Warm Weather Growing Tips & Exotic Roses - Garden America Podcast & Radio Show [4.5.25] - Garden America - Gardening Podcast & Talk Radio Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, well, how about that a few minutes late. Some
technical problems which we hope we've solidified by this time.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Anyway, daylight savings time. I'm sorry, John, what daylight savings time?

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Okay, John didn't get a lot of sleep last night.
We'll go back to John's comment in a minute. Right now,
we're going to establish the show though, we say good morning,
welcome to guard in America. A few things that we're
ironing out. Tiger's working on that. Hope you had a
good week. Here's the weekend. Listening to us live, listening
to us pre recorded. We do appreciate it. I'm Brian Main,
John Beg Nascar talking about daylight savings time, Tiger making
sure that we stay on the air, And yes, John,

(00:33):
we are on daylight savings time, which means it's lighter longer.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Oh, I thought that was why we started four minutes late.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Let me see, how does how would that work? Spring forward?
Fall back? Now, let's just come clean. We had a
hard time staying on the air, staying on Facebook Live,
I should say, but we are back now, Tiger, how
confident are you?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
You know, once Tiger changed the batteries, everything was just fine.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
The batteries. You know, two years ago we had the
battery crap out on us during during the show.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Right just for the mics though it wasn't like it
wasn't anything except just for the mic connection.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
And so talker had to change the battery. So John
has held on too that for a couple of years.
Just like the time he came over to my patio
and I didn't have a lot of my pots weren't
quite full of soil. They were halfway.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Brian, come on, were talking about somewhere at least twenty
five percent full.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, the story changes over the years. That sounds better
because I had I had a bag of soil that
was like halfway halfway gone. I didn't have a lot,
so I just fed a little to the various pods
to make sure they had something. He comes over in fact, no,
you know what you were hanging out. You were peeking
over my fence. I had no idea you were coming over.

(01:45):
And I said, hey, what are you doing? And he said,
I'm looking at your pots. There's no soil in them,
they're twenty five percent full.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
That was one you learned you need to cover the roots.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yes, yes, this was when.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
You learned not all plants are epic fights.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
That's another good one. And that's when you told me.
But uh, and they were roses, that's what that's what
that's what sparked his interest. Yeah, they were roses anyway. Yeah,
twenty five percent sounds pretty good. How are your roses doing,
by the way, fantastic. You got them all cut back, yep,
all new growth, all the new buds, right, the new
shiny leaves.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Don't you love spring leaves on roads?

Speaker 1 (02:23):
I do. I'm a leaf guy.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah. That lovely, so so good.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, and you know what, the rain didn't hurt either.
This rain was good for.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
You know what I'm wondering might hurt. I don't know
what you guys think, but we're going from uh at
my house said the last two days was really cold.
It was chilly, like a high of sixty degrees and
wind blowing. We had gale force winds for two or
three days in a row. Gale force so strong that

(02:52):
my new roses, you know, the butted maidens. We've talked
about that in the past, that the wind snapped off
the flower stem. You know, like wow, when the buds
comes out, it'll go you know, have a and I
know I should cut the first butt off, but I don't.
I want to see it bloom. So it shoots up
like maybe U twelve to eighteen inches. So it's just

(03:16):
there attached to the plant, and the wind comes really
strong and just snaps it off. John just I should
take the end of it.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Dana just called us the bicker Brothers. Hey, bicker Brothers.
So when you had these gale force.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Wa need to be a show called the Bickersons.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
The Bickerson's an old radio show. Yeah. Did you run
into the house during this gail storm and say to
Shannon it's a twister, it's a twister?

Speaker 2 (03:38):
No, I did not say that.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
You know that's front. Don't you know there wasn't a oz.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
It's a twister.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
It's at twister. It's at twister. Yeah, the tornado is coming.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Bert Lark Oh, okay, I was thinking of this before
the dream. I was thinking of the uncle.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
The uncle.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah what what uncle?

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Because her uncle doesn't she live with her auntie m
and uncle.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Okay, yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
That's why that is.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
That is that the scarecrow.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
And they were outside working and the winds came.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
She fell into the pig pen and yeah, exactly how
your nose.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
It's a twist.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I got it.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
So but let John finish his thought because I think
you already forgot about it. But you're concerned because we've
had cool weather right now, we're going to.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Have thank you for that. By the way, hot and cold.
I love Tiger's memory.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Bruce used to say, hot and cold, lemon split? What
is my citrus split? Hot to cold? Hot to cold?

Speaker 2 (04:45):
But you know, now, I'm looking at the UH forecast
for next week and we have four I think three
or four days that are predicted to may be maybe
hit one hundred. I mean it's in the nine high nineties.
And if that materializes, I'm wondering what's going to happen

(05:05):
going from this really chilly cold weather to that hot weather.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
That will be a gradual change, or you wake up
the next day, I'll tell.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
You what's not have you have you ever vacationed in Florida?
You know at the beginning of summer when you see
all those people come down from the north and then
they just go straight into the hot heat. That's what's
going to happen to your plants. They're gonna get unburned
and toasted. Out there.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Well, that's what I'm wondering. Yeah, I think the roses
will be okay as long as they're water anyway. I
guess that's important for plants and containers water keep them hydrated.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Right, But even then, will the new foliage be able
to withstand that intense heat?

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Well, you know the wind. I had some foliage and
even on a couple of the roses where it didn't snap,
the top parts still wilted over.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
And it's even though even though the pots were wet,
they couldn't take up because of the wind blown couldn't
take up moisture fast enough to keep the plant hydrated.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
And that's what people do make the mistake of, right
they see that and the instance put more water on it.
Then you go to the opposite effect, where now you're
drowning your plan.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Well, then it also makes a difference. Is it going
to be hot just hot or hot with wind? And
if you add the wind to it, then no good.
It's no good. And I'm concerned because our friend Joel
and Becky came over to my house on Monday and

(06:41):
we got all the roses ready for this coming up auction,
which I think is may tenth and we got them
all separated, but you know, already had to pull one
out because it snapped, so we're not going to have it.
But anyway, I'm excited because this is to get ready
for our big fall auction to raise some money to

(07:01):
be able to support that. But we've got probably we'll
have a hundred roses in this auction. It's mail order
or online bidding only, not in person, but there'll be
a lot of roses offered for the very first time
in this country.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
I know, it's really cool.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Really, I should do a little show for it.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
We could.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
What days the auction.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
I think, well, you can start bidding I think in
a week or so. Okay, but the auction ends on Sunday,
May eleventh, eleven, May tenth, or whatever that is.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
I think it's the eleventh. I think May tenth is
a Saturday.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Well, I'm sure you're going to get your hands on
some of these roses coming from me, but I'm saying
you're going to hold a few back.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Well, it always has its own stash.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Of course, if it's really rare, I try to keep
one for future propagation because the purpose of what we're
doing is to try to get save roses from extinction,
get them back into the public gardens. And so you
got private gardens people are going to be getting these.

