October 25, 2025 • 38 mins
John and Tiger streamed the show from the California Coastal Rose Society’s Rare and Unusual Rose Show and Auction in Oceanside. No regular studio broadcast this week. The episode features conversations with growers, insight on heritage and new rose varieties, and observations from the event floor. John also mentions returning from Texas after visiting family and meeting his first great-grandchild. The focus stays on roses, cultivation notes, and what makes certain varieties stand out in competition.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, Garden America. Thanks for being patient and joining
us this morning. We're here from Ocean Side at the
El Corson Senior Center.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
For say that one more time, the l Senior Center.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
You right that? Do you like that?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Isn't it sexy?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
We are here for the California Coastal Rose Society Rare
Rose Auction, Rare Rose Auction.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Combination with the Rose Show from the Pacific Southwest District
of the American Rose Society. And our first guest today
is Ruth Tiffany. Right, who is the director? Is that
what it's called?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Director?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yes, you need to be like great here, it sounds perfect.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Yeah, director, that's who I am.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Oh wow, that's such a heavy title right there. What
is very important?
Speaker 5 (00:58):
We have about seventeen society in the Pacific Southwest District
going all the way from Las Vegas to Albuquerque.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
And El Paso.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Wow, it's crazy. It's so huge. It's the largest region
in the American Rose Society.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You know when I find that so true with a
lot of Rose societies right when you get to the
East coast, we're California over Texas, you know, they.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Well, there's still the individual local roads societies within that, Okay.
As a matter of fact, next year, No. Twenty seven,
the San Diego Roase Society is celebrating their one hundredth anniversary.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Wow, one hundred years.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, and Ruth is in charge of setting that convention up.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Oh goodness.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
And the neat part about that is it's going to
be in conjunction with the World Federation of Roses. Oh
and they have a show every three years and they're
going to be coming to San Diego.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Now, didn't they do one, like you said, three years
ago or two years ago?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I think it was now?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
And this year they did one in Japan, That's what
I was gonna say. It was Japan. Right before that
was in Belgium and that was the one that I
went to, Rose of Belgica. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
But if people can see behind us these roses that
are on the table, these are some of the roses
that are for auction, and they have blooms on them.
Normally you have to just look at a picture and
you're kind of hoping it looks like this. But people
come here and they can actually see the rose because it's,
you know, on the plant. When they're bidding on it,
they know what they're getting.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Or if you go into the rose show, which is
right in front, you can see a lot of blooms there,
of course in perfect condition, but give you an idea
for rose that you might want.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
One of the best ways to pick a rose that
you might want is to go into some garden anybody's garden,
usually invited, and look at the roses and that that's
when you hope that people have named them and put
a little tag on it so that you can know
the name of the rose.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Because that's what makes us all want.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Is to see the name of a beautiful rose and say,
I don't have that one exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
By the way, if you show roses Tiger, one rose
that wins a lot of awards is named.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Did you put her on the spot right there? It's
named Ruth Tiff Oh wow, very showy rose.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Huh.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
And it's a bright it's a bright orange color, and
it's it's not in commerce, but there are places you
can find it, I think, Steve, I still think it's
it's available at Wisconsin Roses.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Okay, so is it on Is it up for auction
today or tomorrow or no? We've had it in the
auction but but not this not this year.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Right, Well, there might be one, you never know, sneak.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It in there.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
We might be able to have one about ten days ago. Uh.
And that's close now. But if you come down to
Oceanside tomorrow or today, you can see the rose show
(04:08):
and you can do silent bidding up until noon tomorrow
and then we stopped the silent bidding and then the
live bidding. I think we have twenty one roses in
the live auction tomorrow. O some really neat roses.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, I mean I was just walking around earlier and
some of these roses out here are just phenomenal. I mean,
besides sometimes the flower, but you know, learning about the
history of it.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I mean, you know, it also has the.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Year that they were created, you know, the hybridizers, all
that information, which is all a reason why to get
a rose.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Right.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
And if you walk out into the parking lot right now,
you can see people taking care of roses in their vehicles.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I saw that.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
It's just like a dog, ghetting them, groomed, placed in
their vases and brought in here to be judged. And
this is also a judging school today, which is a
really very special thing. We have about fifteen people who
want to learn how to be a rose judge, and
that one of the best ways to grow roses is
to know as much as you can about them, and
being a judge gives you a perfect way to learn
(05:10):
a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
So we have people from Wisconsin here today, that's.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Right, taking the taking the judging class and the tests
so that they can become judges of rose shows all
over the country.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
So so tell us a little bit about the judging.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Most most people think that we're only judging hybrid teas,
which is uh uh and has a perfectly circular form
and a nice pointed.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Center similar to a floristros.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Right, So what people see in bouquets, that's kind of
what they're looking at.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Kind of like the judging, you know, the king or
the queen. But we also have many many miniature roses
we have. We have shrub roses, we have oak garden roses.
There are some beautiful ocal old garden roses here today
that people are going to be showing. So we have
lots of classes. This rose show has about twenty one classes,
I think, but normal rose shows have anywhere from eighty
(06:12):
to ninety different classes that you can enter.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
In a show including arrangements.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
And including arrangements and arrangements is another really big part
of showing roses.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
And as you mentioned, these people are preparing these roses
in the parking lot because I mean, did they cut
these roses last night?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Did they cut them this morning?
Speaker 5 (06:33):
They might have cut them this morning. They might have
cut them last night. If they have a floral fridge,
they might have cut them a couple days ago and
put him in there to just sit there and wait
because they've got cold for a while in a fridge, gotcha.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
So that's that they're kind of obsessive.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
They are.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
And when you and they're all pleasant people like Bogus
right now, you know, very very I.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Know you're afraid of the mic ruth. But John in
Newport Beach says, please hold it closer because oh.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
I'm sorry, sorry John.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah, I'll try to pick it up a little bit. Sorry.
I'm trying to do eight things at once.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
So let me tell you something about the the fun
of doing things like this twenty twenty seven convention here
and at the Bahia in San Diego, and we hope
to get a lot of people coming from Europe and
all over the United States to learn and in a symposium.
(07:37):
I recently was in Sicily and symposiums how to do
with a lot of eating, a lot of drinking, a
lot of learning.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Tiger's going to be there.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Yeah, I'm just buying my ticket in Sicily. Maybe a
little bit of sex.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Oh goodness, gracious, all right, not here, No, not.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Enough planning on that for twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Our friend Carla says she's on her way down from
Huntington Beachy. She's going to meet Lyla from Poway and
they're coming over to the road show.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
All right, come on, girls, drive safe.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, exactly. This is such a wonderful facility. You guys
have done this before.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Here, Yeah, we have.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
The auction has been here a couple of times, and
the Senior Center is very amiable in helping out right, John.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yes, it has a price.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
It always has a price.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It has a price, and you know a lot of
people think that, well, you guys make a lot of
money at your auction or you know, but it all
goes back into paying for the cost of putting putting
the show on, putting the auction on.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
I think we should also talk about the twenty five
years John has been doing this.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, yeah right, well you know what of the auction,
and he'll tell us a little bit about that. All right,
great history there, Joel.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Do that, and thank you Tiger, Thank you John.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
And if you're in this vicinity, come to the auction
and come.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
To the show. Perfect yeah, thank you Ruth.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
You did mention no sex, but you are giving free hugs.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I heard lots and lots of lots of hugs. All right,
perfect problem. All right, thank you very much, Ruth. We'll
see in a bit.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
So we're going to have Joel on next, doctor Joel Ross,
Doctor Joel Ross. And Joel is now taking a seat
next to us. Joel, that's your mic right there, and Joel, welcome.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
To the program.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
Thank you, Tiger and John. I'm very happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Good morning everyone, Good morning, and and Joel, what was
your role again? John did this wonderful title introduction. Uh,
but I've been seeing you running around you. I mean,
you're doing everything here.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
I'm in charge of making sure we have the right people,
the right materials, everyone shows up and they all go
into the right place. I'm computer central, being computer illiterate.
