8-6-23 Aspects of Lethality of Broadhead and Arrow Performance. Hour 2

Jim's guest on tonight's show is Dave Buikema, owner of Razor Broadhead Company. Jim, Scott and Dave discuss the various aspects of lethality of broadhead and arrow performance.

Episode Transcript

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I woke up five but on thecamouflage whipped up two forty three. You
can fired up my dog and itout of my own dear stand back in
the Pine's gonna give me a tenpoint book with a living inch time.

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Because I'm a backwards ball, grewup on a dirt road. I'm a
backwards boy. No better place togo waiting on a dear wishing on star.
I'll alwain't be true to my mombecause I'm a backwards Jim guarded the

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night and Broadhead. We're talking tonight with the day he'll come up here
is all a Razor Broadhead company.You can check him out at Razor Broadheads
dot com. Dave wants to getmany thanks to you for being on the
program tonight. Yes, thanks,Jim enjoyed the conversation at first hour.

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Good. I have two folks onthe line here, Dave, that just
got back from Africa, and thereason I'm inserting them into our conversation is
number one. John Barksdale is thearchery technician at Gunworld Archery pro Shop and

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he has worked on my bowls formore years than I want to tell you,
and he is an excellent technician.But he also is an awesome tournament
archer and game shot. He islethal game, he knows where to put

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the broadheads, and I can tellyou he is a wealth of experience.
He used to watch me test broadheadintegrity by shooting them through metal, animal
boxes, dumpster doors, concrete blocks, you name it. I've been obsessed
by structural integrity of broadheads throughout mybow Honey career because I found out the

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hard way that if the broadhead doesn'tstand up the impact, it's not going
to do the job. And Iknow fully well that metal and concrete don't
equake to animals. But if it'llstand that, you can bet it'll hold
up to bold. And we alsogot Abby Brown. Abby is a proud

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owner of Brown's Arrow Raps, incordedin the Ania right there where gun World
is and folks, welcome to theprogram. Delighted to have you on and
was very impressed by the animals thatyou all taken. John, I want
to start with you. I guessif that's all right, and Abby welcome.

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John Absolutely, John, you shotyour animals with different broad heads.
I'd like you to talk about theperformance you saw on the different animals.
Edgar, why you switched broadheads andwhy you at times choose different broadheads,
right, Um, my main broadheadI used on them. Out of the

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five animals I killed on three ofthem, I used the G five megameat
I've had good luck out a headfor deer and on deer size game.
Um, I mainly chose that justin case we did make a little bit
of a marginal shot on a littlebit back on some of those animals,
because, as you know, theafterc animals, most of their kills set
more forward, straight up the leg, and if you hit them in the

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crease, sometimes that crease is toofar back. And just in case I
got a little excited and if Ididn't get a quartering away shot, I
chose that megameat with a two inchcut case I went a little bit back
on that crease. It was stilla good shot, and that would be
you want to share what they wereand what kind of performance you saw the
broad head, Yeah, and thenthen y'all a shot. I was able

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lucky enough to take that on thefirst day, which was a highly sought
after animal on my list. Onthe second trip over there, um,
that took about a twenty yard shotand the animal expired at about forty six
yards human blind and that was thatwas a straight through the both shoulders with
that G five complete passed through UM, very quick recovery. UM. Second

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animal would have been a wardhog.That was about an eighteen yards shot straight
in the shoulder. That animal madeit about forty yards with a pretty quick
recovery and a really good blood trailon that sand over there, UM animal
shoulder. When you say through theshoulder on both those animals, are you

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talking about bone contact? I thought, yes, sir, bone contact.
Okay, So did you hit thescapular or did you hit the portions of
the leg not on the leg againstin the scalpular. Guess they're on the
flat part, okay. And thenthe sable was a pretty steep quartering away
shot. Was able to slide thatat them back on about the last rib.

