April 25, 2025 • 50 mins
In the first hour of KJR's 12th Man Draft Coverage, Dave Softy Mahler, Dick Fain, and Hugh Millen react to the top picks of the draft in Green Bay, the big Jaguars trade for Travis Hunter, plus more picks inside of the top ten.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
And now the fun begins. Baby.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
The NFL draft that you and I You been doing
this mock draft thing that we did yesterday at the
Queen An Beer Hall for twenty seven years, which actually
was Mike Homgran's first draft is the Seahawks general manager
and head coach in nineteen ninety nine, and here we
are twenty seven years later. More than half my life
I've spent with you doing draft stuff, which makes me
just a miserable human being.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
By the way, the hell have I accomplished in this life?
For God's sake?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
But we are waiting for Roger Goodell to open the
draft in Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Exciting times.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
There's rumors about the Jaguars potentially making a play here
very soon. Guys to move up to number two and
grab the pick from the Browns.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
You instructed me to use the.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Fitzburger spiel Stegan chart, whatever the hell let's call Steven
Spielberg Larry Fitzgerald charts. You know the difference between the
number five pick and the number two pick and the
draft on their chart, how many points it's four hundred
and sixty five, which according to them, is the equivalent
of a fourth round pick. I can't imagine the Browns
accepting a round draft pick to drop down.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
The number five. Yeah, no, nor can I. I agree
with you.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I mean, particularly in this draft right when it's like
a shelf yep. I mean cam Ward. I think quarterbacks
are almost kind of in their own category. Cam Ward's
the best quarterback. The Titans are the team with the
most need yep, so he just kind of vaults in
there and it slots obviously, But then you've got the
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of the non quarterbacks. There's just too clear, clearly coveted
players worthy of that. I think you could have a
heck of the debate whether you want Hunter or whether
you want Abdul Carter. But I don't think there's a
debate of a third being in that discussion. Yeah, I mean,
I think some of the intriguing storylines for me, Dick,
where does Ashton Jenny go? Is he there at number six?
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Did the Raiders take him? He went in armock to
the Patriots at four yesterday? Does Tyler Warren find himself
scooting up the draft board as a coveted kind of
Swiss army knife type of guy shador Sanders obviously? How
far does he falled? Does he make the first round?
Does a team make a play to move up and
get him? And then again, Not to be repetitive, but man,
we're sitting here at right about five o'clock. The draft
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is seconds away from starting. I can't remember. I don't
know the last time a first round began and there
were no trades. There's gonna be trades in the first round.
But we're sitting here at five o'clock. We haven't had
one movie yet, mate.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
I think something intriguing to look at though, too, is
the Vegas odds on where these guys go, and compare
them to the Vegas odds when they opened. And the
biggest fall or no surprise, Shador Sanders has dropped eighteen
spots in Vegas by far Number one. Hughes guy just
kidding Will Johnson because people are listening to Hugh on
the radio. It has dropped his stock from eleven point
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five to twenty four. Oh excuse me, Will Johnson. You
like Will Johnson is the it's the tackle that he's
attack Campbell. It's Will Campbell that that you don't like.
He's dropped second, Will Johnson and the biggest riser hee
Kelvin Banks Junior, opened at twenty four point five and
has gone to seven point five.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
And I said, I like him the best as the
left tackle. I just think he's a better He has
better feet than Will Campbell and Will Campbell the LSU tackle. Now,
there's a lot to like about him. Three year starter,
came in as a freshman, was second team All SEC.
I'll pull the numbers up here on him in terms
of his sack yield, which was hardly any. Yeah, but uh,
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I just think he wins the battle too deep into
the backfield.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
How close is that tier you mentioned, the top tier
being Carter and and Travis Hunter. How close is that
second tier of Genty, Warren Campbell? How close are those
guys to that first tier?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Well, I wouldn't put Campbell in there. I would I
would put Genty in and Warren almost in their own category.
And Banks, guys, I'm gonna cut you off. I'm gonna
cut you off. Because Roger Goodell is riding a bicycle
to the pace. Apparently that's a big thing in Green Bay.
I guess small town. You get around the by bike.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
They do that into the training camp. So he's, uh,
he's riding a bicycle.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I hope it doesn't fall over, by the way, that'd
be kind hilarious, but I hope it doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
He is.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
He is on the stage right now as we are
about to open up the twenty twenty five NFL Draft again.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
They move this around every year.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I assume a bunch of Packer legends, now on bikes,
come out there joining Roger Goodell.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
But the Seahawks again, for those.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Tuning in right now, on the clock at number eighteen,
So we have a long way to go before the
Seahawks make their pick. The Titans for the first time
since they moved to Nashville have the number one pick
in the draft. They did have it three times in Houston,
but never in Nashville, followed for now by Cleveland, the Giants,
the Patriots, and the Jaguars.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
All right, what do you say? We head to Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Roger Goodell about to open the twenty twenty five draft
right here live Clay Matthews on stage, a host of
stars that are Packer legends on KJR.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
Oh boy, okay, Welcome to the twenty twenty five NFL
Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin. People said that Greenway was
too small for this, with a population of one hundred
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and seven thousand, But we have over one hundred and
twenty five thousand people here and still county. Obviously, Green
Bay may be small, but it's mighty. Thank you all
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for welcoming us here tonight, and hope you have a
great few days. Over the next three days, we will
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welcome in the next generation of stars into the NFL
and bring hope to every NFL team, And we may
have a few surprises for you tonight. But first let's
hear from some of your Packer greats. Please welcome Clay Matthews,
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thirty Nelson Mason Crosby.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I'm one Green James Jones.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
And Packer super fan Little Wayne.
Speaker 7 (07:43):
I'm gonna go off script here real quick, Roger. But
I just got off the phone with the President Donald Trump.
He asked me to pass a message along to love
thirty two NFL franchises. So let me tell you what
to read.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Is here all right?
Speaker 7 (08:02):
He says, My fellow Americans, the bear still sun.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
There you go, boys and girls.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
That is Clay Matthews, a former USC linebacker, former Packer linebacker,
getting everybody all fired up in Green Bay and beyond,
by the way, not just to the draft, but what
a scene in Green Bay. Man, if you've never been there,
I think you've been there. Dick to pen Bay, You've
been there. He've been there a couple of times. Obviously,
a goods great memories of their watching Mike Homgren back
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in ninety nine, his first Monday Night football game. I
remember him saying how nervous he was before that game,
and he walked out to just applause.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
They loved the guy when he came out there.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
And then obviously two thousand and two, Al Harris runs
right by me. You know, we want the ball. We're
going to score two thousand and three seven degrees. And
if you want to go to YouTube and watch that
highlight a fat guy wearing a pair of khakis and
a red jacket, that's yours truly. So those are my
memories of lambeau Field, but one of the great days
in sports, one of the great cities and sports in
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Green Bay, Wisconsin. Now the draft is officially the clock
has begun. Titans on the clock here at number one,
so they're gonna take cam Ward. So this always gets
me every single year. Why are we waiting ten minutes?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Right? I mean, maybe there's some.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Television ratings purposes here, maybe they got to get some
sponsors in, but we're gonna let this thing probably run
all the way down at triple zero when we all
know what the Titans are doing.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
You're at number one, yeah, and you I.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Think I would probably wait a couple minutes to see
if there's any calls that I hadn't anticipated. But you
also want to first things first. You want to send
a message to cam Ward right that hey, we love you,
and you know we're excited. We're not taking any options.
So I think that there's some some competing objectives there
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and so I can understand a little bit on both sides.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
You they're going a little bit backwards of kind of
the way.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
I know Softi's talked about the way he likes to
build a program, and I'm with him. This is which
is how the Seahawks built their program in twenty eleven,
twenty twelve. They got everything around Russell Wilson, and then
they got and then they found their quarterback. These teams
like Tennessee now, like we've seen the Jets do numerous
times where they draft the guy to try to salvage
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a bad team. It rarely works, man, And I'm just
worried that it's not gonna work for Cambart either.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
It's a fair concern. It's a fair question. You know.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I think a lot of times teams think, well, our
rosters better than it appears if we just had better
quarterback play. But you know, we went through the spreadsheet
there of all those teams and the quarterbacks in the
top half of the first round, and and how many failures,
And I think a lot of it has to do
with a good portion of it has to do with.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Where you go Totally.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I believe as soon as I got five fingers on
my hand, I believe if Jalen Hurts was at the
Giants and Daniel Jones was at the Eagles, Oh man,
that Daniel Jones. I'm not saying he'd be a super
Bowl but Daniel Jones would be negotiated a two hundred
million dollar contract and that and they'd be running Jalen
Herts out of the of New York.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
There's a lot, there's a that's a huge.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Extreme there because the Eagles are about as quarterback friendly
as a quarterback could ever wont in terms of the
players round Now, Philly is a tough fan base. The
weather isn't great, but you know, they had the number
one offensive line by PFF. They had the number one
receiving tandem with aj Brown and DeVante Smith. They had
Saquon Barkley, and they had the number one defense in
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the NFL. Like, if you can't win with all of that,
you can't win. Well, I mean the Titans have they
just signed Lockett yesterday. You guys saw that, the Tyler Lockett.
It's funny you look on the screen there some of
the biggest editions, Draymont Jones and Cody Barton, I mean,
and they they gave Cody Barton to deal with.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
They gave nine million guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Holy I don't know what it was about watching Cody
Barton Tyler's four million, right, But they were terrible on defense,
They were terrible on offense. They were one of a
few teams that just average right about eighteen points a game.
They do have some talent. They got Ridley, they got
Tony Pollard. Uh, they've got Locket now, but they don't
really have a lot in the trenches. I mean, Draymond
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Jones got a one year deal with them, so he's
just kind of on a prove it deal now with
the Titans. But this is a team that has a
brand new head coach and in Callahan. They they won
their division in the consecutive years, just four or five
years ago. This is a team that with Mike Rabel,
we thought they were kind of on the coming. Then
everything just fell up.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Dereck Henry too, right. They had Ranny Hill. Remember when
Tanny Hill got that big deal, putting up huge numbers
down a fell apart. They lost their identity.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
They were kind of a smash mouth team and then
they they lost that and they didn't have the quarterback
to uh, to back it up. And it's interesting they're
showing sud or highlight tapes as if.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I think he's there. Is he there at the draft?
