8-2-25 - ,Guest Jeremy Tate and Tad Ladd

Tonight's featured guest, Jeremy Tate with Deer:30 and Tad Ladd West KY White Tails Outfitting business talks deer nutrition, food plots, scouting and stand placements through the season.

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 2 (01:00):
Good evening everyone, Jem Straighter here, Welcome aboard the gem Strator.
Outdoors and Scott, we got another great program lined up
for everybody. Tonight. We got Jeremy Tate with Deer thirty,
who's also the owner of an outfit er business here
in Kentucky on with us and we're gonna talk about
all aspects of deer hunting tonight. And Jeremy is a

(01:24):
lifelong deer hunter. He was fortunate enough to be talked
by his grandfather and his dad. And the unique thing
about this is he not only is a serious hunter himself,
but he's serious about his outfitting. He's very serious about
food plotting. And so we're gonna cover all that stuff tonight.
And I know, Scott, you're really really excited too.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Well, that's gonna be great. Jeremy Tate is not just
a good deer hunter. He can relate to the average person.
And Jeremy Tate is a type of individual that I
can relate to on his character because he's the same
person today after years of knowning as the very first
time that I'm meeting and bought and purchased some Deer

(02:10):
thirty product that I've had quite a bit of success with.
And Jeremy's been able to travel around the country and
interact with Hunter's Jim, and with his involvement and ownership
now being engaged with a white tail deer hunting service
and having some turkey hunters and stuff in, it's important

(02:30):
that folks like Jeremy get on the air and the
listeners can understand that there's a lot of things out
there that are more than just gear and gimmicks. There
are consistent tactics and ways in which they can become
a better hunter and a better land manager. And that's
what Jeremy's going to be able to bring to us today.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yes, sir, we're going to talk kind of around the seasons,
and we're of course pointing at the opener, so just
a whole lot of ground to cover. I'm gonna go
ahead and do break here so we can let Jeremy
introduce himself and kind of give his background and why
he's so passionate about whitetail deer honey. So, without further ado,

(03:09):
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(03:29):
Jeremy take welcome on board. Buddy. It's a delight to
meet you. We got a lot of mutual friends. Obviously,
Scott's known you for years. But what's important to me
is your passion for deer honey and your knowledge about it.
And folks on Jim Straighter Outdoors, we promoted the factor.
We have Jeremy on the night and I'm delighted he's

(03:50):
took time out of a very, very busy season to
join us. So Buddy, tell people a little bit about
yourself and his beer hunting career and how you.

Speaker 4 (03:59):
Got Yes, sir, I appreciate the opportunity. It's been beautiful here.
We've been getting a lot of work done on the
outfitter side. So as you all mentioned, appreciate the kind words.
How I got into hunting was not really a choice.
It's just what you do as a young man in Kentucky.

(04:22):
Grew up in western Kentucky. My granddad the picture you
shared online that was of my granddad. That was his
nineteen sixty three state record archery kill with the I
don't think it was a Matthew's lift back then, I
thank you. That's racking, I know was it was probably

(04:42):
a browning reecurve. But so my folks are from the
Richmond area originally, and then worked took dad to western
Kentucky and he actually worked for fish and wildlife. He
and mom spent a couple of summers at Camp Curry
and he was a conservation officer in the schools and

(05:03):
would go around and promote conservation and so that was it. It
was just kind of it was kind of what you did.
You got some free time and went and caught some
bluegill and Scott. You'll appreciate this. I spent probably close
to as many hours on Peabody as you have. So

(05:24):
it's just I mean, it's forty thousand acres of public
land for fifteen dollars permit, right, and it's you know,
from Madisonville where I grew up, it's ten minutes out
in the country. So definitely thankful for that opportunity to
have that much land to just explore and learn on.

(05:48):
So I grew up doing that with my dad and
my granddad. He'd come down and, like I was telling
you earlier, before we came on, you know, they'd haul
campers down and have that traditional deer camp and I
remember sitting in dad's lap and eating deer jerky and
just thinking you're on top of the world, you know,
five six years old. So for me, that tradition, you know,

(06:13):
fathers teaching sons, that's just that's that's just as much
hunting as as shooting something to me, even more so, honestly,
and just the values that you pick up along the way.
I think that's probably what has shaped my path in
this quote unquote industry is just you know, people say

(06:36):
deer hunting is a year round thing, and I think
I can definitely vouch for that. It's just, I mean,
there aren't there aren't any off days, whether it's you know,
prepping for next year, or reviewing what went right and
what went wrong this year, or just simply bush hogging.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Well, needless to say, having hundred public grounds for all
those formative views that really taught you how to scout
your behavior, pinch points, all those things. We're going to
get into absolutely here a little later in the program.
But that's, uh, that's irreplaceable knowledge, especially when you have
a mentor like you had your granddaddy and.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
Your father absolutely and yeah, as we spoke about the
technology changes, Yeah, my dad wasn't a big believer in
trail cameras. So you just went out there and found
some sign and got after it. And uh so, I
don't know what what direction you're wanting to go right
the second, but I will I will say to that

(07:41):
point on the on the gear, on the technology, it
is the things that we did. I'm telling on myself
a little bit my age, But there were there weren't
lifelines and and all this safety equipment. And I will
say that that's one thing that I would encourage everyone

(08:04):
this year to take seriously is just where that harness.
I mean, any any every second. The cheapest tree stands
come with a free one. You know, we're partnered with
Hunter Safety Systems. Jerry and his crew are fantastic guys,
and they've got in their booth they've got all these
letters that people have sent in and they've got quotes

(08:25):
from them. Your hardness saved my life, and it is
it can happen that quick, and a lot of people
don't think about it when you're out this time of
year hanging that stand like I it was good last year.
But that's that's my safety plug so well.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
And it's very very appropriate because I've got a lot
of friends that are crippled and what have you from
back in the day, and it's horrible, it's really horrible.
Tell us about your first dear, and then maybe how
your honey has evolved since its first year.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
All right, that's easy. Hunting in Hanson, Kentucky with my dad.
It was a youth weekend and I was sitting on
a bucket and I was probably not paying as good
of attention as I should have been at ten or
eleven years old whatever, But I remember there was a

(09:22):
large eight pointer still to this day. And this wasn't
just me being a kid. It's one of the biggest
ades I've seen on the hoof. And he saw me
way before I saw him, and he just absolutely froze up,
and of course I blew it. He ran off, and
later that you know, of course, I was a little rattled.

