12-7-25 - Evan Williams with HOYT USA and KOFA USA Outdoor Clothing Company

Tonight, Jim and Scott interview a lifelong hunter, Evan Williams with HOYT USA and KOFA USA Outdoor Clothing Company.

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 2 (01:31):
Good evening, everybody. Jim Straighter here and Scott Croner and
I have got a great guest lined up for tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
He is uh kind of guy.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
I'll brag it on a little bit because he's a
been there and done that kind of guy.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
And his name is Evan Williams.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
He's with Hot USA, and he's also the founder of
kofa clothing company, which we will talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
But most importantly, he is a dad in the wool.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
From childhood to his age today as a hunter and
a very accomplished hunter. And he is a I'll call
him a wilderness athlete because I think that's a pretty
good description because of the way he hunts out West,
but he grew up in the Midwest, Kansas, etc.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Evan, welcome aboard, buddy. We're sure glad to have you on.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
I appreciate it, mister Jim, mister Scott, preserve to be
with you guys tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Well, what I want to start with is tonight, tell
folks a little bit about yourself, your background, and then
we're going to go a deep dive into how you hunt,
because you are a guy that stalks game a lot
that's gaining tremendous import for folks, not only out west,

(03:04):
but it's coming east, you know, Scott, And now we're
talking about before the show. A lot of things that
happened out west tend to translate to the East. And
there's a lot of things that you can bring to
us that that I think folks need to hear. And
and of course you you grew up in Kansas, You
hunted Kansas, you understand white tail hunting. So tell us

(03:27):
a little bit about yourself, sir.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
Yeah, So, guys, I just like to say, I'm a
I'm a simple you know, Kansas boy. I grew up
in pair of justin boots and wranglers, and that's that's
really who I am and what I'm about, in fact,
that's what I'm wearing right now is you know, boots
became areops, but still were in the Wranglers, and you know,
just extremely proud of of what my parents allowed me

(03:53):
to do growing up and who they really built me into.
You know, I grew up in Southend, Nebraska and Western Kansas,
and I started hunting when I was seven months old.
My mom would carry me around in a in a
backpack carrier while my dad was hunting pheasants, and so
it's you know, being in the outdoors and hunting has

(04:16):
always been something that's been ingrained and been a passion
in my life. I started competitive rifle shooting when I
was in the fifth or sixth grade and was very
fortunate we had a very very good group of parents
that were our coaches in Northwest Kansas where I grew up,

(04:38):
and you know, within a couple of years, I was
a team national champion. My brother and I were on
the same team together that that won the jc's International
BB gun competition. I was an eighth grader and my
brother was in the seventh grade, and you know, that
really created a spring board where when you win that

(04:59):
air now competition. Per jc's rules at the time, you
were forced to sit out a year to allow you know,
new age growth through that grassroots program to come up
and and have those experiences. And so in my year off,
I got into or was introduced to, what is called

(05:20):
international Olympic shooting, and that is position rifle shooting, both
with air rifles and with twenty twos. And I made
a special team that was able to go down to
the Wolf Creek Olympic Shooting venue from the ninety six
Olympics and compete down there head to head against you know,

(05:42):
all other fifty states in the country. And I really
shifted my focus and through the through the latter part
of my high school years was you know, I was
playing football, I was I was wrestling. I would do
track and play baseball, but my main focus was, you know,

(06:04):
I was coming home from from school and I was
shooting five six days a week and really pushing towards
that next level in the Olympic rifle side. Because there
was NCAA Division I college scholarships and I actually did
earn one of those. I went to the University of
Missouri Kansas City. I went on to have a red

(06:27):
shirt year and through my five years of college, I was,
you know, nine time conference shooting honors. I was a
four time academic All American, three time champion in the conference,
and really was able to set my sights on the
Olympic dream. I graduated college and was what I would

(06:50):
have consider an Olympic hopeful. At the time, I was
top ten in the country, and unfortunately that about as
far as it went in in the Olympic tryouts I
competed in. The best I did do was tenth. And
in our sports, we have you have three different divisions
that men can compete in, and Olympic quotas are given

(07:14):
to two per event per country that can be earned
the year of an Olympics and the year prior to
an Olympic event, So you have two years to earn
your two slots for each of the six total available
spots in the in the three different divisions you can
shoot in. So it's extremely competitive when you have you know,

(07:37):
one hundred and fifty to two hundred guys showing up
to shoot and compete for two spots. And you know,
I never got to realize my Olympic dream, but I
definitely got to live it. And experience it. I was
a facility use athlete at the Olympic Training Center in
Colorado Springs following my graduation. And while I was in
Colorado Springs, you know, needed needed to have a part

(08:00):
time job to be an area. You know, had had
college debt still with taking out some student loans for
competing on the side of my collegiate career, and started
working at the local archery pro shop and was working
at Sportsman's Warehouse and just diving in and ingraining myself
in the outdoor lifestyle again and just really really got

(08:24):
a passion for archery. It was nice to be able
to step away from the firearms, you know, when you're
when you're practicing and training and competing fifty plus hours
a week. It was just a mental dload for me
to you know, pick up a bow and just nice
to relax and get away from everything. And you know,

(08:45):
started working at the local pro shop and and when
I stepped away from competitive rifle shooting, they brought me
on full time and spent almost ten years in Colorado
Springs at Bill Pellegrino's archery hut, learning from Bill who
was a thirteen time world champion and and learning, picking
his brain about everything. And in July of twenty fifteen,

(09:09):
I was given an opportunity to take my family and
move out to Salt Lake City, Utah, and and work
for Hoyd Archery and their marketing department. And I've been
blessed to hold and do a lot of things with
the company. I've worked in business developments, public relations, event coordination.