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That broadhead went in about a fortyfive and came out on the right
front shoulder. Did not get acomplete pass through, but did have a
solid exit. UM. And thenthe other two broadheads I used, or
the other broadhead I used would havebeen a G five exodus. I mainly
keep that around. We'd had achance, we were looking for a baboon

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or something like that, just tomake the job blue lesion on taxidermists not
put a two inch hold through somethingwith a slap cut. Um. I
was fortunate enough to take an impoloyou with that broadhead and that was about
a twenty one yard shot with abouta forty yard recovery. And then the
biggest animal I took on the tripwould have been in England. He'd have

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been in access of about sixteen hundredpounds just on just on a rough guestament
from the Phum fortunate enough to putthat at that exodus all the way through
him and did get a pass throughon him. Okay, now I am
mean you got a great story totell share with folks your equipment because you

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shoot light pounds, fairly light ARBsand a short droll. And then I
want you to describe what your broadheadand set up did for you because it's
an eye opener. Go ahead,Abby, yes, sir, um it
is pretty pretty nice as a lowpounded female to be over there with all

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the men in Africa, you know, shooting with the best of them.
But um, I currently shoot apsc omen on the S two cam at
forty two pounds with a twenty fourand a half inch draw. So I
don't don't have a whole lot goingon there. But I shoot a black
eagle Spartan five hundred splint and Igot sixty grains in the front and I

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UM, I was using the magnus, the stinger buzz cut the hundred grain
broadheads, um, and they didnot disappoint. UM. I shot a
stable at twenty three yards UM,straight up the lake and I got to
pass through on that, which wasa great way to start the trip.
Um. He I think he wentabout eighty yards. UM. I think

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sounded like us, you know,mine and Jones. It's pretty common that
eighty two one hundred yard UM expirationtime is pretty common over there. UM.
So shot a sable at twenty threeyards and got a pass through.
UM a war hog at seventeen yards. UM. I didn't get a pass

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through on that. It stuck onthe off side shoulder. But that buzz
cut staying in there really helps expirethat animal quite a bit quicker too,
even with a low poundage bow.When it gets stuck in there and it's
just cutting while it's running it,it definitely helps out I was able to
take a zebra. That was anexperience, very very tough, very big

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animal. Did not get to passthrough on that either, but he's still
expired within about one hundred yards.Let's see what else was there. The
ostrich was was pretty fun. Thatwas a seventeen yard shot as well.
He went about i'd say about onehundred yards, and the blood trail on

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that was absolutely insane, probably thebest blood trail I've ever seen. And
then my kudu and my golden gimmsbuck. I shot those out of the
same blind, both at seventeen yards, just on different days, and they
both they died within about ten yardsof each other. So it was pretty
great experience, honestly, I wouldsay, I would certainly say so.

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Now, obviously for you to havehad that kind of performance, you had
to put some deadly shots on offanimals. So yes, yes, the
shot placement was extremely important with alower pounded bow like that. And did
you encounter bone on any of thosehits? I would assume you hit bound

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I hit rib ons on that ordid you not? Yeah? Yeah,
So over there going straight up theleg, I think it's it's pretty common
to run into that UM. Idefinitely knew going over there being a lower
pounded shooter that um from my ownconfidence in my self assurance that I would

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make a good, clean, lethalshot on an animal. I set my
comfort level at a max shot oftwenty five yards UM, and it was
hard when animals would give me ashot that I know I can handle at
thirty thirty five yards, but ona low poundage bow, I just wanted
them in closer so that way,if I did have to, if I

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hit bone and I had to makeit through, I had the maximum impact
there to really make it through whatwhat I needed to. And that speaks
to Dave what we were talking aboutin the first hour. She's obviously very
aware that is the distance from thebone increases, the momentum and the speed
drops. It's it's uh, it'sit's just an equation. You can't get

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away from them, and there's atendency nowadays for folks to shoot it these
animals that I'm gonna talk about deerin particular here. Uh, this stuff
about a fast boat can capture adeer. By that, I mean,
you know, leave the boat andget to the animal without the animal moving.
It's nonsense. Peep or diluted inthinking that. I John, you've

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seen me do this. I've donea test for twenty five yards. I'll
get behind a tree with a gallonmilk jug and at the pop of that
boat, you'll not hit that jug. So may may think they can beat
it. But John, you've seenme do it, I don't know how
many times, and so I'm notanywhere near as fast as a deer.

