3-30-25- Talking Turkey with Harold Knight

On tonight's show, Jim and Scott talk turkey with Harold Knight, legendary turkey hunter and co-owner of Knight & Hale Game Calls.

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Speaker 2 (01:00):
Good evening everyone, Jim Straighter here and welcome to a
great program tonight. Because Scott Croning, we have none other
than demand the legend an industry icon. Harold Knight Night
and Hell Gang Calls has been kind enough to agree

(01:20):
to being all with us tonight. He has been traveling
like crazy, hunting all over the place in the Deep South,
and it's traveled back up home and it's home this evening,
and as I say, he's gonna join us in Scott,
I know you're looking forward to this as much as
I am. Harold is gosh. Harold and I have probably

(01:42):
hunting fish together for about fifty years now and many
miles of many smiles in that regard. But I know
you're looking forward to visiting with him this evening.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
As well, special time of year with spring turkey season
right around the corner in Kentucky and Indians and have one,
if not the most legendary turkey hunter out of the
state of Kentucky. And lots of good news too to
talk about with Harold. He's shooting some TSS and he's

(02:13):
been traveling, and he's got some recent harvest under his belt,
and he's always staying on top of everything. So besides
the old traditional ways of hunting and killing turkeys, I'm
sure he's going to have a new way or two
that he can talk us into putting the tag around
a gobbler's leg this spring gym.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yes, sir, And we're gonna talk about a broad range
of things tonight. We're gonna talk about the flock and uh,
the status that it's in some places good, some not
so good. We're gonna talk about what the birds are
doing right now, and of course he's gonna talk a
little bit about technique and calling and changes within the industry.

(02:55):
There's just a whole lot of ground to cover. So
in that regard, I'm gonna go to break rice and
after the break we'll get Harold on it and talk
a little turkey. So I'm gonna go to break. The
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(03:16):
And the twenty twenty fives are here, So go see him.
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we got mn at all on time, Buddy, Harold Night
on with us tonight, Harold, how in the world are you?

Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah, I'm doing great, brother, So good to get to
be on your shoulder this time of year. This is
a special time of year for me. You know, strain
the year. Everything's happening, everything's coming to live birds, singing turkeys, goblin, fishing,
bat and what else can you ask for? Brother?

Speaker 2 (03:54):
A big amen on that, my brother. We we always
enjoy the time of year so much. And I know
you've been traveling a good bit. You want to share
anything about that with folks, because I know you've been
calling for people and having a lot of fun with
it already.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
I went to South Florida a couple of weeks ago
with the Turkeys for Tomorrow organization, and they had used
my name and sold not sold. Hunt. People had a
chance to bid on the hunt or and who wanted?

(04:34):
The boy from North Carolina wanted, and I took him hunting,
and he killed a turkey and he missed the first
turkey shot at thirty yards wide open. But I think
you had a gun problem. He really didn't know it,
but we got him another gun and he redeemed yourself

(04:55):
real quick in about two or three hours.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Cool.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
I enjoy it that I enjoyed going to Florida different
places last week, as in south of Tuscaloose, Alabama, with
a friend of mine. And I'll be honest with Jim,
I just want to leave my gun at home. I
hadn't much, I ain't picked it up. But uh, I
love to go with people and try to help them
kill a turkey. And uh, you know a lot of

(05:22):
times you you'll be successful, a lot of times you want.
And I've witnessed both of them so far. You know
you don't kill turkey every time you go. I can
tell you that, or at least I don't. And uh,
I got humbled pretty good, and uh that's good. I
like it.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Well, you learn as much more when you get humble
than you do when one comes in and commits what
I call suicide. And uh, we both know that. You know,
uh that turkey is for tomorrow. Organization. We've had uh
Jason on with us, and I'm really behind what they're doing.
Their research and the grassroots aspect of that organization really

(06:08):
have caught our fancy Scott and I've had them on
several times now.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
Well, I went with Jason, I went to bowl and
Green meet him and drove with him to South Florida,
and I hadn't been around that organization much, but I
was impressed with it. You know, I'm for helping any
organization that wants to help wildlife, especially the wad turkey.
And I'm a lifetime member of the National Turkey Federation

(06:35):
and I'm also a member of Turkeys for Tomorrow, and
i believe in helping both of them. And I'm not
trying to politic feed on one of them. I'm just
for both of them because they're both trying to help
the turkey.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yes, sir, absolutely, How there are so many changes in
turkey hunting? Uh and Scott, I know you want to
speak to this. I'm might let you lead off because
you're a keyly desired to talk to Harold about how
things have changed so much dreaded the years that we've honted.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Well, probably the biggest thing that has come up on
the radar over the last several years, and we even
talked about it on a past program a couple of
years ago, and that was just some people seeing some
declines in turkeys and areas, and it seems that between
the cicadas and folks doing a little trapping, and most

(07:31):
importantly looking at that overall habitat management that folks are
starting to see some return benefits from their efforts to
help the wild turkey. So with where you've been Harold
and traveling and talking with folks, what's the current temperature
and condition of conversation when it comes to turkey flock numbers. Well,

(07:56):
you go to some geographic and the turkey population will
be down, and then you go to another not far
away from it, it'll be up. You know, Uh, you
know where to have a good reproduction area, you know,
and people put good food flocks out and trapping and everything.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
Seems that helped a lot. You know, you get an
old hen this time of year, she's out there fix
and start laying, and she's in good shape. She's just
gonna do better. And like you said last year, the
last two years here at home, we've had a bumper
crop of acres and those cicadas I think really helped
her turkeys on reproduction last year. And personally here at

(08:43):
home we had a buffer crop of turkeys this year.
And I'm talking to several people in western Kentucky and
now we went all pretty much all the state Kentucky
and a lot of other states, and it seems the
turkey population seems to be coming back up in some
of these counties. It was down, you know, and I'm
so glad to see that. I'm telling you, it just

(09:05):
really hurts me to see the place have lots of
turkeys one year and the next two years they just
go down to nothing nearly. But hopefully we can find
out more things, research and stuff on that and maybe
do something for the future to help the wild turkey.
You know, I think it so much. We got to

(09:26):
learn about the wild turkey we don't know. And I
hope that like the organizations like NWTF and Turkeys for
Tomorrow and all these state organizations are state agencies, will
get in there and help us. And but anyway, we
have got a good bunch of turkeys in Kentucky, thank god.

