August 13, 2025 • 47 mins
"Learn Practice Master Begin Again" is Linn Boyke's motto when it comes to dogs.
Linn runs The School of Dog Psychology. I first saw Linn when he was on Cesar Millan's Dog Whisperer TV show--he was one of his students. Linn also indirectly helped me with my dog Fredo many years ago.
Give a listen and learn about Linn's path. Recently, he learned that he needs quadruple bypass heart surgery. I'm including a link to his Gofundme page to help him with the care of his dogs while he recuperates after his surgery.
To learn about Linn: LINNBOYKE.COM
To contribute to his fundraiser (no amount too small or large):
Support-Linn's-Lifesaving Heart Surgery and Thank You!
Linn runs The School of Dog Psychology. I first saw Linn when he was on Cesar Millan's Dog Whisperer TV show--he was one of his students. Linn also indirectly helped me with my dog Fredo many years ago.
Give a listen and learn about Linn's path. Recently, he learned that he needs quadruple bypass heart surgery. I'm including a link to his Gofundme page to help him with the care of his dogs while he recuperates after his surgery.
To learn about Linn: LINNBOYKE.COM
To contribute to his fundraiser (no amount too small or large):
Support-Linn's-Lifesaving Heart Surgery and Thank You!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's Maria's MutS and Stuff. What a great idea on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome to Maria's Mutts and Stuff. And with me, well,
it's a very special Maria's MutS and Stuff and I'll
explain why in a second.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
But with me is Lynn Boky and he's.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
A dog trainer, dog behaviorist, dog psychologist.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
So Lynn, you're all of those that I just mentioned.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Correct, Yeah, that everybody's got a label I wouldn't call myself.
I don't train dogs. I do work with dog psychology
a lot, but what I mainly do is I teach
people how to you know, really exist, coexist with their
other species dog, you know, and you know, I don't
(00:54):
really focus on the the obedience.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
You know, right we're out.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
About a command. It's really just a feeling how we
live together. These are the things we're going to do,
and let's do them in a cooperative way. I'm not
sure what the title would be anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I think that's a behaviorist, I think maybe okay, But
also and also, I mean you have your school of
dog psychology, so you also kind of a psychologist in
a sense, obviously for dogs, but I think also for people,
because you know, most dogs to me, like all dogs
are good. It's you know, bad parents like kids.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
But yeah, this is true. I do have to say that,
you know, I haven't been to any college to say
that I'm a psychologist in any way. So I don't
want to mislead anymore, right, No, I do. I just yeah,
I just really communicate with the dog, translate for the human,
and then interpret what's needed.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
So yeah, but yes, yes, that's what you do.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I don't like to call myself an expert or any
of that stuff, but.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Well, well yeah, I know, but I can call you
that because you know I can.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I can. So I have to give full, full disclosure.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So many many many years ago, when Caesar Milan had
his Dog Whisperer show on TV, which I watched religiously
and learned so much with my you know, and did
his techniques with the dog I had at a time,
which was like a ninety pound you know, mastiff bulldog
whatever he was, And I remember seeing you on the show.
(02:32):
And then years later, in twenty twelve, I rescued a
dog from Mississippi and he was reactive and he was fearful,
and I did not I never I never had a
fearful dog before, so it was a new experience for me,
and it just so happened at the time. I interviewed
Caesar and said, I would love to come to your center,
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but I'm in New York. I can't put this dog
on a plane. Help me, And he gave me Carl
z Ive, who I became good friends with. And Carl
made my dog Fredo into a wonderful, well behaved, socialized
dog until he passed away last year. And I know
that Carl trained with you, so it kind of went
(03:17):
full circle. So You've always had a very special place
in my heart because you helped me and help my
dog through Carl.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
So thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
The small small world, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Oh my god, it truly truly is. So when I
reached out.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
By the way, is one of my favorite students from
way back in the day. He's got such a great,
big heart. It's a good thing. He's got a great, big,
tall body.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yes, it is true, but so thank you. But let's
talk about you and how it all started for you.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
What started, well, your whole what.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
You do, your career, all the you know, all the knowledge,
all because you know you are definitely you know what
you're doing.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
So how did it all start for you?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Is this something you always wanted to do, always work
with dogs, or how.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Did it start?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
In a nutshell? I wanted to be an actor and
a writer. I was living in LA and I was
pursuing that, and I had two dogs, and one of them,
her name was Ginger, and just the sweetest thing in
the world. I would slowly start to wake up each
morning and you could hear this, don't, don't, don't, don't dump,
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dumping and everything. She was just staring at me while
I would sleep, and her tail would wag and bump
the bed. And when I wake up and I just
my world revolved around you know, this love that I
was getting really kind of for the first time where
it was just there was no reasoning, you know, no
I need something from you or have you know. I
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have a big thing for the the animals way they feel.
And uh and then she, you know, had like a
little heart attack in front of me and and and
passed and just altered. Yeah, that altered my life. I
started to this is so long ago. I'm gonna walk
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dogs for people who can't afford it. And this is
like before dog walking was really even a massive thing,
and I was walking them individually, you know door you know,
go into this, and I said, ok, I got a
full business. I should probably start charging now, and and
then I did, and and then I wanted to change
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that because you can only max out to so many
hours a day, which did anyway, and so then I
wanted to take you know, ten or more of them
together and go to the dog park so I could
do groups and do more dogs. And I started doing that,
and then I started packwalking, and then I I just
(06:01):
moved into the idea of training. We were talking about
that earlier, and I just didn't like the way things worked,
you know, in the dog training. It just didn't work
for the problems I was seeing with my dogs, the
dog that I was walking, and so I kind of
just I did do some obedience for a little while,
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and I just didn't like it, you know, shown up
to people's one hour every week, and then by third
week they're like, we didn't remember what could do. So
I didn't do it, and I'm like, okay, I'm out
of this. And so I started to packwalk dogs. And
that's about the time when I met Caesar and I
took a dog to him. That was a client's dog
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that i'd been walking working. Instead of going once a week,
I started going every day, five days a week, and
on the weekends I would let them work the dog,
show them what to do with the dog, and then
I would come back on the Monday. I worked with
this dog for it was a big row while. So
I still have this huge scar on my wrist that
I called the Caesar scar because without that dog, without
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that happening, I wouldn't have met Caesar. And when I
when I went to my client and said, hey, look,
I'm not going to be able to get your dog
where we want. No quit on me. I didn't say
I was quitting, right, you know, I just said I
can't dog. Don't quit. And I'm like, now, you know.
The dog park Barrington dog Park in LA was like
my office and my little pond. And I heard somebody
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in there one day talking about this guy a dog whisper,
and I was like how In my own mind, I
was like, how dare you talk about somebody else in
my pond. Anyway, she didn't even have a dog. She
just worked at the VA and would go over to
the dog park for her lunch. Visits, and so after
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I told my client I was gonna, you know, help
her find somebody heard about a guy you know, dog
was might just be a business name or something, but
let me find out. So I went back to the
dog park every day all day looking for this lady.
About two weeks later I ran into her and she says, oh,
I got to find the number. And then that was
another two weeks.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
And then finally, yeah, finally I made it out to
his facility. I know a long story.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
No, it's a great story. No, no, no, that's what
I wanted to know. It's a great story. Well go ahead,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
So I show up at Caesar's place in South Central
with my client and I told my client, hey, look,
don't tell this guy. I'm a trainer. And if I
back up a little bit, when I wanted to do
dog training, I went up to some dog trainers and say, hey, look,
you know, can I follow you around? I don't breed competition.
(08:52):
Again and again again. So I just started taking client
dogs and paying dog trainers and spending however many weeks
their program was and always like this is ridiculous. So
I was gun shy and I said don't tell him
that I am a dog trainer. He won't work with us.
Just tell him I'm your dog walker. So he opened
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up that big gate just like you've seen.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And yeah the TV show.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, and there was all those dogs, and you know,
we had Elvis that's the name of the rottweiler in
the car. And I'm like, yeah, I don't know if
you're gonna be able to do this, you know, because
here's the scar, here's this story. And he's okay, okay,
and went over and got Elvis out of the vehicle,
(09:40):
walked up. He didn't go he didn't do it like
you see some of the magic stuff where he just
lets him run into the.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Oh of course, yes, of course, yes, it's a process.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
No, okay, he does do that, but he's got to
and it's a feeling. You have an instinctual feeling about
this dog and your pack and so. But Elvis is
pretty intense. So he did take Elvis inside with the
fifty dogs, but he didn't let it. He didn't let
him off the leash. And I was just I was
(10:11):
blown away that he could even walk up on the gate. Sure,
the weeks that I'd worked with Elvis and when he
took him in there, I couldn't hear or see anything
else but me saying, when can I come back? When
can I come back? When can I come back? When
can I come back? Because it was the answer to
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everything that I had been looking for, and so he
let me come back. You know, I got to go
on a couple of big tack walks with him, and then,
you know, I'm what you would call a pineapple. You know,
everybody likes pineapple, but they go to the store and
they bypassed the pineapple and go over to where it's
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already cut up because the pineapple is very abrasive and
sharp on the top and so but inside him, yes,
but I can wear I can wear on people. And
after a while, you know, he was like, go away,
you know, don't come back. Why are you coming here?
