Mid-August Gardening Harvests, Surprises, and Fresh Tips - Garden America Podcasts & Radio Show [8.16.25] - Garden America - Gardening Podcast & Talk Radio Show

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back, my friends. We are back in studio. It's
Garden America. Brian Maine, John Begnasco, Tiger Pelafox. Good to
be back in familiar surroundings here as we went from
the outdoors to the indoors, and we're hoping things are
going to go just peachy keen today Tiger Palafox Again.
I'm Brian Maine, John Begnasco, John, good to see you here.
You're up and ready to go. In fact, John was

(00:22):
the first one here today and when I arrived, he
was in the parking lot. Oh really yeah already. And
then he says he got here last night. He camped
out there there.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
He was so excited, so excited to be back here.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
I was here at six.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Six forty five. Yeah, I pulled in about a quarters,
not ten to seven.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Hey are San Jose. Friend Tanya said that she's back
in the USA. She was in Amsterdam and Norway.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Oh remembery was she the one that asked about please
have a visit?

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Well, she had a fam maybe I don't know, but
she had a family reunion in Norway.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
And she told us before she left, because didn't she
ask us we were doing the broadcast at the nursery.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
She asked about play is to go in Amsterdam.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Or something exactly. Yeah, yeah, but that wasn't a very
nice part of I don't know if you guys noticed
in the newsletter that she sent a picture of her
Plumeria blooming.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yes, I did see that, and that was the plume
aria that she got the cutting across the.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Nice It's crazy how sometimes plumerias will bloom so early
and then some just won't bloom.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Oh you know what I mean about them, don't. You
can't really rely on anything. They're very fickle, because you're right,
because I had mine didn't bloom until gosh, maybe a
month or so ago. It's just like, come on, you're
gonna do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
You get envy because then there's all these people posting
these plumeria flower blooms.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
You know, yes, I really just end these leaves just
having them grow. You know, it would be nice to
have leaves, you know, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I was up at calif California Rare Fruit Grower California
Rare Fruit Growers. No, it was an association. It was something.
It was like a nursery and they're up in near

(02:16):
Fallbrook area. Like I can't remember exactly where it was.
But they had a ton of plumerias at this at
this nursery too, and they were growing great. They were
out there in kind of the Northeast County as well,
not just they.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Were you're talking about is it Jack's jungle, No, No,
not jungle Jacks, Jack, No, this was California rare fruit
groer or growers.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
I think that's what That's what I anyway.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yeah, so yeah, I was picking up some trees for
a customer, and you know, they were growing great out there.
It was nice.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
There were some things that we we need to talk about.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Today, you need to clean up or just talking about.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
One was it was last week. I think we were
talking about mulches, right, yes, and you were talking about
how you like gorilla hair. Correct, And we you know,
sometimes when we start talking, you don't think of the

(03:17):
scope of the whole subject because we have limited time, right,
and plus we have short attention spans.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
It's like during one part of the conversation. Yeah, but
what we've.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Neglected to do, Tiger, was to let people know about
if you're in a fire prone area, to check with
your local guidelines, like CalFire has restrictions and you're not
even allowed to use gorilla hair in Fallbrook, right, and
that one of their restrictions is no mulch or plants

(03:49):
within five feet of the house. Well you could have plants,
I guess, but no mult within five feet of the house.
No mulch that can burn. No, yeah, yeah, so you
could have rock or cement or something.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
I don't know if they call that mulch.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
No, no, but you know, if you have a walkway
around the yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
You know.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
And then there's different zones like after thirty feet you
can do whatever you want, right, and then.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
There's scu zembers can't jump.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Well well no. But the thing is is like, have
you ever seen like a grass fire Brian, where it's
moving across the field and it's just it's just burning
as it goes small amounts of grass and it just
travels across the field. And that's what will happen with
mulch is it'll light light on fire and then it'll
just kind of smolder all the way. And the reason

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why firefighters don't like it is because it's that smoldering.
If it's up next to the house, they can't really
put it out real well, even when they douse it
with water, it stays, so they kind of scrape it
away from a house because obviously they don't want your
house to catch fire. And you know, so it's a
very good point. It's a very good point for you know,
if you're in a fire prone area, mulches.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
You know, I just didn't want somebody's house to burn
down because they put gorilla hair all the way up.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, that's not sure, that is true. Yeah, And you know,
and it's a tough thing because you know, mulches do
do a lot of good for areas, even in fire areas,
like in the sense of keeping.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
They hold moisture in the soil so it's not going
to be as dry.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Is dry, and you know, and like we said it
could you know, actually, you know, keep the plants healthier
and full of water so they don't catch as catch
fire as much. So it's a it's a balancing, it's
a balancing, you know. But I will say mulches are
suggested to be applied, you know, every year. You know,

(05:43):
these are not just a one and done item. So
if it's something that you're like, oh, I apply it
in the middle of winter, by the summer, maybe it's
if you do a light coat of it, it's it's
kind of gone already. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
The other thing we need to discuss is I think
a new topic for us. It's the vippery oh yeah,
or vivipary. Robert and one of our listeners in Shasta County,
East Shasta County. Actually I think he lives in Cottonwood,
if I'm not mistaken, But he sent this picture golf course,

(06:20):
no California. Okay, all right, but did you see the
picture Brian of the tomato that he had.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. We looked at that last week before
you put it in the newsletter because you have received it.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, I saw it, Yeah, I saw it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Anyway, his tomato has seeds that have germinated inside the
tomato and plants are growing out of it.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
What do you call that?

Speaker 3 (06:46):
You call it the vippery?

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Do you call it? Or do you call it?

Speaker 1 (06:54):
I call it?

Speaker 3 (06:57):
There's uh. Some people say vibe pory, which at the
current moment it's easier for me to say. But it's seeds.
Seeds are plants starting on the main part of a plant. Yeah,

(07:18):
And it's true with a gobbies a lot of times
you'll see plantlets on the plant, right right, So.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, no, but but I if, I mean, if you
want to go into deeper. I loved the article that
you wrote on it because it explained it. But I mean,
the people need to understand that normally there's what is
it called, what is it hormones or what was it?
You're saying that normally the tomato has this product in
there which suppresses the seed from growing.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
It's lacking that and yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
And it's lacking that. And you said people can actually
cause that to happen by storing it in area. So
what was it that?

Speaker 3 (07:56):
It's like there natural hormones that covered normal seedsmones so
that cover the seed that say, do not start to
sprout while growing in the fruit itself.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
And this is this is for everything, because this happens
to cantalopetto.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
How about potatoes.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
No potatoes have eyes, they're a tuber.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
They're not part of the scillin that potatoes aren't the
same family they are. Yeah, but it couldn't it could
not happen to a tomato. I mean, I'm sorry, potato.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Well, potatoes naturally grow the plants on the outside of
the tiger.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
They can see what they're doing where right, tomatoes can't right?

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, but no, but this can happen to a lot
of variety of different things. This happens to oranges sometimes.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Right, So the fruit has to be stressed out a
little bit so stressed right.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, but you said something in the article in terms
of storing it too.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah, if it's you start in a cool, moist conditions.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
It'll naturally break down that hormone.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Or if it's so overly ripe, the same thing.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
And if I was if I owned a a company
that sells potatoes and I was in charge of marketing,
you know, but you know, if my selling point would
be the eyes have it.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
You don't get it, do you?

Speaker 3 (09:12):
I did get it.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
The eyes have it.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
It's something to work.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
No, No, that's it. There's no working that's it. It
doesn't eat any any polishing up at all. That's it.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
There's no marketing campaign. You're gonna leave right now.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
That's it. The eyes have it, all right? You know
what you want to squeeze in? That it is Yet
I'm not even really a quote. It's more of a
blip on the radar screen.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
There was quotes from loud Sue. It was a Chinese philosopher.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
That one name or is that two names?

