Winter Gardening Tips - Garden America Podcasts and Radio Show [11.2.24] - Garden America - Gardening Podcast & Talk Radio Show

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, good morning, one and all. We are back in studio.
Welcome to Garden America. I say good morning, but perhaps
you're listening to this show, maybe on a pre recorded basis,
and you may say to yourself, good morning. It's one
thirty in the morning when I'm listening, But for those
that are watching and listening live, it is good morning,
back with Garden America. I'm Brian Maine, John Beg Nasco,
Tiger Pella Fox.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
A minute, there's nobody sitting in John seat.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Where'd he go? He Is he in Texas? I could
just morn he was here just a minute. I thought
he was.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Maybe we're just kind of used to seeing him there. Yeah,
and maybe just a ghostly image. Now John's in Texas,
but I forgot why.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
I mean, why does anybody visit Texas? You know what?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
It's interesting the last few times that he's been absent
from the show. We know where he is, but we
don't know why.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
He's always what is it you say, he's off on assignment. Oh, yeah,
he's off on assignment. You know what.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
That's another radio thing you've heard for years? Yeah, so
and says here, but so and so is off on assignment,
which just means he's taken the day off. Just a
nice way of we want they want people to think
that they're still working.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, exactly, he might be.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Does he have any sons, anybody from his family in Texas?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, oh yeah, Well that's it then, yeah, Joe moved
to Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Okay, that's it. Yeah, Joe moved to Texas. So for
the rest of you listening on BIS Talk Radio and
Facebook Live, welcome, and as myself Brian Mayntiger Pella Fox,
we'll keep the oars in the water this morning and
move this a little both. This what we call Garden
America down the river. It is open phones, open phones.
How about that for a blast in the past. Open

(01:34):
phones we did. We used to take phone calls. What
I meant to say is open comments on Facebook Live, so.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
You know your comments about keeping the oars in the water.
There's a there's a line that John wrote in this
week's newsletter that I was I was reading through and
I thought this was very just funny. Despite John's absence,
both hosts will be fully present for this Saturday's edition
of Garden in America Radio Sure Show and you're doing

(02:00):
a lively and informative session for gardening enthusiasts.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
As opposed to like halfway present, they'll be fully, fully present,
fully and that's when the newsletter. In case you do
get the newsletter or want the newsletter, just go to
our website Guardamerica dot com sign up for the newsletter.
I believe everything is right there on the homepage. But
so John is off today, and I said open phones.
What I meant to say is, we don't have a
guest today.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Right, we don't have a guest today, And.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Open comments, open subject matter whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Use the chat in Facebook to be able to kind
of ask any questions. But the fun thing I thought
we would do today is I pulled a bunch of
news articles, some recent, some some old ones and some
new new ones about some gardening things that I thought
were fun topics to begin to discuss. Because out there

(02:48):
in the news and as we talk about it, even
our program, we have our own opinions on things. Doesn't
mean they're always one hundred percent correct, So maybe maybe
they don't align with your opinion on how to do something,
but it is an opinion based on years of experience
and what we feel should be done in order to

(03:09):
guarding correctly or you ensure success. But there's also a
lot of information out there on the internet on other
people's opinions, right, so it's always kind of fun to
kind of prouse through those and see what other people
are saying.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
You know, if somebody might say, in my opinion, it's
best to hold back water on this particular plant, yeah,
somebody else would say, I never hold back water on
that particular plant. I always water it because there's always
that little margin of error. What works well for you
in a certain area or micro climate does not necessarily
work in another one, even though you might be talking

(03:46):
about the same plant. Now, there's general rules for like
say roses, you want to come back at a certain
time of the year, you want to do certain.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Things to them.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
But again, roses used to grow wild, and some of
the best roses are the ones that are left alone
for sure.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
And you know, there's pros and cons to it all.
I mean, John was on last week talking about roses
and if you leave the hips on, that is a
trigger for that plant to begin to rest right where
if you don't leave the hips on, that plant never
fully goes into that rest mode, which you know, not
going to kill the plant. But next year your blossoms

(04:24):
might be a little smaller, the plant stems could be
a little weaker. And when I say could, I mean
that could, because like you say, it all depends on
where you live. You know, we might live in an
area that no matter what things rest or you know,
you might live in an area where you have to
force things to rest. Right. It all just depends with
our weather.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Here in southern California, more or less, we garden all
year round. Yeah, there are certain things we still have
to do, but if you don't do them, it's not
going to be a big deal. And that gets back
to the conversation that we're having now. As far as
the comments here on Facebook, somebody brought up something a
very good point which I noticed the newsletter. Uh huh,
So Lisa says, uh, you were Tea not Tiger, because

(05:05):
in the newsletter it says t and Brian. Does it
look at the newsletter?

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, Oh, I didn't catch that part. You know, you know,
your mind just probably puts in.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Words, it puts it. But I noticed that too. T
and Brian will be here while John is off in Texas.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Oh, that's fuddy.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
So uh, yes, whatever is on your mind, you can
take us in that direction. We can chit chat about
a lot here. As I started to say earlier, open phones.
Back in the day, we did take phone calls. Now,
what's open comments here on gard in America?

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah? So, uh, I just scooted off of something here. Okay,
did you lose your train of thought? No? Did? Uh?
Did I want to do the quote of the week
right now? Sure? Why open? Let me just kind of
bring this down a little bit there, all right, Spring passes,
and one remembers one's innocence. Summer passes, and one remembers

(05:57):
one's exuberance autumn pass and one remembers one's reverence by
the uh wonderful Yoko Ono.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yoko, I saw that, Yoko Ono.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
I wonder if she was sitting on an amplifier in
the studio at Abbey Road when she came up with that.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
That would be an interesting thing to kind of know
when people have famous quotes, where were they and what
were they doing and what was the situation?

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Because usually a quote you've been inspired by something to
make that quote.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
And when John and I were in England we went
to we went to a lot of historical places, and
I'm trying to think the was it the Jungle Book?
The writer of the Jungle Book?

Speaker 1 (06:45):
It's Kiplinger, I think, is somebody help us out here?

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Were both on a blank on that, but we were
we were at There was the Kiss, Kate Rose Kiplinger.
I think it's Kipling, Kipling or Kiplinger? Well the kit wait, yes,
So anyways, we're at this house and it was the
person who wrote, I believe it was the Jungle Book.
And we're in the office where he would do his writing,

(07:09):
and I'm just looking around the room, right yeah. And
I'm just looking around the room, and I'm looking at
the artifacts in the room and like there, oh yeah,
it was all set up just as if he had
just left it. And I'm looking out the window.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Right Kipling exactly, yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
And I was looking and then I was looking at
the window to see what was like what was his view.
And then when we walked around the grounds, I'm just
looking at like the creek and the trees and everything,
and I'm like and I'm envisioning this book that he wrote,
and how he could have gotten all this inspiration from

(07:46):
just where he lived and just the artifacts around him
and just who he was as a person, and it
really it's really crazy if you can connect that moment with.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
It, sort of like getting into his mind, Yeah, a
little bit, a little bit the circumstances and the environment
that he was in when he wrote that. Lately, I've
been thinking about, you know, prior to computers, everything was
done on a typewriter. Yeah, I mean screenplays, movies, books, Yeah,
a typewriter.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
And think about the trials of a typewriter, meaning, you know,
kind of like photography today, typewriters of the past two
with computers. When when when you're a writer and you
made a mistake on a typewriter, Yeah, you had the
little white out, you had a little Raindad.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Didn't white out either, Did you invented white out? No?
Michael Nesmyth's mother of the Monkeys, Michael Michael Nesmyth was
with the monkeys, and his mother invented white out, which
pretty much set the family up for life, even if
he even if he never played music or was with
the monkeys, just inventing white out.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, that's so funny. But you're right though, But like
so so, it was very hard. It was very challenging
to write because you know, if you made a mistake. Nowadays,
I mean, you can delete a whole sentence just by
pressing a button and start over again. You know, it
could spell check for.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
You and it might a kind of Back in the
day with tape, so to make an edit, we actually
had to use a razor blade. So you'd source in
I want to start here, yeah, and then this is
where I want to end my edit. You'd cut the
tape and then splice the tape together.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
And you did that by gluing it or something. No,
we had a splicing tape. What is that.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
It's like it tastes like tape, but it go You
can take it on and off real easy, but it holds.
It holds your splice together with the edit. So nowadays,
with the computers, like like you say, I just punch in,
punch out. If I make a mistake on my keyboard,
I hit the letter Z, yeah, and it takes me
back to where I was before I created that that recording.
So if I make a mistake on a recording or