Is there? By the way?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Is there?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Correct? I hear that Milroe was there. Somebody said, Jalen
mill Why would Jalen Milroe be in the in the draft?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I got a little inside information on that. He knows,
he's he's self aware, he knows that he's unlikely, very
unlikely to be in the first round. From a person
that is in a position to know, wink wink, they
he wants to go and and knowing that he's probably
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going to have that that uh, I don't say failure,
but he's going to have that indignity of sitting there
through there and not be drafted, he wants to.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Use that as fuel. Lewis, Yeah, he just he wants
he wants to He wants he wants to experience the pain.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Would you want to do that? No, yeah, no way,
I can find pain in other areas no, no, no, yeah. Evidently,
but he believes that it will fuel him and motivate him,
and he's certainly aware that it's very unlikely he'll go
in the first round. It's not like it's not impossible, right, Well,
he's one of the real intriguing guys. We're just waiting
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for the Titans pick to be officially announced any minute
now by Roger Goodell. The pick is officially in, by
the way, so only just a few seconds before Goodell
makes it official, the cam Moore is going to be
the number one pick in this draft from the Miami Hurricanes.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
But the Milroe thing is massively intriguing.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I kind of agree with Dick that I think somebody
will fall in love with him and jump up and
get him, maybe in the second round. But man, he
is the epitome guys of a massive freaking project. Especially
he's playing quarterback Wilrow. Yeah, Milroe, well absolutely, And yet
his highlight tape. If if they drafted only off of
highlight tape, your twenty best plays, he'd be going right
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now to Tennessee, right because and it's not just the
running plays, you know, if I was if I was
the one picking the plays to try and get him drafted.
And in some weird world that we're talking about, this
this thought experiment world that we're talking about where the
team the NFL teams only get to pick off a
twenty teams, twenty plays. I'd have you know, probably five
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or five of them as runs right, four or five
of them as runs. And then you know his his
his best throws. Man, they're beautiful. I mean Auburn. He
throws this scissors concept with the corner way over to
the side. He throws a wheel route again in the
bowl game. I know there's a voice in the back
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of me say, why are you talking about Jay then
Millroll when he's probably not going to get drafted today.
But anyways, he's at the draft. That's why we brought
it up. Yeah, yeah, but no, No, his best stuff,
but his worst stuff, his worst stuff is really bad.
Roger Goodell is going to the podium now to make
the selection of cam Ward official and to officially kick
off the first round of the twenty twenty five All Draft.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Come on, we're the first pick in the twenty twenty
five NFL Draft. The Tennessee Titans select Cameron Warren, quarterback Miami.
Speaker 8 (16:16):
So Cam war six foot two, two hundred and nineteen
pilots quarterback Miami snap back in the Husky fourteen war
at bumpfin works out of a shack to the left
now switched up the middle first out of the.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Five lund of the end zone touchdown.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
Miami quarterback Cam Ward's journey to the NFL Draft had
a number of stops. He began his career at FCS
School University of the Incarnate Word in San Antonio. Ward
then moved down to Washington State, where he was named
Honorable mention All Pack twelve in each of his two
seasons there. Ward then erupted last season in Miami, leading
the nation with thirty nine touchdown passes, winning the ACCS
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Player of the Year award in being named a finalist
for the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
There you go, cam Ward, no surprise.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
He becomes the third Miami Hurricanes to go number one
overall in the NFL Draft. Is anybody named the other two?
One we know already we just been and Russell Maryland.
Those two were the other Miami Hurricane players to go
number one.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
How about that? We literally just talked about this off
the year. Don't act like you know he No.
Speaker 9 (17:27):
MJ asked me yesterday, when was the last time a
guy went Russell Maryland, Maryland and the other two other
two Miami Hurricanes we do have, By the way, some
breaking news to get to Uh, the Jaguars are now
on the clock at number two.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Here we go. We've been waiting for a trade, were
talking about you. We got a trade.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
The Browns are trading the number two overall pick, a
fourth rounder, and a sixth rounder to Jacksonville for the
number five pick, a second round pick, a fourth round pick,
and get this there, twenty twenty six first round pick.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
That's a lot about that.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Jacksonville just gave up two first rounders, a second rounder,
and a fourth rounder to move up three spots and
get a fourth and a sixth in return.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, it's gotta be what it's gotta be.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Travis Hunter, what are the odds that the Dion Sanders
Travis Hunter umbrella said, we don't want to go to
Cleveland get rid of this pick.
Speaker 9 (18:26):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I think they didn't want to go to Cleveland, But
I I don't.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I don't think teams make decisions that way. I mean, uh,
you know, Ernie of Corsi, the GM for the Baltimore Coats,
went Elway. Elway had as much juice as anybody who's
ever come out of college right right, and he was saying, Hey,
if if you draft me, I will not play for
Frank Cushy and and Ernie COSI was the GM just said,
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I don't care.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
He's the pick, like I'm not gonna go down in.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
History as the guy who who foiled this opportunity, and
so he picked them anyway, So that's a hypothetical.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I'm not sure. I mean, I gotta think they're moving
up to get Travis Hunter guys. I mean, I don't know.
I mean, Carter is a hell of a player, but
that's a lot of draft capital to give up and take.
I think that their justification. Travis Hunters are getting two.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Plays exactly exactly, so I'd be pretty surprised at this point.
We'll see how this plays out. But we got a
couple minutes here before the Jaguars pick does come in.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Hey, MJ, MJ.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Mark, move over a little bit, Wall have thanks, you're
blocking the view bad. We're not sitting here at the beach,
for God's sakes, for trying to watch TV. Let's go back.
Cambore's twenty two be twenty three in a month. We
talked about the numbers earlier. Very accurate. Takes care of
the ball. I mean, if there's one drawback, I mean
the pop Tarts Bowl thing here. We talked about that yesterday.
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Quits at halftime in Miami loses.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
But I don't like it. I don't like it. I'm
never gonna like it.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
And there may be there be other other facts attended
to that that they that he was going to be
a catalyst for TV ratings or ticket sales.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I get it. I'm just saying it's a bad look.
But it's the modern times.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I mean, I was stunned when Christian McCaffrey said he
wasn't going to play in the End Bowl, right yeah,
And ever since then, I've kind of been like, well,
nothing really shocks me anymore. And but but look, you know,
for me, I just look at him. What a move
that he made to go from Wazoo. And I think
this is a real key part of the evaluation of him.
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You go to Miami, Mario christ Ball is trying to
build something there and and you say, okay, how do
you assimulate in in year one? You got one year,
you don't know the system, you don't know the guys.
By all accounts, he just grabbed that leadership by the horn.
He learned everything, and he was able to come in
and just be a dude right from the jump and
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be at alpha male from a leadership, from a production standpoint,
and so I think that's a key part if you're
a value waiting. Hey, he's done it. He just went
from Wazoo to Miami. And then the other part, I
just think when you compare him to Sanders, I think
that he's more of a elusive in the pocket, although
I think Sanders gets good marks in that way, but
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I do think that he has a better feel. But
he just he has an ability to anticipate in intermediate
throws and he's got a very quick release, so when
he sees something that's gonna come open, he can get
the ball into tight windows. And and he has a
vision and an ability to see big plays out there.
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He goes and now he's almost there's not a throw
he didn't like. I mean, you gotta got of rate
and back he had. He had about a handful or
at least two or three of those seven interceptions. Two
or three of them were of the appalling variety, like
what are you doing? Like you can't throw a football
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to a car wash and not get it wet, I
mean way across his body late, Like the worst sins
you could imagine, So you got to rain a little
bit of that in. But like this, the mobility Hugh, yeah,
I think he's really mobile now once he gets outside
the pocket and he's actually running.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, yeah, he does.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
He You know, he doesn't strike me as a four
or five guy, you know, maybe more of a four
to six guy. But I think the short area of quickness,
the ability to move in a vague guys, I think
is there for sure. Well, the Jaguars pick is in.
We're just waiting for this pick if you're tuning in
right now. The Browns and Jaguars made a deal. It
took the draft starting to have somebody give up their
original draft pick in the first round. And by the way,
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now the Browns have three picks in the top thirty six.
They have the Jaguars pick at five here coming up
in a few in a few pick excuse me, and
then thirty three and thirty six. So Jacksonville and the
Browns traded. Jacksonville now on the clock at number two.
Jaguars gave up the number five pick tonight, a second
round pick at number thirty six, a fourth round pick,
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and their first round pick next year. Let's find out
now what the Jaguars will do with the number two
pick on the draft. Let's go back to Green Bay
and Commissioner Roger Goodell.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
We are here tonight to celebrate the thirty two young
men entering the NFL.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I'm honored to take a moment.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
To recognize a player who's made a profound impact on and.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Off the field.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
The Walter Peyton NFL Man of the Year Award, presented
by Nationwide, recognizes one player each year who best represents
greatness and compassion, both on and off the field and
in the community. Tonight, we are proudly joined by the
twenty twenty four Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year,
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Eric Armstead.
Speaker 10 (23:53):
First off, I want to say thank you to the Commissioner,
Thank you to the Peyton family in the NFL and nationwide,
and also too tonight, I want to encourage each player
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embarking on the NFL journey to identify a passion close
to their heart and act upon it. Use your platform
to make your community, the league, in this world a
better place. As we remember Walter Payton, strive to leave
a positive legacy of your own.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Thank you. We have a trade.
Speaker 10 (24:47):
The Cleveland Browns have traded the second pick to the
Jacksonville Jaguars, and.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
With the second pick in the two.
Speaker 10 (25:00):
The NFL Draft, the Jacksonville Jaguars select Travis Hunter R receiver, defensive.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Back to Colorado.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
Travis Hunter six foot one eighty eight dB wide receiver
Colorado Morris swings up like sorry.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
That is picked off by Travis Hunter. You have got
to be kidding me.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Well, I just saw He's superman.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
He's a superhero. He's not human.
Speaker 8 (25:31):
Athlete is an understatement for this two way player. Hunter
is a big play performer with great ball skills and
superb anticipation. Is a dB as a wide receiver. Despite
immense talent, he could improve his technique. A legitimate question
is can that frame of his be dominant at the
next level. The Heisman Trophy winner has star power written
all over it, but you won't likely see the full
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package from Hunter on both sides of the ball until
later in his career.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
No uh, no shock.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
After the deal was announced, Travis Hunter is now a
Jaguar with the number two pick in the NFL Draft.