(08:13):
But then we're also working with the Huntington I've gotten
a few emails from Tom Caruth this week and they
lost a few roses that we have and we're going
to get to them. So we're keeping them in public
gardens where people can see them, and then in private
gardens where people can share them. So that's what I do, Brian.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
And then will you go forth and multiply after that.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
And multiplying and be fruitful.

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Show a cartoon that you did. Yeah, he can hold
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Speaker 2 (09:38):
Well, are we close enough that I have time to
do exactly.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
I have carved out this portion of the show for
your quote of the week.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
You know, we've talked in this year about Ruth Stout,
and we talked about some videos that she had made.
And I think it was one of our listeners, Paula.
I had lived in New York when Ruth Stout was
over there, But anyway, I became fascinated with some of
the things she did. And this quote is from her,

(10:08):
and she said we all have preferences. She says, I
love spring anywhere, but if I could choose. I'd always
greet it in a garden.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Good quote, excellent, be there in the garden to greet spring.
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(10:41):
Radio back after these messages, so we are back. The
mics are hot. I tested it, burnt my finger. Hey,
let's see. Uh, we got a couple of questions here.
We're going to talk about maybe some updates to the
newsletter and some ideas that we have here in Garden America.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Well, Carla was asking if we had thunderstorms in San Diego.
We at my house, we have thunder, but not a storm.
I where I live. I can never tell if it's
thunder at first or Camp Pendleton because they sound the same.
Yeah when they're shooting off, Yeah when the.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
No, we didn't we had rain, but no thunder.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
You know, it was funny as yesterday driving the kids
home from school, we we we have this area where
we we go high on the eight O five and
you can kind of see all around San Diego, and
it looked like we were in the eye of a
giant storm because when it looked to the east, there
was some very intense clouds. And when I looked to

(11:38):
the south, there were some very intense clouds. And we
looked at the north, and I'm like, I feel like
we're in a giant hurricane because it looks very bad
all around us. And and so I imagine there were probably
some storms going on, but we were not affected by an.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
I was standing in my backyard and I looked off
to to the north and these like you're saying, the
dark black cloud really but it was sunny where it was, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Not a cloud in the sky. It just beautiful.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
And then it started raining.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
Yeah, goodness gracious, all right. So so yeah, it missed us,
but it definitely I could see where it did hit
people all around us. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Leonor said that it was cold and windy at her
house too, and she said then it rain lasted a
couple hours and the next day, sunny and warm.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, you have tod It was a beautiful day. Yeah,
it was nice. It's always nice right after a rain,
it feels good.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
We have Kim listening from Tucson. I would imagine Tucson
weather's really nice this time.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
I imagine.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
I wonder how I think they start getting hot in April.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
I talked to some buddies and producer buddies in Phoenix.
Huh in last couple of weeks they hit in ninety five.
Really yeah, but then it gets ready, but then it
gets cool again. It's one of those kind of gearing
up for summer. And then after a certain point, probably
I'm guessing, like John says, latter ap May, then it's
sustained heat.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
You know, you know in the Phoenix in like the
Arizona area too, is a funny thing, like San Diego,
because people have this vision of San Diego and then
they come into San Diego in June and July thinking
it's a southern California sunny place and it's not. We
have we have June gloom, and you know, it's not
sunny as you would think. It was sunny and warm,

(13:24):
and Arizona is kind of like that too, where they
think all through the summer it's going to be just
hot and dry. But they have the summer where they
get them monsoon and they have massive rainstorms come through.
It's warm, and they don't yeah, and they don't think.
They think, oh no, it's gonna be hot and dry,
and then it rains and.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
They isn't that closer to like Cauga.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
Yeah, it's later, But that's what I'm saying, Like they
think it's going to be dry there all the summer,
but it's not.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
I made a trip with I'm trying to think it
might have been just Joel uh, but Cliff oriented told
us about a nurse tree that was closing down in Phoenix,
and we drove out. We runted a U haul truck
and drove out.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Remember this, Yeah, we drove out.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
There to pick up roses and it was August, and
as we're driving, the thought just came to me, we're
going to Phoenix in August. In August and the truck's
not cooled. I mean, no, it's gonna be like two
hundred degrees. Oh yeah, that's right in the back where
you're ros or that roses were going to be. But

(14:33):
just by fortune, good luck. There was that monsoon weather
you're talking about. Yeah, so it was cloudy, overcast, cool.
I actually rained a little bit on the roads washing out.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, because that happens over there too.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, that didn't happen though, so everything came back just
you know.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
It's interesting because I went to school in Flagstaff, and
of course there's snow in the wintertime. In the summertime, though,
every day for twenty minutes I'm onsoon really every day,
sweeps in dumps rain, it's gone just about every day.
It's really weird. And that's high elevation seven thousand feet.
But yeah, same kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Tanya from San Jose and Carla from Huntington Beach are
uh chatting about Tanya's picture of a on azalea that
was in the newsletter. Oh yeah, and it was a
reblooming azalea. And I believe I don't know if you
know that one, but I think it's a Proven Winters azalias.

(15:36):
So I think Proven Winters is putting out some reblooming.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
What were the other ones called encorees Encore series, And
I think he planted those in my house. I think,
so a lot of Encore.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Are you Is that just before he left? Before he left, Yeah,
the last thing he did before he left. Probably.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I have a camellia that I should plant next to it,
called because they both take shade, and the camellia is
called standing ovation.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Here you next, is your blooming though yours?

Speaker 2 (16:09):
They've been They've actually blooming on and off throughout the
whole year.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Yeah, been around, and there's a lot of azalias are
looking really good, right yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
So usually it's it's like spring, a good blooming spring
like you're talking about. Then again in the fall, right,
it may be sporadic through the summer, but I'm thinking
these proven winters may be more ever blooming. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
A rhododendron's spring also spring only, Yeah, their spring only, right, Okay,
at least.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
When I grew rhododendrons, I don't know what they are. Yeah,
if there's been any different nowadays, yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Because yeah, I mean they you know, it would be
good to go right now would be the Japanese Friendship
Garden right there in Babo Park, because they have a
lot of azaleas down there and it's always looking pretty.
And if they can get the cherry bloss and the
roots and the azalias to kind of go at the
same time.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
It's magical Pruson Sharon Uh's family. I think it might
have been Moto donated the cherry trees to the Japanese
Friendship Garden.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
They've done a great job of of expanding that. I
don't know the last time that you there.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
I don't think I've ever been there. What.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yeah, Oh, you would be amazed than just going there,
wory friendly, because I've gone there over the I've gone
there over the years. It's a Japanese Friendship Garden. It's nice,
but they've they've added whole areas now that they didn't
have before, and it's it's amazing. It's amazing like that

(17:45):
you can spend probably as a as a plant enthusiast,
you could easily spend five six hours there and just
wander the whole thing and see something new and different around.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, and time to be wandering around.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Yeah, I get older.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
As you get older, Brian, five six hours of wandering
won't seem like much.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
And you'll forget when you started to wonder.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
And you're wondering why you're wondering.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah, I'm wondering why I'm wondering, can we have time
for a quick question. I see we got some questions
on you at.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
John and Newport Beach. He says he's got a question
about shade trees and ground covers. He's tried a lot
of different plants, from succulents to hostas, but nothing lives.
Next up is an ivy I think, can you comment
and recommend one? Well, first of all, hostas don't do
well in southern California, So don't try those succulents, No,

(18:49):
you don't think so.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Not in shade under a shade tree.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, but I was wondering what about some of the seatoms.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Right, But what happens is, you know they I've seen
it happen and where in the warmer months they do
grow pretty well because they do tolerate shade and they grow.
But what happens is in the winter months when it's wet,
it stays wet, and then they get real sparse, you
know what I mean. And that's what you're battling. And
so I think, like you know, he mentioned ivy vinka.

