7-20-25 - DEER DAYS OF SUMMER

Jim and Scott interview Todd Ulery about Deer and Target archery.

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Speaker 2 (01:00):
Good evening, everybody. Jim straight here with Scott Cronin and
we've got a special summer program for you tonight. We're
going to talk to archery because the early archery season
in Kentucky is looming upon us very rapidly, and we're
going to talk tonight about some observations that's gotten I

(01:22):
have about where we are with buck antler development. Uh,
We're going to talk about the weather patterns that have developed.
We're going to talk about our some of our prognostications
for the season when it's opening and what that portends.
And then in the main part of the program, we're
going to talk all things archery.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Tonight. We're going to have.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Todd Yuleery with Ops Supply there in Simpsonville, Kentucky, who
is an expert archer and probably one of the most
sincere advocates for archery and or coaches for archers.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
That I've ever met.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Todd has got a wealth of knowledge and he's gonna
be on with us tonight to talk about all the
new products, about tuning, about you know, the differences between
the different types of archery equipment, and I think you're
gonna really have a lot of fun with the program,
and it's something that should hopefully help you get ready

(02:26):
for the season. Where you're past the jitters, your equipment's ready,
and you're on target, whether that be a deer or
a target at the target range.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
So I'm gonna go to break real quick.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Coming back, Scott and I will cover some of the
basics on what's going on out there. I think you'll
enjoy hearing what our scouting reports and our network of
friends have revealed here in the last week or two
and it's pretty exciting, So stick with us. Will be
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(03:01):
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Speaker 3 (03:11):
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Speaker 2 (03:13):
By my friends at SMI showing a tremendous amount of promise,
and that's no doubt due to the amount of rainfall
that we've had all throughout this hot part of the summer.
It could have gone the other way real easily had
we had a drought and with this amount of heat.
But the vegetation's lush, the antler growth in general almost

(03:38):
across the board, even in the younger bucks, has been
a exceptional and.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
It's really exciting pointing at this. So we got a
little glitch.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
There with Scott, but any rate, the amount of vegetation
is still available even though we're in this hot summer
period is pretty unbelievable, and again due no doubt to
the amount of rain we had and all this lush
vegetation in addition to the late farm crop planning in
many areas where there's these really smaller lush soybeans, for example,

(04:16):
has been incredible. The clover this year and the other
plannings for the deer are just off the chart. Alfalfa, clover,
any of those you want to talk about, are just
magnificent stands this time. And there's been multiple cuttings, which
of course makes it regenerate and makes it even more

(04:37):
lush as these rains have continued to keep them hydrated
and in a good shape. So it's been just a
remarkable situation all the way around, and something that I'm
really looking forward to because these antlers are really up
and going. I do want to throw kudos to the

(05:00):
Kentucky Department Fishing Wildlife on something we're right around the
corner from the period when you can start feeding deer again,
and there's been a ban on that in certain areas,
and this time I think they finally realize that baiting
has not been shown in any studies to be a

(05:21):
major contributor to the problems with CWD. So it's pretty
exciting that we're going to be able to do supplemental
feeding during this late part of the summer because that's
the apex of these nasty insects that attack these deer.
The amount of flies and ticks on the deer this

(05:41):
year has been horrible in many many parts of the region,
and allowing supplemental feeding and or the mineral to keep
them in good condition to ward off.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
The effects these infancitations are good. Scott. Are you able
to hear me now?

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Yes, sir, loud and clear?

Speaker 2 (06:01):
All right, sir, Sorry about the snaff foo there were
you able to hear what I was talking about?

Speaker 4 (06:07):
I wasn't, not all of it. I come in on
the tail end there.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
You're talking about the lush green vegetation and the bucks
are ready, and it's time for us as hunters to
get ready as well. From doing our knocking on doors
or visiting landowners that we've hunted on for years, or
just trying to find a new place to Right now
is the time that when you put the work in,

(06:33):
it pays big dividends in the fall.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
And there's a lot of things that hunters need to be.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
Doing and getting ready, not just putting time in behind
the spot and scope or in the glass of the binoculars.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
It's time to.

Speaker 5 (06:45):
Get our bows ready and make sure that all of
our gear is ready to go. And I'm looking forward
to hearing from Todd tonight because the last two or
three years there's just been a lot more traffic because
of the way that radio and podcasts and YouTube has
been going to make sure folks understand bow tuning and
broad head sharpness and steams. That folks are a little

(07:08):
bit more willing now to take archery lessons, even though
they have a few years behind them. So we're going
to be talking about a lot of good things tonight.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
But Jim, you are talking about those flies.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
And insects and tics, and this isn't necessarily proven by
scientific data, but a lot of folks that run trail
cameras this time of year are going to see that
their deer just have a complete infestation of tics, especially
around their ears, because those are areas in which that

(07:40):
parasite can easily be seen from these trail camera pictures.
And one thing that folks may want to start doing
is adding garlic salt to their mineral licks. I've been
doing some research now for about two and a half years,
and I know for years a lot of livestock producers
integrated garlic into to their supplemental feeding program to help

(08:03):
ward off natural ways to prevent flies and picks. I
took it upon myself and several other landowners that we've
been doing some research and experiments, and it seems that
the garlic being added into the mineral sites is starting
to show and pay off in good dividends. And it's
a really simple thing to do. All people have to

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do is visit.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
A local.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
Grocery store and just the typical garlic salt that you
would add and substitute in on food to season your
steak with or maybe.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
Even sprinkle on your asparagus.

Speaker 5 (08:38):
We're just buying that and we're trying to put out
about a pound the five pounds in each site. We're
doing a little research there to see which one's working,
but I can guarantee that there is definitely an increase
and positive relationship between the garlic salt sites and the
non garlic salt sites on the amount of ticks we're
seeing on the deer's ears.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
I'm not surprised that you came up with that innovation
because of how tied you are to the livestock industry,
and I know there's a lot of correlations there, and
hats off to you for coming upon that and pursuing that.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
That's something that makes a ton of sense.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
To me because we know in dogs, for example, garlics
in their dick can help ward off fleas and ticks,
and so that's an interesting thing to consider. Do you
add that, for instance, if you have a block at
this time of year, do you pull the blocks up
and then reapply this or what's the best methodology.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
Well, basically, over time, most of our salt or mineral
sites are already pre established, and so what we're doing
is basically taking the lid off of the container and
it just it's in food grade size for typical cooking. Now,
you can go to different places that supply this and
arger quantities or amounts, but just take the lid off

(10:03):
of it and give it a little sprinkle in and
around your mineral sites that you currently have. And we
started off using garlic powder and then we had some
other sites that we used some garlic saw it on.
And just because of the natural response that deer have
during their antler development and lactation as things dreening up

(10:24):
and now we're in the peak of summer, salt is
just something that those animals naturally need, and of course
they're getting other trace minerals there, but it's been very
promising to see that just doing that little simple things
actually reduced the amount of ticks that we're seeing in
and around the deer's face and around their ears. And

(10:44):
it's pretty inexpensive, and I'd say the first person that can.

