10-12-25 - Ed Morris, host of Grizzled Outdoor Podcasts

On tonight's show, Jim, Scott and featured guest Ed Morris, host of Grizzled Outdoor podcasts talk about safety and preparedness in the outdoors.

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 2 (01:00):
Not You and Scott and I are going to talk
about outdoor safety and the needs for outdoor safety. And honestly,
the genesis of tonight's show is the spate of death
and injuries that are coming across out of the media here.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Recently, way too many, way too many, I.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Mean, and some of them need not happen for lafe
of a better way to describe it. But it's brought
an awareness to us. And because all three of us
have been in the outdoors our whole lives, we've seen
the good, bad and ugly. Ed You and I come

(01:44):
from the days when in a lot of ways, we
didn't know how to respond to certain issues, you know,
things that come a long way in that regard. Scot's
gonna be a big asset tonight because he's been through
various safety trainings in many many states. He trains kids
about safety. So what we're going to try to do

(02:05):
tonight is number one, dispel the myth that the outdoors
is a super dangerous place to be. It's not. You
just got to be prepared, you got to understand what
you're facing.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
And most importantly, ED, don't panic.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Don't panic. Panic is not in my agenda, it's never
been in yours, it's not in Scott's. And so that's
number one I want to share tonight. No matter what
crack you're in, no matter how bad it seems, the
Good Lord will probably be on the shoulder if you
call on it. And you and I and Scott have
had to do that several times in our lives. So

(02:45):
that's what the show's about. And we're going to share
some stories about what's happening, because they can happen to anybody, honestly.
Some of them should have been avoidable, honestly, But that's
the point I'm trying to make here is a lot
of folks, whether they're in the outdoors or not, face

(03:07):
death every day. They put it out of their minds.
You could get it at a red light stop signing,
you know. There's just you can get electricuted in your
home following your back to There's so many different ways
getting struck by lightning on a golf course. There's a
lot of other ways you can get hurt. But our duty,
our situation tonight is to share with people how to

(03:32):
handle these things, how to avoid these things, and enjoy
the outdoors where this is not an issue. Now ed
you all have covered this on your podcast that you
do with Colonel Abel and Larry Richards, two gentlemen that
I've known for a long long time. I've known Richards
as long as i've known you, which is what fifty

(03:52):
years fifty years where we've shared outdoor experiences and we
got some stories we're going to tell. But tell folks
a little bit about yours podcast, what you all do,
because you covered these issues just like we do.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, we've got a podcast.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
We're all ex military guys, myself, Colonel Mike Abel retired
and Larry Richards. It's called Grizzled Outdoors. We www Grizzled
outdoors dot com and we're also on Facebook and kind
of the main context of it is to give information

(04:29):
to ever sportsman, but in particular we try to tell
the grizzled, which the definition means streaked with gray, So
you and I both qualify for this, sir, But as
how to keep the older sportsmen in the field opportunities
things they can do and still be active, still enjoy

(04:49):
their their sporting careers and not have to hang up
their bows or guns or fishing rods. And that's that's
pretty much the context of Grizzled Outdoors. Although we provide
information for everybody we hunt all over the world. Africa, Argentina, Wyoming, Colorado, Spain,
you name it, we're usually somewhere hunting, fishing absolutely well.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
As I often say about all you guys, when I
grow up, I want to be just like you guys,
although we're brothers by another mother in many many ways. So, folks,
that's what the show's about tonight. I'm gonna go to
break so we can get this rolling right away because
we've got a lot of ground to cover. But again,
this is a unique opportunity I think for you as

(05:36):
the audience, to understand there are dangers out there, here's
how to handle it yourself, here's how to mitigate if
things happen, and hopefully, as you've moved through life and
that doors, we can help you stay safe and get
you to the right people in case something bad happening. So,
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(05:59):
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(06:22):
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SMI all right ed again. One of the reasons we're
having this shoulder night is all these crazy things that
are popping up in the media. Enumerate some of them,
because some of them are needless.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Some of them are razy. But it's really tragic, is
what it is.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Where I hunt elk hunt in the San Juan Mountains,
we had the two young young men twenty five years
old that took off l hunting and still don't know why,
but they left all their pick, their water, everything at
their truck and took off. Our guess is everybody's guesses.

(07:05):
They heard the elk bugle, grabbed their bows and took off,
and of course, you know how it is when you
get chasing one, all of a sudden you look up
and they got out there. Their bodies were found less
than two miles from the truck. They got caught in
a big storm. No no tent, no shelter, no nothing.
And what did they do. They sought shelter under the

(07:27):
big tall tree and they both got hit by lightning
and died. At first, everybody thought they died hypothermia because
the storm hit them, but when they did the autopsy,
they both were killed. Within a week's time, two duck
hunters and both their dogs were saying, we're electrocuted, hit
by lightning in Florida. Duck hunt earlywood duck until two

(07:50):
more dead. We've got a couple of tree stand accidents already,
guys killed one Connecticut, one on Wisconsin. People falling, tree
stands collapsed, falling. We've got the big tragedy here at home.
Was a fifteen year old young man from Campbellsville, Kentucky,
fishing at Toledo Ben in that high school or collegis

(08:11):
High School, a collegiate kayak bash tournament down there, representing
the state of Kentucky. He turned up missing that They
found him a couple of days later. He had drowned.
Didn't have his PDF or anything on. But a big
storm rolled into Toledo Ben. And I mean, it's just
one of grizzly bear attacks. We've had two people killed
in Arkansas with black bear attacks, a lot of predator attacks.

(08:38):
The bass fisherman, the major league guy competing in Major
League fishing, running his boat wide open, not paying the attention.
I think Scott's gonna talk a little bit about that
or you later, and hits a boat and kills three people.
He's now been indicted far involuntary manslaughter. I mean, there's
just been so one after the other after the other.