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So goes back to my theory.Guys, get them close and gig them,
you know. So it hats offto you, Abby for having that
attitude. Any thoughts that either ofyou would like to share on the shot
place in an aspect, I loveAbby here in your way, and John,
you're coming up the back of thefront leg, and if there's like

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a quarter way, you can obviouslyaim for the leg on the other side.
That'll take out both lungs. ButI talked it at length in the
first hour about the importance of aquarter away shot. But I think John,
you said one of your animals wasshot quartered away. I tried to
get everything slightly quartered away, justjust to put a you know, a

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lateral cut through lungs is a lotmore efficient in a straight broadside shots,
not too much, not too much. Ritters out there can make it,
to make it very far with awith a lung sliced and half versus just
a whole punch through it. Youbet very aptly said, ab you have
any additional thoughts, Um No,I think just like like John said,

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out there, it's uh with withmy bow out there, I knew that,
um it was. It was Itneeded to be a quartering away shot
because with a lower poundage bow gettingthrough that tough shoulder bone, they have
been a little more of an issue. Um. So I took everything at
least slightly quartering away. Um.I think my zebra he wasn't. He

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was more broadside than any of them, and it did take him a little
longer to fire, So I thinkthat he was also the farthest away of
my shots. So I think thatI kind of it was an eye opener
there of you know, really reallyknowing your equipment, knowing what it can
handle, and making sure that youmake your shot accordingly. Absolutely well,

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if I remember correctly, that littlehead you're shooting, it's just a seven
eighth inch cut, isn't it that? I'm not sure, but I know
it's Yeah. I was gonna sayJohn would know my setup too. Yes,
Jim, I crect it's a it'sa hundred, it's a seven eighth
cench cut. I believe that broadhit is almost two inches long. It's
a seven eighth inch cut with ahalf inch later blade. Okay, well,

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obviously did the job. Boll.Thank both of you for visiting with
us. I'm especially impressed that youboth favored that quarter away shot because John,
as you know, there's too muchmisinformation about broadside is the best shot
in actuality. It's not. AndI don't know why. Well, John,

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you see my bow hunting seminars,I always teach about the quarter away
because again, once you pop thatdiaphragm and make those lateral customs as lung
as, that's a dead animals.It's not got a chance whatsoever. And
where your room for a room airis huge. I mean, you've got
a larger room for error when you'rething quartered away. If you get that

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up in the ribs, it's it'sa bad day. You are exactly right.
You can hit them from the hipall the way up to the first
rib, which is a huge areacompared to the small relatively small kills though
you got when they're when they're totallybrought side to you. So well,
thanks for visiting Ribs and uh Igot to go to break here, folks.

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and we're back talking with Dave JukeBar raise your Broadheads company. Dave John

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is a very unique individual. He'swon the world championship a couple of times.
And isn't it interesting that he talkedabout how he went for shock placements
that offer a lot more latitude inthe accuracy. By that, I mean
that broadside shot you can be there'sabout twelve to fifteen inches at some of

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those quarter angles, whereas broadside youdon't get that, you just simply don't
have it. Yeah, I meanjust goes back to shot placement. Is
king right? And remind me ofany archery competition I enter moving forward if
either Abbey or John are in it, not to not to enter because they
sound like straight up killers. Oh, I can't even begin to tell you.

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You know one thing that John emphasizesand he knows that I'm fanatic about
it is the tuning of the bowl. You want to have that arrow coming
out of the bowl and making ajust as perfect a boat a hole as
you can get. And the wayI've always liked to do it is to

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have the paper tuning done at aboutten to twelve feet from the from the
bowl. And if it does that, by the time you've got the fletching
on and the broadhead on, youought to get excellent delivery of your era.
And I want to say something hereand then I'm gonna kind of contradicted.

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This comes from Ashby. I lovequote this guy because he's just very
intelligent. If your broadheads have adifferent point of impact than your field points,
then your setup is not truly tuned. Obvious, I guess, although
a lot of people shoot and whenthey find their broadheads are shooting to a

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different point of impact, they justmove their sites. That's not the way
to be efficient with your bow,and you will not get the best performance
out of it. Now, Iwant to flip that a little bit,
and I'd like your thoughts. Toomany people that shoot the expandables do find

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that they will fly to the pointof impact as their field points. But
that doesn't necessarily mean that that arrowand your boat is properly tuned because it
tends to accept what the boat givesit, but it's not driving down range
where it's given that broadhead every opportunityto do the job. I'd like your

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thoughts, Dave. Yeah, that'scorrect, and I'm John could have offered,
you know, infinite moral wisdom thanwhat I can provide. But you
know, if you are shooting bullseyes in your backyard, but your tip
is you know your knock is notright behind where your field point or broadhead
or whatever you're shooting is landing,that is not a perfectly tuned arrow.