(11:12):
You know? But I would show up. I would I
would stop work in the middle of the day and
just sit outside the facility, and sometimes he would come out.
I'd see him for the time I was there, and
he goes, what are you doing here? Go away? And
sometimes I wouldn't see him at all, you know, for
a couple of hours, and then sometimes he'd open it
up the gate and he'd go, what are you doing here?
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And I'm like frenching and he's like, come on in,
and I'm like, what is going on? Anyway? So I
I grew on him a little bit.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I was going to say that, yeah, it sounds like
you did.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Right, very persistently.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Well you were determined, Yes, you were determined.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yet anyone listening, do not do that to me, do
not show up at my place, right. So I started
going there a lot and working with him. You know,
he he didn't really teach me. And I know that
sounds bad, but it's not what you think because he
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I mean, he it was real early is saying. So
he wasn't speaking English as well as he does now.
And you know, I'm another guy that you put in
the category of the outphu thing, you know, and two guys,
two guys around each other. We just didn't talk much
because I didn't want to ask a question to look stupid.
(12:34):
He didn't know what to ask. I mean, one day,
this is this is how much Caesar knows but doesn't know.
And he says, am, I am I not a good teacher.
And you know, first of all, whether he was a
good teacher or not. I was, no, you've got so much,
you have no idea. He goes, but you keep coming
back like that he has when he gives you information.
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I don't know if inside his brain he believes that
you now know, but he doesn't. He doesn't know how
much we need more we need from him, But it
was that was an amazing moment in my life when
he said that to me. And I'm like, but he
didn't really teach. We just were quiet. So I'll give
you an example. I tell this to Everybody's funny. He
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would We're sitting there watching all the dogs. He lean forward.
He'd be quiet, and he goes, did you see that?
And I'd say no, and he would go and walk away.
I'm like, what what in the heck? And it might
be two weeks before I came back again. He's lean
forward in did you see that? And I go no,
and he goes so, and then it might be another
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two or three weeks. And then after that, you know,
I just started watching everything he did. And when he
would lean forward like that, I'd look in the general direction.
He'd say did you see that? And I wasn't going
to say no this time, so I would say yes,
I did, but I don't know what I saw, and
boom he would start talking about. I'm like, well that's
the combination. Why didn't you just tell me that? You know?
(14:07):
I was? I really, I really learned dog psychology like
a dog, right, because he doesn't talk to the dogs.
He just does things right, follow, follow or not. And
fortunately for me, the way I was raised, I'm hyper
aware of things and vigilant, and no matter how bad
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that that childhood was, it gave me skills that had
become instinctual, when they're not even skills, they're just instinctual reactions.
So everything that I was learning started to amplify because
it was so similar to everything I didn't know I
already knew. And as that started to happen, I became
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better and better and better at every single thing. And
now I've I've even got my own way of doing things.
And that's I mean no offense to Caesar at all.
I don't use a single word of his language or
any of that. I do things completely different. But from
the dog's point of view, they're exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
The same, right, I get that.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, it's just he talked to I think his first interview.
They said asked him what he thinks the biggest problem
Erica was, and he said, we humanize the dogs, and
that right there is true. What I do is I
humanize dog's psychology so that I can teach the people.
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So I give them the human version of what's actually happening,
and then if they grasp that, I can go deeper
into the understanding with the dog. And I just feel
like that's been my my connection or my hook or
my base, be able to get people to understand, and
that's that's what I do.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, I mean it sounds like that Caesar gave you.
You learn the basics, but then you kind of honed
it into your own individual way.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, my own, my own way of doing it everything.
Because you know, when you look at when you watch
the show, he's very controversial because Caesar is like a
method actor, you know, like Anthony Hopkins. Nobody would go
near him in between takes because they thought he was
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he was, you know, so Caesar does everything from an
animal dog point of view, and some people in the
world have found it to be They said it's abusive.
So I went out of my way to show it's
not abusive. But you don't have to go that what
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Caesar's doing, and I actually found it teaching people that way.
They would just take their own understanding of what they
watched me do and they would do it at their
skill level, and then it would look like abuse, and
so I stopped showing people what I can do like
what you see on Caesar show. He's amazing. It's instantaneous.
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It isn't just cut now. Hey, look the turkey's done.
See I have pulled it out of the other and
already you know, if you understand the Cooking Show reference
from back in the day, they prepare it and then
pull it out.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And call it out like, wow, that was amazingly fast.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Ye right, he is amazing, so instinctual. Unfortunately for me
and my experience over these last twenty some odd years,
watching people try to they don't. It's like kids. They
don't do what you say to do. They do what
you do. And so if you tell him not to cuss,
and you say stop fucking cussing, I apologize.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
That's okay. You can say that's okay, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, we're good with that, and the kid's gonna say,
why the fuck can't I cry? Right, So, over the years,
because I'm a very pattern based person of the years.
I'm showing everybody what I can do. Why isn't Why
aren't people able to do it? Because they don't have
either the instinctual they don't have the ability of physical
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ability or the agility athletic ability. And both Caesar and
I both have martial arts background, so everything we do
is precision anyway. Sure, and and so I've watched it
and I'm like, that's not what That's not what I
showed you. I know, that's your version of what I show.
So now I don't even with trainers. When I teach
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dog trainers, I don't show them anything from but from
zero all the way to one hundred and you know
anybody who needs to. And in the dog training world
they call it corrections or punishment as no, that's that's
that's not what we're doing, you know. And so I
do it. It's slow, spoticle and I point out everything that. Okay,
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see how this is about ready to there it goes,
So why are we waiting until that happens? When we
know that's going to happen. Let me back up here,
So you don't have to do anything physical or psychological.
It's all psychological, but something that's less intrusive. So I'm
just making everybody slow down. If I see somebody that has,
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you know, an ability beyond you know, if I see
potential in them, well sure, then I'll escalate there, or
I'll advance their education. You're ready for level ten? Teaching
everybody from one ready for level ten now is I'll
teach that to you now. But I just I just
found that people attempting to do what they see Caesar
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or myself do from their point of view or their
understanding of it, has over time, I think, been bad
for dogs in a lot of cases. You got these
dog trainers that are just YouTube university and Instagram trained.
They just watched these two minute videos and I look
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at it and I'm like, oh my god, that's not
even close to what he's supposed to be doing. And
so I get scared looking at the future for dogs
in that way. But for me, in a nutshell, my
whole process. I mean, I spent after I was learning
with Caesar and then his show got really big, to
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the point where I didn't even get to see him
that often. I did work with a lot of the
dogs and that were on the show, and when he'd
bring them in and he'd have to do the travel whoever,
they would come to me and I would help them,
and then I would help the person on the show
after the show was over or what have you. I
did do a lot of that, but I wouldn't see
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Caesar very often. And so I took about almost ten
years to live in a kennel environment, no kitchen, no relationships,
And I was twenty four to seven. Wow, And I
just studied and studied and studied and studied and studied.
My room was, you know, three or four times bigger
than what the dog run was. But it's only because
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I'm a human, right clothes, I have clothes to wear otherwise,
and a TV otherwise. I had a dog run myself,
and my run was right next to I just opened
the door and everybody else's runner was right there. So
I was very I stayed in very in tune with
every sound, every action, every react, everything that they did.
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I was paying Did you see that in That's that
says one of the things that I got to pay attention, right, Really,
you gotta pay attention. It's it's not about the aggression
of the fear. It's about for me. It's about the
emotion that they're experiencing how long they've experienced that for
I can't tell you when you're afraid that you're you're
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not afraid, right, you come on, you're not afraid. Stop it. No,
whatever you're looking at, I'm looking at. But the way
you're looking at it, you perceive it as a threat
and you're afraid, or or a dog gets aggressive. Whatever
that dog is looking at, it's mindset and practice of
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the same action has been that that's a threat. So
we can't tell him. We can't punish the dog. We
have to change the way that they perceive, of course,
and that is if you take a dog, you see
these trainers taking him into the into the deep end
of it and punishing, punishing, But all that does.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Is suppress the dog.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, he learns that I can't do it while you're around,
I'll do it, yeah, or I got to do it faster. Yeah,
you're gonna attack me. So my my way is to
show at every possible angle of the thing that you
need to feel threatened by attack. We're threatened by it,
to feel like you have to shut down or run away.