(09:00):
Like you and I were talking on the phone the
other day, which kind of led to this show. Is
just so many needless deaths that didn't need to happen.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
No, they don't. Let's start with one of the obvious ones.
Because anybody knows anything about me, knows Jimbo don't do lightning.
This one's an easy one, and the reason being I've
had it almost killed me several times. I was fishing

(09:31):
up on the Kentucky River. One time in the pond.
Thank god I had on rubber waiters. It's up Perry
Perry Park where you fish with me before, ye and
lightning was coming up to Kentucky River. But it was
way off, I mean way off, and I thought, well,
I got plenty of time. Well, but I hurt thunder.
And here's the key. You hear thunder. Okay, Well, if.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
You hear thunder, you can be hit by.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Lightning correct one hundred percent, And next thing I know,
a lightning bolt hit the lake, lit up the whole world.
My clue to what was gonna happen. This is unbelievable.
I made a cast and my line stayed up there.
I was like, what in the world there was that
static electricity holding that mono filming up? And I can't

(10:21):
explain this really, but I instinctively ducked when I saw
that boom the whole world turned white. Had a similar
thing happen when I was working on a fence in
National Forest down in Florida. I've been through it a lot.
Don't do light me. I mean, I don't know how

(10:42):
many times I see guys staying out on the water
bass vision. Scott, You and I've talked about this a lot.
You just the risk is simply not worth it, and
the statistics are as bad as some of the other
things we're going to talk about tonight. But I will
tell you this, lightning take those prisoners period, and.

Speaker 4 (11:03):
We've already seen that this year already, and there's lightning
des every year, you know, and Scott could probably expand
on a little bit longer. But what we were talking
years ago was, you know, find a ditch, find a
low spot, stay away from the big tall trees. U
the two gentlemen in Colorado and the two gentlemen in

(11:23):
Florida that were all hit by they were all their
bodies were all found underneath big tall trees. They had
went there to duck out of the storm. And it's
the worst place you can go in a lightning storm.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
And get away from any metal of your bowl you're gun,
get away from it if you're caught out, Scott, You'll
be a good person to talk to about this, as
I know you and I have the experienced. Just I've
been caught in those lightning storms guys like you all
have up on the mountains. Oh my god, when they
come in, it like a strike every ten seconds. I

(11:56):
don't know about you guys, but I get away from
all my metal. I don't care what it's awful me
and I'm utter a rock, Scott.

Speaker 5 (12:05):
I think a lot of times what happens is the
reason why people are under a tall tree is because
they're gaining shelter from the rain, and their common sense
makes them go to a place to stay dry, to
keep their rifle scopes clear. Moisture their packs, you know,
and no one likes to get wet, you know, period,

(12:27):
and common sense is what sometimes is not exercised when
a lot of these accidents occur. And I think, probably
if you'll dig deep into these accidents, folks went to
the tall tree for the shelter of the rain and
didn't realize that they put the odds in their place
to be struck by lightning. But one of the most

(12:48):
important things about any of these accidents as we've moved
through tonight, is no matter if it's lightning or in
a boat or dealing with predators, is you're hunting with
your family and your friends. And we're not supposed to
have enemies. But I want you to think about how
important that is that you may be saving the life

(13:11):
of your own child, your father, your son, your daughter,
your wife, or just someone that you've served in war
with or just a lifelong friend. We tend not to
get in the woods or on the water with folks
that we don't typically like to be around.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Right.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
We go into those scenarios where it's people that we
love and we care about, and a lot of times
these accidents occur. We think it's always about wisdom and
it's not. There's just as many young people that are
getting hurt and killed as there are older people. So
no one's immune to this.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Absolutely absolutely, And there's ed just so many ways that
things can happen, I mean, and we'll go through them.
But the lighting is for me, I said, the easy one,
because you just don't have any business being out there.
I've seen so many people find the face of that

(14:08):
is the only way I can describe it. Especially if
the fish are biting the head of a storm kilt
these charge you're on them. Okay, but but you know
what I've learned through the years too, once the lightning starts,
fish turn off. I don't know what that's about, but
they must probably feel that pulse. But the point being,

(14:32):
is any fish of a lifetime worth your life?

Speaker 3 (14:37):
You know?

Speaker 4 (14:38):
The big thing about it is, especially if you're out
west where we hunt a lot, but even here is
watching the weather looking you know, you start seeing dark
clouds or the wind starting to pick up.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
I don't know if you.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
I'm sure you have you been in the middle of
Kentucky Lake. Oh buddy, well, Scott lives there. I'm sure
he has. You get out in middle of Kentucky Lake
and a quick one blows in and all of a
sudden you got white caps that are I mean major
white caps and have been a lot of people drown
in Kentucky Lake. You've got to be, like Scott said
a minute ago, even with predators, you've got to be

(15:14):
aware of what's going on around you. You can't just
be focused on I'm gonna do this, or I'm gonna
cast here, I'm gonna shoot this there.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
You've got to know everything.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
But in particular and nowadays with your phones, I've just
got a weather alert a minute ago here on my phone.
You know Wave three D and WHA S both have
weather abs and it tells you, oh, you're you're clear tomorrow.
We didn't have it in those days. We didn't have
cell phones. You just got to keep your eyes and

(15:45):
be aware and watch what that weather is doing because
weather will kill you.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
On the heartbeat awareness. I'm gonna throw this out. I
want you guys to hear in the next three minutes,
talk about this. You sell them. See lightning strike low place,
it's almost always a point on the lake, a high spot,
a higher tree. Those are things if you're caught out
there and you cannot get to other shelter, avoid high spots,

(16:13):
tall trees, points on lakes, Get in the back of
a cove, get low and flat. Up in the mountain,
get flat, get flat. I mean, don't make yourself the
object that that lightning wants to strike it. Do not
a little bit of bow a gratified ride. I mean,
you're talking about lightning ride.

Speaker 5 (16:35):
It's gotten well, it's just there's just so many times
that even if you watch the weather, you've got to
have a plan of action to even get out of it.
I mean, it is something as common as just knowing
whether you should drive into the wave or go to
the side of the wave, and you do so many

(16:58):
different things in your head. Got to think about is
it goes back to what Ed said, don't panic. You've
got to be willing to accept the fact that you've
got to get yourself out of a situation. Even if
you've prepared to look at the weather, because especially in
the summertime, you've got wind and lightning and hell that

(17:18):
can come up at any given time. That's why it's
a thunderstorm. And just knowing when to get out of
that boat, when to you know, go to the shore,
and wear your life vest and like you're saying, Jim,
just don't put yourself around an area that's got a
higher percentage of being struck.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
You know. I mean it.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
Basically goes back to where does electricity go to? And
you don't want it to go to you?