Speaker 4 (10:48):
Figure out a way to bag some of that up.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
Fifty pounds at a time, we'll have a pretty hot
selling item. They just need to get out there and
experiment around with it. Not everything that we find out
as Hunter's Jim comes from scientific labs. Some people over
the years have probably been mentored by some type of
outdoorsmen or a woodsman, and you have to be innovative

(11:13):
on your own and just going back on that livestock
practice of adalyzing, you know, adding the garlic and utilization
of it into a livestock feed to help control ticks
and flies. It just made perfect and common sense. Why
not try it and apply it into the deer herd.
And it's working, and it's a simple and very inexpensive.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Way to help out some creatures we care a lot about.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Well, hats off to you for experiment with that. I
know you're constantly doing things like that, and that's that's
very very interesting, my man. When you were unable to
hear me, Scott, I was talking about the antler development
in the amount of deer in let's say, the two

(12:00):
and a half year class up, how there's really good
mass this year and they're they're very far along in
the antler development. Given the fact that we're rocking right
here in mid July, I'm seeing a lot of bucks
that are, you know, not too far from finishing out.

(12:21):
And that leads to another subject. But you and I
network with different folks all around the region. Is that
what you're hearing that that the development seems to be
ahead of schedule real heavy.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
Yeah, between just scouting, being out in the field and
then working with trail camera companies. In general, what we're
seeing overall is our deer numbers are good. I would
say the honest feedback from my side is are numbers
of what I would consider big mature white tail bucks

(12:58):
in the state of Kentucky seems to be down. But
the number of deer in general, that year and a
half to two and a half year old deer loss deer,
they're going to be anywhere from forty to one hundred
and twenty inches of antler. We have a good amount,
and our fun population started off really strong.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
It seems that it's had some impact with the coachs
and predation.

Speaker 5 (13:26):
I know that a lot of the mowing was delayed
and a lot of the hay cutting was delayed because
of all the substantial amounts of rain we had. I
think agriculture was beyond fair to our fun population. But
I was seeing a lot more funds a month ago,
a month and a half ago, than I am now,
and a lot of those funds are still being dropped

(13:48):
to this day.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
I could just about bet.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
A paycheck that last week I had a dough show
up on a pretty regular mineral site on trail camera.
She was busting at the seams and then all of
a sudden, there's a nice little spotted white fawn with
her coming in after she was out of action for
two or three days, and she was a regular on
my camera and I'll watch her. And so we're still

(14:12):
having some deer that are dropping. We had some funds
that dropped really early, and it seems that it's kind
of been a we talk about a trickle rut. It
seems like it's been a little bit of a trickle
on how these fawns have popped out this year.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
Our deer numbers seem to be really strong, Jim.

Speaker 5 (14:27):
I think that it's going to be very important as
we move and work through our agreeances and disagreeances as
hunters in the Commonwealth, whether we're resident hunters or non
resident hunters, to do our part getting our archery equipment
out and letting our bullets fly to help harvest and
get some of these deer numbers down in areas, especially

(14:50):
I know in and around the area you live. I
hunt some of that area close to there. Deer density
is about where we want it to be before it
it gets into the danger zone.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
That's just my opinion. So I want to.

Speaker 5 (15:04):
Encourage everybody to utilize your binoculars, your spot scopes, and
your trail cameras, but try to take part and harvest
some of these deer. Donate to venison, to good programs
that are out there for charitable type purpose, and utilize
that venison on your table and share it with some
of the folks that maybe don't get out and hunt.

(15:24):
Maybe it's because of their age or they just don't
hunt in general. But there's so many different ways that
we can get that venison distributed, from our churches, to
our friends fighting cardiovascular issues, to this folks that enjoy
it on their table on a regular basis. So we're
not going to have a shortage of seeing any deer
this year. And on a positive note, with all of

(15:46):
these rains and the weather that we've had, I have
heard zero talk about blue tongue and EHD and I
hope that continues to be the vibe and the message
that we hear through the rest of the summer going
in the fall.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Amen, I'm glad you brought that up because that's been
off the radar at my end as well, and that
we're very very.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Grateful for that and hopefully that'll continue throughout the rest
of this hot weather period. Scott, let's talk a little
bit about.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
What we think is gonna be around the corner here.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
The season's open a little later than it has on
several seasons past. Given the antler development I'm seeing, I
think a lot of bucks are going to be out
of velvet by the time the season opens.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
I'd like your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (16:37):
Every year around the twenty first to twenty fifth of August,
deer change, and as that velvet and hormones begin to change,
especially when full moons pair up with those calendar dates,
those deer will go in cognito.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Those bucks, they'll change really quick.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
I think what we're gonna see as of right now,
long as things keep on par we have so many
soybeans that were planted late, and we have so many
cuttings that were delayed. I think we're going to see
some tremendously happy hunters. I think what's gonna happen. Those
deer are gonna get through their shedding of their velvet.

(17:18):
For the most part, I would say seventy five percent
of our deer will be shed by the opener on
September the sixth in Kentucky, and I think it will
be just enough time that if folks will get out
and fish a little bit and enjoy the dove fields
and let their trail cameras and their distance scouting from
either sitting behind the steering wheel the truck watching those fields.

(17:40):
I think these deer will be back on a pretty
consistent feed pattern before the pressure begins, and I think
they'll be able to slide an arrow through a deer
from a perfectly tuned bow from our buddy at Todd
over at op Supply and Steven could be done early for.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
A lot of folks, real quick, before.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
They even make it to the second weekend of season.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
I think you're exactly right, and you're spot on about
the crops. There's gonna be a lot of great places
to hunt, and if folks hadn't been out glass and yet,
you're really missing it because there's some bachelor groups out
there with some really nice racks on their heads, and
it's always fun to get out and get into that

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type of situation. Now, folks coming back coming back from break,
we're gonna be talking again with Todd Jewelry. Todd is
an excellent archery coach. He's really into youth archery in
a big way. He's a very seasoned hunter and most importantly,
he's up on the latest trends in the various types

(18:43):
of archery equipment. We'll talk about tuning those pieces of equipment.
And he's got a head full of smarts and he's
been kind enough to come on and share with us tonight.
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Speaker 2 (19:12):
All right, folks, we got Todd Yullery and he's with
OPS Supply out there in Simpsonville, Kentucky, great archery shop.
If you've not been out there and seeing their range
and seeing all that they can do to help train
you to be a better archer, you're really missing out
on something.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
And we're very, very fortunate to have Todd almost to night.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
Scott, Yeah, Todd, before we start talking about all the
gear and techniques and things you can bring us out
at OPS Supply.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
What's the deer report up.

