8-6-23 Aspects of Lethality of Broadhead and Arrow Performance. Hour 1

Jim's guest on tonight's show is Dave Buikema, owner of Razor Broadhead Company. Jim, Scott and Dave discuss the various aspects of lethality of broadhead and arrow performance.

Episode Transcript

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We got a really great show,live up eating. We got archery
season right around the corner in Kentucky, and I know everyone is really prepping
for the season, thinking about theirsetup, thinking about the broadheads, and
there's a lot of things that needto be thinking about in that regard,

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and so tonight we have a specialguest with us. His name is Dave
Buchama, and he's the owner ofRazor Broadhead Company. And Dave has had
a very extensive amount of experience inthe field, started producing these very high
quality, cut on contact single bladebroadheads, and we're gonna talk about those

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type of heads and the mechanicals andsome of the aspects of both as we
go through the program tonight. SoDave, welcome to the program. Delighted
to have you on, Sir Jimthanks for having me. I'm looking forward
to the conversation. Well. Aswe discussed, we're going to cover a
lot of ground tonight, especially shotplacement, those kind of things that actually

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there's misconceptions about, and the differencein what you can expect out of different
types of broadheads, light arrows versusheavy arrows. There's just a whole lot
of things that we're gonna cover,so I really appreciate you being with us.
I'm gonna talk about some things thatI learned many many years ago in

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a study. And if folks outhere are not familiar with doctor Ashby's broadhead
studies, there's a tremendous amount ofdata and graphs and information where he shot
all types of broadheads through actual animals. In other words, a lot of

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his animal studies were done on asiaticwater buffalo, which heavens tremendous bone mass,
and there's a huge difference in penetrationand on bone between for example,
Dave, the kind of brought headsyou produce and the expandables and the chances
a hitting bone on animals is prettysignificant. So we're gonna talk about that

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as well and what the differences canmake. And this is especially true with
everything from deer all the way upto the African game. We're also going
to be joined tonight with my goodbuddy John Barksdale from gun World, an
archery pro shop, one of ourshow's sponsors. He's fresh back from Africa

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and took a boatload of animals andone of the partners on the trip was
Abbie Brown. She's with Brown's arrowWraps and Abbie's got quite a story because
she shoots very light poundage and acut on contact type of head and got

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passed through on all of her Africananimals. So there's go be several interesting
perspectives that we're gonna share with youtonight. So I'm gonna go ahead and
get the break here. Right afterbreak, we're gonna get with it.
We're gonna talk to Dave about youknow why he got into the manufacturing portion
of archery, has used you knowhow he developed into a gentleman that wanted

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to produce a very high quality broadhead, which he has indeed done. So
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Straighter outdoor. Here were coffee ArcheryAby with Dave Pukeaby who is the proud

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order of Razor Broadhead Company, andScott thanks to you for introducing me to
Dave. He's got a lot ofreally interesting qualities about him that transfer over
into why he got into the archerybusiness. Yeah, it's just that time
of year where folks need to begetting familiar with their equipment and making sure

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everything's tuned up and working in theright order. And we all would love
to make the perfect shot and havea really good blood trail and our experience
in the woods hunting, but aswe all know that the hunted long enough,
sometimes even with practice and a welltuned bow, we don't make the

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best shot. And a lot ofthe data that's come out recently, especially
with the dog tracking groups, reallyto spark my interest to make sure that
we advocate tonight just to remember thatfolks do need to shoot vid equipment it's
in working order and try to haveas efficient and effective of a humane hunt

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is possible. And I think oneof the products that people can utilize is
to Dave's broadhead. But more importantly, with having Dave and John and others
on the program, they're gonna listenand understand that that shoulder and that ribcage
is made to protect those vitals andyou are going to have some type of

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relationship with bone over your your huntingcareer with archery equipment, and I hope
tonight it's very beneficial for folks toto learn and understand why broadhead can be
more than just a cutting device.Yes, sir, I'd like for you
to share with folks about your upbringingand your passion for bow hunting and some