Speaker 2 (17:43):
You better believe it? All right, folks, willing to talk
about again, a lot of other outdoor dangerous going forward,
everything from bears to you name it, first aid kits,
first aid kits, heart attacks, what to do with a
friend has unbelievably that event when you're out there, awarreed

(18:04):
us about you need to share that information so you
know where someone's prone to something like that. So we're
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(18:30):
we've talked about some of the things that go on
out there, Scott, let's go through some of the safety
essentials and the things that you and Ed and I
talked about before we went on there. Because there's a
Dutch mixture of those things and they can really help
you stay out of trouble. Well.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
First and foremost is outdoorsman. A lot of times our
best fishing and hunting spots we don't want to reveal
to anybody, And I'm gonna lean more on the male
side of this. I think females just naturally have always
got a little bit more of an instinct of maybe

(19:12):
letting people know ahead of time if something was to
go wrong, to give details and information. But I'll admit
that as a male, very early on, I didn't want
people to know where I was at and finding someone
you can trust to give information to about maybe the
farm that you're on, or maybe give them some type

(19:34):
of GPS coordinates into an area of public land that
you're going to be on. That's important. And in a
lot of areas, even though we're living in modern times,
still do not have seales service. A lot of times
people can lose their phone. Sometimes we may have a
battery go dead. We don't have to go right into

(19:55):
the grizzly bear attacks. When we start talking about first
aid and safety, make sure that folks know that you're
on the farm. It's always good to check in with
the landowner, let them know that you're entering the property,
let them know when you're off the farm. If you
get into that habit early on, then they're going to
know automatically an hour after dark if you haven't sent

(20:17):
them a text message or called them to say thank
you for hunting, that something could be up. And a
lot of these accidents are going to be based on
how you get that first response. Sometimes we're by ourselves.
A lot of times we're in remote locations and places
where we have a little bit of a lag of
time before people find us. And you've got to be

(20:39):
thinking about this and minutes and hours and seconds when
things matter, and having a plan of what to do
if something goes wrong is important. And it's important that
you talk to people about your hunting and fishing and
outdoor adventures, just like you talk about your life insurance
or you discuss your will. And the reason for this

(21:04):
is is there will be circumstances where people knowing where
you're at will get you the first responders and the
medical attention, the rescue help that you need. And and
it's very important that folks aren't doing a search and
rescue for you. If you have something as simple as
a spring ankle or something as complicated as you know,

(21:26):
bleeding out. And and every scenario is going to change
based on whether or not you're in a hunting party
or you're doing something by yourself.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Ed. You've got a military accroism for this.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
Yeah, and and and especially Colonel Mike will will stress it.
It's called gottla go O t w A gottla And
if you're have ever been around the military, you've you've
heard that term. And it's exactly what Scott just said.
You know, g is knowing where are you going, all

(22:01):
the things that go with that, letting other people know.
The O is others who's going with you, making sure
that everybody kind of knows where everybody's gonna be at.
The T is time, What time are you expected back,
What time should you be back in camp? What time
should you be calling to check in with somebody. I

(22:23):
have a personal rule with my wife. You know, I'm
like you, I'm in my seventies and I still hunt
from a tree and it scares my wife.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
But as soon as i'm.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
Down at night and I'm back on the ground and
I'm walking back to my truck, I call my wife.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
I say, hey, I'm back, I'm headed to the truck.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Everything's good. And she knows that the W is the
what if? Okay, what if I don't call her? Then
she knows to call a couple of my hunting buddies
because they always know where I'm going to be.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
We talk every day. You know, Hey, what's staying here.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
I'm gonna be at White Oaks, I'm gonna be at
this stand, I'm gonna be wherever. And because if you're
trying to find somebody on six hundred acres of woods
in the middle of the night at two thirty in
the morning, you might be a while trying to find them.
So that is uh, and then the A and God,
what is the action plan?

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (23:22):
He hasn't called the people that you notified? What is
their plan? Who do I call ems or whatever? And
it's exactly what Scott said, letting people know with them
we're on my place down where we all hunt. You
don't leave if there's still somebody in the field. You
don't just say well, I'm a head home. So and

(23:43):
so still out there. That's just the cardinal rule. You
won't be invited back to hunt. You don't leave till
everybody's checked in, Okay, I'm down, I'm got to my
truck or whatever. You know, so important, and then letting
people know where you're at. You mentioned something earlier about
letting people know about disabilities.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
I've had guys go down on me in.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
The field years ago that I didn't know what was wrong,
you know, and they can Harley now like what especially
when we go out west.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Last guy I went with, I've got to die.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
I'm diabetic and i get low sugar, and so I'm
carrying extra candy bars just in case something happens. Letting
people know I've got a heart issue, but here's my
pills hang right here inside my shirt. If there's an issue,
let other people that you're with know, you know, knowing

(24:38):
how to recognize somebody's got heat stroke or citing hypothermia,
you know, they start babbling and all the little things
that go with that.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Like Scott said, being aware, just keeping your eyes open.

Speaker 5 (24:50):
Yes, got communications key. You got to make sure that
folks know that maybe you've not been feeling well, if
you've been dealing with cardiovascular issues, it's important to get
that out to your friends. There's so many apps that
are available now. Even when you don't have self service,
your phone still picks up on GPS satellite and so

(25:14):
life three sixty or any of these things can allow
your spouse, your friends to track you exactly where you're at,
and also keep a spare key to your automobile somewhere
underneath the frame of that vehicle on because there's a
lot of times that people go into a panic and

(25:38):
there's really not an emergency and it just boils down
to someone lost their keys, or someone locked their keys
in their truck and they can't get to their cell phone.
And a lot of these scenarios they're laughable once you
go through them, but a lot of people will get
into a frenzy in a panic. Whenever you're an hour

(25:59):
or two you know what, just communicate and you don't
always have to do things to make folks overreact. Like
what Ed was saying, I text my wife and she
always asked me, you know, are you down yet? Or
I'll be like, hey, I'm down on my way to
eat supper, love you, and that those are those are
important things. But that spare key to your side by side,

(26:22):
that spare key to your boat, that's spare key to
your truck. If you have a spare key to a lock,
any anything that you can just premeditate and think of,
think about how quickly you will have to respond or
what you'll have to do in case an emergency was
to happen as well. And when we get to the

(26:45):
point of just the basics, it's not just that cell
phone battery that can go dead. Every sportsman should have
a method to create fire, not only for light and signaling,
but just to keep warm. You should have some type
of extra batteries and so many things now can run
on lithium, and we kind of get lazy and replacing

(27:09):
and keeping batteries fresh. But have a spare flashlight. And
I know that ounces matter on a lot of these hunts,
but between the aircraft aluminum and the carbon fibers that
we have today, it's so easy to be so well
equipped with gear. And I don't know a sportsman out
there that is not asked every year for their birthday,

(27:32):
or every year for their anniversary, or every year for Christmas.
What are some things that I could get you as
a gift. And start thinking as you age and you
progress through your hunting and fishing career, start thinking about
first aid, Start thinking about things that are going to
benefit you. And so many of these things are going
to be needed just around camp. It doesn't just require

(27:54):
a situation of emergency to come up. You would be
amazed at how many folks I share camp with that
don't carry a pocket knife, or they don't have a lighter,
or they don't have, you know, batteries for their flashlight
to track game and and a lot of these things
that we can do will not only make us more
prepared in case a emergency or first aid situation arises,

(28:18):
these are all tools and what you're gonna use as
part of camp and fishing and hunting throughout your career.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Scott, you mentioned something where I got to plead ignorance
an app or something that can help if you like
three sixty all right, they talk about can.