(09:31):
I've done the full gamut of pro staff management from
recurve to compound international target hunting, domestic. You know, ran
ran that program for a number of years and and
still do the hunting pro staff management and now also
you know, the role and part of what I do

(09:55):
on on top of all that is you know, technical advisors,
So I work fairly closely with our engineering department and
and really looking at the lingo and the performance and
what engineering is creating in in you know, their lab
and uh, you know working with my team too, you know,

(10:16):
be a face to communicate on the marketing side what
what engineering is designing and the purpose for their designs
to the general public and to our consumer base. So
it's uh, it's definitely been a wild ride over the
last two decades, you know, from from getting out of
high school, and and that rule five thousands population county

(10:42):
to uh, you know, living in in Salt Lake City
with over three million people in the valley area right here.
So it's uh, it's always fun waking up and and
taking a breath and realizing, you know where I'm at
and where I've come from and what I've gotten to
do with my life. And you know, I loved your
Guys's intro music that was playing because it's you know,

(11:05):
do what you love and have a passion for what
you love, and you'll never work a day in your life.
And you know, there's there's about five percent of that
that may not be completely true, because you know, a
job's a job. But I do, I do wholly believe
that when you have a love and a passion for
what you're doing and it is so ingrained in who

(11:28):
you are and who you want to be, that when
you can make your life revolve around that, it does
make life so much more enjoyable and worth living. And
and I can't honestly say I've you know, not been
blessed in that regard so well.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Evan, the cool thing about all that for me is
you are, as you said, almost from birth I mean,
there's a little bitty baby exposed to hunting, and you
have taken that passion forward. You've taken the passion that
you had for the technical aspects of the sports to

(12:12):
a level that most cannot achieve for a variety of reasons.
And that's the reason that I'm really excited. Honestly, they
have you on the program tonight. I mean, you're a
very unique individual, and coming back from this break, I
want to talk to you about your passion for hunting,

(12:34):
how you hunt, you know, the things that you think
could help our fellow bow hunters out there, and we
will do that right after the break. So if you'll
hold on, I'll get to the break and coming back,
I think folks won't really appreciate why you bring that
passion to the industry and they'll understand a little more

(12:57):
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Speaker 3 (13:03):
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Speaker 3 (13:18):
Evan, Uh, here's the cool part.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
You're very, very accomplished hunter, and you've hunted from Midwest
to the outer West areas, the big Sky country as
I like to call it.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Talk to folks.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
About how you hunt and why you hunt the way
you do, because you've got a lot to offer.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
Well, not for double first and foremost. I mean, it's
for me. It's one hunting. Unless I'm going upland bird hunting,
it doesn't matter what big game I'm pursuing, or even turkey.
He's like, I just I have to have a bow
in my hands. And I want to preface that with

(14:07):
I don't. I don't feel like, you know, using the
gun is wrong or anything like that, obviously with my background.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yeah, you're.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
No, Exactly. For me, it's about the chase. It's about
the adrenaline, and you know, when when you truly make
it your life's pursuit two do something at such a
high level like I was doing with my firearms and

(14:39):
trying to make an Olympic team, I I don't get
that same fulfillment and I don't have that same joy
shooting an animal with a fire um anymore. Again, I
grew up rifle shooting and rifle hunting but it's it's
something that I do can't I can't get away from

(15:03):
my bow, you know. Most recently, I was able to
pick up a third season rifle tag in Colorado on
a mule there and I I was wearing blaze orange
and took my bow instead of having a fireman in
my hands. Just I can't get away from it. So
again it's it's it's just such a passion for me

(15:25):
that that all of my hunting is with a bow.
I want to get as close as I can. But
at the same point, like I, I believe in proficiency,
so I do a lot of a lot of practicing it,
you know, one hundred yards and and you know, I
want to I want to be as proficient as I
can at that distance because if I have an opportunity

(15:45):
at half that range or even closer than you know,
I have so much more confidence in myself and my
abilities and my equipment because of of shooting at those
longer distances. But as far as style goes, you know,
out West, I'm really big on on you know, backpack hunting,
and and you know, for for a couple of spots

(16:09):
I've got that my partner and I go into you know,
we're hiking in six seven miles and taking everything with us,
and you know, we're really watching watching our gear and
how much everything weighs because we're trying to us and
and you know, record our hunts and and you know,
be as comfortable as possible without having to take the
kitchen sink with us. So I I love. I love

(16:31):
putting my my entire kit for nine days and food
and everything on my back and and going and roughing it.
You know. I I love getting out and trying to
get away from people. And it's extremely hard to do
these days with with as many guys trying to get
out there and public land, and and especially with the

(16:53):
states starting to reduce access and and ability for a
lot of non residents to come out and do that,
it's still something I'm gonna. I'm gonna find something anytime
to to go do that, you know, with I was,
I was gone to a draw now. So that increases
opportunities for non resident hunters versus just the tag gallications

(17:15):
where it's first come, first serve online and get in
line and hope you're not you know, seventy eight thousand
in line trying to get a tag. So you know,
and same way for mule there. But I really like
being on the ground. I like being an eye level
and that that for me really comes from my early
experienced whitetail hunting. You know, my brother and I would

(17:37):
would have a property and and you know, just knocking
on doors and we go when we put two or
three stands up on the property based on you know,
how the property laid out, and you know where we
thought you were going to be betting and traveling to,
and you know, those those early years of trying to
figure out the game, and it was really really evident

(17:58):
to me early on that I always picked the wrong
tree at the wrong time, or the right tree but
the wrong time, but I could never get the right
tree at the right time. So I had a very
early age in my hunting experience was was very much
on the ambush train where I wanted to be on
the ground because if wind changed or if animals ended

(18:21):
up coming out in a different spot and I needed
to you know, back down a bluff and make a
move to keep the wind in my favor and make
a move to try and cut them off or to
you know, cut down the distance. I wanted to put
more things in my control.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Evan, I got to go to break.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
But that's a really cool way of looking at things,
and it's something that I frankly don't think most people
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Speaker 3 (18:59):
There you were.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Talking about how you know you're you're a guy that
understands the winds not always right, the stands not always perfect,
and as a bowl.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Hunter, that's a big deal. Talk about that a little more.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
That's that's something I think the audience will really appreciate
because it's not always perfect. But the animal might be
in a situation where you can close the deal, but
you got to readjust so I'll let you run with that.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Yeah, And that's that's really one of those those reasons
why I like being on the ground and having that
ability to put things in my favor. You know, anyone
that's hunted, I think you can agree that everything is
against us. You're hunting mature animals. You are hunting ones