That brings us to the Giants at number three, and
that brings us to a break. We'll come back and
find out what the Giants do at number three. Cam
Ward number one, Travis Hunter number two after a trade
with the Browns. Will continue our draft coverage live next
on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Welcome to the NFL Draft.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
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Speaker 3 (26:42):
Got a joking earlier today about this rumored trade that
eventually became reality. The Jaguars moved up with the Browns
and grabbed their pick, and they took Travis Hunter. So
Travis Hunter is now going to the worst passing defense
in the NFL at a defense that had the second
to last opposing passer rating and nobody gave up more
big plays than Jacksonville did last year.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
It's seventy one plays at twenty yards or more.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
So they need this guy on both sides of the
ball Pairmum, But Brian Thomas Wright was a first rounder
last year at of LSU.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
And they might be okay. At wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
But we were kind of joking about the difference between
the number five pick and the number two pick on
the Spielberger Larry Fitzgerald chart is a mid fourth rounder. Well,
that's not what the Jack Warrens gave up. They gave
up a lot more than that. I'm gonna run the
numbers and it's gonna be like exponentially way more than
what the chart says was worth it. So let's go
back to excuse me, Green Bay. The Giants now on
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the clock at number three. Let's find out what they do.
Here's the commissioner, here's the commission twenty.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Twenty five NFL Draft. The New York Giants select Abdul Carter, defensive.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
End pen Saint.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
Abdul Carter, six three, two hundred and fifty pounds, edge
head steak.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Will Howard, and this offensive line knows what the dude.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Up.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
The dude Carter, the unanimous All American selection in his
final year in Happy Valley, has great explosion at the
snap and attacks with intensity. The Big Ten Defensive Player
of the Year should excel as a pass rusher in
the NFL. Despite average size for his position, Carter could
be a little better with his hands during the pass rush,
but his agility and good spin moves will still get
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him to the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
All right, Well, no surprise there.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I think the first three picks in this draft we're
pretty much sealed. A long time ago, only question was
what order Abduel Carter who had four tackles for loss
and two sacks against the Huskies back in November, Hugh,
we got a first hand look at what this kid's
all about. Well, I think what he's all about is
is a near clone of Michael Parsons. I mean, I
just look at the size six three two point fifty five.
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An incredible first step. I mean, in my opinion, and
I think an opinion shared by many, the most coveted
skill you can have on the defensive side of the
football is to be able to line up on the
edge and win with a speed rush to the outside
against an offensive tackle that terrifies an offense the most.
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Because you watched the Super Bowl last year, the Philadelphia
Eagles did not blitz one single down, just four man
rush and they made life miserable for Pat Mahomes. And
this guy has an ability. You know, he played off
ball linebacker and then when chop Robinson, the defensive end,
went onto the NFL. Coaches convinced him, Hey, we think
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it's better for you. It's better for us. Let's make
you a defensive end. So he's a raw defensive pass
rush guy, but he doesn't play like a rack guy.
You oftentimes you would expect to say, Okay, well here's
a great athlete, but he doesn't have the repertoire. Moves
well for a first year guy, how his hand uses
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his spin moves, he presented a lot, and he got
twelve sacks and first team All American.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I don't know. I just think this is a clear
pick for the Giants, regardless of who they have. It
took a big jump right from last year to this year.
The numbers really jumped up for this kid. Yeah. Would
that concern you at all that this was kind of
like a one hit wonder for him at Penn State
or No? No, because he had been an off ball linebacker. Yeah,
and that wasn't the role that they had in playing.
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I think that there's still versatility.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I mean, they still move him around, but you know,
he became a primarily edged guy. So no, no, I'm
not concerned to that at all. And when you think
of the Giants the most recent two Super Bowls with
Kaughlin and Eli Manning and what have you, they beat
the Patriots seventeen to fourteen when the Patriots were nineteen
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and oh and had the most incredible offense in the
history of the NFL. I'm Brady that year in two
thousand and seven. It's the only year where you take
the twelve most important stats. Tom Brady was number one
in every single stat the And so the Giants played
him and held him to fourteen points. And they said,
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but why because they had a great defensive line.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
O C.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
You mean, you're tuck whatever they just had. That was
a team that was dominated by a front four. So
they're probably getting back to some of their roots. And
then of course there's Lawrence Taylor. So in many ways,
this is a great Giant pick reminiscent of their Super
Bowl accomplishment. Well, what do you do here if you're
the Patriots there they're sticking I guess with their original
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pick at number four. So so no deal here. Mike Rabel,
the first year, first draft for him as the head
coach in New England, you got you got Will Campbell
there on the board, obviously you've got Ashton Jenny sitting
there on the board. What do you think the Patriots
do here? Guys at that number four? You well, all
the mocks have them taking on a tackle, maybe Will
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Campbell at LSU. If I were the Patriots, I would
not want to take Will Campbell and find not well,
I take Membo over him.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I would take I would, but I would really what
I would focus on as I'd say, Okay.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Who's special? Who's special in this draft? Where you say
this guy's like better than what we see? You know,
it doesn't have to be a once in a generation player,
doesn't have to be a once in a ten year player.
But somebody say, hey, we only come around these kind
of guys every three four years. Well that's Asson genty
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and that's Ty Warren in my opinion. So to me,
even though they need help on the offensive line, I
don't want to take an offensive lineman with a high
bust factor. I mean we went through the thirty one quarterbacks,
and eleven of them we went red, green and yellow
like a traffic light with a green greens being surf
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fire great picks.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Red's beying.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Holy cow, wouldn't him in the sixth round and uh,
and then the yellows and it was eleven greens.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Uh, and it was eleven reds and and uh the
rest were yellows.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
And so to me, you see that with offensive lineman,
and I think I think there's too many questions about
the offensive lineman. I want tywarn or I want to
ask genty right right, just because I think they're the
special players left here.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
The Patriots are devoid of game breakers and Ramandra Stevenson's
a three point nine yard per carry is nothing running back.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
They have no line, and you can have no line.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I mean, imagine drafting Jenny and he gets killed and
he's got nowhere to go, right, that'd be the concerns
that would be. And you'd say, if you want to
be a critic of a pick, of asking Jenny going there,
you'd say, what what happened when Boise played Penn State
in the thirty carries for?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
But how many miss tackles in that game?
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Here sixteen sixteen, it's pretty good against Yeah, against State,
and now he got a hunter. He got to a
little over I think it was one hundred and two yards,
but it was high volume Carresey fumbled twice, so so
I think anybody wants to be a detractor of gent
that would be the thought. But again I would I
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would want to go Ty Warren or Genty. I would too,
I would too.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
I think this is is not a very It might
be the worst value slot because your your one A
of quarterbacks has already gone, and your two top level
guys have gone, and now there's a gap. And but
to your point, there's less of a gap to Genty
and Warren than there is to like a Willkam.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Genty and Warren in any draft. Are you know top
ten guys?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yeah, right, yeah, which is why I totally agree with you. Okay,
here we go. Patriots pick us in. Let's find out
what they do.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Goodell Roger Goodell walking to the podium in Green Bay
right now with the fourth pick in the twenty.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
Twenty five NFL Draft. The New England Patriots like Will
Campbell tackle.
Speaker 8 (35:00):
You, Will Campbell offensive tackle Lsu six foot six, three
hundred and nineteen pounds.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Sixteen yard gain, Williams powerful run.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
That's where they think they can have some success with
their outstanding set of tackles them.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
He don't them, right, Will Campbell.
Speaker 8 (35:19):
In the letter durable, aggressive, and athletic. Campbell is a
good downfield blocker with heavy hands, but he can be
beat by inside moves in pass protection. He needs to
improve his violence and lateral moves to avoid being shifted
to the guard position at some point. He was voted
the best offensive lineman in the SEC while earning All
American honors in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
All right, there you go, Will Campbell LSU.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
No shock, I think to anybody, the only debate was
would it be maybe a Ty Warrener an Ashton Jenny?
But like you guys said, off the ear of most mockers,
is that how you say it? By the way, mockers
had Will Campbell going to LSU six six three nineteen
and is now a Patriot. It's a kind of a
boring pick, but a guy that they desperately need. They
signed Morgan Moses by the way in free agency to
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be their right tackle, and I assume this guy steps
in right away as the left tackle. Started twelve games
at LSU at left tackle in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Let's get a break.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
The Browns now after the trade with the Jaguars are
on the clock. We'll come back find out what they
do with the old Jaguars pick at number five. Next
on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Welcome to the EDFL Draft.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Now back to the Virginia Mason Athletics Center and the
twenty twenty five NFL Draft and brought to you by Gorslight,
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Speaker 3 (36:46):
All right back here at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center.
Round one of the NFL Draft is underway. We are
through the top four handboard number one to Tennessee Jaguars.
Make a move and go to two and take Travis
Hunter out of Colorado Giant shocking nobody, take abdel Order
from Penn State. Patriots just selected Will Campbell, tackle from
LSU with the number four pick in the NFL Draft.
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Let's find out right now, back to Green Bay we
go and the Browns happening. Jaguars pick at five.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
What will they do? Let's find out live on KJR.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
With the fifth pick in the twenty twenty five NFL Draft,
the Cleveland Browns selected on Mason Graham, defensive tackle.
Speaker 8 (37:26):
Michigan Mason Graham six foot three, two hundred and ninety
six pounds defensive livening Michigan marsh Canna get them stone
to the line of scrimmage Kissou Mason Graam. Graham has
a quick first step, as well as good effort and
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leffage thanks to his wrestling background. Graham was a unanimous
All American for the Wolverines, exhibiting compact power the lax
length for a player in this position. Graham could be
a solid pro and has the motor that scouts low
but other Speley won't be dominant at the next level.
After leading an Arbor following his junior season, Well do.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
You think you'll be dominant? We just talked about this
off the year. We saw him play U Dubb and
kind of like whatever. Mason Graham defensive tackle. So the
Browns make the deal with the Jaguars. They go to five.
They could have had Warren, they could have had Jenny,
they got nothing at running back on the roster.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
They go with Jerome Ford.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
As they're starting running back right now in Cleveland under
six hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
They're gonna pair this guy up though.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
He's gonna have a chance to play alongside Miles Garrett,
Mason Graham will in Cleveland. So what do we make
of this Mason Graham defensive tackle now with Brown at
number five?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Well, I think it kind of fits the area, you know,
in Big ten Country.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
And when you consider they're they're in the AFC North,
the quarterbacks they have to face, there's a defensive uh,
you know, vital concern from the standpoint of getting after
Joe Burrow, getting after Lamar Jackson, right and uh and
so when, as you said, Miles Garrett, there's a lot
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of things you can do schematically when you just got
to deal with one guy, you say, Okay, let's let's
really just slide the protection to him.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
But now you pair him with the guy inside. And
also a tone setter.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
I mean, I think there's some clearly a different athlete
and a different player in a different position. But Aiden
Hutchinson was a guy that the Lions, you know, he
remember he was number two, He went number two, Aiden Hutchinson,
and he brought a certain professionalism and nastyism and that
nastiness and competitiveness that that the Lions have really benefited from.