(09:42):
Later that evening, right at last light, I shot one
facing me right right in the chest, and of course
you didn't have binoculars or anything is iron sights and
go over there, and I thought I just shot a
door that was gonna be my constant lation prize, And
it was just a little dank seven pointer, but still

(10:04):
got him.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Litter Fire didn't.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
That's it. That's it. But I will say that eight
pointer still haunts me a little bit.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, I couldn't have.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
I shouldn't have been on a red bucket. It should
have been a chemo bucket. I think, thank you song.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
All right? Uh, did you grow up small game Honting
as well?

Speaker 4 (10:22):
I did so. Squirrels that same little block of woods
that Dad took me on. Squirrels were the first quarry
we ever went after. So I think, you know, I
think that's pretty natural progression small game to big game.
But I will say I think as we spoke about
and your big squirrel dog guides, it might not be

(10:46):
as much anymore.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah. I will get into some of the why part
of that, sure, you know why. That's some of those
traditions are unfortunately getting by the wayside, which is a shame.
But we'll talk about that here a little later in
a program. So your passion for deer in particular led
you into the industry. Tell people a little bit about

(11:11):
that and why you were compelled to make that pluge
Because it's a big commitment.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Sure, yep. So the year was twenty sixteen. I was
working a lot at a factory at the time, and
I was standing in line holding a competitor's product, and
there was a bunch of people in line in front
of us. Being a coworker that we founded the business
back then together, but we were standing there holding it

(11:40):
and just kind of joking about what was in it,
and all these people in line in front of us,
and I said, well, shoot, wedn't go to Kroger and
just get some table salt and save the you know,
hop out of line.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
So we did.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
We put our stuff down and it went. You know,
we were working a bunch of knights at the time
and just started kicking some ideas around at work. We
were just going to make our little homemade batch. And
you know, growing up in western Kentucky, you know, you
worked on farms and you were around cattle, and so
you know, people people kind of had their little cattle

(12:14):
mineral recipes and had some amish recipes and you know
qdma's got stuff on their website, and so we kind
of kind of threw a few ingredients together and about
batch too. We had something that we were kind of
happy with. And this was just for us. I mean
I got on Amazon and ordered some heat seiler and

(12:37):
some little bags and just sealed it up so it
wouldn't get moisture in it, just for us. And then
you know, we're talking about it at work and a
couple of guys said, let me try some of it.
And of course, you know back then, shark tank was
real big, and everybody's like, oh man, you know, I said, dude,
we were just we thought we made a big batch.
It was two hundred and fifty pounds. But that's nothing

(12:59):
but long story short. Like most businesses that start in
your garage and you know, or your kitchen whatever, that's
that was it. And from there got in a few
local archery shops and some guys really helped us out
back home, just getting it out there and put a
little branding to it. You know, obviously applied for the

(13:20):
paperwork with the state and everything, and then fall rolled around.
It was like, well, shoot, we need a we need
a protein product too. You know, we got this mineral
that's a year round tool, but we probably need something
like a big and J or something like that. So
put together a little sweet attractant for the fall, kind

(13:40):
of a protein based feed with soybean and corn, and
we called that clock stopper, and off we went.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Well, we'll get into what makes your products different after
the break. But uh, I want to point out, and
this is important, folks, this is a Kentucky based company.
And I'm not a bit bashful about saying, if you can,
you ought to do business with local folks.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
And you are not some little hole in the wall
anymore about any stretch of anybody's imagination. You're also part
order in an outfitting business with a gentleman that I
hear nothing but great comments about Tad Ladd. He happens
to be a high school buddy of one of my
closest friends in the world. Is funny how these circles. Absolutely,

(14:30):
it don't happen as a gentleman that Scott you've for
me talk a lot about George Pettitt is really good
friends with Tad. Tell folks a little bit about that,
because that was another passion for you helping other people
hard here it was.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
It was fortuitous and a lot of credit to Tad
to your point you just made We met him at
a trade show at the n WTF, probably the second
year we're in business, and just wanted to go over
and say how and UH introduced myself since he was
very local to us, and he had a bucket of
Lucky buck sitting on the table, and I knew it

(15:08):
was gonna be a little bit of an uphill climb,
but I said, you know, if you ever want to
switch over, I said, I'll give you some free samples.
And I figured it was just going to kind of
get a you know, pat on the back, and I thinks,
and he said, shoot, I'd much rather work with somebody local,
and and he said I'll try it. He said, it's
a deer like it I'm in. And so there you go.
But from that, you know, I got to hanging out

(15:30):
down there. Would take would take some you know, take
him a load of stuff and go put it out
with him, see some of the farms, and and then
Tad's real good about finding you something to do if
you look like you're not busy. So a good man,
that's right. So I got to hang in some stands
with him and and you know, learning some of the farms,

(15:52):
and and just I thought the whole thing was neat
he'd have some guests in camp and I'd go down,
hang out around the fire and just really like the atmosphere.
A great group of guys. And then he had a
few openings, a few guys, a few guides left, and
he needed some help. One year he said, man, just
get me through this velvet hunt. He said, I just

(16:14):
need you for this one weekend. And that was about
five years ago and I'm still there, so but I
love it. We've got a lot of repeat customers, clients,
and everybody throws the word family around, but they really are,
you know, after a few years with some of these guys,
I mean, we go on vacations and see people down

(16:34):
south that kind of you know, trade trips out and
just great great folks. And if you've ever been in
that true hunting camp atmosphere, you can appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
And I know, obviously you have, Jeremy, the important thing
I'd like to impart there is and it's one of
the big reasons we wanted you on the show tonight,
especially with the insight that Scott provided to me. You
put up hundreds and hundreds of stands and or managed
that each year. But you're also into the food plots

(17:04):
on thousands of acres, So we're going to pick your
brain about that, because food plots big things. Our listenership
and stand placement is you can always learn something from
somebody that's done a lot of it, and you, my man,
have done a ton of it. That's why we're really
excited about having you on. And I want to talk

(17:26):
to after break about the importance of mineral to deer,
the importance of supplemental feed to deer. Scott and I
are very passionate about that. We've done a lot of
programs about it. There's a lot of misconceptions about food
and deer, specifically CWD for example, And we're going to

(17:47):
talk about your thoughts about the best way to feed,
the best times a year to feed. We got a
lot of groundcover.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
It's a hot button issue right now.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Well it really is. I want to give a little
plug here to the Department of this while I for
finally deciding to move off the baiting band because it
was contentious and the science just didn't support it, and
they bit the bullet. Now they're going to allow it again,
and then hats off to them for that. I think
they deserve some kudos.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
There absolutely some big talks there.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yes, sir, all right, folks, we're gonna go to break here.
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(18:38):
at mp h Rtrealty dot com. Jeremy, I think we
all know during this modern era how important minerals are
to do, especially they have access to him on a
year round basis. That was one reason that broke my
heart to see the band on mineral because they need it.