(19:51):
that are season They've been around the block on their
turf and their territory, in their bedrooms, and you know
you're trying to be an intruder and slip in the
hallway between the bedroom and the kitchen, and they know
when something isn't right, you know, whether that's the electromagnetic

(20:12):
field that you're putting off, whether that's you know, you
blink just wrong, or you turn your head at the
wrong time to you know, check your right, because you
were looking left and you look right, and he's standing
right there looking at you, because he's already got your
pin because of your movement. You know. I always found
that I could check the weather and let's say I'm

(20:32):
supposed to have a northwest wind, and I'd get to
where I want to go and I would check the
wind and it's not northwest, it's southeast, completely the wrong direction.
So you know, now you're scrambling anyway, and you know,
being mobile and being able to go on the ground
in a lot of those cases growing up, I just

(20:52):
felt like I was not necessarily having more success, but
I was seeing increased opportunities because I was putting things
into my control. And it's it's funny because my you know,
my brother and I are completely polar opposites. He is
more of that, like wired, just raw energy and aggression

(21:16):
and did so well. Uh. He played middle linebacker in
in uh college. He was a stud freaking wrestler in
high school and those those you know, combat and you
know mentally tough sports, uh that just had that physical
pairing with him. He did so much better at than

(21:38):
I did. But I succeeded where it was more about
longevity and cool, calm, relaxed nature and the feeling of
how you're physically setting up and the consistency of the
process throughout an entire you know, four hour competition where

(22:01):
bicro millimeters mattered, But when it comes to hunting were
complete opposites. He wanted to just be able to get
up there and relax and let things come to him.
And so he he got into whitetail hunting way earlier
than I did because I was on the ground I
loved I'd love chasing mule theres, you know in western

(22:24):
Kansas when we were growing up in the in the
late nineties and the very very early two thousands, we
were kind of on that on that borderline where we
could hunt right around home and have really really good
white tails, or go forty five minutes and have some
incredible mule there hunting, and so so we weren't always
at each other. You know, I kind of developed a
passion for hunting mule there, and he developed more of

(22:47):
a white tail focus, and it just it was weird
because I was so different when I got on the
ground and got in those situations where I love being
the aggressor and I love having the ability to go, Hey,
if you're gonna come out here and you're going over there,
this is what the wind is doing, I'm gonna beat
you at your own game. I'm gonna let you think
you're safe going down this drainage, but I'm gonna come

(23:09):
over here and i'm gonna cut you off, and I'm
going to be in shape, and I'm going to go
so much faster than you that you're going to step
into this opening thinking that you are completely safe and
you got away from everybody, and I'm gonna dump you
before you even realize I took a shot. And so,
you know, you fast forward, you know, twenty five thirty

(23:31):
years now and and I've been able to have that
same mentality, but I can now translate that into elf
into mule there, but also into whitetail with with the
abundance of the options of saddle hunting and all that.
But you know, with with the way decoys have now

(23:52):
developed for the bow hunter as well, I've got I've
got two very very good buddies, one base in can
and just in one based in Colorado that have bow
mountable decoy systems, and so I'll utilize those in different
situations where Man, I've got this buck that is daylighting,
but I don't have a stand set up and ready

(24:14):
for him, or where he is showing up on the
winds that he is there. They are not good for
me to be in a specific spot. But if I
sit over here in this patch of grass, he would
never expect me on. I can throw a three D
body decoy out in front of me at twenty five yards,
and I can go sit in the brush with a

(24:36):
dome mount decoy on my bow and just build myself
into a little makeshift ground blind. I'm going to get
that wind blown right from the decoy to me on
the ground, and he's going to be focused over there
and come right in. He's going to give me a
ten to fifteen yard shot broadside facing away, because he's attitude,
his demeanor is focused on that three d buck. And

(24:58):
if I'm moving around getting situated a shot and he
looks over at me, all he sees is a dough
that's bedded, shifting around, and all that buck is ten
in a dough. Now I'm going to kick your button.
Then I'm gonna steal your girl. So he's gonna stick around.
He is so preoccupied and focused away from me that
I have that option to stay on the ground. Or

(25:21):
if I have you know, good enough trees that offer
me to get up, I can have the same mobile
attack and you know, I can run instead of tethered.
One sticks a weigh a pound a piece with a
you know, am steel eight er, and I can take
three of them out with me, and I can get
fifteen to eighteen feet up in a tree tether in.
And if I happen to pick the wrong tree, and

(25:43):
all morning they're coming out this one drainage and I'm
in the wrong spot, and hey, if I get an hour,
i haven't seen anything. I can be quiet. I can
get out of that tree in ten minutes, relocate ten minutes.
I'm back up in another one in the position I
need to be in because I have physically witnessed an
experienced how they want to move and travel on that day,
on that wind, in this location. So it's for me,

(26:06):
for me being a mobile hunter in any aspect or
any any type of animal I'm chasing, even turkeys, it's
it has really changed the nature of the game for
me and allowed me to be more successful and have
more opportunities because of that, you know. And you know,

(26:26):
a byproduct of having that success is the fitness that
goes around it for me, and and you know, having
the confidence to be able to run and you know,
quote unquote running gun. You know, just just covering a
lot of ground, hitting high spots and glassing backing out,
you know, not skylining yourself and sometimes taking the longer

(26:49):
of the road list traveled around to make a smarter
play on an animal.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Well, these are some things that are hopefully very information
to the audience. And Brother Cronin hunts that way a lot.
So coming back from break, I'm gonna go to break here.
I want you two guys to interface about that because
this is kind of a new thing. You know, I
grew up. You play the wind, you do the best

(27:17):
you can, You choose the best stand. It doesn't always
work that way. And this is an alternative that I
found fascinating, which was another reason I want you on
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Speaker 5 (27:40):
Van going back to where country kids turn into adults,
where we're at now in our life. Woodsmanship is always
a really big thing that everybody knows how important it is.
But listening to you talk, I think it's really important
now that men especially can understand how hunters are developing

(28:04):
their strategies like a surgeon, and that is that we
know how things can go. And there's always these textbook scenarios.