(09:47):
an edit, I just hit Z, goes back and start again.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah, you know exactly. It's that easy to correct your errors.
Which kind of brings me to the first I think topic.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
And we've got about fifty seconds.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Okay, all the all just kind of all kind of
lead with it. And it's the there's an article about,
you know, what not to prune in the winter. People
think they should prune it, but what they shouldn't really
be pruning. So that's what we'll come back.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Hit the press with yes, okay, and we'll try to
catch up on some of the questions too.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Tiger.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
During our very quick break we've got to come somebody
asked if the studio was remodeled. No, I just think
they're looking at that new camera and we've got up
above on top of one of the speakers. So break time.
John is off in Texas. I'm Brian Maine, Tiger Palafox
or better known as Tea. This week in the newsletter,
we're going to take a break. BIS Talk Radio, Facebook
Live stay with us. This is Garden America. Okay, we

(10:46):
are back. Those on BIS Talk Radio listening to us,
those on Facebook Live watching us, Welcome to the show.
Tiger is with me, Brian Maine. John is with his
son in Texas. That's what's going on. We've got an
empty chair next to go there to do it left.
So if you're in the neighborhood, want to drop I
and want to talk gardening, come on in. We'll set
you up with headphones and a microphone, and yeah, you're

(11:07):
off and running exactly.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
So, uh, before the break, I was saying, there was
ur we're gonna be talking about some different articles today
and pruning in the winter time. Pruning in the wintertime,
and we all know, you know, the deciduous pruning things
like when things go dorm it, it's good time to prune.
Right after things bloom that are gonna go dorman in
the wintertime, it's a good time to bloom, so or

(11:30):
good time to prune. So we talked about roads good
time to bloom. Yeah, it's not a good time to
bloom in the wintertime. But things to avoid pruning right now.
One is when is a plant that we don't have
here in southern California is rhododendrons. Don't prune them. Yeah,
don't prune them in the wintertime because they they bloom

(11:51):
on old wood. And that's a thing that people.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
What does that term mean? People probably don't even know
what that term means exactly.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
And it's a it's a very commonly used term.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
We throw it around like everybody knows what it is.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, And so what it means though, is that when
plants get cut back and that new stems, all that
new growth comes out. Some plants flower off of that
new growth, which which is fine. You know, you do
a heavy cutback and then the new stems, the new
tips come out, and then they begin to flower. Well,

(12:24):
some plants don't bloom off of that. They bloom off
of the stems that have been left. It had been
there for a year or longer. And so what that
means though, is that if you do a harsh prune back,
that plant's going to grow back just wonderfully next year,
but you're not going to get any flowers on it.
So you have to do what we call like a
lacing pruning, which is just a thinning of the plant

(12:45):
so that gives it room to grow next year, and
don't prune it back so hard, which means not so small,
so that way you can allow it to still have
some flowers.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Now, what about this, Maybe this is exactly what you
just said, but let's say you have you got the
old wood, you've got new growth, and you said you'd
use the term lacing. Yeah, what about if you took
some of the new growth and just cut it back
a little bit?

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Is that the same as lacing?

Speaker 1 (13:09):
In other words, I'm not gonna cut everything off, right,
but I'm gonna leave a little bit of the new correct.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Is that the same as lacing. It's not the same
as lacing. Lacing is more like a the inner parts
of the plant. Okay, the stems that are like on
the inner What you're talking about is the tip growth.
And that's what I'm saying is ok. You can trim
it back a little bit, right, but you know, want
trim it back too far, because then you're not leaving
enough old wood for it to bloom or fruit or
grow onto. Okay, the great explanation. Yeah, So so rhododendrons.

(13:40):
And in that same group of fam of plants, the
one that we can grow here in son of California
is azaleas. And they again don't they do bloom on
old wood, So you don't cut them back very hard. Now,
Azaleas do keep their foliage a lot better than rhododendron.
And so, you know, I mean it's kind of hard

(14:02):
to come sometimes guess when you're bloom when you're pruning those,
but you do usually prune them kind of right now
in the fall, in the winter, and then that get
them ready for next spring because a lot of times
the azaleas bloom in the spring. You know, if you
think about like the cherry blossoms the Japanese gardens, those
are all like azaleas there and that's when you see
the big blooms on them, and you know, so you

(14:23):
can't plume, you can't prune them right before the spring
because they won't bloom and if you prune them too hard,
they won't bloom a lot. And then another plant that's
listed here is for cynthia, and you know this grouping
of plants. Again, they will they will take a harsh
prune back, but you do still need to leave some

(14:47):
foliage on there for them to be able to bloom.
So so that was just something that I saw, was like,
you know, plants avoiding pruning. And then you know, I
mean when we're talking about azelia's and rhodoesendrons, people might
think of camellias. Remember that those plant that are going
to begin to bloom now, those are winter bloomers and
so you definitely don't want to be pruning those now
because you'll be almost cutting off all the flowers that

(15:07):
you're expecting to see in the next month or two.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Let's go back to you talked about, you know, they
bloom on old wood. Okay, Yeah, now it's time you
do want to cut back. And my question to you
was can you still leave a little bit of the
new growth and just cut back a little bit?

Speaker 2 (15:20):
And you said yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
So does that mean next year that new growth that
I left now become a second year old.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Growth exactly, and you're going to get more bloom now.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
The plant is getting bigger and bigger each year in
terms of where it's going to bloom. Yes, okay, And that's.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Why some people, you know, you mentioned roses earlier. With
some of the some roses that just you just leave alone,
they grow. And that's why sometimes those plants bloom the
best is because people haven't been cutting them back and
it's just a lot of old wood that allows for

(15:57):
those flowers, and they could be some of the ones
that bloom the best because they're just full of old wood. Yeah,
that plan might not look very good in the in
the spring or in the winter because it looks old
and ratty and very dense, but when it is in bloom,
it looks magical.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
So when my phone keeps going off here for different reasons, Okay,
how have you covered your lift?

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Do we have more? No, we've got more, We've got more,
We've got fun stuff. I want to check to see
if there was anything in the chat though, real quick
because without John here, you know, I'm all over the place.
So got to make sure we answer all the questions
that people may have. Wow, there's already thirty one comments.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah, yeah, right off the bat, people even commenting on
when you talk about.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
The mimograph fluid and carbon babe, people are still on
the typewriter and and Kipling's office. Yeah, I think Carla says,
the whole old wood thing and new wood thing makes
me nervous. Yeah, I can see that. So so here's
what you do.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Take Take take a plant that you may have a
few of, and just start with one of them until
you gain your confidence.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, and then uh, Leonora commented pomegranates only in second
year would also yeah, and pomegranates. Have you ever seen
like a like a real well grown pomegranate? And the
size that the fruit gets.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, exactly, like what size?

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Like, what size have you seen a pomegranate? Maybe the
size of an orange? Oh, my goodness, no, I've seen pomegranate.
It's the size of your head. What massive. Yeah, we
don't see those a lot here because a lot of
times they ship them other places because there's a better
value other places than here because they grow so easily.