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And I think that you you're looking for that from
another Wolverine in Mason Grant.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
How much better is he than his teammate Kenneth Grant.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Well, they're different players. Yeah, he's a three tech.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
He's three tech is outside, say the guard in the
B gap, trying to penetrate and get up the field.
Kenneth Grant six three forty two ideal size nose tackle
playing over the center. And and so I think that
they're better players. I think that the skill that.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Mason Graham has being a three down player is more important.
I don't I don't coveted, I don't.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
I don't think that Kenneth Grant is going to be
a a three down player originally. Now he's gonna have
to really pull something off. Now in a best case scenario,
he's like Videvea, So he could be a wrecking ball.
So I don't want to I don't want to sleep
on Kenneth Grant. And you you kind of allude to
a good point that how many how much Mason Graham
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was able to get some single ones because you know
they had the best tandem of defensive track. That's right,
Let's go to the podium, Raiders on the clock. Here's
Pete Carroll's first pick.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
The LAS Vegas Raiders select Ashton Gent running back.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
He's saying, Ashton Johnty, five nine, two hundred and eleven
pounds running back, Boise State.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Green sets up a screen left side.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Gent he caught at the fifty inside the forty gets
to the sideline of thirty the twenty to ten to five.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Touchdown Boise States.
Speaker 8 (41:21):
Ashton Johnty is the consensus number one running back prospect
in the draft, and arguably the top running back prospects
since Saquon Barkley was picked second overall in twenty eighteen.
Johnty was a weekly highlight film in twenty twenty four,
culminating with a college football playoff appearance against Penn State.
Along the way, Johnty scored twenty nine rushing touchdowns and
led the nation with twenty six hundred rushing yards, proving
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himself a workhorse by averaging twenty seven carries a game.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Uh are we missing something about this guy? Is his
name Johnty and not genty. We've been calling him Jenny
for two years? By the way, are we wrong? Going
the hell? Well?
Speaker 3 (41:57):
I gotta tell you guys, when when the draft order,
when we started talking about this it felt like one
of the easiest calls of the draft is Ashton Jenny
to the Raiders at number six to go play for
Pete Carroll. Right, I mean, you know he wanted this
guy big time he gets him Raheem Mostert is running
back number one now, but he's now gonna be bumped
to number two.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
This guy last year with Boise State.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Three and seventy four carries, he had thirty total touchdowns,
and then two years ago, Hugh, he also caught forty
three for five seventy and five more. I wonder if
Pete Carroll was gonna use him as a pass catcher
and a runner with the Raiders. Well, he had a
little bit of a background in high school. He's a
slot receiver. He also played outside linebackers, safety, edge. But
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I think this guy is built to be a workhorse
type of a back, certainly a three down back. I
think they tried to lighten some of his load as
a receiver because he was getting so many touches as
a running back, but good god, six point nine yards
per carry unbelievable and as we said, sixteen forced misstackles
against Penn State in his final game he had he
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led the FBS with sixty three runs of ten plus yards,
and he had nineteen one hundred and seventy yards yards
after contact. That's more than set Like think of the
ratios there, nineteen hundred and seventy yards, seven hundred more
than second place. He hit over twenty two miles an hour,
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So he has ability to hit the home run and
to hit over twenty two miles an hour. For reference, only,
Cavante Turpin, Brian Thomas Junior, and Jamier Gibbs exceeded twenty
two miles per hour last season. So here's a guy
that you watch him and you say, Okay, there's a
physicality of a contact balance because he's short. I played
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it with EMMITTT Smith and Dallas. There's just certain things
that you know, five eight running backs can do that quickness,
that agility, but he has more musculature and when he
gets hit, his balance because he's so low to the
ground is just about as extraordinary as I've seen. And
yet he still has the ability to hit the home run.
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Last year, Saquon Barkley, obviously the premier running back in
the NFL rush is over fifty yards. Barkley had nine
The next closest guy was three these guys here and
common similar speak, similar contact balance and and oh, by
the way, the weight room prowess Genti is a six
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hundred pound squatter. And we know Saquon Barkley is kind
of legendary at Penn State in those regards, So a
lot of similators there.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
I think it's great. And we haven't even talked about
the character. One of the high character.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Guys could have gone made a money grab left Boise
State nil, you know, committed because that's what he felt
like was in his heart to do, just stay at
Boise State. And so everything you hear about him, it's
not just good character, it's elite characters. So I think
I think Pete Carroll is getting a wonderful football. Well,
the Jets pick is in at seven. We'll get to
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that in a second. But here's the reason why Pete
Carroll was taking Ashton Jenny. They were the worst rushing
team in the NFL deck.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
A year ago. No, Josh Jacobs, right, all right?
Speaker 3 (45:17):
So yeah, yeah, only one team averaged less than one
hundred yards a game and it was them, and they
ran for seventy nine. That's pathetic. There's no way Pete
Carroll was gonna allow that to contell it.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Makes all the sense in the world.
Speaker 5 (45:29):
I'm happy for Pete, and I think the hit rate
at running back in the top ten has been very,
very good since twenty sixteen. Here are your running backs
that have been drafted in the top ten, Bijon Barkley, McCaffrey,
Zeke Elliott, and Leonard Fournette is the only guy. Okay,
he was okay for a while, and he played behind
a horrible line with no quarterbacks. So if Leonard Fournett
goes someplace else, come.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
On Portles, Portles. No, that's good.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
And all those guys is special in a world now,
in the NFL world that has devalued the running backs,
those guys that actually pop them and say, hey, look
at maybe devalue everybody else, but look at these special skills.
You know, Adrian Peterson, you know a little bit before
I know a little bit before that time frame.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
The guys at the very top have really performed. And
you know, an another comment, Okay, offensive line not great,
that's a big factor. Yeah, but I can vividly remember
watching every single play of that twenty thirteen twenty fourteen.
You know, during the marsh On Lynch heyday, I'd watch
the end zone copy and I'd say, okay, there's inside zone.
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Oh wait, why isn't the guard getting to the middle linebacker?
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Like what?
Speaker 3 (46:41):
There were so many times where I would just write
in my notes b yob and and you would say, oh,
marsh On Lynch, what bring your own booze?
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Like like nobody's hennessy, be your own blocker.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Because I would look and I'd just say, hang on,
you don't draw up a scheme on a whiteboard and
run that play and don't even have anybody look at
the middle linebacker. But it happened a lot. They just
got caught up on their their blocks at the first level.
Nobody got to the second level, and there was Marshawn
Lynch having to take on, you know, a professional middle
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linebacker in the hole and somehow trying to get yards
out of it. Genty has that ability, that physicality to
and and he rolls his contact. I mean he really
he seeks contact. And so I think there's some Marshals
I've been comparing him. He's more psychon Barkley, right, But
but there's at least you've been diagrammed this thing. There's
a little bit of similarity with Marshall Lynch as well.
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You have five hundred and ninety four carriers the last
two years for Boise State. Yeah, five ninety four. So
I'm wondering, you know, he's only twenty one, how much
tread is going to be left on that tire? That's
not gonna be a factor for a couple of years.
But does Pete Carroll, knowing the lack of weapons he's
got around him, now, just Terrell Davis this guy for
a couple of years and just say here's your three
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hundred carries for three four years in a row, and
then use them up, get them out.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
And does does Jenny even get a second contract with
the Raiders? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Well, I think I think there's an argument to be
made that that you shouldn't give second contracts to any running.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Back, right right, but.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
Back this good should Like I don't play Madden at all,
my kids do. And I know there's they got they
got dials and they can pull up and you can,
you got you got sliders, you can you can increase
the strength of the speed or whatever you right, you know,
I think a guy like genty takes every offensive lineman
and just slides them. Let's go to the podium. All right,
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I'm gonna interrupt you. Sorry, The Jets are on the clock.
They took all the shot of the tackle last year.
See what they do here.
Speaker 4 (48:44):
At number seven in the twenty twenty five NFL Draft,
the New York Jets select armand mem Boom, Missouri tackle.
Speaker 8 (48:55):
Armand Bemboom, offensive tackle. At three hundred and thirty two pounds,
Membu is a talented lineman who is slightly undersized for
a traditional NFL tackle, but he makes up for it
with his composed quickness and great body control. His impressive
performance in twenty twenty four earning second team All SEC honors,
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but he really lit it up at the NFL combine,
whereas forty yard dash was the bestest for alignment his
size in more than twenty years. The twenty one year
old is agile, powerful, and could provide a boost at
the guard or tackle spot.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
You know, it's interesting that they took Fashanu last year,
your left tackle. Then they lost Morgan Moses. Now they
took Membu, who's going to be their right tackle. And
it's funny here you start thinking about tackles going in
the top ten, top fifteen, Well, those are always left tackles. Well,
the highest paid tackle in the NFL is it still
Penne sul with the Lions, because he was for a while.
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The right tackle, Yeah, is a right tackle, That's what
I'm saying. Yeah, that the that the idea of a
right tackle going top ten, top five, top fifteen, highest paid.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
That used to be crazy to think about that. Not anymore?
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Well, I don't think so. I mean have having been
a right handed quarterback. The left tackle can put you
in the hospital. The right tackle can get you on
the bench. I mean when that right tackle, what's more
concerning for you getting bitch right? But the right tackle,
when he's always in your face, it's in your vision,
it's just more bothersome. Sometimes ignorance is bliss what's happening
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behind you. So I've never really subscribed to the idea
that the left tackle. Sure, just now, the left tackle
goes against a defensive end that has to come inside.
But the athleticism, we'll talk more about it. But this
guy is the best athlete, quick footed guy, and a
young guy that's really vaulted his last year much better.
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Jets just took armand Membo offensive tackle. Missouri at number seven,
Panthers on the clock at eight. Let's break. We'll come
back and find out what Carolina does. And we are
we're cooking man. Seahawks are ten picks away at eighteen.
Right here on ninety three three kJ A RFM
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Speaker 3 (00:35):
The NFL draft that you and I You been doing
this mock draft thing that we did yesterday at the
Queen An Beer Hall for twenty seven years, which actually
was Mike Homgran's first draft is the Seahawks general manager
and head coach in nineteen ninety nine, and here we
are twenty seven years later. More than half my life
I've spent with you doing draft stuff, which makes me
just a miserable human being.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
By the way, the hell have I accomplished in this life?
