1-19-25 - All Things Archery

On tonight's show, Jim and Scott interviewed Todd Ulery and John Hutchins about all things archery. They talked hunting bows, target bows, traditional archery and crossbows.

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 2 (01:00):
Every one gym Straighter here on this fold Somewhat Wendy
wintry evening, and uh we're gonna talk a bit about
the weather and effects on wildlife. This siege has lasted
way too long and it was a cruel irony that
the rain that we were supposed to get wasn't enough

(01:21):
to dissipate the snow and ice. As a matter of fact,
given the forecast going forward and the low temperatures is
gonna make it even worse. And uh so we're gonna
talk a good bit about that. But well, the main
topic tonight is gonna be archery. We've got Todd Yuleery
and John Hutchins from OPS Supply up there at Simpsonville

(01:44):
is gonna be on with us to talk about the
ATA Archery Trade Association show. We're going to talk about
new products, new bowls that are out, new strings that
are gonna have a big impact on youth and the
lady archers out there. We're gonna talk about releases, just
all kinds of products that were showcased there and a lot.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Of thoughts about that.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
And before we dive into that, Scott cronin this weather
is really starting to concern me in a big way,
and it's for a variety of reasons and I understand
that down in your All's part.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Of the state, the.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Snow and ice wasn't quite as bad as it was
throughout the rest of the Commonwealth.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
But this snow and ice.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Has excluded a lot of the animals from being able
to feed normally. And ice is always the ace kicker
when it comes to these bad conditions. And it's going
on to three weeks now. As I mentioned, we had
this rain the other day, but all it did was
press the snow down. Gonna have more ice. I have

(02:53):
found one dead deer that the coyotes took down. It
was a fun here. Recently, I've got another one. It
is injured. I think the couch are probably gonna finish
her off. But I got big concerns, Scott about the turkeys,
because deer can kind of grub down and get buying brows.
But turkeys, you know, without acorns or food crops, they

(03:17):
got a really tough time right now. And this has
been a long, long spell now, and I think we're
going to see several things, one of which is I
honestly think there's a good possibility there's gonna be low
birth rate in some of the dose because Scott, you
talked earlier in the year about your concerned about some

(03:38):
of the body weights after the rut and the lack
of acorns in some areas and food, and now we've
got this on the heels of it. So it's not
a pretty picture. And I can't help but be concerned.
I know you are as well.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
I am with body condition of these females coming off
of the rut. They've got to have the nutrition value
in their bloodstream in the way that their anatomy and
physiology works that Mother nature wants them to be sustainable
to be able to continue that pregnancy. So there's two
ways that just can unfold. You have it to where

(04:14):
if the doose don't have the nutrition in what they need,
it could block the ability of them to reproduce at
the beginning because their heat their extra cycle will be off.
And then secondly, it could lead to the point where
the animal itself could terminate the pregnancy if nutrition values
get to the point where it's not going to be

(04:35):
a good process of that animal to carry the offspring
in them. And that's just how mother nature does it.
And mother nature can be cruel, but we don't have
to be. And this is where our work with habitat
and how we harvest and contain our management plans within
our small acres of private and public grounds can really

(04:57):
pay off. And with the season line and in most
states for whitetail deer jim other than the Southern States,
folks still have a few hours and days left to
go out there and harvest some deer if they have
a buck tag in their pocket and can legally harvest
a buck, or if they could go and harvest some
dose that they have tags for carrying capacity in population density,

(05:20):
that something will help the listeners with through the year
and where that plays a rowing in the management of
wildlife species.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
But turns.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
It's not just the food that is going to be
impacting them when snow and ice hits. What also happens
is a lot of our predators have to increase their
caloric intake because these lower temperatures we require them to
keep and maintain their body heat. And when these predators

(05:50):
have to deal with the cold weather jim, that puts
them on the hunt even more and it makes a
lot of our game animals that we want more successful
for predators.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
No question about that.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
And something else you and I have discussed and it's
a little more proof in the putting about.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Where we're at is that antler drop.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I want you to speak to that because you and
I have both been keeping tabs on that and these
these bucks are shedding.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
Casting of antlers has been a little higher than average.
This started pretty quickly after the close of our modern
gun season, actually around the Thanksgiving time period late November
into early December, several hunters were starting to get trail
camera images and out in the field with a lot

(06:40):
of our small game hunters. Time in the field has
allowed us to walk many miles and see a lot
of different territory and terrain, and it's not uncommon right
now to be catching deer that if cast those antlers
are to see an antler that's been cast or shed
along the edge of a field and the thick gets
some bedding areas rabbit hunting, and we're somewhere around that

(07:03):
twenty to thirty percent mark of deer that have at
least lost one side of their antlers, and several of
my friends that have still continued to get out and
hunt jim most of those that have harvested bucks in
the last ten days to two weeks. When those deer
have gone to be recovered just by grabbing those antlers
to pick the animal up to admire, pose it, or

(07:26):
drag it out the antler's cast, and they're left with
a little extra work for the taxidermist.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yes, sir, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
I do want to mention too that as we move
through this period, I don't know any other way to
say this, oh, that I'm very very angry that with
this type of weather, it points out something that we
have talked about and I'm sorry, but I'm really teed
off about it. Is the fact that in many of

(07:57):
the Kentucky counties, because of this seed up ad deal,
people can't feed deer and they're not supposed to have
mineral out and it's at times like these this very
type of situation where that becomes a cruel joke.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
And when I say a joke, I mean it is
a joke.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
There's no science, there's no peer reviewed literature out there
that proves that CWD is caused by feeding of deer
or mineral blocks. You know, we talked about this on
the show, but here it is comeing full circle. And
I got to tell you sportsmen and women out there
who own private property in those Counties. My heart's bleeding

(08:38):
for you because I know you want to feed. I
know you know you should be feeding, and unfortunately the
Department Official Wildlife has.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Said, no, you can't do it.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
And I really wish that or go to a tork
pace at this point because it's not based by the science,
and for these deer and turkeys to be suffering through
this period with that supplemental feeding is not a good thing.
So I just want to point that out because my
heart really does bleed for folks that care and want

(09:09):
to do the right thing by the critters and they
can't do it because somebody's cockamami idea about what spreads
that disease. All right, I'm gonna go to break folks,
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They'll be at booth ten thirty. All right, folks, as promised,
we're gonna talk archery tonight. We're talking with Todd Ewery
and John Hutchins their op supply which is right there
in Simpsonville to the Fleet Market and fellas, welcome to
the show.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
Yeah, it's good to bember Jim.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yes, sir, thank you Todd, that'd be back, yes, sir. Uh.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
We're gonna start off talking about the ATA show because
it's show season and this is the period of the
year when people roll out new products and you folks
obviously participate in that and got some news about some
of the new products out there, and uh, just I
guess give us an overview of the show if if

(11:08):
you would to kick things off and what where do
you think the industry is headed right now?