(19:01):
It helps some board off disease, insects, et cetera. All
the things that you know about. But I'd like you
to talk about through your outfitting side of the business,
where you were obviously trying to grow big deer and
through your company, the importance of minerals and feed to deer. Sure,

(19:23):
because I don't think it can be over emphasized personally.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
Sure, And that's you know, like we spoke about a
little bit. This is kind of that crunch time where
everybody goes, oh crap, it's after fourth of July. It's
it's time to get serious about deer and and that's fine.
I mean it's it's never too late. But the mineral itself,
not just because I have a company that sells it,

(19:48):
but that is that is a truly year round program.
So it's not a not a miracle drug. It's a
tool in your tool belt. But if you take a
deer's antler off its head and do it core sample
of it, it's there's a roughly two to one ratio
of calcium dephosphorus, and it's it's a bone, right, So

(20:08):
that ideal blend is has that two to one ratio
of calcium dephosphorus. But the main thing that, like I
said from the original story, how we got into it
was I was just tired of what I was buying
was super high salt. Deer love it. It's hot. You know,
they're like us when we were sitting here drinking power aiding.

(20:32):
You know, they need all that electrolyte salt whatever. But
that's the cheapest ingredient in any mix. So a lot
of the stuff out there is very very high salt
content and and not to not to downplay or you know,
say people out to know better or whatever. But but
I think if you're not in the know, you just

(20:54):
don't know. You're you're ignorant to the fact that people
will say, well, I put out trace minerals. Well, it's
because there's a trace amount of mineral. It's ninety nine
point two percent salt, right if you flip the background.
So that's the main thing that that sets us apart.
That got me into all this was just backing that
salt down to a reasonable level. We're in the forties,

(21:15):
like forty six percent. It's enough attraction there to bring
them in, but you're leaving room in the formula for
what actually makes up their antler and what they're going
to grow.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
So, well, what sets you offs apart, because there's a
lot of companies out there, what's what what's your passion
about your product that you feel makes it shine?

Speaker 4 (21:39):
Yeah, So that that's it is simplifying that formula down
and not necessarily taking the cheap route that that's going
to be the most profit. But bringing that salt down
to a reasonable level. That's literally half of what a
lot of what it is out there is in the nineties.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
And so your other ingredients.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
Not are actual minerals. Yes, yeah, so calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, manganese, cobalt, iron,
the things that are actually in that bone that you
know the deer is gonna pull from its internal system.
It's just you're just replenishing of that. And it's like
if you or I went and worked out five days

(22:21):
in a row and then just eight French fries on
the way home every day, it's just don't work out. Well,
it ain't gonna be good. But so again, tool in
your tool belt. Combine that with we're blessed to live
in a state that has tons of cross We've got

(22:41):
a lot of soybeans, so there's that protein form. But
give them every available There's a lot of things out
there trying to kill and a deer not just us,
and turkeys as well, so give them, give them a
fair shake, them a fighting chance to become. They're not
all going to turn out to be one hundred and

(23:03):
eighty ins deer. It's genetics play a huge.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Role in that.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
But giving them that chance, giving them every opportunity to
become what you would want to put on the wall
or what you would want your kid to shoot is
that's all you're doing.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
And in terms of food, I've spoke the supplement of
food and on the aspect of year round mineral The
reason that's so important is for folks to think about
because too many folks are lazy. They just like you said,
they don't think about nonimal till it's time for hunt
season approaching. But it's super important for bucks and dolls

(23:42):
after the rut and coming through winter to have mental
supplements so that the meager amounts of food that are
available that they ingest are maximized and the gut healthy.
You know, the bowel's working the way it should.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Absolutely and that dough is starting to grow upon a
lot of times too where you see tons of twins,
so it's every bit is more taxing on her than
it is the buck. But he's run around chasing her
for yep.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
And then obviously post rut through the winter, ducks they
have a tough time through your business, you know, the attrition, Yeah,
I mean.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
It's crazy, so we reckon, you know, we reckon. You
can definitely scale it down that time of year, you know,
just dump a coffee can out or you know, one
of the small bags spring and summer, ramp it up.
We've got guys that will put a whole fifty pound
bag out and you can, you know, park your truck
in the crater that they've made. But that along with

(24:43):
supplemental feed through that winter, get them, get them some protein,
get them back up. Like you said, Oh, they got
some woody brows that time of year. Yes, and it's
it's tough.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
And you're so talk a little bit about your supplemental feed. Yep.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
So we that granular product I talked about earlier that
we called clock stopper. We turned that into a pellet.
It's an extruded pellet. It looks like what you had
put in your trigger grill or your pit boss, but
you know there's a molasses element to it. Corn, soybeans.

