1-7-24 Small game hunting with Kevin Murphy Hour 2

On tonight's show, Jim and co-host Scott Cronin talk small game hunting with Kevin Murphy, Small Game Nation social media host.

Episode Transcript

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Walked up five m, put onmy camouflage, wiped off two forty three,
and fired up my dog. Andit helps my deer stand back in
the Pine's gonna give me a tenpoint bug with eleven inch times. I'm

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a back was bald. I grewup on a dirt road. I'm my
back was born. No better placeto go, waiting on a dear wish
and a start along and be trueto my bad. I'm a backwards buck.

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All right, folks, welcome backto get straight out door, and
you're just joining the broadcast. Wetalked tonight with Kevin Murphy Long Game Nation.
Been a frequent guest on Meat Eaterfrom Steve Ranella and Kevin. Let's
talk a little bit about habitat,because gosh, we could talk about that

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for hours, I guess. Butthings have changed with the emergence of Kylde
as a major presador and the proliferationof hawks and owls that we see nowadays,
and there's been a big change.Just you and I started hunting rabbits
and quail. Of course, seventyeight winter and sends in apartment practice and

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caused a lot of this. Butlike weed fields with scattered brown just doesn't
get it anymore, does it.No, it doesn't, you know,
And that's why a lot of peopledon't realize. I took a guy rabbit
hunting yet yesterday. Oh. Ithink Tommy's probably about sixty two sixty three.

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I think he's a year or twoyounger than me. And he was
talking about this place he wanted togo. He was getting ready to have
some hip surgery. Said I wantto go rabbit hunting before I get my
hip worked on it. So I'lltake you rabbit hunting. And we went
over us as as if this placedat a lot of briers stuff, he
said, well, it's got someabandoned buildings, a hog parlor in some

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briers and stuff. But he says, I see a few rabbits in there
when I'm deer hauting. So wewent over there and pulled up and I
kind of looked it over. Ithought, well, it's probably got a
rabbit or two here, but assoon as we get after him, they're
going to probably go under a buildingfoundation or you know, run for a
hole or some kind of structure.And we got one up and got it

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pretty quick. We didn't let itcircle because we knew that you know,
that wasn't going to happen. Andwe got after a couple more, well
they did. They went under thebuilding foundations a safety and finally we got
to a place. It was likea little a little drawl with a pond
bank on the side. It wasprobably no more than an acre, and

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I thought, man, this isgoing to be the spot right there.
And we probably got up like threeor four rabbits in that place. It
was nothing more than briars and weedseed, you know, maybe maybe some
a clump of native grass here andthere, but pretty much it was one
hundred One boy got covered up frombegalized. He said, man, this

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is the most begalized I've seen inforever. Uh there was a strong covey
quill in there. Probably twenty birdsgot up. We don't even shoot them
anymore. That's our first covey thatwe've gotten up this year. And I
mean that's what I say, whetherI'm in Livingston County, Ballard County,
Critton County, what few remnants ofbirds are out there, They're going to

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be in briars, in weed seed. That's where we see them. And
that's where we find rabbits, youknow, where they can get away from
calies. They've got protection or acouple of couties. You know, they
work in teams. Uh, theycome in there and they all decimate a
rabbit population. I've got a farmthat when the deer hunters get done with

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it, they let me come inand hunt. Uh. Last year went
in there, took the local countyjudge hunting with me. We got seven
swamp rabbits that morning there. Itook him and his brother in there the
other day and he says, Man, these rabbits are unbelievable that they've changed.
I said, well, you knowthose two big colties that that we
pushed out of there. So that'sthe reason why. Uh, those those

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colties come in there, and itchanges the way that the rabbits have to
operate. Uh, they would run, I mean way, Alice. You
know, swampers notorious for running.But there's no reason for these swampers to
run because of the habitat that they'vegot there. But I had five beagles

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out after them, and we hadkilled four for swampers, and then we
got after one and it ran wayout into the into the woods and come
back in there. And then Iwent to the truck and got another dog
out and we ran it probably foranother thirty maybe forty five minutes, and
I got a shot at it andmissed. Another guy got a shot at

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it, and just I just finallyswell, that's a good breeding rabbit right
there. We want that geen pool. So we pulled out of there and
left them glom. But it wasdaylight dark. Difference from hunting last year
to hunting this year is the waythe rabbits ran, but the caliti like
they came across the ice in likeseventy seven seventy eight when the Mississippi froze