(17:51):
But they can get the size of your head. They're massive.
Planets can get massive.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
And what would be the growing conditions for one two
become that size.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
So they grow a lot in the Central Valley of
California just like that. So it's the you know, hot summers,
cold winters, you know, good amounts of water you know,
through the winter, so that way the roots are set
and then you know, pomegranates are dry plants in general. Right,
they grow in a lot of very arid areas, so
it's not like they need a lot of water, but

(18:22):
in order to produce that fruit, they do require more
water than what maybe nature gives it. But just that
hot summer is what it loves. Okay. So yeah, so yeah,
they grow massive. It's just you don't ever see them. No,
I go to a farmer's market during you know, time
for pomegranate, which is probably like we're probably getting to
the end of it seeing them in farmers' markets, but

(18:44):
you'll see them at farmers market. It's really big pomegranate.
It's pretty cool. How do you know that about? How
do I How do I know if my pomegranate is ornamental?
So there's there are a few varieties of ornamental pomegranates,
and I mean, how do you know aside from the
fruit not being really great tasting edible? Break? Okay, now

(19:06):
this is a question on our comments.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
This is from Lisa, right, uh, Leanne Lee, I'm sorry,
Oh no, Lisa, Lisa has one. Yeah, no, Lisa asked
that quot. How do I know if my pomegranate is ornamental?

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Oh? Okay, Lisa.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, We're going to catch up on your questions here
on the Garden America, So do stay with us. I'm
Brian Maine. John is in Texas, Tiger Pellafox. We're doing
it solo today, Tiger myself. Keep those comments coming on Facebook.
Welcome to those on biz Talk Radio. Gonna take a
break for you, biz Talk Radio back after these messages.
Alrighty back here on Guard in America broadcasting from the
iHeartMedia and Entertainment Studios from San Diego, California're right here

(19:44):
in southern California. Welcome Brian Maine, John Magnasco Texas Tiger
Pelafox is with me and we have more a list. Again,
I guess the list keeps going as far as what
not to cut back this time of year, and again
comments that you keep looking at right.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
No, we're on pomegranate's right now. How do I know
if my pomegranate is ornamental? So you know, as far
as how do you know whether a pomegranate is ornamental?
Is you know if it fruits? Usually the ornamental varieties
get a very small fruit. And when I say small,

(20:18):
I'm talking like the size of like a ping pong
ball fruit, where like we just talked about, I've seen
pomegranates fruit the size of your head. So you know
that's one way. The other way is size. The ornamental
pond pomegranates are usually grown to be more of a
compact shrub. To put this in another plant perspective, is
there's the olive trees and then there's ornamental olives. There's

(20:40):
one called little oli olive, and it's a very compact,
small shrub. It gets the same foliage of an olive.
It gets the same look of an olive, but it's
grown to be of a compact shrub and it's just
an ornamental olive. So pomegranate's the same kind of thing.
They're more just small bushes, very dense, where palm granite
that produces fruit usually is a large, large bush or

(21:04):
large multi trunk tree that you'll see growing. So otherwise,
the foliage in the stems they look very similar, so
it's hard to tell the difference. Let's see then and
Ed also ed Livo. Our friend also commented that they're
special trellising for the large sized pomegranates, and that is

(21:24):
true because they get so heavy that it's kind of
like you, you know, if you were to trell us
up a large fruit like a canal lope or watermelon,
you got to support it as well, because otherwise it'll
just pull a branch down. And Millie has a new question,
how about cutting back fuchias. Now, Fuchia's are one of

(21:45):
my favorite shade plants. They look so pretty, you know,
the dangling candelabra flowers and again they're kind of like
one of those plants that you can't just cut back
hard and then expect it to regrow. Number One, they
don't always respond well to that. Number two, if you
cut it back now, they're not going to regrow for
months and months and months, which might cause rot. So
usually what you're gonna want to do, Millie, is after

(22:06):
they're done blooming, do a lot of the little trimming, deadheading,
some of them pruning in there on the fusia, but
leave it through the wintertime because you kind of leave it,
you know it'll overwinter okay, and then do some lacing
pruning as it comes out of the winter, depending on
where you're at, maybe March or April, and then you'll

(22:27):
you'll have a better growth with your fusia at that time.
But if you cut it back now, there's a good
chance that it'll just like overwinter and almost die if
it rots out, because it doesn't grow much in the wintertime.
So you know, watch out with that. And Carla, we
are constantly cutting back our pomegranate if we don't, because

(22:49):
it's becomes a monster. So if we don't get it
so we we don't get as much fruit. Oh, well,
we can't eat that many anyways. And that is the
other thing happens, right, you know, with there's a lot
of fruits out there, I mean lemons, people say, oh,
I want a lemon tree, I want this tree, I
want that tree, and I'm like, okay, well number one,

(23:10):
with a lemon, you're gonna get so much fruit that
you know, you've got to really have a good group
of friends that well you can share it with or
put a box out there for your neighbors, because you're
gonna get so much it no matter how hard you
prune it back, you're still gonna get more lemons than
what you need on it. And so you know, this
ideal pruning technique, you know, is more for the people

(23:32):
that are trying to really get good production, and they're
gonna use it. Because if you're just trying to enjoy
an apricot tree, for example, that also produces a lot,
you don't need to be too critical of the pruning
because you're gonna get a lot of apricots no matter what,
almost to the point where you can't even eat them
all right, So even if you don't prune correctly, you're
still gonna be fine. You know, but if you're trying

(23:55):
to produce apricots and you really want a lot, then
obviously you want to look at the correct timing of
the pruning, a lot of the correct techniques just to
exit again, like yield the most amount of fruit for
that tree.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Okay, Veronica, when is the best time to lace out
my semi dwarf apricot black jack fig?

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Oh, so we're just talking about the apricotton fig. So
you know, a lot of times we talked about this
a little while ago, was a lot of times people
will say, oh, January and February, when the tree goes
completely dormant, is the best time to do that. And
we're kind of leaning more towards now the direction of
just after it's done fruiting, So you don't have to

(24:36):
wait until January and February when it's fully dormant, but
you could do that, you know, maybe at the end
of its fruiting cycle, which for a lot of that
stuff is going to be now, you know, get in there,
start doing some of the pruning, start doing some of
the lacing, let it then go dormant over winter, and
then let it come back in the next spring because

(24:58):
you're giving it the most amount of time to recoup. See,
if you wait till February to prune when it's fully dormant,
then you know it's got to start growing from February.
Where if you do it now, in kind of our
more mild climate, if you do it now, you actually
are gonna get another few months of growth before the

(25:20):
spring flowering cycle and season. So therefore you're gonna get
maybe a little bit better growth and production off of it.
And so that goes for the apricot and the fig.
I will say though, that the figs can handle a
bit more harsh prune back than the apricot because it's
really hard to kill a fig. And again back to
the production, like there's a ton of fruit on figs.

