12th Man 2025 Draft Coverage: Round 1, Hour 4 - Zabel Reaction, Schneider-Macdonald

In the fourth hour of KJR's 12th Man Draft Coverage, Ian Furness, Rob Rang, and Hugh Millen continue to react to the Seahawks' selection of Grey Zabel at #18 then listen and react to comments from John Schneider and Mike Macdonald.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the NFL Draft.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Now back to the Virginia Mason Athletics Center and the
twenty twenty five NFL Draft and brought to you by
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
Texans traded the twenty fifth pick to the New York Giants.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
We're the twenty fifth.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Pick in the twenty twenty five NFL Draft. The New
York Giants select Jackson Dart, quarterback Mississippi.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
All right, Jackson Dart selected by the New York Giants
as they trade back into the first round at number
twenty five overall, they trade with the Houston Texans, quarterback
out of Mississippi via USC Kysville, Utah.

Speaker 5 (00:49):
As well. Pretty excited though, Yeah he was. And I
told you off there, I gotta fix this because I
had said in the last segment it looked to me
we can't hear the audio, we just see the video.
It looked like he was shaking hands with his boys,
and I commented, wait, he doesn't look too happy. Well,

(01:10):
I spoke too soon, because they showed another image right
when he actually did get the news, and he exulted.
I mean he exalted like he had won the lottery,
like he's you for it. So at any event, I
think he deserves me to to correct the record on
my impressions of his reaction to being a Giant.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
When we just had a trade to Atlanta making a
trade with the Rams to move up to that number
twenty six pick, we know they're not taking a quarterback.
The pick is in. We'll let you know what that
is in just a second. Baltimore Ravens are on the
clock next at number twenty seven. They don't need a quarterback.
Lions Golf, No Daniels, Washington, No, We're looking at Court Buffalo, no,
Kansas City, no Philadelphia. Know so, I think it's safe

(01:53):
to take a trade, and wasn't. He'll take a trade
to move back in there. But if nothing else, the
second quarterback taken was Jackson Dart as well. Let's get
the Falcons selection here, Jackson if we can pop that
up with Roger Goodell.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Raams have traded the twenty sixth pick to the Atlanta
Falcons With the twenty six pick in the twenty twenty
five NFL Draft, the Atlanta Falcons select James Pierce, junior
defensive end, Tennessee.

Speaker 5 (02:20):
Okay, so the Falcons have been drafting for a fantasy
football team for several years, and they got their quarterback,
yep right in Pennix. They got the running back and
BZ Robinson, they got the tight end Pits, they got
the tight end, the wide receiver in Drake, London. They

(02:42):
have spent an exorbitant number of top of the first
round picks, all on offensive players that touch the ball,
and and the Falcons have each year the narrative has been,
but we need a defense, and specifically specifically, we need
a pass rush. This Pierce guy is some kind of

(03:03):
dude coming around the edge. He's a high cut athlete.
Now he may not be a three down guy, rob
but this is a pass rush extraordinary in terms of
the twitchiness of the athleticism. And so I think that's
it's finally probably in a lot of Falcons mind, they're
addressing a big time position.

Speaker 6 (03:24):
In need, no question about it. I mean, now they've
done this twice. I mean they have not only Pierce
here number twenty six overall, but with their native pick
number fifteen to Jalen Walker from Georgia, so in case line, yeah,
they've got they've got two edge rushers here. And so
the Raheem Morris is the head coach of the Atlanta Falcons.
I mean this is a club. To your point, Hugh,

(03:44):
the Falcons have finished either last or second to last
in sacks the last three consecutive seasons. They needed to
address that. Raheem Morris, the defensive minded head coach. You
knew that they were going to address this, but I
just love the bolden said this. We saw the Falcons
a year ago, of course, be bold. They brought in
Kirk Cousins, and they bring Michael Panks junior at the

(04:05):
quarterback position. Look at the Falcons double dipping again this year,
except at the second most important position on the football
field other than quarterback is of course, that rusher.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Rob Ryng Hugh Mill and the infant for Ginia Mason
Athletic Center here on nine three point three, KJFMA, let
me probably in this segment, because we're waiting for the
first round to end, We're waiting perhaps to get Gray's abel.

Speaker 5 (04:27):
On the phone.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
I'll probably lean on Rob a little bit looking ahead,
because I don't want to get have John Schneider and
McDonald up there and not get a chance to talk
about the second and third rounds tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
Let me throw up.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
I don't like hypotheticals, but I'll just throw a little
question at you. Hugh and Rob jump in at eighteen Zabel.
Was there probably some pressure to take a lineman? I
mean maybe, and I say not just pressure from the outside.
I'm sure internally, John Schneider is talking to his offensive staff,
talking to the head coach and saying, we need help
on the interior of the line. Twenty ninth offensive line

(04:58):
that they've taken far and away the most in terms
of position group that they've taken over the years, and
shenat a guy here in twenty ten at the same time,
Donald Locke are not long term contract.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
Guys, guys that you know. I mean, there's Do you
think there was any thought at all to take a
Jackson Dart. Yes, I think there's always talk unless you
have a really young, really good quarterback. I don't think.
I don't think the commanders were talking about Jackson Dart,
but I think the majority of the team, more than
half of the teams were absolutely having a legit discussion

(05:31):
about Jackson Dart. I just feel like that with Sam
Darnold at twenty seven going on twenty eight, and he's
he's kind of graphing up in his last twenty four games.
He's he is eighteen and six exactly seventy five percent

(05:54):
now in the history of the NFL of all guys
that now, this is sixty year more starts, and there's
a big difference between twenty four and sixty There's only
been three guys in the history of the NFL that
have one seventy five percent of their starts autogram Darryl
Lamonica and Pat Mahomes. Tom Brady's seventy four point nine.