Speaker 6 (11:15):
Well, Jim, I think we've talked already somewhat about ourselves.
But after being at several and attending several of the atas,
the ATA this year was kind of It had its standouts,
but I'm a little concerned that we're we kind of
left the archery archery behind a lot there show, But

(11:37):
there were some cool things that came out. Like I said,
I'm just going to hit it right off the bat
and Gas Boast Rings knocked it down the park this
year with the new system X. It's a new set
of strings and proprietary blend that Eric and the guys
there at Gas developed their sales. This thing is giving
five to seven in some cases even nine feet a

(11:59):
second two to a shooter, which is is a huge
thing for for most most folks, but especially for those
that are shooting white pounds, whether it be some of
our seniors or our youth, or are our ladies. It
gives them an opportunity to hit a tape that's correct
and not have to guess uh, And it's so far

(12:19):
as proving to be pretty special.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
And and what what are the materials in that exactly?

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Do you do you know? Or how does that provide that?
I know they set as proprietary, but what you thought?

Speaker 6 (12:34):
I think that's where I think that's where Eric wants
to leave it. I really do. I spoke to some
of the guys there at the show and things, and
they're not letting the cat out of the bag. All
I know is that they are seemingly non twist, a
lot like gases ghost strings that a lot of us
are familiar with. They the peak twist is not near

(12:55):
as bad and they seem to be holding up fairly well.
So I'm not sure on the makeup or the recipe,
but wherever they've cooked up has worked well.

Speaker 7 (13:06):
We're going to let the cut out of the bag.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
About the archery industry right now, and that is that
this is going to be the year for those of
us that really enjoy target archery and honey with archery equipment,
and we're talking everything from traditional bows to trad shooters,
cross bows, vertical boats. There's going to be a lot

(13:28):
of products that folks will be able to look into
and utilize a pro shop and the importance of finding
a good pro shop where service can be provided and
sites can be tweaked and arrows can be looked at,
and we can avoid all this non accredited self made

(13:50):
professional on the YouTube social media platform where guys like
Todd and John can absolutely serve customer. Customer service is
going to be the number one thing that I think
developed from all of our feedback coming from the ATA Show,
and it is how important it is to find a
good pro shop, how important it is to understand poundage

(14:13):
and understand arroweight and understand the different types of releases.
Because I'm going to go ahead and say it, in
twenty twenty five, I'm going to challenge people to realize
that this is going to be the year to work
on your mechanics in your form and developing your skill
of archery instead of developing your ability to talk about

(14:33):
this brand or that brand.

Speaker 6 (14:36):
For I don't know that that's just twenty twenty five.
That's should be something that should have been in our
heritage for a long time.

Speaker 7 (14:42):
That's right, Well, I mean to.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Hear Old's point about not so much new stuff at
the show. They pushed the envelope on a lot of
these things to where, let's face it, bowls have gotten
so expensive that a lot of people are very timid
about upgrading for economic reasons, and they're not gaining that
much out of a new bowl in terms of, you

(15:08):
know what it'll give me at the end of the day.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
So Scott's made a great point there.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
It's just super important to understand the bow. You have
to maintain it, become very familiar with it, and allow
professionals to enable you to get all you can out
of gear that you already have.

Speaker 7 (15:28):
Yeah, that's Darton.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Darton's gonna come on to the scene for a lot
of people this year, right John and Todd.

Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yes, definitely definitely.

Speaker 8 (15:38):
Dark Dark made some great advances over these last over
this last year or two, a lot of a lot
of good models out there, a lot of shootable bows.
And one of the things that we really really like
about Darton right now is there a company that's not
only putting out these flagship models that might cost you,

(15:59):
you know, you're getting into that dollar range that you
were talking about, Jim, but they also have some great
models that are more what we would call the blue
collar boat, something that fits that lower budget a little
bit better or allows somebody to maybe buy a new
bow and get some nice accessories versus buy an expensive
bow and having to kind of cheap out on everything else.

Speaker 6 (16:21):
Well, Darton too, guys. Let's not forget. And Darton may
be busting onto the scene, but let's not forget. Darton's
been around the South almost as long as you're McPherson
companies and other major bow manufacturers. They've just been selling
technology to these other companies in order to forward their bill.
So I mean, we're not talking a new company here.

(16:43):
They've been around for years. They just they've just they've
decided to come out of the shadows and say, okay,
we want to do this. And I'm telling you they've
got the number one selling Perlancaster bow in the country
right now. In the Consequence too, which is just an
entry level you know, grow with you if you would
like to call it that bow. But it performs well,

(17:03):
we've done speed tests getting two and ninety nine feet
a second with a five hundred grand hunting area they
in the shop. So these bows aren't leaving much, you.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Know, did they have any new models at it?

Speaker 6 (17:18):
The show, John to let you cover that one brother.

Speaker 8 (17:23):
Yeah, Yeah, Darton, Darton, they're big one this year. Of course,
last year they'd come out with the last couple of
years they've been carrying the sequel and that's their their
main flagship. And for them this year to have this
sequel st that they're actually putting out where they've they've
done a few tweaks on it and you know, basically
trying to make it a little bit more shootable, make

(17:46):
it a little bit easier to work on. You know,
for years, you know, there's been companies such as Elite
that's had very simplistic ways of being able to tune
a bow, and now you're seeing it coming from companies
like Botech for Matthews and now even Darton, where they're
giving us the ability to be able to make adjustments

(18:06):
on these bows without even using a boat press, to
be able to get things tuned in well. And so
I think that was one of their big pushes, was
to try to get into that more of a shoot
ability market while also eliminating some vibration and being able
to work through that.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Well's that's really good news because shoot ability, at the
end of the day is everything, especially when you're hunting
or at the fine points at target archery.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
I mean, if you can't hit the.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Spot, then what do you got for lack of a
better way to describe it. All right, fellas will stick
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(19:22):
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Speaker 3 (19:49):
Scott A lot to talk about here, let's kick it off.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
There will always be a broad head topic debate in
battle as long as archery equipment is being utilized for
hunting purposes. But the good thing is we're seeing some
changes and we're seeing some broadheads that are really starting
to put consistent results together for hunters and the fixed

(20:18):
blade and the mechanical world.