Speaker 6 (19:43):
Your way, man, It's looking good, so far, we're very encouraged.
What we're seeing is early the bean fields, like Jim
mentioning earlier, are starting to really pack up. As long
as we can keep this rain coming, I think we're
set for a beautiful, beautiful early season.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
If this heat continues, I don't care if I see
a deer all season. I'm just ready to wear forty
degrees and little frost.

Speaker 7 (20:08):
That ain't wrong either, That ain't wrong.

Speaker 5 (20:10):
So Todd, every year, no matter how many arrows we've
put down a ranger, whether we shoot boats now compared
to arrows, there's always somebody and they can be in
their rookie year of archery, or they could be a
senior that needs something. So introduce yourself a little bit
to us and tell us about the shop that you

(20:30):
manage and run over there, and what folks can get
not just with gear, but with services that you offer
and provide.

Speaker 7 (20:39):
Sure, sure, well, as you all said, my name's Todd Gewelry.

Speaker 6 (20:43):
I am the archery manager at our supply there in Simpsonville.
We pride ourselves on keeping the old style archery shop
with the new technology. That being said, that welcoming place
where you know whether you're a first time person, or
you hunted for forty years, you can still walk in
and feel comfortable find what you need in a clean,
nice environment, family friendly style environment. I pride myself as

(21:08):
far as my abilities on coaching a lot, spend a
lot of time with both youth archers all the way
up through adults and helping them develop better form and
consistency as archers. You know, I think that's a big
thing we have to strive for. Is that humane kill,
you know, that that humane harvest, That that we aren't

(21:30):
searching for deer, hollering for a dog, you know, within
the first five minutes of our hunt. So we strive
to give those guys that ability, guys and gals that ability.
We offer classes, we offer seminars. We've got a seminar
coming up on August second. It's an introductory to bow
hunting and basic tuning course that we're going to do

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there at opsiply one to three. If anyone's interested, they
can reach out about that as well. But we try
to pride ourselves to on getting out there and being
amongst the manufacturers, trying to find those products that are
best going to serve our customers and to be able
to do that enter price range where it's still affordable

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and budget friendly even for that that person that that
may not have the brand new boat, you know mentality.

Speaker 7 (22:21):
So that's kind of where we stand on that stock.

Speaker 5 (22:27):
As far as when people start looking at traditional archery
equipment todd and and compounds and crossbows, there's there's always debate,
but let's put the debate aside and put the customers
in our sport first. What are you seeing as far
as trends and patterns with crossbow sales, traditional archery uh

(22:51):
entest picking up and and kind of compound boat sales
right now for the year.

Speaker 6 (22:56):
Well, we'll start out with compound. That's these companies have
come so far over over the past ten years. You know,
all these companies are running, whether it be Hooyd or
Darden or Elite that we carry there in the shop,
they're all running pretty even across the board. You know,
it comes down to the shooter's preference in the comfort
of shooting. But all the boats seem to be, you know,

(23:20):
getting a little bit longer, maybe a little more stable,
looking for a little more forgiving brace height, and we're
seeing that as well as we're seeing a lot of
guys and gals starting into programs like that.

Speaker 7 (23:33):
Ryan Reid has started here in state of Kentucky with
with ASA.

Speaker 6 (23:37):
And they've really had that going on this year. And
guys are ladies are getting out and practicing through shooting
three targets and stuff like that.

Speaker 7 (23:45):
So these boats kind of can do both things for them.
And that's what we're.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
Seeing is, Yeah, are you seeing anything as far as
success with accuracy or or product that's in the shop
right now for folks that aren't looking for necessarily a
new bow. Is there anything that's kind of catching your
eye or that the customers are coming in asking for.

Speaker 6 (24:07):
I think the big thing we talked about it and I
think in one of our earlier shows that we're seeing
a lot of a lot of the new archer looking
for is this ACA of Archeryes SOS system. And this
system has started to show itself as being an ability
to add on to a stabilizer that's giving a more
stable platform and you know, Excels we can get deep

(24:32):
into this very deep but Excels new sites with the drivers.
These things are selling like hotcakes. That's probably the most
comfortable site that we've seen in the shop in a
long time.

Speaker 7 (24:43):
And they don't stay very long.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
What are what are the features of that site?

Speaker 6 (24:52):
So with with that driver's site, Excel has always been
been one of my top sites to go to anyway,
but now they've kind of came in with this this
site and they're offering in multic multiple configurations as far
as the pins go from a three pin to a
single pin to five pen. It's also carrying a lot

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more fiber optic around the site, which is giving a
lot brighter pin tips that you can see. But they
added the rhistat in as well, where that you can
slide and you can cut that light out if it's
too bright in a low light situation, you can actually
dim that down to where you can see it without
having that happen to have that site light necessarily, but

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it with the configurations they set, these sites are now
set up to where they also have their rolls asal
on the side, so that you can set your ten
twenty thirty pen and your bottom pin may go forty
to fifty to sixty or however far for those guys
that are wanted to practice at further distances. So it's
it's just a it's a really nice site that they

(25:55):
offer both in the picatinnymount for what most bos have
that now days is the pick mount on the front,
but it also they still offer it in the bridgelocked
bar for Matthews and the traditional.

Speaker 7 (26:07):
Bar system for those that don't offer those.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
Well.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
So I was going to say when it comes time
for you know, you look at how the sites are
mountain and one of the things I think technology wise,
that is a big entrant to hunters and folks that
shoot a bow, and I'm interested to see what your
opinion of it is todd being that you're over there
running the shop, but you take a lot of bowls,
like right now Darton's getting a ton of attention with

(26:37):
some of their lineup, which is a big technology leaf
and Botech kind of started doing this, I guess on
on the flesh that people seen, and that was the
ability for folks to tune and manage their bowl without
having to put it into press. So before we go
into the break, just share with us from an archery

(27:00):
pro shop perspective of you working on the bows, not
us shooting the bows, what these technologies mean to you
and how it helps get bows toune and we'll jump
into weachs about broadheads later on. But what do you
like about these bows that you're not having to put
necessarily into press to work on.

Speaker 6 (27:20):
We're not we're not seeing as much press work as
we used to.

Speaker 7 (27:24):
That they're making them more hunter friendly.

Speaker 6 (27:28):
You know, we're in a day and age where unfortunately,
local bow shops aren't on every corner. You know, so
far we're surviving. We're trying to keep that going. But
in a lot of parts of the Bluegrass those shops
have gone, you know, so if that person purchases the bow,
they've got to learn to work on them. And Darknes
especially is one of those that has made changing draw

(27:51):
links so very easy.

Speaker 7 (27:52):
You know. Their modules are amazing.

Speaker 6 (27:56):
They've got multiple access points where you can tell exactly
where you're at without.

Speaker 7 (27:59):
Any any trouble. Move the module and you're ready to go.
You know.

