?The significance of that painting that's the
floor coles rose, okay, andit was done by James Noble, who

(01:03:51):
is a botanical artist. And thenthis one here on the cover of this
book, The Beauty of Roses,the Rose by Henry Curtis. The water
droplets on the leaves, now,I mean to some degree, I mean
why put a water droplet on aleaf for a picture of a rose?
But um was that like a commonthing to try to get I mean,

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to try to make it look morerealistic. Yeah, because there was no
photography, so they make it lookas real as possible. If you look
at some or a water droplet.Yeah, if you look at some of
the paintings from the eighteen hundreds,you'll see, you know, like a
fly on something. Yeah, tryingto just recreate nature actual and actual photographs,

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right, okay, but they didn'tknow what photographs or But the cigarette
cards, you know, not onlyis there a picture, but if you
go on the back, it tellsyou about that particular It's like a baseball
card. Yeah, well that's whatthey were used exactly, trading cards.
Back, and I don't think kidstoday would be that interested in in trading

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rose cards. Have you gone throughthis collection and do you know which roses
are still around in which roses arenot? Ye of these and I haven't
organized it yet, but a lotof the roses I do have, really
yeah, because there are some thatneed preserving, but a lot of them
are probably extinct also. But thenagain, we're not really sure if a

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rose is extinct or you just can'tfind it. No, like cemetery,
Tony had Lemon Chiffon, you knowwho else said it? Right, I'm
sure there was another one in theworld, but no one knew where it
was. Nobody, nobody stepped forwardto let us know, right, I'm
trying to I think I lost.Look, here's a rose, the same

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rose by two different names. Britishqueen in Loraine, Elizabeth. Yeah you
know, yeah, Premiere, I'mtrying to think if I recognize any of
these names of these roses as wecruise through these cars. Ophelia, we

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miss Quinn national emblem, Jesse,the Queen Alexandra Rose. Oh that was
in uh, Queen Alexandra. Wehad Alexandra in the auction last week.
This is fun, lots of funhistory here. Yeah. Really? And

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so are you still collecting things?John? I mean, I mean I'm
assuming once you're a collector, you'realways a collector. But how do you
That's such a it's so much morenice to hear the word collectors in porter.
Yeah, but I mean, I'ma collector. How are you collecting
things nowadays? Are you actively searchingthe internet for things that you might want

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in your collection? Are you mostlyjust friends and family that know you kind
of get you things. Well,I'm focused on getting my garden and now
right Tiger's helping me do that.Once everything is planet, I'll probably get
back to collecting more. But yeah, I had different knick knacks that I

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would be looking for and always tryto collect before something becomes popular. Yeah,
right, that's the hard day,or after it's not popular anymore,
like nobody wants it. Yeah,Like if you want beanie babies now you
can get them really cheap. Hey, we're gonna take a break. We
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California, the Nasco estate here John'slibrary. John, you found some
more books that somebody inquired about.Well, Tony mentioned, and we were
just talking about paintings of roses orbotanical illustrations before photography. And remember we've
talked many times about how the EmpressJosephine tried to collect every rose in the

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world and that during the war betweenEngland and France, if the English knew
that a ship had roses for Josephine, they would let it pass the channel
rather than attack the ship. AndJosephine had Ray Dutay, Pierre Ray Dutay

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paint every rose in her garden.Wow, and that's what this is.
And Tony mentioned she also has avolume of that the Roses of Josephine.
Every rosa was in her garden atthe time. She wanted to have one
of every rose in the world.So I think there's one hundred and sixty
seven botanical illustrations, so back thenwe're talking eighteen hundred seven. Yeah.