Oh it's a busy job.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Guy. Joel pointed out that to me yesterday that this
is our twenty fifth auction, and he started the auction
and I've only I only started three years later, right.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
That's correct.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
So you're twenty five, he's twenty two. Then, exactly got it.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
So I'll tell you the story of how that happened.
But the way it started was when I joined this
Rose Society. Every time we had to do something, everyone said.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Oh my god, we have no money. What are we
going to do?
Speaker 6 (10:40):
So I invited everyone to bring plants they wanted to
rid themselves of. We put thirteen plants out and in
the five minutes during a coffee break, people.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Silent auction.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
The next year I was joined by another member, and
the third year I wasn't very good at getting these
plants ready, and I had a wonderful plant called canary diamond,
which is very hard to get as a bright yellow,
and I left a dead bloom on it.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
You know, I do this for a living. I think
I could be of helpield Oh my goodness, I love it.
You're appended.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I was in retail at the time, and Joel was
so proud of this rose because I think it had
two petals tell was yellow. But I said, you know,
people are not going to be on something like that.
So I helped him out, and as we went through
the years, it went from from local auction to putting
(11:48):
it online and shipping plants all over the country.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
Yes, So the way that would happen is John would
call me and say, I'm going out to the flower
fields about one hundred and fifty miles away. Do you
want me to take you? And I said, cancel all
my patience, I'm going.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
So you're talking about the San Jose Herita Trose Gardens
where we saved a lot of roses from and other
gardens too, like Wisconsin and gardens in Lakenyata all over.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
So we would drive around and he would tell me
things like, well, you know, I want to put this
on nationally and we'll have somebody do this and that.
And I thought to myself, that'll never happen. After three
years of been telling me that, I said fine. He
already had somebody all lined up and the next day
they were ready to go.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Oh that's so funny. He was behind the scenes working
on it already.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Right by the way, Joel, we are friend Hustam in Pakistan,
welcome shoot to the show.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Thank you very nice to hear from you.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Thank you, and Carlos has hided Joe Joel as well. So,
you know, one of the things you guys did mention
you know before, was, you know, the the auction funds.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Of these funds go towards different rows sites, different rows.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Growers to help produce more right.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Right, or just saving roses in danger of extinction.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah, So, I mean, you know it's this isn't just
you know, a fundraiser for the society to just have
a party. This is this is preserving roses. And I mean,
if you guys were I'm going to put you on
the spot here, if you guys were to kind of
think back your past twenty five years of doing this,
I mean, how many roses do you think that you
guys have been been impactful with as preserving roses.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
We have we've had in our auction. I can't tell
you the number because some roses we've repeated, you know,
we try to get as many out there in public.
But as far as different roses in the auction, we've
put put out over two thousand varieties, gotcha, twenty.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Five years, gotcha, And some of those were one of
a kind roses.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
So now you've put those back into the market, and
hopefully people have now begun to propagate those and grow them,
and then their number is increased.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
In fact, people write and email John and say, by
the way, we lost.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
This Listen garden in Germany, and we've sent them forty
roses that they had lost, and they've got eighty thousand
roses and about ten thousand varieties. And it's to send
(14:36):
something back to an important garden like that makes me
feel like I've done.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Something definitely, definitely, and I mean, you know, to put
this in kind of a little bit of another perspective too,
is gardens across the world do this with plants because
they don't they know there's a risk of growing one
plant in one area, So why do not send them
to Germany, send them to France, send some of the
United States. Then hopefully between all of these regions, all
(15:00):
these places, somebody will keep it in case there's you
never know what happens, you know, natural disasters or closures,
or you know, all kinds of gophers. They'd have gophers worldwide,
so you know, you got to watch out for those.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
The World Federation proposed the three three thirty rule and
The way that rule generally goes is if the roses
in three botanical gardens being grown by three commercial growers
or in thirty private gardens, it's in danger of extinction.
(15:34):
So we try to have a lot of those. But
we try to have something for everybody because you know
a lot of people like to just exhibit roses, they
don't care about preserving them. Well, we like those people too, Yeah,
so we have we have modern roses, we have exhibition
type roses. Ruth was telling us about all the different
classes so that you can exhibit in and in some
roses by certain breeders are hard to find, they go
(15:58):
out of commerce. And and you have orange juice in
your yard. Yeah, exactly. I can't tell you how many
people have wanted that, and we've put it in the auction.
I think there's another one this year, maybe not, but we've.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Sold exactly exactly. Will do definitely.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
So, Joel, what is in line for today? If people
are in the area, they want to come to Oceanside Again,
we're at the al kodas On Senior Center here in Oceanside.
What are what are some things that people can expect today.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
We're having a wonderful Rose Show and it's an American
Rose Society road show. There's no charge. They'll be on
display later today in the afternoon, and all day tomorrow.
We're having a silent auction. The flowers are up on
the tables. There's bid sheets. You can walk around and
you can take your time and you can bid by
(16:58):
upping it by a dollar.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
That's up until noon tomorrow. That's when it closed.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
Closes at noon, and people get a little more wild
when they're starting to close. If they want something.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
They start.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
The bid sheet yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, or their bid really slowly.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I saw some of the ladies already have their helmets
on shoulder pads.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I was like, it's tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Around you get jostled in there. So that's noon, and
then we'll have people go out and get themselves lunch
across the street. There's ten wonderful restaurants out there. At
one thirty, we will and the reason we do that
is we're taking the cans of flowers off of the
table and we're putting them by bitter winning bidder. So
(17:43):
we do that and once we're finished with that, we
start the live auction and John and Tiger will be
up there.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Brian Brian, Brian will be here tomorrow, Brian will be there.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Brian's you'll.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I like it when the bidding kind of slows down
a little, and Brian will go to a person who
had bit two bits ago. You want to go forty,
don't you? Of course you do. Yeah, they go okay.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Well, sometimes it really gets so crazy that Brian will
say thirty five dollars. Eight hands go up. So we
have spotters out there saying which person went and what
and then someone will go forty and that happens again.
Very exciting.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, it is very exciting, and all for a good cause.