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I want you to see every angle, So that the
next time you see something like that, you have another
choice besides shutting down, running or attacking. This is another choice.
And I don't ever want to stop a dog from
doing its behavior. I want to give it another behavior
to choose from. And that's where I think if everybody
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could get onto that, that page, you know, should see
a much quicker turnaround that. I mean that that alone.
I'm not trying to stop your dog's behavior. I don't
want to. They can do one thing at a time only.
So whatever they're doing while that scene is present or
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happening unfolding, right, that's all they know. So let's give
them something else to do to learn in front of
that steen or environment or situation that's happening. Oh. I
always thought that I had to do this because that's
all I've ever done. Right, So now I can do
I can go up and smell it and see that
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it's really not a threat. I cann't know. Let me
get my pen so it's slowing down, is what I
ultimately learned and continue to learn. My motto is learned, practice, master,
begin again. Right.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
I was going to say ask you about that.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yes, you'll never hear me say I'm an expert. As
an expert, mind is full. I want to grow, and
when I get to a level that it's saturated, I'm
gonna dump it out and go to another area fill
it up again. It's all right, It's the only way
to continue to grow.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
No, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
So I mean, from all these years of doing it,
do you think with most people, is it I don't
want to say laziness, but they want to quick fix
if there's a something.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I know, But I mean, but what right?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yes, it's true, but I mean when it comes to
a dog, yes it's a quick fix. But you might
want that, but you're not dealing with another human, You're
dealing with a dog. I mean, do you think is it?
It is a problem? Like I always think, and this
is just me as a civilian that I know about dogs,
but I always feel that people don't when I see
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people doing stuff with their dogs.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
And I'm not going to interrupt and say why are
you doing that?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Because it's not my job and people are crazy and
I'm not going to die over that. But the point
that I think, my thing is I don't think people
pay attention to their dog's body language and what the
dog is communicating and I as as a civilian, that
I think is the biggest problem with people and their dogs.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Am I accurate with that? Am I close to it?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
You're in the area a little bit?
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Good? Earlier you asked something about dog psychologists. Yes, well,
I'm not a professionally educated or whatever psychologists. But if
you're going to learn dog psychology, you still have to
learn human psychology because humans own the dogs, and dogs
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are considered property. But people call them their family or
their brother, their sister, their child until they cause so
much problems and then they become a dog, right, And
so a lot of the times it is back to
Caesar's humanizing dogs. So when we watch the dog's body language,
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for instance, all those shame videos that you see, you know,
where the dog's torn something up three hours before somebody
arrives and the people are upset. The dog doesn't know
that it did that, right, it's just trying to appease
your current wrath, and so they've recorded, and so he
knows he did something wrong. So the problem is is
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that humans are looking at the body language and they're
interpreting it in a human way instead of in a
dog way. And so the biggest, most concerning problem is
the lack of understanding, and this lack of understanding creates
a level of confusion that then builds into big levels
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of frustration that causes anger. And every movement that you
make while you're angry, whether you abuse your dog or not,
is perceived, you know, aggressive, And it doesn't matter if
you hit the dog. If you yell, stand and over
and yell at them, they feel like they're being attacked.
And so it's really a human's responsibility to I didn't
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know that I had to have insurance for my car, right,
you know, or officer, my car has never done that before.
It doesn't I don't know how it hit that person. No,
you're driving, and whether it's a dog, a live being,
you're the owner operator of this, you know, considered property
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even though it's a life, it's it's the human thing. Oh,
I can have kids, will just have it. I can
have a dog, so will just have one. It's a
massive responsibility. And they're they're semi domesticated territorial predators, and
so when they're not being provided for with the right
(28:26):
outlets in the parts of them that need it, then
these other things come out because it's it's deficient. And
so you take a wild animal put them at home,
you're going to see a lot of aggression because they're
not used to that. So you take a domesticated dog,
put them in a home and give them no outlets,
you're going to see the same outcome. Yeah, because yeah,
(28:49):
So the biggest problem, in my opinion, is it comes
from the frustration and agnar that you know, derived from
the confusion, which is just the lack of understanding, and
that falls on the humans shoulders to understand. So anytime
that your dog is doing something you don't like, everybody
(29:11):
in the world has either said it or heard it
that dogs just want to please. And if that is
the code, why are we continuing to tell the dogs
what doesn't please us, don't do that, stop doing that.
Why are you doing that? Why are you even asking
a dog a question? So the point is is that
when we get emotional, everything clouds over and then we
(29:35):
just react and then get we come down from that,
and then our dog looks apologetic and so we either
feel guilty and pet them or get more angry with them.
And so the dogs are living in a constant state
of confusion, but they're constantly wanting if they could read.
You give me something that I can read to learn
(29:55):
about humans, I'll do it and now watch it, rewatch it,
read it, highlight it, they'll take notes, they'll put it
in jet chet GPT for a bullet points. They would
do that. Yeah, but people people only say they'll.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Do that, right, But a dog will.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah, but a dog will.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
That's really in my opinion, that the problem is the
It's not that people are lazy m m. It's that
they overwhelm themselves with so many things and by the
time they actually see an error or the problem is
causing them extra problems. Well, now I don't have time,
and now I don't have money. Now I don't know
what to do. I can't do well, you know, yeah,
(30:36):
that's not good. It's never the dog's never, ever the
dog's fault, even if it's the most aggressive dog in
the world that was created by a human, right right.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
So yeah, well, it's like I said earlier, I don't
think there are bad dogs.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
It's bad parenting, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Kids, Yes, exactly, but sometimes you get a genetic form.
I mean, just like anybody you know, yeah that has
a child that suddenly wants to set fires or something
that necessarily the parents fall.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
No, that's not that's true parents.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
It becomes the parents fault in the denials.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Exactly years correct.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Of setting little fires and having connections to get him
off the hook here and paying for that. And it's
instead of addressing correct the problem immediately, they allow it
to grow until it is to the point where it's
affecting others.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
That's yeah, No, I get.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
That denial is really more the thing than laziness, but
then laziness does come in.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Sorry, no, no, no, don't don't. That's exactly what I'm thinking. No,
don't apologize at all. It's at You're absolutely correct on that.
It is denial, definitely. So I know for listeners they
can always visit your website.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
It's lynnbok dot com l I and n b O
and same for Instagram linn Boki.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yes, yes, which I religiously watch your videos and like
them just so you know.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
But so let's well, yes, and which brings me to.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Another reason why I wanted to talk to you today,
because as I learned on your Instagram that you now
have a go Fundme page for some for a health situation.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
So yeah, how are you feeling well today? I feel
pretty good at this moment, but it comes in and
out because just so everybody who doesn't know, I have
to have a quadruple bypass surgery, and if you don't
know what that is, it's literally an open art surgery.
I have all three arteries are almost that go into
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the heart are almost closed. And there's five other veiny
vessels or whatever you want to call them inside the
heart that are almost one of them is completely closed.
They have to take veins from my leg to put
in there and cleared out. And so, uh, yeah, I
had another short story long eight about eight years ago
(33:11):
I knew something. I was a pretty and I'm not
patting myself on the back. I was pretty athletic, a
very very athletic. And eight years ago I just started
not having any drive and all that, and like, what's
going on. I'd go to doctor after doctor, get this test,
that test, always something you know, nothing's wrong with you,
(33:33):
nothing's right, and they'd start judging me because I keep
coming in. So I'd get a new health care practitioner
and till they wouldn't do it. I mean, they would
do the test if I asked them, but they the
spaces that they give me until I found this new
one that I've been with for the last few years.
Even though they could not find anything wrong. I mean,
I did every I mean everything from line's disease tests
(33:57):
to every kind of ultrasound and blood test, this and
EKG that and a lot a lot of it was
expensive to do again and again and again, but they
just kept telling me it's in your head. You're depressed,
you're anxious, and I go, look, I suffer from chronic depression,
(34:18):
so I know what depression is. This is not. However,
I'm becoming depressed each time you guys tell me there's
nothing wrong with me. So I suffer again and again,
and finally, my current health care practitioner sheet so let's
go into the bigger tests, you know. So we were
(34:40):
doing those where they want to put die in your
veins and all that stuff, and finally I was doing
the stress test and I had a It was about
six months ago that I had my first mild heart attack,
and on the on the treadmill, I was starting to
have a heart attack and they wanted me to go
(35:01):
to an emergency right then, and they wanted to call
an ambulance and I said, see you later, Like, no,
You've got to go to the emergency. I was like, no,
I've got to get home and find a place for
my dogs first, because I would not be able to
live with myself if I went to the hospital and
you know, I survived and they didn't. That's what I
(35:23):
did first. I was very fortunate to find, uh, you know,
close people to take in all of my dogs and
I don't have to worry about that at all. Then
I went in. I went, I went to the emergency room,
and they immediately wanted to do this well, I can't
remember what they called. They stuck a camera in one
(35:45):
of my arteries and and they went in by the
heart and they were hoping, and this would have been
the best case scenario that they would just put a
stint in there and open up the vein. But once
they got in there, you know they they are. They
pulled it out really go all whispering, all the fast movement.