For God's sake?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
But we are waiting for Roger Goodell to open the
draft in Green Bay.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Exciting times.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
There's rumors about the Jaguars potentially making a play here
very soon. Guys to move up to number two and
grab the pick from the Browns.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
You instructed me to use the.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Fitzburger spiel Stegan chart, whatever the hell let's call Steven
Spielberg Larry Fitzgerald charts. You know the difference between the
number five pick and the number two pick and the
draft on their chart, how many points it's four hundred
and sixty five, which according to them, is the equivalent
of a fourth round pick. I can't imagine the Browns
accepting a round draft pick to drop down.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
The number five. Yeah, no, nor can I. I agree
with you.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
I mean, particularly in this draft right when it's like
a shelf yep. I mean cam Ward. I think quarterbacks
are almost kind of in their own category. Cam Ward's
the best quarterback. The Titans are the team with the
most need yep, so he just kind of vaults in
there and it slots obviously, But then you've got the
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of the non quarterbacks. There's just too clear, clearly coveted
players worthy of that. I think you could have a
heck of the debate whether you want Hunter or whether
you want Abdul Carter. But I don't think there's a
debate of a third being in that discussion. Yeah, I mean,
I think some of the intriguing storylines for me, Dick,
where does Ashton Jenny go? Is he there at number six?
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Did the Raiders take him? He went in armock to
the Patriots at four yesterday? Does Tyler Warren find himself
scooting up the draft board as a coveted kind of
Swiss army knife type of guy shador Sanders obviously? How
far does he falled? Does he make the first round?
Does a team make a play to move up and
get him? And then again, Not to be repetitive, but man,
we're sitting here at right about five o'clock. The draft
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is seconds away from starting. I can't remember. I don't
know the last time a first round began and there
were no trades. There's gonna be trades in the first round.
But we're sitting here at five o'clock. We haven't had
one movie yet, mate.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
I think something intriguing to look at though, too, is
the Vegas odds on where these guys go, and compare
them to the Vegas odds when they opened. And the
biggest fall or no surprise, Shador Sanders has dropped eighteen
spots in Vegas by far Number one. Hughes guy just
kidding Will Johnson because people are listening to Hugh on
the radio. It has dropped his stock from eleven point
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five to twenty four. Oh excuse me, Will Johnson. You
like Will Johnson is the it's the tackle that he's
attack Campbell. It's Will Campbell that that you don't like.
He's dropped second, Will Johnson and the biggest riser hee
Kelvin Banks Junior, opened at twenty four point five and
has gone to seven point five.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
And I said, I like him the best as the
left tackle. I just think he's a better He has
better feet than Will Campbell and Will Campbell the LSU tackle. Now,
there's a lot to like about him. Three year starter,
came in as a freshman, was second team All SEC.
I'll pull the numbers up here on him in terms
of his sack yield, which was hardly any. Yeah, but uh,
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I just think he wins the battle too deep into
the backfield.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
How close is that tier you mentioned, the top tier
being Carter and and Travis Hunter. How close is that
second tier of Genty, Warren Campbell? How close are those
guys to that first tier?
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Well, I wouldn't put Campbell in there. I would I
would put Genty in and Warren almost in their own category.
And Banks, guys, I'm gonna cut you off. I'm gonna
cut you off. Because Roger Goodell is riding a bicycle
to the pace. Apparently that's a big thing in Green Bay.
I guess small town. You get around the by bike.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
They do that into the training camp. So he's, uh,
he's riding a bicycle.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
I hope it doesn't fall over, by the way, that'd
be kind hilarious, but I hope it doesn't happen.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
He is.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
He is on the stage right now as we are
about to open up the twenty twenty five NFL Draft again.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
They move this around every year.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I assume a bunch of Packer legends, now on bikes,
come out there joining Roger Goodell.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
But the Seahawks again, for those.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Tuning in right now, on the clock at number eighteen,
So we have a long way to go before the
Seahawks make their pick. The Titans for the first time
since they moved to Nashville have the number one pick
in the draft. They did have it three times in Houston,
but never in Nashville, followed for now by Cleveland, the Giants,
the Patriots, and the Jaguars.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
All right, what do you say? We head to Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Roger Goodell about to open the twenty twenty five draft
right here live Clay Matthews on stage, a host of
stars that are Packer legends on KJR.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
Oh boy, okay, Welcome to the twenty twenty five NFL
Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin. People said that Greenway was
too small for this, with a population of one hundred
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and seven thousand, But we have over one hundred and
twenty five thousand people here and still county. Obviously, Green
Bay may be small, but it's mighty. Thank you all
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for welcoming us here tonight, and hope you have a
great few days. Over the next three days, we will
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welcome in the next generation of stars into the NFL
and bring hope to every NFL team, And we may
have a few surprises for you tonight. But first let's
hear from some of your Packer greats. Please welcome Clay Matthews,
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thirty Nelson Mason Crosby.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I'm one Green James Jones.
Speaker 6 (07:31):
And Packer super fan Little Wayne.
Speaker 7 (07:43):
I'm gonna go off script here real quick, Roger. But
I just got off the phone with the President Donald Trump.
He asked me to pass a message along to love
thirty two NFL franchises. So let me tell you what
to read.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Is here all right?
Speaker 7 (08:02):
He says, My fellow Americans, the bear still sun.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
There you go, boys and girls.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
That is Clay Matthews, a former USC linebacker, former Packer linebacker,
getting everybody all fired up in Green Bay and beyond,
by the way, not just to the draft, but what
a scene in Green Bay. Man, if you've never been there,
I think you've been there. Dick to pen Bay, You've
been there. He've been there a couple of times. Obviously,
a goods great memories of their watching Mike Homgren back
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in ninety nine, his first Monday Night football game. I
remember him saying how nervous he was before that game,
and he walked out to just applause.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
They loved the guy when he came out there.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
And then obviously two thousand and two, Al Harris runs
right by me. You know, we want the ball. We're
going to score two thousand and three seven degrees. And
if you want to go to YouTube and watch that
highlight a fat guy wearing a pair of khakis and
a red jacket, that's yours truly. So those are my
memories of lambeau Field, but one of the great days
in sports, one of the great cities and sports in
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Green Bay, Wisconsin. Now the draft is officially the clock
has begun. Titans on the clock here at number one,
so they're gonna take cam Ward. So this always gets
me every single year. Why are we waiting ten minutes?
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Right? I mean, maybe there's some.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Television ratings purposes here, maybe they got to get some
sponsors in, but we're gonna let this thing probably run
all the way down at triple zero when we all
know what the Titans are doing.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
You're at number one, yeah, and you I.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Think I would probably wait a couple minutes to see
if there's any calls that I hadn't anticipated. But you
also want to first things first. You want to send
a message to cam Ward right that hey, we love you,
and you know we're excited. We're not taking any options.
So I think that there's some some competing objectives there
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and so I can understand a little bit on both sides.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
You they're going a little bit backwards of kind of
the way.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
I know Softi's talked about the way he likes to
build a program, and I'm with him. This is which
is how the Seahawks built their program in twenty eleven,
twenty twelve. They got everything around Russell Wilson, and then
they got and then they found their quarterback. These teams
like Tennessee now, like we've seen the Jets do numerous
times where they draft the guy to try to salvage
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a bad team. It rarely works, man, And I'm just
worried that it's not gonna work for Cambart either.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
It's a fair concern. It's a fair question. You know.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I think a lot of times teams think, well, our
rosters better than it appears if we just had better
quarterback play. But you know, we went through the spreadsheet
there of all those teams and the quarterbacks in the
top half of the first round, and and how many failures,
And I think a lot of it has to do
with a good portion of it has to do with.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Where you go Totally.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
I believe as soon as I got five fingers on
my hand, I believe if Jalen Hurts was at the
Giants and Daniel Jones was at the Eagles, Oh man,
that Daniel Jones. I'm not saying he'd be a super
Bowl but Daniel Jones would be negotiated a two hundred
million dollar contract and that and they'd be running Jalen
Herts out of the of New York.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
There's a lot, there's a that's a huge.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Extreme there because the Eagles are about as quarterback friendly
as a quarterback could ever wont in terms of the
players round Now, Philly is a tough fan base. The
weather isn't great, but you know, they had the number
one offensive line by PFF. They had the number one
receiving tandem with aj Brown and DeVante Smith. They had
Saquon Barkley, and they had the number one defense in
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the NFL. Like, if you can't win with all of that,
you can't win. Well, I mean the Titans have they
just signed Lockett yesterday. You guys saw that, the Tyler Lockett.
It's funny you look on the screen there some of
the biggest editions, Draymont Jones and Cody Barton, I mean,
and they they gave Cody Barton to deal with.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
They gave nine million guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Holy I don't know what it was about watching Cody
Barton Tyler's four million, right, But they were terrible on defense,
They were terrible on offense. They were one of a
few teams that just average right about eighteen points a game.
They do have some talent. They got Ridley, they got
Tony Pollard. Uh, they've got Locket now, but they don't
really have a lot in the trenches. I mean, Draymond
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Jones got a one year deal with them, so he's
just kind of on a prove it deal now with
the Titans. But this is a team that has a
brand new head coach and in Callahan. They they won
their division in the consecutive years, just four or five
years ago. This is a team that with Mike Rabel,
we thought they were kind of on the coming. Then
everything just fell up.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Dereck Henry too, right. They had Ranny Hill. Remember when
Tanny Hill got that big deal, putting up huge numbers
down a fell apart. They lost their identity.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
They were kind of a smash mouth team and then
they they lost that and they didn't have the quarterback
to uh, to back it up. And it's interesting they're
showing sud or highlight tapes as if.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
I think he's there. Is he there at the draft?