(06:17):
So seventy five percent is now. I don't I understand
people say, well, how many games do you have to
have before you start to get impressed. I don't know
the answer to that. That's probably different for every single
fan you know, you know, is it is it three
out of four? Is it nine out of twelve? Is it?

(06:37):
Like you know? At some point? But seventy five percent
is really good? Is twenty four games another? Look, that'd
be a weak argument for me because because you could
shoot it down, twenty four is not enough. But he's
eighteen and six over and that included I believe four
and two at Carolina when he did much better than
Baker Mayfield Dell did it Carolina. So you know, there

(07:02):
may be the thought that he's an ascending player. Remember now,
he was drafted at age twenty. Sam Darnls I believe
a mayor June birthday, So his rookie year, he had
just turned twenty one. He left two years on the
table at USC he came out after his red short
sophomore year, left two eligible years, and the Jets when

(07:24):
the offensive coordinator, the offensive coordinator, first of all, he
got fired after his rookie year. Then the next dude
got fired, and and and then I looked at their
history afterward, they never showed up in the NFL again. No, right,
Like he had a tough situation as a young guy.
He got mono early. Like like if you if you
want to make excuses and call him excuses, fine, but

(07:46):
I'm just giving you some facts about his his timeline.
And so why I think this is important to the
Jackson dart Is you say, well, how how do we
feel about Sam darl I think that there's enough there.
He's young enough, and there's enough there that that I
would say, let's use the first round draft pick and
try and help this dude. Let's be all in on

(08:07):
trying to Jackson Dart by all appearances, doesn't seem to
me to be so transcendent that he say we got
to get this now. He may be the next Tom Brady.
I don't know. But to my if I was in
the building and they asked me my opinion, I would say,
let's just go all in for and for a year
on Sam Donald, trying to be the best we can
around Sam Donald, and then we can reassess after the

(08:29):
season about how important it is to get a young quarterback.
I mean, there's only eight quarterbacks who have ever in
the history of football, who have ever won fourteen games
and thrown for four thousand yards, and Sam Donald's now
one of them. Now he gets the he got the
extra seventeenth game. You know, it's I mean, there's there's

(08:52):
some little things you can say, you know, ask for
us if you want. But but he may be an
ascending player, and I'm okay with not getting a quarterback, So.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
One hundred percent agree with you. I just think that. Look,
I like Sam Donald, or excuse me, I like Jackson Dart.
I like Sam Donald bore. I just am going back
to his USC days. I just don't care what he
did at the New York Jets and some of these
other franchises that frankly don't play NFL caliber football very often.
So I'm not at all worried about that. I just
think that again, invest in Sam Donald to protect him,

(09:25):
protect the investment you already made. To me, that's the
better way to playing football.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Well, and Malchi starts, by the way. Safety from Georgia
just went to the Baltimore Ravens with pick number twenty seven.
That leaves the Lions on the clock just a handful
of picks left before we're done with this first run
of the draft. Here tonight, we'll hear from John Schneider,
Mike McDonald before we go off the year here the
Virginia Mason Athletic Center. And that's what I wanted to
get you guys. I think it's important because, like every year,

(09:51):
we have the same conversation, are the cux going to
take a quarterback? And who is the quarterback?

Speaker 7 (09:56):
You know?

Speaker 4 (09:56):
Greg Bell asked a question last year to John Schneider
about what the long term planet quarterback was and Schneider
famously said to him, are you kidding me with that question?

Speaker 5 (10:06):
And I thought, weird answer.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
Because pretty legitimate question, fair question, very fair question, in fact,
great question. And then at the same time, and think
about what happened. Well, the guy that started for you
last year's gone. So the long term answer or the
long term plan was, we don't have one right now.
So it's a legitimate question to asked two quarterbacks. We
all know I've been picked picked that would be of
course Russ and then Alex McGoo UFL Hall of Famer.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
Your question about Jackson Dart to me, if Gino Smith
was still the quarterback, might have a different answer, because
but you've got seven years younger. Yes, yes, And and
I've got a long list of of stats where basically
under center and play action, Sam Darnold was is demonstrably

(10:54):
superior to Geno Smith. That some of the things that
they're trying to do with the outside, So I think
that the offense is going to look different. And look,
I don't know what's Sam Darl's gonna do. If I did,
I'd be in Vegas right now betting on it. Right,
But you know, there's reason enough to optimism I didn't

(11:15):
need to see Jackson Dart with the agent.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
All right, Jackson, can we just take a quick break here.
I want to stay on time, so I want to
come back and make sure we have time. Want to
get Rob's thoughts on day two. I know he's putting
the list together for Day two. Busy day coming up
tomorrow for the Seahawks. Again, we'll hear from Mike McDonald,
John Schneider before we go off the air. We'll hopefully
here at some point from grays Abel as well. We
did hear the conference call earlier. We'll keep you updated
on the Lions. Are still on the clock. Lions at

(11:37):
twenty eight. Then the Commanders, Buffalo Bills, Kansasity Chiefs, and
your Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles. The round out the
final five picks of Day one of the two thousand
and twenty five NFL Draft. Will take a break, come
back with more a nine three point three k DFM.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Welcome to the NFL Draft.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Now back to the Virginia Mason Athletic Center. And then
twenty twenty five NFL Draft and brought to you by
Coors Light, by R and R Foundation specialists. But Queen
Anne Beerho and by Fox thirteen on Sports Radio ninety
three point three kJ R.