(19:17):
You know, those trailing plants are going to be your
best bet.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
We're going to take a break, right, now all right,
well discuss when we hold the same thought. You will
have to hold it, but John, you can wand to
the hallways during the break that we're going to be
back much quicker on Facebook Live, BIS Talk Radio. Taking
a break back after these messages here on Guard in America.
All right, I hope you had a good break. We
are back. Let's go back to the uh subject matter.

(19:41):
Before the break, we were talking about the shade trees
and what to grow right under Under.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Shade trees, you want a groundcover, and the biggest thing
that people.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Battle is there of sunlight lack.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Of sunlight, and it stays wet, you know, so you
you battle those two things.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Now, what about the kind of tree that shade tree?
The reason I'm bringing that up is if it's something
that drops a lot of leaves and you've got a
small leaved ground cover, isn't it going to be like
covered up and bury you?

Speaker 3 (20:11):
Right?

Speaker 2 (20:12):
So you need something a little more bigger.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Well, you talked about how it retains moisture, and if
you have leaves dropping on top of that moisture, it's
never going to dry out.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, Well, it depends how you water. Yeah, I mean,
there's a lot of in the watering.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
There's a lot of like you know, this just goes
to like the whole gardening. Like you know, if we
want to go down this rabbit hole, it's like, okay,
let's start off with is it an evergreen shade tree
or is it a deciduous shade tree, because if it's
an evergreen, like I said in my comment, you worry
about the winter, not necessarily the summer months because you
water it. Succulents grow, groundcovers grow. All is good, and

(20:48):
plants actually enjoyed living in the shade a little bit. Okay.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
John says, by the way that it's a pine tree.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Okay, so it's an evergreen. And so the issue that
I have is that even during the winter months it's
shape so you get a good rain underneath the shade tree.
That water doesn't go away for three weeks four weeks,
depending on you know, how much rain and then how
frequent it gets, so a succulent can't grow in that

(21:14):
water soil that well, you know. So it's a challenge
where if it was a deciduous tree, like you know
where maybe John was going, like a setum actually would
not do bad because it gets full sun because it
loses all the leaves in that time of the air.
And now that watering issue isn't concern.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
So so what are we gonna do under a pine?

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Under a pine? Ivy?

Speaker 2 (21:39):
But now ivy's you gotta be careful of.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, right, because they're so enthusiastic.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
What was it maybe and maybe it's like forty years
ago now, thirty forty years ago everyone had algeri and
oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Because you couldn't kill it, right, that's how plants come
into the market. It's like, oh, it's tough, it grows fast,
it does this like.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
But I'm remember going by people's homes and seeing al
cheri and ivy like almost knee high even up to
waist time. Yeah, because it would just build up on
top itself. And yeah, and then it was full of
snails and everything, and so algery and ivy s and no, yeah,
but what type of ivy? Yeah, I mean they're smaller

(22:23):
leaf ivy.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
There's a smaller leaf. And then you know, kind of
like we said, a lot of the and this is
a general term, a lot of the plain green ivys
with a smaller leaf are also very vigorous growers. So
they're you know, enthusiastic as brain.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
They don't mind the water.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, and they don't mind the water. But if you
go with a variegated foliage one, they don't grow usually
as quickly, so a little bit more manageable. That's a
good idea, you know, like if you if you found
a variegated just you know, just.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
A varrogated English ivy, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Because those don't take over as quickly as some of
the other green varieties do because they just don't grow
as quickly as a general rule. You know. The other
thing under a pine tree, and we were talking about
Japanese friendship gardens, what about a mondo grass? Usually see
those in that kind of environment, don't you do they

(23:15):
take the water? I think so, I think that might yeah,
I feel like I've seen mondo grass pine trees.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Right, maybe even what about loriope.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
The shorter ones, it would be great, that tall one
would be I.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Guess loriopy would be perfect under there. Yeah, because you
don't have to worry about the thing that worries me.
I've had bad experiences with vines.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, No, I.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Had to move from my old house because of the
cats clo.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Yeah, it was sell my house because of a vine.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, that was horrible, like the vine from hell.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
And then you know Kipskate just gave up on his
house because as of a vine.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
So so loriape loriope, that's what we pick ivy, you know,
you know those are those are gonna be good groundcovers
underneath there, and.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
I's going to start growing up the tree.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
It will you have to, yeah, Loriope, there's no And
if people are wondering what we talk about, sometimes people
pronounce it larry.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
What's its common name? Something? It has a funny common name,
I feel.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yeah, But and then there's there's different versions of it.
And then there's a variegated version of that as well,
so meaning like a more of a white in its
leave and those do not grow as aggressive either. But
I would almost say you wanted the green one.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
L I R O p E.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Right, Yeah, lily turf is the common name. Oh, lily
turf get named.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
That's an uncommon common name, you think, so, yeah, I don't.
I've never heard anybody ask for a lily turf.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
If you it's like asking for a frangio panny.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, nobody asked for franng of panny. They want Plumeria exactly. Yeah.
I think there's a lot of uncommon common uncommon common.
By the way, another plant that might do under there
that I've never seen anyone.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Use, So maybe it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
No, it does, but just nobody ever plants the outdoors.
There's a house plant called a piggyback plant. Oh yeah,
And I'm just amazed at how well that does outside.
And they they like the water, so that's not going
to bother them, and they're just kind of cute and
called the piggyback.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
We talked about that.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Who asked for this plant?

Speaker 2 (25:58):
That was John in Newport Beach More Beach.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Oh man, you have options too, because Newport Beach, because
like John mention, you know, there's actually a lot of tropicals,
you know, like house plants that people would be like, oh,
and they would grow well there because it's Newport Beach,
very mild temperatures.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
You know.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Well, there's shade shrubs you could use if you didn't
want to ground cover, like your dranges would be great, right,
beautiful yep. And you've got the acid from from the needles,
from the needles. If you want blue hygh drange, it'll yeah,
it'll help to keep them blue.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Yeah, you know, and pine trees are great trees. I
love when people have pine trees on their properties because
I think they're very pretty trees. But it's it's a
tough mess to clean up.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
We have pine trees everywhere in Pacific Beach back ye
growing up and one street in particular Olive Oliver Oliver
Street east and west. So you've got Pacific Beach dry
running east and west going north a couple of blocks
or a block to Oliver and probably for eight nine
blocks on both sides of the street, pine trees growing over,

(27:09):
almost touching each other, over the street, over the street,
creating shade. Yeah, but you're right, it's a mess.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
And it's not like you know, a liquid amber mess
where they fall down. You rake up the leaves into
a big pile and you jump in it, and that's fun.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
You know.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Pine trees ye are messy after a windstorm and you
can't really rake up the leaves very easily and they
aren't fun to jump into, and they're very pointy and
sharp and you can't walk around barefoot. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
I have some pine tree mult I'm using on the hillside.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Love it.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, Jan and Brentwood mentions that she call capital letters
hates fines. Oh yeah, And I hope she's not talking
about climbing roses, because I have a feeling she may
like climbing rose But yeah, vines, you've got to have.