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over, and the first thing theydid they decimated the groundhog population. We
used to that used to be aweekend's forward afternoons fork to go out to
the hayfields, the soybean fields andshoot groundhogs. Within a matter of just
a short three or four years therethey completely wiped out the groundhogs. And
you know, they created dens fourrabbits to get in to go underground to

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height. Even quail going to agroundhog dan in a severe winner. But
they have been very decrimental to thesmall game population. You know, since
their introduction, there no doubt devastatingkilling machine. Yep, Scott, I've
talked a lot, Scott. Iwant you to pile in here about the

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importance to have game on your property, whether you you know or a hunter
or you just love to see songbirds, game birds, rabbits. What
have you got to have thick,dense briery cover that Kyle cannot run through?
And Scott, you've got a uniqueway of saying that about it.

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If you're not cutting and cutting,bleeding, I'll let you pile in here
and talk. Yeah, if there'sa farm that you're hoping to increase your
game species on in your non gamespecies, it doesn't matter really if it's
a small track or a larger track. When you start to go through the

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habitat, once you cover enough milesor enough area with your feet, there
should eventually be a place where you, as a human, even if you
have briarproof pants or a jacket,that you should not be able to turn
your back to it or walk sideways. And what I'm getting at is if
you can walk your farm in theaverage sized farm in state of Kentucky's going

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to be around eighty to one hundredand twenty acres if you can walk your
farm and not have a place onit that's gonna leave you bleeding and leave
you punctured by some of the vegetationthat's on the property, more than likely
you're gonna have some issues with habitatand with a lot of the cover that,
like Kevin is mentioning, and alot of the cover that we all

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have to get our pocket knife pocketknife out for to clean our gear up
with when we're done with a huntthat vegetation. It's pretty debatable because a
lot of those species that we're seeinga lot of small game in and we're
seeing a lot of our deer andturkey utilized, are sometimes labeled as invasive

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species. But that canopy and thatshelter not only protects that small game not
only from the cayo, but alsofrom the avian and aerial predation. That
is a whole lot more than whatpeople realize when it comes to impacting not
just small game but game species ingeneral. Hawks, owls, eagles,

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all of these things across the UnitedStates and even on a global level of
like where Kevin is traveling and wherehe's on, your avian species are absolutely
detrimental to our small game, andthat habitat is so important, and we
need to leave that bush hog sitting, you know, and not necessarily be
moaning every year every other year.And we need to realize that the esthetic

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value that a farm or a pieceof property will have to the human eye
is not necessarily what wildlife needs orwhat we want to see when it comes
to managing wildlife. Absolutely, letme go to a quick break. Coming
back from breaking, I want totalk about how we can create that habitat.
But before we do so, Kevin, and I think you'll agree with
me. If people say, showme a good place to rabbit hut,

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what do you think about that spot? If I'm not seeing a lot of
BlackBerry briar, both flour rolls orany of those type of brier, I'm
pretty well convient for our step footin there. It's gonna be a tough
We're not gonna see a lot ofrabbits. I agree with you, Jim.
Yeah, you've got to have thatthat cover to protect the creators.

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They're just not going to be inthere. Like I said, it's it's
got to be. As I tolduh uh one of my friends the other
day, it says we want toWe want briars that you can walk through,
but you don't want to walk through. There is what you need,
yes, sir, protect the wildlife, and the bigger the block within reason,

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the better, especially if it's gota food source near it, whether
it be a cover field alfa alphafood plots for deer adjacent to that kind
of cover that can that can reallybe magic. All right, we'll talk
about the Christian that habitat after thisbreak. This break is presented by SMI
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you never get soaked by my friendsat SMI Marine. And we're back talking
with Kevin Murphy. Before the break, guys, we were talking about briar
and the various things that tend togrow in concert with prior, which is
Japanese honeysuckle, and a lot ofother foods that rabbits ind or quail love.