(09:48):
And Tennessee has really had a real good production reproduction year.
And where I'm hunting Tennessee, I believe he's gotten me
at turkeys in place I've hunting. So that's that's something
really probity for me.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
What are you thinking about turkey numbers there, Harold? As
far as if you look back over the years, is
turkey hunting more popular now than it ever has been?
Or are you seeing more people traveling and utilizing public
ground or is it just because of social media and
YouTube that we see so much more of it?

Speaker 4 (10:25):
Well, I think a combination of everything. I think one thing,
we have the resource, sir, or the wild turkey, something
that we didn't have years ago. And when you've got
a good population of any kind of game, you're gonna hunt,
actually gonna have more hunters. And I see a lot
of young people in the state of Kentucky, young boys

(10:47):
and girls and women and older people that's hunting turkeys
that you know, enjoy it. Sometimes they're sixty five years
old enjoying it for the first time. And I had, uh,
I see some kids. I talked to a lot of
kids around locally here and bore they parted up. You know,
it's just them ten lived twelve year old. They they

(11:09):
can't wait the next weekend that U season open. Jeering Kentucky.
But yeah, we got we got a lot of people
travels too. You know, it seems you know, over the years,
I've heard people talk about the Grand Slam. You know,
my goodness, people go they really get into that going
to Florida and try to kill Osiola and then going
to cheering them killing them here in Turkey and your

(11:32):
real grand And I tell people what makes me really
really feel good about a grand slam killing poor Eastern
I'm telling you what. I love to hunt these Eastern turkeys.
They just to me a lot wilder. It's just a
it's just a great bird. I was out in Nebraska
back in the winter duck hunting on the Platte River,

(11:55):
and turkeys there you could dress drive right down. They didn't.
They didn't run, they just walked off. And you know,
it's a different turkey. I'm telling you, I'm hunted out there.
It's a different turkey than what we got here on
these Eastern turkey. Now, don't get wrong to us. The
old turkey's your while too. And you got some turkeys

(12:15):
and a mirror. Some of them are wild, and I
guess if they put hunting pressure on, they old get wild.
But there's a whole there, a lot lot eager to
hunt and to kill than the Eastern turkey.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Well, hell, I think you'll remember years and years ago
you and David went with me out the to Wyoming
to kill our first Mariams. And when we got out there,
we found out that those birds would come so far
to call them was crazy. I remember towards the end
of the hunt, when we had, you know, had enough

(12:49):
experience with them to kind of sit down and talk
about it. I never will forget that's what you said.
You said, you know, I've hundred rills, I've hundred OSSI old,
and now these marions, and you said at that time,
I can't compare them to an Eastern So I'm kind
of tickled you've not moved off that dime.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Well, Jim, I remember that one. We'd see a turkey
through binoctars a good mile I'm honestly a mile away,
you know, one mountain or another, and you yep to him,
and you'd have to sit there and watch him. Then
you'd hear him gobble back at you. You see him.
You couldn't hear him, you see him doing the gobble

(13:30):
back at you, and them turkeys would come to you.
They would honestly come to you. And I'm not saying
we called up turkeys a mile away, but we did
call turkeys up a long way. I mean, as far
as I've ever tried to call.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
A Turkey and it worked out for us, was the
amazing thing. We did a show about it and it
turned out just fine. So that was something that I'll
never forget because that was the first time I guess
that you had said, you know what, the Eastern is
gonna be my favorite. That for it is my grand slam.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
Yeah. Well, I remember going to brought As Montana, uh
on a turkey hunt. And this guy that was guiding us,
we had a film crew with us, and we was
riding down the road and he said, I have a
million acres that I can hunt on. And I looked
on them roads. I didn't see a beer can, a

(14:28):
coke can, or a candy wrapper. I didn't see anything.
I told him, I said, you know, if this road
was back home, it'd be literate. I'm re impressed this.
The people out here just pick up after the self.
He said, I'll tell you read name nothing on the roads.
It ain't nobody to throw out anything out here and

(14:50):
that way. But uh, that was a great hunt. I
one on around brought As Montana there on that powder
river and those turkeys up the mirroring turkey and oh
my gosh. You's some fond memories there.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
That's a great hunt. That's a great thing though, too,
Jim and Harold, Cause as folks are experiencing a little
decline maybe in the little pocket that they're in with
their flock, it's a good time to get on an
airplane or get in a vehicle and go see not
only some of the other species, but just get out
and see some other states. And a lot of these

(15:28):
states will still offer turkey hunting at a time of
year where your season can stand all the way from
March to almost June. And it's a little bit more
affordable than chasing elk and white tail deer all around
the country.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
Absolutely, it's certainly a lot, a lot super than hunting elk.
I can't tell you that. And I tell you what,
of all the hunting people ask me a lot about well,
you like to ilk hunt, you like to duck hunt,
you like to do this? What's your favorite? I don't
even hesitate. I tell them, no, wall turkey is my
favorite thing to hunt. And I'm hunt him for sixty

(16:06):
seven years now. And I tell you what. They humble
me every year, and about the time I think I've
got them figure it out, when they put me on
my heels, And I tell you what, I just love
to hunt a turkey. I really do. It's just something
about one that fascinates me.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
You know, Harold, I want to message something before we
go to break here, because we need all of us
that were around them. But those folks that are enjoying
the sport now need to understand the homage we need
to pay to our old buddy George Wright. Because George,
of course, you and I and David worked with him

(16:46):
hand and fist the whole way through restocking the state
and started down there with land between the lakes and
enjoyed that progress. But what I'm getting at is he
told us at that time, they'll come a day when
every critter out there will put turkey on the menu.
He said, everything from possums, the coons to coachs. You know,

(17:07):
he went through that whole litany, bobcats especially, and predator
control is such a necessity if you're going to be
serious about man's wildlife in this day and time. Don't
you agree?