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And we've all had that. Ithink that's what you're looking to, right,
Jim, where you might have hita bulls eye. But if your
arrow was cock eyed a little bit, that is not a properly tuned arrow,
and you will lose energy upon impact. So there are some simple things
you can do, even on yourown that you don't even need a bull
press score. You alluded to thepayper tuning aspect of it, but if

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that's something you're not comfortable with we'veall got about two more months or maybe
your case, you know less thanthat down there in Kentucky to get in
your local archer shop and make sureyour equipment is properly tuned before the season
begins. Absolutely. Um. Iwant to talk a little bit about FOC

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because there's a lot of different aspectsto FOC and it it seems to be
the big topic now. And Ilaughed at that because we were paying attention
to that way back when I startedBow Honey almost fifty something years ago.
So we'll do that after this breakand it'll be an interesting conversation. This

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Dave Ucama, he's owner Raising BroadheadDave for the breakcast throughout. I want
to talk about FOC or errors waightforward the center and I want to quote
ask you here again if you don'tmind, because I'd like to get your
thoughts on this. The arrow waitforward the center. FOC is how close

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the air's balanced point is to theaero's tip and using errors have an extreme
or ult extreme FOC does have morethan any other feature except flight qualities to
maximize the effect of the other factorsin broadhead performance FOC which is the US

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defined as nineteen to thirty percent FOCand the first measurable tissue penetration gains to
the FOC or manifests at the EOClevel of percent, with penetration gain continue
to increase in fresh and living tissues. All FOC and alter FOC tests show

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very very high penetration game over arrowshaving normal FOC twelve percent or less and
high FOC from twelve through eighteen.This is where this gets crazy and people
need to think about this. Intheir setups, penetration gains range from approximately

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forty percent two upwards of sixty percentdepending on arrow setups forty to sixty percent
greater penetration. That is huge.Again, to look at these graphs and
charts, go to the SB Studiesdoctor shbs h b Y and they were

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this becomes almost humorous to me.Folks are just now starting to figure this
out with the new bowls and thesenew heads and what's going on after and
back in the day when we wereyou know, shooting re curves and long
bowls, which is when I started, we didn't even have compatns. We

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understood that, you know, youhad to use that, and we consistently
shot heads. The smallest head Iever shot that day and time was one
hundred and twenty five grains. Butyou have to match the spine back to
their flight to accommodate that foc ButI like your thoughts on that. Yeah,

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So I believe Ashby had like twelveprinciples that he goes by, and
that structural integator you mentioned earlier,Jim, I believe is number one.
Aeroplay is two, and then thisflec that you're referencing is number three.
And you know, you will seesome contradictory stuff out there about afflacy and

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the exact percent you know, they'dlike you to be at. But what
it's pretty proven is the fact thatit does help for both arrow flight and
penetration, which he alluded to inhis studies. Now, whether that be
ten to fifteen percent, which somepeople will say, or upwards of thirty
percent like you're quoting there with Ashby, you know, and you get to

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remember too that those studies were donewith with the longbow, you know,
with the compounds these days generating somuch energy. You know, that may
have been a little different in whathe found within his studies. But to
talk about the fact that with flightand penetration that you are going to get
with a higher aflacy, that isundoubtedly true. For me. Specifically,

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mine is actually under fifteen percent becausemy arrows are so long. It's hard
for me to get that sport ofcenter in such a high percentage. Now
Abbey, with her shooting that shorttwenty four in gerial, you know she
could probably easily. I'm curious toknow what hers is. But the short
of the arrow, the easier doesto get that efflity increase, Yes,

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sir, and and that balance,that balance, that balance points going to
change. I do want to pointout that a lot of these studies other
than Ashby are done on gel andother mediums. However, his was done
on either live or freshly killed animals, and in most of his studies it

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was specifically designed to measure bone penetrationin or integrity of the broadhead. So
he actually was shooting it at animalanimal tissue and bone, and he only
did it was freshly killed animals,and most of his animals were either cape
or as you had a buffalo,which are at the very very high end

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of course of penetration problems. Butand he did mention, you know,
the compound bowl. I alluded tothat earlier, that it will deliver more
performance pabbage wise, much better thana than a recurver or a long bowl.
So those are things that have tofigure in there. Scott, what

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are your thoughts on that and doyou have anything you'd like to add to
what John and Abby were talking about. What's good right now in archery is
it's not necessarily things are new topeople like my age. I'm forty five.