(25:42):
On the apricot, though, really work hard on removing all
of the dead wood because they accumulate a lot of
dead wood over the season and so a lot of
dead branches, a lot of inner growth branches rubbing up
against each other which are going to cause wounds in
the tree and things like that. Focus more on that
for the apric caught.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Okay, well I want to make sure we're Yeah, my
head is about to explode exactly make sure we're caught up.
Let's go back and work our way down again.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Okay, and repotting fuses now, yeah, Carla mentioned repotting fuses,
and you could repot them now. Like I said, they're
not going to grow a lot in the next few months,
so you it's you know, you just don't want to
do anything too drastic to them.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
I think Rick had a question if you're down to Rick.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Okay, Rick, we are getting fall leaf drop now instead
of raking and cleaning up all the leaves, do some
plants benefit from leaves being in the beds or around
the base of the trees uses mult You know, it's
funny that Rick, you mentioned that because one of the
articles that I was reading through for this week's show was,

(26:48):
you know, it's getting fall and there's places all around
the country the leaves are just falling. And I was
thinking about how in those really natural areas that the
leaves just fall in the mountains and everything, and that
debris just builds up, and that soil must be such loamy,

(27:09):
rich soil, and so as far as leaves falling leave
them on the ground, they are a great source of
mult So yes, I mean, you know, you leave it,
it mulches, it breaks down, it turns into soil. You know,
there's a lot of really good benefits to mulch leaf

(27:29):
mult in the ground. You know, it keeps weeds in control,
it keeps the moisture in the ground. You're adding you know,
more nitrogen, you're adding all kinds of other benefits into
the ground, creating that environment for earthworms and microiza and
all kinds of other stuff. The one thing that people
say why you don't leave leaves down on the ground,

(27:53):
Number one is disease. So you know, like for instance,
rust on roses, rust mill do black spot. When you
let that foliage go into the ground, you can perpetuate
the problem. So meaning you know, you're putting those diseases
into the ground, You're putting it into the plant again,
and then the next year there's more black spot, there's

(28:13):
more rusts, there's more mildew issues with the plants. So
you know you've got to watch out for that. If
there's a lot of disease on your tree or your
shrub that's losing leaves, you might want to rate that
up and kind of take it off site so that
way you don't perpetuate the problem. The other thing is
you build up if you build up a mulch around
the base of the plant, you can cause a root

(28:35):
rot issue. But that more has to do with you
putting that multch next to the base of this trunk
or the stem, because a lot of times when leaves fall,
they fall away from the tree, they fall on the
outside of the tree itself or the bush. They don't
fall right at the base.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
You know, you talked about the fact that it causes
root rot, but you also said before that by leaving
the leaves on there, you're keeping more moisture in the ground. Yeah,
so now this is what we're talking about. That moisture
then creates the root rot.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Is that right? That moisture creates the root rot. It
doesn't allow for to breathe. But that usually happens only
people rake the leaves up next to the base of
the tree, right. It doesn't really happen in nature because,
like I say, leaves fall away from the tree and
don't form a big pile at the base like the tree.
So you know, that's what you kind of have to

(29:26):
avoid there. And then I mean the other thing is
just the look.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
So well, that's the first thing aesthetically, people going doesn't
look good.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
They don't like the way it looks.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Is this the same thing we're talking about when you
mow your lawn and the argument to either leave the
clippings on the lawn or rake them up.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, yeah, because if you don't rake them up, you
might see a bit of that clippings in the lawn
and you're like, oh, that doesn't look good. But at
the same time, it's breaking back down into the sure
soil and you know it's keeping the long green.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
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We are just is it? This train is moving fast
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(30:13):
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Speaker 2 (30:17):
Stay with us.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
Okay, just like that, we are back, and if you
are tuned in on biz Talk Radio. As a reminder,
this is the final segment of our number one, a
quick hour, right. We come back at six minutes after.
Hopefully your market carries us on BIS Talk Radio for
our number two as well the rest of us on
Facebook Live. Here we are as Tiger catches up on
some of the questions and comments.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
I just want to say good morning to Alex also
just joined the show, and that's ring to us, and
and I like alex little emojis and he's got a
he's got a beautiful hus high biscus right there. Yeah,
that's that's really nice. Good morning Alex. You know, but
back to this kind of like multch thing. Another article
was somebody was asking on an online chat about their

(31:02):
landscaper said that they didn't want to put down weed
barrier under the mult of their beds because of they
didn't agree with the way that the weed barrier worked
and it doesn't really keep out weeds. And you know,
they wanted to know was this the landscaper just trying
to you know, pull one over on them and skip

(31:22):
out on the job, or did this have some truth to.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
It and you're talking about a weed barrier.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, like a weed cloth, like a weed fabric.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
And then and then then you've got the leaves falling
on top of that.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Well, but you can put molts on top, or you
can put rocks on top of it, you know, for
a soil covering in your garden. And I will say
that I address this issue a lot because I do
not agree with putting weed barrier down either. I'm an
advocate for leaving the soil because when you put down
the rocks or the molts on top. Number one, with

(31:55):
a moult, it begins to do what you want the
molts to do. It integrates with the soil and it
begins to break down and to mend the soil. You
get the benefits of it, and it creates that connection
with the soil, so it doesn't just drift and move freely.
So you know where weed barrier, you know, it keeps

(32:17):
out weeds initially, but in the long term ends up
getting torn.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
It comes up exactly somebody before I moved in, and
I moved in back in two thousand and eight, there's
an area right into the stairs you can see remnants
of remnants of barriers. Yeah, but let me ask you,
this weed barrier mult what we're talking about. When you
put a weed barrier down, can you suffocate the soil?

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, So that is another thing that begins to happen,
is the weed barrier actually begins to prevent that soil life.
Right because air, water, all of those things that life needs,
you know, and we're talking bugs and earthworms and and

(33:03):
funguses and you know, bacteria down under your eath, that
weed barrier begins to create an environment that is not
conducive to that.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
John Clements agrees, no weed cloth. Yeah, you know what,
just take the time to go out and maintain your weeds.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
And that's what the article ends up coming down They
tell the people a lot of gardener just go out
and start weeding. It's it's therapeutic. You'll enjoy it. You'll
see results much quicker.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Just don't wait till the weeds or out of control.
That's the thing right away.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Just make it. Make it your weekly little fifteen minute
job or twenty minute job or whatever it is, to
get out there and pull weeds and you'll and in
no time you'll see the weeds go away. And then
we recently had a person on the show, Greg Rubin,
who talked about like a lot of native plants will
actually change the soil around them to prevent weeds from

(33:55):
growing in the future. And a lot of plants are
like that, where if the other plants become established, weeds
don't grow around them because the other plans don't allow
them to grow. It's when you kind of leave those
open space areas and unmanaged areas, or you let weeds
go to seed and constantly repopulate, then you're going to

(34:16):
have that problem. And you know, and then also at
the end of the day, it's just something that you know,
you're it's inevitable. Any gardener is gonna I mean, you know,
John Clemens works at you know, the San Diego Botanical Gardens,
and you know he's got an army of people. Yeah,
that's all they do, ill bet right, And I'm sure

(34:36):
there's I'm sure there's probably twenty people that eight hours
a day they're just out there weeding. And it's inevitable.
But it's also part of the ecosystem. I mean, every
weed does add a little bit of something, you know,
whether it's a you know, changing a soil makeup or
adding a little bit of nutrients or or something as

(34:58):
well that you know, there's the there could be some
benefit to just leaving it and letting it be. And
it also acts as a groundcovering if in the winter time,
as we get into the rainy season, if you remove
all the weeds, that's when you could have erosion or
other problems that you know, those that they're holding the
hillsides together. So you got to be careful with that.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Okay, let's see, let's go back up on. Tanya has
a question or a comment. Here, are you there?

Speaker 2 (35:22):
I'm not there? Can you pull it up? Or no?

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Well, she says she tried weed barrier. The weed seeds
rooted and grew through just what we're talking about exactly,
So to we the areas since yeah, they would not
basically agree with what we said. Eventually, don't find a way.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
And if you buy the weed cloth, which I definitely
recommend over the weed plastic material, it'll the roots will
root into the cloth and so so they're even harder
to pull than if they were just in the ground.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Here's an analogy. How many people have actually seen small
weeds go through sidewalks?

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Oh? Yeah, I mean I've seen them grow it out
of rocks.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
So what does that say about a little cloth. Weeds
are like, what is this cloth that you put down?