Speaker 6 (28:12):
But a lot of people.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
That follow what you do or I do, or you know,
adapting towards mobile hunting, whether that's hunting from the ground
or using a saddle. These trends become what a lot
of people call fads. But then you start seeing people
like yourself and others that it's not a trend and

(28:36):
it's not a fad because you become a consistent killer
and you start looking at not only what the game
are doing, you start looking at how your body and
the physical condition is and how you train and the
gear that you use. And I think it will lead
in a lot in the second hour when we talk
about why Hoyt is the best brand of bow that

(29:00):
someone can go to the field with, especially from the
hunting side. But where is it that you started? At
what age did you start realizing that you weren't gonna
just read about other people and you weren't just going
to follow what other people were doing. You were actually
going to become evan and hunting your style and tactic.

(29:20):
And how did it involve you basically talking to yourself
to more or less dissect what you were doing right
and wrong, not just with your gear, but with your
strategies of whether you're going to hit the ground or
hit the tree, because I think too many people depend
on the weather man.

Speaker 6 (29:37):
Going back to what you said in the previous section.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
Yeah, and I really think like for me, for me,
I think that that light bulb, the moment would have
been it would have been Thanksgiving weekend of when was
that two thousand and four, No, two thousand and five.

(30:11):
So graduated high school in O two and spent a
couple of years you know, obviously you know, having having
you know, Christmas off after finals and we go back
and unfortunately, because of when Kansas's season fell, for my
entire collegiate career leading up to that, so my my

(30:34):
freshman and sophomore years, I was not getting to do
any big game hunting because I was traveling up until
the first part of December, was getting back from my
last collegiate trip of the semester and literally going right
in the finals. I was finishing finals up and being

(30:54):
already in the dorms, I was, you know, making sure
that that kids are getting taken care of, getting home
and doing all that. So I was always a little
bit later leaving after finals. So I was actually missing
the entire Kansas rifle season because of my college schedule,
even only being you know, five hours away. And I

(31:15):
remember going in for my junior year and my brother's like, hey,
I was going through a bunch of stuff at the
garage at home, and I found dad's old nineteen eighty
eight hoitt Rambo of all those and he goes, you know,

(31:36):
I'm I'm up in Carnie because he was going to
Unk at the time, you know, playing ball up there,
and he's like, you know, the Cabella's here's a hot dealer.
I'm gonna I'm gonna take it in and get new
strings on it and have everything looked at it. And he goes,
but I think you should pick up this tag and
come home over Thanksgiving instead of just you know, waiting

(31:57):
for you know, Christmas to happen. And and normally over
Thanksgiving we went to my grandparents's place, which was just
north of Topeka. It was about an hour and a
half drive for me. It was a you know, two
and a half three hour drive for him and for
the folks. And so it allowed me, especially if I
was traveling right before the holidays, it was easier for

(32:19):
me to get to them than to go all the
way five hours home and try to get back to
make a shuttle to get to the next trip. And
so he goes to Cabell's and gets gets this eighty
eight foight fixed up. And luckily that year, my junior year,
we had changed our schedule up in the main tournament
that we would be at over that weekend leading into it,

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they had shifted and so we actually were able to
go and shoot and compete and get back before the
Thanksgiving woe. And so I was able to go all
the way home and we hunted, but we'd be up
two hours before first light. We'd get ready, we'd go out,
we'd sit and stands until you know, eleven o'clock, and

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we'd come back and have lunch with Dad, and we'd
go out with the dogs and we'd we'd hunt upland
birds for about two hours and we'd have our gear
in the truck with us, and we'd peel off and
go sit in a stand again for for a couple
hours at night and get everything ready. And we just
had had a ball. We were we were hunting deer
in the morning and evening in the afternoon, we were
chasing pheasants and quaila with Dad and the dogs. And oh,

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I shot so much that that week. I just I
completely completely got to reset my psyche and re energize myself.
And at the end of that I hadn't gotten to
shooting my boat at an animal. You know, we've been
we've been doing a bunch of shooting, you know, in
the yard here and there, and obviously behind the guns
with the with the dogs. But I wasn't I wasn't

(33:51):
getting any opportunities with the boat. And so I finally
looked at my brother and I was like, let's let's
just go, like do a deer drive like a push.
I was like, you know, we grew up in Nebraska
and that's how mom and dad were more successful. As
you know, a couple of guys would come out and
you know, they'd do a deer drive and we'd fill tags.
I said, well, what if we kind of did that

(34:12):
with with our bows, but just slower and quieter, like
we know how to move, like it's it's not something
that's new for us. We're very light on our feet,
we can move very very slowly. We can put the
wind in our face, like we can put more things
in our favor. And he's like, sure, why not. So

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we pull up to this first place and I will
I go get out and you know, I checked the
wind and the wind is actually coming out of the
northwest down the straw and I was like, I was like,
this is perfect. We can go on the on the
fence line, get in here and go up and literally,
if we're getting ready to go do this, I look
up and there's a one hundred and fifteen hundred and

(34:56):
twenty inch white tail bedded about sixty yards off the
road in this package of uh C RP moving into
a thicket and I was like, I was like, hey, Austin,
there's a there's a buck right there. And he's like
what And I look and it's like, I'm those are antlers,
and so we start looking and oh, yeah it is.
So go over the fence, crawl in through some grass

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and get in and get you about thirty yards and
I get all hooked up and he's behind me like
you ready. I was like yeah, And so he drabs
his grunt tube just for up and a buck like
you can see him pick his head up and kind
of turn, but it's the thicket is in a position
where he can't see, and so he hits the grunt

(35:40):
tube again. And I come to full draw as the
buck stands up, and I fling an arrow at him,
and of course I don't have a range finder. I
don't know how to judge distance, and I send an
arrow over his back and I was like, oh grass,
And I knock another arrow and come to the draw
again and he looks yep.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
I got from bright will continue that story coming back.
This break is presented by SMI Marine Never get Soaked
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birds of a feather about to use of decoys and
mobile hunting and Scott, I'll let you run with the

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how that plays into what we do around here.