Speaker 8 (12:10):
Bel what do you do tonight?

Speaker 5 (12:12):
What do you do tomorrow?

Speaker 7 (12:13):
Before the Seahawks send you out here?

Speaker 9 (12:17):
I'm probably gonna start diving into these bush lights and
after twelve hour roll, we get to celebrate it for
twelve hours, were gonna get back for it. So I
got an unbelievable crew here, my head coach, my offensive
line coach, they're all down here and a lot of
friends and family. So HI alert for Pere, South Dakota.

(12:40):
We're gonna we're gonna have some fun and we're gonna
enjoy this tonight.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
Oh glad that Greg Bell asked that question. That's Gray's
able to Seahawks first round pick number eighteen. Overall, we're
gonna dive into those bush lights. Let's go, huh, let's go.
That's you know what, That's what you do. If you're
nag business major, that's what you do. Jump right in
those days, there's boys in lacross Washington doing the same thing.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
Right now, there is added humor to the fact that
it's bush lights. Yeah, I mean, isn't that just like
a North Dakota state? I mean, is that it Is
that a bush beer. It's either that, it's one of
the other. It's gonna be one of the it's gonna
be a little rock bottom boot drinks bush well guys.
Evidently him Grand Schools, buddy, you went to It's different. No, no, no, no, no,
Shafers all the Safers on Lake Washington. Don't tell me

(13:26):
we got poor college kids too.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
Now, yeah, Shafer, you dated yourself on on on.

Speaker 5 (13:36):
Awful cheap beer. I can I can see him and
raise him. You find some smitty animals. Shafers were the
cheapest thing in the in the.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
Rack, Rob, you want to chime in on the scouting
report on cheap beers or is that that?

Speaker 5 (13:48):
Is that not be quite the Yeah, that's not so
much my strategy.

Speaker 6 (13:52):
I usually I'm going with a little bit higher. Yeah,
the bush lights, I don't know nothing.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
I heard the chuck of Greg Bell News Tribune obviously
if the KJR contributor as well, that we're just laughing at.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
Thanks for the question.

Speaker 7 (14:06):
That's one of the best answers I've gotten in twenty
three NFL drafts. I've been talking to guys when they
get drafted.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
Was it.

Speaker 7 (14:12):
I don't think there are any bush flights left in the
coolers at PITERR South Dakota.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
I don't think so. I think they'll be getting after
it tonight down there. What were your impressions of Gray's abel.

Speaker 7 (14:21):
Well, first of all, he's going to be a treat
I mean to talk to as a journalist to get
insight about how to play offensive line, to play outside zone,
which he said fits his game because of his quickness
as athleticism. To me, guys, this pick represents a couple
first here for John Schneider in his regime of sixteen years.
As Rob rangg you guys probably already talked about as well,

(14:43):
they haven't picked an FCS player in round one before.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
Now Rob brought that up.

Speaker 7 (14:46):
Yeah, they haven't picked an interior, a true interior offensive
lineman in round one before the James Carpenter in twenty
eleven converted right and they converted post Ethan Posik, who
was a college center last year at LSU, he was
a tackle primarily, and Justin Brittle was played three positions
for the Seahawks after they draft.

Speaker 5 (15:06):
This is the.

Speaker 7 (15:07):
First true guard they're they're listing as a guard that
they've drafted before round three and the first FCS player
they've drafted in round one. It tells you how urgent
that need a guard is. That, even the the GM
that likes to zag when everyone says he's gonna zig,
he zigged.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
They have a need.

Speaker 7 (15:27):
At guard that is so glaring that they couldn't even
ignore it. And I'm not certain that Grey's Abel was
the best available player on their board. Had guys like
Calvin Banks Junior or.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
You name a couple.

Speaker 7 (15:40):
I mean the wide receiver from Arizona, Ted McMillan. If
those guys are available, they may still have picked grays Abel.
That's how urgent this need is at guard. He broke
a lot of precedence tonight picking that making this pick.
I didn't think he picked Gray one because he's FCS
and two because of an actual guard.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
Well, let's dive into the urgent need. I mean, all
of us who watch the tape, uh, we see it.
You didn't have to watch the tape. You could just
be a casual fan watching. You could have twelve yeah,
just watching the game, or you can you can be
a guy who dives into data. You're a data ther.
There's plenty of data to support it. Okay, So, so

(16:19):
internally and ignoring external factors. John Schneider may well have
come to the conclusion that we must get a guard, right,
but he said a couple of days ago, Hey, it's
a it's a lazy narrative because everybody strongs on putting
aside that's illogical.