So that's the other thing that you know, kind of
goes on and you get to go home with something
that you really can cherish. And and you know, some
of these, like you say, if you're a true garden
enthusiast and a true rose enthusiast, some of these are
going to be you know, only a few of them
in the United States, maybe only a few of them
in the world.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Act well, one is being offered. It's a new rose
being offered for the first time, and it's called Phoebe
a Dell Gates. Ah. Yeah, And I don't know if
we talked about this on the radio. You mentioned it before, yeah,
but for listeners who didn't hear this, Berling Leong, who's
one of the speakers. This afternoon, Joel had got a
(19:06):
call from Paul McCartney and Paul said, I heard you
might have roses available for naming rights, and she said, well,
I have a few, and he goes, well, I'm going
to have my grandson call you. So Paul's grandson called
her and said, I want to buy a rose for
my girlfriend for Christmas and his girl and they named
(19:41):
it Phoebe A Dell Gates and he gave that to
her for Christmas, which is a great idea because if
you're dating Phoebe Gates, who can have every other.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah yeah, and he can say, oh, well they could
go and buy one of those stars. It's like, well
but come on now, let's see you don't even see
that every night you walk into your garden and.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
See other people have that story.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
But yeah, So this rose is a beautiful red climber
and it has occasional stripes going through it, so it's
really pretty.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Do we have it here yet?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Is it here on site?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Did you know if it was blooming it. I don't
know if it's okay.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
We have a very lovely picture of it's brewling here
yet I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, because that might be fun if we can find it,
will bring in and show show some of the listeners
for sure, because I mean, you know, again, like we
said earlier, the beauty of having this event in southern
California is that there are so many bloom cycles that
when you come here, these roses are at yeah, and
(20:49):
it's a you know, great opportunity.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
And they flower in the middle of February. Yeah, I
go out in my garden and I pick flowers.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
And it's a little early. That's only you don't cut
them back.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
You're just you're just bragging now, You're just you're just
making all of our East Coast friends here, and you know,
people in central parts of the state be a little
bit envious of you. There.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
By the way, Tiger, thanks for the nice words from Daisy. Oh,
she says, I love this show. Gave us a little
emoji hart thank you. So she's been listening to the
old shows on iHeartRadio and learning.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
So much good.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
All right, thank you Daisy for the nice words. You know,
I wanted to mention too. We forgot to. Yeah, I
kind of glossed over those. But yeah, we have three speakers, right,
and these are these are icons in the rose world.
You know. It's not just you, I or Tiger going
up there and talking about roses, but our keynote speakers,
(21:51):
Greg Lowry and and then the other two Berlin Leong,
who's uh rose breeders in the world today and a
(22:14):
really nice guy. But he he is producing roses that
are disease resistant. There's a true series of They're called
true something like true bliss, true love, uh those true
integrity and a lot of those roses are at home
depot or Low's.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
So real quick, I want to talk more about peeing
because of of what he does.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Greg Leward, what is he going to speak about? You
didn't mention what he was going to speak about?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
You know why?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Oh you don't know. It's a mistery. It's a mystery.
No matter what, We're going to listen because.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I can quickly tell a little story if Joel doesn't mind. Joel,
Joel's friend Margie, who will be here tomorrow if anybody
wants to meet her. By the way, but Joel's friend Margie,
it lives in Michigan, knows nothing about Roses before she
met you, friend, right, is that a fair statement? Very little? Yeah,
(23:16):
very little. And Joel asked me, I im looking for
a book that I could get for her. So I said,
Sharon and hand drawn art by Greg. It's amazing. And
(23:42):
he goes, well, he says, do you have one? I said,
I have one, but you know there's one available on
Amazon if you want to get it there. And he said, well,
how much are they? And I said seven ninety nine
and he said, well, give me two. And he said,
I said, are you sure. That's a lot of money,
and he goes, that's fifteen dollars. No tomorrow night or
(24:15):
is it tonight? Saturday? The dinner, the dinner we have tonight,
we have a dinner.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
And you can sit right next to these people and
chat with them all night long, and they're fascinating. I
spent the whole day with Greg yesterday. We had a
wonderful time. So that's another thing you could do. And
I mean, these are these are stars in the roadse world.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Well, and you know I wanted to mention about, you know,
Greg and what he was going to talk about But
then I mentioned before that Ping ping lemon, where why
and what he does? I mean, the beauty behind his
path is that, for lack of better terms, he's funded
by a company that's trying to produce a wonderful rose
(24:53):
that they can sell to.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
The plants, and they're working for Jackson and Perkins Roses.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
And they're trying to create roses to sell to the masses.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Okay, so there's a lot of emphasis behind his work,
But the beauty behind that is that he also gets
to have this wonderful opportunity to do things that maybe
none of us will never have a chance to do
because of the numbers he's dealing with. So he can
have this beautiful, beautiful rose in development. And yes it
might not be the exact diseases, it might not bloom
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the perfect cycle, but to us as as a collector,
it is way more enticing, way more intriguing to us
because of whether the flower color, the fragrance, or the
plants itself.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Except for paying it will be diseasious.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Well yeah, act by this, you know, organizations that are
trying to get these maze things. But in just in
the by default, he has these opportunities which is really cool.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
So there's some really cool plants he's behind.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
And I do know Pink's topic. Oh yeah, and his
topic is how far can rose breeding take us?
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Oh so it's.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Like, you know, not only what's going on now, but
what's possible in the future.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Gotcha? Okay, okay, So I'm kind of looking.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I mean, I mean, just in our just in our lifespan,
roses have really turned a couple of corners because meaning
meaning you know, when roses first came out, obviously they
were own route you know, hybridizing and stuff like that.
Then grafting, you know, then the grafting idea took.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Crafting took over early, like in the early twentieth century.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Right, and now we're back to now we're back.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
So so I mean, just in our lifespan, though, the
whole idea of roses have really changed a lot.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
And the reason they were grafted was because of what
you're saying, But to to have somebody go out there
and physic yeah, graft a rose in a field adds
costs to the roads. So now pretty much the roses
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are being bred that are going to grow well on
their own roots, which is good for cold climates too,
right exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
And you know, I mean we talked about you know,
certain roses, different soils and and things like that, pavlar
to be gopher resistant. So so he is. That's his
million dollar idea. What billion billion dollar game?
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Me the idea? You said, why don't you cross it
with a venus fly traip? So when a gopher comes, Yeah,
it just snapshot exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
So so Joel, we're gonna let you get back to
we we knew you're very busy this morning. We're gonna
let you get back to what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
But you know again, come on out. You'll be here
and you know, people can chat with you and you know,
pick your brain. And thanks for joining the show.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, and if you see Greg out there telling him
to come over here, he may not sleepy thing. You
might have gone back to sleep. He had a big
day yesterday. And and uh is he still up north
in Sebastopoli. That's where he's still you and I want
to pick up the roses.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
That's okay, gotcha, gotcha?
Speaker 1 (28:21):
All right, I'm going to try to get this back
on here to check our audio because I.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Have been doing three things at once.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
All right, all right, anyway, yeah, yeah, okay, no problem, yeah, worry.