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Oh? Absolutely? You know, Jim, we've got and Scott, we've
got such a big population of coons and possums now
all of this state. Because the fur price is so
down so much, and we just don't have as many.
I don't think we're having many coon hunters that really
are out there, you know, killing coons, you know, and

(17:46):
you know, I tell you what, we are really overpopulated.
I looked on a camera one day this week, camera
I had out at night time in a little field.
I could see four sets of eyes to get it,
and boy, I had to hurt me to see them,
because I know they're gonna be robbing nest come here

(18:07):
in just a few days. And possums, my gosh, I
believe one for the highways.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
All right, folks, Well we're gonna go to break here
and we'll get hair back home with you. Of course,
he was talking there about the possums and the highways
and how if it weren't for them, fore there'd be
a possum every square yard, it seems like out there
in the woods. So we'll talk to Harold again after
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(18:47):
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dot com. Harold, I know you've been keeping that sharp

(19:07):
eye years out here on the local scene. Tell us
what you're seeing about the flock, and you know where
the status is about what the hens and the gobblers
are doing, and what you think is right around the corner.
We've obviously had kind of a real burst of growth
in the woodland areas here in the last week or so.

(19:28):
The red buds are out and things are greening up.
So what are you seeing? What do you think this
youth's season looks like? For example, start off with that
if you would.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
Well, you know, it looks like we're going to have
a fairly early spring. You know it. You've red budget
out and I know it's the dog was here in
western Kentucky begin to yellow up a little and bloom
just a little bit, and that I think that it's
going to be very good for the first opening the

(20:04):
turkey season here around. I thank you the twelfth, and
we've got turkeys are gobbling pretty good right now. You know,
I'm hearing some I hadn't been out that much. I
really don't go out and listen to the turkeys goble
like I used to, but I certainly don't go out
try to call to them and saying if I do,
it'll be a localer call. And and I think that

(20:30):
we've got more turkeys the last two years here than
we've had. It just seems like I'm seeing more turkey.
I know, we've had two good reproduction years right here
in western Kentucky. And I'm talking to a lot of people, Jim,
in other counties that's telling me the same thing. They've
really seen a lot of turkeys. And boy, that's good.

(20:51):
That just that is something I really like people tell
me to seend lots of turkeys.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
As far as the youth and what's coming up there,
can you share some tips about that because I know
you're passionate about that. A Scott and I, uh, we
all take kids every chance we get.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
Well, you know the woods Unfortunately, it's gonna be more
open next weekend the following weekend. And what you got
to do if you're taking some youth out you need
some It's nothing wrong with putting a little blind up,
putting them in it, because you know it's hard for
young kids to sit still and something. These Eastern wild

(21:37):
turkeys the move, but they will not tolerate that movement,
and and uh take them and let let them shoot
their gun, and don't let them be scared of that gun.
If you should let them shoot a gun in a target.
Puts you a light load shell in their real light
load and be where he won't be scared. And then

(22:01):
you put you a little heavy load in there is grenlin.
Everything will be I mean, he'll be excited when he
shoots that turkey. He'll never feel the shot. And you know, uh,
you know a lot of kids start with a four
hundred and ten. You know they've got these four tins
now with this TSS shot and these little dot skopes

(22:21):
that it's really good. I mean, but uh, you know
most kids that can shoot a four tin can shoot
a tourny gate. And you just got to get the
stock you don't fit him and everything, and uh get
a gun that'll fit him. And when you take these
kids hunting, you remember now their patience is not near

(22:42):
as good as our dug. So take him something to drink,
something to eat, and make it interested. Let him hear turkeys.
If when you get going to the blind or going
to hunting, you out there showing him tracks, showing what
turkeys are doing. Time of year and try to tell him, uh,

(23:03):
this is the mating season, you know, and what what
the hens out there? And uh, the hen goes to
the gobler. You know, we're trying to define nature and
calling an old goblert to us, were trying to sound
like the hen and just tell them things like that,
tell them what's going on. And you know, another thing

(23:23):
to know any hunter, you've got to know what transition
these turkeys are in. And uh, when I say you
know what the what? What? You know? Turkey in the
first of the season, like now in the youth season
and around our first of our turkey season here in
some of these states like Indiana, Tennessee and Kentucky. You know,

(23:45):
they you can get by with a lot of calls,
and you know that's good. But when the season progresses,
you know, like the middle of the season, you've got
to know them. Turkeys in different transition and at the
end of the season they're certainly in a different one.
They don't hear a lot of calling. So you got
to learn them things. Learn what transition your turkeys are in,

(24:05):
and it will help you be a better turkey hunter.
And tell these kids if they want to be a
good turkey hunter. Learn everything they can about a wall
turkey from the when he's hatched out, what he goes through,
each period he goes through, he gets ready to be
that he gets all the way to do. You need

(24:25):
to learn what that turkey will eat, where he likes
the roots, why he likes the roosts around creeks and
over water, and why he'll come to a field on
a rainy day. Just things like that, and tell them
what to die is they eat a lot of insects,
They eat lots of you know, anytime things gotten uh,
Colonel Land, they'll eat, but they'll eat. They lead from

(24:47):
a frog of mouse that gets a chance. But to
tell them learn them at and I think that will
help them be a better.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
Hunter, absolutely, Scott. You wanted to ask Carol about the
development the TSS and these uh these different devices on
the gun to help kids in adults as well. Uh
fire away.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Can we back can we can we backtrack a little
bit to the youth for the upcoming weekend. First, so sure,
all right, the the young folks are gonna have a
lot of opportunity to see a lot of turkey activity,
possibly not just because of where they're at with their breeding.
But sometimes a good rain is just like getting a

(25:32):
fresh sunrise on the limb with turkeys being roosted and gobbling.
And with the weather that's ahead this week, we're gonna
have quite a bit of rain and we're gonna have
quite a bit of wind. It's gonna keep a lot
of agriculture production down low, which is going to lead
into a weekend for the twenty twenty five Kentucky you

(25:53):
season with a lot of rain in the forecast and
probably a lot more adults and young hunter and blinds
utilizing decoys in and around agriculture fields. But it's important
if folks have these ag areas to hunt to realize
the herbicide application and a lot of the farming practices
because of the wind have been set back several weeks,

(26:17):
and a lot of these fields have got a lot
of flowers that are popping, and these turkeys are going
to be out there. They're going to be bugging in
those naturally, but they're also going to be out in
those open areas with sain and everything that's coming and
with these birds being so henned up. Going back to
what Harold said, when you're trying to hunt with young people.