Speaker 7 (20:21):
And so with that said, it's nothing.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
Against Farandyne and the Rage Broadhead or some of the
others that have had a long successful record, but in
and out of the pro shop and in and out
of the stores going to different trade shows, G five
is dominating in massive ways with mechanical broadheads. And then

(20:46):
we've got a neighbor to the north of us and
John that is doing.

Speaker 7 (20:51):
A whole lot in the fixed blade ARENAUS.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
So talk to us a little bit about what you're seeing,
what you're hearing besides us the newest commercials and the
latest ad in the magazines with how customers are or
are not satisfied with certain new broadheads or broadheads that
are just growing in their recognition.

Speaker 6 (21:13):
I'm gonna jump in here. I'll take the fixed blade.
John'll let you take off with the mechanical side butt
you mentioned in there. Our neighbor to the north and
the guys up at VPA Chess Singer Stringer and the
guys there have really come out of the gate. I
mean they've been in and around the archery world for

(21:33):
quite some time. Mostly guys leaned toward them for traditional archery,
whether whatever that method inquires for them, but lean more
that way just because they were one hundred percent solid
steel broadhead that was crazily sharp and flew accurately. But

(21:55):
what we're finding is is this year, especially to the
shop man, I have put a lot of compound folks
in them, even shooting the faster speeds, and we're finding
that and these things fly like darts. There's not the
tuning issues. We're not two inches to the left or
two inches to the right. These things are tuning even
out of crossbows. You know, We've had guys come in

(22:16):
last minute going on Kentucky elk hunts that man, my
broad heads won't tune. We can throw a set of
one hundred and fifty grain PPAs on the front and
guess what, Within five minutes, we're out the door and
they're off just you know, to a successful elk hunt.
And I mean they just like.

Speaker 7 (22:33):
Those elk hunters too, Todd.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
I think folks are really doing a good job with
bringing themselves to the world of archery and honey with
archery equipment, understanding how important it is to not just
have a broad head, but to have a sharp broad head,
one that flies well in one that they can actually
work on themselves.

Speaker 6 (22:57):
Agreed. And I think the other thing is price tag.
You know, for fifty one dollars, I can put three
heads in my pocket, and chances are, if I'm semi successful,
I've still got those three in my pocket next year.
All I've got to do is sharpen them and go
back to the field. I mean, that's I think that's
the benefit we're seeing. There's no more weak farals, there's
no more illumine them this or illumining them that. It's

(23:19):
solid cold steel and they just they and they fly. Now,
you know, we're years past. It's been tough because of
planing or whatever the case may be. These broad heads
that just and the guys of at VPA are putting
out there offer the bleeders. They offer all these little
niche things, but they also fly, and that's that's huge.

(23:40):
I mean, that's the name of our game is to
be accurate.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
And with R three and crossbow stuff is speed increases.
Not to get and jump off in the weeds with
front of center, but the faster that something begins to travel,
the more aero dynamic it needs to be. The more
precision machining that needs to exists there. But on top
of it, when something has weight behind it, and not

(24:06):
to jump off into a three hundred grane arrow or
a five hundred green arrow, but when something's traveling at
a faster speed and it hits something, it's got to
have the integrity to be able to hold up because
that impact it can be. And with a lot of
brodheads we're saying it's traumatic. I mean, we're wanting a
broad head so that an animal will hemorrhage out. We

(24:28):
have a good blood trail, we have good penetration, but
we got to remember we're trying to do damage for
a quick effective harvest, a quick effective kill. But your
broad head's got to be able to withstand the punishment
that we're going to put it. Through and faster speeds
can create a lot of problems, not just with tuning,
but just its durability and.

Speaker 7 (24:49):
Going into an animal.

Speaker 6 (24:51):
Well, and you know my whole thing. And there's been
nameless guys coming in the shop this year that's heard
this speech. But I'm one of those guys. I'd rather
hit you with a sledge hammer then hit you with
a dark you know. And and that force that we're
hitting them with, Yeah, if they're not right, we're gonna
crumple them. And that's essentially a lot of times what
the difference is in bringing that deer home to table

(25:13):
or leave them in the field. You know, Todd, what what.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Are actual components in that broadhead that make it stand
out besides the tumor building mean, obviously it's got to
be very close.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Tolerances in the head.

Speaker 6 (25:32):
They are, they're they're extremely Jim, I couldn't I couldn't
quote you the exact tolerances, but I can tell you
that out of all the fixed blades that I've shot
these things, and John seen that with his eyes in
the shop too, these things just fly, you know. And honestly,
it's a broadhead that when you look at the broad
head you're not I don't want to say this, you're

(25:53):
not as impressed by the looks from the outward, you know,
package whatever. But when you get it out in the
first the first animal you harvest with it, you see
the simplicity of it. I mean, it's scenario here god
like for example, with a quick search of going to
Vanish Point archery, it's easy for someone to understand that, hey,

(26:17):
I've got to select between a left bebble and a
right bebble.

Speaker 7 (26:20):
And this is where I want to throw kudos to
you all. This is where people.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
Somewhat need to understand where this pro shops comes into play.
Because if a boas clocking to the left or a
boat clocking to the right, or if a person's not
sure if they want one hundred and twenty five grain
or a three hundred green head, depending on their purpose,
you can go through them with different field points. You
can work with them as far as tunability, and that's

(26:45):
that's going to allow for people to understand where're all.
It's all about physics and tunaline things. But when it
really gets down to it, you're trying to make the
harmonics of that errol be truly as Ted Nugent says,
the magistic flight of the arral that doesn't just happen
from watching that YouTube video or listening to somebody on
a radio show or a podcast.

Speaker 6 (27:08):
Oh there's and you know, truthfully a lot of this.
There's hours and hours and hours that go into this.
And just because a boat fox that left doesn't mean
that necessarily is gonna fly the best. You know, there's
a lot of things that play in to part, you know,
links of the era that we could go for hours here,
and it's something that I'll be honest when we have

(27:30):
guys come in. You know, that's one of the things
that I have preached to all of our guys there
at the shop that work in there with us, is
take the time, explain, teach as we go, because you know,
that is as important to me as anything else. It's
educating folks, helping them to understand so that you know,
when I'm gone, somebody's still passing this on for years

(27:53):
and years to come. And I think, you know, harmony
is the major factor in all things with these arrows.
The majority of our bow's right now on the market
are clocking John when you say to the left, for
the most part.