Speaker 5 (36:23):
Yeah, well, you know, listening to Evan SHARE's story about
going back home, I guess, Evan, where I met and
hunting right now is there was a point in the
time where there was a lot of people that I think,
individuals like yourself and myself and Jim others we all

(36:43):
looked up to. We were students and then we were
blessed and fortunate along the way to perfect a craft
that other people had interest in. And when you were
sharing that story, what I kept going to was when
you finally know in your heart and in your head

(37:06):
that your knowledge and your skills set is not necessarily perfected,
but it's consistent and it's allowing you to not only
enjoy your hunts.

Speaker 6 (37:18):
More, but you're able.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
To defind success and the feel with putting more meat
on the table and tags being punched. It's a very
satisfying feeling. And you were talking about your brother kind
of going out there and.

Speaker 6 (37:35):
Setting and maybe getting to enjoy it and stuff.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
I guess one of the hardest things, and let's cut
off of a really successful hunt yesterday is when you
know how much enjoyment you get out of your hunt
after all the hard work is done. And I think
that's a very satisfying thing because there are a lot
of ground blinds and preset tree stands and maybe even

(38:00):
a blind here or there.

Speaker 6 (38:02):
That's got a mister Buddy heater in it to keep
you warm.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
But to always be perfecting and to always be looking
at what you're doing, and then to move on to
the next hunt, and to carry your knowledge with you
even when you can take it from one species to
the next. It's just an it's an awesome feeling, and
I don't know how to talk about it without it sounding.

Speaker 6 (38:30):
Arrogant or cocky. Does any of that make sense to you?

Speaker 5 (38:34):
As you've perfected, especially where you surround yourself with some
of the best hunters in the industry and how you
represent with with Hoyd. Yes, you've got great equipment, but
there's just it seems like there's there's more and more
people wanting to make themselves a better hunter all around,
and they're devoting that time three hundred and sixty five

(38:55):
days a year to perfect that craft.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
Oh absolutely me, you know, and and with with who
I get to work with at Hoyt. You know, you're
talking about Randy Olmer, Kasey Brooks, John Dudley, Caam Haynes,
Michael wat Like. I could go on and on with
that list in you know, name drop. But one thing

(39:20):
that really has always stood out with me, and again
it's part of my nature with with what I've done
growing up and how I was raised, is is first
and foremost, you take every situation and you turn it
into a positive.

Speaker 6 (39:37):
Right.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
I don't believe in a negative mindset or a negative mentality.
Everything happens for a reason. So when someone looks at
something and they might look at a hunt and go, okay,
I just had this opportunity to go hunt out of
state or go do my dream hunt for the first time,
and I didn't fill attack. Okay, There's a lot of

(39:59):
people that could take that as a complete negative, right.
I didn't feel this tag like this was my chance.
What's a lot of pressure on you? When we put
pressure on ourselves like that, you're going to have gut wrenching,
just nauseous feelings the entire time. You're not gonna feel

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good in doing something that you love. And that's not
the point. Every time we go out, success or failure
to fill a tag needs to be taken off the table.
What am I learning today that's gonna make me better tomorrow?

(40:43):
And like, you just came off a successful hunt, Okay,
success because we feel the tag. I just came off
a successful hunt on that third season rifle tag in
Colorado where I'm using my boat. But in my opinion
on that five they hunt, what actually made that successful
on day five was something that happened on day three.

(41:07):
We've been hunting a specific buck and he was able
to make a move on us and got up into
a position to get into bed and where he's betting
we're not going to go chase him and bump him
and ruin an opportunity for the potential next three days.

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When we left him, we were looking for other deer
that would potentially be in a position to make a
stalk or do something with because you're always looking for
an opportunity. And we found another buck, just huge frame,
chocolate antlers, incredible fronts, and I was so drawn to

(41:52):
this deer. But the guys that I was just was
like no, no, no, no, no. Like let's I don't think
he's going to score as good like this one's on
a better pattern. Let's just watch him. Well, that watching
turned into this buck walking in front of me at
twenty eight yards, and I elected not even a knock
and arrow and take a shot. But what I did
do is I rose my bow up and I followed

(42:14):
him in front of me in this opening. And when
he got there, I gave him a map. He didn't
respond to the first one, so I gave him a
second one. Right, every white tail hunter has done it.
They're coming through. This is my area to shoot him in.
I need him to stop in this lane, full of draw,
come in rap flat. He didn't respond to the first one,

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so I gave him another one at a little higher volume.
As soon as I did that, that buck dropped his
butt and took off. Fast forward two days. Our primary
target buck has not showed up the last two days.
He had disappeared. But this buck that we saw on

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day three in the morning after that one went the
first one went to bed. I've got him pegged right
now at four hundred yards. He is in my spot.
I've got him with like forty other deer on a
sagebrush hill. He's sent checking dose and he turns and
he walks off on his own down a drainage for

(43:20):
the willow patch, and I'm like, let's go try and
cut him off. We made a move. He ended up
changing angles, went up into another spot to bed, worked
all the way out and around to get wind in
our favor, and as we're watching him from two hundred yards,
he turns and instead of betting, walks straight at us.

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I look at my buddy. I was like, dude, this
is he's gonna walk right through. This is gonna happen.
So we knock my arrow, get everything ready. He is
just head down, just sauntering right up this little cut
right to us the fifty four yards head on, where
he finally like looked at us with our spotters, like
everything is just right out in the open in this stage,

(44:05):
and he's like, oh, that doesn't look right, and so
he turns and then ends up kind of going back
down to the betting area he was initially in. And
I came to full draw, and I knew if I
tried to stop him, he was going to run because
he's already done it. And so I gave him a
little lead, executed a good shot, and drove that arrow

(44:30):
quartering away all the way up through and he made
it one hundred yards. So what a lot of people
would have looked at as a failure for not getting
that opportunity on day three or not even taking that shot,
I was able to learn something about that specific deer
that helped me capitalize on it two days later.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
You know.