I'm like, oh, what's going on? And they told me
(36:08):
that I have to have this big surgery and that
if I don't then I'll most likely have another heart
attack if not died before. And so I've I've been waiting,
and unfortunately, I'm one of those guys that I don't know,
this might be too much, but I didn't get it.
I didn't have insurance, and so that's that's been the
(36:31):
issue to get my date for the surgery. But if
I have another episode, I'm supposed to go straight to
the emergency and then I won't have to wait for
a date. They'll just do the operation.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
And that's where the gofundmes can help correct.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yes, because I'm not allowed. They don't want me to
do more than two miles of any kind of walking.
I don't mean in a row all in one day.
I'm not allowed to do anything. Sure, it's really.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
That's hard for you. I'm sure very difficult. You're not
used to.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
That, very yeah, no, but you know, I mean I
got used to it because the last two years all
I did was sleep for fifteen eighteen hour days.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
And I basically I'm not a quitter. No, you're not.
I'm a very athletic. But I felt like maybe I was,
you know, gaslighted into believing that it was me. So
since their every test I did was coming back this
and that, and I just laid there and thinking oh,
let me know, just go sleep and not wake up
(37:40):
terribly close to as close to quitting as I've ever
come in my life. Right. And so once I once
they stabilized me at the hospital, I got out of
there as fast as possible to make sure that I
got everything here set up before I go back to
have this operation. Sure that is going to really incapacitate
(38:04):
me for a long, long time. Some different stories on
whether it's going to be quick recovery or a long recovery.
Certainly going to be a stressful, painful one in the beginning.
But I'm all right with that now that I now
that I know, that was the biggest thing.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, and being told.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
I was wrong, Yeah, of course you're wrong.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Wrong, wrong, wrong, Now that's frustrating. Yeah, well, it's very frustrating,
especially for somebody who I love, being wrong so that
I could learn how to never be wrong in that
department again. But I know something, I knew something was wrong.
I'm I'm, I'm like I was like a energizer bunny,
you know, never stop. And now all of a sudden,
(38:49):
I'm most yes, I knew something was wrong. And here's
the thing that I found out from this what do
they call that angelogram?
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Oh yeah, an angiogram.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Well they clad God, they didn't go through my girl,
and they went into the risk. Technology is really good.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
It's amazing, right, Yeah, Yes, what I.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Found out because I complained to the surgeons say hey, man,
I did every test for years, and they said, well,
you're kind of an anomaly because with your you know,
what's what you have going on. Your heart shouldn't be
functioning well at all. But my heart is functioning well.
It just doesn't have enough blood getting in there to
(39:30):
you know, keep me as an energizer bunny. So all
my tests on the heart were not wrong, they just
weren't looking at the right place it was causing the problem.
So for me telling me that it's just weird that
you have a really good functioning heart because all of
other clients with this patience with this problem don't gives
(39:52):
me great hope because all we do, all we need
to do now is clear the pipes out, put the
new ones in, and then never allow that stuff to
happen again, you know, through diet, and you know that's
going to be that's like really huge because I don't
have to recover the heart. So much. I just have
to recover the process of getting blood to the heart,
(40:13):
which to me was like half the battle exactly.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
No, I would think, and I think it's probably because
you took care of yourself in the sense that you
have been athletic your whole life, I think.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
But I wasn't always good. I mean, if I my
next personal post, I'm going to do it the first
party with my shirt off, because when I get done
with this, I'm going to be just as big advocate
for your anybody's health that's wanting to watch and learn
as I am for dogs emotions in their psychology. Because
if you look at me, you would think, no, now,
(40:45):
you got nothing wrong with you. It doesn't matter if
you're overweight or I mean, I have not done anything
physical in years, and I look like I just came
out of the gym. That's not me, Brad, No, it's
just the way. Yeah. Yeah, And you still need to take.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Care of yourself, of course.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
No, I get that, and that's what I want to
make sure everybody understands. It's never too late.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
No, of course not.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
If I get a second shot at life right now.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
And you will, you are energy.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah, if I get half the energy I had. Oh man,
look out world.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Well I think you will. I think you will.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
No, I do. That's what the statistics say, is that
there is. The surgery is supposed to have great results.
Now tell me, after you get done with this, you
can't go back to just doing eating all the stuff
that you did before. They've had people come in in
less than two years to have to have another bypass
surgery because they go right back to doing what they're doing.
(41:47):
That to me is just idiot.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Well it is, it is.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
I've been wanting to know what's wrong with me so
I can fix it. Now that I know, I'm never
letting that happen again, of course, never.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
I know, And I I think that you won't let
that happen. And I think that you're going to be
just as determined as you've been all these years with
dogs that you're going to apply it to you.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
That's right, I do.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
I do, and I don't.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
I don't know you personally, but what I know of you,
I think that's what you're going to do.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
If that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, I've heard the legends too, lockedest monster. Like I said,
I'm a pineapple.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
I just look like no.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Well inside I'm sweet, I swear yeah, all right, intention
yes you are ultimately yeah, no, you are really what
the GoFundMe is for, so that I can recover without stress, of.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Course, and have your dogs get taken care of. Yes,
it's the whole, it's everything. So that's why I wanted
to talk to you too, to help get you some
donations for it.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Well, that would be amazing. Well, I already don't even
know how to think the people who've already donated, you know,
it's just well, you don't know me. You haven't. You
haven't met me before, especially the last two years, but
right now anybody who has and knows me, and they're like,
oh my god, you sound so different because now I
(43:10):
know that there's a there's an end to this, and
that means there's a beginning, new beginning, and I can't wait.
But you know, not being able to do anything is
you know, Unfortunately this world does revolve around money. I'm
not a bling, bling guy that's got to show anything off,
but unfortunately it's necessary to have in order.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
To keep do things right right.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
And I know right that that you aren't a fan
of the gofund me, but it's you have people who love.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
You and want to help you, and that's okay. You
need to accept that.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
And that's That's another big thing I've been doing is
accepting good. Okay, you can clean my house. You're not
allowed to move. I'll clean it. Like, oh my god,
this is I don't even like people in my house.
I'm sure people are talking to me, touching me, but
looking at me, and now I have to I got
these people that are doing it all for the right reasons,
(44:04):
and it feels good.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
It's just it's hard. I know it's hard for you.
I get it. I get it. But it's okay. It's okay,
and you are accepting it, and you know the end
will justify the means. It's all good. It's all in
the right direction.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
So for those who are listening, there are two ways
that you can donate. You can just go to go
fund me, and if you put in Linn's name, the
page comes up and it's l i n N b
O y k E. Or you can actually put in
it's support dash Linz l i n n apostrophe s
life Saving heart Surgery, so that's the name of the GoFundMe.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
So you have two ways, but either way.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yes, if you go to Instagram, it's in my it's
in your Instagram as well.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Yes, in my bio there you can hit that. That's
the third way, but yes, that's th way telling everybody.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Well, you know, like I said, I I don't know you,
but I do know you, and I'm very very grateful
to you for you know, teaching Carl and Carl helping me.
And I've been a fan of yours for many many years,
even before I knew Carl.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
So go figure that. You know, it's a small world,
and it's everything goes.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Everything in life is a circle, right, It all goes
from the beginning and it just it's a circle. So
so I appreciate you, and I appreciate all your time
and all your knowledge, and I just wish you the best,
and I know everything is going to be great and
you have a whole new beginning after you have this surgery.
So for those, like I said, you can go to
(45:38):
Lin's Instagram page. You can go to his website too
to learn all about him. It's l I N N
B O y k E dot com. You can go
to go fundme and just put his name in, or
you can go to go fundme and it's support dash
Lin's life saving heart surgery. When I post this interview,
I'll also put the link so it'll be easy for
people to donate. So Lynn, thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
We'll have to have a We'll have to have a
part two when I come out of this.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Oh my goodness, I was thinking the same thing. I
would love that.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Yes, yes, I'm going to document as much of the
struggle as I can, Okay, just to show people that
you don't want to mess around with this stuff, sure
you know, and and then also hopefully motivate people because
I'm I'm not a quitter. You are. I pushed through
this and it's gonna suck, but it's going to have
(46:28):
a big, bright, shining rainbow or sun exactly.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Right, and it's only gonna suck for a short amount
of time, remember that.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Yep, yep?