Is there? By the way?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Is there?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Correct? I hear that Milroe was there. Somebody said, Jalen
mill Why would Jalen Milroe be in the in the draft?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I got a little inside information on that. He knows,
he's he's self aware, he knows that he's unlikely, very
unlikely to be in the first round. From a person
that is in a position to know, wink wink, they
he wants to go and and knowing that he's probably
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going to have that that uh, I don't say failure,
but he's going to have that indignity of sitting there
through there and not be drafted, he wants to.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Use that as fuel. Lewis, Yeah, he just he wants
he wants to He wants he wants to experience the pain.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Would you want to do that? No, yeah, no way,
I can find pain in other areas no, no, no, yeah. Evidently,
but he believes that it will fuel him and motivate him,
and he's certainly aware that it's very unlikely he'll go
in the first round. It's not like it's not impossible, right, Well,
he's one of the real intriguing guys. We're just waiting
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for the Titans pick to be officially announced any minute
now by Roger Goodell. The pick is officially in, by
the way, so only just a few seconds before Goodell
makes it official, the cam Moore is going to be
the number one pick in this draft from the Miami Hurricanes.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
But the Milroe thing is massively intriguing.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I kind of agree with Dick that I think somebody
will fall in love with him and jump up and
get him, maybe in the second round. But man, he
is the epitome guys of a massive freaking project. Especially
he's playing quarterback Wilrow. Yeah, Milroe, well absolutely, And yet
his highlight tape. If if they drafted only off of
highlight tape, your twenty best plays, he'd be going right
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now to Tennessee, right because and it's not just the
running plays, you know, if I was if I was
the one picking the plays to try and get him drafted.
And in some weird world that we're talking about, this
this thought experiment world that we're talking about where the
team the NFL teams only get to pick off a
twenty teams, twenty plays. I'd have you know, probably five
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or five of them as runs right, four or five
of them as runs. And then you know his his
his best throws. Man, they're beautiful. I mean Auburn. He
throws this scissors concept with the corner way over to
the side. He throws a wheel route again in the
bowl game. I know there's a voice in the back
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of me say, why are you talking about Jay then
Millroll when he's probably not going to get drafted today.
But anyways, he's at the draft. That's why we brought
it up. Yeah, yeah, but no, No, his best stuff,
but his worst stuff, his worst stuff is really bad.
Roger Goodell is going to the podium now to make
the selection of cam Ward official and to officially kick
off the first round of the twenty twenty five All Draft.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Come on, we're the first pick in the twenty twenty
five NFL Draft. The Tennessee Titans select Cameron Warren, quarterback Miami.
Speaker 8 (16:16):
So Cam war six foot two, two hundred and nineteen
pilots quarterback Miami snap back in the Husky fourteen war
at bumpfin works out of a shack to the left
now switched up the middle first out of the.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Five lund of the end zone touchdown.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
Miami quarterback Cam Ward's journey to the NFL Draft had
a number of stops. He began his career at FCS
School University of the Incarnate Word in San Antonio. Ward
then moved down to Washington State, where he was named
Honorable mention All Pack twelve in each of his two
seasons there. Ward then erupted last season in Miami, leading
the nation with thirty nine touchdown passes, winning the ACCS
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Player of the Year award in being named a finalist
for the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
There you go, cam Ward, no surprise.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
He becomes the third Miami Hurricanes to go number one
overall in the NFL Draft. Is anybody named the other two?
One we know already we just been and Russell Maryland.
Those two were the other Miami Hurricane players to go
number one.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
How about that? We literally just talked about this off
the year. Don't act like you know he No.
Speaker 9 (17:27):
MJ asked me yesterday, when was the last time a
guy went Russell Maryland, Maryland and the other two other
two Miami Hurricanes we do have, By the way, some
breaking news to get to Uh, the Jaguars are now
on the clock at number two.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Here we go. We've been waiting for a trade, were
talking about you. We got a trade.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
The Browns are trading the number two overall pick, a
fourth rounder, and a sixth rounder to Jacksonville for the
number five pick, a second round pick, a fourth round pick,
and get this there, twenty twenty six first round pick.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
That's a lot about that.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Jacksonville just gave up two first rounders, a second rounder,
and a fourth rounder to move up three spots and
get a fourth and a sixth in return.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, it's gotta be what it's gotta be.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Travis Hunter, what are the odds that the Dion Sanders
Travis Hunter umbrella said, we don't want to go to
Cleveland get rid of this pick.
Speaker 9 (18:26):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
I think they didn't want to go to Cleveland, But
I I don't.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
I don't think teams make decisions that way. I mean, uh,
you know, Ernie of Corsi, the GM for the Baltimore Coats,
went Elway. Elway had as much juice as anybody who's
ever come out of college right right, and he was saying, Hey,
if if you draft me, I will not play for
Frank Cushy and and Ernie COSI was the GM just said,
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I don't care.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
He's the pick, like I'm not gonna go down in.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
History as the guy who who foiled this opportunity, and
so he picked them anyway, So that's a hypothetical.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
I'm not sure. I mean, I gotta think they're moving
up to get Travis Hunter guys. I mean, I don't know.
I mean, Carter is a hell of a player, but
that's a lot of draft capital to give up and take.
I think that their justification. Travis Hunters are getting two.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Plays exactly exactly, so I'd be pretty surprised at this point.
We'll see how this plays out. But we got a
couple minutes here before the Jaguars pick does come in.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Hey, MJ, MJ.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Mark, move over a little bit, Wall have thanks, you're
blocking the view bad. We're not sitting here at the beach,
for God's sakes, for trying to watch TV. Let's go back.
Cambore's twenty two be twenty three in a month. We
talked about the numbers earlier. Very accurate. Takes care of
the ball. I mean, if there's one drawback, I mean
the pop Tarts Bowl thing here. We talked about that yesterday.
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Quits at halftime in Miami loses.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
But I don't like it. I don't like it. I'm
never gonna like it.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
And there may be there be other other facts attended
to that that they that he was going to be
a catalyst for TV ratings or ticket sales.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I get it. I'm just saying it's a bad look.
But it's the modern times.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
I mean, I was stunned when Christian McCaffrey said he
wasn't going to play in the End Bowl, right yeah,
And ever since then, I've kind of been like, well,
nothing really shocks me anymore. And but but look, you know,
for me, I just look at him. What a move
that he made to go from Wazoo. And I think
this is a real key part of the evaluation of him.
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You go to Miami, Mario christ Ball is trying to
build something there and and you say, okay, how do
you assimulate in in year one? You got one year,
you don't know the system, you don't know the guys.
By all accounts, he just grabbed that leadership by the horn.
He learned everything, and he was able to come in
and just be a dude right from the jump and
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be at alpha male from a leadership, from a production standpoint,
and so I think that's a key part if you're
a value waiting. Hey, he's done it. He just went
from Wazoo to Miami. And then the other part, I
just think when you compare him to Sanders, I think
that he's more of a elusive in the pocket, although
I think Sanders gets good marks in that way, but
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I do think that he has a better feel. But
he just he has an ability to anticipate in intermediate
throws and he's got a very quick release, so when
he sees something that's gonna come open, he can get
the ball into tight windows. And and he has a
vision and an ability to see big plays out there.
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He goes and now he's almost there's not a throw
he didn't like. I mean, you gotta got of rate
and back he had. He had about a handful or
at least two or three of those seven interceptions. Two
or three of them were of the appalling variety, like
what are you doing? Like you can't throw a football
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to a car wash and not get it wet, I
mean way across his body late, Like the worst sins
you could imagine, So you got to rain a little
bit of that in. But like this, the mobility Hugh, yeah,
I think he's really mobile now once he gets outside
the pocket and he's actually running.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, yeah, he does.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
He You know, he doesn't strike me as a four
or five guy, you know, maybe more of a four
to six guy. But I think the short area of quickness,
the ability to move in a vague guys, I think
is there for sure. Well, the Jaguars pick is in.
We're just waiting for this pick if you're tuning in
right now. The Browns and Jaguars made a deal. It
took the draft starting to have somebody give up their
original draft pick in the first round. And by the way,
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now the Browns have three picks in the top thirty six.
They have the Jaguars pick at five here coming up
in a few in a few pick excuse me, and
then thirty three and thirty six. So Jacksonville and the
Browns traded. Jacksonville now on the clock at number two.
Jaguars gave up the number five pick tonight, a second
round pick at number thirty six, a fourth round pick,
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and their first round pick next year. Let's find out
now what the Jaguars will do with the number two
pick on the draft. Let's go back to Green Bay
and Commissioner Roger Goodell.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
We are here tonight to celebrate the thirty two young
men entering the NFL.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I'm honored to take a moment.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
To recognize a player who's made a profound impact on and.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Off the field.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
The Walter Peyton NFL Man of the Year Award, presented
by Nationwide, recognizes one player each year who best represents
greatness and compassion, both on and off the field and
in the community. Tonight, we are proudly joined by the
twenty twenty four Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year,
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Eric Armstead.
Speaker 10 (23:53):
First off, I want to say thank you to the Commissioner,
Thank you to the Peyton family in the NFL and nationwide,
and also too tonight, I want to encourage each player
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embarking on the NFL journey to identify a passion close
to their heart and act upon it. Use your platform
to make your community, the league, in this world a
better place. As we remember Walter Payton, strive to leave
a positive legacy of your own.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Thank you. We have a trade.
Speaker 10 (24:47):
The Cleveland Browns have traded the second pick to the
Jacksonville Jaguars, and.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
With the second pick in the two.
Speaker 10 (25:00):
The NFL Draft, the Jacksonville Jaguars select Travis Hunter R receiver, defensive.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Back to Colorado.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
Travis Hunter six foot one eighty eight dB wide receiver
Colorado Morris swings up like sorry.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
That is picked off by Travis Hunter. You have got
to be kidding me.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Well, I just saw He's superman.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
He's a superhero. He's not human.
Speaker 8 (25:31):
Athlete is an understatement for this two way player. Hunter
is a big play performer with great ball skills and
superb anticipation. Is a dB as a wide receiver. Despite
immense talent, he could improve his technique. A legitimate question
is can that frame of his be dominant at the
next level. The Heisman Trophy winner has star power written
all over it, but you won't likely see the full
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package from Hunter on both sides of the ball until
later in his career.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
No uh, no shock.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
After the deal was announced, Travis Hunter is now a
Jaguar with the number two pick in the NFL Draft.
That brings us to the Giants at number three, and
that brings us to a break. We'll come back and
find out what the Giants do at number three. Cam
Ward number one, Travis Hunter number two after a trade
with the Browns. Will continue our draft coverage live next
on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Welcome to the NFL Draft.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
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Speaker 3 (26:42):
Got a joking earlier today about this rumored trade that
eventually became reality. The Jaguars moved up with the Browns
and grabbed their pick, and they took Travis Hunter. So
Travis Hunter is now going to the worst passing defense
in the NFL at a defense that had the second
to last opposing passer rating and nobody gave up more
big plays than Jacksonville did last year.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
It's seventy one plays at twenty yards or more.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
So they need this guy on both sides of the
ball Pairmum, But Brian Thomas Wright was a first rounder
last year at of LSU.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
And they might be okay. At wide receiver.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
But we were kind of joking about the difference between
the number five pick and the number two pick on
the Spielberger Larry Fitzgerald chart is a mid fourth rounder. Well,
that's not what the Jack Warrens gave up. They gave
up a lot more than that. I'm gonna run the
numbers and it's gonna be like exponentially way more than
what the chart says was worth it. So let's go
back to excuse me, Green Bay. The Giants now on
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the clock at number three. Let's find out what they do.