Hold on, all right, everybody. Well, John's checking out what's
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going on in the auction floor behind us. I will
I bet it smells amazing in there, Veronica. You know
that is the cool thing about kind of coming here
to this event because you know, besides just a wonderful rose,
they fragrance is spectacular because a lot of these have
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been bred specifically for their fragrance, which is which is
always fun because you know, some people talk about, you know,
want to see the flowers. Some people say, you know,
they want to see the fragrance. Some people want to
look at how it grows. And I will say the
other thing too, is like in the auction there really
is a rose for any of everyone, because they've got
climbing roses, they've got miniature roses, they've got the hybrid tees,
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they've got Flora bundos, they got grand to floras so
and then they have all in between there. So there's
a lot of opportunity to find roses. Hey, Greig, good morning,
How are you all right? John just went and picked
out some roses. I heard we woke you up. I'm
so sorry to get you going early this morning. This
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mic is going to be yours right there?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
All right?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Oh, what is this one tiny dynamite?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
That's that's a micro mini rose.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Micro mini huh yeah, you know they're in the day
with the micromachines.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah, it's the micro their miniature roses, you know, it's
the class that they belong to. But they have smaller
leaves and usually smaller flowers than miniatures. That's the term
micro mini.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
All right, so joining us this morning now, I think
we're I think we're totally hiding in behind all those
roses right there, Greg, if you want to move them
off to the side a little bit.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
You can hide me.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, you can hide me, is so Greg Lowry, good morning.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Good morning. You have to hold it up that close
because of our connection. Yeah, don't be afraid. Is that
sounding okay?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yes, definitely yeah? So so so Greg, what is your
role here with the event today?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Let's see, I'm here to babysit John.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Oh yeah, yeah, he does. Need that's not here. Channon
is not here, so well.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Greg's a keynote speaker. And Tiger was asking me earlier
what you were going to be talking about, and all
I could come up with was roses. So I'm not
sure what you finally decided.
Speaker 7 (31:44):
Whatever I talk about, the underlying thing is always about roses,
and it's always going to be something that people find interesting.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
But did you what's the title of your talk?
Speaker 7 (31:56):
It's got a strange title, which I've forgotten because I
just invented a few days ago.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
But okay, but it's basically about it's about my it's
about my reluctant traveling.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
All right, Sorry for the interruption there. That was my
technical difficulties happening over here.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
But the bathroom break, so first.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I interrupted Greg, And you know, it would be really
good to do. We do this on the show sometimes
when we have a problem, we have a long break
and then we go just.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Pick up where you left off.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Greg.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yeah, it's like do you even remember?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah, Tiger always remembers where we were. I never do.
If it was like in the last five minutes, forget it.
I have no idea what we were talking about.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
Well, John was telling saying, trying to show my focus
on in my interest in roses historically being you know,
pre twentieth century or early twentieth century.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Right, that's what I said your focus was, and then
you responded, no, No, you don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 7 (32:53):
Well, I'm not that focused. No, I think you're you're
You're right. Is this period that makes me feel better?
The period of the turn of the century, between the
eighteenth between the eighteen hundreds and the nineteen hundreds, when
I think the most extraordinary rose breeding ever was was
was done and it affected all the roses that we
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grow today.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
The the.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
You know a lot about that period, and that is
an area of expertise, But is it fair to say
those are the roses that you're you're most fond of? Actually, yeah, okay.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
One of the things I'm going to do my talk
this afternoon is talk specifically about that group of roses
and why I think they're so special and so worthy
of being kept.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
And that when we were in Europe, I there were
a lot of those older European breeders that I was
not that familiar with that I'm trying to think of
the guy at one of the I think he was
the head of the botanical garden in Belgium at one
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of those.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
Stagation and paying and observing nature, and that's what they
were doing. They were always people who work with plants
are always observing nature, and they're watching it change, and
they're watching things grow and die, and they they simply
understood ultimately what was going on. And what the people
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did in Maryland did the feast Brothers is they put
pots of roses that were climbing to arch over roses
that were bushy that were below them, because they knew
that the pollen was going to eventually do the trick.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Really, yeah, it wasn't until later they realized, hey, we
can just take the pilon.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, but youative, isn't it to just have hanging over
and then do their thing exactly? I mean, you know,
I mean when you when you only know so much
in the beginning, like you're saying, you feel like it
has to happen this way, like it has to fall
onto it or whatever it is you do whatever you do. Now,
all of a sudden you're like, wait a minute, I
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can step in here, I can I can fiddle around
with this a little bit, and I can do it,
you know, manually so to speak.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I remember Pedro dot I think I remember right else
they made it up. But Greg I used to take
the pollen parent and make a little tepee and a
hole and put it around the rose that he wanted
pollinated and it would kind of hang upside down in there.
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So a little smaller version of what you're described. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,
I don't I don't know why they never thought of
just taking the pollen.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
So I do want to hit on this idea because
you know, Greg, you're going to be doing a speech
uh later on for the program and that are listening,
and you know, people that are interested. This isn't this
is about roses, right, Okay, So that's a key part
of it. But at the same time, it's the idea
of preservation, of all gardening preservation exactly, and not just
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you know, preservation, but just the idea of gardening, you know,
the the getting out there and being with nature, growing plants,
growing flowers. You know, I think if people carry this
idea that you brought in the beginning to the whole
idea of gardening, of this idea that you have this
opportunity to grow a flower that maybe was sitting in
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a vase on Napoleon's dinner table on his desk. Yes,
this is a plant that was actually there at that
moment in time. You know, this was the flower that
they saw, or if this was.
Speaker 7 (36:49):
The fruit, well, this is the rose that Teddy Roosevelt
put in his every day of his presidency.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yes, exactly, that idea.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
If people put that in their heads when it comes
to their they're going to start to grow.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
An eclectic group of plants.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
You know, they're not just going to grow iceberg roses
in Salvia leucanta in La Mandra because they look pretty together.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Don't necessarily set up formal rose gardens. So you probably
do that too. But a lot of people want roses.
It's an integral part of the landscape, exactly.
Speaker 7 (37:23):
And I think I find that people are always trying
to figure.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Roses because they realize petals are going to fall and
they don't want to be cleaning up all summer long,
so clean up once in the spring and that's it.
And maybe it would be a tourist attraction once they're
all blooming.
Speaker 7 (37:39):
And you know, China today is planting on their super highways.
They're planting. They're leaving medians that are extremely broad, like
thirty feet or forty feet across to plant roses in,
and their breeders are breeding roses to go into those
those situations so that they have the right strengths.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah, to the soot, the debris, the high amounts of uh,
you know, exhaust and all of that kind of stuff. Huh,
really really interesting stuff. Thank you very much for joining
us this morning. Greg, thank you good luck on your speech,
and we look forward to hearing what you have to say.
Keep it a secret so that way, you know, people
show up and just don't know what to expect.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
It might be a secret to Greg. I love it
looks at the PowerPoint to realize this is what I'm
talking about.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
That's what John does too. I love it, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Garden America, thanks for joining us this morning. If you're
in the area, cruise down here to Oceanside the elcots
On Senior Center and be a part of this wonderful event.