Speaker 6 (28:05):
I think the big one before we go into the
break that we have to bring out is most of
these bows now have come out with this limb pocket
tuning system. Dartin has it on the front of the limbs,
Elite carries it in the rear. That absolutely once you
have your bow tuned down to the point that you
can't tune anymore and you still have that touch of

(28:27):
left or touch of right tear. It's as simple as
an island wrench and a quarter turn, and we can
shift those limb pockets and make that bow.

Speaker 7 (28:36):
Shoot absolute perfect bullet hopes.

Speaker 6 (28:39):
That's I think that's the top selling point for all
these new bows right now. And I mean it's not
a system that you can tune your whole bow with,
but it is that ultimate fine tune. And we've all
had that situation where we've got.

Speaker 7 (28:50):
Just a little bit of a tear and we can't
get it out.

Speaker 6 (28:53):
You know, you can take it out with with the
with the systems they have come out on these these
newer compounds.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
That's definitely.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yes, that's definitely a huge advancement. I mean I had
thought that for so long. It's given me great hairway
before I needed to happen.

Speaker 7 (29:14):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Jim, No, go ahead, Todd, and then I'll get the.

Speaker 7 (29:20):
Break well before we go to break.

Speaker 6 (29:23):
I think the other big thing too, that you can
think about with these boats is they're making them draw
so much lighter that guys are able to draw seventy
pound now that we're drawing sixty a year ago.

Speaker 7 (29:34):
You know, giving them a little more reach per se.

Speaker 6 (29:37):
So I think that's the other big thing you're seeing
this year, and I think we'll continue to see it.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Okay, Well, thanks to do continue to be very innovative.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
There's no question about it.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
All of them are great for accuracy and what Scott
was saying, you know, shot placements everything your accuracy.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
If it's not there, you're behind the eight ball. I'm
gonna go to break.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Coming back for break, we're going to continue discussions about
some of this equipment. We are going to talk about
broad heads because that's always a hot topic. This break
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get soaked by my friends at SMI. Hey, Todd, I
want to talk to you a little bit about broad

(30:21):
heads here and uh, that's always a big topic in
talk about the importance of selecting the right air and
broadhead combination, and then maybe a little bit about you know,
what types of heads worked for the various types.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Of boast, because there's some big differences there.

Speaker 6 (30:40):
Obviously, Yes, so they're sure he is, and I, you know,
I think it's one of those things. This is probably
the hot topic every year about this time as everybody
starts looking at broad heads and trying to figure out
you know, over the last couple of years, I feel
like there's been a big, a big swing all the
way around from.

Speaker 7 (30:59):
From cross to compound.

Speaker 6 (31:01):
To traditional bows with the single bevel style broadheads, and
and they're great heads if you're willing to take the
time to spend tuning those broadheads. That's where we've seen
a lot of the trouble come in as guys will
buy them and want to be able to go out
and shoot them a few times and go to the woods,
and they're just not able to do that.

Speaker 7 (31:23):
You know, you have to tune to them, you know.

Speaker 6 (31:27):
And I think when we get into broadheads too, you know,
we're seeing a big increase in expandables. The Beast, the
Bonemart Beast broadhead came out last year. A lot of
guys locked it and had great success out of it.
You've got standalones like the G five, the Mega Meats
or the Dead Meats that are man, they're just time honored.

(31:48):
Those heads. They leave a very massive blood trail, They
penetrate well, and they cut whether they open or they don't,
so they're almost a fail safe style head. And when
we go back and forth, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
No, no, go ahead, I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (32:07):
Well, when we when we go back and forth between them,
I think the big other big thing is it's just
a fixed blade to expandable the argument back and forth.
And and a lot of guys are making that move
back to fixed blade heads simply because they can use
them year.

Speaker 7 (32:21):
After year after year.

Speaker 6 (32:23):
You know, I've got a set of vp as right
now that I've been using for the last three years,
and I sharpened them every year before season.

Speaker 7 (32:29):
I throw them on and they're ready to go.

Speaker 6 (32:32):
It's these heads are are are a lot more dependable,
I think than we've seen early on with the with
the barriers or heads or even the early as wikies.
You know, uh, we we have we we kind of
crossed that threshold where they're making these heads lasts longer,
they're stronger, they're better materials. So you know, there's there's

(32:55):
obviously high points, but I think you know, for the
vast majority of the broadhead market is pretty equal.

Speaker 7 (33:02):
Across the board with a couple outliers.

Speaker 6 (33:05):
And and with that, you know, as long as you
take your time tuning and spend your time behind the bow,
you'll be ready when season.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Hits, Yes, sir, h compounds versus traditional bowls, that's where
you really get to the final points and what you
ought to be selected correct.

Speaker 7 (33:25):
Most definitely.

Speaker 6 (33:26):
And you know, obviously with with those that are there's
not a lot of traditional guys out there as far
as shops anymore. And we're having a lot of archers
that are migrating from the National Archer and School program
and then they can go straight to a traditional bow
because they're using the same principles and prospects. And with
that said, a lot of them are now learning to

(33:49):
tune and what, you know, what makes that airfly. It's
definitely a thing. And I also think it goes to
the crossbow side as well. I mean, a lot of
these crossbows are pushing four hundred feet a second. A
lot of fixed blade broadheads aren't gonna fly real well
at that either. You know, it's kind of we've created
a great thing, great problem, but now we've got to

(34:11):
find something that'll fly. And I think that's why you're
seeing a lot of the crossbows. I really like these
new expandibles.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Now, yes, Scott, what hell are you shooting these days.
One of your thoughts about this.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
Man my soap box on broad heads before I tell
you what I shoot. My broad heads are sharp, my
broad heads are durable, My broad heads are accurate, and
I shoot my arrows whether they have feathers on them
or whether I shoot boats out of a crossbow.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
I shoot them within range.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Jim.

Speaker 5 (34:47):
I focus more on shot placement, and I know that
the bigger the hole and the more penetration that I
can put on that deer to let it exp with
the lack of oxygen and blood through its system, the
more humane that I am as a hunter. So shark, durable, accurate,

(35:12):
within range broadheads are more important what we get into
with a lot of this stuff. And I want to
go positive on the program tonight with archery, but I
think people are pushing archery equipment too far and taking
shots too far. And I think as long as you
know your equipment, they can do it really, really well,
no matter if they're a name brand or if you're

(35:35):
stamping them and eating them with a blacksmith yourself out
behind the back forty at the barn gym.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Just make sure they're sharp, durable.

Speaker 5 (35:43):
And are hitting where you're aiming. That's the most important
thing about what broadhead.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
We shoot well. I always say the accuracy, accuracy, accuracy,
and that comes into tuning in some of the other
aspects of the title we talked about here coming back
for break.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
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I want to return to our conversation about broadheads for
a second, because we were going to talk a little
bit about selecting the right era and broadhead combination. And
what I mean by that question is, I don't think

(36:19):
we can overemphasize the importance of that era tuned with
the broadhead where it's going to transfer or thrust all
that energy through the animal to provide a clean entry
and a clean egit if at all possible. And can
you give us folks some tips, whether they're using, you know,

(36:41):
the single level or any of the other broadhead combinations,
about how important it is to tune and what maybe
they need to think about.