Here's the commissioner, here's the commission twenty.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
Twenty five NFL Draft. The New York Giants select Abdul Carter, defensive.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
End pen Saint.
Speaker 8 (27:50):
Abdul Carter, six three, two hundred and fifty pounds, edge
head steak.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Will Howard, and this offensive line knows what the dude.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Up.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
The dude Carter, the unanimous All American selection in his
final year in Happy Valley, has great explosion at the
snap and attacks with intensity. The Big Ten Defensive Player
of the Year should excel as a pass rusher in
the NFL. Despite average size for his position, Carter could
be a little better with his hands during the pass rush,
but his agility and good spin moves will still get
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him to the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
All right, Well, no surprise there.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I think the first three picks in this draft we're
pretty much sealed. A long time ago, only question was
what order Abduel Carter who had four tackles for loss
and two sacks against the Huskies back in November, Hugh,
we got a first hand look at what this kid's
all about. Well, I think what he's all about is
is a near clone of Michael Parsons. I mean, I
just look at the size six three two point fifty five.
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An incredible first step. I mean, in my opinion, and
I think an opinion shared by many, the most coveted
skill you can have on the defensive side of the
football is to be able to line up on the
edge and win with a speed rush to the outside
against an offensive tackle that terrifies an offense the most.
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Because you watched the Super Bowl last year, the Philadelphia
Eagles did not blitz one single down, just four man
rush and they made life miserable for Pat Mahomes. And
this guy has an ability. You know, he played off
ball linebacker and then when chop Robinson, the defensive end,
went onto the NFL. Coaches convinced him, Hey, we think
(29:38):
it's better for you. It's better for us. Let's make
you a defensive end. So he's a raw defensive pass
rush guy, but he doesn't play like a rack guy.
You oftentimes you would expect to say, Okay, well here's
a great athlete, but he doesn't have the repertoire. Moves
well for a first year guy, how his hand uses
(29:59):
his spin moves, he presented a lot, and he got
twelve sacks and first team All American.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I don't know. I just think this is a clear
pick for the Giants, regardless of who they have. It
took a big jump right from last year to this year.
The numbers really jumped up for this kid. Yeah. Would
that concern you at all that this was kind of
like a one hit wonder for him at Penn State
or No? No, because he had been an off ball linebacker. Yeah,
and that wasn't the role that they had in playing.
(30:29):
I think that there's still versatility.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I mean, they still move him around, but you know,
he became a primarily edged guy. So no, no, I'm
not concerned to that at all. And when you think
of the Giants the most recent two Super Bowls with
Kaughlin and Eli Manning and what have you, they beat
the Patriots seventeen to fourteen when the Patriots were nineteen
(30:53):
and oh and had the most incredible offense in the
history of the NFL. I'm Brady that year in two
thousand and seven. It's the only year where you take
the twelve most important stats. Tom Brady was number one
in every single stat the And so the Giants played
him and held him to fourteen points. And they said,
(31:14):
but why because they had a great defensive line.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
O C.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
You mean, you're tuck whatever they just had. That was
a team that was dominated by a front four. So
they're probably getting back to some of their roots. And
then of course there's Lawrence Taylor. So in many ways,
this is a great Giant pick reminiscent of their Super
Bowl accomplishment. Well, what do you do here if you're
the Patriots there they're sticking I guess with their original
(31:39):
pick at number four. So so no deal here. Mike Rabel,
the first year, first draft for him as the head
coach in New England, you got you got Will Campbell
there on the board, obviously you've got Ashton Jenny sitting
there on the board. What do you think the Patriots
do here? Guys at that number four? You well, all
the mocks have them taking on a tackle, maybe Will
(31:59):
Campbell at LSU. If I were the Patriots, I would
not want to take Will Campbell and find not well,
I take Membo over him.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I would take I would, but I would really what
I would focus on as I'd say, Okay.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Who's special? Who's special in this draft? Where you say
this guy's like better than what we see? You know,
it doesn't have to be a once in a generation player,
doesn't have to be a once in a ten year player.
But somebody say, hey, we only come around these kind
of guys every three four years. Well that's Asson genty
(32:35):
and that's Ty Warren in my opinion. So to me,
even though they need help on the offensive line, I
don't want to take an offensive lineman with a high
bust factor. I mean we went through the thirty one quarterbacks,
and eleven of them we went red, green and yellow
like a traffic light with a green greens being surf
(32:56):
fire great picks.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Red's beying.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Holy cow, wouldn't him in the sixth round and uh,
and then the yellows and it was eleven greens.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Uh, and it was eleven reds and and uh the
rest were yellows.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
And so to me, you see that with offensive lineman,
and I think I think there's too many questions about
the offensive lineman. I want tywarn or I want to
ask genty right right, just because I think they're the
special players left here.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
The Patriots are devoid of game breakers and Ramandra Stevenson's
a three point nine yard per carry is nothing running back.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
They have no line, and you can have no line.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I mean, imagine drafting Jenny and he gets killed and
he's got nowhere to go, right, that'd be the concerns
that would be. And you'd say, if you want to
be a critic of a pick, of asking Jenny going there,
you'd say, what what happened when Boise played Penn State
in the thirty carries for?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
But how many miss tackles in that game?
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Here sixteen sixteen, it's pretty good against Yeah, against State,
and now he got a hunter. He got to a
little over I think it was one hundred and two yards,
but it was high volume Carresey fumbled twice, so so
I think anybody wants to be a detractor of gent
that would be the thought. But again I would I
(34:16):
would want to go Ty Warren or Genty. I would too,
I would too.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
I think this is is not a very It might
be the worst value slot because your your one A
of quarterbacks has already gone, and your two top level
guys have gone, and now there's a gap. And but
to your point, there's less of a gap to Genty
and Warren than there is to like a Willkam.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Genty and Warren in any draft. Are you know top
ten guys?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yeah, right, yeah, which is why I totally agree with you. Okay,
here we go. Patriots pick us in. Let's find out
what they do.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Goodell Roger Goodell walking to the podium in Green Bay
right now with the fourth pick in the twenty.
Speaker 6 (34:52):
Twenty five NFL Draft. The New England Patriots like Will
Campbell tackle.
Speaker 8 (35:00):
You, Will Campbell offensive tackle Lsu six foot six, three
hundred and nineteen pounds.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Sixteen yard gain, Williams powerful run.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
That's where they think they can have some success with
their outstanding set of tackles them.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
He don't them, right, Will Campbell.
Speaker 8 (35:19):
In the letter durable, aggressive, and athletic. Campbell is a
good downfield blocker with heavy hands, but he can be
beat by inside moves in pass protection. He needs to
improve his violence and lateral moves to avoid being shifted
to the guard position at some point. He was voted
the best offensive lineman in the SEC while earning All
American honors in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
All right, there you go, Will Campbell LSU.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
No shock, I think to anybody, the only debate was
would it be maybe a Ty Warrener an Ashton Jenny?
But like you guys said, off the ear of most mockers,
is that how you say it? By the way, mockers
had Will Campbell going to LSU six six three nineteen
and is now a Patriot. It's a kind of a
boring pick, but a guy that they desperately need. They
signed Morgan Moses by the way in free agency to
(36:05):
be their right tackle, and I assume this guy steps
in right away as the left tackle. Started twelve games
at LSU at left tackle in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Let's get a break.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
The Browns now after the trade with the Jaguars are
on the clock. We'll come back find out what they
do with the old Jaguars pick at number five. Next
on ninety three three KJRFM.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
Welcome to the EDFL Draft.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Now back to the Virginia Mason Athletics Center and the
twenty twenty five NFL Draft and brought to you by Gorslight,
by R and R Foundation specialist the Queen Anne beer Hall,
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three KJR FAM.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
All right back here at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center.
Round one of the NFL Draft is underway. We are
through the top four handboard number one to Tennessee Jaguars.
Make a move and go to two and take Travis
Hunter out of Colorado Giant shocking nobody, take abdel Order
from Penn State. Patriots just selected Will Campbell, tackle from
LSU with the number four pick in the NFL Draft.
(37:08):
Let's find out right now, back to Green Bay we
go and the Browns happening. Jaguars pick at five.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
What will they do? Let's find out live on KJR.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
With the fifth pick in the twenty twenty five NFL Draft,
the Cleveland Browns selected on Mason Graham, defensive tackle.
Speaker 8 (37:26):
Michigan Mason Graham six foot three, two hundred and ninety
six pounds defensive livening Michigan marsh Canna get them stone
to the line of scrimmage Kissou Mason Graam. Graham has
a quick first step, as well as good effort and
(37:48):
leffage thanks to his wrestling background. Graham was a unanimous
All American for the Wolverines, exhibiting compact power the lax
length for a player in this position. Graham could be
a solid pro and has the motor that scouts low
but other Speley won't be dominant at the next level.
After leading an Arbor following his junior season, Well do.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
You think you'll be dominant? We just talked about this
off the year. We saw him play U Dubb and
kind of like whatever. Mason Graham defensive tackle. So the
Browns make the deal with the Jaguars. They go to five.
They could have had Warren, they could have had Jenny,
they got nothing at running back on the roster.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
They go with Jerome Ford.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
As they're starting running back right now in Cleveland under
six hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
They're gonna pair this guy up though.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
He's gonna have a chance to play alongside Miles Garrett,
Mason Graham will in Cleveland. So what do we make
of this Mason Graham defensive tackle now with Brown at
number five?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Well, I think it kind of fits the area, you know,
in Big ten Country.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
And when you consider they're they're in the AFC North,
the quarterbacks they have to face, there's a defensive uh,
you know, vital concern from the standpoint of getting after
Joe Burrow, getting after Lamar Jackson, right and uh and
so when, as you said, Miles Garrett, there's a lot
(39:04):
of things you can do schematically when you just got
to deal with one guy, you say, Okay, let's let's
really just slide the protection to him.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
But now you pair him with the guy inside. And
also a tone setter.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
I mean, I think there's some clearly a different athlete
and a different player in a different position. But Aiden
Hutchinson was a guy that the Lions, you know, he
remember he was number two, He went number two, Aiden Hutchinson,
and he brought a certain professionalism and nastyism and that
nastiness and competitiveness that that the Lions have really benefited from.