Speaker 2 (36:12):
Here? Give us, give us a little extra grip to
hold on to here? And then Carla is right under that. Yeah,
she wrote, where would she? I have a question to
come up this week about tie and cordline plants. I
read they are the same thing, but I always think

(36:33):
of thie plants as tropical and cordlines is more of
a desert drought plant. Yeah. Isn't that fun right? Because
she's so right, She's so right in so many ways.
You know, it's funny that cordline and thaie plants can
be seen in both tropical and desert scape landscapes. You know,

(36:57):
cordline red sensation. You see it a lot of times
used in very dry, arid landscapes with cactus and succulents
and dg and rock, and it has that red burgundy
foliage and it's just that vertical, almost sword like foliage
on there. But then you look at you know, cordlines,

(37:18):
electric pink and some of the green varieties, and you'll
see them in tropical landscapes with palms and hibiscus and
mrias and all that kind of stuff, and and you
like way, how does this same plant survive in dry
areas and also in wet areas. And there's a lot
of plants like this. There's a California native plant called

(37:40):
a mimulus, a monkey flower, and you know orange and
yellow and red flowers and some of them. Do you
want to take a break right now? Yeah, we should
take a break. Okay, we'll take a break. I'll continue
chatting about mimulus when we come back. It don't be
like John, will you forget? No, I won't.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Okay, it is break time. In fact, it is news,
top of the hour news for our friends on biz
Talk Radio. And again hopefully your market carries our second
albur because we come back at six minutes after the
rest of you on Facebook Live. Great questions, great comments.
It's going to be a very short break to Douce
Day with us. John is in Texas. I'm Brian Main
Tiger Pelafox. Thank you for joining us on your weekend.
We are guard in America. Hey, just like that, we

(38:17):
are back. Welcome to our number two. If you're tuned
in on BIS Talk Radio, it is one continuous show
on Facebook Live. Is it's just us the guys, Well,
your garden Buddies minus one. John is in Texas. I'm
Brian Main Tiger Pelafox, and I know for a fact
that Tiger remembered his train of thought before the break
in the news break on Bistalk Radio.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah, I did. I did. We were talking about cortlines.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Because so j Carl Carla started this exactly.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Because she sees them as tropicals, and then you see
him as desert plants. And you know, I had brought
up the California native mimulus monkey flower, and there's in
this is this is in the same space, meaning this
is southern California, small environment. You have mimulus that require
a bog like situation.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Louisiana and we're talking down south.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
We're talking never drying out next to water, just needs
to have water every day, all day. And then you
can have the mimulus that is growing on the hillside,
full exposure, hot sun and only gets our you know,
average of ten inches of rainfall a year, surviving just fine.

(39:29):
Same plant. They're they're both mimuless, but two completely different
areas and in the same spot. We're not even talking
separate continents. We're just taking the same environment. And that's
kind of like the cordline, and cordline is in the
also asparagus family Dressina, all all of that whole kind
of like grouping where you have a wide writing And

(39:49):
we're talking continental separations now with the Thaie plant corterline,
because you know we're Pacific islands in Asia and you
know then also in the Mediterranean. So you know, it's
one of those fun plants that can lean towards multiple
directions and it just really comes down to you know,
where it's from and why it grows the way it is.

(40:10):
But you know, yes, I don't know how to explain
the answer to that more than that you're talking about,
to some degree, two separate plants, but they are the
same plant. They are cord aline, but where one is
native to is very different from where the other is
native to, and that's why they grow in different different

(40:34):
environments and with different growth habits.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
So so I don't know that there was a real
answer there, more of an explanation of the variations of
what is, what could be, and what might be.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yeah, yeah, they are, they are the same thing. But
I always think of thie plants as a tropical cordline
as more of a desert and yes, so, yes, you
are correct, right, but they still are the same plant. Yes, yeah,
but you're right. She couldn't take her cordline fruiticosa and
grow it into the desert. That would not work, you know,

(41:07):
just like she couldn't take her cordline red sensation and
throw it into a tropical jungle and because again it
would rot out and that would not work as well.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Okay, after Carla, what do we have?

Speaker 2 (41:17):
I like, Kevin, I, you know, made made an effort
to reinforce this comment. I look at waiting as a
therapy and healthy activity until my back goes out.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
You know, Kevin, I share the back problem with you,
and it's it's one of those things where you feel
good one minute and pretty soon boom back problems. I
get it, Kevin, I'm right there with you.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
This is another thing. So this is kind of like
to the idea of what we talked about in the
beginning of the show, that we have our own opinions
on things and other people might not share these opinions.
But we've talked about this number of times. And somebody
wrote crabgrass in your raised beds. How to remove Bermuda
grass from beds with other plants intermixed so bermuda grass,

(42:04):
crab grass, tuberous root grass issues growing in amongst your plants.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Without pulling out what you want to remain there.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Without pulling out what you want to right in there,
and with being effective because sometimes even pulling it out,
you're leaving those little darn roots in there and then
they just grow back, right. So Number one, there are
herbicides that are designed to kill grasses in plant beds.
Some that are even designed to kill grasses in ice
plant as well. There was a product called Killer on

(42:35):
the market.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
But obviously not kill what it is you're trying to
grow exactly.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
So it all has it all has to do with
the cells of the plants, and you know how grasses
grow versus how plants grow, and that's why you can
apply it on the plant and and not have it
effect and it only affects the grass. So there are
herbicides we can you can get down there and pull

(42:59):
like we're talking about, but that's a challenge. So it's
it's a little bit more about being selective in the
products you're using to kill those those grasses. Now, I
will say with things like bermuda grass, I am I'm
an advocate for the round of products and glysifate because
it kills through the root. It doesn't affect the surrounding
plants as long as you don't apply it to the

(43:21):
foliage of the other plants. So it's not like it
gets into the soil and kills your plants from the roots.
But it's effective through the whole plant, which which bermuda grass,
which will kill the whole bermutograss. So if you can
be very specific on how you spray it, it's a
great right tool.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Target, target the area, and do not use it when
it's windy.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Yes, just be careful.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
You want to wear gloves, fine, you want to wear
a mask, fine, great, when to cover your eyes fine,
Just be very deliberate on where you're you're pointing the
bottle or whatever you're using, and don't get it all
over the place.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
That's when people get in trouble exactly exactly or you know,
or or step in on the area after you've sprayed
it and now you step across your lawn, you're can
have footprints on your lawn. Uh Okay. So another another
hot topic that I saw in the news thread this week,
and we'll continue getting to the questions.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Sure to hang in there, and if we if by
chance we forget, go ahead and post your question again.
So we'll we'll keep on following down the comment line.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
But because we're getting out of time here where your
basil is beginning to bloom, and we call it bolt
where basil cilantro, some of the herb plants begin to flower,
and we call that bolting. And you know, people say, oh, well,
you cut them and then you'll get more foliage, you
get more growth down the road. Prevent your plants from bolting.

(44:45):
And also it changes the flavor of the plants. And
and that is true. So when things like basil cilantro
lettuces begin to flower, it's going to change the flavor
of your leafy products. It's going to also stop producing
your levy products because it's in a different kind of mindset.

(45:06):
It's in a reproduction mindset now, not into the foliage growing.
So if you prevent things from bolting, you can extend
the life of the plants. But now I will say,
if the flowers are already opening, you're too late. You
need you need to cut those when they're butted up,
not when they're flowering. If a flower's already opened up,

(45:28):
the plant's already too late. But the argument was little
to let them bolt because then you get seeds, which
you know, they go free seeds, free new plants for
next year. And and that is true too. If you
do let your flowers go to seed, you can have lettuce,
you can have basil, you can have cilantro, you know,
for the next season already sew itself into the ground.

(45:51):
Or you can collect those seeds and then have them
for next year. You know, I think you know that's
a it's tough. Sometimes it's not you know, it's it's
tough to to let them go that long. They don't
look pretty, they the plants don't look good. You know,
you have you have to be okay with letting your

(46:11):
garden look unkept for a while if you wanted to
go to that level of receding. But it's a great
way to have free plants for the next season. Yeah,
so you can do that too.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Put up with a little raggedy look for a.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
While, exactly kind of like the rose hips like John was. Yeah,
you know, you know, might not might like the way
it looks, but it'll it'll benefit in the long run.
All right, Um, well, let's see. I gotta close and
open it to see if there's more questions. I feel
like it says thirty one comments, but I feel like

(46:47):
there's more sixty six. How did that just happen?