Speaker 2 (09:40):
I thought I thought it was loud Sue, like like, oh,
she was a singer or something.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Loud Loud Sue. And when did laud Su live Lao Sue,
Lao Sue Lao Su. Yeah, Lou Sue is t s U.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Anyways, a Chinese philosopher. And he said that nature does
not hurry. Yeah, everything is accomplished.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
So true, Yeah, so true.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
You have to think about those Chinese philosophers.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
All right, we're going to take a break. Our final
segment is almost in the history books. This segment here.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Wow, that's not our final No.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
No, no, this prior segment. Yeah, the last segment, this
one here.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
When we come back, we have a tip from one
of our listeners in grape Fine, Texas.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Nice nice tease. John. Hey, thank you to those tuned
in on biz Talk Radio. We're gonna in fact, this
break is for you, our many fine sponsors. Thank you
to Fertilane keeping us on the air. Brian Main, John
Begnascar taking Pella Fox back in studio. This is Guard
in America and just like that, Well, if you're tuned
in on Facebook Live, a little quicker a bit longer
break on biz Talk Radio. We thank you for tuning in,

(10:50):
Thank you for your support, your sponsorships, fert alone and
everybody else who pays the bills for us, John when
we take these breaks on a national level. Now, you
did a great tease before the break.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, do you want to go right into that or I.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Want to do whatever you want to do.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Well, let's we're all here for you. Let's do that
right after you explained to this is your day to
John from Newport Beach, why we're back here in studio.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
We're back in studio because during the last couple of
two or three weeks, Tiger's been experimenting with various technological
ways to present the show. We ran into some Wi
Fi problems, We ran into some situations that that only
only Tiger myself and you understand. So after being out
for me and that Mona Roll, what are you doing here?

(11:33):
Mona Roll?

Speaker 3 (11:34):
What do I normally say? My answer always is did
you put in new batteries?

Speaker 1 (11:38):
So you brought up were so what we're doing. We're
back in studio with a new way to hook up
based upon the experiences and the and the experimentations we
did outdoors.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah, very true. And so you're going well for everybody else?

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah, I hope so true.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
What you're saying is that our other hookup apps weren't satisfied.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
You know what, remember this, when you update one, you know,
one little device, you better update all of the devices.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Talking about that's good apps.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Anyway, back to Robert in Grapevine, Texas. He sent us
a picture and of a dwarf papaia. Oh really yeah,
and it was growing through the roof of his greenhouse.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Oh my goodness, I saw that.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yeah, and but did you see all the papaia on that?

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (12:28):
So he was growing it in a pot. And the
variety of papaya is called t R hovey h o
v e y. And the nice thing about it is
that you can grow that anywhere in a container and
it'll fruit like that in the container. So I was thinking,
like you, Brian on your patio, grow papaya. Yeah, they're

(12:49):
supposed to get like I think he said, supposed to
get four to eight feet, and his was I would
say easily over eight.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
I've never tried to grow papaya.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Do you like papaya?

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yes, you do. Yeah, And it's not something that I think.
It's not one of those fruits that people eat all
the time. It's not up there with oranges.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
One of the best things for you, isn't it for
digestion and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (13:15):
Anyway, that t R Hovey. I looked at that picture,
and do you do the same thing, Tiger when you
see something go I might need.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
That, yes, oh definitely.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Oh yeah, yeah. So we have some new you said,
new viewers, new listeners. Yes week we.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Had oh my gosh, and I'm forgetting your name.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Well, you're talking about the person from Elberton, Alberta, Alberta, right, Brian, Brian,
let me know that I should not have put in
me Brian, you, Brian, let me.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Know I should not have put in Edmonton, Canada.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. Right, it's a province.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
It'd be like San Diego, California, United States. Right, right, right?

Speaker 1 (14:04):
But anyway, so we have some new people checking in.
You got yeah, yeah, Jersey.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
She sent us a picture of some Nastursiams. Do you
know that Edmonton, Canada, Edmonton, Alberta, Brian has the largest
shopping center in the United in North America.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
It's an indoor shopping center, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, Yes, bigger than the Mall of America.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
It has an amusement park. Yeah, it's like another it's
bigger than the mall.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
It's like another city, like you're in a city within
a city day. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
By the way, the Mexican government wants to call it
the Mall of Mexico instead of the All of America,
but let the politicians decide that.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, a lot of important things to.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Kind of pointed out Brian that she liked our nursery
set up. Yeah, this makes a lot more sense with
fall and winter coming on.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
No, we're gonna we're gonna try some different changes because
we can do visit the nursery too.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah, so we're.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Helps to be able to kind of expand our abilities
when it comes to this.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
And you know what, there's growing pains.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Flexibility is what we're looking forward to, right, Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
As we get older, flexibility is important.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
But again with that comes growing pains and certain things
that maybe not work exactly the way you want them,
but then you rebound and come back the week after.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
But it's like gardening, right, that's that's right. You know,
you plant something and it doesn't work out.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
So what's your what's you're what you're getting at is
at the end of the year, if someone's going to say, John,
how many shows did you kill this year?

Speaker 3 (15:38):
The speaking of gardening, uh, I'm getting a great crop
of zucchini?

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (15:46):
And I like the are you?

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Do you want some?

Speaker 3 (15:50):
I asked Shannon last night should I bring Brian a zucchini?
And she said, I think I'm going to cut it
up and freeze it.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
That's fine. You know, you just reminded me she could
be selfish. I never brought I never brought you your
egg carton back. That was like a month of well
here's what I did when I was cracking eggs, without
even thinking, I cracked the right back in the cart and.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
You know, I was up the cart. I'm not saying
who in my house also does that? But that really
upsets me.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
I know.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
It's like coming clean, yeah, tossing the trash can.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah. And it's a lot easier to recycle that if
you're not going to save the car. I had to
know you can recycle.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
I've been carrying this burden for the past month or so.
Well clean my chest, and I knew it the first
two and I went, uh so.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
So John, regarding you as zucchini though, right, because this
was kind of a not an experiment, but this was
all very late really like right, yeah, and you're getting
good production on everything. Yeah, is this going to force
you to be a late gardener, because like sometimes when
you start early, you deal with more problems.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Right, Well, you know what you miss out on seasons? Right?
I didn't. The reason I did did not start early
was I didn't have anywhere to plant, right, And then
you made somewhere for me to plant exactly, so had
I been We planted lettice, which really was too late,
and I put in a heat tolerant lettice, but to

(17:22):
me it seemed a little bitter. Gotcha, so wait for
the cool weather. But other things.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Tomato looked great. Tomato looked excellent.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Tomatoes are doing really well.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yeah, and normally you would have started those a couple
months months earlier.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yeah. I don't know about three, but at least two.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
But what are we in August July?

Speaker 3 (17:44):
June?

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I planned planted them in May.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Isn't that when I did plan them?

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (17:49):
I thought you planted them in June June? Might have Okay,
So what.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
About how how hot? How hot? I can take two
right or three? How hot has it been in Fallbrook?
Because we've had u really mild temperatures the last couple of.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Days, we've had pretty mild temperatures. Tiger pointed out that
there's some ninety degree days coming up towards the end
of this coming week.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Just when it just seems like we're gonna get through
August September.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
I mean, it's it's natural. This is this is not bad.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
But I'm I got bets going. You know, you can
anything on the weather.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
This is perfect, But what do you what are you
betting that.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
It's I'm betting that that they through the entire end
of August it's going to continue to be mild.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Well, but what's what is mild in the sense of
eighty mid to uper eting. Okay, John normally is hitting
triple digits right now, right.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Now, I rarely ever hit triple digits.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
No not.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
You come back and you say it was one O,
one one, my pleasure.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yeah, but there's less than six of those days the
whole year.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
So you're in the nineties, so you're in the you're
in the nineties.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
You're in the nineties, normally.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
No, normally in the eighties.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Okay, yeah, it's not bad.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
What are you complaining for?