If you're online, it's a c c RS auction dot com.
Good morning, Garden America. Thanks for being patient and joining
us this morning. We're here from Ocean Side at the
El Corson Senior Center.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
For say that one more time, the l Senior Center.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
You right that? Do you like that?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Isn't it sexy?
Speaker 1 (00:21):
We are here for the California Coastal Rose Society Rare
Rose Auction, Rare Rose Auction.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Combination with the Rose Show from the Pacific Southwest District
of the American Rose Society. And our first guest today
is Ruth Tiffany. Right, who is the director? Is that
what it's called?
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Director?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yes, you need to be like great here, it sounds perfect.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Yeah, director, that's who I am.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Oh wow, that's such a heavy title right there. What
is very important?
Speaker 5 (00:58):
We have about seventeen society in the Pacific Southwest District
going all the way from Las Vegas to Albuquerque.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
And El Paso.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Wow, it's crazy. It's so huge. It's the largest region
in the American Rose Society.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You know when I find that so true with a
lot of Rose societies right when you get to the
East coast, we're California over Texas, you know, they.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Well, there's still the individual local roads societies within that, Okay.
As a matter of fact, next year, No. Twenty seven,
the San Diego Roase Society is celebrating their one hundredth anniversary.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Wow, one hundred years.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, and Ruth is in charge of setting that convention up.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Oh goodness.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
And the neat part about that is it's going to
be in conjunction with the World Federation of Roses. Oh
and they have a show every three years and they're
going to be coming to San Diego.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Now, didn't they do one, like you said, three years
ago or two years ago?
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I think it was now?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
And this year they did one in Japan, That's what
I was gonna say. It was Japan. Right before that
was in Belgium and that was the one that I
went to, Rose of Belgica. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
But if people can see behind us these roses that
are on the table, these are some of the roses
that are for auction, and they have blooms on them.
Normally you have to just look at a picture and
you're kind of hoping it looks like this. But people
come here and they can actually see the rose because it's,
you know, on the plant. When they're bidding on it,
they know what they're getting.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Or if you go into the rose show, which is
right in front, you can see a lot of blooms there,
of course in perfect condition, but give you an idea
for rose that you might want.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Exactly.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
One of the best ways to pick a rose that
you might want is to go into some garden anybody's garden,
usually invited, and look at the roses and that that's
when you hope that people have named them and put
a little tag on it so that you can know
the name of the rose.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Because that's what makes us all want.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Is to see the name of a beautiful rose and say,
I don't have that one exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
By the way, if you show roses Tiger, one rose
that wins a lot of awards is named.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Did you put her on the spot right there? It's
named Ruth Tiff Oh wow, very showy rose.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Huh.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
And it's a bright it's a bright orange color, and
it's it's not in commerce, but there are places you
can find it, I think, Steve, I still think it's
it's available at Wisconsin Roses.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Okay, so is it on Is it up for auction
today or tomorrow or no? We've had it in the
auction but but not this not this year.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Right, Well, there might be one, you never know, sneak.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It in there.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
We might be able to have one about ten days ago. Uh.
And that's close now. But if you come down to
Oceanside tomorrow or today, you can see the rose show
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and you can do silent bidding up until noon tomorrow
and then we stopped the silent bidding and then the
live bidding. I think we have twenty one roses in
the live auction tomorrow. O some really neat roses.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, I mean I was just walking around earlier and
some of these roses out here are just phenomenal. I mean,
besides sometimes the flower, but you know, learning about the
history of it.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I mean, you know, it also has the.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Year that they were created, you know, the hybridizers, all
that information, which is all a reason why to get
a rose.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Right.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
And if you walk out into the parking lot right now,
you can see people taking care of roses in their vehicles.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I saw that.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
It's just like a dog, ghetting them, groomed, placed in
their vases and brought in here to be judged. And
this is also a judging school today, which is a
really very special thing. We have about fifteen people who
want to learn how to be a rose judge, and
that one of the best ways to grow roses is
to know as much as you can about them, and
being a judge gives you a perfect way to learn
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a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
So we have people from Wisconsin here today, that's.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Right, taking the taking the judging class and the tests
so that they can become judges of rose shows all
over the country.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
So so tell us a little bit about the judging.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Most most people think that we're only judging hybrid teas,
which is uh uh and has a perfectly circular form
and a nice pointed.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Center similar to a floristros.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Right, So what people see in bouquets, that's kind of
what they're looking at.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
Kind of like the judging, you know, the king or
the queen. But we also have many many miniature roses
we have. We have shrub roses, we have oak garden roses.
There are some beautiful ocal old garden roses here today
that people are going to be showing. So we have
lots of classes. This rose show has about twenty one classes,
I think, but normal rose shows have anywhere from eighty
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to ninety different classes that you can enter.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
In a show including arrangements.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
And including arrangements and arrangements is another really big part
of showing roses.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
And as you mentioned, these people are preparing these roses
in the parking lot because I mean, did they cut
these roses last night?
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Did they cut them this morning?
Speaker 5 (06:33):
They might have cut them this morning. They might have
cut them last night. If they have a floral fridge,
they might have cut them a couple days ago and
put him in there to just sit there and wait
because they've got cold for a while in a fridge, gotcha.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
So that's that they're kind of obsessive.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
They are.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
And when you and they're all pleasant people like Bogus
right now, you know, very very I.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Know you're afraid of the mic ruth. But John in
Newport Beach says, please hold it closer because oh.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
I'm sorry, sorry John.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah, I'll try to pick it up a little bit. Sorry.
I'm trying to do eight things at once.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
So let me tell you something about the the fun
of doing things like this twenty twenty seven convention here
and at the Bahia in San Diego, and we hope
to get a lot of people coming from Europe and
all over the United States to learn and in a symposium.
(07:37):
I recently was in Sicily and symposiums how to do
with a lot of eating, a lot of drinking, a
lot of learning.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Tiger's going to be there.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Yeah, I'm just buying my ticket in Sicily. Maybe a
little bit of sex.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Oh goodness, gracious, all right, not here, No, not.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Enough planning on that for twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Our friend Carla says she's on her way down from
Huntington Beachy. She's going to meet Lyla from Poway and
they're coming over to the road show.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
All right, come on, girls, drive safe.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, exactly. This is such a wonderful facility. You guys
have done this before.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Here, Yeah, we have.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
The auction has been here a couple of times, and
the Senior Center is very amiable in helping out right, John.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yes, it has a price.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
It always has a price.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It has a price, and you know a lot of
people think that, well, you guys make a lot of
money at your auction or you know, but it all
goes back into paying for the cost of putting putting
the show on, putting the auction on.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
I think we should also talk about the twenty five
years John has been doing this.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, yeah right, well you know what of the auction,
and he'll tell us a little bit about that. All right,
great history there, Joel.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Do that, and thank you Tiger, Thank you John.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
And if you're in this vicinity, come to the auction
and come.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
To the show. Perfect yeah, thank you Ruth.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
You did mention no sex, but you are giving free hugs.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I heard lots and lots of lots of hugs. All right,
perfect problem. All right, thank you very much, Ruth. We'll
see in a bit.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
So we're going to have Joel on next, doctor Joel Ross,
Doctor Joel Ross. And Joel is now taking a seat
next to us. Joel, that's your mic right there, and Joel, welcome.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
To the program.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
Thank you, Tiger and John. I'm very happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Good morning everyone, Good morning, and and Joel, what was
your role again? John did this wonderful title introduction. Uh,
but I've been seeing you running around you. I mean,
you're doing everything here.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
I'm in charge of making sure we have the right people,
the right materials, everyone shows up and they all go
into the right place. I'm computer central, being computer illiterate.