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Okay, raise your hand if you had a question or
comment we didn't address. Yeah, you should be a little
raise your hand emoji.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
I like Kevin's gone of how come we never see
dikonda grass anywhere anymore? I remember from the fifties and sixties,
and that's one of those fads, Kevin. You know, that's
one of those things that was a fad for a
period of time. We don't see it because it it
wasn't something that people really gravitated towards. It wasn't as

(47:22):
good of a products as it was advertised to do.
At the same time as like a grass alternative. You know,
it's not bad, but it just wasn't you know, would
you rather have a fescue lawn or would you rather
have a dichondra law more? People say fescu. Yeah, sure,
it's just what happened.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yeah, these comments are coming in quickly here.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yeah, there was another one where I see I mean
raccoons tore up our new lawn. This is from Tanya,
probably looking for grubs. My garner wanted to use a
product that kills all insects. I'm uncomfortable with that for
a few reasons. Question, is there a grub specific only
product you recommend?

Speaker 1 (48:06):
So yes, yeah, you know you can just just bring
some skunks in and turn the skunk's loose. They'll they'll
dig for the grubs.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, so the so you know, it's funny. Tanya too.
And I don't know if people have heard these kind
of stories before, but we have laid new lawns for people,
like big areas, like thousand square foot areas, laid it,
watered it in, got it all situated. The next day
people call us up and said, hey, why didn't you

(48:34):
roll out the turf on my lawn? Because maybe they
weren't home when we left.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
This is a post to like seating grass.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
So it's laying out pieces of saw.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, I got you, okay, And we show up and all.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
The pieces of sod are perfectly rolled back up. We
got to take a quick break. Oh my goodness, this
is gonna be good. I know.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
In fact, I'm I'm I'm late. This is for Bistalk
Radio to stay on time. We're gonna take a break
for biste Radio back after these messages except on Facebook
Live and more of Tiger's story about sod and rolling
it out.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Here on Guard to America.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Okay, well, Han return those on bistalk Radio. Thank you
for hanging in there, and thank you for supporting the
many sponsors on the bistalk Radio. Big shout out to Fertilom. Okay,
so you've laid the sod out and you've unrolled it.
The next day they call you back and say, why
didn't you finish rolling out the sod? Exactly what you say.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
I did finish. I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Well, Tiger, I'm looking at it right, and I'm looking
out my window here and the sod is rolled.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Up exactly, and then I show up. We come to
find out raccoons visited that night, rolled up all the
pieces of sod and then started digging around looking for
grubs and other little critters in the soul. But they
just rolled up all the pieces of this.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Would that not be a fun video to watch it?

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Right?

Speaker 1 (49:49):
So, in the middle of the night they roll the
sod back looking for grubs, as opposed to digging.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Yeah, yeah, they're just like, oh, this is nice. I
don't have to I don't have to you know, dig
through this graph here. I can just roll this piece
up and I get right down into the ground. So yeah,
so so then so then what do you do? Right?
So so you know, Tanya's I think it was Tanya's
question was killing the grubs but not you know, other insects.

(50:20):
And there are products out there, Tanya that will kill
just grubs. I will say though that you have to
be careful because a lot of products that kill grubs.
You can't use an edible right if you're growing edibles,
you know, because a lot of the chemicals are not

(50:41):
something that you would want to grow in. Uh, you
don't want to ingest this. You don't want to adjust
the product they use for you know, killing grubs. So
you know, there's if you go to Fertile lom dot com,
they have a lot of different products depending on where
you are as far as what grubs. You know, their

(51:03):
their grub Free Zone product, they have a natural Guard
grub control product. But yes, there are a lot of
products that are very grub specific and you can get
as specific to the region to make sure you're not
killing all the other stuff, because yeah, a lot of

(51:23):
the all encompassing killer products, you don't want to kill
earthworms and you know some of the other ride official
insects in your ground just to get rid of the grubs.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
So there's every good reason why you just don't want
to be so indiscriminate that you're killing everything. Yes, you
want to only target what it is with the problem is.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Yes, exactly, so Fertile loan dot com you will show
you the list of the different products.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
And by the way, if you want to know how
to spell fertile home, it's right there in your video
top right hand portion of your screen. Yeah, fertle loan
you that's how you spell it anyway, I'm sorry, go
ahead for those wondering how you spell it.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
But and then there's also some beneficial insects if you
don't mind waiting. You know, this is not going to
be an instant thing, because you know, the beneficial insects
need to you know, take hold to where they're at.
But as far as like a long term, there are
some beneficial insects that you can incorporate into your soil
that will kill grubs as well.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
So that's good. That's almost like hiring decolate snails.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
It is. It's the same kind of basic thing that
you know, you hire the deck higher higher them. Do
you put them on payroll? Oh? Yeah, for they got
a little four one ks and pension. It's a monthly contract.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
After the first month, I want to see how effective
they are, and then we put them on for another
month and then they'll come back and tell me I
think we're good for a while. Yeah, And I just
pay off the contract and wait till next year, and
then you all that work. Call them back up, call
them back up as needed.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
But yeah, so you know, the the grubs in the
ground are a big problem when it comes to you
mentioned skunks, raccoons, a lot of things will dig through
your ground looking for grubs because they are a very
juicy tree.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Have you ever see anybody ever seen the claws on
a skunk?

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Oh goodness, they're huge.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
And that's for digging, and that's exactly what they do.
Used to live out in Santee and early in the
morning we would see skunks digging through the lawn looking
for grubs. So there you have it. I love the
rolled up story with the raccoon.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
That's crazy. Right? Where are we now?

Speaker 1 (53:29):
We are? We caught up with just about everything. And
if not, let us know, let me see here, I'm
skunks too.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Is it okay? It's okay to plant cilantro seeds? Now,
it's okay. Lenora asked this, and I believe Leonorea's in
Huntington Beach Am I correct, Brian, do you remember?

Speaker 1 (53:46):
No, you know Carla's and Huntington, Leonora's and Canyon Country.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
I believe. Oh, so plant cilantro seeds now. Now, I
will say cilantro grows great in cool weather because it
doesn't bolt, like we were talking about, as quickly cool
weather as it does in hot weather. So depending on
where you're at, Leanor, it just can't get too cold.
Cilantro is like basil where it doesn't like frigid temperatures.

(54:11):
So depending on where you're at.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
So what, I'm sure it gets cold where she is? Yeah,
So what's safe? Anything below forty or would forty be
the cutoff?

Speaker 2 (54:20):
No? You know it's got to be even warmer than that,
You know it, You got to be above fifty. Okay, yeah,
and so she.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Would need to create an environment.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
But I was gonna say like a window sill. You
can grow cilantro a back patio. You can grow cilantro
and basil and all those herbs year round. And like
I say, they like the cooler weather because the hot
weather is what makes them bloom. And they're tough to
keep watered. But you know, you and I were talking
before the show. You watered what once this once last week?