Speaker 4 (44:51):
And if you start thinking and going back and thinking
about educational and learning opportunities you had in the woods,
I am positive everybody can do that. Seven years ago,
my wife drew Itali in Kansas, second tag she'd ever had.
We were hunting my parents' home place and we had

(45:14):
a specific buck in mind that we were targeting for her.
He was a six and a half year old ten.
He was extremely consistent. We had been in that morning
in the stand where his bedding there is about eighty
yards to our north, and we knew that he had
a secondary bed that he went to in the morning,
so we were trying to ambush him on the way

(45:34):
to his afternoon bed, and we had a buck come
through there that morning and the buck wouldn't wheeze. So
when I was getting aggressive, trying to get this buck
in for an opportunity for my wife. I would snort
wheeze at him and he would spin around to look
at me and just go and he'd give me two snorts.
And he did it ten different times. As he was

(45:58):
walking away, I come at him and grunt and snort weason,
he would stop and give me two snorts. And he
never did anything except for that. That afternoon, our target
buck came in. He ends up being at twelve yards
and busting Kaylee halfway through her draw cycle and just
goes down into a dry wash across the creek and

(46:19):
starts walking away, and he happens to drop into the
drainage where that buck that morning had went to a
tree and made a rub. And I can see that
our target buck is now on that same tree rubbing it. Okay,
I had a buck this morning in this area. He

(46:39):
hit that same tree. I knew what his tendency was,
so I gave that buck two snorts just and that
buck picked his head up and looked, pinned his ears back,
turned on. A diamond came from down wind, and she
ended up shooting that buck at twenty five yards. Because
I had remembered and learned something from a previous hunt,

(47:00):
from a previous encounter that helped us capitalize on that
current situation. When you allow yourself to learn and to
really take in your environment and the mannerisms of the
animals that you're interacting with, all you're gonna do is
build your educational database to have a better and more

(47:22):
successful hunt or another opportunity later on that you may
not have gotten if you didn't take the time to
be in that moment right then when something's happening.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
That's very interesting conversations. I got to go to break here.
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Speaker 5 (47:51):
Evan, the great part about listening to you talk was
the maturity that you were demonstrating as far as learning
and watching the animals and putting everything together.

Speaker 6 (48:04):
And I think.

Speaker 5 (48:06):
One of the greatest things that I value about you
is the friendship and the trust that I have with
not only you, but with the brand of archery equipment
that I prefer to use, and that's hoit. And I
think maturity really plays an important part when it comes

(48:29):
to not just selecting a bow, but also the whole
process of where that bow is used in application, whether
it's target archery or the field, and truly knowing that
you've put your gear together and you are using the
best of what is out there. I think it's an

(48:51):
honor to be able to have equipment as a hunter
such as Hoyt that I know can not necessarily be
abused on purpose, but take the abuse and then allow
me to get out there and make that shot with
perfection and deliver that lethal shot to the animal to
where it becomes a memory. It's not all based on

(49:13):
filling tags, but.

Speaker 6 (49:15):
It sure is a lot of pride.

Speaker 5 (49:17):
When when you're sitting there with everything coming together and
with great equipment. So host's changed a little bit, and
you may tell us a little bit about the honor
that it is to not only shoot Hoyt equipment as
a hunter, but to work there and and some of
the innovations it's getting ready to come up for the
bows in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Yeah, and again, not not every hunt's going to be
successful from the standpoint of filling tags, but we definitely
want you to have the utmost confidence in your equipment
when it does come to you know that that twenty
seconds of magic when everything has come together and this
is your chance. You know, if you don't trust your equipment,

(50:01):
if you don't have faith in yourself and your ability
to work with that equipment in any situation when it
comes down to that magic moment, then then either you're
not in the right equipment or there's something else going on,
right I am. I am extremely proud to say that
I was a Hoyit customer well before I had ever

(50:24):
even considered the option that one day I would be
a hoy employee. You know. I bought my first bow
after shooting Dad's rambow in two thousand and six. Yeah,
it was. It was. It was March of two thousand

(50:46):
and six, and it was not a Hoit And very honestly,
within six months I had I had sold that bow
and bought a hot I bro They was shooting a
hoy My best friend at the time was shooting a Hoight.
And what really got me was the strength and the

(51:06):
durability and the dependability, how tough those bows were. I watched,
I watched my buddy's bow get dry fired. I watched
my brothers get run over. I'm like, holy craft. Like
I literally was drawing my bow back and a limb
came apart on me and I was bathing that equipment.
You know, got the limbs replaced, but from that going on,

(51:27):
like I just there was something going on in my
mental psyche that I didn't have faith in the equipment
I was using. But yet everybody that I knew that
was running a hoyt, Like I was watching dry fires
and runovers and just this this abuse go on to
this equipment and these tools that they needed to be successful.

(51:49):
But through everything that was happening to their equipment, they
were shooting it day in day out. They had confidence,
they were feeling tagged, they were having success, and I
was just like, you know what, Like I I want
to have that going on, Like I want to know
if something happens to my bow and I run out
or buddy dry fires or or whatever happens, Like I'm

(52:11):
going to trust that these engineers and these designers are
more like me to build a bow that they're using
the field and they depend on no matter where they are,
what hunt they're on, what environment, what terrain, or what
has happened to that bow, and so that's that's really
what brought me to the brand was the the height toughness,

(52:36):
and it truly is it's not just a point of pride,
but it's really for me, it's a it's a it's
a point of honor. I truly believe we have the
best testing standards in the industry. There's nobody else that
is cycle testing their products a million times to make
sure that they're going to hold up. There's nobody else

(52:59):
that you r fir in there both fifteen hundred times
to test the safety of specific parts so that if
it happens to you in the field, you can have
the knowledge and the resources and the tools to go.
I know this has been tested apart from something very
very wrong going on, you you know, torque the bow.

(53:20):
When things happen which can't happen right, extenuating circumstances, but
we test everything to the extremes so you can depend
on in the field.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
All right, we're going to go to break. When we
come back from break, we're going to talk about how
Hoyt's building and putting these bows together. Right here in
the good ol Us of a Evan. There's a lot
of good options coming at us in twenty twenty six
if we want to shoot a hoit, but before we
get to the carbon and aluminum options and some of

(53:52):
the other choices of bows depending on what people want
to shoot, share a little bit with us about where
some Salt Lake City and American made products kind of
bleeds together with the Hoight.