(26:38):
One negative thing that can come into play during that
early youth season is multiple turkeys coming in at one
time and trying to hide from multiple sets of eyes.
So make sure that your young folks are going to
take a good shot that can happen with an easy
rest to sit either firearm on. And remember that the

(26:59):
last thing that you want to have with a young hunter,
especially on their their first hunter anytime, is you don't
want to pull the trigger at one time and have
more than one turkey flopping on the ground. So it
takes a lot to mentore a young person. But we've
got to remember that mom and dad and uncle grandpa
can't get too excited either.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
Well, we need to supervise these kids when you got
And there's nothing unusual to see two or three gobblers
come out together early in the for the season. And
most of these turkeys will probably be brothers, you know,
they they've been together all the life. They come out
there and strutting around, and it's easy to kill two

(27:41):
one shot even three sometimes, you know. So I always
tell I've had grandkids out and had used out and
I said, all right, well I gonna shoot that turn.
You wait till he gets out, he'll get out, he'll
strut away from another. And when he does, I'm gonna
cut right big and he's gonna stick his head up
and you shoot him. And that's what we do. And
still a killing two at one shot. I don't like

(28:02):
to do that.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Hell uh, in the in the use season in particular,
what are some of the UH calling techniques you recommend
because the birds are in that first stage.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
Of breeding, Well, you can get you can do a
lot of call in that first of the season. And
I had three young boys but my house yesterday and
I was fixing them a call, and and I told
every one of them, I said, now, y'all good enough
to call turkey if y'all do the calling. And if
they can't use a mouth call. If they can't, you know,

(28:41):
don't eat. A mouth call is not the only call
out there. Get a little push and pull call, or
a little slate call, or some kind of little friiction call.
But learn to use that call. And these kids can
call a turkey up. Uh, I guarantee you and let
them call. You talk about something really making a hunt?
You let it kid make a call on the turkey

(29:02):
entry that that's that's that really makes a good hunt.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
When you know a little push pole that you all
came out so many years ago. You were at the
forefront of that, and David said, Jimbo, i'm a I'm
gonna give you a challenge. Will you hunt with this
push pole this year? I said, yes. I went on
that year. I hunted in Missouri, Alabama, Georgia and Ohio
and Kentucky. And that's all I used. And they're plumb deadly, buddy.

(29:31):
They're not a long range call like some of the others,
but for working birds and clothes, they're they're poisonous and
and that's something a child can learn to use. And
all they need to understand is the rhythm. Oh.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
I try to you know, it's these to use. I
try to tell people correct way you use a pushing pool.
A lot of them it says pushing pool, you know,
it's what we do a lot of times you pull it.
But I like to put it in my in my
hand and turn it upside down. And I've got one
in my hand now that I just picked up when
you said that, And I just pick it up and

(30:07):
I may just a little softy up. And that called
about any turkey up and uh, most anybody can use
that call, and it's it's almost fool fool food proof,
and we'll call the turkey up. David Hill's call. He's

(30:28):
used that ninety percent of the time when he's turkey up.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, he was always keen on it. When he gave
me that challenge. I don't mind telling you I was
a little timid about it because I'd always been, you know,
a diaphragm guy and a slate guy. Of course, I
had to use box calls and what have you, but
my meat and potatoes was always slater a diaphragm. But
that thing is absolutely deadly, and I can't tell folks.

(30:54):
Tell me, youngsters I've talked to hunt turkeys. I said,
you start with that little push pull and you get
in fairly close to the birds. You will bring them in.
You can count on it.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Well, something important too, I was gonna say something important
too with our flock. What's happened as far as the
setback in the age structure of our flock, especially in Kentucky,
our birds are they tend to be full of a
bunch of jakes and Jenny's right now and these birds

(31:26):
have kind of come up off this mass crop and
cicada crop, and they are running in pairs, and a
lot of these birds are younger compared to some of
the age structure that we've seen because of the setback
and the population, and some of these birds may respond
a little bit better to some soft calling and social calling,
much more so than aggressive fighting coling.

Speaker 4 (31:49):
You read. You know, you know there's not any one
thing you tell a person how to call a turkey.
You know, it's many different ways to call turkey, and
you got to know again what transition that turkey's in.
But I want to go back to one thing that
I noticed last year in the in the reproduction of

(32:10):
these turkeys. The first bunch of little turkeys I saw
last year was the fifteenth day of April, and the
second and THEMN turkeys was already ten days old. So
you think about when they hatched out, when they setting.
The hen had to be setting in March some because

(32:33):
you know, twenty eight days the turkeys the nests or
the hatch. So then the last bunch of saw little
turkeys was the end of Guene, So you think about
the time frame er. So that's a REASONA. I think
we've had such a good reproduction. Here. These turkeys had
a two to a couple of three hatches man alive.

(32:56):
And I'm not talking about one hen did that, but
some of them got broke up, one back, renested and everything.
And we had these turkeys from the middle of April
all the way to the end of June hatching out.
And that that's what it takes, that long time to
get your population back.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Yes, sir, that's a great point. Erb I gotta go
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I want to return to the youth season and one

(33:34):
of the things I want to harp on a little
bit is the need when the youth is shooting to
have a solid rest and to go through the motions
and order the possibilities that are gonna you know, they'll
be faced with when the bird comes in. And I'm

(33:54):
a big proponent of putting markers out there, yardage markers
where that's out. Understand once that bird gets inside, that
marker that we set out there. He's fair game. That's
when you kill him. You got any thoughts about that
before we.