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Sumac, for example, the barkof sumac. Rabbits love that like
winter. Scott tell folks how theycan create that and are pretty easy fast
and let's start first. Well,if you've got a lot of fesci you
got to eradicate it. That isdefinitely where you got to start. Yeah,
and there's several different methods that youcan do. The very first thing

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that people need to realize and understandis if they have a piece of property,
they can reduce the amount of timeand reduce their expense and actually increase
the habitat and mo less and makesure that when you do, don't mow
everything at one time. Let's justtake, for example, say you've got

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a four and a half acre fieldyour farm and you're wanting to create more
wildlife habitat, and you're wanting thathabitat to benefit multitudes of species. We
know that infrastructure, whether that's walkinga dog, using a side by side,
horseback riding, just getting out andhaving trails to walk on, we

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know that infrastructure is important to people. They don't want to necessarily walk through
weeds that are head tall, Somake your pass and do that, but
let your vegetation grow up. Thatfescue can be choked out. It may
take a couple of years for thingsto grow up. And where people want

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to flirt with this gem is whenthey look at their mowing practice. They
want to go into the mindset thatthey do not want small saplings to get
out of control, which that canbe controlled with using a handsaw or pruning
whatever they want to do a smallchainsaw. You don't want to have stobs

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to make a bad day with yourtires. But those properties are most certain
areas on your properties in the aspectthat you're looking to increase succession on the
farm and on the land, sothat in order for that game to prosper,
not only do they have food,but they've got natural areas in which

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they can bed and get away frompredators and have their their offspring and they
can flourish. If a person hasthe ability to make it even more advanced,
they can do some strip disking witha little bit of work and getting
some certifications or utilizing professionals in theindustry, they can do some low heat

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controlled burning. Folks can go inand fertilize small acres of what would typically
be a mode field to allow thoseareas to prosper and get that vegetation and
that growth that you want. Whata person wants to try to do is
they want to try to have mowingon a every other year or possibly every

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third year and not mow that areaall at one time. And some people
will know this is stripped disking orstrip mowing. Some people will even have
their farms set up in programs suchas CRP and they're familiar with this,
but without doing any of the paperwork. Basically, what it boils down to

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is let that tractor set, makesure that you're not burning as much fuel
or diesel, and let that vegetationgrow up. And you will see that
species will flourish when they have coverand food in the area. Absolutely.
Then, Kevin, neither you norI are a big advocate for or I

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guess what's the right word fan ofthese large blocks of warm seas and grasses
switch grass in particular, because it'sa monoculture. There's no food there for
the wildlife, and it's in bigblocks. It's almost impossible to hunt for
one thing. However, for folksthat have that and that can most some

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strips in it, not strips soclose together that cows can weave in and
out. My standard is you needto have at least fifty yards of stand
and cover, but it's got tohave food next to it. Too.
Many folks have bought into this ideaof they just have warm season grasses,
they're gonna have a game. Youneed to have clover or alfalfa or something

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that you plant on a yearly basiswhich can merge into your deer. In
Turkey propagation for example, soybeans arestanding corn. Leave it in there.
But without that, it just itdoesn't ride that good habitat, right.
I agree with you one hundred percent, Jim. I hunt one area and

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they've got theirs blocked off and theyhave, like I said, food trips
down through that portion for the theanimals that come out of the habitat and
they have something to feed on.But yeah, these huge blocks of native
grass. You know, if theyhad a plumb thicket down the middle,

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a brier patch, just some bareground. You know, the quail needs
needs bare ground for dusting to getinto. But uh, you know,
I hunt around a lot of thoseareas and we just stay out of them.
I mean there's really nothing in therenow. Now you know, we'll
have some rabbits. They'll run inthere, and it's like once they're in
there, yeah, they're pretty muchsafe because we're not going to spend you

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know, the whole day trying toget a shot and that fixed us.
But as far as any kind ofnutritional value whatever, I guess, you
know, the main importance of thosethings is during the brooding season for quail
and stuff. But I see somuch of it is it is so thick.
There's nothing can get through there.You know, a quail can't walk
free that that native grass. SoI think the planning rates a lot of

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things that I've walked over are waytoo too heavy that they need to lighten
up and it needs to be smarsenative grass instead of just this huge mat
of native grass. That's my personalopinion. Absolutely all right, I gotta
go to the news break here.Coming back from that, I want to
talk a little bit about squirrel habitedhow to indexed areas that provide the best

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tone now, and I'll talk toyou about guns for squirrels and suppressors.
There's something that Scott mentioned that yourrips, you know, So we'll do
that after this news break. Thenews is presented by Most Property's Heart Realty.
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And we're back and comfort with KevinMurphy Ball Game Nation. Kevin,
you know there's woods and then there'sreally good squirrel woods. And I want
your thoughts on. But I'm aguy that loves diversity. You know,
I want to see hickory, Iwant to see walnut. I definitely want