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of your experiences, if you will. Yeah, I appreciate that. So,
yeah, Dave Buckamot. I livein Michigan and probably, like a
lot of us that listen to yourshow in our in our Hunters, you
know kind of grew up and learnit from their dad, as did I.
I mean, probably ten years old, you know, I had a
bow in my hand and I'm fortyfive now, so you know, thirty

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some years you know in the woodsas a bow hunter, and uh,
I would just say, there's noother place I feel more at peace than
in the woods with a bow inmy hand. And I save all my
vacation time for the falls. I'msure many of us do. And whether
someone shoots you know, razor broadheadsor any other broadhead they choose to shoot.

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I hope by the end of this, Uh, you know to our
program to night Jim that ultimately anything we can share with the with your
listeners, that ultimately there's gonna bebetter and more successful in the woods this
fall. Yes, sir, that'sdefinitely the goal here. Tell us about
some of your hunting and have youtraveled a lot, you know, what

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are your experiences, what type ofgame do you normally pursue, and share
a little bit of that with usif you will. Yeah, so,
I would say at this point inmy life, I've been exclusively a deer
hunter, mostly in Michigan. Thelast few years I have been traveling out

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west and doing a little bit ofout of state hunting as well. But
I've got three kids, you know, this is not a full time job
of mine with the Raiser broadhead,so I do have limited vacation time,
so you know, as the kidsget older and kind of move out of
the house and that sort of thingI would like to do, you know,
some some bear hunts, some outhunts, you know, to kind
of explore some different animals. Butat this point in my life it's been

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primarily deer, okay. And theobvious questions, why did you start raising
broadhead, Cutty and what was yourexperience with other broadheads perhaps that led you
to want to develop your head.Yes, that's a great question. I'm
probably not a lot of different thana lot of your listeners, quite frankly,

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who have dabbled with a lot ofdifferent broadheads that are on the market
these days, and that would gofrom both mechanical two fixed, a lot
of brands and both of those avenues. One of the things I liked about
mechanical broadheads when I pretty much exclusivelyshout those for a lot of my life,
is the fact that for the mostpart they flew just like my field

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tips did. And I like thefact that, you know, I could
pretty much practice with my field tipsleading up to archery season and then pretty
much screw those down the night before, and I knew they're pretty much going
to fly the same as my fieldtips did. But I did start to
notice that I wasn't quite getting thepenetration honestly, that I thought I should

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be getting. For your listeners,I'm six foot eight, I have a
thirty three inch draw, So forme to get up to five or six
hundred grand arrow just due to myshaft is not hard at all, because
I shoot a full length arrowshaft.And I felt that there's no reason why
I shouldn't be, you know,blowing through some of these deer. So
that made me then go to thefixed route and some of those broadheads.

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You know, I had varying degreesof success with them, and I was
harvesting deer. Don't get me awrong gem, but either the you know,
the blood trails weren't quite good enoughfor or be holes I thought they
were opening up wasn't quite the cuttingwidth I was looking for. So a
buddy's mine who's not on tonight obviously, but Shane is his name, who

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co owns the business with me.He actually works in a fabrication shop here
in Grand Rapids, which it's kindof a manufacturing cap of the world.
To be honest, with you,and we just kind of got together a
few years ago kim Elson types anddeveloped obviously what is today known as razor
broadheads. Well, there are severalunique things about your head, those interlocking

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screws and what have you. Tellfolks what a razor broadhead is made out
of in the construction that you settledupon. So we have a steel which
is a tool steel, which isknown as A two. A two does
have a chromium component to it,but it's not quite enough to be known

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as stainless. So it has aboutsix percent chromium, I believe to make
it fully stainless, it has tobe like eleven percent. So with a
good tool steel like A two,you have a really good wear resistance,
but not quite as coralsive resistant likea stainless would be. But at the

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same time, when you're shooting animals, that wear resistant really is what you're
looking for because immediately and that broadheadhits the animal, it's going to begin
to build right an impact right whenit hits that hits the fur, hits
the ribcage, right hits the meatimmediately. So something with good wear resistance
is what you're looking for. Butto the design gym so we have a