Speaker 4 (34:08):
Break Yeah, I'll be glad to yeah. Uh uh. You
know a lot of times I put a decoy out
these kids too, and I certainly wanted to shoot off
of rest.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
They can.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
They make these a lot of different rests now, And
I set it up in there and let him put
the gun in there, and it's just a whole lot
easier from and when when before a turkey ever comes in,
if I'm sitting in a blind with a decoy up,
I said, all right, aim at that turkey's head that there, now,
Aim at his wadles. You know what his wattle is,

(34:47):
and that that's a lot gets you know, customer to
knowing what's going to do.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Well. I always try to tell him, hoss, we're not shooting.
When they ever shooting him in the neck, I want
you to hang right there where the feathers meet the neck,
and that is your kill shot.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
Correct, That's correct. That's the beauty part about uh having
a gun that's got one of those dot scopes on it,
you know, thirty forty yards you put a dot, put
your on him. How my feet. You cover the whole
turkey up with that little dot scope. You can put
it right on his wattle at thirty forty yards. He

(35:30):
kill him.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
You know that's right, that's a dead turkey. All right, Caral,
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Speaker 4 (35:47):
It really has been a game changer for turkey weapons.
I can tell you that, you know, I shoot, I
personally shoot at twenty gauge and I'm sure shooting. I'm
shooting that buyer Vortech new optic that came out with
this year. I've used the optics, the dot scope for

(36:12):
seven eight years now and it has really really helped
me in aiming at a turkey. You know, I like it.
I believe Jim said, paulgo, you know you don't shoot
a turkey's head, you shooted his neck. And that I
tell people to aim at that red wattle and I
can put that dot right on that wattle. If I'm

(36:34):
not advocating shooting at fifty yards, but these guns now
will kill easey at fifty yards if he's in the open,
and you can put that dot right on that wattle
at fifty yards. If I didn't have that dot and
just had a bead, I would cover the whole turkey
up almost. I couldn't really pick out a spot. But

(36:56):
you know, shells has changed a lot. You've got to
remembernumber the T S S is a heavier shot. Number
nine is what I shoot in T S S. It's
the same weight as a number five in lead. The
only difference is you've got hundreds more shot. And that's

(37:16):
the reason they so much effective at longer range and
my land. I'll be honest with you. You you watch what's
behind you. You shoot T S S because, uh we
shot them this year duck hunting some and on the water.
You used to see on the water they shoot. I'm
talking about one hundred yards. You know, you see the

(37:37):
pattern out there. It's unreal. But it's a it's a
different shell than that we used to you that was
shot in the past. But uh, I you know the
way I started to turn you hunting and now is
a whole lot different. I can tell you that, hell.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
I know that changed.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
It's changed the choke game up as well. And one
of the things that I wanted to advocate for is
there's no doubt there's a lot of aftermarket chokes out
there that folks can utilize, But when it comes to
setting up a turkey gun, now, it's not like twenty
thirty years ago when you had a shoe box full

(38:24):
of coffin chokes and kicks, gobbling thunders and Indian creeks.
I mean, there's so many different ways in which you
can shoot a subgauge or twelve gage shotgun with TSS,
but it's important that folks put a little bit of
time and effort into it and do pattern, you know,

(38:45):
their shotgun, whether they're shooting a bead or shooting a
red dot. And one of the things too, that I
think has changed drastically with shotguns over the last five
to ten years, especially if there are very few shotguns
that you can go to the store and buy consistently,

(39:05):
and the casting or the shimming cannot even hardly be corrected.
The guns or so far off to the left or
to the right, or up or down, and a lot
of times folks are finding themselves selves with a shotgun
that if they put any type of choke constriction to it,
and looking at their pattern other than a thirty inch circle,

(39:27):
they've got to go to some type of optic because
if not, they just got a shotgun that's not shooting
point of aim and point of impact. And that's a
very important thing for someone buying a shotgun today is
to realize that you may have to shoot a red
dot on a shotgun, whether or not your eyes are
good or not. It's just the fact that some of
the quality control and craftsmanship of some of these shotguns

(39:51):
are not as good as what they were twenty or
thirty years ago.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
You're exactly right. You know. I've bought guns and shoot
them right out of the box, and it's nothing uncommon
to see one be high, low, left or right. Now
I've noticed another thing. I do a lot of shooting
at targets a lot before turkey season. You've gotta fix

(40:15):
your shell after you're gonna shoot turkeys with, and when
you pattern that gun, use that same shell because shells
will shoot different. I shot a waterfowl shell this two
year ago that would shoot three foot high. Now I'm
say three foot I put a big piece of cardboard

(40:37):
out I was so disgusted. I wasn't hitting ducks, and
I put a big piece of cardboard out and shot
three foot high. And so you gotta know what kind
of which shell you're gonna shoot turkeys with, and you
pattern your gun with that shell, and uh, if it's
a long beard, just a lead shell, pattern it, that's

(40:58):
one you're gonna shoot. Pattern If it's a tss apex
or whoever, Uh pattern that shell, and uh know what
you're gonna do. And uh, I've seen you know these
guns now that are gas operated and will kick less

(41:20):
than a gun that's not gas operated, or like a
punk gun or over and under. And I've noticed that
some of these chokes that you put in there, I
personally am shooting us on a twenty gauge a five
five five Indian Creek. Now, that is a very tight choke.
And you've got to watch when you got Uh, when

(41:41):
I've got people shooting my gun, tell them it's real tight.
You've got to be right on. I recommend some of
these people that's getting a gun for a youngster to
have a more open choke on there. Course, you know
these guns out here, it's thirty yards is shooting a

(42:02):
lot of them are shooting just verish tat pattern and
it's easy to miss a turkey's head or nick.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
It's pretty easy for an average person to be able
to save themselves sixty to one hundred dollars and quite
a bit of expense and AMMO just trying what the
gun comes with, factory lated factory. As long as it's
raated for TSS, which is pretty similar to steal, it's
a harder shot. And for example, a five eighty may

(42:30):
give you a really good nice even pattern and a
twenty gay each all the way down to a five
seventy five, And for women or newer novice hunters and youth,
that's what you want. You want more of that good
even pattern than you do that real tight hot core
because it's no different than trying to shoot a big
white tail there. It really doesn't matter how fast your

(42:52):
arrows traveling, what broad head you using, if you shoot
under it or over it. And it's our job to
make an effective shot, So don't roll out your factory choke,
especially with the TSS.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Absolutely I agree with hunt sent you know we can
get two tighter chokes in a hurry on some of
these shelves I'm gonna tell you something. It's more turkeys
miss shooting over than it is under two. I don't
reys remember that. I tell you what I've watched over
the years, people shooting turkeys. I'd have people and I'd

(43:25):
sit right behind washing them, and to shoot over turkey.
That's what that young man done in Florida this year.
He asked me what did I do wrong? I said,
you shot over it. I said you had a true
gold fat which I'm not knocking at. And I said,
you never did get down on your gun real good.
You're probably just a little excited at big gobbler scrutting

(43:47):
around the decoy. And but you know he went right then,
I've got another gun twenty eight gaugs somebody had with
a little dot scope and a little little pss shot
and man, he kneeled a turkey thirty yards thirty five yards.