Speaker 6 (36:54):
Yeah, for sure, you know, in this day and age,
we're kind of we're very very lucky. We've got so
many options as far as shafts to be able to
tune to our equipment. You know, in the traditional world, Jim,
you've shot a little bit of the traditional along the
way too. You know that you can tune the air
to the boat. And that's kind of the approach that

(37:16):
I have kind of come come forward with, is building
this raw around the boat itself and what that bowl likes,
you know, making sure that our that are our spine
is enough that we're not shooting two weaks, you know
that we're shooting heavy and enough aarrow. You know, front
of center has become a big point of emphasis, you know,

(37:36):
and that being said, you know, putting that weight to
the front. You know that sixteen to twenty percent front
of center takes that era from feeling like a dart
going to being hit by mic truck. And I think
those are awesome things that we can do in the
tuning side of things to build an air first off,
that we know will give us the most clean and

(37:59):
ethical harvest that we can have our equipment in general.
You know a lot a lot of folks don't want
to think about it, but sometimes we've got to tune
our equipment to the broadhead we're using. And that being said,
giving us that that ethical window we may not be able.
As Scott brought up earlier. You know, I think we've

(38:19):
taken archery to the outer boundary somewhat. We you know,
I hear guys all the time talking about, oh, I
can shoot sixty to seventy yards.

Speaker 7 (38:29):
But you know, archery was meant to be a close.

Speaker 6 (38:31):
In, intimate style of pursuing game. And I think if
we get back in those levels and we stay within
our maximum success level with the right arrow couple with
the right broadhead, we're going to be successful ninety percent
of the time. And in selection just really is going

(38:52):
to depend on the bow you're running, and it doesn't
have to be a new bow. It could be a
bare white tail from years ago that you're using.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (39:01):
It's all about getting the most energy out of that
bow transferred to the arrow and pushing through that game.
And and those bills are something that we've been really
working with here lately with spinal alignment, aligning our our
our lead vein with the spine, making sure that the
broadheads lead blade lines with the spine of that arrow

(39:24):
so that everything when it goes out of there is
giving us the straightest, you know, path to our target
that we can have. And then coupling that with with
some helical to help with recovery and and things like that,
you can really build a great set of eras that
you may use now with today's products for another five, six,

(39:44):
seven years on the same set of eras before happening.

Speaker 7 (39:47):
By new ones. Yes, sir, it's it's definitely definitely a
different game now, for sure.

Speaker 5 (39:54):
You know it gets so the thing that gets so
interesting about broad heads slight errol build spines, you know,
nock tuning, you know which direction is that errol clocking.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
Coming off of the boat.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
All of those things really lead back to something that
you do a really good job of, Todd, and that
is that you teach archery. And I don't think people
understand when it comes to build ar tree versus hunting archery.
The amount of clothing that we have on maybe sometimes

(40:32):
it's we're hunting out of a saddle or we're hunting
out of a tree stand. We don't always have just
that perfect opportunity to make everything like an Olympic shot,
even though we're trying to do what's ethical. I think
one of the things that people have got to remember
is every time that you put wings on the front

(40:52):
of that broadhead, and every time that you put wings
on the back of that errol, and those would be
our fletchings, and you start changing the dynamics and basically
the physics of that errol. A lot of different things
can happen. But one of the main things that I
know that you do, and I want to brag on you,

(41:12):
is you give folks archery lessons and that helps them
with their form, and with good form and doing things consistently,
arrows start flying more consistent, and that's what accuracy is,
consistently hitting the same spot. So tell us where archery
lessons come in to play for the bow hunter, no

(41:35):
matter how many years they've been hunting. Where do you
see archery lessons and what improvements are you seeing out
of the men and women that you're instructing.

Speaker 6 (41:45):
Well, to answer that, I've kind of got to go
back to myself in my early starts. You know, as
a bow hunter, I grabbed the first thing out of
the closet that I could get out and draw, and
I went and find the tree. And I think a
lot of us it probably started that way, you know,
That's where our passion began.

Speaker 7 (42:02):
But as I as I've.

Speaker 6 (42:04):
Grown you know, in the sport and through coaching and
different things.

Speaker 7 (42:09):
You know, I'm starting to find.

Speaker 6 (42:09):
Out that if we can create a baseline form, no
matter whether we're hanging from a saddle and bracing off
a tree, or or whether we're shooting, you know, from
a groundblind, if we can maintain those forms, those straight
lines that that's so much echo through archery, we can
do that, our success is going to be you know,

(42:34):
astronomically better. That along with the repetition and just the
practice and not putting that bowl away for the season.
And that's been big, you know for a lot of
our students this year. You know, they started out coming
in at the hunting season last year and and they
have shot through the indoor three D leagues we hold there.

(42:54):
Now they're shooting outdoor and and we're still working and
you're seeing just better. We're all understanding of not only
their equipment, but of what it takes for their body
to be manipulated to make that shot every time.

Speaker 7 (43:09):
You know, when.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
You look at these improvements that they're making, todd how
many sessions are are you having to spend with people
for them to of course, you can continue to get
better and practice But what amount of time or sessions
would a person need to dedicate to come see you
or come down to the shot where you feel like

(43:30):
you could make them not only a better archer, but
a better hunter.

Speaker 7 (43:35):
I think a lot of it depends on the person obviously.

Speaker 6 (43:37):
I mean, you know, I've got kids right now, and
I got to brag on kids, because kids are such
great learners.

Speaker 7 (43:44):
They they're sponges, they soak up so much information.

Speaker 6 (43:47):
But we have kids that may be with us for
three or four sessions, you know, hour long sessions, and
then wow, they've got this figure it out. You know,
some of us that are kind of myself, that are
kind of hard headed at times and don't want to
change things, it takes a little longer. But I think
even even a simple lesson, you know, if you've been

(44:08):
an experienced bow hunter for quite some time, you know,
one lesson could give you just a little bit of form,
you know changes, maybe maybe some tuning changes that we
need to make to fit your form a little better.
Partner and drawing something as simple as that, And I
think that's a big one. We see all the time
is guys and gals coming in with bows that are

(44:30):
either far too short or they're far too long and
they're not going to achieve their accuracy with that like that,
and and a lot of that's found during those lesson
times that we do. And it's always you know, the
range is open literally five days a week. Now, they
can come in at any time. It doesn't have to

(44:52):
be a set of formal lesson. A lot of times
if they're in during the day or afternoon, I can
slide back and help out, or one of the guys
there around the shop can slide back and help out.
And you know, we enjoy that part. That's where we
excel I think for the shop there is we love
to help people.

Speaker 7 (45:10):
And see people succeed in things.

Speaker 6 (45:13):
But the average person three poor lessons will help them
get kind of on the track as long as they
continue to practice the things that they've learned during those sessions.