Speaker 5 (28:38):
Track exactly where you're at, whether you have cell phone
service or not, and this can alert people. A lot
of first aid situations can occur just leaving your house
at four o'clock in the morning driving to the deer stand.
You'd be amazed at how many hunters hit a deer
before they even get to the woods to hunt a deer.
And and people can be alert emergency first responders are

(29:02):
alerted just by your phone if you're in an accident,
if you've had a significant fall. All of these things
and a lot of times your heart rate can be tracked,
your blood pressure can be tracked with smart watches. All
of these innovations that we think things have creeped into
our life are actually ways in what you can save

(29:23):
your life and get people to you in a quickly
and timely manner.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
You know, Scott, when we hunt out west, there's no
cell phone coverage because we're up eleven twelve thousand feet.
And when I first started going out there six or
seven years ago, some of my friends carry the garment
in reaches.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
I carry. It's called a Zolio z l e O
and it's small.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
It's smaller than a cell phone, probably half the size
of a cell phone, and it just clips on the
front of my pick on my chest and you program
into it whoever you want to get your GPS coordinates,
and you also put into it what frequency. Now.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
I used to have it every fifteen minutes.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
My wife got tired of her phone going off every
fifteen minutes, so now it's set for an hour, but
at once an hour it sends her my GPS coordinates,
and as I moved through the mountains, it sends to
her and also to somebody that I'm out there hunting
with somebody that's in camp. So then if they've got
to find me, they can literally look at the trail

(30:30):
of my GPS and they at least know the directions
I was headed in.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Now, it's got one of.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
Those buttons on it, like you've seen the I've fallen
and I can't get up lifelines. Well, that's got a
button on it, and you hit that button and it
sends out immediate SOS to every local EMS unit, and
it also sends out your GPS coordinates. So if you
were to fall and break a leg or accidentally shoot yourself,
you hit that button.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
And they're gonna find you. They're gonna come looking for you.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
And it cost me thirteen dollars a month to pay
the monthly. I think it costs me one hundred dollars
to buy it new, And it's thirteen dollars a month,
and I've got so I use it here in Kentucky.
I carry it with me now here because if I
were to fall or anything, all you gotta do.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Is hit that button.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
And then the other thing that you mentioned is you
go out in the woods at four point thirty in
the morning. If you're right in the middle of the
rut and you're out there, you're gonna hunt all day. Well,
come six seven o'clock at night, most people's cell phone's
going to be dead, and if something were to happen,
they can't even call out to talk. So I always carry,

(31:35):
and now I tell everybody I know carry a phone
charger and a cable with you. It doesn't take up
any room in your pick. Mine is solar powered because
out west, when you're up on the mountains, you can't
really charge it at night and plug it in, So
all you do is.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Set it on the rock.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
It's solar powers and it's one hand and I use
it to charge my my zolio, my phone, my GPS, everything,
And like you said, it's so important to stay in communication.
So there's all kinds of tools nowadays that we just
didn't have years ago to protect yourself.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
All right, before I go to break, you'll repeat these
two items Zolio z.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
L e O.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
You can look them up online. The other one's a
garment in reach. Now they both operate off the satellites. Okay,
you don't have to have any kind of cell coverage.
You can text somebody with them. You can't call, but
you can text.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Now.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
There's also another like a backup. It's called Spot. Mike
uses it a lot because it's battery powered and if
for some reason you were to lose all power, you
can't charge them. The Spot at least has batteries that
you can change. And again it's a satellite communicator.

Speaker 5 (32:46):
It's got that app Life three sixty.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Life three sixty. Okay, you got to go to break here.
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Speaker 5 (33:12):
Yeah, when it comes to the solar powered devices for
your phone, don't forget that. You can buy a case
that has a solar panel on the back side of it.
And while it's not going to take and you know,
keep your phone up and charged if you're on it NonStop,

(33:34):
it does give you an extreme way to not add
any weight and put that son. Of course, it's not
going to charge in the dark, right, But a lot
of these phones, as you're going down the road, or
if you're sitting in a deer stand or you're out
in the boat, all you got to do is turn
your phone over. And because that case has got a

(33:55):
solar panel on the back of it, it's keeping that
phone up and it's keeping it going. And it's just
a really important thing to remember. Like I said earlier,
just using common sense buying tools. That's what all this
stuff is, Buying tools that will save somebody's life, even
possibly your life. And I mean it goes back to

(34:16):
what Ed was saying, just having a little bit of
hard candy in your pack to having some type of
clotting material. Understanding where a first aid kid is is
important for folks.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
In your party.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
You don't have that conversation because even though it may
be your grandson that's out there in the boat with you,
or even you know a granddaughter that's out in the
woods with you, tell them where your truck keys are.
What happens if you're unconscious with two grown men and
you've got to get somebody to the hospital and you
don't even know where they put their truck keys. It's

(34:50):
the smallest, in the most simplest details that will help
you in the time and negue.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
I think it's exactly right. And to your point there,
you know that I've always been big on that key deal.
If something happens to me, here's where the keys are,
because people need to know that. And to your all's point,
I've been with diabetics and stuff where things happened and
they didn't tell me and suddenly and it need not

(35:20):
happen that way. All right, folks, gotta go to break here.
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fellas dear, season is upon us. I think in all
aspects we need to talk about tree stands safety. And

(35:42):
there's a lot of aspects to it. Ed, you just
made a comment it's not so much about falling out
of tree stands as.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
Oh, the statistics showed like it's greater than seventy five
percent of all tree stand accidents are climbing up or climbing,
it's not sitting. And of course you know everybody says, oh, well,
once I get up the top and sit down, I
hook in.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Well that's that is safe.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
But nowadays with life lines, which we never had before,
lifelines the system of a prustic knot. You're tied in
from the minute your feet leave the ground to the
minute your feet hit the ground, you're safe. And if
a strap brakes, or a tree stand collapses, or you
slip and fall. I can remember hunting down on western

(36:30):
Kentucky years ago and before we had lifelines, and I
was hooked into the tree. But it was snowing all
day and raining cold, late muzzle loading season, and finally
it got dark and I got time to go back
to the house, so unhooked and started turning around and
looked and all the rungs had an inch and a
half of solid eye. I'm twenty feet in the air.