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to see oak, and I muchprefer woods that have red and white oak
because of the variation and the waythey produce achorns in the older. Again,
the more I hunt with dogs,the more the late season, I
like to see some viney cedar piecesmixed in there where the hawks can't work

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on the squirrels like they can't abig open timber. Love your thoughts,
Yeah, that's correct. You know, Uh the squirrels move seasonally with with
food sources and uh towards the endof the season, all the donbe was
have been eaten or killed. Uh. And so yeah, you wanna you
want to hunt a thicker type terrain, not the big open forest. I

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mean you there'll be squirrels in there, but I have better lock hunting the
thickets and like you said, thecedars. Uh, maybe some smaller timber
so they can you know, uhevade the aerial predators. But you know,
you just kind of got to findtheir their food sources. What they're

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eating on. Uh, you know, we've got ample amount of masks crop
this year, so you can goin about e woods and uh find some
squirrels in there now. Uh youknow later on into the winter when they've
they've eaten a lot of the ofthe masks, which I don't think they
can eat up this year. Butthey're like us. They like a change

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a diet, and they'll be towardsthe end of February if we have a
warm February in the elm trees thatstart butting out and they start feeding on
those ams. That's what I've noticedover the years. So I kind of,
you know, change around, lookfor different different places of hunt where
early season I might be in thebig stands of the hickorys and the oaks,

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and then you know the walnuts,and then just towards the end of
the season go into the some ofthe thicker stuff around the edge of pine
tickets. You know, there's theold wise tail. Well, a squirrel
cutting on a pine tree is gonnatake taste like pine tar. Well that's
just just an old wives tail.There's nothing to that that I've ever found.
So I, like I said,I just kind of like to.
You know, have different habitats.The squirrels are kind of dinural. They

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come out the first i or twoin the morning, the last hour two
in the afternoon. Give me agood misty day where it's been cold below
freezing for a week or so,then a little warm front comes in.
That's the days you need to stayout there all day long, because the
squirrels will stir. They'll stir allday, But the next day they may

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be full, and they may notstir that much. They may come out
a little bit in the morning anda little bit at night. But there
there I noticed that their activity isway down after a day of full feeding.
Also, one thing I want toadd about rabbit habitat A couple of
things you can do to manipulate thatreal easy. It's wooden pallets, you

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know. Don't throw those in thedump or burn them up. Save up
and get you a pickup truckload ofthem. Take them out there, get
you a pile of you know,four or five, pile them up,
and then about the distance that youcan throw a softball, put another pile
and just keep continuously building on thosewhere sapling can come up through him.
He might he's got an o sheetof plywood lay that on top of him.

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But that's some of the best rabbithabitat that you can make broken cinder
blocks or a load of used blockshere and there. That's something that's ever
going to disappear in your lifetime,and that provides all types of habitat for
the rabbit. You know, I'mglad you mentioned that because one of the

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best places I ever found the guyhad piled up brush piles about the same
density you're talking about, and heput pipe underneath those brush piles where the
rabbit could actually, you know,get into a pipe and get away from
the hard weather. And buddy,did he ever have the rabbits it was.

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That's a good that's a good idea. Yeah. You know, like
I said, a lot of constructionof places have used pipe, you know,
sections five or six foot long.You know, you might want to
run you a piece of bar orsomething through there to keep the calgaries from
scooting around whatever if you've got shortpieces of pipe. But yeah, any
type of protection that that rabbit canget in out of, out of the

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weather, away from predators. Yeah, that's gonna gonna increase your your rabbit
population ten vote absolutely. Kevin,tell us about your thoughts about shot gun
loans d R twenty two. I'ma subsonic guy, you know, I
shoot SK jagged and c C Isubside of call points. But you you've

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recently gotten intrigued with suppressor. Scottwas telling me this, I like your
thoughts about that and what you thinkthat brings to the play. Well,
I'm the guy that, up tillI got my suppressor, always thought,
well, the suppressors are for themachine gun guys, the you know,

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the guys, the military operators,the guys that like to play that role
and mess around with that. Sofinally, probably about three years ago,
well it was more like about I'mthinking twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, TZ
brought out a Botextual rifle four fiftyseven and they wanted me to help them