Speaker 5 (28:10):
Yeah, most of them, most of them will go left.

Speaker 6 (28:13):
So you know it's it's there there, They're stay typically
staying left. You still got a few that that will
go go right occasionally, and especially with custom string makers,
and that's another thing, knowing no strings and knowing which
way and how to find that. You know, it's it's
it's easy to watch YouTube channel or a TikTok video

(28:33):
or whatever the case may be and see a guy
shooting a three hundred green broadhead and getting mystical flight
and everything being wonderful. But the SIRA apples that is,
there's very few guys that can typically make that happen
without some basic knowledge, you know.

Speaker 7 (28:50):
No doubt.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
And on the other side of the seesaw as we
go back and forth, as we all continue with archery
in the base of broadheads, John there is I would
say the biggest mass following of users going with G
five's lineup grace archery that I've ever seen it. And

(29:14):
I don't know if it's surpassed where rage was at
back in the day, but I believe that G five
is going to be just as common and eventually see
the growth that Farndine did back in the last ten years.

Speaker 8 (29:27):
Well, and Scott, I agree with you, and to be
honest with you, this is like you all, this is
nothing against rage, but simply by the construction of the
broadhead itself. I hope it gets to that point and
possibly even surpasses. You know, you get to talking about
expandable broadheads. I mean, I don't want to say it's

(29:47):
a cheat code for some people, but you know, it
tends to be the broadhead that people will go to,
so they have to spend less time broadhead tuning their error. Now,
before we go on to anything else about G five,
I want everybody out there to understand that if you
come in and you talk to me, even about expandable broadheads,

(30:07):
and if there's one of those little practice tips in
the package, I'm going to tell you to use one
of the broadheads to practice with, or if you don't
think you have enough, by another pack.

Speaker 5 (30:19):
That way, you're using the actual.

Speaker 8 (30:21):
Head itself to be able to practice with and make
sure it's flying right, because a lot of those practice
tips still won't fly exactly like that broadhead will. And
of course our whole goal is to be ethical with
putting down an animal. But when you get to the
win five broadheads. Yeah, the g fives themselves. The thing
that we love about them, and I think a lot

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of people are seeing, is simply how the blades are
stowed and the fact that they're laid down along the
side of the feral, giving it a cutting edge even
if that you know, ninety nine percent of the time
that blade is going to open perfectly. But if you
happen to have that one percent or that point oh

(31:02):
one percent or whatever where that blade doesn't want to deploy,
you still have an exposed cutting edge that Todd correct
me if I'm wrong. I want to stay somewhere around
like an inch and a quarter cut even if they
don't deploy, which is the same size as what we
used to use with the ninety grain muzzies years ago.
You know, you had the engine a quarter cut on
the four blade four blade ninety grain muzzy. So you

(31:25):
still have that cutting surface exposed, unlike some other expandable
broadheads where they hide that blade inside the farrell and
if it doesn't open, you're not cutting.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
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Speaker 2 (32:04):
Okay, guys, we were talking broad heads there before the break,
and Scott, I think we need to talk about the
differences between what do you expect out of mechanicals versus
fixed heads, especially when you go back and forth from
traditional to compound.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
Absolutely, and as time goes on, what we talked about
yesterday still seems like yesterday to me, but you track
back old episodes Jim and two two and a half
years ago, we started trying to explain the people to
help them increase their odds in harvesting deer and finding
their game, where tracking dogs come in to play, and

(32:45):
what folks are.

Speaker 7 (32:47):
Finding and seeing.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
The most important things that I think Todd and John
and Jim, yourself and me will tell everybody is if
your equipment is set up right, and you do your
part and make an effective shot, and you know truly
what your ranges are and not try to push the
limits archery. Harvest can be some of the quickest, most

(33:10):
humane kills on deer that there ever is, and that's
what we're going for. And when we start taking and
we complicate things, and I think that's what's going to
be really sweet later in the program as we talk
more about traditional archery and where people find comfort in
that when you go to select your bow or you

(33:31):
select what truck you drive, you should be doing all
of these things based off of knowledge.

Speaker 7 (33:38):
You should be doing all of.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
These things bought based off of a process that you've
gone through, the terrain that you hunt, your poundage, your
draw link, what type of game you're hunting with, and
it I can't hit on it enough tonight. This is
where a pro shop is so important to someone, much

(34:00):
more so than a YouTube video or a clamshell with
a piece of cardboard that's got some writing on the
back of it. If folks have had issues with penetration
or recovering their deer, or their arrows not hitting where
they're aiming with the pen and they have at least
focused on bow tuning and stuff to the point to

(34:22):
where they're confused, that's why they need to go see
a John or a Todd, and not just get the
advice from a gem Straighter or a Scott Cronin or
somebody who's a product trip. Todd and John are interacting
with people every day that are shooting and harvesting and
killing game. And if me and you go out into

(34:43):
the field gym and we kill the animal or the game.

Speaker 7 (34:46):
That we're after, well we can provide feedback.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
To one another, no different than a couple buddies sharing lunch.
But when a man's in and around a pro shop
every day and Todd trect me if I'm wrong, you
don't get to hear just the success, where you also
get to hear about the failures and the complaint as well.

Speaker 6 (35:03):
Right or wrong, most definitely, and just about every conversation
that you get into as an individual will stem back
to this one time they had a broad head that
didn't work, or it just didn't They shot the deer
and it just didn't stop. So yeah, at one hundred
percent right there. And and a lot of that, like
you said, goes back to the tuning and and and

(35:24):
just the overall I can't key on the amount of
practice that's needed. It's not open your boatcase a month
before season. It's let's keep this thing going year.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
Round that all of us need to serve in as
making ethical shots.

Speaker 7 (35:41):
That's that's rule number one of being a sportsman.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yes, no question about it.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
That tuning component, we're gonna talk about that a good
bit because if that era isn't going down range transfer
its energy property properly, you're gonna have problems.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
That's just that simple.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
And that's where tuning and understanding what your particular type
of bowl deliverance comes into play. All right, folks, got
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(36:21):
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All right, folks, we're talking all things archery tonight. Our
guests this evening are Todd Yulery and John Hutchins there
with OPS Supply, which is right up there at Simpsonville
off I sixty four at the flea market and been
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(36:45):
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Speaker 4 (36:57):
Scott, Well, we are going to get into talking shooting
trad but before we get there, let's just kind of
finish out on the more modern side of our vertical
bows with sites and releases and the importance of tuning
and arrows set up, because besides just bumping into the

(37:21):
shop and asking for what's the best broadhead or getting
a target recommendation to shoot broad heads into, I think
this time of year has proven to be very beneficial
to customers as well with the trends and the sites

(37:41):
that are not fixed and they have a variable site wheel,
or they start to want to look at going to
a single pen and they want to have a movable site.
And you have folks that are always talking about a
hene release versus a wrist release, and so.