Speaker 10 (16:39):
The way.

Speaker 5 (16:40):
Yeah, that was a little bit. Yeah, right, So so
so he gets a little frosty in that interview, and
and he forgets the fact that, yeah, it's tough to
uh to scout offensive lineman, but you gotta do it.
Every team's got to play with five of them. We're
grading on the curve and you're not. You're at the bottom.
Somebody's somebody's doing well. Eagles and no, the Eagles. Actually

(17:03):
Seattle's number thirty two over the last fifteen years ian
in terms of if you take every ranking over the
last fifteen years PFF offensive line rankings, put them all
on a spreadsheet, add them up. The average for Seattle's
twenty five point one place it first is best. So
Seattle is the worst and they've only they're only in

(17:24):
the top half one out of those fifteen years, and
that was ranked fourteenth, and being the frequency of times
in the top half one that's dead last. So they're
dead last on a lot of and the Eagles are
number one. So by getting to my question, so he
could have well just you know, assimilated all of that

(17:47):
by himself. But the fact that he says it's that
it's a lazy narrative maybe hints at the fact that
he's feeling a little bit of the of the outside noise,
whether that's from the twelve, whether that's from you know, media,
people like us or whomever that will him saying that
is kind of snapping. So, so what's your take on

(18:11):
to the degree to which he may have succumbed to like, Hey,
it's not my nature to go with the guard and
an FCS guy, but I'm kind of sick and tired
of all the chatter about our terrible offensive line.

Speaker 7 (18:22):
What's your so he'd better be here hearing it and
feeling it. It wouldn't surprise me if Jody Allen and
Burke Cole when they said here's what we're gonna do.
We're gonna trade Gino Smith wants forty million a year.
We don't want to give him that. Pete Carroll will
trade for him tomorrow. In a second let's trade him
and we'll bring in Sam Darnold and give him thirty
plus million a year. We'll give him three years, one
hundred and five million. It wouldn't surprise me at all

(18:42):
if Jody Allen and Burke Colt spoke and said, who
are we gonna get blocking for him so that he
doesn't get killed with? And she's involved enough to write
the checks, it's a hundred she she's inclined enough to say,
if I'm gonna have one hundred million dollar quarterback, I
think she's in tune enough to say, what's our offensive
line plan? As you know, and we've talked about it,
you've talked about on my show before. If you have

(19:04):
a guard getting beat, your play's done. That quarterback can't
beat inside pressure, inside the guard, between the guard and
center gap.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
You're done.

Speaker 7 (19:14):
And Sam Donald is not Michael Vick. If you don't
have guards that are holding up, your play is done.
It doesn't matter what Sam Donald did for the Vikings
last year. It doesn't matter who your quarterback is. If
you have interior guards, center pressure, you're done.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
What what what kind of that's Greg Bell, Hu Mail
and Rob ring Rob Just a quick question, were there
other offensive interior offensive liignement there.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
I think there was at least one that would have
grated out higher than Gray's Abel.

Speaker 6 (19:41):
I don't think in the wide zone system. I think
that that's what it's abled to me. And I love
the fact that he just said that he liked I
think it was what a yap power his favorite play, Yeah,
his favorite play. I still think that his best attribute
is aflic ability. I really like Donovan Jacksonville House the way. Yeah,
won a couple of picks later, but still Zabel's upside

(20:03):
to me, you know, made him the better selection. And
so that's why, as we just talked about, I mean
I am a little bit surprised that Josh Schneider decided
to kind of stay on track with what the expectation.

Speaker 7 (20:17):
How much do you think position versatility rob played into this?

Speaker 6 (20:20):
Oh, I definitely think that's part of it too. I
mean that's one of the things going back to the
New Orleans Saints of course, where we're seeing the Rick Dennison's,
the John Benton's, uh you know, come to Seattle from
that was one of the things that they did. I mean,
even last year's pick mount to Homa's own Taliesfa. I mean,
of course, played right tackle at Oregon State. They moved
into left tackle, and they selected Caesar Ruzzi Ruiz who

(20:41):
was a guard at Michigan. They moved him into center.
Eron McCoy was the was the center they moved to guard.
I mean they the New Orleans Saints under these men
that are now the Seahawks offensive line, Guru's kind of
made a name for themselves in taking players and moving
them along the offensive line. That to me, Zabel is
easily the most versatile offensive lineman in this draft class.

(21:04):
And so I think that that very much checked the
box for them.

Speaker 5 (21:06):
Let me just get this out.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
Washington Commanders with pick number twenty nine, Dan Quinn, who
was on our radio show yesterday or actually today with
Earl Thomas when he called in. I don't know who
got him on the show, Thanks Chess, But Deek and
the Commanders just took from Rainier Beach High School University
of Oregon Josh Cornerley junior, So the second local player
from our state, our area drafted in the first round.

(21:29):
Abuka and now Connorley both first round draft picks. The
offensive tackle from Oregon goes to the Washington Commanders with
that pick number twenty nine. Hugh just just to go
back to that to wrap it up when he said
his favorite play, what'd you think?