(54:49):
Yeah exactly, and before you were watering three to four
times when it was hot. Well, same kind of thing
with your herbs that you grow through the wintertime, they'll grow.
They like the sunlight, they don't mind the cool weather.
You just can't let them get freezing cold because they
will die, like you know, you know when it gets
freezing told, are John and Bonnie? Are there any biological

(55:12):
critters that go after grubs in the ground? Yes, you know, uh.
Tiptop bio Control is the company. If you go to
their website, they will list their grub killing products. I believe,
I believe there's some nematodes and some other things that
kill grubs. But like I say, it's a it's a
long term thing. This is not something you know, for
someone that just laid out grass and is trying to

(55:34):
keep these you know, raccoons and skunks out of there.
You're gonna need to use a product that's killing the
grubs right away so that way they stop. But down
the road, you know, you can start to use beneficials.
So if you use if you look at your grub
killing package and say it lasts for thirty days, sixty
days or whatever it is, at the end of that,

(55:56):
you can then start to incorporate those beneficials. So for
the next next year, you can you know, start to
you know, benefit from the beneficials. I will say. Then
people will say, oh, well, tiger, but if there's nothing
to eat, where will the beneficials grow? You're right, And
if there's no grubs in the soil after you use
your chemical products, they're not going to have anything to

(56:18):
grow to eat, So they might go away, they might disappear,
but you know, if you live in an area where
grubs are inevitable, they'll come back after that period of time,
and then you'll use beneficials from there on out, and
then you don't have to use the the chemicals down
the road, So just be cautious of that.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
We got about a minute to goo yeah for this segment,
which means we have two more segments, very very quick show.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
My goodness, yeah right, good morning everybody that's joining us.
That's what I thought. I can put them in a
patio with a roof. Yes, exactly exactly the cilantro she
was talking about putting it on the patio. That's good.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Okay, Well a break right now and again for Bistalk
Radio and Facebook Live. We have two more segments. The
next segment is our longer segment, so plenty of time
to get your questions, your comments in as we continue
rolling through this weekend. John is in Texas. I'm Brian
Main Tiger Pella Fox. We're going to take a break
for BizTalk Radio. Back after these messages, and again a
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Speaker 2 (57:55):
All Right, So this is a great topic that Carl
asked and she said on no Veronica, can round up
be used in raised bed for my vegetables? So, first off,
roundup is a They changed their formulation and we talked
about this with greg A Rubin also when he was

(58:16):
on the show. They changed their formulation to combat the
whole glycopate thing, and the product that they changed to
is actually more harmful to the overall soil than glycophate was.
So I'm gonna say no, you should not use round
up specifically in your raised beds, is it? Because if

(58:37):
there were they change they changed the recipe in in
the edibles and you're gonna your soil is going to
get affected by it, and the roots are gonna get
affected by it, and I would not recommend that. Now,
Furloam has a product called Kills All Kills, All Kills All,
which is glycopate, which I would recommend you could use

(59:00):
in a vegetable garden area or a raised bed because
it's glycifate and glycopate is absorbed through the foliage, so
you've got to spray it on the foliage of the plant.
But then once it goes into the soil, it's inert,
which means there's no residual effects, which means it kills
the plant that you're trying to combat against. But once
it goes into the soil, there's no negative effects in

(59:21):
the plants that are surrounding it, the root system or
the soil or anything like that. So it's a bit
safer to use in that way. So the kills all
from uh furlome is a better product, and yes, you
can use it, and you know, you just don't want
to spray any of your you know, the vegetables of

(59:42):
the plants that we want because it will kill those
as well. So and again, you know what, we kind
of led the show with it. This is our opinion. Yeah,
there's a lot of bad press when it comes to lysophate,
and it's specifically because they say, oh, you know, they
treat cornfields with it, and you're right, because you know,
Monsie To designed a corn that's resistant to glycopate, so

(01:00:03):
they can spray it over a whole field and kill
all the weeds, and I kill the corn. You know
that's not great. I don't agree with that. But in
your vegetable garden when you're trying to get rid of
bermuda grass and it's you know, choking out your tomatoes
and your peppers and your other things, it's a good
product to use to keep it controlled and cut back
and be able to get rid of that. So yeah,

(01:00:24):
well you can enjoy your vegetables and they go back.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
It is the website, is it fertilum dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Yes, fie R T I L O M E. Yeah,
and it's right there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
The logo is on our video right now for those
on Facebook Live. So fertilm dot com check it out.
And again as a major sponsor does help us here
on Garden America, Tom's got a.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Question, Yeah, rose or no tomato blight. So he's saying
he still gets blite on his tomatoes every year. And
you know, this is a this is an ongoing problem
when you kind of you know, we talk about using
the same soil over again. This is one of the

(01:01:08):
biggest things that they tell you why you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Move well tomato plants, especially.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Ryants from bed to bed or you let the soil
rest between crop planting, so you know, you plant a
tomato in it this year, don't plant a tomato in
it the next year kind of a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
But then the year after you can go back to
that area.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Yeah, like you've left it rest. So you know. Number
one is that you know, when it comes to tomatoes,
there's a lot of resistant varieties. So it was Kevin, right,
Kevin that answered asked the question.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Ken, Ken, Sorry, Ken, that's okay, a lot of yeah,
Ken with the un ken.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
So you could look at the varieties of tomatoes that
you're planting, So there are a lot of blight resistant varieties.
So if you just google blight resistant tomato plants, there's
a whole list that's going to come up, so you
can kind of shop from that list. Number one. Number
two introduce new soil. And that really comes down to
either you take out the old soil in a pot

(01:02:08):
or a raised planter bed and you introduce new soil
into that as well allow for great drainage, so that
way you're kind of getting rid of the problem. Do
not mulch with old plants. You know, we talked about
this before with the leaf molt stuff. Those leaf mulches.
The mulches carry diseases from year to year if you

(01:02:31):
allow them. You know, a lot of people are like, oh,
I got my own compost pile. They throw all their
old tomato plants, they're all roses, all that stuff in
that compost pile. Well, unless your compost pile is getting
up over one hundred degrees, you know, real hot and
killing all the seeds, right, you know, bacterias and everything
else like that. That compost all it is is a
carrier for all those things to grow in your garden

(01:02:54):
the next year. And then you go and spread it
and now you have rust and you got mildewing black
spot and you know, you uh, tomato plants volunteering in
your garden and cantalope and everything else. So you know,
don't use that in your vegetable garden because I can.
I there's not a lot of people out there that
can compost to the degree of actually sterilizing their compost.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
You know, And that's mainly heat, right, It's all heat.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
Heat. You have to get those temperatures up in that
compost pile for it to sterilize everything in there. And
professional compost places do a great job of that. And
even then sometimes you get composed out of a bag
and you're gonna get seeds come up in it. So
new soil to maato blight resistant plants, use organic fertilizers

(01:03:42):
to you know, encourage better healthy growth of the plant.
Watch your watering again the root rot issue, oversaturation, poor drainage,
stuff like that, you know, and and that's all you
can do. So, you know, I think that those are
your steps to making sure you prevent blight.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
The next I staying with tomatoes, Joyce says that spider
mites are getting to hear tomatoes. Yeah, what do you
what do you do for spider mites.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
So, Fertilome has a product called triple Action, which is
insecticide mitaside and fungicide. In that mitacide aspect of it
is super important because not all insecticides kill mites. So
you have to have a product that is specifically listed
for mites, like kneem oil and secticidal soaps, those are

(01:04:30):
not effective against mites. And so you know, Fertilome triple
Action is what I would recommend that you use because
it is effective. So you have to have that mite. Now,
a lot of mites also come from dense grown plants.
So you know, lacing out your plant, allowing sunlight, getting airflow,

(01:04:50):
all of that through the plant is the preventative way
to prevent mites from happening every year. You know, if
you're having that problem, you want to lace out your
plants better because that dense growth is where mites come from.
But if you already have them, the only way you
can get rid of them is to use a MITA side.
So look for a product with mitaside on it, and

(01:05:12):
that's fertilum dot com. Again.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Yeah, we can just flood fertilom with with all the
America people today. I do let them know that you
heard about them on Garden America if there's a place
to do so on the website. Yeah, I dont wants
to know what spider mights look like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Oh, they look like spiders. Spiders but like almost microscopic spiders.
You can't even see them, you know, they you really
can't even see and they like a flea. But a
lot of times the reason why you can identify them
is the foliage is very blotchy and they're on the
underside of the leaf and there's even like a little
bit of a webbing that occurs. So you know, aphids