Speaker 7 (45:22):
Let's say it that way.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
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Speaker 2 (45:45):
Todd, I know you coach and see a whole lot
of kids at the shop, and are you seeing that
a whole lot more of the younger generations getting involved
in our tree in hell? And why you know what's
spat in this I suspect a lot of it is,
you know, some of these movies that have come out, But.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
Obviously archer and schools is part.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
But what are you seeing as a trend in the youth,
which to me is really exciting.

Speaker 6 (46:14):
It's it's it's growing very very very rapidly. And I
think it's not only growing with the youth.

Speaker 7 (46:20):
The youth.

Speaker 6 (46:20):
I think the big thing is is archery is one
of those things you don't have to be able to
throw a ball, you don't have to.

Speaker 7 (46:27):
Be able to do this or to do that.

Speaker 6 (46:30):
Some of these kids just have found a getaway and
archery and and a lot of them may never hunt,
but they've taken up the sport of archery and and
you know through the different new ranges that have opened up,
and it's just opened the door and helping it flourish. Obviously,
the NAST program is huge. USA archeries, Joe Ed programs

(46:52):
are are huge for these kids.

Speaker 7 (46:55):
But it's adults too.

Speaker 6 (46:56):
I mean, there's there's new adults picking up the sport
of archery. It seems like there's someone new in the
shop every time we turn around that's just starting out,
you know. And I don't know, Jim to answer it. Holy,
I don't know what's pushing them so hard, whether it
is the movies or or whether it's just almost the

(47:19):
brother sisterhood of hunting, you know, I think is a
very welcoming thing to folks. And they found a lot
of outdoor outdoor activity. After twenty twenty and all the
pandemic stuff that we had, they were forced to kind
of get out and search. I think is a lot
of it too. It's but it is growing. It's growing
like wildfire, and it's exciting to see these kids take

(47:43):
up that passion. That's why I'm at the shop.

Speaker 7 (47:45):
These these kids and these new archers too, really, you know,
helped to grow that.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
A lot of it is todd and op supply.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
I mean, if you keep up with social media, don't
sell yourself short. I mean, every time I'm looking, there's
a shot full of young people and you're keeping the
wheels hot on the road.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Too.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
And I think whenever a community has a good tech
pro shop, I think archery grows easily because folks are
turning off the TVs and they're going over to the
shop and they're shooting, and they're spending time at the range.
And a lot of talking today's world with young people

(48:30):
is mental health.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
And something that's.

Speaker 5 (48:33):
Very important that I think that folks understand and realize
is every single time that a young person takes a
shot with archery, if you can give them an environment that.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
Is safe to fail in and safe.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
To learn in, and you can mentor that young person
with patients, it's amazing how addictive it is for their
mental health and a positive way to always continuously try
to improve upon themselves. And when you can start that
in young people where every single time they pull that

(49:10):
bow back and they let that arrow fly down range
and they want to do better the next time, that's
going to carry over into their workplace.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
It's going to carry.

Speaker 5 (49:19):
Over into their ability to manage and run their family,
their faith. I mean, there's so many things that archery
opens up the doors to and and I think part
of what's making this grow, uh yeah, some TV some
of it's a good archery shop. But we've we've got
to remember, coming off of this pandemic, that kids still
want to learn, kids still want to do things. And

(49:41):
whenever a kid gets bored, there what better way with
just a with a few pieces of equipment and to
put something in their hands to help with their hand
and eye coordination and and and strike the bulls eye.

Speaker 6 (49:55):
You know, it is and it's and it's probably one
of the more affordable things to I mean, you know,
you take most of these kids starting out a Genesis
bow and six eras you know, they're talking maybe two
hundred bucks time they get everything together, they need to
go out and shoot. And if you consider you sports
right now, it's probably the cheapest to get involved in.

(50:15):
You know, I think the other thing too, you know,
for me, Artie, just in itself, I can speak on
my own accord. It has been a thing that has
kept me driving forward, you know, both through competing with compound,
but now with with the the long bow. You know,
it's you're you're every day, it's exercise, it's it's it's

(50:38):
an opportunity.

Speaker 7 (50:40):
To to release those mental issues that are going on.

Speaker 6 (50:44):
And and I mean I've found the ways with the
kids that you'll come in the shop today and you
may see eleven year old little boy behind the counterflecting airs,
or you may see my daughter that's that's working on
setting up a bow. But I think if you instill
in the confidence and those kids that hey, you can
do this, and they go and they they don't look back,

(51:06):
and and it's it's definitely taken off at the shop.
And it's something that that I'm proud of out there
is our youth, in our programs that we have for
the youth.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
You know, Todd something unique to archery that's always fascinated me,
and there's this has been repeated by a lot of people,
starting with Howard Hill and coming forward, but it's called
become the Errold.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
And there's just something.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Really primal about knowing that you can pull something back
and propel it forward using your eyesight and your dexterity
that will cause that projectile go out and hit It
is excuse me, a totally different feeling than there are
accuracy you get out of a rifle and I enjoy

(51:56):
that immensely too, or a shotgun shooting the flying target.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
There's something really hard about that too.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
But there's something almost atavistic about releasing an arrow, watching
it fly and strike that target. I don't know any
better way to describe it, but I think become the
arrow is kind of an ultimate way to instill that
in a person's head to where once they understand that's

(52:24):
what they're doing, I think they'll become a better archer.
Do you agree with that?

Speaker 6 (52:31):
And I think that that that Howard Hill quote is
one that's always stuck in my mind, you know, especially
on the longness traditional journey for me, you know, because
starting off, I can tell you I was far from
hitting bullseyes, you know, and it's it's taken a long
time to get there. But I will say, you know,
having harvested some game and stuff now with with arrows

(52:53):
that I myself have built out and tuned wood shafts,
and you know, there's there's definitely a greater respect. I mean,
I've got some nice deer on the wall, but the
ones that I have harvested with with those primitive items,
and I tell you what, you just can't beat it.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Yeah, it's definitely a different feeling altogether. Tom's going back
to shot placement, what have you? Technology is really influencing,
that isn't it With compounds and especially.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
With the other archery gear.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
I mean, it's crazy what you can do with crossbowl
absolutely crazy.

Speaker 6 (53:34):
If they are and then you know, you get in
this argument a lot of times with bow hunters. But
you know, my my thing has been if it gets
guys in the woods to hunt and ladies, then I
don't care which item they use because they're all getting
so close. But there is so many great crossbows out
there right now for people and that are able.

Speaker 7 (53:55):
To you know, and young kids.