(28:04):
You know, right now, people walking down the street all
stop and comment because on the fence are some primrose jasmine.
The pink jasmine, I should say, not primrose jasmine, but
pink jasmine, all in bloom, all in bloom.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Man can't avoid it because it's so fragrant.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Right. And somebody mentioned the other day it was out
there working and and you know, if I ever feel
like I need a little pick me up and I
want to compliment, I just go out there and work,
and people coming by tell me what a good job
I'm doing a job, job, your garden looks great. But anyway,
last week somebody there was a group of ladies on

(28:44):
their walk and they said, they said, you know, we
were coming up from down the hill and this a
roam I came to us because the wind was blowing
blow just straight, and it blew the fragrance of that
jasmine down to him. So they were they were pleased
with that.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Yeah, and the only the only bummer, not the only bummer,
but the big bummer to that is that it all
blooms at once, and so you get this massive bloom.
Everything's magical for about a month for about a month,
but then the flowers all die and turn brown and
then they stay. Yeah, so it looks everybody thinks that

(29:24):
your plant has died, when it's just the flowers are
dead and you can't you know, a normal plant like
like regular star jasmine, would be what we call self cleaning,
where the flower just falls off and you don't even notice.
You don't even notice a flower is dead because it
just falls off and new flowers take its place. These
ones just stay on the plane.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, they don't fall off.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
It looks like a looks it looks like a dead
tumbleweed is on your fence.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Now it is break time again. Already?

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Are you cutting them?

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (29:53):
No? Double check right here looking at it. You know
why because when we don't have a guest talking about
a lot of subjects, quickly time goes by. Okay, people
are enthralled by what's happening. We're going to take a break, speaking.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Of all time. What's that there's a sign as time
goes for the Rolling Stones, I sit and watch as
tears go by, As time tears go by.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
That was Mary unfaithful.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yes, Rolling Stones did it also, but they wrote it
for her. Yes. Okay, we're going to take a break
speaking of the Rolling Stones. BIS Talk Radio. This breaks
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(30:40):
It all starts here and filters out. This is, by
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Tiger's face right now.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
We okay, we have a ton of comments.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Okay, good, we should votes.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Let's get back to me, because, uh, what are you
waiting for?

Speaker 2 (31:01):
I wanted to mention though quickly, because you were talking
about the Rolling Stones, is that you're a lot more
successful now collecting moss Now that you stopped using though.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
That's true. You know they're going to go back on
tour next year. They're going to change their name to
the Strolling Bones.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
I always thought you were going to say the Grateful Death.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Let's get to those questions.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
We do have a question. I don't know if you
saw it though, back about rhododendron.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Yeah, one, let's do that one right now. Yeah, okay,
the leaves are curling in. Speaking of rhododendron, the leaves
on mine started curling in. Not sure what's happening, but
I like that. I want to read the replies real quick, John,
while you can think of your reply. Carla wrote, they
don't like text time.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
That's why they're curling.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah, and then Lisa wrote they're under redwood trees, so
she gave us some more context about it.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
So, uh, under redwood trees is a good place for them.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yeah, I love they love that area. Rhododendrons.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
The things that make rhododendron leaves or curl that I
recall one is extra cold weather they kind of curl,
and then sometimes the old leaves do that just before
the new ones are coming out. So the thing to watch,
I guess would be whether it's the new leaves that

(32:29):
are curling or if it's the old ones. If the
old ones are curling, I wouldn't worry. Make sure that
the new ones are coming out right, and they come
out right at bloom time.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
And kind of like what John mentioned earlier in the show,
a lot of the reasons why that will happen is
because we will go from warm to cold to warm
to cold, and it doesn't give that leaf a time
the time to adapt. And so, you know, we had
some warm weather the leaves came out, you know, and
then we had a cold snap, you know, and then

(33:00):
that's where the leaves curled. And you know, now, like
John mentioned, we're gonna have some warm weather come along, and.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
John calls that shrinkage and uh and uh, you know,
it could happen again because it could get cold again.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Because to answer two comments with one answer answer would
be Dana's question about if we're if the rain is
over and no, because it's April, you know April, and
we still have May, and we still do get a
substantial amount of rain through the spring. It doesn't come

(33:35):
like you know, normal, like it'll be just like one
rain and then dry for three weeks and then one
rain and then drive for three weeks. But that could
bring cold weather with it too sometimes, so we're not
out of the we're not out of the clear in
terms of no rain and no cold. And when when
we say cold too, this is cold to us is

(33:57):
kind of like what John said in the what was
it six? What did you say it got? We were
it was really cold, it was and it was sixty.
People people laugh because when they are back east and
they're like, oh, it was a cold snap, it's the forties.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Or like colder, you know, we can it's sharks and
t shirt weather back there.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, traditionally where I live night time, it's in the
forties forty two, forty three, forty five. Lately, Yeah, you're
probably a little cooler, right, No, he'm in.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
The high forties.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah, he's got a specially fifties because he's also situated
up high. If he was down in the valley, you
know areas, I think it would get colder. Yeah, right,
you know, but you're up high there that you don't
get affected as much by that. So so yeah, so
I think that answered two questions with one answer.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Lanar mentioned that a redwood red bud trees are blooming
and mine are two. Now I love red butts. Yeah,
and I like the new ones with the We've talked
about it before, but with different colored leaves. You know,
there's one called Rising Sun with shartru slaves, which I
really like, and then another one called Fall Festival something

(35:08):
like that, but it got multicolored leaves and it just
looks like fall colors throughout the whole season. Then let's see.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
I want to John and Bonnie's wisteria.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, I was gonna mention there was a picture of
John and Newport Beach his whysteria plant that was in
full bloom right now, Yeah, and what do you want
to read about how he planted it? Is that what
you were going to do?