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double opposing screws which attached to thefarrell, so they go opposite of each
other, so that makes the broadheadperfectly balanced. And then on the back
of the broadhead where the farrell attaches, there's what we call an h lock
which prevents that farrell from shifting fromleft to right, and that just goes
to the overall durability of the broadhead. So if anybody listening where to go

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on the website, you'll see picturesof what I'm trying to talk about,
because I notice kind of hard described, you know, verbally, and give
folks to the website, please,yep. So Razor broadheads dot com.
And we have three different weights andthey're all single bevel which we can get
into that a little bit too ifyou want gym. But we have one

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hundred and fifty two hundred and twohundred fifty grain offerings. Okay, the
single bevel is a very important aspectand one a lot of our listeners may
not be familiar with, but itis a huge advantage in cutting that Again,
doctor Ashby wrote very eloquently about thatand the mechanical advantage it provides,

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not mechanical opening, but mechanical efficiency, I guess I should say, can
you speak to that? Yeah,So when a single bevel broadhead enters an
animal, it's going to go thesame way that the bevil is cut.
And we offer both left and rightbevel broadhead, so really it doesn't matter

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which one you order as long asit matches the direction of your fletchings.
So a right fletched arrow, youwant right bevel, and then obviously vice
versa for the left. But towhat doctor Ashby's studies we're talking about that
a single beve of broadhead does isthat it twists when it goes through the
animal. So essentially it could goin horizontally and then when it excess the

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animal, it could be vertically orcontinue even passing past the vertical position.
But the main thing is from apenetration standpoint, when it encounters bone,
most likely right flesh obviously isn't ahuge deterrent for penetration, but we're more
talking bone here. It is mucheasier to twist through a medium than to

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push. And then when a singlebeve of broadhead is twisting like we're talking
about, it's going to enhance penetration. Is comparison to a non bevel broadhaft.
That makes sense. That makes perfectsense. And I'll probably quote some
of the stuff from the study throughoutthe program here, because a Spy was

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not only a pioneer, but hewas one of the gentlemen that did that
they Tall Africa study. As Ishared with you, David, I was
one of the first wave of bowhunters that went to Africa, and many
of the African governments were against bowlhunting. They didn't think it was lethal
enough. But that natal study showedvery clearly that they're extremely lethal, and

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there was just so many interesting thingsthat came out of that. Now I
have shot so many different heads throughthe years. I started out with bear
raiser heads, Zwicki's Magnus piercing deadhead, Rawthar's snuffers, and graduated up to

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I shot the muzzies. I shotthe spitfire that one of the first expandables
that I was exposed to. Hada really bad experience, quite frankly,
with that broadhead on the largest buckI ever put an arrow in, wasn't
able to retrieve the animal. Andthrough the years I've seen the difference in

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penetration from broadheads like yours in abig, big way. All of my
African animals were shot with cut oncontacts, single blade broadheads, and I
got tremendous pass throughs. I meanthere was almost amazing, really because as

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you know, those are big bonedanimals. The two kudu that I shot
on two different trips, I hitribs going in and coming out, and
the air was way out beyond theanimal. And I also was shooting very
heavy arrows. I'm a big believerin heavy arrows, and it's there's a

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reason for that. We'll get intothat a little painter, but I want
to quote something here real quick fordoctor Askby, if you don't mind,
because we're going to talk about thisthroughout the program. He said, we
know that aerrow mass is more importantthan aerrow velocity. Now I know there's
going to be a ton of peoplewho disagree with that because the trend is

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towards faster boats, and I understandthat, but here's his thoughts, and
I'm an agreement. Mass is moreimportant than velocity because air velocity is rapidly
lost down range, but arrow massremains constant through the arrow's flight, which

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helps to maintain the arrow's momentum.We also know that bowl drawway does not
translate directly to air velocity, penetrationcapability, or killing capacity of the air
broad hid combo. Some bowls aresimply more efficient than others. Any chronograph
will prove that a proper set ofcompound bowl will generate higher momentum levels with