Oh it's a busy job.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Guy. Joel pointed out that to me yesterday that this
is our twenty fifth auction, and he started the auction
and I've only I only started three years later, right.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
That's correct.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
So you're twenty five, he's twenty two. Then, exactly got it.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
So I'll tell you the story of how that happened.
But the way it started was when I joined this
Rose Society. Every time we had to do something, everyone said.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Oh my god, we have no money. What are we
going to do?
Speaker 6 (10:40):
So I invited everyone to bring plants they wanted to
rid themselves of. We put thirteen plants out and in
the five minutes during a coffee break, people.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Silent auction.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
The next year I was joined by another member, and
the third year I wasn't very good at getting these
plants ready, and I had a wonderful plant called canary diamond,
which is very hard to get as a bright yellow,
and I left a dead bloom on it.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
You know, I do this for a living. I think
I could be of helpield Oh my goodness, I love it.
You're appended.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I was in retail at the time, and Joel was
so proud of this rose because I think it had
two petals tell was yellow. But I said, you know,
people are not going to be on something like that.
So I helped him out, and as we went through
the years, it went from from local auction to putting
(11:48):
it online and shipping plants all over the country.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
Yes, So the way that would happen is John would
call me and say, I'm going out to the flower
fields about one hundred and fifty miles away. Do you
want me to take you? And I said, cancel all
my patience, I'm going.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
So you're talking about the San Jose Herita Trose Gardens
where we saved a lot of roses from and other
gardens too, like Wisconsin and gardens in Lakenyata all over.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
So we would drive around and he would tell me
things like, well, you know, I want to put this
on nationally and we'll have somebody do this and that.
And I thought to myself, that'll never happen. After three
years of been telling me that, I said fine. He
already had somebody all lined up and the next day
they were ready to go.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Oh that's so funny. He was behind the scenes working
on it already.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Right by the way, Joel, we are friend Hustam in Pakistan,
welcome shoot to the show.
Speaker 6 (12:39):
Thank you very nice to hear from you.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Thank you, and Carlos has hided Joe Joel as well. So,
you know, one of the things you guys did mention
you know before, was, you know, the the auction funds.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Of these funds go towards different rows sites, different rows.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Growers to help produce more right.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Right, or just saving roses in danger of extinction.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah, So, I mean, you know it's this isn't just
you know, a fundraiser for the society to just have
a party. This is this is preserving roses. And I mean,
if you guys were I'm going to put you on
the spot here, if you guys were to kind of
think back your past twenty five years of doing this,
I mean, how many roses do you think that you
guys have been been impactful with as preserving roses.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
We have we've had in our auction. I can't tell
you the number because some roses we've repeated, you know,
we try to get as many out there in public.
But as far as different roses in the auction, we've
put put out over two thousand varieties, gotcha, twenty.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Five years, gotcha, And some of those were one of
a kind roses.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
So now you've put those back into the market, and
hopefully people have now begun to propagate those and grow them,
and then their number is increased.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
In fact, people write and email John and say, by
the way, we lost.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
This Listen garden in Germany, and we've sent them forty
roses that they had lost, and they've got eighty thousand
roses and about ten thousand varieties. And it's to send
(14:36):
something back to an important garden like that makes me
feel like I've done.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Something definitely, definitely, and I mean, you know, to put
this in kind of a little bit of another perspective too,
is gardens across the world do this with plants because
they don't they know there's a risk of growing one
plant in one area, So why do not send them
to Germany, send them to France, send some of the
United States. Then hopefully between all of these regions, all
(15:00):
these places, somebody will keep it in case there's you
never know what happens, you know, natural disasters or closures,
or you know, all kinds of gophers. They'd have gophers worldwide,
so you know, you got to watch out for those.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
The World Federation proposed the three three thirty rule and
The way that rule generally goes is if the roses
in three botanical gardens being grown by three commercial growers
or in thirty private gardens, it's in danger of extinction.
(15:34):
So we try to have a lot of those. But
we try to have something for everybody because you know
a lot of people like to just exhibit roses, they
don't care about preserving them. Well, we like those people too, Yeah,
so we have we have modern roses, we have exhibition
type roses. Ruth was telling us about all the different
classes so that you can exhibit in and in some
roses by certain breeders are hard to find, they go
(15:58):
out of commerce. And and you have orange juice in
your yard. Yeah, exactly. I can't tell you how many
people have wanted that, and we've put it in the auction.
I think there's another one this year, maybe not, but we've.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Sold exactly exactly. Will do definitely.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
So, Joel, what is in line for today? If people
are in the area, they want to come to Oceanside Again,
we're at the al kodas On Senior Center here in Oceanside.
What are what are some things that people can expect today.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
We're having a wonderful Rose Show and it's an American
Rose Society road show. There's no charge. They'll be on
display later today in the afternoon, and all day tomorrow.
We're having a silent auction. The flowers are up on
the tables. There's bid sheets. You can walk around and
you can take your time and you can bid by
(16:58):
upping it by a dollar.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
That's up until noon tomorrow. That's when it closed.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
Closes at noon, and people get a little more wild
when they're starting to close. If they want something.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
They start.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
The bid sheet yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, or their bid really slowly.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I saw some of the ladies already have their helmets
on shoulder pads.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I was like, it's tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
Around you get jostled in there. So that's noon, and
then we'll have people go out and get themselves lunch
across the street. There's ten wonderful restaurants out there. At
one thirty, we will and the reason we do that
is we're taking the cans of flowers off of the
table and we're putting them by bitter winning bidder. So
(17:43):
we do that and once we're finished with that, we
start the live auction and John and Tiger will be
up there.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Brian Brian, Brian will be here tomorrow, Brian will be there.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Brian's you'll.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I like it when the bidding kind of slows down
a little, and Brian will go to a person who
had bit two bits ago. You want to go forty,
don't you? Of course you do. Yeah, they go okay.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Well, sometimes it really gets so crazy that Brian will
say thirty five dollars. Eight hands go up. So we
have spotters out there saying which person went and what
and then someone will go forty and that happens again.
Very exciting.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, it is very exciting, and all for a good cause.