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Yeah? Yeah, so they had said, planted the wisteria after
a visit to the mission in Santa Barbara in the
spring decades ago. Amazing, fragrant and great cover. Great to
cover the outdoor patio, cover shade in the summer, open
in the winter. Flowers are an easter treat. And you know,
I will say that kind of like comment regarding I,

(36:00):
you know, vines, Wisterias are magical, absolutely beautiful growing vines.
You put them up. You see the pictures all the time.
You go to a botanical garden where they're just growing
over a patio and the flowers are dangling there just beautifully.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
You know.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
The main reasons I moved to California really, Yeah, because
in Michigan they're marginally hardy.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
And I planted a tree with steria, which you never
saw a tree Whysteria's in Michigan at least fifty years ago,
and so everybody wanted one.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
I planted one of my parents' house and it was.
It sat there for and grew for probably five years,
six years. Finally it put out but one spring and
everyone was excited to see these wisteria blooms and they
got to be you know, as they align gated. They
were probably about three inches long, and we got a

(37:03):
killing freeze and I said, I just can't take this anymore.
I'm believing. Yeah, that's one of the reasons.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
I mean, they're just everybody sees him in magazines. You
see them all the time. But I will say they
require a good amount of maintenance to make them look
and be controlled, because a lot of times they'll plant
them over that and then they get very like viny
through everything. And you know, but a good, well maintained

(37:32):
wisteria is magical. It really is magical, you know. I
mean you can't you can't beat it.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
What there's the one up in is it Laverne or
what do you mean in the up in that area area? Yeah,
there's one in somebody's backyard that's famous.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Oh, I don't know, it's not sure.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
I think it's like a hundred year old vine or
something like that. And people come from all over to
see you.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
And you know, the wood, the wood trunk on them
is always so cool looking. They remind me of like
that's where you would want to put like the little
fairy houses is on like a wisteria trunk.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
You know, it is break time already, Tiger. Oh my god,
I thought i'd hate you with that. You clock, you
can check the clock. So we're going to take a
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(38:31):
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(38:53):
on track and start things over again.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
John, we come back from a break. Does that mean
that the break broke.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
No, but you can remember this when news breaks that.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
You're going to say, a kiss is just a kiss.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
The smile is just a smile. No, when news breaks, right,
we fix it all right, how about that? Okay, back
to your questions your comments here on Facebook Live and
bistok R.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
You have a citrus question from our Huntington Beach reporter.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Okay, then pucker up. Here we go.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Carla Tiger. She says, what are the brown and black
flex that stick to the skin of citrus fruit? And
she said they scrape off easily and it doesn't hurt
the fruit, but it's just annoying. She said. She's thinking
it might be from white flies. What do you think.
I wouldn't think white flies, I would think more scale, right.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Yeah, usually it is scale, you know, that's very c
Scale's pretty common, very common. You know, a lot of
people don't even notice it on the trunk. They just
don't even know they have that.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Because if it's brown scaled the same color as the trunk,
it looks.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Exactly like you know, stam in the trunk of the trees.
And a lot of people don't even realize they have it.
And then they they they you know, I show them,
I just scrape it off. I'm like, look at see
this is all these are all bugs. It's just a
hundred present covered.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
And by the time it gets to the fruit, though,
you got a problem.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
You have a huge problem. Yeah, And so you know
this is where this is where uh we we cross
paths with people, because if it is on the fruit,
like you mentioned, John, you have a problem. This isn't
this isn't just like oh, wash it off with some
soap and you're good to go. This is it would

(40:40):
be good to use this systemic treatment, you know, or
suffocate it, right Yeah, yeah, yeah, you'd have to be
out there, you know again every week spraying it, treating it.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
The oils are pretty effective.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
Yeah, I know, because so pillowstone work.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Brian tried suffocating his with a pillow did.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Not it worked for a while.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
So yeah, so you know, there's a lot of sprays
for scale. There's the systemic treatments which are pretty easy
to do, and it'll treat that for the scale too.
But yes, it's scale, and that's if it's on the fruit.
That means it's pretty extensive through the whole plant. You
can probably start looking at.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
When you say, people don't even realize they have it
before getting onto the fruit and you start scraping, is
it because there's so much there it just looks like
one color exactly, and it just looks like it's like
it's part of the tree.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Yes, yeah, exactly. They're not one or two here or there.
It's all over it. You don't even realize it. So yeah,
so I think it's scale and it probably is pretty uh,
pretty extensive.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Rick and star Idaho wants enough we answered a question
from last week. I think at the end of the
show last week, he asked if plan it's know the
difference between chemical fertilizers and organic fertilizers at the micro level.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Sorry, what Well I was reading I looked up and
you were looking straight at me.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Well, let me ask you. This isn't a chemical fertilizer
one that would go right directly onto the plant itself,
and an organic fertilizer would go into the soil so
it would seek out as opposed to being drenched with it.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Well, yes, I don't know if that has anything to
do with this question was asking. I mean, well, at
the micro level, I think he wants to know when
they go to You know, plants feed on nutrients right right,
So when it comes down to it, do they know
the difference between chemical and organic organic and a plant

(42:51):
root cannot take up an organic molecule. It can only
take up like nitrate. Nitrates would be the form of
nitrogen they would take up. But what happens is that
with with organic foods, they need to be work done

(43:11):
by the soil micro organisms, who will change them to
a form that the plant can take up. With the
chemical fertilizer, it doesn't need to be changed. It just
goes straight into the plant, whether it's through the foldge
or through the roof, right and on the way it
kills the soil, bacterial.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
The good stuff, the good ones.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Good to ask if a plant knows the difference. No,
but it does make a difference, you know what I mean, because,
like you're saying, the way the plant just knows it
is like the nitrate, whether it's the chemical or the organic,
because it's already what it is. But you know the what,
the way it's absorbed in, how it's taken up by

(43:58):
the plant, it it makes a huge difference.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
It would be like if you were in a spaceship.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Okay, here we go, Yeah, let's do.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
This, and and you were breathing in the oxygen in
the spaceship, would your body know the difference between whether that.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
Was great example, whether that was air.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
That was coming from inside the spaceship or just or
just natural air. If you were down on Earth, it
would not until exactly until you stop producing oxygen, and
then then your body would know the difference.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
So we're talking about the way that it's how it's
absorbed in, right, if the plant is aware.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah, your body would still be absorbing the oxygen whether
you're on Earth in.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
A space here's a bad analogy that John's gonna go.
That's just silly. Okay, but let me ask you this,
would it be like.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Well, they say silly instead of stupid.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
I'll let's see. Let's find out. How about your getting treated, right,
and you're given an injection of something, okay, okay, you're
also given the same thing to drink.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Does your body know that it was injected or you
drank it because it's going to absorb it the same
way when it is an injection.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Why you get treatments and what is injections Because if
your body drinks it, it goes through a filtration process
where some of that stuff would not even be affect.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
As opposed to directly getting an injection to the bloodstream, right,
it doesn't get filtered out.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
It goes straight into your blood exactly. That is a
dumb question. No, I was just kidding.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
It wasn't. I wasn't really questioning. It was more like
an analogy. I should have said an analogy, not a question.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Yeah. No, But it's very different because the the organic
versus chemical fertilizers that they are nitrogen, phosphorus or potash.
At the end of the day, the plants just know
them as that. But you know whether it's organic or
whether it's chemical, it's also going to effect on you know,

(45:49):
how how it affects the plant later on, how it
affects the soil later on, and in other things you
know that we've talked about.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
So is we talk about chemical directly onto a plant,
no thinking involved, it just it just has it. Yea,
So how is that analogy like when we apply certain
products that are a miracle and and it it just
goes directly, goes directly onto that. But it's an abnormal growth, right,

(46:18):
It's a little too quick for the plant, and that
that's why you have thin cell walls, because.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
You're passing the root system and going directly. Okay, Yeah,
Like you guys were just talking about, it would be
a difference whether you took it.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
A shot orally yeah, or you got a.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Shop yeah if you if you eat well, it passes
to your body filters and it distributes it naturally through
your body. Or you can just get it straightly injected
into you. It doesn't pass your but you get that
quick little whoa. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yeah, but it could be a sugar fix which might
taste good.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Oh, by the way, speaking of that, what was it
two weeks ago that you gave us the box of
seas candy. Oh yeah, it was a whole box the
treat so I do one today.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
It's supposed to be vitamins.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
You do that. The point is a certain amount of
discipline that's going into this, because when you open that up,
one's never.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Enough right one day you limit yourself to one.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
And Yester, I didn't have any yesterday. But we're making
our way through them, is it?