Speaker 3 (19:09):
This is for Tiger. This is the best time of
year for you.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Right oh yeah, okay, break time, you have to take
a break. Yeah, we got to pay some more bills.
We have our sponsors to think about. On biz Talk Radio,
we thank you for tuning in on Facebook Live again.
Here we go. Brian Main, John Bagnasco Tiger Palafox back
with more guardening information. All. We caught up with a
lot of questions and comments. Do we need to deal there?

Speaker 3 (19:29):
We've got a question for Tiger because we were well,
actually it's for me, but Tiger and I were just
discussing this.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
We'll do that after the break, talk about it after
these messages on BIS Talk Radio. That break is over.
It's back to business now, seriousness gardening, horticulture, landscaping, and
we got to answer some questions, comments and delve back
into the show.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Yeah, Paula and Fallbrook. Tiger is asking if I laid
screen under the vegetable area for gopher protection, and we
did not. But you and I were just discussing that
last week, right Yeah, And you were talking about how
sometimes I guess when you put in a line, you'll
put what do you put under there?

Speaker 2 (20:09):
It's so it's not chicken wire. A lot of times
what they'll kind of sell it as is like a
construction mesh. It's and it's it's a wire mesh that
has square not hexagon is what chicken wire.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Hexagon is a mesh really small.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Usually it is pretty small. You can fb in different sizes,
but for gophers. See, the thing with gophers is anything smaller,
anything bigger than like a three quarter of an inch
size is too big because gophers can kind of get
through there, So you kind of have to have it
smaller than that. That's why they say you can't even
use chicken wire for for gophers.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Too big protection.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, exactly. So it's like a construction screen or construction mesh. Yeah.
But but yeah, so people use it in their lungs
to prevent the gophers from getting in to their lawns
and creating damage and stuff.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
So that's what you're gonna do with John's house.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
No, because really, because the thing with John's beds is
John's beds lawn.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
I'm talking about the lawn, oh that you're gonna put
in we.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
We talked about it. And the thing that I don't
like about that is once it's there, it's it's there,
Like it is not easy to pull up, it is
not easy to dig through. It ends up breaking down eventually,
and then you have metal like you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Like, what are you gonna do about the gophers that
start to.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Well, that's John's job, He's got his he's got a system.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
But you're gonna wait until you see that first.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Gopher and had a gopher hole in three months? Now, Yeah,
you know I I got up to I think it
was eighty four gophers.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
So what do you think that's the end of gophers
at your place?

Speaker 3 (21:48):
No? But you know, now, whenever you see tunnel action,
you can just go through and.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Right, but you're you're not gonna see the damage until
they pop up on the lawn and there's a big
mound there.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
See. But if anybody is listening that has used the
any kind of mesh material for protective recovers and they've
laid it in an entire lawn or bed, I would
love to hear a report back after five ten years
and see if they regretted it, see if they appreciated it.
See what their thoughts.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Okay, so what are your what are your concerns about that?

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Well, my biggest concern is, you know, you you know,
if you want to dig in that area again.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
So say so you want to planet a tree.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yes, say you want to plant a tree in your lawn.
Now you have this wire mesh that you dig through,
and it's it's not going to be terribly hard, but
you've now kind of penetrated the force field, so to speak,
and you're just providing access for it. And and also
it's just metal in there, and like when you're digging,

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it's going to be sharp and point e.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
So you're you're what you're what you're saying is if
you change your mind you want to want to upgrade
or do something like planning a tree, there's a problem.
But if you don't plan on doing it, it's gonna
be grassed for us.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
But who doesn't want to change their mind?

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Well, yeah, no, exactly I know is five.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Ten years from now. I mean it's kind of like
my thoughts on the weed fabric too. People say, oh,
I want weed fabric below my rock or below my
molt or below the DG to protect from weeds. And
I say no, because like it's just gonna be later on,
it's gonna come up through everything. It's gonna tear, it's
gonna rip the weeds. The weed seeds fall on top

(23:29):
of the mult the rock, the d g anyway is
start growing from there, you do get a little bit
more protection. But I think that the overall problem is
bigger with weed barrier down the road, you know, and
there are right places for it, but I'm not a
huge advocate for it.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
I think that weed barrier or the mesh is more
of a problem now than it used to be, and
that's because people aren't moving as much there used to be.
If you lived in California in a house for five years,
that was plenty. Yeah yeah, okay, so uh let's see

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what was the other thing here?

Speaker 2 (24:11):
So did we talk about that though? Like, did we
answer a question regarding the environment.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
What do I don't want people to be hanging on going?
You know?

Speaker 2 (24:19):
We did you use the mesh in the beds?

Speaker 1 (24:21):
No?

Speaker 2 (24:21):
We did not.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Oh, the other answer was no.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
But but the other reason why we specifically did not
use mesh in John's beds is that his beds are
only really about six inches tall. Meaning above the ground.
So if we were to put mesh under the.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
It would raise it.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Well, no, it would have only been six inches below.
So if he would have dig, if he would have
planted a one gallon plant, you'd been hitting mesh.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Plus there was rock underneath the DG composed granted, So
the what was I going to say?

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Oh, sorry, that's all right, But if people were doing
like a two foot raised bed or like a you know,
something of deep size, like, yeah, you could use mash.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
I was going to mention.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
You gave me some gopher cages, cages from Mexico.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
They were like a wire mesh, like a like a
like a suit of armor wire mash.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
But very lightweight. Yeah, and we were wondering what happens
if you plant a tree in there? Right, you know?

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, we felt it would bind the roots, right.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
I did try it on a fig tree that I
put on my hillside, and gophers love victories, and I
thought a go forgot it. But then I started thinking, well,
how did the gopher even get in? Because I've planted
it in that mesh bag that you gave me and
it ended up coming back and it's bigger than ever.

(25:48):
So the roots must have grown through that.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
The fig tree now is probably eight to ten feet.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Tall, so it's got surprising.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
So it's got to have some you know, the big
roots that went somewhere. So I guess maybe the roots
grow right through it.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
And the damage could have been from gophers, because the
whole point of the cage is that it protects the
core of the plant, and gophers will sometimes nibble out
the surrounding roots and it'll die back. But since that
core is protected, the plant should come back. Sounds like
maybe what happened.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
And maybe because I got the gopher after that. Yeah,
so it could have been. John and Newfork Beach says
that for him, planning early as a gamble and in
their community garden they always have a competition to get
the earliest tomatoes. Oh really, Yeah, a lot of people
do that, right, you want to have the first tomato
on your property.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
I'm never that motivated. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
I remember when I lived in Michigan that Billy Martin
always wanted to have the first tomato.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Billy Mark baseball player Billy martindrew Billy.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Martin and he was manager of the Tigers and used
to play for the Yankees.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Well he made it.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Yeah, I think also Oakland, right.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
That must have been one of his first managerial jobs.
That's right.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
No, he came from somewhere else. He came from Oakland,
wasn't it Oakland. Wasn't he the one that always used
to make his pictures go to complete games?

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Oh? That was Dick Williams. Oh, that was Dick. That
was Dick Williams with a pod race.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
William Martin was earlier.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
When the pitchers were struggling out there. He leave him
out there is almost like a slow death. I'll teach,
I'll teach you to pitch correctly.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
That's right. So anyway, he said, half the people plant
way too early, and the tomatoes suffer until the ground
warms up and they lose time because they plant it
too early.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yes, that's true too, right, what.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
About if you're playing planning and planting an early girl?