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any given error, masks that aconventional bowl of equal drawway. Now the
folks can argue about that, butif you stop and consider this, it's
why I've always used the addage getthem close and give them And what I
mean by that is when you shootan animal close frames number one, a

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lot less chance is going to jumpthe string number two, You've got your
maximum velocity it close, and that'swhere momentum comes in. And if you
hit bones. We're gonna talk aboutwhat happens after the break here. So
a lot of interesting aspects to allthis stuff, and we'll continue the conversation

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back on the other straighter outdoors againwhere park lot days do from up from
mistiganic donor raised a broad hit company. U they just for breakthre. I
flew out something from doctor Ashby's studied. I'd like to hear your thoughts on
as he said there. Yeah,so it's kind of it's counterintuitive to what

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a lot of the Independum, it'sstarting to shift, Jim. But so
much of the archer community has beenspeed, speed speed over the last couple
of decades. Um. You know, I remember when now as a kid,
having the overdraw systems. If youremember those, right, we're going
to these verse short, almost boltlike arrows, and the didn't last too

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long. And now it seems likethe penulum is starting to sway back towards
those, towards those heavy hitters andnot so much speed. I just need
some simple calculations here, looking atlike kinetic energy over the break. So
if you take a five hundred grainarrow and you're shooting three hundred feet per

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second, that is about one hundredpounds of kinetic energy. Now if you
increased that weight to six hundred grains, and that's naturally going to slow your
velocity ten fifteen feet per second,let's just call it twenty. Cakes'm not
gonna be more than that. Nowyou're shooting two hundred and eighty feet per

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second. Your kinetic energy actually increasedtwo hundred and four even though your velocity
slowed down, because you've gained thatmuch mass. And I think that's what
you're alluded to before, when tobreak their jim without the ashby study,
in terms of what that arrow masshaving much more impact can do for you
versus velocity. Yes, sir,that's exactly what I'm talking about. And

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you know, he made it astatement which I think is very applicable to
this point. We're talking about itright now. And he said, the
thing to do is to shoot theheaviest arrow that gives you the downrange accuracy
that you require. In other words, goal to the heavy side for trajectory

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that you found acceptable. And thetrend has been lighter and lighter, flatter
and flatter shooting. But with themechanical heads in particular, that's where trouble
starts, because number one, thelighter airs don't generally have the structural integrity
of the heavier arrow, and theydon't have the momentum and that momentum,

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which you actually pointed out here,is a lot bigger factor than most people
realize. Yeah, and I realizedthat during the summertime, we can all
sit out there in our ranges witht shirts on, you know, and
shoot. You know, pop cansize bullseyes at twenty thirty, you know,
even forty yards and it's really notthat much of a problem. But

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we're on the woods and it's cold, and we got layers of clothes on,
and big buck walks by, andour nerves and adrenaline starts kicking in.
You don't have as much virgin forair as you do in your backyard.
And to me, because I'll behonest with you, right, I
haven't got every animal I've ever shotat. I make mistakes. It's like

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everyone of your listeners probably has.Unfortunately that's just one of the facts of
bull hunting. But I feel,as ill Gym, we owe it to
the animal to use the best equipmentthat we can use and take into the
woods. And I just feel thatwhen and if those mistakes do happen,
or the animal move right, theymove, they jumped that string. If

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we were to catch the shoulder andnot quite hit where we're aiming these picks
play broadheads with these heavier setups,there's going to give you that most more
increased likelihood to penetrate and get intothe vitals. Yes. Important. Another
to mention Jim is I think fromfolks getting out and about and have experience

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and we and we look and hearthese stories of about trying to recover deer.
The more time that we spend thefield as a hunter, the more
that we realize that that honey,with the aspect of archery equipment and target
shooting, really are significantly different.And the reason I bring that up is

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we can all pull a shot alittle this way, that way, a
little high, little low, andall of those broadheads will go through that
soft tissue, but not all ofthese broadheads will perform well if we get
into that shoulder or have issues withspinal or neck vertebrae. And I think