So that's the other thing that you know, kind of
goes on and you get to go home with something
that you really can cherish. And and you know, some
of these, like you say, if you're a true garden
enthusiast and a true rose enthusiast, some of these are
going to be you know, only a few of them
in the United States, maybe only a few of them
in the world.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Act well, one is being offered. It's a new rose
being offered for the first time, and it's called Phoebe
a Dell Gates. Ah. Yeah, And I don't know if
we talked about this on the radio. You mentioned it before, yeah,
but for listeners who didn't hear this, Berling Leong, who's
one of the speakers. This afternoon, Joel had got a
(19:06):
call from Paul McCartney and Paul said, I heard you
might have roses available for naming rights, and she said, well,
I have a few, and he goes, well, I'm going
to have my grandson call you. So Paul's grandson called
her and said, I want to buy a rose for
my girlfriend for Christmas and his girl and they named
(19:41):
it Phoebe A Dell Gates and he gave that to
her for Christmas, which is a great idea because if
you're dating Phoebe Gates, who can have every other.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah yeah, and he can say, oh, well they could
go and buy one of those stars. It's like, well
but come on now, let's see you don't even see
that every night you walk into your garden and.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
See other people have that story.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
But yeah, So this rose is a beautiful red climber
and it has occasional stripes going through it, so it's
really pretty.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Do we have it here yet?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Is it here on site?
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Did you know if it was blooming it. I don't
know if it's okay.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
We have a very lovely picture of it's brewling here
yet I don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, because that might be fun if we can find it,
will bring in and show show some of the listeners
for sure, because I mean, you know, again, like we
said earlier, the beauty of having this event in southern
California is that there are so many bloom cycles that
when you come here, these roses are at yeah, and
(20:49):
it's a you know, great opportunity.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
And they flower in the middle of February. Yeah, I
go out in my garden and I pick flowers.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
And it's a little early. That's only you don't cut
them back.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
You're just you're just bragging now, You're just you're just
making all of our East Coast friends here, and you know,
people in central parts of the state be a little
bit envious of you. There.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
By the way, Tiger, thanks for the nice words from Daisy. Oh,
she says, I love this show. Gave us a little
emoji hart thank you. So she's been listening to the
old shows on iHeartRadio and learning.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
So much good.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
All right, thank you Daisy for the nice words. You know,
I wanted to mention too. We forgot to. Yeah, I
kind of glossed over those. But yeah, we have three speakers, right,
and these are these are icons in the rose world.
You know. It's not just you, I or Tiger going
up there and talking about roses, but our keynote speakers,
(21:51):
Greg Lowry and and then the other two Berlin Leong,
who's uh rose breeders in the world today and a
(22:14):
really nice guy. But he he is producing roses that
are disease resistant. There's a true series of They're called
true something like true bliss, true love, uh those true
integrity and a lot of those roses are at home
depot or Low's.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
So real quick, I want to talk more about peeing
because of of what he does.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Greg Leward, what is he going to speak about? You
didn't mention what he was going to speak about?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
You know why?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Oh you don't know. It's a mistery. It's a mystery.
No matter what, We're going to listen because.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
I can quickly tell a little story if Joel doesn't mind. Joel,
Joel's friend Margie, who will be here tomorrow if anybody
wants to meet her. By the way, but Joel's friend Margie,
it lives in Michigan, knows nothing about Roses before she
met you, friend, right, is that a fair statement? Very little? Yeah,
(23:16):
very little. And Joel asked me, I im looking for
a book that I could get for her. So I said,
Sharon and hand drawn art by Greg. It's amazing. And
(23:42):
he goes, well, he says, do you have one? I said,
I have one, but you know there's one available on
Amazon if you want to get it there. And he said, well,
how much are they? And I said seven ninety nine
and he said, well, give me two. And he said,
I said, are you sure. That's a lot of money,
and he goes, that's fifteen dollars. No tomorrow night or
(24:15):
is it tonight? Saturday? The dinner, the dinner we have tonight,
we have a dinner.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
And you can sit right next to these people and
chat with them all night long, and they're fascinating. I
spent the whole day with Greg yesterday. We had a
wonderful time. So that's another thing you could do. And
I mean, these are these are stars in the roadse world.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Well, and you know I wanted to mention about, you know,
Greg and what he was going to talk about But
then I mentioned before that Ping ping lemon, where why
and what he does? I mean, the beauty behind his
path is that, for lack of better terms, he's funded
by a company that's trying to produce a wonderful rose
(24:53):
that they can sell to.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
The plants, and they're working for Jackson and Perkins Roses.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
And they're trying to create roses to sell to the masses.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Okay, so there's a lot of emphasis behind his work,
But the beauty behind that is that he also gets
to have this wonderful opportunity to do things that maybe
none of us will never have a chance to do
because of the numbers he's dealing with. So he can
have this beautiful, beautiful rose in development. And yes it
might not be the exact diseases, it might not bloom
(25:26):
the perfect cycle, but to us as as a collector,
it is way more enticing, way more intriguing to us
because of whether the flower color, the fragrance, or the
plants itself.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Except for paying it will be diseasious.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Well yeah, act by this, you know, organizations that are
trying to get these maze things. But in just in
the by default, he has these opportunities which is really cool.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
So there's some really cool plants he's behind.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
And I do know Pink's topic. Oh yeah, and his
topic is how far can rose breeding take us?
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Oh so it's.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Like, you know, not only what's going on now, but
what's possible in the future.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Gotcha? Okay, okay, So I'm kind of looking.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I mean, I mean, just in our just in our lifespan,
roses have really turned a couple of corners because meaning
meaning you know, when roses first came out, obviously they
were own route you know, hybridizing and stuff like that.
Then grafting, you know, then the grafting idea took.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Crafting took over early, like in the early twentieth century.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Right, and now we're back to now we're back.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
So so I mean, just in our lifespan, though, the
whole idea of roses have really changed a lot.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
And the reason they were grafted was because of what
you're saying, But to to have somebody go out there
and physic yeah, graft a rose in a field adds
costs to the roads. So now pretty much the roses
(27:06):
are being bred that are going to grow well on
their own roots, which is good for cold climates too,
right exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
And you know, I mean we talked about you know,
certain roses, different soils and and things like that, pavlar
to be gopher resistant. So so he is. That's his
million dollar idea. What billion billion dollar game?
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Me the idea? You said, why don't you cross it
with a venus fly traip? So when a gopher comes, Yeah,
it just snapshot exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
So so Joel, we're gonna let you get back to
we we knew you're very busy this morning. We're gonna
let you get back to what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
But you know again, come on out. You'll be here
and you know, people can chat with you and you know,
pick your brain. And thanks for joining the show.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, and if you see Greg out there telling him
to come over here, he may not sleepy thing. You
might have gone back to sleep. He had a big
day yesterday. And and uh is he still up north
in Sebastopoli. That's where he's still you and I want
to pick up the roses.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
That's okay, gotcha, gotcha?
Speaker 1 (28:21):
All right, I'm going to try to get this back
on here to check our audio because I.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Have been doing three things at once.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
All right, all right, anyway, yeah, yeah, okay, no problem, yeah, worry.