(25:18):
It's just it's perfect out of a gravity feeder. Throw
some corn in with it. We recommend fifty to fifty.
It keep your costs down and it kind of promotes
airflow through that feeder, so it just doesn't sit there
and sweat. Okay, because you've got two different sized particles
in there, right, Yes, So push the protein. Like I said,

(25:40):
if you especially if you don't have crop on your phone.
If you don't have soybeans, give them give them some protein.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yes, sir, what have you seen through the years about
how to develop with and without the middle men? Obviously
it's a it's a big difference. I mean for folks
that I've never seen, but with the thousands of acres
that you guys manage. Put it in a perspective where

(26:10):
people can understand.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
Yeah, I think, like I said, they're gonna they're gonna
grow a rack even if they're extremely malnourished. When they
have everything they need and you've given them the best
chance they can. You're going to develop the mass, You're
going to develop the stickers and kickers, and you know,
just give them some age. First of all, you've got
to let them go, yes, sir. But if you're doing

(26:34):
all those things and you're having normal weather years and
you're giving them every chance to grow, they're going to
be the best version of.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
What that they could be. Yes, yep. Well that's uh,
that's definitely easy enough to understand. You've got some other
products out here, and uh, this is your chance to
talk about them a little bit.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
Yeah, let's into food plots a little bit. It's definitely
that time of year, a lot of people are getting
out and spraying their plots. You know, they're they're bushhogging.
Everything's wooly and growing up from the weather we've had.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
So this is.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
From now till you know, right around Labor Day for
this portion of the country is when you see a
lot of tractors on trailers going down the road and
everybody's doing their hobby farming for the fall plots. But
I would just encourage with that. We get a lot
of questions through the website and on some of the
pages of you know, do you offer a throw and grow,

(27:42):
And I think I'd encourage people to just do a
little bit of reach. There's so much information out there.
Just do a little bit of research and don't I
don't care if it's a place you can only get
into on an e bike or you've got to walk in.
Don't expect to just pitch out some seed and hope

(28:03):
for the best because it's by a creek and you've
got some good looking dirt. Do that soil test. It's
so easy. There's dozens of companies that what your extension office,
just get that soil test, and they make it so easy. Nowadays,
they'll tell you at the bottom you need one ton
of line per acre to bring your pH up where
it needs to be. And that's so important. But a

(28:27):
lot of those, a lot of those throw and grow
mixes are rye and people think it's cereal rye or
they think it's you know, like a winter week type
of a head that you're going to get, and it's
it's like what you put out on a bear spot
in your lawn. It's an annual rye grass. So it pops.
You go back a week later and you go, man
that you know, my food plot's popping up, and it's

(28:48):
just a thin rye grass. It's it's green, but that's
about it. It's not been a whole lot for the deer.
So I would just encourage everybody, you know, in these
next thirty days, pull that soil test, see where you're at,
get your line and fertilizer down and do that front
end work and that's going to pay off in the
long run, and you're not gonna have wasted a bunch

(29:09):
of money on seed and diesel fuel and all your prep.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Get your dirt right, absolutely, so your your products in
that particular arena.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
Yes, sir, so for this time of year. We've got
a blend we call rugged Ratish that it's got a
little bit of a clover base to it, but obviously
you've got Dikon radishes and some sugar beets in there.
That's something you can hunt. You're going to be bow
hunting over in October, as opposed to like a purple
top turnout, which we also have a late season Braska

(29:42):
mix that we call last Call.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
But.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
Typically you have to get that hard freeze or a
hard frost to change that flavor profile.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
So the sugar beets do not require that, so you
could actually use that as a kill plot in October
November rather than waiting for that late season weather where
we're at climate wise to change like what you would
have to wait for on the turn it.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Okay, let me go in to break here. Coming back
from break, we're going to get into your thoughts about plotting,
and we're definitely going to talk about staying placement and
all that kind of stuff, because if you're into that
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(30:54):
is obviously a big part of it. Talk a little
bit about your thoughts about that and the importance of them.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
Sure, so I would say, uh, big fan of clover
first of all, high protein. You know we've talked about that.
We've got fifty to sixty this year. Tad's done a
great job of getting alfalfa established. It can be a
little finicky, got some great looking alfalfa. Obviously the moisture

(31:23):
this year has helped. But from a maintenance standpoint, on
your clover, if you can get it, if you can
just get a tractor back there, you know, keep that
in mind as you're as you're putting these plots in,
but mowed a few times a year and just get
some cloth of them and some butter rack on it. Really, clover,

(31:46):
pound for pound is the lowest maintenance, but big fan
of the alfalfa. If you have the ability to do that,
that's worth a look to, you know, by the round
up ready, spend a little extra on that and you know,
just keeping them. There's a fine line between something that
looks good on a post and something that a deer

(32:08):
is going to utilize. You know, these things don't have
to be completely weed free, right, you know, it's what
looks good to us versus what they're gonna use. It's
like a doe field. I've I've shot some doves in
some ugly looking fields. Yes, suh, they'll eat the weed
seeds and everything else. But from a maintenance standpoint, clover

(32:29):
and alfalfa, anything that you can get some chemical on
and get a good mowing on is going to help
you tremendously on your.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Starter plots that you put in. What is your advice
to people on maintenance? A lot of people mow too
low to the ground for one thing, Sure, they eliminate
too much leaf, which is what gives the planet sus us.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
Yeah, so six to eight inches on clover is recommended.
You know, it's easy to say, try to mow before
a rain and then you know, you get out there
when you can get out there. But this year it
rains every two days, so it doesn't really matter, right,
But but now, just yeah, I keep that in mind.

(33:12):
Don't scalp them. You know, in the summertime, you can
burn one up pretty quick. But the clover's pretty hardy.
If you're just getting into food plots, that's a great
place to start, is get a good kill on it.
Or if you're converting, converting like a corner of a
property you've got permission on and it's been pasture, you

(33:36):
know whatever, get a good kill. But if you're starting
early enough in the year. We we always go down
to the NWTF show in Nashville. It's every February. It
seems like it's always around Valentine's weekend. That that's always
just kind of my When we get back from that,
it's like, all right, it's time to go frost see
all these clover plots. That's a great way. You don't

(33:58):
have to have any equipment for anybodyke and frost seed.
You just bundle up and get out there and do
it in that ground. Once it does thall, it just
sucks that seed right in because it's such a small.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yes, sir, Yeah, I'm a huge fan of frost seeding.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Myself very affected.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Do you ever drill anything into your clover? The reason
I'm asking For the past three years, I've been experimenting
a lot with drill and cereal rye as like a
well as a nurse, but more importantly in standing clover
to where as clover dwindles in late December and January,

(34:36):
that cereal rise there for the deer to turn it
into a year round walk a year round and then
in the spring I come in and put the cleft
to them on it. That's the end of the rye
and the clover proliferates. Do you have any thoughts about that?