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Well, that made me think about in the past, we
promoted winter winter tomatoes, right, the peach ga stupeachko is
one of them. And anyway and anything several yeah things
that sounded cold, yeah, l Siberia Manova. But anyway, those

(28:13):
winter so called winter tomatoes need to be planted now
in August. So if you want to have tomatoes in
the winter, plant a cold variety tomato. Early girl is
not one of those.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Varies, don't we often talk about people don't don't wait
until fall when it's cold, start planting now.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Well, it depends what you're planning. But the reason you
what a winter tomato is is a tomato that will
set fruit when nighttime temperatures are in the thirties and forties,
where regular tomatoes will not fruit when it's that cold.
But no tomato grows when the weather's cold. So you

(28:55):
want to plant the winter tomatoes now so that they
will get a lot of growth on them so come
fall they'll be large enough to flour and fruit or
come winter. And again, for listeners around the country, we're
talking about San Diego, we're not talking about our new

(29:16):
friend in Edmonton.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
And one of the most important things to also understand
too is the root development on the tomato. Super important,
you know, because we were just talking about that fig tree.
A fig tree can have like a pretty mild root
growth and it's actually a pretty good tree and can
produce figs and leaves and look big, and then you
knock it over and it's like there was no root
system to it, right, But like a tomato, it requires

(29:41):
I mean we talk about it. It requires a fifteen
gallon bucket just to be able to produce a fruit.
So it needs to have that much root mass. And
like they were saying, if the roots don't grow, even
though the plant's growing, then it still won't produce.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Break time. All right, one more segment until the top
of the hour for those on BIS Talk Radio. So
again we're going to continue taking a break. This is
Guard in America. We are back in studio. You're John Tiger, Brian.
Here we go with the break and back after these
messages on BIS Talk Radio. Okay, uh, no more delays.
We are back and this is our final segment. By

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the way, for hour one for Facebook. It doesn't matter, John,
because after that we're going to go right over the
top of the hill news on the other side of
the hour for bistalk Radio, and then we're back on
Facebook Live and six minutes after for bistalk Radio. You
and I are like to confuse your brain are.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Both over the hill. I don't know about Tiger.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
The hill I have not even I haven't even started
climbing the hill. Yet you talking.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
About it's always been a late bloomer.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
You got you gotta climb. You don't still where those
where those bloomers?

Speaker 2 (30:45):
I got a question for John So the the victory.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
See you do it too, Just say VI vippery either way?

Speaker 2 (30:56):
VI vippery?

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Where you're going to forget in two seconds?

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Where the plant from the fruit grows within the fruit,
you know, kind of.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
A on another part of the plant. It in the
case of a god, because it can be a plantlet.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Okay, So number one does it change? Like is that
tomato you know, as you just put in the newsletter,
that one that had a little and it was a
tomato fruit and then it had little tomato seeds growing
all sprouting out of it? Does that make it taste
just horrible?

Speaker 3 (31:29):
No, you can still eat you can still eat the
fruit right as a matter of fact, you can eat
the tomato sprouts if you want.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Yeah, I mean, you know, sprouts are what happens, are
just small.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
If you'll just keep growing.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Wait a minute, I'm getting there. I'm getting there. I'm
like I'm thinking, like, we gotta we have a new
level of things that we can do here. Yeah, where
what if we took a tomato because you know you
you spearheaded the whole ketchup and fries. Right, Okay, So
what if we took a tomato and started in atting

(32:00):
other seeds into it? Would they begin to grow out
of that tomato too? Where just we have one tomato
and then out of that tomato we can have like
a little cilantro. And all you do is you take
this one tomato, drop it into a pot, put it
in a blender.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
And what are you talking about other tomatoes or different
different snows.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
He wants to have salsa in one fruit?

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yes, Like can you imagine you go into the store
and you've got this big, beautiful tomato and in that
tomato it has a cilantro growing out of it, It's
got a little bit of like some chives growing out
of it and everything else, and you just take that
one plant and throw it into a blender.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
See.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
So I'm thinking about when you introduce a foreign substance
into your body that's that's not your own blood or
your own organs, that there's a rejection. Would there be
a rejection from that tomato?

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Tomato is water's just a sunflower seed inside of tomato
in it a Germany.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, right, but we haven't. I mean, but I've never
you want, in other words, you want to do this, I.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Want to do this. How do I How do I
inject seeds into a tomato without breaking without because that's
the whole thing too. The reason why this works is
because it's from the inside out right right. If I
were to puncture the tomato, it would begin to decay.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Right so, and the tomato is going to decay anyway.
By the time the other things are germinate and immature,
the tomato would be long gone.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
I'm thinking, yeah, and I can do this.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
I can do this.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
I would say if it was watery, if it was
a watery substance, you could just poke it in it right,
and it wouldn't it wouldn't create a big hole.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Well, I'm trying to think of a nice way of
putting this, but just put it. It's just silly. You
guys are being silly.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Hey, no, I know where you're going.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Ketchup and Fries was silly.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Yeah, that was pretty the silly as Ketchup in Fries was.
I think that I made more money off that than
you would make off your idea.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
But yeah, go ahead and try it. Yeah, I mean
Luthor Burbank.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
It's the way to introduce it because it comes from within.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
We mentioned that Luther Burbank was the first one to
graft tomatoes and potatoes, and he did it backwards at first,
where he grafted a potato plant onto a tomato rootstock.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
That's silly, Yeah, even I know that's wrong.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Luther Burbank was. He was a very impressive person.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
You know, we've talked about how Henry Ford and Thomas
Edison visited Burbank in Santa Rosa because he was so
well respected at the time and so innovative in everything.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
That the innovative minds want to hang around other innovative minds. Yeah,
well that's what that's all about.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
And it really comes down to if you really think
about science, biology is actually like light years ahead of
all the other sciences because it's it's nature and you know,
just like your quote, it's not in a rush, but
it all works itself out. And so nature's been doing

(35:19):
science for so much longer than we have, so it
understands when things work, when things don't, restrictions and all
of that. So, you know, I think that's where you know,
we talk about like a lot of our medicine, where
does it come from plants? You know a lot of
our all of our food, you know, besides animals, but

(35:41):
even then they depend on plants.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Or are you saying that God's plan is always better?

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Right, No matter what we do, all we tend to
do is get in the way.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
The answers are there. We just have to look for
them in nature.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Exactly exactly, you know. So you're right about about all
these medicines and things that come from, you know, the
of the plant world. And I think they're even doing
experiments on cancer research as it pertains to sharks. Really, yeah,
because I don't think I could be wrong, but I
don't think sharks get cancer. Yeah, there's something, there's something

(36:14):
within the shark itself that prohibits it. So everything is
right there.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
It's high mercury, diet, mercury.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
To hear about mercury anymore, we're still hearing about venus
and mars, but not mercury.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
But yeah, so no, I think that, you know, like
Lou the Burbank, like being involved with nature so much
and understanding plants that you can understand so much as
far as you know, water filtration, air filtration, energy, food,
all of that.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
John points out that his brother in Oregon, Oregon, Oregon,
I was reading it. Do you remember the aten the subject?
But Perry Como. I think it was Perry Como. That's
the song about where his aura gone. Yeah, Perry Perry

(37:06):
she went to pay her taxes? Oh do you remember.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
The play on words? Now?

Speaker 3 (37:10):
But it's all the states, like what did Delaware? Boys?
What did Delaware? She wore a brand new jersey. I
think it was Perry Como, either Perry Comb or Dean Martin. Anyway,
Tiger's probably never heard that song.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Ye, I don't. I don't remember it.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
I know those called puns all puns?