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Okay, Well, Lynn.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Thank you for having me on here.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Absolutely, thank you, thank you for talking and sharing and
and just thank you, thank you for all you do
and nothing but the best. And we are definitely going
to talk again.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
All right, cool again,
It's Maria's MutS and Stuff. What a great idea on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Welcome to Maria's Mutts and Stuff. And with me, well,
it's a very special Maria's MutS and Stuff and I'll
explain why in a second.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
But with me is Lynn Boky and he's.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
A dog trainer, dog behaviorist, dog psychologist.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
So Lynn, you're all of those that I just mentioned.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Correct, Yeah, that everybody's got a label I wouldn't call myself.
I don't train dogs. I do work with dog psychology
a lot, but what I mainly do is I teach
people how to you know, really exist, coexist with their
other species dog, you know, and you know, I don't
(00:54):
really focus on the the obedience.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
You know, right we're out.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
About a command. It's really just a feeling how we
live together. These are the things we're going to do,
and let's do them in a cooperative way. I'm not
sure what the title would be anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I think that's a behaviorist, I think maybe okay, But
also and also, I mean you have your school of
dog psychology, so you also kind of a psychologist in
a sense, obviously for dogs, but I think also for people,
because you know, most dogs to me, like all dogs
are good. It's you know, bad parents like kids.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
But yeah, this is true. I do have to say that,
you know, I haven't been to any college to say
that I'm a psychologist in any way. So I don't
want to mislead anymore, right, No, I do. I just yeah,
I just really communicate with the dog, translate for the human,
and then interpret what's needed.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
So yeah, but yes, yes, that's what you do.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I don't like to call myself an expert or any
of that stuff, but.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Well, well yeah, I know, but I can call you
that because you know I can.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I can. So I have to give full, full disclosure.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So many many many years ago, when Caesar Milan had
his Dog Whisperer show on TV, which I watched religiously
and learned so much with my you know, and did
his techniques with the dog I had at a time,
which was like a ninety pound you know, mastiff bulldog
whatever he was, And I remember seeing you on the show.
(02:32):
And then years later, in twenty twelve, I rescued a
dog from Mississippi and he was reactive and he was fearful,
and I did not I never I never had a
fearful dog before, so it was a new experience for me,
and it just so happened at the time. I interviewed
Caesar and said, I would love to come to your center,
(02:54):
but I'm in New York. I can't put this dog
on a plane. Help me, And he gave me Carl
z Ive, who I became good friends with. And Carl
made my dog Fredo into a wonderful, well behaved, socialized
dog until he passed away last year. And I know
that Carl trained with you, so it kind of went
(03:17):
full circle. So You've always had a very special place
in my heart because you helped me and help my
dog through Carl.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
So thank you.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
The small small world, isn't it?
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Oh my god, it truly truly is. So when I
reached out.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
By the way, is one of my favorite students from
way back in the day. He's got such a great,
big heart. It's a good thing. He's got a great, big,
tall body.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yes, it is true, but so thank you. But let's
talk about you and how it all started for you.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
What started, well, your whole what.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
You do, your career, all the you know, all the knowledge,
all because you know you are definitely you know what
you're doing.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
So how did it all start for you?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Is this something you always wanted to do, always work
with dogs, or how.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Did it start?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
In a nutshell? I wanted to be an actor and
a writer. I was living in LA and I was
pursuing that, and I had two dogs, and one of them,
her name was Ginger, and just the sweetest thing in
the world. I would slowly start to wake up each
morning and you could hear this, don't, don't, don't, don't dump,
(04:33):
dumping and everything. She was just staring at me while
I would sleep, and her tail would wag and bump
the bed. And when I wake up and I just
my world revolved around you know, this love that I
was getting really kind of for the first time where
it was just there was no reasoning, you know, no
I need something from you or have you know. I
(04:56):
have a big thing for the the animals way they feel.
And uh and then she, you know, had like a
little heart attack in front of me and and and
passed and just altered. Yeah, that altered my life. I
started to this is so long ago. I'm gonna walk
(05:18):
dogs for people who can't afford it. And this is
like before dog walking was really even a massive thing,
and I was walking them individually, you know door you know,
go into this, and I said, ok, I got a
full business. I should probably start charging now, and and
then I did, and and then I wanted to change
(05:39):
that because you can only max out to so many
hours a day, which did anyway, and so then I
wanted to take you know, ten or more of them
together and go to the dog park so I could
do groups and do more dogs. And I started doing that,
and then I started packwalking, and then I I just
(06:01):
moved into the idea of training. We were talking about
that earlier, and I just didn't like the way things worked,
you know, in the dog training. It just didn't work
for the problems I was seeing with my dogs, the
dog that I was walking, and so I kind of
just I did do some obedience for a little while,
(06:23):
and I just didn't like it, you know, shown up
to people's one hour every week, and then by third
week they're like, we didn't remember what could do. So
I didn't do it, and I'm like, okay, I'm out
of this. And so I started to packwalk dogs. And
that's about the time when I met Caesar and I
took a dog to him. That was a client's dog
(06:46):
that i'd been walking working. Instead of going once a week,
I started going every day, five days a week, and
on the weekends I would let them work the dog,
show them what to do with the dog, and then
I would come back on the Monday. I worked with
this dog for it was a big row while. So
I still have this huge scar on my wrist that
I called the Caesar scar because without that dog, without
(07:09):
that happening, I wouldn't have met Caesar. And when I
when I went to my client and said, hey, look,
I'm not going to be able to get your dog
where we want. No quit on me. I didn't say
I was quitting, right, you know, I just said I
can't dog. Don't quit. And I'm like, now, you know.
The dog park Barrington dog Park in LA was like
my office and my little pond. And I heard somebody
(07:35):
in there one day talking about this guy a dog whisper,
and I was like how In my own mind, I
was like, how dare you talk about somebody else in
my pond. Anyway, she didn't even have a dog. She
just worked at the VA and would go over to
the dog park for her lunch. Visits, and so after
(07:55):
I told my client I was gonna, you know, help
her find somebody heard about a guy you know, dog
was might just be a business name or something, but
let me find out. So I went back to the
dog park every day all day looking for this lady.
About two weeks later I ran into her and she says, oh,
I got to find the number. And then that was
another two weeks.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
And then finally, yeah, finally I made it out to
his facility. I know a long story.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
No, it's a great story. No, no, no, that's what
I wanted to know. It's a great story. Well go ahead,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
So I show up at Caesar's place in South Central
with my client and I told my client, hey, look,
don't tell this guy. I'm a trainer. And if I
back up a little bit, when I wanted to do
dog training, I went up to some dog trainers and say, hey, look,
you know, can I follow you around? I don't breed competition.
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Again and again again. So I just started taking client
dogs and paying dog trainers and spending however many weeks
their program was and always like this is ridiculous. So
I was gun shy and I said don't tell him
that I am a dog trainer. He won't work with us.
Just tell him I'm your dog walker. So he opened
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up that big gate just like you've seen.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And yeah the TV show.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, and there was all those dogs, and you know,
we had Elvis that's the name of the rottweiler in
the car. And I'm like, yeah, I don't know if
you're gonna be able to do this, you know, because
here's the scar, here's this story. And he's okay, okay,
and went over and got Elvis out of the vehicle,
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walked up. He didn't go he didn't do it like
you see some of the magic stuff where he just
lets him run into the.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Oh of course, yes, of course, yes, it's a process.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
No, okay, he does do that, but he's got to
and it's a feeling. You have an instinctual feeling about
this dog and your pack and so. But Elvis is
pretty intense. So he did take Elvis inside with the
fifty dogs, but he didn't let it. He didn't let
him off the leash. And I was just I was
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blown away that he could even walk up on the gate. Sure,
the weeks that I'd worked with Elvis and when he
took him in there, I couldn't hear or see anything
else but me saying, when can I come back? When
can I come back? When can I come back? When
can I come back? Because it was the answer to
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everything that I had been looking for, and so he
let me come back. You know, I got to go
on a couple of big tack walks with him, and then,
you know, I'm what you would call a pineapple. You know,
everybody likes pineapple, but they go to the store and
they bypassed the pineapple and go over to where it's
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already cut up because the pineapple is very abrasive and
sharp on the top and so but inside him, yes,
but I can wear I can wear on people. And
after a while, you know, he was like, go away,
you know, don't come back. Why are you coming here?