Speaker 5 (21:45):
What I liked about it is is that's what he's Okay,
A get power is just hey, we're coming down and
it's man on man, there's going to be a collision.
It's like, you know, I'm gonna move you, and it's
an attitude play. And you could tell that was just
kind of his nature. So we had made the comparison
Greg about an hour ago on the show that that

(22:08):
Steve Hutchinson. You know, if you take a pick in
the seventeen, you know, you know you're looking for a
few checks to be First of all, he's got to
be a great player, right, but he's got to be
nasty and he's got his attitude's got to permeate the
offensive line room right to spend that kind of capital
on a guard. But the attributes of Hutchinson was athlete, yes,

(22:33):
but also very smart. And Rick Dennison is the current
offensive running running coordinator for the Seahawks. He was in
Denver cutting his teeth when I was with the Broncos
and Alex Gibbs was the offensive line coach, the famed
godfather of the outside zone, and so Rick Dennison presumably

(22:56):
and the relationships he has with Kubiak because he was
youry Kubix offensive line coach, his his connections, his background.
I would think you'd think, like Alex Gibbs, Well, I
know from that mentality that their guards they don't care
if they're tall, they're short, and they don't care if
they're really heavy. That they want guys the way six

(23:17):
to six. I know, I know they didn't need that right,
but but they want they want guys that have good
feet and are smart. And Alex, Alex Gibb was loath,
never ever ever bring me a dummy. I don't want
a dummy. And and so I really feel like these
I know, I'm kind of there's a nexus of of

(23:39):
Rick Dennison slash Alex Gibbs in my commentary, and there's
an element of Steve Hutchinson. But I think they're all
messing and pointing to these attributes that fit Hutchinson but
also fit Rick Dennison, who I think had some some
uh some input you and I've been saying, you know,
you got to change the methodology. They got new people

(23:59):
in building Dennison.

Speaker 7 (24:01):
It says they've changed the yea right, so'll the same.
Here's something else for you, guys. I think there's a
real chance that the Seahawks are going to have side
by side starters from North Dakota State on their offensive line.
Sundell Jalen Sundell, his system, the system, the outside zone
for the center position for him that the coaching staff
have been talking about, how Sundell fits this system so
much better than last year's. You could have Sundel center,

(24:24):
Zabel left guard. That would set you up for four years.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
Yeah, and guys, let's just talk some specifics about the
versatility Becauld. We're talking about him being the most versatile.
Last season twenty twenty four, North Dakota State nine hundred
and sixty one snaps at left tackle, no other positions.
Right the year before twenty and twenty three zero snaps
at left tackle, two hundred eleven at left guard, three

(24:49):
at right guard, six hundred and eighty six at right tackle.
The year before that, I'd never I rarely go back
three years, but the year before that just thirteen snaps
at left tackle, one hundred and fifty two at left guard,
four at center, zero right guard, in three hundred and
seventy eight at right tackle, so he has far more

(25:11):
all at him up in the break. He has far
more reps at tackle, left and right tackle than he
has at guards. And there's only three reps at center,
so most of it, excuse me, fourteen reps at center
he had. He had more reps in the Senior Bowl
at center than he did at arit. So those are
some numbers.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
So all of you just talked about person experience, position
versatility with Rob. I mean he's played every position on
the offensive line he has, I mean, which is Okay,
we've got to do this. Take a quick break, stick,
Can you stick around for second. I've teased this long enough.
I want to come back. Rob's gonna give us some
thoughts on day two, and the second and third rounds
will get you both of your thoughts on work direction.

(25:52):
They should go because they just did something that was
the most predictable, biggest need ever, which is the least
predictable thing for johsh the un Let me hit the obvious,
So let's try to find out what the obvious would
be there as well.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
We'll do that coming up next ninety three point three.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Welcome to the NFL Draft.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
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Speaker 3 (26:26):
We'd the eighteenth pick in the twenty twenty five NFL Draft,
the Seattle Seahawks select Gray Zabel, guard North Dakota State.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
And that was a pick of number eighteen as announced
by the Commissioner Roger Madell. The Seahawks taking Gray Zabel
with that eighteenth pick, North Dakota State. And here we
are near the end of the first round. Philadelphia Eagles
have just moved up in the draft. They've just flipped
while they moved from thirty two to thirty one, be
given a fifth round pick to the Kansas City Chiefs
and a little Super Bowl trade there. Think they're taking

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joh Campbell, the maybe the best linebacker in the draft.

Speaker 5 (27:03):
So the rich Gate.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
Crag bells here from the News Tribune, Hugh Millen, Rob
rang all Right, Rob Day two four picks for Seattle
in Day two on Day two with the second and
third rounds give us some thoughts what.

Speaker 5 (27:22):
They might be looking at. Maybe some names as well.