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introduce that to the market, andthey made a little video. I think
it's called Breathing Air. I thinkwatch it on YouTube. But they come
in and it's probably the first timeI'd ever maybe even shot a suppress rifle,
and I got to hunt with asuppressor and it was pretty much unbelievable

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as far as hearing protection, andI really like it. Right off the
bat, I said, well,I've got to get one of those.
So finally ended up with one,and then over the past three or four
years, I've hunted with it,and I find it's even a better tool
than what I thought. I didn'treal that just the single noise of the

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of the twenty two rifle was scaringthe squirrels as bad as you do.
I do a lot of honey bymyself, so I'm out there, like
I said, I steal pack arifle and uh with a tree and squirrel
a lot of times, you know, you just get one shot, you're
gonna make it good. But itseems the suppressors, uh you know,
they don't make near the amount ofnoise, and it's not as bad about
making squirrels run off when you treea multiple squirrel. I remember last year

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I went out and the dogs haduh some squirrels tree. There was three
on one tree, and I tookthe bottom one off first, and then
the one in the middle and thetop one, and I was pretty much
amazed that it was wasn't that biga tree, and they weren't young squirrels,
you know, the young and dumbones, but they wore material squirrels.
But the suppressor, it's just untilyou've really been around one, you

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don't realize how silence that is.And you know my hearing probably along with
yours, it's it's not worth adamn. I'm gonna have to invest in
the hearing the eight here pretty soon, sooner than the later. But we
were just brought up with not wearinghearing protection. And any of my friends
I see the young kids, Itell them saying, you what you need
to do is invest in a suppressoror your kids to have that. You

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know, it's two hundred dollars stampto get it, you got to apply
for the same. But once you'vegot it, you know you get to
use that forever in your hearing.You know, that's something you can't replace.
You can, you can get ahearing aide that's going to help you
out some, but it's your naturalhearing you'll never replace. So I'm a
big adamanate of hearing protection when kidsare out there. You know, if

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you're in a duckt line or whateverputs you some you know some ear plugs
in on the on the string orget some ear must but protect your hearing.
That's something that I was never taughtwhen I was introduced into the sporting
world, is how how critical hearingprotection is. And I try to try
to keep someone with They sometimes towear and wear them. Sometimes they don't,

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you know, just put some earplugsin. It's all you got to
do, the disposable kind. Butthe oppressor helps you immensely on that.
What's that I shoot a sub sonic. You know, ammunition is kind of
hard to still hard to get therefor a long time. I shot a
Gala. I think I'm shooting somekind of ely subsnic this year. So

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just whatever patterns you know good inyour rifle. I'm I'm a twenty two
snob, you know. I expectto high performance ammunition. You know,
I'm not much of a thunderboat orFederal lightning type guy. I want something
that's gonna group good. Has eroedmy rifle in for like thirty five yards.
I practice a lot off handed.Uh, you know, if there's
a rest there, I will usea rest. I'm not afraid to lean

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up against a tree and use itfor rest. I'm not going to get
on the ground and walt up ina ball and try to shoot something that's
for sure, because I probably can'tget up. But I shoot a lot
freehand, you know, And that'sa skill small game hunter's house that you
can practice on occasionally. I wouldkill a running squirrel with a twenty two

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rifle, you know, I cankind of kind of know what they're going
to do. A lot of times. I miss a lot, but I
hit a lot there. If you'llwatch a squirrel as he comes out to
the end of a tree limb,he will hesitate just for a half a
second or so before he jumps tothe next limb. He's sitting there doing
the calculation in his head how muchenergy he needs expelled to get over that

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that limb. So that's kind ofthe pro tip right there. If you
watch him run out to the endof the limb, even if you're a
shotgunner, you can watch him runout to the end of the limb and
then you know you got a goodclear shot Eddie right then to drop him
on the ground into twenty two.You know, I don't try to shoot
him in the head when they're running. I just try to center massle them
and and hope, hope that theyget it, and then you know,

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I like the guy that shot tentimes from the half line and in his
ball grave career and the only timethey remember is the one that he hit.
They don't remember. Yes, sir, I'm an advacate with a shot
a number fives. What are yourthoughts on that? I find it with
squirrel six's break the legs too muchand don't have the punch, And I