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Yeah, So you talk about theseships that had roses right for her,
right, because how would they transportthem? In terms of keeping were they
seedlings? Were they what are wewhat are we looking at here in terms
of keeping that rose alive? Well, so get to that destination. Some
would probably be in pots that theywould water, like William bly when he

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was transporting bread fruit. You knowthose were all captains yeah, mute in
the bounty, right, that CaptainBli. One of the reasons he was
mutinied was because they needed water andhe was watering the bread fruit. You
didn't care as to Christian. Yeah, So every one of those is accurate

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botanical illustration. And some of thoseroses we only know they exists because of
these illustrations because they're extinct. Oneof the things that always fascinated me about
that was the different leaf types ofroses back then, and most of those
roses are gone, but there wouldbe like the peach leafed rose, the

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willow leafed rose, the lettuce leafrose, and which is still around that
was boolata and each leaf on therose looked like a lettuce leaf, kind
of a crinkled, big fat lettuceleaf. And you mentioned botanical correctness when
it comes to the paintings. Werethere certain things that they had to incorporate

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into the style, like I hadnoticed some of them have thorns some of
them, don't you know? Quantityof Yeah, if it was scientific,
it had to have everything. Youwould have almost the way that you would
set up again the words gone butwhere you know where they would put the

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uh roses on paper, mount themand dry them herbarium the same way you
would prepare a specimen for an herbarium, except they would have to have a
drawing of the flower, of theleaves, of the seeds, of the
stems, the thorns close up,part of every part of the flower.

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Was all all included scientific right ifthey ever had to reference it. If
you had identifying a plant, that'swhat you would look at. John,
What are the dimensions of the library? That is from Sue roughly? I
have no idea. It's a bedroom, I would say, yeah, it's
actually in the original plants, thiswas a bedroom and an office. So

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this is twenty by twenty I feel. And then that's maybe like twelve or
so. By twelve it's close's feelingtwelve to fifteen. Yeah, well those
are three, which helps, right, So we go one, two,
three, four or five, six, seven, eight, twenty four ft
long okay, and then twelve feetwhy Yeah, I hope that helps sue

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something like that. And Tony alsomentioned that she had the Vintage Garden Book
of Roses, and she brought itup because there's no pictures in a lot
of these, but there are fullcolor photos too, so just as a
catalog of names. Yeah, Andthe reason that I brought that is I
think it has more information than anybook out there. And somebody told me

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that they've been able to find afew copies online, but the only ones
listed on Amazon were seven hundred dollars. Wow, and I think when that
came out, Greg was selling themfor fifteen or twenty dollars. Let's see
if we can catch up on questions. Yeah, we've got just a couple

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of minutes. Really, yep,Wow, a lot of people are having
Oh. Lila mentioned that the MayaLee rose she got at the auction is
blooming, So Lilah has seen somethingI've never seen. That room I've never
I've never seen that rose, andthat was an extremely rare rose by a

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breeder that never had wide distribution andthe only person I knew that I had
the plant where Paul Jerabek was thebreeder by the way, but Freedom Gardens
in Ohio was the only source andhe's always sold out. But I was
able to trade him budwood and gotone of those. I have one here

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which I hope will bloom soon.But I'm really glad you got that,
Lila, and don't let it die. Carlo says, do I pull weeds
or by bookshelves for the living roomtoday? Tough? Yeah, very tough
call. Yeah. What you cando is pull weeds well the un shines,
yeah, and then do through theshelves and do the shelves. Yeah

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at night when the sun goes down. Yeah. That's the way my day
is organized, is that I dooutside stuff during the day, and then
when I can't work outside, thenI work inside. You have more daylight
this time of year, though,Yeah, I do have time to work
outside. Oh. I know we'veyou develop a routine, especially as you
get older. You know, Ihate surprises. I hate spur of the

(01:14:25):
moment, things Shannon knows if shewants me to do something that she should
tell me like three or four daysahead of time, because my first reaction
is always know and John hasn't hadtime to assimilate it either. Yeah,
and so as I think about it, if I have a couple of days,
then it's okay. But yeah,I have every moment planned out and

(01:14:46):
it just irritates me to change.Guys, that's that's going to do it.
Yeah, we're up against a plotof things I want to talk about.
Well we can we can pick thisup next week in studio. Yeah
all right, yeah, well we'lltalk about something different. Men. Thank
you so much. Those that aretuned in on Facebook Live, those on
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