(44:08):
Just I mean he put it on it. And if
you'd hit that and the first to kill that turkey, Yes.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Sir, so us, I gotta go, we go in.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
I got to go to break with Okay, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Let me let me get to this break because I
know you all got some more thoughts you want to share. There.
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Speaker 4 (44:38):
Erald.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
We've had some discussion going there to break about this TSS.
And one of the things that's happened to us in
most recent time is the components to build and make
shotgun shells and where that What I was going to
say was when folks find a good lot, if you

(44:59):
don't know how to find the lot run of the
ammunition that you're shooting, it's important that you learned how.
And that's one of the really good things about some
of these custom amo companies that are out there. You
can actually still pick up the phone and call the
people that are loading the shells and they know whose
initials are on the side of the box, even if

(45:19):
it's not a number. But even when you shoot a
certain brand shell and a certain shot, because of the
post pandemic component issue, sometimes these shells may come in
the same color box or a little of this or
a little that can change. And it just goes back
to how important it is to pattern your gun before season.

(45:40):
But once you get a system and you figured out
how it's working and you like it. Sometimes it's good
to stuck up an amo and kind of sit back
on it for a few years.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
That is right. When you find something good, you've got
to get you some of them and tell you this
would be my trying to figure out for all go break.
This is my six or seven yere to shoot TSS
and uh I started out with APEX and still shoot apex. Uh.
But I noticed a lot of other shell manufacturers now

(46:13):
that it's manufacturing the TSS shot, and uh, I guess
they saw how effected it was and the the demand
for it, and it made them have to start manufacturing.
But it has been a game changer for turkey hunting.
And uh I've had people that uh that absolutely against it.

(46:37):
And if they want to shoot whatever they want to shoot,
you do it. Uh But I like it because I
get a good chill with it. And uh uh I've
let less turkeys get away with with that. And I
have anything I've ever.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Shot yep, and I want to I want to pick
your brain a little bit on these red dot optics
because just like you, I've got shotguns that have them,
and I've got shotguns that do not. And a lot
of times if I know I'm going hunting on a
rainy day. A lot of my friends have just stopped
hunting on rainy days. I'll still pick a beat up,

(47:12):
But when it comes to the red dot traveling around
with people and vehicles and airplanes and in and out
of camps, how many times are you in and out
of a camp that you're actually seeing problems with a
red dot? I think sometimes they get a really bad
stereotype that something's gonna go wrong with them, or the
batteries are gonna die. But a lot of these sites

(47:34):
now they've got solar power, they've got shake awake, they
shut off if you leave them on it. There's more
pros ton than cons in today's modern air than let's say,
ten years ago.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
Well, they like everything else got, they have upgraded them
and made them better. I'm shooting for the first time
this year on one of my guns, that new viper
from Vortech Optics. It has multiple radicals in it where
you can pick out a dot and fick a circle
and fick a circle with a dot in it, and

(48:05):
uh it's and it comes on. Like you said, I
don't ever have to turn it on the off. It
comes on off automatically when I move my gun, and
those batteries will last for thousands of hours, and uh
it's hard to I've never had a battery to go
dead on me. And uh, but I usually change a

(48:26):
battery out about every season or two, you know, just
because I don't want it to go out. You know,
A battery is not that expensive, and I put one in.
But I have not had any problem fogging up anything
like that with these opjects.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (48:44):
This coming waterfoul season, I'm gonna shoot one of these
new bapers on one of my shotguns to the waterfowl
hunt with. I'm gonna dove hunt with it urger see
if I can get used to it. But uh, I
hunted with some people last year that we did with
those uh uh the scopes you know, uh, and they

(49:06):
had they didn't use the dot. They use a circle
in there when that duck flew into that circle to
shot it, and you shooting with both as it's pretty
easy to pick up your target too. So I'm aye,
I think to use that this year.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
Yeah, I definitely think we're at just the beginning stages
of where optics are going to be going with shotgunning
and especially small game hunting and waterfowl. There's a there's
just a tremendous amount of growth that will eventually happen there.
And one good thing about it from working with youth
is it may be not it's not supported as far

(49:45):
as the form and which kids take. It's important to
teach kids good shooting form. But I do believe it
allows us to get kids out into the field at
an earlier age. And I believe that it allows some
of our aging hunters to stay out in the field
a little bit longer that a few years ago glasses
or this loss of eyesight in general would have would

(50:05):
have made them not be able to join us in
the duck line.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
Yeah, well that's good.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Uh, Herald, let me pick you up on that. After
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(50:36):
a thought therefore we went to break.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Yeah, I don't forgot it, told Jim all.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Right, Well I oh cheer, well, no problems. I resemble
that remark. Actually, hey, uh, I want you to take
us through some of your tactics from roust. You know,

(51:01):
there's always a lot of people that have different thoughts.
Do you call the bird on the roost? Do you
wait till they fly it down?