Speaker 7 (37:57):
Todd and John tell us about what.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
We can expect when we go into a pro shop,
not only with what's new in the latest from the
ATA or a shot show, but what are you going
to provide us with service and technique and tactic When
it comes to sites, releases, aerrow specs and bold draw
weight and link.

Speaker 6 (38:21):
For example, I'm gonna let John jump off this one
real quick.

Speaker 8 (38:28):
Yeah, yeah, that's fine. Well, Scott, I mean a lot
of it. We have people come in multiple times a week,
and whether they're looking for a new site, a new release,
a new arrow, well not so much errow. So let's
talk sites and releases first. The what people are really

(38:50):
what they really need us to say to them is
or ask them, is what are you planning to do
with it? And that really helps answer the question for him.
You know, you mentioned Scott this time of year. You know,
we off supply all winter long. Now we've had indoor
spot League going on, whether it be compounds or the

(39:12):
trad boats that we'll be talking about shortly, but people
being able to come in and shoot a three hundred
vegas round of spots and that tends you can use
hunting equipment for that. There's no problem with that at all.
But that also gets some of these guys to where, Okay,
I want the better slider site, I want the better releases,
I want this and that that's more set up for

(39:35):
target archery and so and we do even being in
the state of Kentucky have guys that come in that
this is all they do is shoot target archery, They
do not hunt, And so for them knowing what their
needs are really helps us and being able to direct
them in the path that they want to go. And
then on top of that, the next question, it's always

(39:56):
going to be budget, just like anything else in the industry. Releases, sites, arrows, everything,
you've got what we would consider more of a blue
collar type of a product, but then you have these
these upper premium type of products that command a premium price.
And we'll have people come in and get a little

(40:18):
sticker shocks sometimes when they see some of the prices
on on say, for instance, bow sites. But it just
really depends on what their application of that site's going
to be to how we can direct them into what
to use. And then along the same line, Scott, the releases,
we have a lot of these guys target shooters. They're

(40:40):
going to use a handheld release, whether it would be
a thumb release or a hinge, but they'll use these
different types of releases, and a lot of hunters tend
to stick to like a wrist strap just because well
simply it's it's harder to lose when it's tied to
your wrist and so you know, and so no, and

(41:00):
some of those answers from the actual customer that helps
us get to that spot.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
What are some of the more popular releases, guys? What
you know? What is what? What's the trend there?

Speaker 8 (41:20):
Yeah, and talking about the handhelds, a lot of people
are going to a thumb button release nowadays. And there's
a lot of hunters that are even using a thumb button.
They just like the feel of it, they like how
how it releases. And uh, there's a lot of good
companies out there making these products, you know, just out
the road and play City. Uh B three Archery, you know,

(41:42):
making some great wrist strapped and handheld releases. And those
are Kentucky boys making that quality product out there. And
so between them, uh Outdoor Group has Scott Archery their releases,
and then you get into the True Balls, the True
Fires everything else. But you know, they're really we've seen
a kind of a little bit of a surge towards

(42:04):
that thumb button release.

Speaker 6 (42:07):
Thumb buttons and the tension releases as well. I mean
there's this hybrid cross now that we're seeing guys that
really don't want to shoot a hinge per se right,
John doesn't want something that they can set the attention
to actually be able to hold, but to have that
let's call it perfect release of a hinge. It's been

(42:31):
a bit a big push this year.

Speaker 5 (42:34):
Okay, guys too.

Speaker 6 (42:39):
You know we were talking sites earlier. I gotta throw
this out there because it's probably one of the more innovatives.
We talked a little bit about the ATA. I've got
to pitch a bone to Brian Jones and the guys
up at B three. They have developed a new site
system and I know last time we were on the
show we talked a little bit about sight lights and

(42:59):
blinding and some things like that. They've got a new
site that has come out with an element. It's called
an Lmax. It's got a built in rechargeable light that
clips on, clips off, multi stage brightness, and it's all
built into the standard quality B three site we've always
come to know and love and available one to four
pen You know, this thing, I think is really going

(43:22):
to kind of set the world on fire because all
of us are fighting that battery thing where we unscrew
and throw batteries away, and every time we turn around,
our light is dead for some reason. This thing, this
new light on the Lmax from B three in the
Olymtics series is pretty pretty pretty impressive. Coming forwards.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
Cool, go.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Ahead.

Speaker 7 (43:50):
I'll just with all of with all of.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
The change and funning. You know, there's things that we
may not all agree with.

Speaker 7 (44:00):
Let me you talk about those sites.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
Maybe as a community of hunters, if we realize that
we're going out there and we're enjoying the sport, that's
really the important part of the factor. And I know
that over the years more people have started to utilize
across bow and cross bows have gotten a lot of
good and bad pr But when you start talking about

(44:24):
those sites and those lights, what went off in my
head was the amount of people that are aging or
using the ground beline because they're taking kids with them,
or folks that may be gain access to a field
and they don't have any trees to utilize a saddle
or stand.

Speaker 7 (44:40):
But more importantly, and this is one that is that's.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Changing more and more and more, especially as you travel
and you look out of your windshield and you have
more road time, and that is how many people are
setting in fabricated where that's by traditional building materials such
as sighting and seating or metal and fiberglass style hunting blinds,

(45:09):
and how important it is for people to be able
to draw those bows back in those types of en quarters.

Speaker 7 (45:16):
I'm not going to say Titan quarters. But one thing
that's really, really, really obvious about.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Hunting in any of those styles of blinds or setups
is you're lighting. For the most part, people have purposely
tried to make it dark on the inside of these blinds,
and to me, that's where the new improved innovations when
it comes to lighting upsights shines right or wrong.