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that's really important. In the morethat we start getting data and information back
also from the aspect of what trackingdogs has meant to the archery world and
both hunting, the more and moreand more we realize how important it is
to have an exit wound and howthat allows basically for that blood to empty

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onto the ground so that we cancan have blood to fall on our tracking
jobs. You know, Scott,you're familiar with some of the data that's
coming in from those tracking dogs.Would you care to share that. Yeah,
Roughly, deer were the majority,I mean in the ninety six percent

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area. But what it comes downto is basically, twenty five thousand animals
were tracked and recorded, and ofthose twenty five thousand tracks, only fifty
percent of those were recovered. Andthat's not all from archery equipment, but
the majority were. And what it'sbrought to spotlight to me, and it's

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like Dave saying, John consent charmingtwo. You know, some broadheads are
just better than others, and somehave pros and some have cons And I
think what we're getting at is there, for the longest time, we started
seeing a lot of these mechanical broadheadsand it was not necessarily a game of

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creating a better product, as itwas we were creating a broadhead that cut
a lot of tissue. The problemis is we cut two point three inches
or we cut you know, aninch and three quarters or an inch and
a half. But we stopped talkingabout penetration and the penetration is so important

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and it's such a point that needsto be brought forward that these cheaper made
products that we're seeing today, becausecompanies are reducing what they're spending on manufacturing,
they've also decreased the edge that theblade holds, and in most all
of your broadheads are going to bein that hundred rain mark. And if

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you'll look and follow the data onthe deer and animals that are recovered,
we're finding out that the deer thatwe're recovered are from a fixed blade broadhead
and they're from arrows that had aheavy way. Not necessarily they didn't have
to be in a certain range sixor seven hundred. But what we realize

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is whether it was a youth oran aging archer or female or whatever,
that when people had good front ofcenter and they had a broadhead that was
very well built, when penetration couldbe you know, utilized in the aspect
of their setup, they're recovering theirgame. And that's what we're that's what

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we're all wanting. We're not wantingsix and seven hours in the woods and
and the next day, you know, try can follow up jobs. If
we can help it. Absolutely andI have unfortunately learned in my field experience
and the experiences of many many huntersthat I've talked to, there's a disturbing

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trend with these large cut mechanical headsfor folks not to be quite as careful
about their shot placement. In otherwords, they go into the woods with
the idea, Hey, this thing'sgoing to cut such a gash in that
animal, and I'm not trying tobe gross here, but that it will
certainly bleed to death and I'll recoverit. But that's often not the case.

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It's about penetration. It's about thelethal aspects of what an er can
do to an animal animal to causeit to expire rapidly, which is obviously
what we all want. But I'veheard too many stories about well I didn't
have quite the angle, but Ishot anyway. And then you get to
the tracking dog issue. The numberof people that have to rely on tracking

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dogs is pretty startling really. Imean, you talk to any of these
tracking dog people, they get alot of calls that they can't respond to
because they're already got three or fourother folks that have wanted a deer.
So we will talk after break aboutshot placement because that is one of the

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number one things that folks need tothink about. So let me get to
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Daves. We were talking about shotplacement, and I want to start out

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with a statement here that runs contraryto what a lot of bow hunters have
been taught or that they believe,and that is that the broadside shot is
the best shot on an animal.I'm of the opinion, very strong opinion,
and I've killed hundreds of animals withbone arrows, ranging from help kudoo,

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wild boar or one of my passion. And they're a tough animal because
they've got that structural integrity on topof that shield, that think cartly shield.
It's over the ribs. If youwant to see an animal expire very
rapidly. The best shot is actuallyquartering away, and a quarter away shot

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does several things. Number one,the animal's ears and eyes are away from
you, so they're less likely tojump the string. The most importantly,
you come in behind the rib cage, aiming at the opposing shoulder. You
take out its diaphragm, So thatanimal just took its last breath, it
can't inflate its lungs anymore. Thenthe cut you make is a lateral cut