Speaker 4 (51:07):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (51:08):
You know, and throw in tactics from morning to afternoon
till late afternoon if you would.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
All right. When I start out hunting in the morning,
I usually use them a low caer calls, you know,
And I'll start in early in the morning with alcohol
and I probably won't use that alcohol much more during
the day. But uh, if I thee answers at uh,

(51:37):
you know, I know, I try to locate exactly where
he's at and get his close ms I can, depending
on you know, what kind of fold is he's at
and calling on the roost, you know. If I'm hunting
a public cunting area where there's a lot of pressure people,
that's uh, you know, going to the turkey, a lot

(51:59):
of call to him on the rooft, try to get
him to fly down my way, you know. But if
I'm just out on a place like I hunt on
my own property, a lot of times I don't even
call to them on the roost. I'll wait till they
come off the roofs and then I'll get to calling
him a lot. And I like to know what transition
these turkeys is in before I do all this calling.

(52:20):
And the early part of the season you can get
by with a lot of calling, and as a season progresses,
I sort of cut back on the calling. At the
end of the season, I do a lot of load
calling very low. You know, these hens are setting and
and but you know, a lot of times that's not

(52:41):
a bad time. But you've got to remember, at the
end of the season, you've got a lot of pressure
on these turkeys and they just don't want to hear
a lot of stuff and a lot of places if
you have to have a place where it hasn't been
a lot of pressure, man, that you can call to
them to the end of the season. But uh, go ahead,

(53:02):
go ahead.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Well I was gonna say is in general rule, I've
always felt that overcalling hurts you a lot more than
most people realize, because that tends to create in that
gobbler's mind the thought that that hen's excited that she
is gonna come to him. I'm a guy that calls
very sparsely most of the time. Well do you agree

(53:26):
with that?

Speaker 4 (53:28):
I agree with huarm Singer another time. That's the one
reason a lot of times, Jim that I don't called
a turkey while he's on the roost, because if you
call that turkey on the roost, he's gonna sit there
to he sees that hen, he's gonna set up there
and gobble and gobble. You know, I had a a
guy tell me last year. He comes by and he said,

(53:51):
you know, I called a turkey and that circus said
on and he said he I worked that turkey for
two hours and never did get him to come off
that roof. And I told him, I said, he worked
you for two hours? What he does and he did? Yeah,
he didn't. He never did. He wanted to see that hen,

(54:14):
so he set up on that roof and just gobble.
And that's one reason I don't like to call to
him on the roof. Now I'm not saying I don't
call to some turkeys on the roofs I do in
some situations, you know, But a lot of times I
want to because that sucker is set up there and
goble and godin want to see the hens, all right.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
And then let's say after Bruce's time, they've been with
the hens progress into too late morning and then on
in the afternoon, if you would, because everything changes absolutely.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
You know, I'm gonna take most of the turkeys I
kill in my life, it's probably been after nine o'clock.
And that's hard some people believe.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
And thank you, Harold Night. I have told people that
my whole life. They look at me like I've lost
my mind, and I tell them go ahead of him thought,
because I thank you though.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
For saying that what happens. A lot of times you'll
sit there in the morning time and hunt these turkeys,
and it is fun to hear a turkey gobble and
early in the morning, just really getting with it. But
most of the time he's gonna be with those hens
early in the morning, especially this time of year, and
when those hens get to get this is another thing.

(55:33):
You need to know what transition is. I keep saying that,
you got to know what these hens are doing. Is
the hens leaving him going into the nest. Let's say
that that'll be that will start happening pretty quick, and
that old gobbler have that hen with him, be strutting around.
He'll strut around all Once the hen's gone and he panics.

(55:55):
You know it's already getting up down ten o'clock in
the morning. So you hear him, God, are you call
to him with something and he'll gobble and buddy, he's
gonna look at him and then he'll come to you.
A lot of times, I mean, he'll be right in
your face before you know it. And I tell another
tip that I do when I if I'm turkey hunting

(56:18):
up in the date and that turkey quits goblin and uh,
you know, a lot of times I take a crow call.
My gosh, he'll answer that crow call. And another thing
that I'm doing now for the last few before I've
found this out a few years ago, it's taking a
quail call. It sounds like a red tail hawk man

(56:39):
that high pitched sam will make one gobble for nothing
else real And I've had good luck doing that. But
a crow call is probably my favorite call to locate
turkeys show up to date. Now, A lot of times
people want to take a other words of you're the turk,

(57:00):
he goes to him the turkey. He wants to make
him gobble again, don't use your turkey call, use a
crow call, because if you use that turkey call, he
might be right on you, and you ain't got time
to sit down in front of a tree. He'll be
right on you. I've had that's happening a lot of times.
So I'll use that crow call and he wants you know,
he's just a shot goblet at that, and then I'll

(57:23):
sit down and put my little soft call to him.
And that just some things like that. Another thing I
can tell these hunters that I see them doing wrong.
You know, you sitting there in the turkey's gobble and
he's hung up on you. That happens to every turkey hunter.
You set their eyes and he's quits gobbling. You can't
make him gobble. What do you do? You get up,

(57:45):
you walk crash straight to him. Don't never do that.
If you ever get up, make a circle behind, walk
behind and make a big circle. Don't walk rash straight
to where a turkey was gobbled. But if you'll change
your location without him seeing you, there's lots of times
he just start gobbling again, You'll you'll call him up.

(58:06):
And that's just some things that I do. Jim that
it worked for me over the year, and again I
stress and stress the people knowing what transition these turkeys
in when you're hunting them. Course it helps you to
know what to do.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Well to your point about circling out, and that's something
that you and I talked about a lot back in
the day when we were you know, learning and really
keen on how to fool some of these harder turkeys.
And the thing people need to understand about that tactic
is that tells that gobbler that that hunt him is

(58:44):
looking for him and couldn't find it in his mind
that hen is relocated and looking for him. That's what
I believe happens. And in a lot of those situations,
then he'll come in where he wouldn't when he was
hanging up.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
Right. That's another thing too, you know the age of
a turkey. You know, a turkey gobbler gets to be
adult at two years old his second season. Now, there's
a whole lot difference in a two year old turkey
than a three and four year old turkey. Calling him up. Now,
that three and four year old turkey is a lot

(59:21):
wiser than that two year old. And that turkey you
might have more three year old is sure you hunt,
and they'll be tougher to hunt than that two year old.
And course a juvenile gobler or Jake is one of
the easiest turkeys to call up, you know, But I