Speaker 6 (45:44):
And we've we have we we thought this over the
years and I think you know, the first thing that happens,
and John runs one of itself right now is one
of the Elvis Styck style lights, which transfers over from
our target archery world. And it really hasn't been a
kind of a state of the art hunting light that's
came out for these sites. We've all been forced to

(46:05):
kind of stick to mediocre products at best. And that's
where this this LINUX is gonna come in. I really
feel like this thing is gonna change things because so
many people are using the muddy blinds the different brands.
And you know, why shouldn't they have the best visibility
and accuracy they can have, you know, no different than

(46:28):
having the sharpest brought head.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
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Speaker 3 (46:52):
As. There's no doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Traditional archery or traad archery is just growing about leaps
and bams and I know you guys have a passion
for that, and Scott it's you know, with the movies
and things that have promoted this.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
It's no surprised that it's growing.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
Really not only that, but for years NASP and how
it has been introduced to youth and the process and
which a young person is taught to get on the
line not just to calm their nerves and execute.

Speaker 7 (47:30):
A shot to try to improve, but.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Just to teach them an imprint to them the process
of drawing and getting set in. I think what's happened
is that the nasp archery movement has allowed for kids
to more easily transition into shooting trad equipment when they

(47:54):
want to pick up something that's not referred to as
a compound bow.

Speaker 7 (47:58):
And my right or wrong on that one, John.

Speaker 6 (48:01):
I'm gonna jump on there, because that's one of my
biggest things. And the guy who's hanging around the shop
here this day in and day out. But these kids,
when they come out of there so far advanced from
where we were when we were seven eight years old.
You know, they're coming out with such an understanding from
the principles of form, solid anchors, that kind of thing,

(48:26):
and it just makes an easy transition. I mean, just
yesterday I watched a ten year old with a hur
Way custom longbow stand up and shoot against his mentor
and end up on the podium. Going into a national tournament.
This coming here gonna be shooting against an older gentleman.

(48:46):
You know that he's kind of looked up to, But
it's because he's transitioned so easily. He's not had the
like process. It really is astounding to watch these kids
and how phenomenal, you know, we watch them day in
day out, sixty seventy kids. A lot of times in
our USA Archery program, they're at the shop, do the

(49:08):
same thing, you know, pick up whether it be a
bare bou recurve or a traditional longbow or recurve, and
they just take off with it. And it's fun. It's simple,
it's not confusing to them, you know.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
Well, shooting with fingers just the I think the magistic
value of studying how flint was used to make a
head on an arrow, utilizing feathers off of a bird.

Speaker 7 (49:36):
And though people.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
Adapt and they'll bring carbon over and they'll bring different
things from more modern archery to shooting trad I don't
know anybody ever really that has ever picked up a
long bow or recurve or anything from the trad arena,
shot it and just put it down and not tried

(49:58):
to improve the next time they shoot. It's like a
fascination and an amusement to people. And with the weight
and just people's shoulders and aging and understanding the principle
of what makes that equipment work, and studying archery, I
just think that it's something that everybody has grown to

(50:20):
love and accept and in post COVID too, I think
a lot of folks have really put a lot of time, energy,
and effort into pride of American made stuff. I think
folks have had the time to go back and not
necessarily get connected to the earth, but all of this
homesteadying and this movement that's gone on, it's just been

(50:42):
a way to connect to a person's soul. And that
is part of archery, And until you try it and
understand it, it's always that constant challenge of trying to
improve and trying to get better.

Speaker 7 (50:55):
And when your body becomes.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
Part of the bowl or the bowl is utilized with
parts of your body, it brings some type of spirit
or magistic approach to archery that is addicting.

Speaker 6 (51:09):
It is, and I'm gonna be the first one to
tell you I spent the majority of my archery career
shooting compounds during a by surgery and set up that
I had a friend introduce me to traditional just to
get me back shooting. And I haven't put it down
since it's one of those things, especially with a with

(51:29):
a long bow. Those guys that shoot them know, you
know today you're gonna love it, tomorrow you're gonna hate it,
but you just you can't put it down. It's I
want to get better. I want to you know, and
and it it's just fun. I mean, you don't have
to have expensive stuff to do it. And and it
just opens the door to so many other people to
be able to try it. Not to mention I.

Speaker 7 (51:53):
Was going to bring that up.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
You know sometimes that people they may they may have
an old bowl that has not maybe been given the
attentions that it needs.

Speaker 7 (52:02):
There again, there's another way.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
To shopping and someone like you all because it may
be something that this needs to be looked at.

Speaker 7 (52:11):
It needs to be restrung.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
And I think if we go back and look between
four h and boy scout camps and the ways in
when we got involved with kind of being in the
outdoors as children, if you think back on it, we
all probably at some point in time if we ever
attended any type of camp, or we had a cousin

(52:33):
or somebody that we visited in the summertime. Remember those
little old red fiberglass or blue bows had the rubber handles,
and you didn't care about what color your fletchings were,
whether it was wood or aluminum. You just shot as
many as you could and you tried to find as
many as you could after you shot them.

Speaker 7 (52:49):
That's just a joy of archery right there.

Speaker 6 (52:53):
It is, And like I was saying, it's it's awesome.
You'll be surprised how much you learn, even even from
my strictly compound vertical bow style shooters. Give it a try,
because what you learn in building your arrows for a
traditional bowl will help you not only in building your

(53:13):
air for your compound and making them more accurate and
fly better for you, but you're formally increased because it
has to in order to be able to shoot the
trad bow.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
I mean a lot of these people, Yeah, a lot
of people too. It's refreshing with the dough harvest.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Yes, sir, Yes, Todd. Quick question. I know we talked
a little bit about this, but it was an outen
for me. Is how many folks are shooting traditional tournaments
and coming out to shoot at your shop.

Speaker 6 (53:45):
It's been astounding. You know. We've been running leagues pretty
much all all since winter started this year, but our
trad league has grown. We had sixty some participants the
last trad night. We've got another one coming up February
the ninth, which I want to pitch this out there.
We've been blessed to have probably one of the I

(54:06):
call him the mad Scientists, a lot of comms of
trad bows, but John Starks is a big member of
our trag culture out there, and he's doing a class
actually on February of the ninth at two o'clock start time.
He will go through all the basics of trad archery
and help people that want to learn and get into it.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Cool the date again and time.

Speaker 6 (54:29):
It's February the ninth, Super Bowl Sunday at two pm.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Good deal.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Well, I know that'll be very educational for folks. All right,
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Speaker 3 (55:01):
Know you had some additional thoughts there about the traditional
archery side of things.