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I think what is important is totalk about the awareness, and I
think everybody has really started to atleast get them momentum and move in a
direction to where they want a broadhead. They understand that if it doesn't come
sharp, there's ways it and makeit sharper. There's certain steals or alloys

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that are going to perform better thanothers. We have so much, uh
you know, product out there tochoose from, and where I where I
come from with all of this isthe fact that we're trying to be efficient
in having a humane and and lethalstrike with an arrow um. And we're

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doing that by by stopping and beingstudents of the game and understanding that,
hey, you know, there thereare some advantages here to this particular style
of broadhead. There's there's this advantagewith this amount of weight. But but
in the end, what we're reallytrying to do and what I'm trying to
promote is the fact that just causeyou can get an arrow to fly a

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long distance with a tune bow doesn'tmean that that arrow is going to be
a lethal instrument to deliver what itneeds to in order for you to recover
the game. And what I'm gettingat, there's a lot of archers out
there that can shoot really good,and they can fly that arrow to the

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target at fifty yards, and theycan also fly that arrow to the game
at fifty yards. But when youstart understanding how an arrow can have issues
with the flecting, or you startunderstanding how bonus coming into play versus a
piece of foam or a bag target, you start realizing that the bow hunting

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aspect of all of this, wehave got to wrap our head around that
we are looking for performance in theaspect of lethally killing an animal we're not
just looking at performance of a bowl, shooting it down range and aiming it
an x or aiming at a smallcircle. Absolutely, and animals to our

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previous conversation here to night, theymove, they often flinch at the shot,
and there's just a whole lot ofthings that start to enter into the
equation. And one thing I'd liketo add right here is animals that drop
with the shot are gonna cause yourair to strike bone. That's where you
get into paddle bone and hits,spinal hits, things of that nature,

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and all that has to be consideredin your setup and what you expect out
of it. I will say Dave, that your head, to give you
some kudos, is very very strongin construction. It is cut to the
tip, and it is single battlewhich HP again back to his study,

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it showed conclusively that a single beveltype of broadhead design has a mechanical advantage.
Here's how he said that it's reallykind of humorous. Mechanical advantage refers
to how steep the angle is onthe blades of the broad end, just

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like an inclined ramp. The longerthan lens to the ramp in relation to
its rise but its energy it takesto get to the top of the incline,
or this is not true. It'sa sure bet the wheelchair ramps for
the handicapped would be short and steep, which he's making a point there.

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Obviously it's not exactly apples to apples, But Dave, why did you choose
the features of your broadhead to thatpoint? Yeah, I mean we took
a lot of those inciples that Ashbyobviously did into the design of our broadhead.
And one of the things I justwant to go back real quick,

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and Jim, I will get toyour question there. I know some of
your listeners are probably heads they're spendingright now with all the topics we've discussed
tonight, because let's be honest,archery is very hard, but it's not
as daunting as you think. Andif you were to take the time,
and we do have some time beforethis season starts here and just go in

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your backyard and get try to getsome of these issues resolved, the confidence
that you will have walking into thewoods this fall is like no other.
And I've had years like that whereI've walked in the woods where I have
not been confident in my setup andthat is not a good feeling. So
take the time to do it andyou'll be you'll be much better off for
it. But Jim, we havea twenty five degree bebble on our broadhead,

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which I believe Ashby alluded to aswell, was kind of like the
ideal rotation and what that does goingthrough the animal. That gives you a
deeper one channel as well, anotherbenefit to a single level. When it's
rotating, it's creating a deeper onechannel, creating with tissue damage which obviously
is going to create you know,or more humanely kill, yes, sir,