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hut fox squirrels a lot in riverbottoms and those jokers, man, they're
hearty animal. And I carry ashot gun during the squirrel rut, which
is I guess we ought to throwthis in here because there's no finer time
to hunt than about the tenth ofDecember through about now, you know,
the right up towards the tenth ofJenu or when squirrels are rutting because they're

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out of the dens, they're chasingand you get multiple shots. You have
any thoughts on that? Real quick? Oh yeah, I agree with you
on that. The rut, likeyou said, about about the second week
or so in December comes through.You might come out and have a tree.
It might have seven or eight whirlsin it, and so you know,

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they're pretty active chasing the females.But by far the number five is
my go to shot whether I'm rabbithunting or squirrel hunting. You know,
I try to shoot the same typeof shells that way. It's got the
same same velossity on it, soI know where my lead is. This
year, I'm shooting a little differentshell. I had a friend Mine's got

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a reloading manufacturer down Backwoods Ammunition anddown in Tennessee, and he let me
try out some some duplex fload fourto six non toxic. They're still in
business, and I've been using thosethis season, and I used them on
socie hair up in on Drummond Islandup north in Michigan and they work fine.

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And then on a swamp rabbit they'rea little bit overkilled four the cottontails.
You just got to try to holdthem on their heads, you know,
lead off of them a little bit. I know that that killed four.
Yesterday, the rabbits were real badabout running up and stopping on the
dogs, and they had one goingand want to come up and just like

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stop in front of me, andI just, you know, just hit
it right in front of his head, right on tip of his nose.
And took his head off. Uh. So you know, when you get
that chance, you know you don'twant to send her mask them. You
want to hold off. You know, don't even hold on the head,
just hold off an inch or twoand the shot going to do its work.
So you know a lot of peoplethat's taken me, you know a

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lot of years to figure that out. But just you know, practice doing
that. Don't don't just send hermask on, Aim for the head,
Aim off off the head there alittle bit and I'll just right right.
You know, a little open rabbityou can you can hold off and shooting,
shooting, you know, majority ofthe shot in the in the head.

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I use the improved cylinder point ofgauge or rabbit hunting, and I
find out that it you know,it works fine. So that's all right.
A quick break here. Kevin willcome back right after this. This
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Murphy. And Kevin we got justa few minutes here, but I think
we both share a huge concern aboutthe leasing of land by non resident hunters
in this state. That has excludedthe average person from areas to hunt small
game. It's a tragedy and Ithink it needs to be addressed going forward.
Just we're going backwards. We're losingpeople. Oh. I see more

(32:31):
and more areas that I used toget hunt, and you know it's being
leased up by hunting clubs, peoplefrom out of state. That's a big
thing. You know. I'm fortunateenough that some places they let me come
in after deer season to hunt,but a lot of people don't have that
opportunity. And you know, there'sa lot of big, big deer clubs

(32:55):
out there and they lease huge tracksof land that used to be at to
hunters. That's that's no longer availableout there are a lot of our public
hunting. Uh has gone into astate of huge timber that needs to be
cut. Uh. I used tobe against any kind of temper cutting whatsoever.

(33:20):
Uh I really realized that you haveto have those margin, you know,
those areas of new growth coming infor all types of wildlife. It's
good for this squirrel's birds, butterfly, deer, turkey, all that.
But yeah, we have a lotof a lot of land that's been leased
up, and you know it's alllimits to hunting now. So I don't
know. I don't know what youdo to alleviate that. You know,

(33:43):
this people's property, they pay taxeson it, they're looking for for resources.
I don't know. You know,if we we start something like other
places have where uh we lease landand then that's open to the public.
I know out of Kansas bird hunting, I forgot the name of the pro
but uh, you know Peabody usedto be a huge track of trophies there.

(34:06):
Now it's been being wheeled down.You know what I see is hunting
clubs coming next to that, andthat's you know that that happens all over
is that you'll have a WM Awhatever and then people start coming in and
building right aside of it. So, hey, Kevin, to folks where
they can look for you on socialmedia here real quick, okay on Facebook?

(34:27):
It's a small game nation. Ihang out mostly on the Instagram and
that's Murphy's Small Game Nation. SoI hope you enjoy uh listen to me
tonight, and I enjoyed being withyou and Scott Jim very much. But
hey, it's been our pleasure.We'll see you down the road Parker,
thanks you again, God bless everybody.