Speaker 6 (27:24):
Yeah, I think that again, the fact that the Seahawks
decided to stay on the straight and narrow is a
little bit surprising, but in a way it's not. I
actually had the Seahawks going with offensive linemen in the
first round before. I view defensive line, edge rusher, wide receiver,
cornerback all his positions of concern. Some of those positions,

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of course, have been picked apart a little bit so
far in the first round. But to me, there are
still plenty of big names out there. Some of my
favorite edge rushers, for example, Donovan Ezeraku is still available.
To me, he would make some sense if you're looking for,
you know, the along the defensive line, that there is

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a bunch of big names that are available. Sorry, going
back to the edge rusher, Mike Green for Marshall is
another one who's a first round caliber player. Has some
character concerns that might push them down the board, But
that's exactly what you might be looking for at this point.
I mean, obviously the Seahawks we got long ways to
go to the seatle is back up we're only a
pick number thirty one. Seatle isn't back on the clock

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until number fifty. But at the same time, that's to me,
that is one of the beautiful things about Seattle peddling
DK Metcalf and Gino Smith in the first place, is
the strength of this draft class guys is not in
the top ten. The strength is in the second round,
in the third round. With Seattle having four selections there,
they're in prime position to really take advantage of this

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class edge rusher.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
You well, I say all the time, I only scout
guys that I think are going to be in the
first round. So I turn it over to Rob on
those those downs. Tate Ratledge is a guy that I
originally scouted hard as a guy that might be a
first round of the right guard for Georgia. I think

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there's a chance that he would slip there, and I
don't care if he's there, I would take him. And
you say, well, that's two guards. Yeah, yeah, they played
like they needed two new guards, right and you know,
one of them and maybe maybe uh yeah, maybe Gray
goes to center.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Fine, but we'll stop right there, because I think that's interesting,
like like if they would if they did go down
that road because that was a guy Rob you and
I talked about him from Georgia, the kid Rattletics.

Speaker 5 (29:38):
Right, yeah, that is a possible first round pick as
a guard and and and athletically fits fits the profile,
the quickness and is one guy we we should talk about.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
Sundell because that's that name has been was brought up
by Gray's Abels, his teammate North Kota State. He made
this team last year's undrafted free agent was here all year,
got a handful of snaps, right, I think at one point.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
But but tackle. Yeah, but but a guy that they
think maybe play center. Correct, that's right? What was did
you watch it? Did you have anything on him last year? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (30:10):
I mean he was a guy that was a you know,
high priority free agent that there was a lot of clubs.
I think that we were very interested in him, same
kind of things we talked about with Zabel. He's been
moved around a bit, but at the same time, he
saw the size, he saw the athletic ability, and I
I know that going to the Seahawks Rooky mini camps
and then training camp even just watching them, just seeing

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like this guy is a legitimate athlete. You know, and
and so I I am intrigued by that and definitely
was getting that feel even towards the end there. Uh,
it just felt like I believe with Mike McDonald and
John shut are both kind of unprompted, would just name
drop Jalen Sundell late.

Speaker 7 (30:48):
At least three times at the combine without being asked
about it.

Speaker 6 (30:50):
Yeah, and so I think that they're just kind of
telling you about what their plans are there.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Did I'll tell you something here that there's just one
of that guy's name out like that, a guy that
was just kind of.

Speaker 7 (30:58):
I've never heard him talk about it, undrafted rookie, Yeah,
two like that.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
I was like, yeah, I mean you always wonder if
it's lying season, but I think you know, Christen Haynes
is also a guy that that that probably give one
more bite at the apple with him. What happened there?
Do you think?

Speaker 4 (31:16):
I mean you're tied with with his college coach. We
had Jim More Junior on sitting right here. Uh, you know,
tomorrow will be one year ago when he got drafted
in the third round, and I think we all came
away thinking, this guy's a starting guard for you this year.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
Yeah. He just never materialized well, And I admitted my
bias right off the back, because Christen Haynes was my
son's roommate right for two years I think might have
been three years, but at least two years, and my
son loved him and just totally vouches for his character
and uh, you know, I think that was uh, you know,

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he had opportunities here, we're talking about grades abel, opportunities
to go ni luh. Christian Haynes stayed at Yukon all
through the bitter years, and uh so I thought there's
a lot of cool things there now they you know,
said last year Ryan Grebbs said, there's there's some strength
issues so on the scale. Uh, obviously, every offensive line

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coach would want to have a really you know, you know,
long guy who's heavy, whose athletic as hell, who's nasty
as hell and smart as hell. Like every nobody is
inventing new boxes to check the box. Everybody knows the
boxes are known, and everybody wants to check them. The
issue is if you can't check all the boxes, what

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are you willing to work around? And Haines, Okay, if
he doesn't have that power box check, he he has
the quickness and so the ability uh to get around,
to to to move. I mean, I've stored, I've told
this story, but Tom Nalan was a seventh round pick
from BC when I was with the Broncos. He said

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that that's not relevant. Well, Rick Dennison was his coach
and and my the first year was there. He was
just the seventh round, smallest, like underpowered center. You know,
I knew him inntally ultimately, if you know what I'm
talking about, as quarterbacks and centers do. And we had
this thing. You know, he's from BC, so I was
with the Patriots, so I just thought he was a

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cool little kid. But I had no idea. The new
staff comes in with Rick Dennison and they and they're
looking at the scout team tape and they go, that's
seventh rounder. You know he's he's pretty good. Well, tom
Nalan was then the starting center, first team All Pro
on two occasions, four Pro Bowls, and the anchor of

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the offensive line that that paid the way for Terrell
Davis to have two thousand yards winning super Bowl. You know,
he's got two super Bowls. So the point is is
that that he looked like an afterthought, but in that
particular schemes like he could fit, and so Rick Dennison,
who was on that staff, might come in and go.

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You know, Hayes was an afterthought, but he might fit
because of him. And outside zone, by the way, was
the specialty for Yukon those years. So I don't think
he closed the book on cruise.