(36:52):
Now I got to climb down, and it was pretty
a tightening situation. But now with the lifeline systems. And
then the other thing that the gentleman that was killed
this year already in Connecticut, fifty four years old, climbing up,
his straps broke and the tree, the ladder stand fell

(37:16):
straight back and it killed him. You know, you're putting
straps around a tree that's a living, growing unit. That
thing is growing and as it grows, it expands, and
what it does it wears those straps out. It makes
them threadbare, it weakens them. And on our place where
we hunt, we change straps every two years regardless.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
I mean, all they look good, well, you know what,
we're going to change them.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
And we change them every two years to make sure
that those straps are safe. And if you've got either
you know, steps and hang on or ladder stands, if
you're using ratchet straps, you need to change them. The
other thing is on your strap itself. You're a harness.
They get old, they wear out, and you need to

(38:01):
be checking all those items. But that's one of the
most basic things about deer hunting that's coming up that
every year more people seem to die from tree stand
falls and accidents.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
You remember the old wood ones we used.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
To build years and years ago before we had that,
you know, and there are still people that will go
out there and climb up in an old wooden stand
that they built fifteen years ago. The wood's rotten and
now still go dails are pulled out from growth.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah tree, Yeah, it.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
Can't harp enough about tree stand because that's probably the
number one killer of deer hunters.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yep, I got.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
Well, there's so many things when it comes to hunting
out of tree stands that doesn't really cross people's minds
until they've had experience with it. And one of those
things will be wasped inside of metal tubing. It's no
different than an old farm gate. Nobody wants to be
four foot up off the ground or fourteen or twenty

(38:58):
foot off the ground and be getting lit up by
a bunch of red wasp. But you get enough deer stands,
and if you're in and around the woods enough, it's
it's going to happen. So just think about getting hit
on something like that. It doesn't matter if you understand
three points of contact going up or down a ladder.
If you're getting eat alive by a bunch of red wasp,

(39:20):
you're probably gonna have a situation. And when you trim
your saplings and your trees underneath your tree stand with
where you're going to lay your weapon before you pull
it up, well let's make sure that you're not sitting
there making a perfect pin bed for your body to

(39:41):
land on. And what I'm getting at there is. If
you have a three or four inch stop in a field,
it'll put a hole in a tire real quick. What
it'll put a hole through your lung, or it'll give
you a puncture one real quick if you fall down
on that. And check your ropes, your pull up ropes.
It's not just your straps on your stand, your pull up.
Make sure that your firearm is unloaded. I've even gone

(40:05):
as far as is starting to pull guns up in
a soft case in some situations where I feel like
it's just it helps protect the firearm. You don't want
your optics or your sites to get knocked off. You
can use a soft padded gun case to put behind
your back and work with your lower lumbar. Learn that

(40:27):
that muzzle never needs to be pointed at you or
someone else that's getting into the stand. And when it
comes to hunting from an elevated position, also remember this.
A whole lot of tree stands safety that needs to
be talked about is stop taking off your damn orange.
Use my language, but you can't get up in a

(40:49):
tree in a state that requires hunter orange and take
it off. And if you watch social media, look at
how many young people are sitting in box blinds and
sitting in deer stands with their parents or their grandpa
not wearing a stitch of hunter orange. It's not just

(41:12):
about that safety harness. It's not just about the tether.
If you will think through this for just a second,
Felons are not supposed to have a firearm. Felons are
caught every deer season and every hunting season with firearms hunting.

(41:34):
So if your orange is off, people who are trespassing
on your property or people who are hunting on public land,
they may not be able to see you. And the
point of that hunter orange is not to let the
game know that you're there to give them a fair
chance to get away from the hunter. It's so that
you can understand what is beyond the target. And when

(41:57):
people go out and they grouse hunt, or people go
out in a pheasant hunt or the rabbit hunt, blaze
orange is a must tree stand hunting and ed and Jim,
if I'm wrong, let me know. But it's sitting to
see so many young people and so many adults up
in a deer stand taking selfies during firearm seasons with

(42:20):
not a stitch of orange on. So let's not just
focus on falling out of the tree. Let's focus on
on all parts of it and address what the problems are,
because that orange is there for a reason.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Scott, you made a good point on your pull ropes.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
I don't know if you all remember last year gentlemen
up in his ladder stand lowering his fifty caliber black
powdered weapon. Did not unloaded, didn't take the primer or
you know, cap, nothing, just lowering it down and about
six or eight feet off the ground this pull rope rope.

(42:56):
The gun went straight down, hit the ground, pile went
off and shot him.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
You know.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
He lowered it with the muzzle pointed upwards, and when
it broke, he ended up getting shot. And I don't
remember if he died or if he survived, but I
remember when he got shot and the pull rope broke.
Lowering a loaded weapon, you always need to make sure
you unload that. As far as the blaze orange sometimes,

(43:22):
even if it's not the law, I hunting Colorado a lot,
and Colorado has a goofy law that says bowhunters don't
have to wear blaze orange during muzzleloader or rifle season.
You can be out there bow hunting with all the
high powered rifles and nice musseleloaders and not wear orange.

(43:47):
And two years ago when we were in the San
Juans bowhunter got killed by a mussleloader moving through the brush.
Mussloader guy looked up, did not know his target, didn't
know what he was shooting at, saw movement, shot killed.
The bow hunter guy was from I think from New
Jersey was the bow hunter and the muzzleloder hunter was
from Texas.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
They were both non residents.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
But you know, if I'm out there bow hunting and
this mussleoding season, I'm gonna have orange on. I don't
care what the law allows. I'm gonna be decked out
because I don't want to get shot.