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Well? What happens is when you're done with the box,
then what do you do?

Speaker 1 (47:23):
I smell it, keep it run out that you might go, you.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Might need to go get another one.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
I put it on the counter and just absorb all
the nice smells. Okay, next question.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Cony Rick pointed out that Whysteria was talking about was
in Sierra Madre.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
Good note.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Oh there was a movie right.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
The Wisteria of Sierra Matri.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
You don't need those stink on badges.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
John. By the way, Tiger City agreed with everything you
said about the Whysteria. He said that takes some work,
but it's magical and worth it. You know what I
was thinking? My favorite done well anyway, bone size is
probably a with stereo tree.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
You see, I've never seen that.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Little little tiny bone Sye pot with this miniaturized with
stereo tree in bloom talk about magical times.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Yeah, yeah, they're phenomenal. Okay we are Can we take
so much patience and energy? Did you? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:18):
If any of our listeners want to see that, if
you just google with stere a bone Sie, I think
you'd be shocked. I've I had the good fortune to
see a couple in full bloom in bone size shows
and they were amazing.

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Bistalk Radio Facebook Live. All Right, the fun and games continue,

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and so we continue here on Garden America. We're glad
you could join us. We do this every week here,
every Saturday.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
In case you're wondering, Hey, Jan in Brentwood, California mentioned
how great her roses were looking, you know, everything coming
out in bud and bloom, and I wanted to mention
to our listeners that Jan has one, probably maybe even
the country, but for sure in California, one of the

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best rose collections in the entire state. I would have
to I'd go so far as to say the entire
country approaching, if not over now two thousand different varieties
of roses.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
How big is the property?

Speaker 2 (49:38):
I know she used to be horse property.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Okay, well, there you go.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
And I think that's part of the reason why are
roses do.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
So well because of all that fertilizers.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Yeah, a lot of them are as. I recall her
she has planted in old horse corrals.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Yeah, well, there you go.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Maybe you can answer this one quickly. But Ronica was
asking does a wisteria tree require as much work as
the vine? Just asking for a friend like John? And
John can answer this because I'm.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Just asking for a friend, So it depends. I guess
you know in cold climates where you yeah, they're just
marginally hardy. They're not going to grow as fast, so
I don't I'm trying to think, have you ever seen
one in California with stereo trees?

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Besides that your house?

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Do I have one?

Speaker 3 (50:34):
I thought you had one. No, boban bea trees what
I'm thinking of? Sorry, No, I have not.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
I seem to recall seeing and maybe some of our
listeners are seen with stereo trees here in California.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
We used to sell them up at our nursing alpine though.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yeah, I remember that, so you do. They do need
heavy pruning every year, as I recall, to keep them,
uh just from going. Otherwise it's a vine on a step.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Yeah, so there they are tough to get going. But
once I imagine once you get it, it five years
down the road.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Like a bone side, you know, needs to be trained.
This isn't as dramatic, but the same thing, just some pruning,
uh probably after it blooms every year. Cut it back.
People commenting on the cameras. Some like the cameras Carolyn
and Carolyn likes it when it shows all three of us,

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but Tanya likes the close ups too.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Kevin's comments on super Thrive, Now, we we haven't hit
this in a long time because it just hasn't come up.
But products like super Thrive and then what was it
B one B B one, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
The super Thrive originally Wisconsin traded B one yeah, which
does virtually nothing for the planet except smell. But I
think as people became smarter and realized this is no good,
they they added micronutrients to the formula. So now it

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works as far as adding the micronutrients. Yeah, did he
have a question on.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
That, No, he just what what did we think of it?
And and so kind of like back to kind of
what you said, is that it's a good product in
the sense that adds micro nutrients kind of like not.
We definitely like HB one on one much better, you know,
in terms of like an anti shock.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
We've seen results.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
You know that all of that kind of goes with
HB one on one and it's supposed to kind of
be similar to super Thrive in that way. But then
people like you say, will say, oh, just go by
B one and you know B one they used it
as a root stimulator. They rus it uses anti shock.
It's it's not it's not effective in that you don't

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find it as much on the market. So so to
answer your question, you know, it's not it's not a
terrible product, but.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
B one does nothing. But if it has micronutrients, the
micro nutrients.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Well, yeah, there was another one I wanted to hit.
I'm trying to think, where do we go my red
bed trees booming.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
It's very quiet, I know, very quiet.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
There's a lot of questions. It's just tough for us
to keep up on all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Sometimes I see a few people questioning or making comments
about lavenders, actually lavenders and rosemaries. But I had a
and I don't know if they were hard to get
for a while, but I just found one last week
at home depot and ended up buying a I forget

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what they call it. They changed the name because the
original name of this lavender was so bad. I don't
think anybody would remember it. But do you guys sell
mirlow were low like no wine, no mirror low.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Now the name was m W E R l O mirl.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
It's the variegated lavender, okay, that never flowers? Why but
I don't know. Yeah, but the leaves are I may
so fragrant, I think the most fragrant of any lave.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Okay, so you buy it for the fragrance of the leaves.
Variegation really really pretty. Yeah, if you look at look
it up. I know home Depot would change the name.
Whoever's growing it for him said, let's market it under
this name. But if you look it up on the internet,

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I think you'll see how attractive it is.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
But anyway, I I had one in my old house
on pepper Tree and Fallbrook, and since I moved, I've
been looking for it and haven't found it, And then
all of a sudden, there's a hundreds of them at
home depot.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
I do like the hybrid lavender is much better than
some of the originals because, you know, they it seems
like they grow a little. They're a little easier to grow.
You know. One of the problems with lavenders is you
know they'll die out, you know, or they just get
too big. Yeah, and they just get too big. You
can't you can't prune them, you know. You know, it's

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not like a Mexican stage where you just cut it
back and then it regrows.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
There's very few plants and lavenders one of them where
you print it and it's exactly if you print it wrong,
wrong year.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
So I really do like the newer varieties. And when
customers ask me for lavenders and they you know, they
want the Goodwin Creek, they want the you know, French lavender,
English lavendar, I go let's let's try this, because like
we like just said, like they end up getting too big,
you can't prune them, they end up dying out early.