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Is that play on words?

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Play on words? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Anyway, we got about a less than a minute.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Well anyway, John says, whenever his brother in Oregon, Brian Oregon, uh,
did he curses Luther Burbank? Whenever he sees the huge
roadside BlackBerry mounts, Himalay and blackberries? But that happens, you
know those mistakes. You know who was a David Fairchild.

(37:58):
The Florida Swans are infested with mel luca because he
brought that over in California. We can grow Mela luca
because it's not a problem. But in the Everglades, Brian,
it's a problem.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
We got to take a quick break news Top of
the Hour coming up on BIS Talk Radio. After that,
it's more Garden America. Welcome back. If you're tuned in
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(38:33):
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So there you go. We are back on Facebook Live
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Speaker 3 (38:42):
First hour was full of a lot of gardening tigres,
yeah a lot of.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
We didn't talk sports, we didn't drift off into some
esoteric area. We pretty much stuck to the game plan.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
You know what I was just thinking about right now
before we started with you know, it's August and what
you're doing in the garden, what people are planting, and
you know, for us it's it's nothing because it's but
for us, you mean here in San Diego. Yeah, the
garden center. I mean, it's just it's just a lot

(39:14):
to do. Well, you always have.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
A lot to do. Last week I was admiring what
was that Japanese rose that we were staring at. It
was right in front of us on the table that
you did a hard prune.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Japanese rose.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
What had Japanese name? It was right in front of me.
Oh yeah, hard.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
I brought it on camera and well in front of
us is the Japanese garden that you created against the rose?

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Wasn't a Japanese road.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
We had a Japanese name.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
In a Japanese name. You called it your Japanese roads. No, no, no, no, no no,
it was a cross. Looking at it, and it's a
Japanese zero leaves on it.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
You did a.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
Hard you had something that looked good. It looked like
a bare route.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
No, no, this is my point.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
That was Kagayaki.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
There you go, Kagayaki. So so my point, it all
depends on how you look at something. I look at
that as like, that looks so good because I envision
what it's going to become. To me, that looked like
somebody just got out of the barbershop with a haircut,
and and you're gonna look a little better in a week.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
But look at you.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
I want to go home and do I didn't do it,
but I really it inspired me to go cut my roses.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Back, like, oh yeah, that would be a good time
to do it for a fall bloom.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah. I thought it looked really good. I really did.
I thought that's going to look now. Now you got
before and afters, So give it, what six weeks, what
will it look like.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
In six weeks being full blue?

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Full blown? Six weeks from that in six weeks, that's
a huge change.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
So you know, but what complete metamorphosis is what you
were saying, right, It's called the butterfly effect or the
caterpillar effector that.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
You know.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
But there are places in the world where August is
like spring, right, you know, in terms.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Of yes, you know, whats hey, Tiger's south of the equator.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, so
I wonder where where in the world people will get
excited to plant because it's August.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
Well, August in the southern hemisphere is the same as
January even hour, so it's still winter.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
But it's building up to spring, but he's building up.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
So they're getting it is January have.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Built it up? I don't know. Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Okay, how about this.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Tell our friend in Edmonton, she's just thinking about planning
in January.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Here's an idea. You take the twelve months of the year. So,
like in California, the month of August, what should you
be doing planning murdered iris?

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Okay, if you're going to plant, if you want bearded
iris to bloom next year, they need to be planted
in August. And if you have bearded iris that you
need to divide, you need to do it.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Okay. So now take August and if you live in Nebraska,
what should you be doing in August?

Speaker 3 (42:03):
You should be stocking up your woodpile.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
In so, what I'm saying is, and then you get
to September, what should each state be doing in terms
of gardening?

Speaker 3 (42:12):
And a lot of cold areas plant peonies in the
fall really so yeah, so that they'll over winter and
then so they'll bloom the following year.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Yeah, because if you plant peenies in the spring, you
have to wait a whole year.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah. But I think the other thing, you know, as
far as you know, different parts of the world when
it comes to the different months, like you're saying, Brian,
is also just different different cultures like you know, you
just mentioned bearded iris, peenies. You know, we can talk

(42:46):
about tulips and you know all kinds of other voeties
of plants that are very seasonal to wherever people live
and you know where we don't experience that because they
don't grow here. And you know, I mean, you know,
as we get in to the fall, we talk about
planting California natives because it's a great time to plant
the California natives. You get them established through the winter,

(43:07):
so by next summer they're established. You don't have to
worry about them as much. And they're growing and they're developing.
You know, that's our that's our tulip, that's our our
p and ees, so to speak. You know, but you
know other places where you know, you know, John mentioned

(43:28):
you know, the peenies, Like that's exciting to be like, hey,
I'm planting this now for next year. We don't have
too much of that besides maybe wildflower seeds because we
don't have a lot of bulb like a lot of.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
We have bear roots. Season though, right.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Not really though, Like I think other places have much
better bear roots season than us.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
California was the biggest bear root season in the country
bet grower. But do you think the season, yeah, because other.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Well, it depends what you're talking about bear root, But
I don't think other parts of the country have the
wide selection of bear root plants that we put in California.
California used to have shrubs, bear root shrubs.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Do you remember that, Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you get
a shorter amount of time with decision to plant.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Well, I'm getting what I'm getting at is like when
when rose growers were going through their fields and bear
rooting roses, they weren't they weren't dormant, you know, they
weren't like they were still like having to defoliate them
and all the other.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Stuff, right, but they were all harvested at the same time. Right,
So if you if you have a bear root rose
in California, it's harvested in December, you can go ahead
and plant it in January. Right, it comes in the nursery.
But if it's another part of the country, it has
to be held in cold storage.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yeah, they ship them in like you're saying that May April,
you know, or April they show up in the nurseries. Yeah, exactly, Yeah,
so yeah, I mean, you know, it's just it's August
is one of those weird and then August and September
are kind of like those weird months for gardening, and
then I kind of feel people get excited again at

(45:17):
the end of September. October is a very exciting month
for gardening, and then I think November just gets you know,
grouped in with Christmas, and you know, you kind of
November and December are all one month for I think
gardening people.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
For the most part, Carla mentions she's trying not to
buy any new plants.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Just right now. Are in general, carl.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
I think she's saying because the water water bill is
so high. Oh yeah, first of all, yeah, that's something
you just got to put up with the removed Idaho
because they don't have water bills in Idaho, at least
in Boise.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Want they live off the runoff.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
No, I think it's free. I don't think my daughter
has a water bill. I could wrong.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
I got to pay something for it, right like you.
They got to put the pipes in and stuff.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
No water bill, Yeah, I've never heard of that.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Our friend Diane, who lives outside of Boisse in Nampa,
has a day of the week where she opens up
the dyke yep and floods her entire yard.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Yeah, that's really she has a personal dyke.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Yeah. Yeah, there's there are areas where they're kind of
like rural farmlands where what do they call them the
water master and they like give you certain days where
you can you can divert the there's always like a
stream running.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
In front of your house. Yeah right, okay, so you
can tap into.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
It certain days of the week you can tap into
it and then water you're property.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah, no, it's great. I mean great, that's that's that's
that's lovely that there are areas where there's always water.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
I've never heard you say the word lovely. No, it's
the first time I've ever heard him say.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
He perked up when I said it lovely lovely.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
You know what is it that they always said in
in when we were in England? We never use it here? Brilliant?

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Oh yeah. My brother when he he lived in England
for a while and get married to do in English
and he worked in advertising over there. He came back
and everything was brilliant. It's brilliant, brilliant. I go, what
it's good? I'm not sure brilliant? What do you mean?

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Is it intelligent? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Exactly. It's like it's like, when's the last time you
used the word darling?