Speaker 4 (34:50):
I do. That's an effective strategy. I don't personally do
that just for the simple fact that we have a
product we call crowd Pleaser that has that cereal right
in it. But it's also got a crimson clover, so
kind of the same concept. But in the spring will
come back and kill turkeys in that crimson clover plot

(35:12):
makes a pretty pick.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Oh yeah, it does make a pretty picture for sure.
All right, buddy, coming back, we're going to talk about
stand placement strategies, how to scout, what inspires you to
place us stand somewhere and all the other things to
help folks come in on this dear camera placement. We're
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Speaker 3 (35:50):
Jeremy, we hear a lot of different strategies when it
comes to hunting. But with you being in the outfit
or business and getting feedback from customers with mineral and
bait sites and hunting over plots, I've got a really
in depth part of this program that i want to
cover with you, and that is we have the options

(36:12):
of ladder stands, we can use lock on stands. Some
people prefer to use the pop up ground blinds while
other folks are building hard sighted blinds or commercially produced products.
And when you look at a hunter and going through
the early season, when deer really concentrating on food sources

(36:32):
and they start building through that rut, and then we
get into getting back to food sources later in the season.
I think that we can really all benefit from your
knowledge and your experience about the process and not only
how you put your stands and hunting locations out, but

(36:53):
what lets you know that from your past knowledge and experience,
why lock on stand may be better, or where a
ladder stand may be better, to where folks are always
I guess you could say, in the game, and having
opportunity for not only seeing deer but good shot placement,
because that changes a lot between you know, archery and

(37:16):
farm equipment. So from the outfitter's perspective, give us kind
of that three hundred and sixty five day a year
schedule and management plan all the way up to hey,
we've got fresh sign and we need to get a
stand in there now so we can get somebody to
hunt maybe that next morning or that afternoon, to where
we can all become a better white tail hunter.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
Sure, no, that's that's great stuff there. So to kind
of pick that apart a progression through the season, we'll
go through that first and then and then we'll kind
of go style of tree stand next. But as far
as what we're doing, you know what the deer doing

(38:00):
right now. For our opener guys, our velvet guys, we're
going to focus on that same exact summer pattern. You know,
that's not I'm not telling anybody anything. They don't know
they're but you while they're still in velvet, they hadn't
been messed with, they're seeing some tractors come in and out.

(38:21):
Hands down, the highest percentage time of year to kill
a good mature buck is right off the rip, just
because they're gonna do what they've been doing all summer
until that testosterone change, until they go hard horn and
you know, start fighting with each other instead of running.

(38:41):
You know, the bachelor groups are going to be together
for the next month or so, and so you know,
apart from poaching or car hit deer, every buck is
going to be alive on the opener. And you know,
you're obviously decreasing throughout the year as as bucks are
harvest did so for us in a bate state like Kentucky,

(39:07):
we're focusing on those short archery shots. You know, we're
tucked in the woods, or we're in the edge of
a clover plot, or we're in the edge of a
bean field. You know, you're shooting twenty to twenty eight yards,
we're putting deer right in their face. And to another

(39:27):
part of your question, there we're always watching the wind right,
so you've got that time of year, you're predominantly out
of the south. Used to be southwest, but we've had
a lot of southeast and east these last few years,
so we've got around. So say we're talking about one

(39:48):
of those little secluded field edges. You know you're tucked
in the edge of a thicket right off a beanfield.
Say we've got a southwest and a southeast set for that,
and then that are both lock ons. And for example,
you might have something that you would access and hunt

(40:09):
that looks more like a ladder for say that two
day October muzzleloader or even into November gun if you're
you know, if you're looking at a long clover field
that's adjacent to that soybean field. So ninety percent of
our farms, you've got both of those options were partnered

(40:32):
with the company called Maverick Blinds. We've got a bunch
of those out for people that aren't comfortable climbing up
in a tree stand, whether that's age or ability. And
you know you've got you've got kids. I've seen you
had the whole family in a shooting house a couple

(40:52):
of years ago, and that's a great option as well.
So we try to have something for every hunter on
each farm. But that's not to say that each part
of that farm doesn't have its specific tree stand types,
if that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
Yeah, when you all go in and hang your tree stands,
when do you feel is the most optimal time to
get all your tree stand prep work done? And you
have so many different extremes in people. Some people really
feel like if they go in and intrude in an
area that they could absolutely run all the deer off

(41:31):
into the next county. Some folks don't mind going in
and doing a hanging hunt, like right before they hunt
that evening or that morning. What have you all found
as far as just smart, common sense, realistic ways to
go in and use your pole saws, get your stands hung,
you know, whether you walk stands in or take them
into a side by side. What are you seeing Because

(41:54):
you're hanging so many more sets than the average person,
where maybe a person that's hunting on their family farm
may hang one or two you know tree stand locations
or put a ground blind out each year you all
are going in and doing this weeks months, you know,
before season, and there's a lot of maintenance to keeping
shooting lanes open and making sure that people have you know,

(42:17):
good cover, and that winds to your advantage, and you
know that your mass is going to be changing, the
breeding is going to be changing, how deer funneling through places,
whether you're actually going to be hunting that stand later
in the rut, or if it's going to be something
that's just going to be getting deer from food source
to bedding. Kind of explain to us how you go

(42:37):
in and in times of year.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
That you set all those up. No, yeah, absolutely, great question.
So well, first of all, you you've been on an
episode with Hunting Public and you know these Seek one
guys and I mean they're finding deer and they're making
that move and and they're slipping in super silent with
one cameraman, not making a big production out of it,

(43:00):
and they're killing these giant deers. So there's that side
of that, and then there's the side of where we're at.
We're on these farms freshen up feet or freshen up mineral,
or we're going out in bush hog, and you know
they're used to some equipment coming in and out. But
that being said, it's not just Scott cronin hunting that

(43:24):
that stand on his farm for the whole season. So
you know, there might be four people sitting in that
stand throughout the year. And and quite frankly, they're probably
all different skill levels of hunters. One might be more
fidgety than the other. And and honestly, it doesn't take

(43:44):
much to burn out a spot, as you as you
referenced earlier, so got to kind of know who know
your crowd, kind of take that into consideration. And also
just the certain times of year. You know, we we've
got early season spots and nobody sits in them for

(44:08):
the rest of the year, and then we've got rifle setups,
you know, so a lot of that depends on that
food that's nearby. And also as you mentioned, where the
deer betting and where they're going to be coming down
when and sent checking those as we get into mid
to late October and early November.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Uh, it's it probably extremely important as far as understand
on stand from the outfit or business that they make
sure that they're dressed right and or comfortable because it's
the more time on stand, the higher the odds are
them being where they need to be when the deer
where they're supposed to be.