Speaker 6 (54:07):
Line and the Hoight Company.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
Yeah, and we're definitely proud of our American heritage. You know,
Hoyt was founded in salt in uh Saint Louis, Missouri,
so we have very deep ties to the Midwest and
moved out to Salt Lake City in I believe. I
believe the move was finalized in eighty one. But first

(54:34):
and foremost, like, having American made products is definitely something
that everyone is moving and leaning towards now. But just
because your products are American made doesn't necessarily mean everything
needed to manufacture those is sourced in the US. You know,
as everybody knows. You know the carbon line, our red

(54:56):
works line that is a a material carbon based. There's
not good carbon manufacturing in the US. The absolute best
carbon manufacturers are in China. So we are sourcing our
carbon so you know when you're when you're talking about

(55:19):
tariffs and you're talking about price points. You know what
you're looking at is you're looking at cost of materials.
You're looking at import costs, You're looking at tariffs, You're
looking at cost of manufacturing and production. You're looking at
the hands on through the factory to paint them, how
to them film, gift them, assemble them, get them out

(55:39):
the door. So there's a lot more hands on and working.
Especially it goes on the carbon side versus the aluminum
where you you know, order in a bilit of aluminum
and you put it into a block, fascinate and you know,
turn machine on. So every every aspect of everything that

(55:59):
we have on the whim side is proudly made and
built in America from American parts. When you look at
our aluminum series on the AX three specificy this year,
like you will see a made in the USA because
of that fact. You won't see that on the carbon
simply because there are are outside sourced materials, but those

(56:23):
bows are made and manufactured right right, Just just setting
the tone for that, because we do we get a
lot of questions on where you're getting your carbon from.
I want to buy American made carbon you're not going
to any manufacturer in this industry that is building a
carbon bow is not sourcing their carbon material from a

(56:44):
US manufacturer. So whether it's Elite, Botech, pc US, whoever
has one, like, they're getting their carbon from outside the States,
and you're going to see those costs continue to rise
as long as we have the tariffs and things going on,
just because now we have added costs for production and
unit manufacturing. So but.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
Yeah, one of the great things too is as you're
as these bows are being design put together there at
Salt Lake, is is just how well not only you're
perfecting where the materials are coming from and in the craftsmanship,
but just the models that hunters have to choose from from.

(57:28):
You know, whether they're going to be doing a spot
in stack cohunter, they're going to be hunting out of
a groundbline. It's just I don't think there's a better
bow company out there that's trying to adapt for the
hunter when it comes to archery hunting equipment than Hoyt
hands down.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
Well yeah, and you know we feel the same way.
We understand that like any other aspect. You know, no
two white tail bucks are the same, No two bull
elk or the same. No two tom turkeys are the same.
No two human beings are the same. So trying to
force somebody into this or that and giving two options

(58:06):
or giving three options, sometimes that's not the best.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
You know.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
In both of our lines this year, we have a
short draw cam, we have a long draw cam, and
then in the center of your flag shit models we
have a short actual axle and a long actual axle.
So in the Red works line and in the AX
three series bows, we have four different models, and in
those four models we have two different geometries, so we

(58:32):
have short and long axle to axle models. In the
short actual axle we have a short draw cam that
goes twenty three to twenty seven inches. In your standard
actual axle you have a Gen four customizable cam that
covers twenty five to thirty inches. In your ultra you

(58:55):
have a twenty six to thirty one inch option. And
then that same culture or longer actual acxule model, you
have a thirty one to thirty three or sorry thirty
one in a quarter to thirty three inch draw length range.
So you have four options for bows from twenty three
to thirty three inches. What other manufacturer has that option,

(59:18):
and then inside of that your Gen four camport. It's
a carryover that we have used in last year's builds
as well, which you have order in strawink adjustments. You
have a hard and an extra hard back wall, and
you have a seventy five, eighty or eighty five percent

(59:38):
letoff option, so you can do all those adjustments without
having to put your bow in a press. What that
does is I can truly make this bow fit and
feel and respond and react the way I want it to.
As an archer, where that's important for me when we
look at leadoff. Okay, the lower my leadoff, the more

(01:00:02):
weight I'm going to be holding when I get to
full draw. A lot of guys are going to tell you,
I want eighty five percent. I want the least amount
of weight I'm holding on the back end because if
I need to draw back and hold for three minutes
to wait for that buck to take that final two
steps into my shooting lane, I want to be able
to hold it for three minutes. My thought for us

(01:00:22):
is I want to hold a little bit more on
the back end because the more weight I hold on
the back, the better response the bow gives me. Meaning
it comes off the back wall a little bit better,
especially if I need to go let down. I don't
have to push the bow forward and go from zero
to seventy on a dime, and now I, potentially, in

(01:00:46):
a cold weather situation, throw my shoulder out. The other
thing is when I hold more weight on the back end,
it allows me to put more weight on my setup
to account for environmental factors. Growing up in western Kansas,
I have to deal with a lot of wind. A

(01:01:06):
heavier mass weight bow for me shoots better, especially in
the wind. Right, it's physics. It takes a greater outside
force enact it on a body to make it move. Okay,
So heavier mass weight boat, I need a more consistent

(01:01:28):
mile per hour wind or a heavier gust to make
me move off target. If I go a very very
heavy boat and have a very high line off where
I'm holding almost no weight, I've got nothing on the
back end to keep me against that wall. I relax
more in my shot, I start moving all over the place,

(01:01:49):
and I give into the shot and end up letting up.
So there's there's so many things that you can do
with the development and the creation of your bow and
your system based on how you shoot, what release you shoot,
how you execute on the back end. And it's very
important to us because we understand that I'm not going

(01:02:11):
to shoot the same as a gym. I'm not going
to shoot the same as mister Scott. So I want
to give you options so you can play and figure
out do I pull really hard and I want more
holdingly to pull against? Do I want a little more valley?
And so I want to go from that extra hard,
like I get a brick wall on the back to

(01:02:33):
I'd like a sixteenth of an inchro I can kind
of relax and settle into my shot and get nice,
cozy and comfortable and sit there right. The more options
you have, the better you can feel behind that bow
when you get that opportunity harvest your target buck or
your target bowler, or make that shot that you've been

(01:02:54):
waiting all week for.

Speaker 6 (01:02:56):
No doubt about it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
And that's everything you're talking to as well. Is a
very important reason why folks need to get in and
see their hot dealer and make sure that when they're
buying the bow that they're realizing what service is coming
with that dealer in order to get that boat set
up and tune for them because you were sharing stories

(01:03:20):
about your wife drawing a tag.