Speaker 7 (34:11):
I put Haines and Somedell in the same category of
the system fitting him better this year than it did
last year. Guys tomorrow, what I think they're gonna do
it would I'm really looking at Jayden Higgins from Iowa State,
the six four to two fifteen or so wide receiver.
I'm not saying he's DK Metcalf, but he's that type
of player that just goes and gets the ball contested
in the air that they don't have anymore because they

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traded him to the Steelers.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
I also stop right there because I want to stay
with the wide receiver for a second.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
Rob like that, because I think we'd agree that's a
position of need, right and especially if you can find
an X receiver.

Speaker 5 (34:43):
They don't have that guy. They need an X receiver.
They got no doubt.

Speaker 6 (34:47):
Higgins is probably the best of the remaining receivers as
far as having that size of speed combination, because that's
one of the things that really jumps out to me
is they got nine wide receivers on the roster right now.
Two of them have ever run a four to four
in their life. That is the slowest wide receiver corps
in all of the NFL from what I've seen.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
And so again, your your look is priceless right now.

Speaker 6 (35:08):
Again, I mean you have to and then and that's
again going back to the Saints and the type of
offense that I saw Clinton Kulback run in the past.
I mean he he drafted guys like or was part
of the team that drafted guys like like a Chrystal
Lave and a Rashichia Heat and guys that have, you know,
four to three type of speed. So Higgins is one
of those that really intrigues me. I think that that
Jack Besh who actually didn't run in the four forest,

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but it is one of my favorite receivers in this class.
He also has the size to be able to project
outside to that spot. Uh, my favorite wide receiver in
this entire class other than Travis Hunter, even more than TETROA.
McMillan for me is Luther Burden, the third who is
still available there. He played primarily in the slot. But
this is a guy that has built like a running back.

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I mean, he is so good after the catch, and that,
to me was the biggest knock I had about the
Seahawks receivers last year. Even DK Metcalf, as big and
strong as he was, he didn't create me yards after
catch as I hoped he would, and certainly Tyler Lockett
did not. And so that to me is as Greg said,
I think wide receiver's position, I.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Kind of wonder if they if they don't if they
have one of those guys you just mentioned, because I
think that's such a glurting need right now.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
Guys, do do you package something and trying to move up?
If there's I was gonna say.

Speaker 7 (36:18):
Rob Mentions four picks tomorrow, Browns two and three, that's
a lot of ammunition to move all over the board.
And you got teams like the Giants and the Browns
who did not draft a quarterback today who may be
able to play with you. Here's another name for you, guys.
I mocked this in the News Tribune as well. If
he's around Jalen Millroe late in the second round if
he's still available.

Speaker 5 (36:39):
All right here, what do you think far away?

Speaker 7 (36:41):
I'm telling you they they're gonna draft a quarterback this year.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
The look on his face wasn't as bad as when
Rob just said they don't have a wide. They only
have two wide receivers out of nine that run sub
four or five. Well, that looked was like my god,
you you said you're coaching Mount Saigin.

Speaker 7 (36:54):
Well, the question becomes, they don't have a quarterback of
the future now past twenty twenty six. I used to
ask John that question this time last year.

Speaker 5 (37:02):
Yeah, but now that question question is a serious question.
I think he threw a brown there too.

Speaker 7 (37:08):
But that question now side past twenty twenty six, because
basically Darnold's on a two year deal. The third year
is a ballooned figure. They're just like Geno Smith will
decide whether they need to do something with it, would
not say Gulack as signed just for two years. Tell
me what you think of Jamie.

Speaker 5 (37:25):
Are coming in pretty quickly. Well, Jalen Milroe, his highlights
are unbelievable. Not just his running highlights, we know about that,
but his passing highlights. But when you say, okay, consistency
in both his reads and his throwing, because he'll be
cruising along and you go, man, this guy's playing great, great, great, great,

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and then he just drops and and it's some of
the worst throws and worst decisions. Uh and and so
his highs are really high, his lows are really low
in that regard. So are you chasing traits like Anthony
Richardson and and oh Trey Trey Lance, or or are

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you tray chasing a true project that can improve like
Jalen Hurts. That's the big question.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
All right, I'm gonna send Hugh go ahead and run
up there. We're gonna have John Snower, Mike McDonald making
the way in here just a couple of seconds.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
Rob.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
The bottom line is this, there's a lot to work
with right coming up tomorrow, very much. So, I mean,
that's that's an interesting one, right.

Speaker 7 (38:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (38:30):
Luther Burden, the third from Missouri. You know, the production
just wasn't there this past season. Uh you know, but
he was a five star recruit. He goes to Missouri,
he is uh, well, he was a five star recruit
that could have gone anywhere. Of course, as a five
star he stays in state with the Missouri Tigers shows
just kind of his loyalty to the program. And he's

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immediately effective, you know, not only as a wide receiver,
but as a return guy as well. And and then
these past two seasons he was he was very productive.
It's just that he was so productive two years ago
that I think that defenses in the SEC kind of
naturally shifted towards him. And and you know, kind of
like what he was talking about before with like the
quarterback Shador Sanders and how so many of the throws

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that he made were underneath routes. Well, that's understandable because
they had a spectacular player in Travis Hunter. They're going
to try to get the ball in his hands as
quickly as possible. Same thing there with Missouri. And so
the knock on Luther Burden is that, oh, he's a
kind of a one trick pony. He's only a slot receiver.
He can't run those extended routes. I just think that
that was you can only run the routes that are

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called for you, right, And so I just think that
Burden has a great deal of upside to him. To me, he's,
like I said, he's my favorite receiver in this class.
I think that his size he's six foot, he's two
hundred and ten pounds, is a little bit thicker. The
comparison I've used before and it's a little bit of
the clumsy one, but it's Deebo Samuel, and I just
he's not quite as physical as Deebo Samuel. Only hell,

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there's no receivers in the league that are as physical
as Deebo Samuel.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
He's really rolling.