Speaker 4 (44:47):
Yeah, we joke about it. We've got an excellent cook there,
Miss Tina at camp, and we you know, everybody starts
thinking about French toast about nine thirty, especially when it's cold,
and you just gotta, you just gotta hang in there.
That you know that you asked about favorite time. If

(45:09):
I could hunt any time of year, I think it
would be from Halloween to about Venterans Day, you know,
those those ten days or so right before our gun
comes in and I'm sitting all day. And if not,
if I can't sit all day, I'm hunting from ten
to two. But that being said, when you turn a

(45:29):
hobby into a business, you don't have a whole lot
of time to hunt. So I do a lot of
cody hunting and a lot of turkey hunting. I don't
get the deer hunt much, but it's it's fun to
facilitate that and watch other people enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
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(46:04):
you touched on something that I think deserves a lot
of attention to detail, and that is during these seasonal periods.
What tells you I need to have a stand here,
you know, and you're scauting and your your prep and describe,
if you will, for the audience why those places are

(46:25):
so important.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
Sure so obviously, dear slaves of their stomachs. We've talked
about food a lot, so we kind of made it
to September there. We talked about the opener. But when
we transition off of that, what are we doing after that?

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Right?

Speaker 4 (46:43):
You know they're going through a massive change in their testosterone.
They're starting to think about other things.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
But I want you to start with the early season
stand what turns you on there and then take its
for yep.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
So that's all food based, that's it. That has nothing
to do with those It's all food based get yourself,
like I said, off off of crop edge obviously, if
you've got a feeder on that property, if you've got
something that's pulling them to this point but can't stress
enough access, you know, just because you've gotten away with

(47:20):
feeding them all summer doesn't mean you can park your
side beside one hundred yards from the stand and expect
to kill that deer. But super high percentage time of
year to to hunt that type of a setup. I'm
a lock on guy. I know there's a lot of
saddle hunters out there. To me, that's that's the best

(47:42):
move there. Plus, you don't want to sit in a
blind in September in Kentucky it is awful hot. But
I guess is that kind of what you look there?
So yeah, water source keep. A lot of our early
season sets have a creek nearby or a little pondiller yep,

(48:06):
and and that circles back around to the rut because
you got cooler timperatures during the rut. But they're just
running and dogging and they got yes drink, so love
having water nearby. It's a double edged sword though, if
you're doing that early season, you better have a thermocel
running so uh, but from that transition we go into

(48:31):
I might might lose a few followers here, but I
don't believe in the October lowl. I think people are
just hunting the wrong spot and they're not seeing deer.
I think people are still sitting on what they were
sitting on in September, or they're a little too early
with their late October strategy. I think people are just

(48:54):
sitting on the wrong spot. But that being said, when
we have a good acorn cray beer, those deer don't
have to move much right so they can stand up
and eat and lay in the shade. Because attempts are
starting to cool off, and they're not covering that ground
where they had to go to a long, a long
run beanfield that's not by their bedding area, So you're

(49:18):
seeing less deer. Even if you are hunting the right spot.
You might be two ridges over and they're eating acorns
just over the rise and you can't see them. They're
not covering that ground.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
So what would be your number one type of set
for that mid October early tone.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Yeah, so we're just just finding a bunch of white
oaks and then from there looking for that traffic right
hanging a camera and seeing you know exactly what rigs
they're using, if they're bedding, you know, two thirds up
the way that ridge. But again not tramping through everywhere,
just in and out, get some recon get some cameras out,

(49:57):
but get you'll you'll see, you know, if you you'll
see your bait piles getting less and less hit right,
and man, there's nothing like a white oak that time
of year.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
I totally agree. And then you can't overstate the importance
of understanding which white tree is produced to that year
and are how close they are to where they're betting sure,
because that gets tricky. You want to speak to that
a little bit. Yep.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
So with that, cameras are valuable asset for us just
because there's a lot of ground to cover. But it
helps no one. You know what you saw last year
and what deer survived, and and how you can get
in it out of there quietly and try to I

(50:47):
love that first week, the first week of October is
I think it's magic, and especially if you can get
an early cold front. You know, the juries say it
every year, hunt that first old front in October. There's
a ton of truth to that, and We're very fortunate
that we get that two day October muzzleloader and that
our kids can get out and hunt the youth. You know,

(51:11):
that's sometimes it might be eighty five degrees, but you
get those. A good friend of mine that's on. At
least Kevin Durban killed a one hundred and sixty five
and some change, and I mean deer cast was going
off everybody that was twenty twenty one and everybody was
in the woods. I mean it was sixty for high

(51:31):
and low forties at night. That two day muzzlers magical.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Yes, sir, on your muzzleloder sets. Since round this subject,
what would be something you say? Oh, man, well you
got to get a stand here.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
So still still beans that To finish that story with
Kevin's deer, that deer was eating dry beans. You know
there were early beans and it looked like late season ones.
I mean you could hear him crunching it in the video.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
I'll be done.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
So if you're if your beans aren't yellowed and they've
kind of gotten off of them and gone to acorns,
you know they they were. He was back on the
beans that year. But again a lot of that's weather
related for that year. You know what stage or soy
beans are in, because they can be They can produce
in September and they can sure produce in December.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yes, talk then about that magic period from about Halloween
leading up to rupt real quick. There's a big change,
isn't it. Yep?