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through the lungs, and it generallywill slice, if you will, that
whole lung or lungs that it encountersin its flight. So I want to
lay that out there because it's alwaysmade me scratch my head. How everyone
says the broadside is the best shot. It is a great shot, no

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doubt, and it generally will takeout both loans, but you also run
a risk of hitting the panel booneor hitting the leg bones, whereas it's
all soft tissue if you ain't behindthe ribs on the quarter angle. Your
thoughts, Dave, what are yourthoughts? So if I have a deer

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that's coming in and it's sitting theirbroadside, and my shooting window is big
enough where if that deer keeps going, it's going to present me with a
quartering away shot within a couple ofsteps. To your point, Jim,
I'm gonna wait for that because there'llbe a lot of things that you had
mentioned number one, Yes, it'sgonna allow me to draw because they're not

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able to see me as well.But number two, and this kind of
goes back to the equipment that you'reusing, right, You're going to having
a longer cut, but it's goingto give you a better angle. As
you said too, that you're gonnabe able to drive it up and shoot
towards that opposing shoulder, and goingback to that equipment conversation, not necessarily

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even drive it into that shoulder,but ideally drive right through it and have
that pass through. And Scott,you had mentioned earlier too about two holes
being better than one, which isobvious. And these two inch wide cutting
broadheads are great, But I'll takea inch and a half broadhead with two
holes over a two inch broadhead withonly one hole on the entry any day

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of the week. So I agreewith both of you on that and would
definitely wait for that cording away shotJim, And on one more on the
subject with archery gear, a lotof folks that transition out of gun hunting
into archery tend to think of theirshot placements differently, and with archery equipment,

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generally speaking, the greatest shot onthe broadside. Deer, for example,
if you look at their bone structure, which there's all kinds of websites
to show it, it's right therebehind that knuckle on their leg, that
leg you're looking at, and it'snot very far back off of that,

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and a lot of folks tend toshoot further back than they should. If
you hunt bear or wild board,which I have hunted a lot, you
will find that if you pull upa little bit further and trying to put
it in what I would call theirarmpit for lack of a better way to
describe it, anywhere in that region, it's going to be a dead animal

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with a pass through. It's they'llusually expire right there within sight or sound.
You'll hear them drop. But alot of folks pull up too high
and they shoot too far back,and even with those expandables, that causes
problems. If they hit bone,it doesn't do much good if they don't

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have penetration through that bone. Nomatter how big the blade is, no,
and you're gonna hit bone regardless.I mean, let's be honest.
Obviously the shoulder is the one thatwe're most fearful of, but just look
at that rib cage. You know, unless you split exactly between the ribs
the ribs whichever that gap is,I know it's not very big. You

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do almost have to go between themon entry and exit and not hit the
shoulder on either side to not hitbone at all. So you're gonna hit
bone. It's almost impossible not to. So yeah, shot placement is definitely
king. I mean, you couldprobably kill a deer with a field tip,
to be honest with you, witha properly placed arrow. So a
lot of the things we're talking abouttonight, it just increases your margin for

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air when in its bills occur.Yes, sir, absolutely, and Scott,
you and I've talked about this alot, and folks need to think
about this, especially if they're huntingthat trophy of a lifetime. That is
that a mature buck deer bone densitywise and structurally is an entirely different animal

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than are dull. Their their forceof will to live, their bone structure,
everything makes them a little bit harderto make that good, clean killing
situation come to fruition. And becauseof that, that's where I go back
to the importance of momentum and thatmass in the arrow. I think it's

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just vitally important. Yeah, there'sthere's no doubt about it. And you
know not to take away from awhite tail dough either, because you know
it provides a tremendous opportunity to putgame on the table. Deer in general
can range in their size, dependingif you're in Florida or you know,

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if you're in iour Kentucky and mostof us that has been in the woods
and gone through the process of huntingwhite tails, the will for certain deer
to live after their shot is somethingthat cannot be taken out of the equation.
And one of the biggest aspects aboutyour broadhead selection and paying attention all

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your equipment is so that all yourtime, energy and efforts are going to
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