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You know? But I would show up. I would I
would stop work in the middle of the day and
just sit outside the facility, and sometimes he would come out.
I'd see him for the time I was there, and
he goes, what are you doing here? Go away? And
sometimes I wouldn't see him at all, you know, for
a couple of hours, and then sometimes he'd open it
up the gate and he'd go, what are you doing here?
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And I'm like frenching and he's like, come on in,
and I'm like, what is going on? Anyway? So I
I grew on him a little bit.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
I was going to say that, yeah, it sounds like
you did.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Right, very persistently.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Well you were determined, Yes, you were determined.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yet anyone listening, do not do that to me, do
not show up at my place, right. So I started
going there a lot and working with him. You know,
he he didn't really teach me. And I know that
sounds bad, but it's not what you think because he
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I mean, he it was real early is saying. So
he wasn't speaking English as well as he does now.
And you know, I'm another guy that you put in
the category of the outphu thing, you know, and two guys,
two guys around each other. We just didn't talk much
because I didn't want to ask a question to look stupid.
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He didn't know what to ask. I mean, one day,
this is this is how much Caesar knows but doesn't know.
And he says, am, I am I not a good teacher.
And you know, first of all, whether he was a
good teacher or not. I was, no, you've got so much,
you have no idea. He goes, but you keep coming
back like that he has when he gives you information.
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I don't know if inside his brain he believes that
you now know, but he doesn't. He doesn't know how
much we need more we need from him, But it
was that was an amazing moment in my life when
he said that to me. And I'm like, but he
didn't really teach. We just were quiet. So I'll give
you an example. I tell this to Everybody's funny. He
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would We're sitting there watching all the dogs. He lean forward.
He'd be quiet, and he goes, did you see that?
And I'd say no, and he would go and walk away.
I'm like, what what in the heck? And it might
be two weeks before I came back again. He's lean
forward in did you see that? And I go no,
and he goes so, and then it might be another
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two or three weeks. And then after that, you know,
I just started watching everything he did. And when he
would lean forward like that, I'd look in the general direction.
He'd say did you see that? And I wasn't going
to say no this time, so I would say yes,
I did, but I don't know what I saw, and
boom he would start talking about. I'm like, well that's
the combination. Why didn't you just tell me that? You know?
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I was? I really, I really learned dog psychology like
a dog, right, because he doesn't talk to the dogs.
He just does things right, follow, follow or not. And
fortunately for me, the way I was raised, I'm hyper
aware of things and vigilant, and no matter how bad
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that that childhood was, it gave me skills that had
become instinctual, when they're not even skills, they're just instinctual reactions.
So everything that I was learning started to amplify because
it was so similar to everything I didn't know I
already knew. And as that started to happen, I became
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better and better and better at every single thing. And
now I've I've even got my own way of doing things.
And that's I mean no offense to Caesar at all.
I don't use a single word of his language or
any of that. I do things completely different. But from
the dog's point of view, they're exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
The same, right, I get that.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, it's just he talked to I think his first interview.
They said asked him what he thinks the biggest problem
Erica was, and he said, we humanize the dogs, and
that right there is true. What I do is I
humanize dog's psychology so that I can teach the people.
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So I give them the human version of what's actually happening,
and then if they grasp that, I can go deeper
into the understanding with the dog. And I just feel
like that's been my my connection or my hook or
my base, be able to get people to understand, and
that's that's what I do.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, I mean it sounds like that Caesar gave you.
You learn the basics, but then you kind of honed
it into your own individual way.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, my own, my own way of doing it everything.
Because you know, when you look at when you watch
the show, he's very controversial because Caesar is like a
method actor, you know, like Anthony Hopkins. Nobody would go
near him in between takes because they thought he was
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he was, you know, so Caesar does everything from an
animal dog point of view, and some people in the
world have found it to be They said it's abusive.
So I went out of my way to show it's
not abusive. But you don't have to go that what
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Caesar's doing, and I actually found it teaching people that way.
They would just take their own understanding of what they
watched me do and they would do it at their
skill level, and then it would look like abuse, and
so I stopped showing people what I can do like
what you see on Caesar show. He's amazing. It's instantaneous.
(17:13):
It isn't just cut now. Hey, look the turkey's done.
See I have pulled it out of the other and
already you know, if you understand the Cooking Show reference
from back in the day, they prepare it and then
pull it out.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
And call it out like, wow, that was amazingly fast.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Ye right, he is amazing, so instinctual. Unfortunately for me
and my experience over these last twenty some odd years,
watching people try to they don't. It's like kids. They
don't do what you say to do. They do what
you do. And so if you tell him not to cuss,
and you say stop fucking cussing, I apologize.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
That's okay. You can say that's okay, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, we're good with that, and the kid's gonna say,
why the fuck can't I cry? Right, So, over the years,
because I'm a very pattern based person of the years.
I'm showing everybody what I can do. Why isn't Why
aren't people able to do it? Because they don't have
either the instinctual they don't have the ability of physical
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ability or the agility athletic ability. And both Caesar and
I both have martial arts background, so everything we do
is precision anyway. Sure, and and so I've watched it
and I'm like, that's not what That's not what I
showed you. I know, that's your version of what I show.
So now I don't even with trainers. When I teach
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dog trainers, I don't show them anything from but from
zero all the way to one hundred and you know
anybody who needs to. And in the dog training world
they call it corrections or punishment as no, that's that's
that's not what we're doing, you know. And so I
do it. It's slow, spoticle and I point out everything that. Okay,
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see how this is about ready to there it goes,
So why are we waiting until that happens? When we
know that's going to happen. Let me back up here,
So you don't have to do anything physical or psychological.
It's all psychological, but something that's less intrusive. So I'm
just making everybody slow down. If I see somebody that has,
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you know, an ability beyond you know, if I see
potential in them, well sure, then I'll escalate there, or
I'll advance their education. You're ready for level ten? Teaching
everybody from one ready for level ten now is I'll
teach that to you now. But I just I just
found that people attempting to do what they see Caesar
(19:47):
or myself do from their point of view or their
understanding of it, has over time, I think, been bad
for dogs in a lot of cases. You got these
dog trainers that are just YouTube university and Instagram trained.
They just watched these two minute videos and I look
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at it and I'm like, oh my god, that's not
even close to what he's supposed to be doing. And
so I get scared looking at the future for dogs
in that way. But for me, in a nutshell, my
whole process. I mean, I spent after I was learning
with Caesar and then his show got really big, to
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the point where I didn't even get to see him
that often. I did work with a lot of the
dogs and that were on the show, and when he'd
bring them in and he'd have to do the travel whoever,
they would come to me and I would help them,
and then I would help the person on the show
after the show was over or what have you. I
did do a lot of that, but I wouldn't see
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Caesar very often. And so I took about almost ten
years to live in a kennel environment, no kitchen, no relationships,
And I was twenty four to seven. Wow, And I
just studied and studied and studied and studied and studied.
My room was, you know, three or four times bigger
than what the dog run was. But it's only because
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I'm a human, right clothes, I have clothes to wear otherwise,
and a TV otherwise. I had a dog run myself,
and my run was right next to I just opened
the door and everybody else's runner was right there. So
I was very I stayed in very in tune with
every sound, every action, every react, everything that they did.
(21:32):
I was paying Did you see that in That's that
says one of the things that I got to pay attention, right, Really,
you gotta pay attention. It's it's not about the aggression
of the fear. It's about for me. It's about the
emotion that they're experiencing how long they've experienced that for
I can't tell you when you're afraid that you're you're
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not afraid, right, you come on, you're not afraid. Stop it. No,
whatever you're looking at, I'm looking at. But the way
you're looking at it, you perceive it as a threat
and you're afraid, or or a dog gets aggressive. Whatever
that dog is looking at, it's mindset and practice of
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the same action has been that that's a threat. So
we can't tell him. We can't punish the dog. We
have to change the way that they perceive, of course,
and that is if you take a dog, you see
these trainers taking him into the into the deep end
of it and punishing, punishing, But all that does.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Is suppress the dog.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, he learns that I can't do it while you're around,
I'll do it, yeah, or I got to do it faster. Yeah,
you're gonna attack me. So my my way is to
show at every possible angle of the thing that you
need to feel threatened by attack. We're threatened by it,
to feel like you have to shut down or run away.
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I want you to see every angle, So that the
next time you see something like that, you have another
choice besides shutting down, running or attacking. This is another choice.
And I don't ever want to stop a dog from
doing its behavior. I want to give it another behavior
to choose from. And that's where I think if everybody
(23:28):
could get onto that, that page, you know, should see
a much quicker turnaround that. I mean that that alone.