Speaker 4 (52:33):
And that's that's when you can get away with a
lot more as far as you know, being vocal with
the deer and and getting a little more aggressive. Obviously
they're responding to calling that time of year since done.
You know, two schools of thought on everything, but some

(52:54):
people don't like it. I've personally killed a fantastic eight
pointer and it was an all day set November eighth
on a property I used to have in Henderson and
went in with a scent drag hanging off my belt
and saw a ton of dos that day and some
young bucks. And this dude came cruising through at four

(53:14):
fifteen that afternoon and got off of a dough and
hit a scent drag that I had put out, you know,
eleven hours earlier on my way in and just absolutely
locked up and came straight to me. So that's that's
that time of year that you can you know, it's
not gonna work every time. Obleaque can isn't gonna work
every time. Grunt Tube's not. But that's the time of

(53:37):
year where I like to kind of experiment and see
what they're responding to.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
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Speaker 3 (53:58):
Both of you know me will enough that there's not
a better time of the year for me to shine
as a woodsman, and that's in October. And I absolutely
love killing freshly polished bucks with short hair. They've got
really good weight on their frame, and it's just a

(54:19):
really good time of year to put some red on
the ground.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
If you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
But that wild card to November, we'll talk about that
as it comes along. But Jeremy, you said something that
really triggered a question that I think a lot of
folks will benefit from on the stand placement and as
these deer slaves to their belly, give us some pointers
and techniques on how an outfitter and yourself goes about

(54:44):
the process of finding the quantity and quality of mass
that our acorn trees and per simmons are going to
produce from year after year. Because you are on multiple
farms and you are spending thousands of different acres across
different counties, what do you all do to kind of
get a jump start on figuring out whether or not

(55:07):
a stand needs or doesn't need to go into this
or that acorn flat, or which tree may be one
to capitalize on earlier than others.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Sure, I think probably the hardest place to do that
would be on a first year farm. You know, we're
we're picking up properties and unfortunately we've we've lost properties,
right you know, through family turnover, death or whatever. We're
we've got some that we've been on for years and

(55:38):
some are new. So a lot of that intel, a
lot of that recon doesn't come from us because we're
not sitting in the stands. So that's we we sit
around the breakfast table or we sit around the fire
and we really listen to these guys about what they're seeing.
We take that feedback and we run a lot of

(56:00):
cameras so you know, again we're not out there just
walking through these farms and you know, in between groups
of hunters and putting those boots on the ground. So
a lot of that hunter feedback is very very valuable.
Does that makes sense?

Speaker 2 (56:23):
So year by year mass changes obviously, how do you
key in on that through the use of cameras?

Speaker 4 (56:31):
Yeah, where your dear activity is and again you know
we can see it from the ground, you know, just
you know, before the season comes in. I guess my
point there is not trapesing through the woods. But you're
getting that intel not firsthand, right, you're getting that secondhand.

(56:53):
But year in and year out. You talked about weather
patterns earlier, you talked about rainfall. You know obviously all
that plays in. You've seen some of the crops that
we've gotten after a drought year. You know where the
where they're putting on that true mast right where it's

(57:15):
like biblical and so and that, and you see that
in the deer too that you can tell the year
after that, or like we had the cicadas, we had
a healthy turkey population when they could walk six inches
and eat another cicada.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Yes, so well, if I know he's gonna he's gonna
pick your brain on scrapes and rublines and all of
this betting and all of these transition areas and how
deer moving from point A to point B as that
food source changes, whether it's agriculture, food plots, or mass.
That's where our sign's gonna start showing up when it

(57:55):
comes time to start transitioning the hunting those big deer
and the member.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
Don't you agree, Jim, I.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Absolutely do, And you're right, you're reading my mind because
this man hunts scrapes and he believes in mock scrapes
the same way we do. So we're gonna talk about that.
I'm gonna go to an early break so we've got
enough time to flesh that out. We'll talk about late
season sets as well. So I got to go to break.
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we do need to talk about scrapes and scrape hunting
because that goes into that period where you're toward late

(58:44):
October leading up to the true chase. It's not a
better spot, really, I mean that narrows things way down
because they scraping funnels. They scraping areas where there's a
lot of gold traffic. Sure your thoughts as an out
fitters who's scattered thousands of rakers and seen hundreds of
deer hits the ground, go into that if you will.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
Sure, Yeah, I like, I like a natural approach. There's
a there's a lot of you know, people use hemp
rope or x y Z whatever. Love looking branch. Gotta
have a looking branch. But the you know, a good
grapevine anything like that off a trail. We like to
start with the mockscrape, you know, late September, right around

(59:29):
October one, and then like you said, they do the
rest after that. But it's a fantastic time to shift
a few cameras or hang hang a few new cameras
because that's a that's gonna light up. Yes, sir, you're
gonna get a picture that first night.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Oh yeah, I mean they just I don't know how
they stumble across those things, but they do. And it's
amazing how quickly traffic will build. Uh. Do you all
harvest a significant number of big bucks on your properties
from scrapes? Hats.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
I wouldn't say sitting right over top of one, but
definitely in that area on that travel to and from. Yeah,
that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Well, what I like to do with my mock scrape
number one is put them in an area where I
know I can cheat them on the wind sure, where
I know on the approach, whether it's a creek that
they don't want to cross, whether it's a edge of
a point where the predominant winds going out over the bluff,
whatever the case may be. Those are the kind of
things I like to think about before I set a

(01:00:36):
mock scrape. And what I'm leading to here is you
could create a trap. That's a cool thing about a
mock scrape. You are creating a trap where if that
buck starts utilizing it, it could be church on that
old boy.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
And that's the wild thing is the more traffic it gets,
the more it draws. Yet every individual buck that visits
that site seems like it draws two or three more, Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
Sir, weather, weather fronts, and food and the breeding cycle.
We'll all get deer moving a certain way. And when
you can put all those together with your scrape punting,
it's easy to put a deer on a dime, especially
in non bathing states, public land, and you can pretty

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much at your tree stand however many yards you want to,
So you may be watching a lot of deer. But
if you do get a deer to commit to a strap,
the good thing about it is you know when to
draw back, and you know exactly where he's going, and
a lot of times you can get that great quarter
and away shot.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
That's it. You don't have to pull the range founder out,
that's for sure. I've already shot that spot a bunch time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Yes, sir Jeremy, we touched on something earlier, very lightly.
But give me your in depth thoughts on grunting and Bradley.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
Okay, I think, first off, rattling can be very state
Pacific state specific. I personally haven't had much luck in Kentucky.
I've gotten their attention. I sent them to the next
county a couple of times. But I think, uh, you know,

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obviously that has to do with a property. It's buck
to dough ratio, it's pressure. I'm more of a grunt guy.
I've killed my biggest deer by grunting him out of
a big drainage ditch in Henderson, County. He slipped by
me and got down in this ditch, and I just
threw out a mouth grunt out of desperation, and he