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Darling?

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Last night? Darling? No, but isn't that isn't that flower darling?
Or isn't that not your wife? Or but just women
tend to use the word more than than men do. Yeah,
I never said darling. I remember in the Uh, when's
the last time Shannon said that's really bitchin?

Speaker 3 (47:55):
I don't think she's ever said that. The I do
remember though, when we were always the hippie era end
of the sixties.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Like sixty seven to seventy four. Maybe we got a
break coming up. That's gonna be a good story. Don't
don't lose your thought. No, no, no, hipp Hippie John
Hip Hippie Days. Okay, we're gonna take a break for
BIS Talk Radio Back with John's Hippie Days sixty seven
to seventy four CIRCA stay with us on guard in America. Okay,

(48:31):
we are right back BIS Talk Radio Facebook Live the
hippie days, John harkening back to that.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Time Macromee, avocado Carr.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Right, exactly all that.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Speaking of Macrima, my wife.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Don't you ever Bega, don't know, don't no, don't You're
gonna lose your favorite.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
She made Macromee on television. It's on a television show
making macrim in Detroit.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
I remember that those days's look back to your story
Carol Devall's show. You can remember, Carol Deval, I can't
remember last segment.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Can't remember what were we talking about.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Oh yeah, we were just talking about how they used
different words and and we were in my friend's v
W van.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Of course, you were a bunch of people with the
big flowers on the side, and.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
There were some people from England who were visiting that
were there there with us, and my my friend's girlfriend
was looking at something I don't know what it was,
and the people from England pointed it out to her
and she goes, oh wow, that's nat and they just

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burst out laughing, and she goes, what's what are you
laughing at? She goes, do you mean it's tidy?

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Yah?

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yeah? Did you ever use the word if something was
really cool? Like, oh, that's just wicked. Oh, wicked, Wicked, Wicked.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
Never u keene keen when we went to see that
musical while we were.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Wicked, And there's probably it's probably regional vernacular because when
I was a kid, surfers the waves are really bitching.
You got to go see and really it's really righteous today,
really righteous.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Never used that in Michigan, I wouldn't think so.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
No, Yeah, definitely, definitely regional yea words exactly.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Anyway, on the way home from the show last week,
I went to home depot and bought some.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
On the way home from you already we were already,
you were home last week. You were at your house
last week when we did the show.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
You didn't have to leave. So from the backyard two
your sliding glass, there's a home depot.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Yeah, you know what. I came to San Diego in
the middle of the week and on the way home
I stopped at home Deepot and got ten bags of
that black mulch. Oh the yeah, my wife likes the black.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
I saw it. It doesn't look bad. It's fine. Yeah, anyway,
looks like volcanic rock from a distance.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
It's a it's a good foil for the plants brand.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
If you had some bright colors with it, then you like,
look not no leave roses right exactly.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Well, I'm the front bed is the my wife's pink
and white bed. So the pink and white show up
probably good against it. So I got ten bags and
I put down the wheat preventer first and then put
this on top, and I did half the gardens. So
on the on the way back from the show today,
I'm going to get another ten bags and hopefully I

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can finish the other half. But the point was the
last shipment they had. Trying to think of the common
name tiger.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
This was a plant.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
It's pentus. What's the common name for pentus? O? Is
it Egyptian starflower?

Speaker 2 (51:58):
I was gonna say starflower?

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Yeah, they're not for me, but there's a.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Few other starflowers. And I can't remember the like you're saying.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Where anyway, Pentus p e t a s correct, which
they had these.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Pots wonderful butterfly plants.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Yeah, they had, And they had plants that had or
pots that had I think there were five plants in there,
and they were different colors and one was red, which
I cannot put in the pink and white garden, but
the others were white and pink, so I just separated
that pot rather than you know, planet as one. And

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then they look great in there, and they liked the heat.
They do really well during the summer.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Speaking of the heat, are you concerned at all that
the black mulch is going to make the bed.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Hotter on a zero to ten scale?

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yes, zero, you think so? You don't think. You don't
think with all the size that proves that black absorbs
more or heat that you're creating a hotter situation for
your plants.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Do you grow any plants that's the nursery and black containers?

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Yes, And and it talks about like.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
They've they you're not worried they're all going to die.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Well, hopefully they don't last there for more than the black.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
A black container surrounds the plan.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
I saw a couple of plants that I remember from
last year.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
A black containers surrounds the plant. But but what he
we're talking about is it's actually buried within them.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Yeah, but surrounding the plant's going to be a lot
worse because there's nowhere for those.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Us in my nursery is also in Mission Hills compared
to fall, we.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Get a temperature meter.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Androoks not to Mecula though. You know, I think you
have in your mind that it's like Temecula.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
No, it's but I mean what I'm getting at is
like it's seventy in Mission Hills when it's eighty five involved.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Why don't you test test the ground, the temperature of
the ground compared to the rest of the areas.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
You don't have the black because I don't really want
to waste my time.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
See, this is what he doesn't want to be proven.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
He doesn't want to I don't have an answer for it.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Say, okay, so, Brian, here's the next time we go
up to John's house. Okay, you know he has his
like slope. There's no molts on it, there's nohing. Right,
I'm going to bring my little thermometer, my laser thermometer,
and I'm gonna shine it there, and I'm gonna shine
it on the black moult And I think the black
moults will be hotter.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
I would too. Yeah, he's looking up right, And.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
I'm not saying it's worse. Sometimes keeping judgment, sometimes keeping
the soil warm is actually better.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
Right, you know, without being sarcastic, that I have to
really watch myself because you know I have a tendency.
You you always mentioned I have tens. You're never sarcastic,
and and I really it's something I work on. The
Where were we talking black molts?

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:50):
The it started thinking.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
So when you leave here, who watches after you? By yourself?

Speaker 3 (54:57):
My mind just went to I really need to be
a better person. I could try harder. But the mulch
is covering the ground, holding the moistures. Yes, and the
moisture's got to automatically help cool lower the temperature and
keep the roots cool. In roots like as long as
there's moisture available, they like warm temperatures.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
I know.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
That's what I'm saying. I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
I mean, look at the tropics right now.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
That's what I'm saying. Warm soil is beneficial for the
most part. I mean, I think in most of the
problem areas people are combating keeping their soil warm.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
Well, back to what you're saying, if I lived in
Palm Springs, would I reconsider black mulch?

Speaker 2 (55:41):
I might, No, Yeah, or like black Mexican beach pebble,
you know what I mean, like compared to like an
Arizona river Rock.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Yeah, but in Fallbrook, I don't think that's a problem.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
We haven't. I don't think thought it was a problem.
Just was it What was the ground actually warmer in
other areas that didn't have it?

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Yeah, I don't know. No, Judge is one of the
least of my worries.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
And what in what burns the flowers in foliage on
a rose? You know, like is it the intense intense
sunlight or is it any intense heat?

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Is it the sunlight on top of the.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Heat, because I mean, like that's the thing, right, Like.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Intense sunlight doesn't hurt plants because you look at the
look at the tropics where the sunlights is intense, but
you have humidity and cooler temperatures. So it's got to
be a combination of the two. So it's I think
it's definitely the heat. Especially I have a lot of
wind where I am compared to you, and if you

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have hot, dry winds.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
That are that's going to create a break time.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Yeah, they're pulling the moisture out of the leaf.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
Hot there. We're going to continue to pontificate, so do
stay with us. This is Garden America taking a break
for BizTalk Radio. Okay, two more segments. This one, John,

(57:14):
you'll be happy to know is the longer of the
next two coming up, So plenty of time to forget
more things.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Well, that'll give Tiger time to answer Lenar's question.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
All right, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Canyon Country, right.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
Right, she's got some dragon fruit. Oh, actually, maybe she
wasn't the one who asked that she was talking about
dragon fruit. But now I'm starting to.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
We're going to.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
What was actually Veronica going back to Veronica.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Now from Canyon Country to Spring Valley. But isn't Veronica moving?