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And so I do like what they've done with the
new lavenders.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Diane mentioned she lost some of her really old lavenders
this year old. You know, there's some I've noticed that
some of the bigger ones that get woody are the
Spanish lavender's, French lavender, some of the warm weather lavenders.
But some of the English lavenders that I saw in
Germany were I thought spectacular. They were, they were more graceful,

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but they don't do as well in warm climates.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Yeah. Yeah, that is the thing too, is you know
people want people say, oh I want to grow like
a lavender field, and you know, yeah, well you must.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Go through that a lot, not really the spot for it,
setting up landscaping, and people want this, they want that,
and then you're like, what a maintenance. Yeah, it's not
going to do well here, or they talk you into
it and then they come back and say, hey it died.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
The biggest thing for us in San Diego's bolgun Villa.
Everybody wants bolgun Villa until they have.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Until they have it. We're gonna take a break on that. No,
two more segments coming up. Got a long segment coming
up and a shorter one to end the show. So
do stay with us obviously here on Garden America, Bistalk Radio,
Facebook Life. We are coming back. It is Garden America
because we're going to continue to grow until the show
is over. Yes, indeed, we are back this segment and
one more John, This is long, the longer segment, So

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whatever you need to do, do it now. A lot
of question time wise, not length toys right time wise.
We have ten minutes and twenty seven seconds with this segment.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Lenar is not gonna forget this question for you, tiger. Okay,
she wants to know where her discount is on fertile.
Oh my goodness, she said, you were going to check
into that.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yeah, it's already Well I found out that it was
already discounted. Basically, the price is the price that you
see is a discounted price.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
It's such a good price they'd have to give it
away for one any lower.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Yeah, yeah they did. It's a discount of what you
see is the Garden America kind of Fertilan price.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
So do you want to give out your home phone
numbers so Lenark can call you directly.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
But really we do we do encourage you to support Fertilan.
That's why we're on the air. Yeah, basically, yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
So yeah, I mean you know that I will say
kind of like to what Brian's saying, the discount price,
that not that we are avoiding. Okay, we want you
to support Furlough because you know they do support us,
and so to discount it would be a challenge.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
But I will say, she just wants like a coupon,
you know, yeah, maybe like a fifty coupon. Could she
at least have a.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
How about how about an a but.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
The percent off if she drives step from Canyon Country
down to your nursery.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
I'll give her a bottle of something then for sure.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
But but the nice thing about Furlough products is that
they have a very low price on their products already
because they they they bypass a lot of things that
other companies don't do in the.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Middle and they did the manufacturing and marketing all.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Of that exactly that you know, I found this like,
just to give you an example, their product, the slug
and snail bait. Okay, there's a company money that puts
it under the same the same product. They put it
under the name Slugo. When you go to buy slug O,
you know, let's say it's twelve dollars on the shelf,

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the same product from Fertilom is you know, nine dollars,
and it's because you know, Monterey has marketing and they
have other people to pay for the product and everything else.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
There's a lot of people in between before it gets
on the shelf.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
Yeah, and so Furtilom, you know, to avoid all that,
you know, they do their own packaging, marketing and manufacturing
that they can already sell it for cheaper. And there's
the other product out there from uh, you know, we
we we've talked about it along a lot of times too.
From it was Boneye who did the Captain Jacks? Who

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was it Bonite?

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
I don't know because I Captain Jack's was after my
retail experience.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
So yeah, so you know, another kind of a similar product,
you know, Captain Jack's spinosid. You know, all those kind
of spinosid based products came out, and again Fertilo has
the same product and sometimes they're even better. They have
the insects and Cidal soap one, and they're much cheaper

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than than the ones that you find on the shelf.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
So there's your discount. Yeah, yeah, build.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
The bottom line is if she'll make a trip with
her truck down to see Tiger, he'll give her a
one time discount, Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
He said, a bottle of something. Yeah, I can't give
her a bottle of some bottle.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Of My favorite product from there is there's Spinosid soap,
you know, chewing insects, sucking insects. It's a great you
it's a great product to have in your arsenal when
you have a garden.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Absolutely so.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Spinoza soilap is probably like my favorite product from them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
All right, John, what do we got?

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Kevin says that, uh, Kevin and Cordelaine Cordelaine, Kevin.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Quardlaine, Kevin Cardline.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Kevin says that HORSEMANEU doesn't stink. So how nutrient rich
is it versus colmanir?

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Well, first of all, if you're talking about meth he's
talking about methane.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
I don't think he is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Yeah, I think I was talking about the manure itself.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
But care has got a lot of methane. Don't give
me the eyes. Don't give me the eyes, you know what,
whenever he's throwing off, I get the eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
What about chicken manir Well, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
There's no methane, but it stinks. It stinks for a
different reasons. It's like people. People can still.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
The point I was going to bring up Brian that
I think he might be referring to is if the
worse it smells, the better it is, which is not
true right now. Yah, So odor has nothing to do
with the effect I'm just okay, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
What, Let's let's get by this, because that's not what
I was referring to. I was talking about methane and
calmineure versus other manures.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
I'm not talking about that. Now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
We're gonna get a orange show.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
I'm not putting the bad mouth on what you said
at all. I think you took that personally and I
didn't mean it, and if you did, I apologize.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
We'll talk about it later, all right, and then I'll
take it in my room.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
But that's because there's a point to all this, right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
The point is that the smell has nothing to do
with the effectiveness, and and it is much a much
better fertilizer because uh horse MANI because it has alfalfa
in it, which is contains a rooting hormone, and that's

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not as much in comminar.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
And if you think about the manures, whether it be
chicken or horse or cow or worm castings or anything else,
I'm sure you.

Speaker 6 (01:03:10):
Do well, but think about what they think about what
they eat, because that's that's exactly, that's the product, right,
that's what goes in comes out exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
And you know, like John mentioned, horses eat more alfalfa
and they have less stomachs, so the end product is yeah,
and so the end product is actually a better manure
product as opposed to you. Right, well, no, but that's
not terrible because they eat is one of the best

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eat all kinds of bugs and good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
But you have to make sure it's compost, it's chicken
or convern super hot.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Yeah, you know where a whore or a cow number one,
A lot of places where they get the manure from
is going to be just four fed cows. So it's
not always like the best product that they're eating.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Does manure always come from the same.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
Stories, you know, I'm talking about the cows eating. Oh okay, and.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
You got to explain yourself. I get it, I know,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
And then they have multiple stomachs, and then at the
end of the day their product is not as valuable.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
So then a cow, instead of like we'll say I'm full, right,
a cow would say.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
We're full because they have multiple stomachs. Yes, we're full,
because you're referring to just your one stomach when you
say your my stomach.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Doesn't make sense, cow, I can't stomach stomachs. It doesn't
make sense because cows can't talk.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
You know. Let me tell you about cows. There was
a bunch of cows in the distance one time we
were driving and they were standing up like us, and
then a cow yeah, and a cow looked over and
said car. And they all went back down to grazing
on all fours.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
And the point is, do you get it? It affects
the manure?

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
No, I like the Chick fil a cow posts or
build boards the best eat chicken. Yet more chicken, more chicken?

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Okay, So are we done with the potty talk? Is
there anything else we want to talk?

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Podcast?

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
I felt I've kind of felt bad. You remember cow pots,
do you remember?