Hold on, all right, everybody. Well, John's checking out what's
(29:07):
going on in the auction floor behind us. I will
I bet it smells amazing in there, Veronica. You know
that is the cool thing about kind of coming here
to this event because you know, besides just a wonderful rose,
they fragrance is spectacular because a lot of these have
(29:30):
been bred specifically for their fragrance, which is which is
always fun because you know, some people talk about, you know,
want to see the flowers. Some people say, you know,
they want to see the fragrance. Some people want to
look at how it grows. And I will say the
other thing too, is like in the auction there really
is a rose for any of everyone, because they've got
climbing roses, they've got miniature roses, they've got the hybrid tees,
(29:53):
they've got Flora bundos, they got grand to floras so
and then they have all in between there. So there's
a lot of opportunity to find roses. Hey, Greig, good morning,
How are you all right? John just went and picked
out some roses. I heard we woke you up. I'm
so sorry to get you going early this morning. This
(30:13):
mic is going to be yours right there?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
All right?
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Oh, what is this one tiny dynamite?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
That's that's a micro mini rose.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Micro mini huh yeah, you know they're in the day
with the micromachines.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah, it's the micro their miniature roses, you know, it's
the class that they belong to. But they have smaller
leaves and usually smaller flowers than miniatures. That's the term
micro mini.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
All right, so joining us this morning now, I think
we're I think we're totally hiding in behind all those
roses right there, Greg, if you want to move them
off to the side a little bit.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
You can hide me.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, you can hide me, is so Greg Lowry, good morning.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Good morning. You have to hold it up that close
because of our connection. Yeah, don't be afraid. Is that
sounding okay?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yes, definitely yeah? So so so Greg, what is your
role here with the event today?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Let's see, I'm here to babysit John.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Oh yeah, yeah, he does. Need that's not here. Channon
is not here, so well.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Greg's a keynote speaker. And Tiger was asking me earlier
what you were going to be talking about, and all
I could come up with was roses. So I'm not
sure what you finally decided.
Speaker 7 (31:44):
Whatever I talk about, the underlying thing is always about roses,
and it's always going to be something that people find interesting.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
But did you what's the title of your talk?
Speaker 7 (31:56):
It's got a strange title, which I've forgotten because I
just invented a few days ago.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
But okay, but it's basically about it's about my it's
about my reluctant traveling.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
All right, Sorry for the interruption there. That was my
technical difficulties happening over here.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
But the bathroom break, so first.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I interrupted Greg, And you know, it would be really
good to do. We do this on the show sometimes
when we have a problem, we have a long break
and then we go just.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Pick up where you left off.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Greg.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yeah, it's like do you even remember?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah, Tiger always remembers where we were. I never do.
If it was like in the last five minutes, forget it.
I have no idea what we were talking about.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
Well, John was telling saying, trying to show my focus
on in my interest in roses historically being you know,
pre twentieth century or early twentieth century.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Right, that's what I said your focus was, and then
you responded, no, No, you don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 7 (32:53):
Well, I'm not that focused. No, I think you're you're
You're right. Is this period that makes me feel better?
The period of the turn of the century, between the
eighteenth between the eighteen hundreds and the nineteen hundreds, when
I think the most extraordinary rose breeding ever was was
was done and it affected all the roses that we
(33:15):
grow today.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
The the.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
You know a lot about that period, and that is
an area of expertise, But is it fair to say
those are the roses that you're you're most fond of? Actually, yeah, okay.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
One of the things I'm going to do my talk
this afternoon is talk specifically about that group of roses
and why I think they're so special and so worthy
of being kept.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
And that when we were in Europe, I there were
a lot of those older European breeders that I was
not that familiar with that I'm trying to think of
the guy at one of the I think he was
the head of the botanical garden in Belgium at one
(34:10):
of those.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
Stagation and paying and observing nature, and that's what they
were doing. They were always people who work with plants
are always observing nature, and they're watching it change, and
they're watching things grow and die, and they they simply
understood ultimately what was going on. And what the people
(34:35):
did in Maryland did the feast Brothers is they put
pots of roses that were climbing to arch over roses
that were bushy that were below them, because they knew
that the pollen was going to eventually do the trick.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Really, yeah, it wasn't until later they realized, hey, we
can just take the pilon.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, but youative, isn't it to just have hanging over
and then do their thing exactly? I mean, you know,
I mean when you when you only know so much
in the beginning, like you're saying, you feel like it
has to happen this way, like it has to fall
onto it or whatever it is you do whatever you do. Now,
all of a sudden you're like, wait a minute, I
(35:14):
can step in here, I can I can fiddle around
with this a little bit, and I can do it,
you know, manually so to speak.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I remember Pedro dot I think I remember right else
they made it up. But Greg I used to take
the pollen parent and make a little tepee and a
hole and put it around the rose that he wanted
pollinated and it would kind of hang upside down in there.
(35:42):
So a little smaller version of what you're described. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,
I don't I don't know why they never thought of
just taking the pollen.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
So I do want to hit on this idea because
you know, Greg, you're going to be doing a speech
uh later on for the program and that are listening,
and you know, people that are interested. This isn't this
is about roses, right, Okay, So that's a key part
of it. But at the same time, it's the idea
of preservation, of all gardening preservation exactly, and not just
(36:14):
you know, preservation, but just the idea of gardening, you know,
the the getting out there and being with nature, growing plants,
growing flowers. You know, I think if people carry this
idea that you brought in the beginning to the whole
idea of gardening, of this idea that you have this
opportunity to grow a flower that maybe was sitting in
(36:37):
a vase on Napoleon's dinner table on his desk. Yes,
this is a plant that was actually there at that
moment in time. You know, this was the flower that
they saw, or if this was.
Speaker 7 (36:49):
The fruit, well, this is the rose that Teddy Roosevelt
put in his every day of his presidency.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Yes, exactly, that idea.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
If people put that in their heads when it comes
to their they're going to start to grow.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
An eclectic group of plants.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
You know, they're not just going to grow iceberg roses
in Salvia leucanta in La Mandra because they look pretty together.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Don't necessarily set up formal rose gardens. So you probably
do that too. But a lot of people want roses.
It's an integral part of the landscape, exactly.
Speaker 7 (37:23):
And I think I find that people are always trying
to figure.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Roses because they realize petals are going to fall and
they don't want to be cleaning up all summer long,
so clean up once in the spring and that's it.
And maybe it would be a tourist attraction once they're
all blooming.
Speaker 7 (37:39):
And you know, China today is planting on their super highways.
They're planting. They're leaving medians that are extremely broad, like
thirty feet or forty feet across to plant roses in,
and their breeders are breeding roses to go into those
those situations so that they have the right strengths.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah, to the soot, the debris, the high amounts of uh,
you know, exhaust and all of that kind of stuff. Huh,
really really interesting stuff. Thank you very much for joining
us this morning. Greg, thank you good luck on your speech,
and we look forward to hearing what you have to say.
Keep it a secret so that way, you know, people
show up and just don't know what to expect.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
It might be a secret to Greg. I love it
looks at the PowerPoint to realize this is what I'm
talking about.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
That's what John does too. I love it, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Garden America, thanks for joining us this morning. If you're
in the area, cruise down here to Oceanside the elcots
On Senior Center and be a part of this wonderful event.
If you're online, it's a c c RS auction dot com.
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