Speaker 5 (44:20):
Right off the Kentucky Department of Fishing Wildlife website, we're
running two deaths per year on average on hunters being
killed from tree stand accidents. So it's it's important that
folks listen to this and understand, especially as folks start
to get up in age, and as folks get up

(44:40):
in age as well that are still younger and they
can legally hunt by themselves, teach them the methods how
to climb and use that safety harness, and as folks
begin to age, don't be afraid to come down in height.
I've been out hanging stands all week this week, and
I'm telling you eight and l foot will get you

(45:01):
where you need to be, and you don't have to
get up there in the nosebleed section. There's a time
and a place for it. Don't get me wrong, But
just because a ladder has got sixteen foot or eighteen foot,
or just because your climber can go twenty five or
thirty foot, it doesn't mean that you have to go
that far. And it's amazing how many people will lose

(45:23):
their equilibrium when they get up off of the ground,
full size grown men two hundred and eighty pounds. I
say it all the time. You don't big Beard looked
like Paul Bunyan walking through the woods. You get them
fifteen foot off the ground and they're up there and
they're holding on to the tree like you know, they're
getting ready to be thrown off of a cliff. It's

(45:45):
such an important topic when it comes to safety, about
letting your man card be set down for just a
second and realize that you don't have to impress anybody.
Safety should come first before Studley.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Absolutely every time, every time. All right, you got to go
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should be a no brainer, but it's not ed. I'll
let you lead off.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Well, I mean, you've already had another tragic event this year,
seventeen year old boy killed squirrel hunt, shot by one
of his buddies. Not knowing your target or what you're
shooting at, like the bow hunting incident in Colorado. Uh,
that's gun safety one oh one. You have to know

(47:04):
your target. You got to be sure exactly what you're
shooting at.

Speaker 5 (47:09):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
The other thing is guns are dangerous, and gun safety
is you know, check to make sure it's unloaded. Been
a lot of people shot with unloaded guns, and make
sure the gun is always pointed in a safe direction.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
A week ago Saturday, I.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
Was shooting in a sporting glaze tournament over in Indiana
at Indian Creek, and one of the shooters in our
group came up to the line. Practiced perfect gun safety.
The gun was, it was over and under, it was
which is kept open the whole time until you step
into the box. He pointed his weapon down the range,

(47:51):
put two shells in it, and when he closed the action,
both barrels went off boom. Fortunately it's point it down
range safe. Nobody was injured or whatever. But if that
had been some guys going rabbit hunting standing at the
back of the pickup truck not paying any attention and

(48:11):
slam it shut, you might end up shooting the guy
next to you. So you've always got to know where
that weapon is pointed, and you need to know your target. Now, Jim,
you remember way back when our good friend Steve Favenger,
him and I were turkey hunting at Beaver Creek Management
Area over Pulaski County. I dropped him off and I

(48:35):
went down the road about a mile. When I came
back later that morning, he's sitting on the side of
the road with a big rag that's all blood soaked,
and he had been sitting with his back to a tree.
Wasn't a real big tree, but at least it protected
the back of his head enough. And he was yelping
like a hen in a little thicket area with his

(48:57):
back to this tree, and somebody up the hill shot him.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Yep, yepping like a hen.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
Was not gobblin and shot him, hit him in the
back of the head or down his neck and across
his shoulder. The only thing that saved him, they said,
was that this guy, obviously not a very good turkey
hunter or a very good whatever, was shooting bird shot
like seven and a half and eight shot. And I
pulled up there, so in the truck he went and

(49:24):
away we went to Somerset to the hospital. He said,
when when the guy shot him, he jumped up holler
and stopped stop, and he looked up the hill and
saw the guy, and the guy saw that he had
shot him, and he turned around and ran the opposite way.
And then Steve said he heard the car or truck
start up on the road and the guy took off.
Guy didn't even wait to see how bad he was

(49:46):
hurt or whatever. But again, not knowing your target shooting
its sound, firearms one oh one safety absolutely scot I.

Speaker 5 (49:56):
Think most importantly, I'm going to cover one that we're
all suffering from when it comes to firearm safety, and
that's our ears. It's so easy to get around a
group of folks that have got military or hunting or
shooting experience, and hunt comes up more often than what

(50:18):
it should. Also, when we look at guns in the field,
it's very important that with the simplicity of things such
as a boor snake and some of the in the
field gun cleaning kits, that you realize if you're two
miles into a hunt, or you're, you know, ten thousand

(50:39):
dollars into a hunt, you don't want your hunt to
be ruined just because the fact that something goes into
the muzzle of the gun and clogs it, and you
can easily break down your gun in the field and
clean it. And if you've hunted out west, this is
something that you can do at camp at night, even
if it's just being exposed to the elements. But have

(50:59):
a plan when you go hunt to clear a firearms
muzzle safely so it doesn't ruin your hunt. And then thirdly,
when that gun gets home, remember there's more people killed
with their own firearms and more people killed by their
own family members cleaning firearms in the home or the

(51:22):
shop than there is in the field nationally every year,
and this data and this statistic has not changed for
a long time. Make sure that inside that house, the
muzzle is not pointed towards a wall where someone's in
another room. Make sure that that firearm is checked multiple

(51:44):
times that it's empty before you start the cleaning process,
because it doesn't matter if it's Texas, Kentucky, Alabama, or Michigan.
Time after time after time again you hear people shot
with their own firearm because they were clean during the
process of breaking it down, because they thought it was unloaded, And.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
That added to your point. The one that's such a
bugaboo is muzzle awareness. I mean, I've hunted through the
years with people that were so laxed about that, and
just what if they didn't listen, I didn't help with
him anymore.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
Well, you know, the other thing, too, is knowing a
little bit about the people you're hunting with. I have
been in duck blinds and goose pits with guys with
weapons and the birds start coming in and they just
get all shook up, I mean excited, and all of
a sudden, you got a guy and a duck blind,
a goosebind, and he's swinging his weapon down almost towards

(52:46):
everybody else in the blind because it's.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Like, oh my god, there's birds, there's birds. They get
so shook.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
And knowing who you're with and being able to, you know,
try to correct them. But I've seen, you know, a
bunch of accidents and lines and gooseblines. I've seen unruly
dogs knock overloaded guns inside a duck blind.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
And you know, I watched a lab jump in a
boat where there was a loaded Branning automatic. His foot
hit the safety in the trigger and fired that gun twice. Bleue,
two holes in the boat. You talking about scared? That
scared me to death. And that stuff can happen. So again,
don't leave a loaded weapon or something like that can happen.

(53:30):
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(53:50):
All right, guys, Allergic reactions beast things. People have food
and plants that send them in the shock. Scott, I'm
gonna let you carry that one because you're an expert
at that.