Speaker 6 (01:03:21):
And as people age, whether.

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
Their shoulders are starting to wear out a little bit,
or maybe some people are getting in the gym and
they're able to start pulling more poundage, or they're just
going out for a different type of hunt on a
different terrain. It's just a very good thing to have
options where a bowl can be built to the individual
and serve you the best way that you possibly can.

(01:03:47):
We're going to go to break. When we come back
from break, Evin, I want you to share with us
a little bit about what you're doing in the clothing
line and how that's become a development. It's part of
your responsibility as a hunter and someone in the industry.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Evan.

Speaker 5 (01:04:07):
As we try to perfect bows, you're also trying to
perfect clothing. Tell us a little bit about your kofa
USA and and what you've got up your sleep with
all that, because I'm sure a lot of folks are
going to be interested. Everybody's always trying to stay warm
or stay cool and do it lighter and better gear
each and every year, and that's something that is always

(01:04:30):
being perfected and tweaked.

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
Yeah, and that's That's exactly what where Copas started. Myself
and a couple buddies just felt like there was there
was some elements being left on the table, especially when
we looked at you know, one of our partners is
a is a former Major League baseball player. With with

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my background in sports and athletics and fitness, you know,
the two of us are very very warm bodied natures,
and like I sweat profusely, so I have to be
very careful, you know, when I'm looking at leaving my truck,

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and you know, one of my main properties that even
right now I'm trying to get back to Kansas to hunt.
If I get any kind of moisture on weatherwise, on
one road, I can't access that side. So it now
forces me to go a half mile from another spot
to access this specific spot to try and hunt this gear.

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And so I have to look at weather and the
temperature and plan so much more because I know that
half mile hike with all of my gear and spare
clothes to go and sit all day. If I overheat
in that half mile because I put too much on
to start with or put the wrong materials on, it
could cost me that day. So much of that came

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down to the materials and how specific materials are designed
to work and interact with your body. So the big
thing that we want to focus on is moisture management
and the ability for when you start moving and working
and your body's core temperature starts to increase and elevate.

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We want to one take that moisture and precipitation that
you're creating pulled away from your skin and get rid
of it, but we also want to allow that temperature regulation.
So if you lose all of it, obviously you're going
to be cold once you stop. So it's designing and
developing a layering system that is working with your body's

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natural cadence. Designed using materials, they're going to work with
your body's natural activation levels while maintaining warmth in stationary
situations and be the absolute most durble products on the market.

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Two of my business partners grew up in Arizona, and
so they're hunting that desert terrain where everything is poking
and pinching and grabbing and just wanting to stick you,
you know, and where I grew up in Kansas. We've
got we've got briers, we've got forms, we've got barbed
wire fences, like everything that you can think of that

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is going to shred your gear if it doesn't have
the right material makeup. So we are really focusing right
now on using stretch woven nylons instead of a polyester
pollies don't necessarily breathe as well, where a stretch fit

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nylon is going to allow that moisture management and that
that moisture movement, while at the same time, once you
do stop, it's a tighter woven material. So once your
movement stops, it allows the material to remain in a
tighter woven system to help maintain and trap heat under

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those stationary or sitting situations. So it's really the best
of both worlds. As you move it, it allows you know,
elasticity and stretched and that helps open the quote unquote
pores of the material, allows that that heat dumping during
high output activity levels and then closes up when you
get into a stationary type environment or situation, whether that's

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you finally got to the top of the ridge and
now you're sitting down to get your spot er out
in glass and basin, or I've hiked into my tree stand,
now I've gone up and I am walking my system
in to sit all day.

Speaker 6 (01:09:01):
Yeah, I commend you for being versatile.

Speaker 5 (01:09:03):
I really commend you for the fact of the terrain,
because nothing's any worse than taking your heart onned dollar
and invest into something that if you're just standing outside
in your backyard, it's keeping you warm or cool, but
if you actually have to go out and apply it
in the field and the elements that it's got to
be able to have some abrasion resistance and and materials,

(01:09:26):
like you were saying, just learning what breathe the building
and function is. So for folks that want to check
out and get more information about hoight archery and KOFA,
where would you send them to get information to further
their education on it and possibly become a customer.

Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
Yeah. So on the on the Hoyt side, it's uh,
it's hoint dot com. You can see all of our
hunting and target dot com UH for all of our
target lines if you are looking to expand your your
archery prowess and maybe go on to you know, some
winter leagues or stuff like that. And then on the

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clothing side, it's Cofa us a a o f A
USA dot com. We are a fairly new company obviously
we we just kind of kicked off the website in
the last two weeks, but we are growing rapidly and
getting a lot of really good response. We're going to
be working closely with a lot of my close hunting

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partners and friends on the design signpoint from a evolution
of clothing style, So getting a lot of input from
you know, guys are spending more time in the field
than I am, even with with outfitting businesses and things
like that, you know, because the biggest thing is is
we want to drive the need for specific pieces. We

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don't want to overload and go you know, here's seven
different pairs of p and here's twelve different tops, and
here's eighteen different vests and jackets. And it's designed to
be a layering system that works for the specific individual
performance on your terms, is what we like to call it.

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Our goal is to minimize the number of layers that
you need for your specific hunting task. Whether you are
chasing gobblers in the spring and so you need an
ultra lightweight top to be able to run and move,
and then when you sit down, just something light to
throw on to cut the wind until that next run
and gun situation. You can rip it off and go,

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or if you don't want to rip it off, it's
going to move and breathe with you, because you're going
to open and activate that poor system, but all built
around the modern outdoors, n durable, technical, athletic and just
ready to go and hit the field with you.

Speaker 5 (01:11:55):
Evin, I can't thank you enough for joining us on
tonight's program. I'm true thankful being a Hoyt shooter that
we've got a great line of bows and I appreciate
it as a hunter that you're bringing even better camouflage
and better clothing to us folks.

Speaker 6 (01:12:10):
That's it for the night.

Speaker 5 (01:12:12):
We'll see you next week right here on Jim Straighter
Outdoors