Speaker 6 (55:08):
Yes, just we just want folks to know that guys,
it's it's not it's not a lost art. It's it's
not something that's hard to get into, you know, as
far as if you're interested in it, you know, like
I said, come out to the class there on February ninth.
We're gonna start at two pm. It'll lead into a
traditional three D shoot that evening. But we've got options

(55:30):
in the shop. Uh. There are a lot of great
bowyers throughout the state of Kentucky. Shane Evans is a
good one with ben Leo Bow's her Way Bows. Mister
Kevin Brown built some of the best in the country
right now. Uh. There there are so many people right
here in the Commonwealth that are amazing boyers that are

(55:51):
wealth of knowledge and something that most don't know about.
Track guys they love to explain and teach. They don't
want to see their art form go away. So you know,
stop in the shop. We we love talking it. We've
got cerebal there you can try. We've got a lot
of used ones there on the shelf that people can
try new ones as well. So it's definitely something. Don't
be scared to try it. Come out and give it,

(56:13):
give it a look.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Okay, very good, Scott.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
Well, we hit our tree pretty well with equipment and
some changes with product, but there's some things that are
going on in the saddle hunting world. Tree stand hunting
will be around for a while, but we're seeing more
and more people adapting to the mobile style of hunting,

(56:40):
using a smaller stand, using a hybrid type set up
where folks will use a traditional lock on or hang
on trees stand and embrace themselves with a saddle using
lineman's belts and feathers. And then of course there's been
a big trend and push with just saddle companies in
general with platforms and the saddles themselves. So a lot

(57:04):
of companies that have traditionally only been in the scope
of product with climbing stands, ladder stands, and fixed positional
stands are now starting to come on board when they
originally said they wouldn't with the saddle hunting and mobile
hunting game. And while that's all finding good, what's more

(57:28):
important to focus on is the amount of people have
rides the saddle hunting way technique and had some negativity
towards hunting out of a saddle, and Todd a lot
of that and John a lot of that too, is
coming from the fact that people are not practicing in

(57:50):
their hunting setups on this weak side versus strong side,
understanding where that teather is. But when a person is
able to look at shooting a little bit shorter bowl,
they start practicing a little bit. They come into a
shop that you all have and offer them advice and
give lessons on bending at the waste, or how to

(58:14):
put a knee into the tree, or how to utilize
your tether to go across the front of your chest.
Tell us a little bit about how op supply could
help someone in theirform technique and taking lessons not only
be a better tree stand hunter, but also to adapt
towards this saddle movement.

Speaker 6 (58:35):
This saddle movement has took the world by storm, it
really has. And I've heard the same John, I know
you've heard it in the shop as well, when we've
sat there and talked with guys. I just I think
it's I think a lot of it boils down to
just what you said. All these brands and types are
equally opportunable when used appropriately and practice out of It's

(59:01):
just one of those things with us at the shop
right now, you know, as far as helping you, you know,
we'll be glad we've got guys that know the saddle
hunting inside and out. It's something that we've been working
toward to getting the seminar together, hopefully later, uh more
toward the spring of the year when things are a
little a little better outside the head outside with some
saddles and things. But you know, to be able just

(59:23):
to practice is is key. I mean, I don't. It
doesn't matter if you're in a ladder stand. If you
don't practice the way you're going to hunt, and for
that matter, in full camo and and with everything as
you would from the stand, it can be just as
just as deplorable, is as as not having a saddle
or or I don't like a saddle, or I don't

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like a climbing stand. I mean, I like my camo
this year because guess what, they caught a string and
I can't shoot as accurately. It's it's that simple. I
really don't, like I said, I'm a hunt with what
you like kind of guy. John, you can add your
thoughts and so jump in.

Speaker 8 (01:00:02):
Yeah, yeah, of course Todd is the guy to talk
to if you're going to do this saddle hunting thing.
He gave it a good run this year, and I had,
like you said, a few other guys in the shop
that really kind of took to that this year. Me,
I'll call me old school. I like just a regular
lock on stand or a ground blind, something simple like that.

(01:00:27):
And I don't know that it's because I wouldn't try
something else, But to me, it's just there's simplicity in that.
I know Todd Will echoed this a little bit, and
the fact that when you deer hunt, you deer hunt
year round. You know, you're always looking, You're watching trail cameras,
You're seeing what's going on. You know, we're starting to

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see now deer that maybe have been harvested by some
neighboring properties or or this or that, and we'll really
get an idea what the herd's going to look like
here in the next you know, a few months or so,
starting to see some stuff come around that way, And
when you plan for that, when you see where they
deer travel and where they're eating and where they're betting,

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I mean, just to go in there and put up
a couple stands or a couple of blinds and some cameras.
I mean, that's just the way I've always done it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:20):
I think the best part about this communication is people
have understood now that the saddle hunting technique is.

Speaker 7 (01:01:29):
It's a very good system.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
For folks that are more dependent on public on public lands.
It's a better system for a lot of folks that
may be bouncing in and out of different states, or
going into different areas that they're not familiar with, or
learning a new farm.

Speaker 7 (01:01:48):
Even if it is private.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
Before they start hanging a bunch of stands and putting
out blinds that they can utilize it.

Speaker 7 (01:01:54):
To move quickly. But it proves it. Practice is important.

Speaker 6 (01:02:00):
One hundred percent. And I'll tell you so. One more
thing in there. And I don't know folks realize this,
but if you have got guys or ladies that have
had bike injuries or you know, spinal type stuff, these
saddles too. Guys don't rule them out. Because I found
this year using myself, they're great. I may not use
them one hundred percent the way that the guy hunting

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on public ground may do. I use a lot of
ladder stands and stuff still, but I can go up
another five or ten feet above where I normally would,
and I don't have that pressure and stuff in my
lower bike and my hips that doesn't allow me to
set comfortably the rest of the day.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
So good buses in mine point to this too, is
it reminds me this whole movement, and.

Speaker 7 (01:02:47):
They either go to a shop and get some.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
Techniques or lessons. Back when we were all younger, we
shot in the haybells. We shot into pillows that we
put duct tape around. I mean, we shot into stumps,
We shot into dirt, we shot into pieces of boat
dot foam. Whatever we could create for a target back
in the day goes back to a lot of those

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traditional and lower poundedge bowls. When we got our start,
we just found or made our targets right. And when
you start looking at whether you're going to shoot trad
equipment or a compound or a crossbow, or hunt out
of saddle or hunt from a ground line.

Speaker 7 (01:03:25):
This too is where shops like yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
That deal with having three dimensional targets that you can
shoot at, you know, bigger foam, lifelike style targets. It's
a benefit to go to a shop like you all,
because not only have bows and everything else gone up
in price, targets have gotten to be pretty expensive. In
shooting on a leg, utilizing a pro shop that has

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such targets. It can be a huge cost savings to
an individual. Everything's already set up and it's in place.