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and again that's becomes very very importantif you strike bone. And I
don't have this in front of mehere. But one of the interesting things
about that African study that they tallAfrica to study again them folks should go
online and look at Ashby studies andthey span decades and there were changes in

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archery during that period. Bowls arefaster now, the arrows are much better
than they were during the early stagesof that study. And however, the
principles there I think definitely hold swaytoday. So really spiting a little bit
more than that. After break,got to take this short break here folks.
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Check them out. They'll take greatcarey and remember you never get soaked at
SMI. And we're back day beforethe break there. We were talking about
FOC and some other aspects, andI want to kind of do a quick
review here of what we've covered tonight, because I want to state the importance

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of what we were talking about.This isn't about whether you should be shooting
a mechanical head versus a single bladehead. It's about shot placement. We
talked about the importance of a quarteringaway angle at its lethality, and I
don't think we can stress that muchmore. I actually do most of my

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setups where that's the shot I willget. I want an animal facing away,
unalarmed, and I want to havethat latitude on my arab placement.
I think we can get an aimenon that. I cannot overstress the importance
of having good error flight where thatarrow leaves the bowl and accepts the thrust

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of force that that string puts uponthat era at release, because if it's
going straight down range, it willdefinitely follow what the broadhead does on impact,
and that's I don't think that canbe over emphasized. And again there's
too many folks that assume because theirfield point in their expandable shoots to the

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same point of impact, that theirarrow is given all that it can.
On penetration FOC. There's differences ofan opinion on that. However, there
are numerous studies ASPIS and several others, and I think it's a prevalent n
of thinking today that a little everyrfoc in most cases we'll give you better

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penetration. Now, there's other factorsthere, like speed in spite of the
air, which they I'd like youto talk about a little bit here in
the closing minutes, the spine ofthe arrow. Yes, they're in the
speed which enables an air to penetrate. Yeah, so you know, earlier

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in the broadcast we talked about howspeed is you know, a little bit
overrated. But when you look atthe spine of the erros, obviously with
that structural integrity, going back toAshby studies, a thicker walls with a
higher grains per inch aerro is obviouslygonna way more. So I think sometimes

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people do steer away from those becauseObviously a higher grain per inch is going
to increase your way in there first, slow down your speed, but structural
integrity, it's going to hold upmuch better than say, you know,
a three hundred spined arrow is obviouslygonna be a lot stiffer and hold up
better to impact than say a fourhundred would. But having that spined arrow

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match up to whatever speed you're shooting, having it properly tuned and Jim,
I just can't emphasize enough regardless ofwhich broadhead you shoot, it doesn't have
to be a razor or any otherone on the market. Perfect aeroflight is
whatever one of your listeners should strivefor. And if you can achieve that,

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you're much more successful this small regardlessof what is on the tip of
your arrow. Amen on that andany other closing thoughts from either of you
individual, Scott, you got anythinghere you want to add for with close
out, I think it's very importantthat folks realize and understand that going to

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a good bow technician is worth itsweight and goat. And I want to
advocate for those folks like John andup Supply barge sale mills. When people
work on your car, they workon your house. You pay those folks,
so, you know, show outa little bit of money, become
a student of your equipment and insteadof this handing something over to them,

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pay attention to what they're doing,because a little tweak here and a little
tweak there can really make a bigdifference as far as how you'll look at
your archery equipment for the rest ofyour career. Absolutely, Dave, if
you will share with the audience howthey can reach you and all your social

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media contacts, yeah, we'll do, And thanks for having me on.
Jim and Scott really appreciate talking withyou guys this evening. But that was
a great conversation. So you canfind us at razor Broadhead dot com.
And you know, if you justwant to send us an email with any
inqueries or questions, you know,we would love to continue the conversation and

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about and the topics you've covered tonight, and you can shoot an email at
info at reasor Broadhead dot com.Fantastic, Well, we have covered a
lot of ground tonight, and againin the wrap up, I want to
state once again we're not advocating andshoot one type of head over another,
but the fact that we talked about, upon careful consideration, will make you

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a more lethal bow hunter, whichScott's point is what this is all about.
Hope you enjoyed the show tonight folktoday, Thanks so much for taking
Patomaps to visit with us tonight.I think it's been extremely informational. Again,
Razor Broadhead, God blessed everybody.