(59:41):
tell you what you do. You take a two year
old turkey and you call him up and scare him
or shoot a mission buddy. I tell you what he's
like a three and four year old and next time
you try to call him up. And that's what pressure
does to turkeys, especially the eastern turkey.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Yeah, there's no doubt that pressure turkeys are so different
than birds that hadn't been harassed. I mean those of
us that did television shows with turkeys, we were always
after a place where they hadn't been molested much because
your chances of getting something on videos ten times greater
than it is in an area where they've been called
to or shot at or spooked by clutters. There's no

(01:00:25):
doubt of that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Pressure with any game is important. And the more this
research comes out if folks pay attention, it doesn't matter
when we're talking about forward facing so onar talking with
the folks over at Delta or talking with turkeys for
tomorrow at NWTF. Sometimes no one wanted to leave that

(01:00:48):
turkey alone is the best call that you can make.
And sometimes going in after that turkey is the best
best thing you can do. It's that woodsmanship. And you've
got to stick with a lot of these turkeys. Sometimes
the terrain to allow you to walk in there at
nine thirty or ten o'clock in the morning, and you
got a grind with him all day until that little
window works where you can take advantage of him being lonely,

(01:01:10):
and then you can go.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Get your breakfast.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
So hunter makes a big mistake walking in the morning
or anytime through a field to get to his location.
You never want to walk through a field because that's
where a turkey. And let's say at Kentucky and Indiana
and Tennessee. He's got these heels. He's setting up on

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that hill looking that field. He's not looking for you,
but he's looking for a hen to come that field.
I'll walk through a thicket for all, walk through a
field anymore, because I've scured more turkeys doing that than
anything probably, And just avoid walking through those fields because
he's setting up for looking that field and he sees
you and the party's over.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Amen on that one. All right, I'm gonna go to
the last break here, folks. This break is presented by
us of my marine. Go see them and take care
of all your boating needs. Remember you never get sold
by my friends at SMI Hell. Obviously, Night and Hell
has been a starart icon in the outdoor industry for many,

(01:02:18):
many years and late in life here you're kind of
rejuvenating a little bit. And what I mean by that
is Night and Hell is on a roll again, and
I'd like you to talk a little bit about your
excitement about that and what you're looking at going forward.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
Well, Jim, I'm very pleased to see Night and He'll
reorganize and come back strong. They've got new leadership. They've
got some of the best social media people I've ever
been around, And uh, that's something that I can't do,
but they can and they are doing a good job

(01:02:56):
at that. And you know, they've got a lot of
good product out there, and you know it's limited and
quantities right now, they've sold so much that they tell
me that if you want something, you very get it.
If you want something you cain't find it. There's forty
good story anything, Jim. You know, they're selling a lot
of retails like Academy and Amazon and lots of sporty

(01:03:20):
good stores and it's going to be a lot more
in the future and tell you, Uh, these these people
really know what they're doing. They on the road and uh,
if you want to try to order something, just you
can visit nighting Hill dot com and you order it.
I mean, that's it's just that simple. But Uh, I'm
very pleased the quality have got these calls and and

(01:03:43):
uh and the people that's doing it really knows what
you're doing. And I'm tickled to see that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Well, I know you've always been really really conscious about
quality control and and and getting product out there that
would be easy for the average person to use. And
that's I think what's enabled you all to stay at
the top for so many many years. Obviously, you and
David as a partnership have been unparalleled really on development

(01:04:14):
of calls and innovation in the industry. I can go
back to oh gosh, well the push pull you all
want the first with that all. Obviously we're always big
on the diaphragm call side, but box calls, I mean,
you name it. The I never will forget the yellow hammer. Uh.

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I still got one of my vests that he travels.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
With me wherever I go. Oh, yelling and the fight
and purr was big, you know, just a huge, huge.
But you know, Jim, people ask me, uh, what was
you what did you tell the most of And and
believe it or not, deer call it's more deer hunters
and than all the other hunters I say, put together.

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And but we sold just lots of deer calls and
over the years. But anyway, I'm glad to see them
come back strong like they are and serious and I
really please to see him do that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Well. It's been a fantastic trip for you guys, And
obviously it's something it grew out of your passion for
the sport, and that's something that's always admirable and I
think folks hold in high regard because again, it was
serious calls for serious owns, and that's something that I've
always admired that you off given your heart and soul

(01:05:38):
to the business. And as the business has grown and
the industry has grown, everything's changed. But this new push
I'm really excited for y'all. I hope it bears a
lot of fruit. I think it will. I'm certain it will.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
Well, I appreciate you saying that, And anybody wants to
find one of uniting he'll call just Hill dot com
and just order it and they'll take care of you.
And if you can't find it, tell you know lots
of stores had a lot Academy and the Amazon, and
lots of sporting good stores in Kentucky and Tennessee and
the Indiana that has it now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Yes, sir, you know you were talking about those deer calls.
Do you remember you brought that first grunt call out
and you said, jimbo, I want you to try this.
We talked about it and and you sent me one
and I put it around my neck and I had
a buck come in the first time I used it,

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and when I drew back, I was at a steep
angle and I drew on that buck and that string
hit that call and wrapped it around my neck, slapped
me up, and I called you. I said, buddy, that
they's bummed deadly in a lot of ways. I don't
know if you remember that or not. That was just
that was some fun stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
Yeah, But I'll tell you what, Jim. You live and learn,
don't you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Hey, Hey, I like to say, when you're dumb, you
gotta be tough, you know, hey, Harold, It's always a pleasure.
I deeply appreciate it, and obviously, in closing here, please
give our best to your partner, David Hale. I know
he's got these healthy issues going on, and we love him,

(01:07:25):
we support him, and uh, God bless you guys for
everything you've done through the industry and for people through
the years.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
Well, Jim, I appreciate the op chences. Be on your
show and get to talk to the Hunter. And I
never get tired of hearing turkey stories and deer stories.
So if anybody sees me wants coming one, I listen.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Brother, yes, sir, well Harld, be safe out there. We'll
get back to you. Well, we'll converse throughout the season. Everybody.
I hope you enjoyed this. This is the man, the myth,
and the legend himself. We enjoy bringing it to you tonight.
Be safe out there. God bless everybody.