Speaker 5 (54:07):
Well, probably the start off with the best thing to
do is if you don't know what poison ivy and
poison oak look like, don't rely on Google to find out.
There's a lot of images out there from a simple
computer search. AI and Internet stuff is not all that
it's cracked up to be sometimes, but take time to

(54:29):
find out from someone who truly does know. Ivs can
grow coming straight up out of the ground. They can
have an aerial route that we're all aware of if
especially if we're hanging and putting up deer stands, tree stands.
Just make yourself aware that some people react differently and

(54:51):
have a more severe reaction than others. And I wish
that some of the ivy's were things that my body
didn't react to, but but they do, and some people
it's a little more instant than others. But it's not
just plants that we know of leaves of three that
can get us. Some folks will have allergic reactions to

(55:12):
ragweed or certain types of pollen, and these can be
so severe to where people's airways are restricted to the
point where they panic and their anxiety kicks in. And
it goes back to that communication and knowing the person
that you're entering the field with or going out on
the lake with, and that is do they have an EpiPen,

(55:34):
do they have a past experience with having some type
of allergic reaction, And get those things worked out long
before that process becomes where you're actually giving someone medical
care and medical need. And that goes back to like
the truck key conversation, where is their EpiPen or where

(55:55):
is their medication? And know how to work it if
you don't know how. Just because somebody has medication on
them doesn't mean that you know how to administer it.
So ask folks, you know, how do you administer your
medicine if that needs to be done, And always be prepared,
like the old boy scout motto, always be prepared and

(56:18):
that will save you on a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Ed.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
Yeah, I mean I carry benadrill with me. I don't
carry an thatp a pen. I should, But one of
the things we always do when we go out West,
in particular is we make everybody let everybody else know
what their health isshoes are, so I know, if this
guy comes stumbling back into camp, it's diabetes, or he

(56:44):
has a heart issue, or this guy has a severe
reaction to b bite or whatever. Is just for the
safety purposes alone when you're on a hunt or a camp,
or even just if you're a hunting on a deer lease.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Here in Kentucky. Hey eyes, I'm just letting you.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
Know I do have a heart issue, and my nitro
pills are in this little canister that I hang around
my neck or whatever, like you said, it's and my
medicine is here. Letting people know how to respond if
you have an action. You know, the same thing talking
about that is would be like snake bites. Even you

(57:23):
know here in Kentucky we've got what three common venomous snakes,
you know, with the cotton mouth, copperhead, and rattlers, and
you know those people that every year get snake bit
What's funny is that you don't panic. Most The only
snake bites fatalities in the state of Kentucky in the

(57:45):
last I think ten years have been the snake handlers
and the religious where they refuse to go get treatment.
Other than that, people get bit. Most all your EMS
units now carried the the anti venom and know how
to treat it and do.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Not Yeah, do the old timey cut and sucks. Those
lead to all kinds of issues.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Those days, Those days are gone. But you have time.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
You know, it's just a matter of not panicking and
again being prepared.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Like Scott said, being prepared.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
I want to I want to take a sad bar
here because and I want to say this in all seriousness,
I am fifty times more afraid of a tick than
I am a snake. And I think both of you
guys will give me an amen on that why these
tick diseases? And Ed, I know you off covered this.

(58:47):
Scott and I had a great program where we had
Kurt avery on. Kudos to Scott for lighting him up
this prime throwing folks. Too many people think because that
warring label, if it gets on your yeah, it will
hurts you. It does not. It absolutely will.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Not hurt you.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
You have to spray. It needs to be on your
clothing because it permeates your clothing. It will kill the tics.
But with alpha gal LD disease. Rocky Mount Rocky mounts
find I have so many friends that are rimracked right now.
It's family members.

Speaker 5 (59:24):
And not only does it help prevent the tics Accardian
and permethron. Acardian is what will go on your skin,
Permethrons what will go on your fabric that it will
create a bond and give you a protection there. Look
at how much information has been in the news in
the last two weeks about wes Nile. Look at you know,

(59:44):
when you do your treatment of your skin and your clothing,
remember that common sense. You know you're preventing it before
it becomes an actual problem. Your guarding yourself not only
amongst the ti, but you're also guarding yourself amongst the mosquitoes,
and your clothing and your footwear as we're talking about

(01:00:07):
these plants and stuff, spraying ankles, good footing, good traction
in the sole of your feet, but also having proper
socks and having proper pants, and when to wear long sleeves,
when to wear gloves, how to wash your body immediately
or at least within some type of general realization of

(01:00:28):
your working against the clock if you get some of
these plantiles on you, So always have some things with
you and always be prepared so that you can help
either on the preventive side or at least if you
are on the exposure side, you're addressing it in a
quick and mannly fashion.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
I think I.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Heard on your All's podcast about that that you need
to find the tick up within.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
The first twenty four hours. Yeah, is that correct, right?
I remember hearing that twenty four hours.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
So the other thing too is when you get back
to camp or you get by, comb checked yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
I mean, you may.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
Not realize you've got that tick on you, and you know,
like the old song, I like to check you for ticks.
But I mean, you know, it's important that if I'm
hunting in an area, especially early season, where there's a
lot of ticks and stuff, when I get back, I'm
gonna check myself.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
I'm gonna make sure I don't have any.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
And if I got to roll my shirt up mask
somebody looking back of my shirt and neck or whatever,
that's fine, but don't gamble these tick diseases.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Are you had the history together, Yeah, back when we
were in our twenties where we didn't know about seed ticks,
the larvae, and we had hundreds and hundreds of us
at LBL we went down the fallow deer back with
the head foul deer the LBL.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
We washed ourselves with comb fuel. I had to try
to get rid of them. That's Scott, That's how bad
it was. They were eating us up. It was like
your arm was moving or your leg was moving. We
had so many seaticks and we tried soap, water, everything.
We didn't know what to do. We finally ended up
taking coal and fuel and putting it on rags and
wiping ourselves trying to get rid of them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
It was unbelievable. Here's a big one of Scott. Well
of the first time I've ever met you were teaching
a course about this. I don't know if you recall,
but chainsaw and cut knife cut type of wounds chaps,
particularly with a chainsaw. But talk about that, Scott.