I'm not trying to stop your dog's behavior. I don't
want to. They can do one thing at a time only.
So whatever they're doing while that scene is present or
(23:50):
happening unfolding, right, that's all they know. So let's give
them something else to do to learn in front of
that steen or environment or situation that's happening. Oh. I
always thought that I had to do this because that's
all I've ever done. Right, So now I can do
I can go up and smell it and see that
(24:10):
it's really not a threat. I cann't know. Let me
get my pen so it's slowing down, is what I
ultimately learned and continue to learn. My motto is learned, practice, master,
begin again. Right.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
I was going to say ask you about that.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yes, you'll never hear me say I'm an expert. As
an expert, mind is full. I want to grow, and
when I get to a level that it's saturated, I'm
gonna dump it out and go to another area fill
it up again. It's all right, It's the only way
to continue to grow.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
No, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
So I mean, from all these years of doing it,
do you think with most people, is it I don't
want to say laziness, but they want to quick fix
if there's a something.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
I know, But I mean, but what right?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yes, it's true, but I mean when it comes to
a dog, yes it's a quick fix. But you might
want that, but you're not dealing with another human, You're
dealing with a dog. I mean, do you think is it?
It is a problem? Like I always think, and this
is just me as a civilian that I know about dogs,
but I always feel that people don't when I see
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people doing stuff with their dogs.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
And I'm not going to interrupt and say why are
you doing that?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Because it's not my job and people are crazy and
I'm not going to die over that. But the point
that I think, my thing is I don't think people
pay attention to their dog's body language and what the
dog is communicating and I as as a civilian, that
I think is the biggest problem with people and their dogs.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Am I accurate with that? Am I close to it?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
You're in the area a little bit?
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Good? Earlier you asked something about dog psychologists. Yes, well,
I'm not a professionally educated or whatever psychologists. But if
you're going to learn dog psychology, you still have to
learn human psychology because humans own the dogs, and dogs
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are considered property. But people call them their family or
their brother, their sister, their child until they cause so
much problems and then they become a dog, right, And
so a lot of the times it is back to
Caesar's humanizing dogs. So when we watch the dog's body language,
(26:38):
for instance, all those shame videos that you see, you know,
where the dog's torn something up three hours before somebody
arrives and the people are upset. The dog doesn't know
that it did that, right, it's just trying to appease
your current wrath, and so they've recorded, and so he
knows he did something wrong. So the problem is is
(26:59):
that humans are looking at the body language and they're
interpreting it in a human way instead of in a
dog way. And so the biggest, most concerning problem is
the lack of understanding, and this lack of understanding creates
a level of confusion that then builds into big levels
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of frustration that causes anger. And every movement that you
make while you're angry, whether you abuse your dog or not,
is perceived, you know, aggressive, And it doesn't matter if
you hit the dog. If you yell, stand and over
and yell at them, they feel like they're being attacked.
And so it's really a human's responsibility to I didn't
(27:43):
know that I had to have insurance for my car, right,
you know, or officer, my car has never done that before.
It doesn't I don't know how it hit that person. No,
you're driving, and whether it's a dog, a live being,
you're the owner operator of this, you know, considered property
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even though it's a life, it's it's the human thing. Oh,
I can have kids, will just have it. I can
have a dog, so will just have one. It's a
massive responsibility. And they're they're semi domesticated territorial predators, and
so when they're not being provided for with the right
(28:26):
outlets in the parts of them that need it, then
these other things come out because it's it's deficient. And
so you take a wild animal put them at home,
you're going to see a lot of aggression because they're
not used to that. So you take a domesticated dog,
put them in a home and give them no outlets,
you're going to see the same outcome. Yeah, because yeah,
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So the biggest problem, in my opinion, is it comes
from the frustration and agnar that you know, derived from
the confusion, which is just the lack of understanding, and
that falls on the humans shoulders to understand. So anytime
that your dog is doing something you don't like, everybody
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in the world has either said it or heard it
that dogs just want to please. And if that is
the code, why are we continuing to tell the dogs
what doesn't please us, don't do that, stop doing that.
Why are you doing that? Why are you even asking
a dog a question? So the point is is that
when we get emotional, everything clouds over and then we
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just react and then get we come down from that,
and then our dog looks apologetic and so we either
feel guilty and pet them or get more angry with them.
And so the dogs are living in a constant state
of confusion, but they're constantly wanting if they could read.
You give me something that I can read to learn
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about humans, I'll do it and now watch it, rewatch it,
read it, highlight it, they'll take notes, they'll put it
in jet chet GPT for a bullet points. They would
do that. Yeah, but people people only say they'll.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Do that, right, But a dog will.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah, but a dog will.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
That's really in my opinion, that the problem is the
It's not that people are lazy m m. It's that
they overwhelm themselves with so many things and by the
time they actually see an error or the problem is
causing them extra problems. Well, now I don't have time,
and now I don't have money. Now I don't know
what to do. I can't do well, you know, yeah,
(30:36):
that's not good. It's never the dog's never, ever the
dog's fault, even if it's the most aggressive dog in
the world that was created by a human, right right.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
So yeah, well, it's like I said earlier, I don't
think there are bad dogs.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
It's bad parenting, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Kids, Yes, exactly, but sometimes you get a genetic form.
I mean, just like anybody you know, yeah that has
a child that suddenly wants to set fires or something
that necessarily the parents fall.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
No, that's not that's true parents.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
It becomes the parents fault in the denials.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Exactly years correct.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Of setting little fires and having connections to get him
off the hook here and paying for that. And it's
instead of addressing correct the problem immediately, they allow it
to grow until it is to the point where it's
affecting others.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
That's yeah, No, I get.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
That denial is really more the thing than laziness, but
then laziness does come in.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Sorry, no, no, no, don't don't. That's exactly what I'm thinking. No,
don't apologize at all. It's at You're absolutely correct on that.
It is denial, definitely. So I know for listeners they
can always visit your website.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
It's lynnbok dot com l I and n b O
and same for Instagram linn Boki.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yes, yes, which I religiously watch your videos and like
them just so you know.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
But so let's well, yes, and which brings me to.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Another reason why I wanted to talk to you today,
because as I learned on your Instagram that you now
have a go Fundme page for some for a health situation.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
So yeah, how are you feeling well today? I feel
pretty good at this moment, but it comes in and
out because just so everybody who doesn't know, I have
to have a quadruple bypass surgery, and if you don't
know what that is, it's literally an open art surgery.
I have all three arteries are almost that go into
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the heart are almost closed. And there's five other veiny
vessels or whatever you want to call them inside the
heart that are almost one of them is completely closed.
They have to take veins from my leg to put
in there and cleared out. And so, uh, yeah, I
had another short story long eight about eight years ago
(33:11):
I knew something. I was a pretty and I'm not
patting myself on the back. I was pretty athletic, a
very very athletic. And eight years ago I just started
not having any drive and all that, and like, what's
going on. I'd go to doctor after doctor, get this test,
that test, always something you know, nothing's wrong with you,
(33:33):
nothing's right, and they'd start judging me because I keep
coming in. So I'd get a new health care practitioner
and till they wouldn't do it. I mean, they would
do the test if I asked them, but they the
spaces that they give me until I found this new
one that I've been with for the last few years.
Even though they could not find anything wrong. I mean,
I did every I mean everything from line's disease tests
(33:57):
to every kind of ultrasound and blood test, this and
EKG that and a lot a lot of it was
expensive to do again and again and again, but they
just kept telling me it's in your head. You're depressed,
you're anxious, and I go, look, I suffer from chronic depression,
(34:18):
so I know what depression is. This is not. However,
I'm becoming depressed each time you guys tell me there's
nothing wrong with me. So I suffer again and again,
and finally, my current health care practitioner sheet so let's
go into the bigger tests, you know. So we were
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doing those where they want to put die in your
veins and all that stuff, and finally I was doing
the stress test and I had a It was about
six months ago that I had my first mild heart attack,
and on the on the treadmill, I was starting to
have a heart attack and they wanted me to go
(35:01):
to an emergency right then, and they wanted to call
an ambulance and I said, see you later, Like, no,
You've got to go to the emergency. I was like, no,
I've got to get home and find a place for
my dogs first, because I would not be able to
live with myself if I went to the hospital and
you know, I survived and they didn't. That's what I
(35:23):
did first. I was very fortunate to find, uh, you know,
close people to take in all of my dogs and
I don't have to worry about that at all. Then
I went in. I went, I went to the emergency room,
and they immediately wanted to do this well, I can't
remember what they called. They stuck a camera in one
(35:45):
of my arteries and and they went in by the
heart and they were hoping, and this would have been
the best case scenario that they would just put a
stint in there and open up the vein. But once
they got in there, you know they they are. They
pulled it out really go all whispering, all the fast movement.