(39:40):
And I think that you you're looking for that from
another Wolverine in Mason Grant.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
How much better is he than his teammate Kenneth Grant.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Well, they're different players. Yeah, he's a three tech.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
He's three tech is outside, say the guard in the
B gap, trying to penetrate and get up the field.
Kenneth Grant six three forty two ideal size nose tackle
playing over the center. And and so I think that
they're better players. I think that the skill that.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Mason Graham has being a three down player is more important.
I don't I don't coveted, I don't.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
I don't think that Kenneth Grant is going to be
a a three down player originally. Now he's gonna have
to really pull something off. Now in a best case scenario,
he's like Videvea, So he could be a wrecking ball.
So I don't want to I don't want to sleep
on Kenneth Grant. And you you kind of allude to
a good point that how many how much Mason Graham
(40:40):
was able to get some single ones because you know
they had the best tandem of defensive track. That's right,
Let's go to the podium, Raiders on the clock. Here's
Pete Carroll's first pick.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
The LAS Vegas Raiders select Ashton Gent running back.
Speaker 8 (41:00):
He's saying, Ashton Johnty, five nine, two hundred and eleven
pounds running back, Boise State.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Green sets up a screen left side.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
Gent he caught at the fifty inside the forty gets
to the sideline of thirty the twenty to ten to five.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Touchdown Boise States.
Speaker 8 (41:21):
Ashton Johnty is the consensus number one running back prospect
in the draft, and arguably the top running back prospects
since Saquon Barkley was picked second overall in twenty eighteen.
Johnty was a weekly highlight film in twenty twenty four,
culminating with a college football playoff appearance against Penn State.
Along the way, Johnty scored twenty nine rushing touchdowns and
led the nation with twenty six hundred rushing yards, proving
(41:44):
himself a workhorse by averaging twenty seven carries a game.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Uh are we missing something about this guy? Is his
name Johnty and not genty. We've been calling him Jenny
for two years? By the way, are we wrong? Going
the hell? Well?
Speaker 3 (41:57):
I gotta tell you guys, when when the draft order,
when we started talking about this it felt like one
of the easiest calls of the draft is Ashton Jenny
to the Raiders at number six to go play for
Pete Carroll. Right, I mean, you know he wanted this
guy big time he gets him Raheem Mostert is running
back number one now, but he's now gonna be bumped
to number two.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
This guy last year with Boise State.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Three and seventy four carries, he had thirty total touchdowns,
and then two years ago, Hugh, he also caught forty
three for five seventy and five more. I wonder if
Pete Carroll was gonna use him as a pass catcher
and a runner with the Raiders. Well, he had a
little bit of a background in high school. He's a
slot receiver. He also played outside linebackers, safety, edge. But
(42:42):
I think this guy is built to be a workhorse
type of a back, certainly a three down back. I
think they tried to lighten some of his load as
a receiver because he was getting so many touches as
a running back, but good god, six point nine yards
per carry unbelievable and as we said, sixteen forced misstackles
against Penn State in his final game he had he
(43:06):
led the FBS with sixty three runs of ten plus yards,
and he had nineteen one hundred and seventy yards yards
after contact. That's more than set Like think of the
ratios there, nineteen hundred and seventy yards, seven hundred more
than second place. He hit over twenty two miles an hour,
(43:27):
So he has ability to hit the home run and
to hit over twenty two miles an hour. For reference, only,
Cavante Turpin, Brian Thomas Junior, and Jamier Gibbs exceeded twenty
two miles per hour last season. So here's a guy
that you watch him and you say, Okay, there's a
physicality of a contact balance because he's short. I played
(43:49):
it with EMMITTT Smith and Dallas. There's just certain things
that you know, five eight running backs can do that quickness,
that agility, but he has more musculature and when he
gets hit, his balance because he's so low to the
ground is just about as extraordinary as I've seen. And
yet he still has the ability to hit the home run.
(44:11):
Last year, Saquon Barkley, obviously the premier running back in
the NFL rush is over fifty yards. Barkley had nine
The next closest guy was three these guys here and
common similar speak, similar contact balance and and oh, by
the way, the weight room prowess Genti is a six
(44:34):
hundred pound squatter. And we know Saquon Barkley is kind
of legendary at Penn State in those regards, So a
lot of similators there.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
I think it's great. And we haven't even talked about
the character. One of the high character.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Guys could have gone made a money grab left Boise
State nil, you know, committed because that's what he felt
like was in his heart to do, just stay at
Boise State. And so everything you hear about him, it's
not just good character, it's elite characters. So I think
I think Pete Carroll is getting a wonderful football. Well,
the Jets pick is in at seven. We'll get to
(45:08):
that in a second. But here's the reason why Pete
Carroll was taking Ashton Jenny. They were the worst rushing
team in the NFL deck.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
A year ago. No, Josh Jacobs, right, all right?
Speaker 3 (45:17):
So yeah, yeah, only one team averaged less than one
hundred yards a game and it was them, and they
ran for seventy nine. That's pathetic. There's no way Pete
Carroll was gonna allow that to contell it.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Makes all the sense in the world.
Speaker 5 (45:29):
I'm happy for Pete, and I think the hit rate
at running back in the top ten has been very,
very good since twenty sixteen. Here are your running backs
that have been drafted in the top ten, Bijon Barkley, McCaffrey,
Zeke Elliott, and Leonard Fournette is the only guy. Okay,
he was okay for a while, and he played behind
a horrible line with no quarterbacks. So if Leonard Fournett
goes someplace else, come.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
On Portles, Portles. No, that's good.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
And all those guys is special in a world now,
in the NFL world that has devalued the running backs,
those guys that actually pop them and say, hey, look
at maybe devalue everybody else, but look at these special skills.
You know, Adrian Peterson, you know a little bit before
I know a little bit before that time frame.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
The guys at the very top have really performed. And
you know, an another comment, Okay, offensive line not great,
that's a big factor. Yeah, but I can vividly remember
watching every single play of that twenty thirteen twenty fourteen.
You know, during the marsh On Lynch heyday, I'd watch
the end zone copy and I'd say, okay, there's inside zone.
(46:37):
Oh wait, why isn't the guard getting to the middle linebacker?
Speaker 1 (46:40):
Like what?
Speaker 3 (46:41):
There were so many times where I would just write
in my notes b yob and and you would say, oh,
marsh On Lynch, what bring your own booze?
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Like like nobody's hennessy, be your own blocker.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Because I would look and I'd just say, hang on,
you don't draw up a scheme on a whiteboard and
run that play and don't even have anybody look at
the middle linebacker. But it happened a lot. They just
got caught up on their their blocks at the first level.
Nobody got to the second level, and there was Marshawn
Lynch having to take on, you know, a professional middle
(47:14):
linebacker in the hole and somehow trying to get yards
out of it. Genty has that ability, that physicality to
and and he rolls his contact. I mean he really
he seeks contact. And so I think there's some Marshals
I've been comparing him. He's more psychon Barkley, right, But
but there's at least you've been diagrammed this thing. There's
a little bit of similarity with Marshall Lynch as well.
(47:36):
You have five hundred and ninety four carriers the last
two years for Boise State. Yeah, five ninety four. So
I'm wondering, you know, he's only twenty one, how much
tread is going to be left on that tire? That's
not gonna be a factor for a couple of years.
But does Pete Carroll, knowing the lack of weapons he's
got around him, now, just Terrell Davis this guy for
a couple of years and just say here's your three
(47:57):
hundred carries for three four years in a row, and
then use them up, get them out.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
And does does Jenny even get a second contract with
the Raiders? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Well, I think I think there's an argument to be
made that that you shouldn't give second contracts to any running.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Back, right right, but.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
Back this good should Like I don't play Madden at all,
my kids do. And I know there's they got they
got dials and they can pull up and you can,
you got you got sliders, you can you can increase
the strength of the speed or whatever you right, you know,
I think a guy like genty takes every offensive lineman
and just slides them. Let's go to the podium. All right,
(48:38):
I'm gonna interrupt you. Sorry, The Jets are on the clock.
They took all the shot of the tackle last year.
See what they do here.
Speaker 4 (48:44):
At number seven in the twenty twenty five NFL Draft,
the New York Jets select armand mem Boom, Missouri tackle.
Speaker 8 (48:55):
Armand Bemboom, offensive tackle. At three hundred and thirty two pounds,
Membu is a talented lineman who is slightly undersized for
a traditional NFL tackle, but he makes up for it
with his composed quickness and great body control. His impressive
performance in twenty twenty four earning second team All SEC honors,
(49:17):
but he really lit it up at the NFL combine,
whereas forty yard dash was the bestest for alignment his
size in more than twenty years. The twenty one year
old is agile, powerful, and could provide a boost at
the guard or tackle spot.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
You know, it's interesting that they took Fashanu last year,
your left tackle. Then they lost Morgan Moses. Now they
took Membu, who's going to be their right tackle. And
it's funny here you start thinking about tackles going in
the top ten, top fifteen, Well, those are always left tackles. Well,
the highest paid tackle in the NFL is it still
Penne sul with the Lions, because he was for a while.
(49:50):
The right tackle, Yeah, is a right tackle, That's what
I'm saying. Yeah, that the that the idea of a
right tackle going top ten, top five, top fifteen, highest paid.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
That used to be crazy to think about that. Not anymore?
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Well, I don't think so. I mean have having been
a right handed quarterback. The left tackle can put you
in the hospital. The right tackle can get you on
the bench. I mean when that right tackle, what's more
concerning for you getting bitch right? But the right tackle,
when he's always in your face, it's in your vision,
it's just more bothersome. Sometimes ignorance is bliss what's happening
(50:24):
behind you. So I've never really subscribed to the idea
that the left tackle. Sure, just now, the left tackle
goes against a defensive end that has to come inside.
But the athleticism, we'll talk more about it. But this
guy is the best athlete, quick footed guy, and a
young guy that's really vaulted his last year much better.
(50:44):
Jets just took armand Membo offensive tackle. Missouri at number seven,
Panthers on the clock at eight. Let's break. We'll come
back and find out what Carolina does. And we are
we're cooking man. Seahawks are ten picks away at eighteen.
Right here on ninety three three kJ A RFM
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