Speaker 6 (53:57):
I mean, that's one thing that I've loved about them
to you is you can actually to get a kid
in the woods early.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Yes, sir, when they can't possibly pull back a boulder's
capable of propelling there to effectively. And that's that's that
is a very very good thing. All right, folks, we're
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(54:25):
what you're looking for. He's got a lot of good inventory.
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there about archery, farm and shooting that I think maybe
we ought to address. Uh water was the old myth

(54:45):
about you needed a long to draw, because today's equipment
doesn't require that. You know, there's there's so much new
technology that makes up for that. And if there's any
one thing I can think of, this destructive thing in
the field, you know, it's too long of a draw
in a bowl. Any any misconceptions or things like that

(55:06):
you want to speak.

Speaker 6 (55:07):
Too, well, I think the biggest thing, guys, is this
the simplest way to say it is the bow for
you is the bow you shoot the best, and the
bowl that's going to be the bowl to fit you.

Speaker 7 (55:19):
And you know, I.

Speaker 6 (55:20):
Think that's the biggest misconception is that you can just
pick up any bowl and shoot it. It's just tough, right,
and tough to get people to get that because they
can find them cheaper out of the yard sale and
well I can shoot this.

Speaker 7 (55:34):
Well, they end.

Speaker 6 (55:35):
Up getting disappointed and it causes a lot to end
up leaving the sport because they weren't successful.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Yes, sir, anything else that comes to your mind, Scott.

Speaker 5 (55:48):
Well, I was just going to say over the years.
This is more on the mail side of things. I've
just watched so many people struggle with their poundage in their.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
Way when it comes to hunting.

Speaker 5 (56:01):
You know me personally, you go to the draw length
thing and you go to the poundage thing.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
Todd and I have.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
Talked off air a lot about how mobile style hunting,
especially out of a saddle. I think there's a huge
advantage of dropping your bow weight off about ten pounds.
I do tend to run anywhere's from a quarter of
an inch sometimes to a half inch short, and my

(56:30):
in my draw length because my summertime shoes and shorts
and T shirt are not necessarily the same as my
fall safety harness and fleece jacket, and those things come
to playing a lot of times. The shot angle and
how you shoot out a deer stand versus just shooting
flat on your feet.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
You know my bow.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
If I was going to go out west, for example,
I would set up a bowl to go out.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
On a Western hunt.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
But for tree stand hunting, ground hunting, hunting out of
a blind, any of the mobile style hunts in the
state of Kentucky or Tennessee or wherever I'm at, I'm
going to set it up to where my poundage is manageable,
my draw link doesn't get me in trouble, especially with
clothes on or layers on. And I'm going to make

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sure that my equipment and something that.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
I respect out of Todd too, is I.

Speaker 5 (57:26):
Want to have the best equipment that I can have,
but I also want to have things that are going
to keep it pretty simple and basic in the field.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
And that's you.

Speaker 5 (57:36):
Know, there's certain rests that are better, there's certain sites
that are better, and then there's just certain things that
are better whenever you're going to war, you know, and
to me, when you go into the field to deer hunt,
or you're going into the field with archery equipment, I
want to make sure that I'm not worried about things
rusting up or not working or breaking, or I don't

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want to be delicate with my equipment getting in and
out of a boat, up and.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
Down out of the tree.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
But that kind of leads us into the next question
I've got for you, Todd, and that is, if we
can get past the broadhead debates and we can get
past the poundage that people need to draw when it
comes to traditional archery and crossbow hunting compound boats. Over

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the years from running your shop and being around so
many different people, what drills or practice techniques have you
seen amongst your hunters that have made them better archers
and get ready you know, for season and see success
in their shot recovery, their arrow and their boat, you know,

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hitting where they're wanting to go. You know, how can
we up to people are listening go through a drill
at home or stopping by the shop to to make
themselves better.

Speaker 6 (59:01):
Definitely, definitely, And that's that's a solid question going in,
especially this time of year. You know, I think the
biggest thing that I will say outright is don't put
that bowl away for the season, you know, And I
think a lot of folks think our season is September
through January. There's so many other more opportunities, whether it
be turkey hunting in the spring, or or or frog gigging,

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or whatever the case may be. Just target shooting in general,
keep the bow out and keep active. But I think
as you go, you know a lot of folks that
I that I work with daily have either had shoulder
injuries or back injuries, or they've had problems over the
over time, or just simply they're like myself and they're aging.

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Use these restriction bands that are available, you know, Amazon
carries and I carry them in the shop.

Speaker 7 (59:51):
Work through your form drills, you know, a.

Speaker 6 (59:53):
Couple times a day, no different than a than a
basketball player will hit the weight room or will run
his laps, you know, keep yourself in shape.

Speaker 7 (01:00:01):
And then as it closes into season.

Speaker 6 (01:00:04):
You know, if you're a saddle hunter, climb up in
that tree in the yard, in that saddle and work,
work and learn to negotiate the saddle and to make
sure that your weak side and strong side shots are
both equally available. You know, we owe it to the
game that we pursue. I think to really test ourselves.
You know, it's not as much just our equipment, but

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ourselves and our mental ability. If you're prepared and you've
made that shot, you know, fifty times in the last week,
you're more apt to make that shot when the time counts.
And I'll tell a lot of the folks that come
in the shop, simply keep your bow by the back
door and keep a three D target in the yard.

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Go out in the morning and make that one shot
before you leave for work. Make that that one shot
one harvest style shot every morning and practice that situation
and do it, you know.

Speaker 7 (01:00:58):
Do all this stuff as we closer with the gear
you're going to use.

Speaker 6 (01:01:02):
You know, always whether it's a vinyl harness, I've seen
vinyl harness have rob so many people of their harvest
because they got in the way and they weren't used
to shooting with it. So, you know, I think that's
the big things that keep you keep yourself just mentally
prepared for it and as always try to keep our
bodies as well in shape as we can, you know,

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to be able to do it. But you know, lastly,
I want to touch on something that you brought up
earlier with the poundage a little bit Scott too. You know,
as I've aged, my poundage has dropped down, but I've
dropped it down because I know.

Speaker 7 (01:01:37):
With that I can make those ethical shots.

Speaker 6 (01:01:41):
I can better get into my form, I can I
can more app to maneuver the sidle or the stand
that I'm in without being detected.

Speaker 7 (01:01:51):
You know, So.

Speaker 6 (01:01:53):
Overbowing a bit is a big loss in our community.
And I think there's so many people that either a
injured themselves or or or have bad shots because they're overbowed.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
Yeah, get your equipment in good shape is important. Keeping
yourself in shape is important as well.

Speaker 5 (01:02:11):
Too, because if you don't have your energy and your
strength and that that and a loan can take away
from your just momentum to even get out and.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
Scout or to get out and shoot a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:02:24):
And when it comes to lifting weights or keeping our
weight down, no one's trying to, you know, compete in
any type of bodybuilding contests, and nothing against folks that do,
but it is important that we keep our strength and
we keep our weight and check for many reasons getting

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in and out of these trees stands.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Just the ability to scout, the ability to shoot our bow.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
And it's uh.

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
I can always tell me personally as far as whenever
I've got my diet and my exercise and check that
my archery gain tends to go up as we will.