(01:05:50):
are on the top of the leaf and they're green
or black, and you kind of see.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Those scales underneath the leaves also as well, isn't it on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
The stems more so? Right? Like scale? Right? And then
and mealy bug and white fly are under the underneath,
but that's kind of white and cottony, so I don't
see that anymore mealy bug or our white fly white.
You have a lot of hibiscus too, and they love hysiness.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
But I would say going back about twenty five thirty
years ago, it was all over, it was everywhere, and
then we talked about it for a long time here
on the show about using worm castings, I think to
help combat that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
It's a huge solution, right for that issue, right, and
you're probably seeing those results still, yeah, exactly, yeah, And
and worm castings are a great solution for you know,
white fly on your high biscus and other plants, because
it works. It's it's weird, but it does work. Work. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
one of those things.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Okay, bout a minute before the break, anything else we
can cover here quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
I think I'm caught up on the questions during the
break off recap because yeah, we'll do a recap. There
was a there was a whole plethora of stuff that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
Came and that and our next segment is the last segment.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Yeah, exactly, So what we're gonna do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
We'll take a break right now to extend the segment
just a little bit. So again, obviously, do stay with
us those on Bistalk Radio, Facebook Life. One more segment
coming up, our final commercial break, and then back with
our final segment here on Garden America. Okay, Facebook Live,
BIS Talk Radio. This is the final segment. We're going
to try to get to as many questions comments as
possible and maybe even recap or make sure that we're

(01:07:23):
covering everybody who is tuned in and taking part this
morning with their questions and comments.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Veronica said, so just a recap kills all can be
used on your crabgrass and raise beds. And I say,
and I'm going to write back, yes, just don't spray
on the plants you want in the bed, because that
is the one I recommend. Yes, And then I think

(01:07:54):
I'm caught up. Now, how often, oh Rachelle, how often
should you use worm castings prevent whitefly once a year.
Really it's all it needs. Even you can probably go
farther than that, meaning like once every two years or so.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Do you use it before you see them?

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
If you do, I mean, like I say, it's it's
really just a bet off it. There's no harm. So
all you really need, let's say a high biscus bush
four feet tall, four feet wide, if you wanted to
use worm castings on that, you're gonna put about three
cups of worm castings at the base of the plant,
water it in, let it soak in. If you were
to do that once a year, I'd say you prevent

(01:08:34):
white fly. You know, if you do it once every
two years, you're probably still gonna be at some good
results from here. And it really just comes down to
the worm casting just stay in the soil. There are
organic material that breaks down into the soil and the
roots take it up. So if the plant takes it
up quicker, it's going to use it up more and
you know you're just going to have to apply it

(01:08:56):
more often. But it's kind of always there, and so
you're just gonna see that the plants are growing well
no matter what, and then you know there's no harm. Like,
you can't overdo it, you know, if you're to dump the
whole bag by accident on top of the soil area.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
It's not worm happens worm. That's the key the name
worm castings. Yeah, worms are good for the soil.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
What is castings?

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Casting is when they cast the net. Castings is a
result of what the worms create. Correct, it's poop.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Well that's what.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Yeah, what they create. I was trying to be nice.
You're trying to be nice.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
I just going to be blatant. Yeah, it's worm poop.
Worm poop poop. That's a nice So when you go
to the bathroom you produce some cast castings.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Yeah, hey, who left the castings in the toilet? Delle
wants to know when it's time for dormant oil spray.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Oh, so you got to wait till things are fully dormant. So,
depending on where you're at, that's probably the December January February,
because if you apply it too early, you're going to
burn everything on there and it's going to, uh, you know,
have some negative effects on the growth. If you apply
it to late, you might affect the butted growth that's

(01:10:08):
occurring on the plant as well. So when it's dormant.
Usually you know, you're kind of cold this month. You
can't go wrong, depending.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
On where you're at January February exactly for the most part.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Do you do you feel we had a mild fall?
You mean so far so far?

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Yeah, it's been it's been uneventful. It's it's cooled off. Yeah,
we've had not rain per se. We've had sprinkles. But
we're still gearing up though.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
But like one Santa Ana wind like and it wasn't
so bad. No, Like, sometimes we have horrific Santa Ana
winds and you know, and sometimes so far not. Yeah,
it's been real much. We're in the second day of November. Yeah, yeah,
I think we're kind of almost done with Santa Ana,
though I don't I hope. I don't think there's too
much more that could, you know, cause that hot, dry

(01:11:01):
wind coming into November and December, so.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
We might have we might have answered Rochelle's question, how
often for hibiscus that is six feet tall?

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
I guess we're talking about wormcasting. Yeah, so I had
said that once cups, Yeah, three to four cups. You
really can't overdo it, but you can underdo it, meaning
if you don't put enough down there, it's not going
to be effective, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
So in other words, don't worry about overdoing it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Yeah, you can't really really overdo.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
It because you're putting back soil.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Yeah, exactly, you're putting soil on top of soil. Yeah.
Products were like that. Worst worst case situation is you uh,
you know, put it right next to the base of
the plant and begin to rot it out. But as
long as you stay away from the trunk, you're no,
no worries, care free. I wish I could tell my
guys that I got guys that worked for me for
ten years that are still burning lawns with fertilizers.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
I mean, that's like something else that that you brought
up with. I think workers where they talked about water
ringing and had to be right at the base of
the tree or the plant, and no, it could be
around it. Yeah, you know, especially like in a pot.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Yeah, you don't put it right there, you know, you
can rot it out.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
First of all, water and fertilizer they have a way
of knowing where to go and what to do, and
the plant find it and exactly and the plant knows
where to go to take it up.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Yeah, exactly. Roots are amazing what they can do well.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Didn't we talk about there was an experiment one time
where they put water and or fertilizer six feet away
from a plant and then under that the roots and
the plant found the water and their fertilizer. Yeah, and
used it and took it up. And it wasn't necessarily
right next to the plant.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
No, exactly. And and like you said, they'll find it.
And also, you know they talk about that with bulbs
and seeds, like they don't have to be planted straight
up and down for it to grow. Like the seed,
the bulb will find its way to the to the surface.
Even if it's under the soil, it's going to find
its way to the surface.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
It's a natural instinct for them to want to survive. Yeah,
despite what we do, we're you know, there's people that
can't find a way right exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Yeah. Do we get them all in?

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
I think I think we're pretty good. Do we have
We've got about a minute and a half to go.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Do we have one more spot? We've done? We're done?
Wait a minute. Yeah, John's not even here yet. Did
he miss the show? He did?

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
He's gonna be late. We'll just well, by the way,
we should mention, we're off next week, right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Oh, yeah, we are off next week right, being beautiful Norco, California.
If anybody wants to join me up there whereabouts in Norco, Norco,
that's the city at I thought you were doing that Norcl.
That'd be fun if it was Norcl.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
No, I'll be in Norco, which exactly, which is where
for those people looking.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
At at Winchester. Have you ever been in Winchester?

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
It's like at is that where the Winchester House is?

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
No, that's up in Norco. That's near sacrament there, near
a San Jo the Winchester Mystery House. Yeah. Yeah, that's
near San Jose.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
Okay, that is not where we're So give us give
us a big city, your town.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
You're if you're going if you're going north on the
fifteen from us, you're gonna pass through Temecula, right, You're
gonna pass through mir Yetta, You're gonna pass through Winchester
and hamm it and then you will be in beautiful Norcote.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
Okay, for gotcha? Well that's gonna do it. Ladies and gentlemen,
boys and girls, and all the little animals who are
gathered around the radio and the computer this morning. Thank
you for tuning in again. Off next week, we're gonna
take a break. Go to our YouTube channel, go to
our Facebook page. You can watch previous shows, so on
and so forth. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. Again,
we'll give our best, your best, I should say to
John and the Tiger's next week in Norco. I'm here,

(01:14:46):
I'm not going anywhere, but the show is not next
week but the week after. Thank you so much. This
has been and always will be guard in America.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Take care

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