Speaker 5 (01:02:42):
Well, let's let's get to the fact that you're going
to be around a lot of sharp objects whenever you're
going to the field or you're hitting the water. It's
not uncommon for people to cut themselves with a blade
of some sort, so cut away from yourself. There's so
many different types of gloves that you can buy now

(01:03:03):
that are either cut and or both cut and puncture
resistant by you seid of those. It's great when you're
working up your game, when you're feel dressing your deer.
Most of these things can be washed in less than
ten dollars. I guarantee your cope on getting some stitches
is going to be more than ten bucks. But if
you are ever in a situation where someone loses a digit,

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like they have a toe severed, something drops on it,
or they cut their finger off from a saw, cleaning fish,
gutting a deer, whatever it is, something happens, keep that
digit cool but dry. Don't be afraid to have you

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know a method or a way that you know in
your head where if someone was to ever have something
removed from their body like a finger, make sure that
you keep it clean, cool and dry. That's that's very
import And on these chainsaws, man, just keep get your
foot debris all cleared out, you know, work yourself into

(01:04:08):
the places that you're going to cut, learn your angles,
understand what torque is, understand kickback. But just invest in
some basic ppe personal protective equipment. Your ears, your eyes,
your chainsaw chaps, your gloves, a hard helmet. Whenever you
start running a chainsaw, it is the most dangerous piece

(01:04:33):
of equipment in wildlife conservation or just doing landscaping or
in and around the farm, other than a lawn more.
And it's just because more people use a law more
than a chainsaw. That chainsaw is a deadly tool and
it is a very life threatening tool if you do

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not respect it. And so take your proper measure to
use your chainsaw chaps, use your face shields, protect your ears,
your gloves, all that stuff, and steal toe boots and
mango and cut whether it's firewood or making better habitat.
But don't ever think that just because that chainsaw has
got a fourteen inch bar or sixteen inch bar, that

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you can just fire it up and you don't have
to put all that stuff on. It takes a lot
of time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
It's hot.

Speaker 5 (01:05:24):
But when you're hit with a chainsaw, the surgeons don't
like you as much down in Louisville when you go
down there to get put back together, when you're ground
up like hamburger instead of being cut with a really
sharp blade. I can tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
That well, and I can attest I have tons of
friends that have been really hurt badly with chainsaws.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
There was a guy last year and in several bits
DELI are dead.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Yeah, yeah, I'd say maybe i'd hit back.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
There was a guy last year in Colorado who bled
to death up in the elk, got his hand up
in there, reaching around real real sharp knife, end up
cutting his wrists and bled to death before he can
get help. So the gloves like Scott's talking about, I
mean there's people get injured. I've cut myself before cleaning

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the deer with a really sharp knife, and now with
these new knives that are razor blades that are out there,
I mean, you don't even feel it before.

Speaker 5 (01:06:26):
We go to break. Let's get something clear. You can
take and remove that front cape of that animal first
and get all that taken. Take that cape all the
way up to the neck. Just just work it up
and then open that brisket in that rib cage and
work where you can see. Don't be putting your hands

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in places where you can't see where you're cutting and
cut away from yourself. But stop this deal of trying
to reach up and grab a esophagus and trying to
make that cut not being to see. There are more
people in the er every year getting fifteen stitches or
seven stitches in their fingers, in their hands cause they're

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whacking their own finger with their own knife, dish field
dressing their game.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Yes, sir, all right, folks, gotta go to break. This
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at SMI ed real quick hydration. How important is that
heat broke signs? Again, basic first aid. You need to
know the signs and how to recognize. There's a difference

(01:07:34):
in the treatment between heat stroke and heat exhaustion. It's
two different things. But hydration, I mean, hydration is important
just in your everyday life going to work or whatever.
I mean, it's so important. And then having some energy
with you, just you know, a few snacks or whatever.
I'm not much on little debbies and stuff. I'll take
an energy bar or whatever, but just being able to

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have all those, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
One thing before we get off here, Jim and I
do want to touch on that we haven't hit on.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
But everybody needs to be aware of is predators.

Speaker 4 (01:08:09):
And everybody always thinks about predators being oh it's out west,
grizzly bears in certain states and all of that. But
we've had two bear deaths in Arkansas. Black bears with
the killing people. We've got mountain liones, we've got just

(01:08:33):
all kinds of predators. And now here in Kentucky where
eastern Kentucky's just overrun with black bears. There's videos every
day of them walking down the street in Gatlinburg. They've
lost their fear of man. And if you're hunting in
bear country, you just need to be aware our mountain
lion We've had mountain lion stalkers before out there. You know,

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just be aware that there are other creators out there,
and in particularly those If you kill an animal, say
in eastern Kentucky, and you're gonna wait till morning to
go back and get it, just know that there might
be something else there that's already found your deer or
you're out, that's decided it's his and he's not gonna
give it up without a fight. Predators are becoming more

(01:09:19):
of an issue. Last week, in Wisconsin, wolves killed six
bear hunting dogs in one week. The wolves are now
laying for the dogs, waiting for him to come out.
Oh yeah, they hear them, how they hear the dogs barking?
Chase and here they come, and they killed six in
a week. So the predators are out there. You've got
to be aware of it. When you're in predator country,

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you've got to be looking. And you got to realize.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
You know, the guy that was.

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
Killed in South Africa, Gordon, they weren't hunting that Kate buffalo.
It just came out of the brush, boom and hit them.
So I know we're gonna be short on time, but
I did want to hit the predator issue, especially with
the two black bear deaths. Everybody thinks, well, black bear,
I'm just gonna holler and scream and he's gonna run away.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Well, you just had two people killed in Arkansas by
black bears.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Well, and in particular in regard to those black bearries,
if they've got cubs, there's nothing meaner than a South bear. Nothing.
I've had reactions with them. You don't want to be there.
If you see a cub or you come across a cub,
exit stays left, get out of there because mama bear.

(01:10:28):
You know those saying the she bear, she's all that.
And then so it's it's it's absolute fact. And I've
lost out to grizzlies several times now where we're trailing
ma out, you know, shot with a ball. Here's a
track for Big grizz You give it up. What are

(01:10:50):
you gonna do risk your life to get an elf? Yeah,
I don't think so. So these can turn the South
on you very quickly. Well, guys, great conversation. Hopefully we
help people understand some of the things that can't happen
out there. Preparedness to Scott's points all the way through
the program is everything, really, and I want to close

(01:11:14):
with this one. Everybody knows me ed. You've heard me
say this is when we were kids. Don't ever panic.
Panic will kill you. I learned this at early age.
I've been a lifeguard, I've been a soldier, a fireman.
You know, I've seen a lot of things in my life.
And the one thing they'll kill you quicker than anything

(01:11:35):
is panic in a bad situation. So I'm gonna clothes
with that. Folks. Joy to be with everybody, night and again.
How do folks watch your podcast? Go to www.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
Grizzled Outdoors dot com or you can go on Facebook,
and our podcast number eight covered all these same topics
if you want to go listen to it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
Cook all right, everybody, be careful out there, God bless