Speaker 8 (01:03:01):
Definitelyid Todd, you touched on something that I want to
return to you here real quick, if you don't mind,
because I've been a fanatic about that one shot of
mentality you were talking about that is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
So important because that's what you're going to get in
the field, which is obvious, but it also puts a
little pressure on you and nothing to creates more pressure
than a big buck or or just a you know
adult for a lot of us, you know, adults send
us in the heart rhythms that are off the Richter's
grit scale. And you got to learn to deal with that.

(01:03:39):
And one of the best ways is what you mentioned.
I want to take it a step further. There's nothing
more fun or challenging than practicing with three D targets
with a friend and each of you challenging yourself to
make one shot from the angle that you choose for

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them to do so, whether it be quartered away, broadside,
you know, whatever the case may be. Those type of
challenges helps develop the confidence that a Larry Bird in
basketball or any of the great football quarterbacks know that
they have to do with the pressure. How do they
do it because they've done it thousands and thousands of

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times and they've got to in front of a coach
do it on demand.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
And I think that's what you're you're talking about here.
It's exactly that way. I've said this all along.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
If you've got to think about what you need to
do when the animal shows up, you'll probably beat automatically.
It's got to be automatic. It's got to be a
repetitive muscle memory situation, and it's got to be I
can do this. All I got to do is hit
that just like I hit that target.

Speaker 6 (01:04:56):
Yes, yes, one hundred percent. I mean I tell folks
when they come in this sh ap a lot, Jim.
You know our bows. If we take those bows and
we we set them up and seen them right, and
we put them in a box, they're gonna shoot the
same era in the end of the other era, over
and over and over again. The one thing that changes
that is the introduction of meat.

Speaker 7 (01:05:15):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:05:16):
So if I don't practice, my boat can be perfect.
But if I don't go out there and put that
time in and put my pressure on myself, I'm not
gonna make that shot.

Speaker 7 (01:05:24):
You're exactly right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Yes, sir, All right, let me go to a quick
break here, folks coming back, we'll talk more. Actually, todd
Ywry from Op Supply we'll be back right after. This
break is presented by SMI Marine. They do great work
over there. They can help you with your electronics, they
can troubleshoot your boat. They got all kinds of great
boats for sale and some great deals on used boats.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
Go see them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
You will never get soaked by my friends at SMI.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
God, it may be a little bit late.

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
I don't want to bash the ATA, but for years
a lot of folks have thought that there needs to
be a really good archery show that's open to the
general public.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
And I would like for you to tell folks a
little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
About some of the changes that they're going to see
this year when it comes to the general public being
able to attend the ATA show, and how that may
be helpful for you as a shop manager to kind
of see the response of the general public as they
go and test out all the new gear and product
at the show.

Speaker 6 (01:06:32):
Wow, they've changed it up or right smart that finally,
I think with ATA have listened to the outcry. They're
going to be opening it up the last couple of
days there where the general public will be able to
go in. That will also include the Rushmore rumble They're
at the boat shoot that will be going on also
at the same time, So it should open the doors

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for a lot of the general public to get to
see the new products, both hunting and on the target
side of things as well. I hope that it will
bring questions about and people will get to see the
things that we have seen over the last couple of years,
and I hope they'll voice their opinions to the vendors,
you know, on what they're wanting to see, because I

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think I'm a little concerned that our archery world is
starting to turn more toward the vendor versus the consumer,
and I think it's time that a lot of times
the consumers needs to be hurt a little bit more
on what our hunters are needing in the field versus
you know, what the next thing out of the bow
market's going to be, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
And as folks move through their vacation and their timing,
the ATA show this year is going to be January
the seventh and eighth up at Indiana Convention Center in Indianapolis.
So if folks are really wanting to get out there
and kind of get a jump on what's offered and
see the scope and the size of the art tree industry.

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And this is both with competitive archery hunting all of it.
I mean, there's not a better place for folks to
be exposed. And they'll get to shoot bows, todd and
crossbows and talk with all the manufacturers and reps and
and then eventually come to your shop and say, hey,
I tried this at the ATA show and I want

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to buy it, or hey I want to I want
to you know, shoot it again.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:08:26):
Yeah, it's it's essentially it's a buffet for for the hunter.

Speaker 7 (01:08:30):
I mean, you can go and get all you want,
you know.

Speaker 6 (01:08:34):
I think it's important though, too that we throw out
there that the vendors aren't going to sell product there
for the general consumer. But it is, like you said,
a place where you can come back and say I
need this.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:45):
Jim, with your past experience running your show many years
ago and what it brought to the economy of Kentucky,
what's some of your feedback of house shows like the
ATA and and these other vendor type events where the
retailers and the consumers and everything come together. Why does

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that benefit society more than just the economic stimulus.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
That's an easy thing for me to answer. And the
reason it's so easy is because iran a consumer show.
As you know, for seventeen years, it was a Jim
straight Or hunting.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
And fishing show.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
And obviously because I'm so passionate about archery, that was
a big part of my hunting and fishing ex bowl,
and what I found out very quickly was people's ability
to see a lot of product that might not be
available in some shops, certainly not in the box stores
for example.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
That was a really big thing. And the feedback I
always got was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
It's great to be able to rub shoulders with people
who are like minded. And a show like Ata Todd,
I mean, good grief, there'll be celebrity people there, They'll
be all the innovatives an archery.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
You'll be able to talk to folks who develop the bows.
They should have done that a long time ago.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
I'm not harping at them, but it was strictly a
dealer show and that's not really doing them any favors.
And I'm glad they realize that you're closing thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Well.

Speaker 6 (01:10:21):
I just I hope people will get out and support
it this year. Go up and see the stuff, do
the things, and as far as products go, if there's
something you're looking for, come out and see us at
ops what we will do our best to accommodate and
help you to find what you're looking for. But you know,
get out and support your local shops, your local clubs,

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these guys need your support.

Speaker 7 (01:10:45):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:10:46):
It's a lot of times easier to push a button
on the internet, but I promise you you won't get
the customer service you will in a shop.

Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
Absolutely, And from Jim and myself Todd, condolences for your
loss and what mentors and coaches mean in the world
of archery.

Speaker 7 (01:11:05):
Yes, sir, yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
I uh, I want to close. Tell people where they
can go to learn more about you on Facebook and
social media.

Speaker 6 (01:11:16):
Please, we're punching off supply pro archery there on Facebook.
We keep a pretty active time there myself as well.
On Facebook, they can reach out to me directly as
far as the shop goes. We're at eight twenty Buck
Creek Road in Simpsonville. Uh. The number out there is
five O two three two one seven three four one,

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and we'll be definitely glad to see you and helping
any way we can.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
I'll give that number. Give them slowly, please.

Speaker 7 (01:11:43):
All right. It's five zero two three two one seven
three four one.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Very good.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Thanks so much for spending your time, your wealth of
information and a great coach. And hat's off to you
for that, all right, folks, It's a