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Yeah, but she's not moving to Canyon Country's standing in
Spring Valley, I think.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Anyway, why do I remember?

Speaker 3 (57:54):
All? She's got four cuttings of dragon fruit and she
wants to know how to plant them. All right, they're
just cuttings.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Just cuttings. So like most cuttings, it'd be nice for
you to let them heal, which is, you know, about
four or five days in a cool, dark area where
you just let that cutting heel before you plant it.
That just helps decrease a little bit of rot. And

(58:21):
then for the dragon fruit, it's best to plant it
in a very well draining soil medium, you know, like
a like a cactus mix or like a really well
draining potting So don't go to buy steak I'm getting there.
Don't go well, no, don't go buy that moisture retaining
miracle grow potting mix like nothing like well, that's what

(58:43):
I'm saying. Like even like like John's a super big
advocate of Ocean forest Love the product great recipe for
twenty from eb Stone, wonderful products, But they're all designed
to retain moisture, right, And you can rot out your
cuttings by planting those in there. And what John mentioned

(59:04):
a steak is critical because you what happens is when
it starts to set those little baby roots out from
the bottom, if it falls over or begins to move,
those begin to break. It just keeps delaying the overall
like cutting time that it takes to really establish itself.
So if you can keep it secured, and like we said,

(59:27):
like the problem with a lot of the soil mediums
we talked about is they're very loose, so they're not
going to hold the plant in it as well.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
And you don't want to put the cutting too far
in the soil because and there's a better chance of
it rotting.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
What do you think, like an inch or two not.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Even that much. I would say half inch to an inch.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Just barely, yeah, barely putting it in the but there's no.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Way it'll stand up. So, like you said, you've got
to have a steak. The same thing with like plumeria cuttings.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
You know one thing that I saw somebody do. I
have this neighbor that does a bunch of dragons there
Their whole backyard is dragonfruit. Like it's weird. They built
this whole structure, you know, like the vagina umbrellas with
the dragon fruit on them, and you know what they did.
You know those I think you talked about this a
week or two ago that you planted You remember those tall,

(01:00:19):
narrow citrus cans. Yeah, okay, I think you recently planted
one in some planted Yeah yeah, yeah. So it's these
very tall How tall was yours? Was it one of
the big ones, like about fourteen or sixteen inches? Okay?
But they're real narrow only like maybe like a six
inch one gallon can, but like a cylinder. What they

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would do is put the soil at the bottom of
that and they would just drop the dragon fruit in
there and then that way it's rooted, but the the
can is holding it all up versus like what you're saying,
putting a steak. They just put it in this very tall,
narrow nursery can route and then once it rooted, then
they could just pop it out and you know, transport.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Me your favorite real quick. If you went on your
phone before I describe something that may not be true,
show me a picture of a dragon fruit.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
You don't know what it looks like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
I think, I think I do, and I don't think
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
They're pink and they have like scales.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
They're not white with dark seeds on them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Yeah, yeah, that's the inside.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Okay, so I'm on the right track. Yeah, I think
when I when I've tried it in the past, I
didn't do anything for me. Yeah, what about you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
I like them. There's a lot of varieties.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Of dragons, yes, exactly. So maybe maybe it's just a
variety I tried. It was maybe that when John showed me, Yeah,
I just didn't do anything for me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
It was like they have pink fleshed varieties.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Too, But does that change the flavor?

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Yeah, some are sweeter, some are kind of mild. I
like those little seats in there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Yeah, I just the taste to me wasn't it didn't
it wasn't very inspiring and maybe it was just it
wasn't sweet enough or something. Dragon fruit, you know, it's
interesting about dragons.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
The other name for dragon fruit is pataia.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Is it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
What I was going to say about dragons, John, is
that in all parts of the world, in different countries
and continents before we had, you know, mass communication with
each other, that there's drawings of dragons almost all over
the world.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
You know that In my library, I have a fantasy section.
You know, I've got all my horticulture books for those
books that fantasy Okay, go ahead, and then there's a
fantasy section. And I had, like, I have one shelf
that has Game of Thrones on all those books and

(01:02:53):
then some other books that Robin Hobbes wrote about dragons.
And online on Amazon on I found this this bookend
that is a dragon put point just its head with
its claw coming out, you know, that would hold the

(01:03:13):
books about Okay, and it's on the shelf.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
You bought it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
I bought it and put it up there. And yesterday
my son came over and we were playing three handed
peanuckle and Jesse looked at it and said, wow, that's
really cool. And Shannon looked at and she said, when
did you get that?

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
I didn't really mention when I ordered it. But I
really like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Who notices change in your house, be it subtle or major.

Speaker 3 (01:03:43):
You, your wife, if it's outside, they notice very people
notice very little. I notice every every little thing. If
somebody picked up a plant in what there's fifteen hundred
pots of roses, if someone moved it from one space
to another.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Yeah, I noticed most subtle changes. I can put something,
I can hang a picture, or do something in the house.
It maybe three or four days later. Yeah, Or I'll say, hey,
did you notice what I did last week?

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Yeah, oh yeah, it's nice. Well my wife has started
to notice things with our vegetable garden, especially out there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Now she's out there more.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Well, yeah, she'll go out and she'll see, you know,
are the tomatoes right? She made a Marinera sauce with
the tomatoes. Uh, the other day made the spaghetti that
she just really thought was good. So she's looking for that,
looking are the zucchina she just wanted? You know, zucchini
will creep up on you, Brian, if you don't watch them.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Do you remember years ago you had us over for
dinner at your house prior to this.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Yeah, remember what I served?

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Go ahead, and and Dana and I were like, gosh,
this is just this is the best meal ever. And
we assumed Tiger that if John cooked it, you know,
like from scratch.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
I did cook it, but from scratch.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
But John was very forthcoming and he said that's Bertolini
her Toleys Bertolis or whatever. Yeah, and from that moment
on now we continue to buy it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Yeah, oh, but you took his Italian card away.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
But it had shrimp. I think I think I think
it might have had shrimp. I'm not sure, but because
they have several varieties. Yeah, but this goes back I
don't know, ten years or whatever it was. And to
this day when we grocery shop, we make sure to
buy it all because of you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
It's so easy too, Wright, You're just dump it in
a pan.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Yeah, it melt and go.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
And if you told people that I spent most of
the day making this, and believe you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
It's like I had this friend who is Italian and
she used to talk about her mom mace, her own
pasta sauce. It so delicious, and she'd always be so
critical whenever we got of course Italian food.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
Right, Italians have a tendency to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Yes, and so I remember one time I went over
to her house for dinner and her mom was cooking,
and her mom used like some like pasta sauce out
of a can like racoon, Yeah, exactly, And I was like,
I was all excited to come over and have this
like home girlfriend at the time. No, no, it's just

(01:06:20):
a friend, but I was all excited to have this
wonderful home cooked Italian. She'd been talking she she'd been
talking up her mom's cooking so much, and I was
excited to come over and like eat the dinner.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Was she aware that her mother used store So I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Necessarily think her mom used it all the time, like
meaning like I think that she did grow up with
her mom cooking sauce. I think it was just she's
having people over. She didn't want to maybe do the
whole like, I mean, what is a what does a
pasta sauce usually take?

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Like a day?

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Right, Like don't you have to like.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Started in the morning. The world's best putt, not the
world's best. That's exaggerating. But I may really good pasta
sauce and it takes the day.