Speaker 7 (01:04:00):
For you, so there's a big convenience for it there too.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
But we all talk about the devil and that would
be target panic and archery. But it's important, it's so
important that that folks realize that if you're a target shooter,
sometimes you're you're aiming or trying to hit a spot,
and when you're a hunter, sometimes you're trying to hit

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an area and cannot stress and advocate enough to people
that are out there to take advantage of an archery
shop like you all to go in and shoot targets
throughout the year that way, when the moment of truth
comes and talking mostly to the white tail hunters, that
those targets are more of a common approach of how

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you settle and go through your shot process than just
aiming at a spot on a bag or aiming down
range at the target at a certain perfect distance of yardage.
And no one is going to ever have any reservations
and look back and reflect upon their summers and their

(01:05:09):
winter months spent upon shooting on a leg or shooting
paper shooting three D targets where they can't.

Speaker 7 (01:05:14):
Say that doesn't benefit them.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
At the end of the year, when archery season rolls around,
it's time to harvest.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Game well, said Scott. All of us advocate for practicing
with our broadheads. For the hunters out there, what are
the targets that you'll find to be durable and recommend
that'll stand up to that.

Speaker 6 (01:05:41):
The target game has broad right now, It really is.
There's a lot of great companies out there. I have
a hard time steering away from the morale blocks right now.
The high rollers are something that I try to keep
in the shop all the time. This face it. We
shoot broadheads a lot of times. We'll get out here

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and we'll shoot a three D target to death and
the next thing you know, it's cutting half. With these
higher rollers. The thing I love about them of multiple dots,
you can spread it around and that thing will last
and last forever, it seems like. So, you know, we
we have really found moral products be great products. There
are several others out there right now on the market,

(01:06:22):
but I have a hard time steering away from them
just because of the longevity overall. You know, it's just
it's just a crazy thing. But as far as if
you can't even you know, if it's one of those
things expense plays in there, come out to the shop.
Like I said, Wednesdays, we've got the three D range
set up all day long from ten am to five

(01:06:45):
pm for folks to come in and shoot and also
get out and take advantages of some of these other
local clubs. Whether it be you know, if you're in
the Simpsonville area, whether it be somebody like a bike
which Bowhune Club the highest hunting scenarios set up, or
whether it's go out and check out one of your
ASA clubs giving around. You know, you'll meet a lot

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of guys through that way. You get a lot of
knowledge and you get the practice on top of it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Very good. All right, got to go to break here, folks.
This break is presented by SMI Marine. They'll be at
the Louisville Bolt RV and Sports Show. They'll be in
Booth ten thirty. Go see them and remember you never
get soaked by my friends at SMI guys. You know,
another consideration for a lot of us, because of the

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travel we.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Do nowadays and beating.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
And knocking around and side by sides, getting the stands
is a good boat case. What do you all recommend
and what are you seeing in terms of what they
can provide? Actually, and I'm talking about airline cases and
or you know, normal everyday travel.

Speaker 6 (01:07:54):
John, you can jump on that one if you like Bubba.

Speaker 5 (01:07:57):
Yeah, yeah, that don't bother me a bit.

Speaker 8 (01:08:00):
Again, I hate to keep saying it like this, Jim,
but a lot of it comes down to budget. Right now,
probably two of the best companies out there creating cases
if money's not an option or not a problem or whatever,
would be Pelican or SKAD. You know, they're both putting

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out quality products that meet standards. Like you mentioned for travel, Jim,
which comes to airline travel, there'll be TSA approved And really,
I mean once you hit that spot where you have
a TSA approved case, I mean you're gonna be able
to put it through the ring or on anything else.
But of course, you know, if you're somebody who doesn't

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want to go drop three four, five hundred dollars or
more on a bow case from them, you know, that's
when maybe look at some of the other companies like
plane O or Flambeaux, either one making some quality cases
don't necessarily break the bank too much. A lot of
those the way you actually purchase them may not be

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TSA approved, but most of those companies are also offering
interchangeable latches things like that that will be TSA approved.
But my suggestion to anyone if you're planning on getting
on a plane with your archery equipment, check those regulations first.

Speaker 5 (01:09:22):
Make sure you have it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Right well absolutely, And like Scott often says, by what
Cray once, I've always leaned towards the cases that are
TSA approved because over the law haul, they're cheap considering
they're going to last for a lifetime unless something really
stupid happens, and they'll get you through your trips, which

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lord knows all of us love to travel will again.

Speaker 5 (01:09:49):
So I just.

Speaker 7 (01:09:53):
That i've been seeing too here lately.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
Is hunter education is so important, But taking care of
your equipment is all part about growing up. And as
you earn your money and you decide what you're going
to spend it on, it doesn't matter how big of
a grown kid we are or how young we are.
We're all kids when it comes to this archery game,

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and we can be as mature about it as we
want to, but we're all still saving our money up
to buy the gadgets that we want to have, and
the sloppiness that I see in and around some other
hunters and archery shops really leaves a lot to be
desired because bow strings and cables can be made out
of all the different materials that are top secret in

(01:10:37):
the world, but razor blades and sharp edges is still
don't go well with strings and cables loaded under pressure, especially,
and I'm sure John and Todd could.

Speaker 7 (01:10:48):
Share more than one war story of.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
Somebody having much more of an issue than just a
dry fire when it comes to broadheads and not having
proper storage fee.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Tell folks Jack where you located, how to look you
up on social media and phone.

Speaker 6 (01:11:05):
Numbers and for We are located at eight twenty Buck
Creek Road here in Simpsonville, Kentucky, right off the Simpsonville
exit there of I sixty four uh, the last blue
building in the flea market. Signs are up there. You
can look us up on Facebook at ops supply pro archery.
We respond very quickly there uh, and to monitor that constantly.

(01:11:29):
We've got a TikTok channel as well. There's all kinds
of options. The phone number for the shop is five
O two, three, two, one seven, three four one. We
look forward to hearing from you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:11:41):
Very great.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Well enjoyed having you fellas, and good luck with everything.
Hats off team for everything.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
You do with the youth.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
I know that's a big, big thing in your old
s hearts and I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
Folks.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Do want to remind you some of our sponsors will
be at the Louisville Boat, RV and Sports Show sm
I will be in booth ten thirty and Yamaha Louisville
will be in booth twenty forty. You'll see him out there.
I'm sure you'll make new friends. All right, folks, that's
a wrap for tonight. God blessed, be careful out there, everybody,