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came back back up out of the ditch. Deer very vocal.
You know, a lot of us are turkey hunters, obviously
would carry a vest full of calls.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
These animals are always talking to each other in the woods.
You just got to be in the woods to hear them,
you know. And it's deer are a lot more vocal
than we probably give him credit for.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Him, I think so, And I want to throw something
in here. I have also spooped some deer rattling, but
as a normal course of events. My thought to it is,
if that buck is not going to commit to me otherwise,
why not rattle or why not grunt? And the reason
I'm bringing that up people tend to be a little

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timid about doing that. You're not gonna he's not gonna
never return to that area because he rattled at him.
He's not gonna say, oh, there was a hunter over there. Sure,
he's probably boogering off of you because he thinks too
dear better than him, or going at it, and he
don't want to get his butt kicked.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
Sure, and it's like throwing a fan at a turkey.
If he's just recently gotten whooped, he might not be
really interested exact.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
That is great parallel. It is so I guess what
I'm saying is, don't be afraid to utilize that, especially
if for bucks, if you're bowl hunting, or if he's
in brush and you don't have a shot with a rifle,
whatever the case may be. Now doesn't fall over. Let's
talk about rutt in late season.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
Okay, I'll tell a quick, super quick story here to
that point.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
And this.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
I'll probably get a phone call later tonight. He'll probably
be mad at me forgiving a secret of them, but
I won't use his name. Buddy Mine Northern Kentucky has
rattled up and killed two different one fifty class dear
in September in Kentucky. And that blew my mind when
he told me that. But he said I had never
even thought of it. I said, I don't pack my

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antlers till, you know, closer to Halloween. But he was
sitting in a tree and he heard. You know, it's
not the loud crashing that you see down in Texas,
but it bucks testing they've just come out of that velvet.
They're just feeling each other out. He said. All I
did was try to mimic that, just tickle those times together.
It's worked for him twice.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
So there you go. Well, I have rattled in Deer
in late September or October myself. Yep, I'm pretty keen
on it. I mean, well, like Scott eluded and Scott
uses a lot too late season. Let's transition here. What
are your best sets, what are your killer spots, and

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how do you know pick them?

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
Yeah, so unless it's opening morning of gun, you got
to get back off those field edges a little bit.
In my opinion, the last couple of seasons, it hasn't
sounded as much like World War three out there, and
whether that's people being more selective, whether that's not being

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ideal weather. I think it was twenty twenty two. We
had that beautiful opener, big snowflakes, just gorgeous. You couldn't
ask for a better morning. But they don't all shape
up like that. But we're hunting, we're hunting big fields
opening morning of gun, and then we're tucking back in
the woods and you know, we're trying to find the dose, right,

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But I think for me, for my money, opening morning,
I'm seeing as far as I can possibly see of
gun and then we're and then we're pulling back in
as you know, pressure.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
All right, how about the late lake sees.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
Foods king, Yes, sir, So back to the if the
if the farmer's late getting their soybeans out, I'm sitting
on that. Or we're starting to supplemental feed again, We're
just we're congregating dose and we're trying to play off
of that secondary rut, which obviously is nothing like the

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first one, but it's definitely still a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Yes, sir. What are some of the common mistakes that
you think we should throw into this conversation that prevent
people from taking a better dear.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
I think relying on cameras too much. Actually, the cell cams,
I love them, big fan. But I think if people
aren't seeing a deer a month in the season, month
and a half into season, you know, they think he's
shifted farms. I think he has been poached. And I

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just think you got to get out there and put
your boots on the ground and put your eyes in
the woods and look for that sign because he might
have shifted, he might have shifted to another foods Horsey.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Well, excuse me. Some big Bucks are smart enough their
camera shy. Absolutely, they know what the camera is. They know.
Big Bucks during most of the year instinctively avoid a
lot of hustle and bustle by the other deer. I
think I'm talking about the mature animals.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
Sure, and you see it at feed sites.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Absolutely, they don't are going to smart the edge, yes, sir,
and so I think that has to be taking it
into consideration because I hear people all the time saying
I killed this giant bucket. I had cameras. Every word
I didn't know you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:59):
Was sure, and to that the second part of that also,
other than just the cameras, I think people just don't
take their access and egress into consideration. I think people
probably put a little more thought into access, and then
at the end of the hunt it's gotten just they

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go up, I don't have any shooting light and they
just kind of plow out of there, or they don't.
I mean, I've sat in a tree and had to
have somebody come pick me up because I was covered
up in deer, and I think a lot of people
just climb down and go, well, I'm not hunting again
until next weekend. I think you just got to pay
attention to I'm glad you brought.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
That up, because, especially in the area's agriculture areas, if
you're pinned at a stand and there's deer all around you,
it's much better to have somebody coming there with a
vehicle than for you to get down on foot. And
as we all know, as it gets dark, you don't
have the ambietnaings, you don't have the birch calling, you
don't have the wind bow and all those things that

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Scott I talked about this a lot. We preach it
on the show. As far as I'm concerned, on most situations,
no stand is any better than your ability to enter
and exit it with the deer not being aware of you.
Do you concur with.

Speaker 4 (01:09:16):
That, absolutely, And I think people will just get a
little lazy on both. But I think especially the exit
because they've been out there all day or half the
day and they're a little bummed out they didn't have
the success, And I think a lot of stands get
pegged that way.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Yes, sir, you'll find out too.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
A lot of your most consistent big deer killers and
your folks that manage their deer herd's the best. A
lot of people look at them weird and criticize what
they do, until those patterns start becoming so consistent everybody
else starts to do it. It's the next cool thing.

Speaker 4 (01:09:48):
Sure, it's like swimming across the creek. I mean, seriously,
get you have to get extreme to kill extremely big deer.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
Well, I love you using ditches. I weighed ditches a lot,
and I utilized vehicles a lot coming and going, and
it's uh, big deer. Don't get big with that because
they're stupid. I mean, that's just the bottom line. They're
a different animal. That's a fact, no question. That's why
we do it. Yes, sir Jeremy, tell folks how they

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Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
Appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Come yes, sir. All right, folks, that's a wrap for tonight.
We hope you enjoyed it very much. Be careful out there.
God bless everybody.