Speaker 1 (01:07:01):
Do you know what I make that's really good? That
that I envisioned myself selling it, you know, is tartar sauce.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
You make a tartar sauce. Make it, but it's with
things you have in your cupboard already, right, Well, that
isn't it just like Mayo eggs and vinegar or something.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
That's Mine's different?

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
You get the male part, okay, cream of tartar.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
No, I don't. I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Like what is it?

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Well it can be. You know that that mine's a
bit sweeter because I put relish in it. Okay, okay,
So if you go to the store, some of those
are like not quite as sweet.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
And you can get sweet or you can get right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
So it's Brian's world famous tartar sauce. And I got
a picture the globe and like a spinning wheel on it.
This is that's my marketing. That's my marketing fantasy. You know,
Brian's world famous. I love it when people say world famous,
you know, which means nothing. Anyway, we gotta take a break.
So much of my tartar sauce back after these message messages.

(01:07:55):
Our final message break on Bistok Radio. Ready to go,
final segment. Hey, we this is almost like going to
Mars and hoping you'll get back home safely.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
We're going to make this one our best.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
So right now we're.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
Coming back home from Mars and we're right around the moon,
so which means we have two hundred and fifty thousand
miles to go between the Moon and the Earth.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Will Now you were watching that Matt Damon movie, weren't.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
You, Well that was that was Marsha Marsha. No, it's
just a silly analogy.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
By the way, Paula and not Paula, excuse me. Lisa
in reading Grease with Tiger, she goes, yeah, I'm not
using black maultch you're in reading, but reading's you know,
a little hotter, Yeah, a lot hotter.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
I think it looks good though. I like the way
that if you had like different variations of colors right
on top of it, it would look it would really
have a stark contrast.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
When you get to variation with flower petals, and.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
You know, it's so funny. Is people's people's vision of
Maltz and what it does to the guard. I was
I was driving through. I was driving through. Uh where
I was up. I was up north.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
In Escondido, and that's if you're John, that's south.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Yeah. Yeah. And and I saw this guy laying down
brown so you know, there's the black, brown and red
mulches like that were describing. And he was laying down
brown bags of it over old brown mulch in his
front yard. And it really did make it pop a lot, right,

(01:09:28):
I mean I could see the clear line between here's
the old, here's the new, and I mean this was
a big area. This was like a whole front yard
he was doing. And you know, it just made me
think like at some point in time he drove up
to his house and was like that that brown mulch
looks old. I'm gonna get new and put it over

(01:09:49):
my whole yard.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
And where you're driving, bio, you stop to observe this.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
No, No, I'm just driving by because I mean, you know,
I mean it was a big area, and I could see.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
You when you're driving in traffic and you're looking no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
No, this was through like a neighborhood. Okay, okay, but
you know, at some point in time he was like
this weekend or this week, I'm gonna make my because
he was doing it out of the back of like
a minivan. So he's like, I'm gonna make my twenty
trips to the store to buy ten bags of time
to start laying over this whole area. And you know,

(01:10:21):
but it did look nice.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
It did look nice, but but you know, after a while,
you kind of get used to the way it looks
because it fades over time. It's like this last week,
I had to get a new what do you call
those things that you plastic over the rug that your
chair slides on, a matt, like a plastic mat when
you're on carpet, so that your office chair will slide. Yeah,
so I had i because it was cracking years of use.

(01:10:44):
So this is in my office. So I removed it
and wait did you put on it? And under under
the under the under the uh the rug underneath there
was like brand new. Yeah, and I'm looking around, going
when you move the couch, yeah, it's like it's like,
I didn't the rug looks good, but not like this
because this is like brand new because it had the
plastic matt over it for all these years. And I'm

(01:11:06):
like well, there's nothing I can really do. I mean,
I'm not going to bring it to look like the
rug looks like it's like we have. John is responsible
for us having bamboo hardwood floors because when I was
redoing the house and renovating years ago, John said, oh,
you got to consider bamboo floor, you know what. So
I did. But we have area rugs over a lot
of them. Mm hm. So when you remove the area rugs,

(01:11:28):
you go, oh, that's what the floor used to look like,
very bright and shiny, and over time it dulls. So
this guy that you're talking about, unless he had something
to compare it with, you kind of get used to
the way it looks, yes, and you don't realize when
you do what he did, this is what it's supposed
to look like. Right now? Is that because of rain, weather, sun,

(01:11:50):
all the elements, all of it affects.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
It and leaves like it was in an area where
there's trees. So you know, obviously there's foliage dropping down
into that march, which will also make it look a
little bit not as clean. I will say, though, the
other thing that I don't agree with with that mulch
is that it doesn't break down as quickly, which is
you know, to some people that's what it is designed for.

(01:12:13):
It would have been better for him to rake out
the old stuff, yes, remove it and put down the
new stuff, because now he's just piling wood chips upon
wood chips upon wood chips, and you know over time
that's not the best thing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
So would you say it's worth if you didn't want
to do that, it's just worth it to hire someone
and take all the old out put the new in.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Oh yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
You know, kind of the older you get, you realize
I'm just gonna pay someone to do this. I don't
want to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
Depends on what you're feeling, is well, how big. But
if you're in a pottery area, a thicker layer of
mulch isn't horror moisture in right? Yeah, But if you're
on the coast and you wanted to and your purpose
is to have it with meat, like if you live
on a quarter acre or less is different than if
you live on three and a half acres.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Yep, yeah, sure.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
Question for Brian from from Carlos. She wanted to know
if the Bertoli you were talking about was like the
Bertoli olive oil. Yes, yes, yeah, yes, same thing, same company, right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Yeah, exactly, and John's responsible for that and my bamboo floor.
So we learned a lot today.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
You blame a lot of things.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
On me, blame this. This is giving you full credit.
By the way, changing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Paula in Fallbrook till the end of the show. Oh
my gosh, Peter Haya, oh remember walk by your friend
and then quickly Millie in in Napomo. I'm not sure
if we should allow her to listen to the show

(01:13:46):
anymore because she said that her husband makes.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
The best.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Tartar sauce or no, it's the spaghetti sauce, the.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
Best spaghetti sauce. But you know what, Millie, what type
of sauce? That's the point. Is it a bollionnaise? I
make a bollionnaise sauce? There are different Is that the
one with meat in it? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
And there's other types of sauce.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
You know, is the billionnaise or bullionnaire you pronounce the
s yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
That's Italian, okay, billionnaise.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
So there's different ones.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
There's different sauce categories that we volunteer. And it's all
right if her husband wants to make the best of
Marinera saucers. No, it depends on there's different parts of Italy,
and you guys both know this.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
From there's northern. Northern is the white sauce and then
the red sauce or vice versa.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
Right, No, well it gets hotter the further south you
go into spicy, spicier.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Yeah, they put pepper in it. It all like like
peppers or is it just from like pepper seasoning?

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
No, pepper down south?

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Yeah, Like how do they get it spicier?

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
They use spicy like like like meats, like sausages and
their sausages.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
Okay, we got We're gonna start wrapping it up. Wow,
how about that. Let's come back next week. Let's come
back next week and try we didn't cover Yeah, and
reenact the same thing, all right, second verse, same as
the first.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
Send you your pictures to Johnigardanamerica dot com. We'll try
to get him in the newsletter. Yes, and I apologize.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
You know, we had a lot coming, but John's got
an overabundance right now.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
I couldn't get everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
There could be a waiting time. Hey, for the entire crew.
I want to thank Stephanie on Bistok Radio, Tiger Peller, Fox,
John Bagnasco. I'm Brian Maine. Have a great week and
join the rest of your weekend. We are back in
studio next week, right here on Garden America. Until then, John,
get growing, something like that, Get growing. Take care,

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