I'm like, oh, what's going on? And they told me
(36:08):
that I have to have this big surgery and that
if I don't then I'll most likely have another heart
attack if not died before. And so I've I've been waiting,
and unfortunately, I'm one of those guys that I don't know,
this might be too much, but I didn't get it.
I didn't have insurance, and so that's that's been the
(36:31):
issue to get my date for the surgery. But if
I have another episode, I'm supposed to go straight to
the emergency and then I won't have to wait for
a date. They'll just do the operation.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
And that's where the gofundmes can help correct.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Yes, because I'm not allowed. They don't want me to
do more than two miles of any kind of walking.
I don't mean in a row all in one day.
I'm not allowed to do anything. Sure, it's really.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
That's hard for you. I'm sure very difficult. You're not
used to.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
That, very yeah, no, but you know, I mean I
got used to it because the last two years all
I did was sleep for fifteen eighteen hour days.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
And I basically I'm not a quitter. No, you're not.
I'm a very athletic. But I felt like maybe I was,
you know, gaslighted into believing that it was me. So
since their every test I did was coming back this
and that, and I just laid there and thinking oh,
let me know, just go sleep and not wake up
(37:40):
terribly close to as close to quitting as I've ever
come in my life. Right. And so once I once
they stabilized me at the hospital, I got out of
there as fast as possible to make sure that I
got everything here set up before I go back to
have this operation. Sure that is going to really incapacitate
(38:04):
me for a long, long time. Some different stories on
whether it's going to be quick recovery or a long recovery.
Certainly going to be a stressful, painful one in the beginning.
But I'm all right with that now that I now
that I know, that was the biggest thing.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Of course.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Yeah, and being told.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
I was wrong, Yeah, of course you're wrong.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Wrong, wrong, wrong, Now that's frustrating. Yeah, well, it's very frustrating,
especially for somebody who I love, being wrong so that
I could learn how to never be wrong in that
department again. But I know something, I knew something was wrong.
I'm I'm, I'm like I was like a energizer bunny,
you know, never stop. And now all of a sudden,
(38:49):
I'm most yes, I knew something was wrong. And here's
the thing that I found out from this what do
they call that angelogram?
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Oh yeah, an angiogram.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
Well they clad God, they didn't go through my girl,
and they went into the risk. Technology is really good.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
It's amazing, right, Yeah, Yes, what I.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Found out because I complained to the surgeons say hey, man,
I did every test for years, and they said, well,
you're kind of an anomaly because with your you know,
what's what you have going on. Your heart shouldn't be
functioning well at all. But my heart is functioning well.
It just doesn't have enough blood getting in there to
(39:30):
you know, keep me as an energizer bunny. So all
my tests on the heart were not wrong, they just
weren't looking at the right place it was causing the problem.
So for me telling me that it's just weird that
you have a really good functioning heart because all of
other clients with this patience with this problem don't gives
(39:52):
me great hope because all we do, all we need
to do now is clear the pipes out, put the
new ones in, and then never allow that stuff to
happen again, you know, through diet, and you know that's
going to be that's like really huge because I don't
have to recover the heart. So much. I just have
to recover the process of getting blood to the heart,
(40:13):
which to me was like half the battle exactly.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
No, I would think, and I think it's probably because
you took care of yourself in the sense that you
have been athletic your whole life, I think.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
But I wasn't always good. I mean, if I my
next personal post, I'm going to do it the first
party with my shirt off, because when I get done
with this, I'm going to be just as big advocate
for your anybody's health that's wanting to watch and learn
as I am for dogs emotions in their psychology. Because
if you look at me, you would think, no, now,
(40:45):
you got nothing wrong with you. It doesn't matter if
you're overweight or I mean, I have not done anything
physical in years, and I look like I just came
out of the gym. That's not me, Brad, No, it's
just the way. Yeah. Yeah, And you still need to take.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Care of yourself, of course.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
No, I get that, and that's what I want to
make sure everybody understands. It's never too late.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
No, of course not.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
If I get a second shot at life right now.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
And you will, you are energy.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Yeah, if I get half the energy I had. Oh man,
look out world.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Well I think you will. I think you will.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
No, I do. That's what the statistics say, is that
there is. The surgery is supposed to have great results.
Now tell me, after you get done with this, you
can't go back to just doing eating all the stuff
that you did before. They've had people come in in
less than two years to have to have another bypass
surgery because they go right back to doing what they're doing.
(41:47):
That to me is just idiot.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Well it is, it is.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
I've been wanting to know what's wrong with me so
I can fix it. Now that I know, I'm never
letting that happen again, of course, never.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
I know, And I I think that you won't let
that happen. And I think that you're going to be
just as determined as you've been all these years with
dogs that you're going to apply it to you.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
That's right, I do.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
I do, and I don't.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
I don't know you personally, but what I know of you,
I think that's what you're going to do.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
If that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Yeah, I've heard the legends too, lockedest monster. Like I said,
I'm a pineapple.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
I just look like no.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
Well inside I'm sweet, I swear yeah, all right, intention
yes you are ultimately yeah, no, you are really what
the GoFundMe is for, so that I can recover without stress, of.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Course, and have your dogs get taken care of. Yes,
it's the whole, it's everything. So that's why I wanted
to talk to you too, to help get you some
donations for it.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Well, that would be amazing. Well, I already don't even
know how to think the people who've already donated, you know,
it's just well, you don't know me. You haven't. You
haven't met me before, especially the last two years, but
right now anybody who has and knows me, and they're like,
oh my god, you sound so different because now I
(43:10):
know that there's a there's an end to this, and
that means there's a beginning, new beginning, and I can't wait.
But you know, not being able to do anything is
you know, Unfortunately this world does revolve around money. I'm
not a bling, bling guy that's got to show anything off,
but unfortunately it's necessary to have in order.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
To keep do things right right.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
And I know right that that you aren't a fan
of the gofund me, but it's you have people who love.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
You and want to help you, and that's okay. You
need to accept that.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
And that's That's another big thing I've been doing is
accepting good. Okay, you can clean my house. You're not
allowed to move. I'll clean it. Like, oh my god,
this is I don't even like people in my house.
I'm sure people are talking to me, touching me, but
looking at me, and now I have to I got
these people that are doing it all for the right reasons,
(44:04):
and it feels good.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
It's just it's hard. I know it's hard for you.
I get it. I get it. But it's okay. It's okay,
and you are accepting it, and you know the end
will justify the means. It's all good. It's all in
the right direction.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
So for those who are listening, there are two ways
that you can donate. You can just go to go
fund me, and if you put in Linn's name, the
page comes up and it's l i n N b
O y k E. Or you can actually put in
it's support dash Linz l i n n apostrophe s
life Saving heart Surgery, so that's the name of the GoFundMe.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
So you have two ways, but either way.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yes, if you go to Instagram, it's in my it's
in your Instagram as well.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Yes, in my bio there you can hit that. That's
the third way, but yes, that's th way telling everybody.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Well, you know, like I said, I I don't know you,
but I do know you, and I'm very very grateful
to you for you know, teaching Carl and Carl helping me.
And I've been a fan of yours for many many years,
even before I knew Carl.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
So go figure that. You know, it's a small world,
and it's everything goes.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
Everything in life is a circle, right, It all goes
from the beginning and it just it's a circle. So
so I appreciate you, and I appreciate all your time
and all your knowledge, and I just wish you the best,
and I know everything is going to be great and
you have a whole new beginning after you have this surgery.
So for those, like I said, you can go to
(45:38):
Lin's Instagram page. You can go to his website too
to learn all about him. It's l I N N
B O y k E dot com. You can go
to go fundme and just put his name in, or
you can go to go fundme and it's support dash
Lin's life saving heart surgery. When I post this interview,
I'll also put the link so it'll be easy for
people to donate. So Lynn, thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
We'll have to have a We'll have to have a
part two when I come out of this.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Oh my goodness, I was thinking the same thing. I
would love that.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Yes, yes, I'm going to document as much of the
struggle as I can, Okay, just to show people that
you don't want to mess around with this stuff, sure
you know, and and then also hopefully motivate people because
I'm I'm not a quitter. You are. I pushed through
this and it's gonna suck, but it's going to have
(46:28):
a big, bright, shining rainbow or sun exactly.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Right, and it's only gonna suck for a short amount
of time, remember that.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Yep, yep?
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Okay, Well, Lynn.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Thank you for having me on here.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Absolutely, thank you, thank you for talking and sharing and
and just thank you, thank you for all you do
and nothing but the best. And we are definitely going
to talk again.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
All right, cool again,
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