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
You remember that company yeah, they were just on Shark Tank.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Really yeah, a new run, an old one.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
I feel it was new. I feel like it was
Newishly just saw it and so, you know, not super
great success I think for for them, but I mean
it's a you know, mom and pop shop and it's
a great product. And the the biggest thing that I
thought was really cool was that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Now these are just the regular pots that were made
out of cow manure, right, Yes, because there was an
Amish company that had pot it's made out of manure
that were in shapes like you might have a bunny.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
And so it's a bunny maneuver pot.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
It's a bunny manure pot.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
Yeah, that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
Yeah, I forget.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
But these were just pots made out of kalmnure, right,
that you would use to plant your seedlings and then
you can just plant the pot. But the cool thing
about it is the reason why they were on Shark
Tank and trying to expand their line is they're like,
you know, there's only so many pots you can sell.
But they went into more other forms of packaging, you know,
so like those cardboard forms that they use in like

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electronic packaging or wine bottles or whatever it is. They
wanted to expand into that market to be able to
kind of expand their company.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Wine bottles made out of no.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Not wine bottle, the packaging, Like they'll put wine in
a box and in order to not have them move around,
they'll put one of those cardboard forms.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
And like a case of wine and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Common.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
Well, yeah, because they just make those out of like
the paper pulp right now, so they can easily make
that out of the cammenur.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
And then you could uh throw that garden.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
Yeah. Well, they were saying that anybody invest I I
couldn't watch the d but they were thinking about it.
But it wasn't there. There was one what's his name,
mister wonderful he was in he was in uh negotiations.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Kevin, Yes, yeah, I think no he did.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
He didn't wine.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
He likes wine. He did invest, but it wasn't a
great It wasn't a great thing, Like not all of
them wanted to invest.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
He didn't give him what he wanted. Probably, Okay, we're
gonna take a break on that one. More segments a
short segment small sec.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
I wanted to ask about Lama Minora when we come.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Back, that and any other manure we can we can
get into that too, very very interesting topic. Back after
these messages on Biss Talk Radio. All right, this is
it the the last segment, the round of applause.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
Comments come in or sometimes I feel like I'm lost
right while reading comics.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Right, yeah, you know, right at the break, I mentioned
lama manure that was popular for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
It's lama yeah, win, what about alpaca manure?

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Well along those lines, Brian, right, be kind of the same.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Because John, they're commenting here, I highly recommend Sea Coast
Composts new product in California from Oregon uses fish waste.
I think that's where a lot of the ocean forest
gets their benefits from his fish waste. What about that?
What about what about fish manure?

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
What about it?

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Sounds fishy to me, Brian the I'm trying to to
fight the questions again. I yeah, just lost myself here
for a second, but I'm back. Let's see, we're done
with manures, right, yeah, we mentioned the speaking of manures
now that I think we're apparently no, no, I I

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think I've mentioned this before, but when I was working
in the garden center in Michigan, there was a product
called dry canore which was turkey manure.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
And gobbling it up, weren't they?

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Oh yeah, I'll tell you. It smelt so bad even
in the in the bag. Nobody wanted to stack that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Oh goodness, but it was it worked really well.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Okay, I think it's linorious that the question can you
grow clematists from seed? The answer is yes, most things
from seed. Yeah. But the thing is, since all clematists,
or virtually all clemitists that are sold are hybrids, what

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you get from seed will not be the same, may
not be the same as what your plant.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
Yeah. That's why if you look at that clements and
seed packages, a lot of times they'll be like, you know,
clematis whatever, and on the package they'll show different flower colors.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Oh do they have seed packages? Yeah, I've never seen that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Reason different ones because you don't know what.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
You know what you're gonna get.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Yeah, exactly, Well I learned something new today. I can
leave Brian.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Yeah. Or like they'll do that with morning glory sometimes too,
where they'll have like the morning glory, but it'll have
like different color.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Well the flowers those are just mixed seeds though, but
mixed package.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
But I mean even then, like sometimes you don't know
what you're gonna get, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
No, the mix package, but right, yeah, yeah, well because
morning Glories can buy by variety.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Right, But what I was getting at is sometimes they'll
just put them into a grouping. And that's what they
do with climatis is they won't put them all as one.
They'll put them into a grouping, and you just don't
know what you can.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
I get it. I followed you from the beginning.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
John, still reading. There's a lot of chatter that went
all of it, and then even I think they commented
on someone commented on a horse maneuver. It needs to
be broken down and composted. That is the thing. You know.
You know a lot of people that live in uh
rural areas will be like, oh, you know, there's a

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farm and I'll go pick up manure, whether it is
cow or sheep or horse or whatever. But it needs
to be composted because if you put direct any direct
maneuver into the garden, well it's it's not fully composted yet.
So it's what we call hot. It burns plants, and
it needs to be composted before you incorporated into your beds.

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So just be careful with that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
And then if veronic co ONTs to know tiger, what
is fertilo funge just site five?

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
She said that it was showing up on the screen,
but it has a sticker on her screen and she
can't see what it says.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
Oh, it's there, it's there. Fungicide that they have, it's
called fungicide five. And you would use it as for russ,
for powdery mildew, for black spot, for you know, I
can't remember the exact five ways rust, powdery mildew, black spot,

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and then there were two other specific fungal issues that
it's really really good for. I I think it took
the place of do you remember serenade? Yeah, I think
it took the place of serenade because you can no
longer get serenade. But it was a fungicide and it's

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a topical spray, so you know, when.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
You serenade was a backter, so and I think that
that that's the same thing. Yeah, that was pretty effective.

Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
It was. I don't know what happened to the serenade product, right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
So, but it's a product he did want, Brian.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Yeah, it's a products. It's in the top corner. It's
our little a little corner corner bug is what we
call it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Yeah, Rick remembers back in the day Doctor Earth used
to be on the show once in a while, Yeah,
and once to know if he's still in business. I
think did he sell out? The actor sold out?

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Right, Milo? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I
don't know if he's sold out, like meaning like if
he's not involved anymore, but he did, he did sell
out of like going to hit the bottles, you know,
Basilla's ammy. Look, Fascians strain right there.

Speaker 7 (01:14:04):
That's easy for you to say, yeah, exactly, Wow, Yeah,
look at that bunge side five, John, let's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
See Ammi Lak fashions.

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
There you go, bunge side five.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Yeah, five. As much as you're just saying.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
That's why they that's why they came up with that name, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
I think it's fascinating when you can find bacteria that
perform functions like that. You know, like there's back Turia
BT kills uh caterpillars, and then another one of our sponsors,
Bacillis israeliensis kills mosquito.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Yeah, you gotta go.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
Quicide five can also be a soil drench for fungal
root root fungal issues.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
There we're going to leave you on that note. That's
a good note to be left on. All right, thank
you for tuning in. Have have yourself, a great rest
of your weekend, a good week, be safe. We're back
here next week.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
Right, yep, we think, uh, what do I say?

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Ridculous road.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
Ulous?

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
All right, there you go so again, enjoy yourself, have
a good rest of your weekend, a good week, a
safe week. We'll do it again, back here next week
with Guard in America Brian May and John Begnasco Tiger Pelafox.
Get growing America, right, Joh

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