Speaker 6 (40:01):
But one of the knocks on Deebo is that he
also was viewed as a bit more of a gadget player,
as a guy who struggled with durability. Burden has not
struggled with durability, and for the life of me, I
just don't understand why more people are higher on Luther Burden.
I think he's gonna come into the NFL and be
a star right right out of the gate.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
As both the.

Speaker 6 (40:19):
Receiver and a return man. I think those are two
huge areas concerned for the Seahawks.

Speaker 5 (40:23):
It's amazing. Stat's amazing too about how slow that receiving
corps is.

Speaker 6 (40:27):
Right, want another stand on that?

Speaker 5 (40:28):
And that I don't mean really, go ahead, Well, here's
another one.

Speaker 6 (40:33):
It is Unfortunately and so I'll say this because we
at least I believe reportedly Tyler Lockett is signed with
the Tansey Titans, and I wish Tyler Lockett well. At
the same time, last year, he was credited with thirty
a total of thirty yards after contact all year long.
I mean, think about that the wide receiver position. And again,
this is the offense that is catered on receivers creating

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after the catch. So I think that that is a
position of huge concern for the Seahawks. And I'll just
throw on another one with as as excited as I
am about Cooper cup coming to the Seahawks, at the
same time, he struggled with durability himself. I mean, he's
played eight years in the NFL, and seven of them
he missed at least one game, and so that to

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me is, you.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
Know, a huge right flag for the Seahawks.

Speaker 6 (41:18):
I love the fact that they won the offensive lineman first,
but I do think I'd be stunned, frankly if they
don't use one of their selections here on Day two
on the wide receiver position.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
That's an amazing stack because there's guys that have thirty
yards after contact on one catch.

Speaker 5 (41:32):
Yes, like that's it, and they got nothing out of that.
And you're right with DK. You know, I'm a huge
DK fan.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
I'm as well, But it just there were way too
many times it felt like, Okay, you needed one more yard,
right yep, and it just and it just didn't happen.
And they, you know, mean Cup I think feels like
one of those guys, if the sticks are eleven yards
down the field, he'll run arount this twelve like he'll
find that if he's healthy, right, that's like the strength
of his game. JSN kind of feels like he's evolving

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in that same guy had a great year last year
as well. You know, Hughes talked a lot about Marcus
Veeldez scantling. There's probably a step or two lost in
that regard. And the hands aren't the greatest in the world.

Speaker 6 (42:11):
Right, Yeah, he can track over the shoulder, but he's
not the guy who's gonna come back and catch balls cleanly, consistently.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
Right, we're waiting for Mike McDonald and John Schneider. Do
I dare take a break here? Do I dare take
a break?

Speaker 7 (42:25):
Okay? Good, I won't.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
That's why I got Jackson back there as well.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
We'll tell you what happened the rest of the first round.
Maxwell Harriston went number thirty, cornerback out of Kentucky to
the Buffalo Bills. We mentioned Jehad Campbell, the rich get
Richard goes out from Alabama, goes to the Philadelphia Eagles
with thirty one. They moved up one spot. Josh Simmons,
offensive tackle for Ohio State, goes as the last pick
in the first round, number thirty two to the Kansasy Chiefs,
and he thoughts on those final.

Speaker 6 (42:49):
Picks, Yeah, I think that some of my favorite selections
is the entire draft actually have come in the last
couple of picks.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
I mean, certainly, as we just.

Speaker 6 (42:56):
Talked about with the Philadelphia Eagles aggressively TRADINGHM to get
Jahigh Campbell, you think about the defensive line talent that
that club has. That that was the only knock I
have on Johand Campbell as he came to Alabama as
an edge rusher, only made the transition to off ball
linebacker here this past season, and so he doesn't yet
have the instincts that you would expect of an inside linebacker.

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But at the same time, he's physical, he's very, very agile,
and so look, the only way that most opponents are
going to be able to play with the Philadelphia Eagles
is they're gonna have to score held a lot of points,
and they need a linebacker who can just cover running
backs one on one, cover tight ends one on one.
Johad Campbell can do that. And then the same thing
here with the Kansas City Chiefs. To wrap up the

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first round, they made their selection of the former Ohio
State Buckeys left tackle Josh Simmons. Simmons went down with
a pateel attendon injury in early October against Oregon, and
you know, he hasn't been able to play since. But
at the same time, when healthy, he looked like a
top ten, top fifteen pick. I thought that he was
going to be the very first tackle off the bar

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this year. So for Andy Reid and the Kansas City
Chiefs and obviously Patrick Mahomes to get him at number
thirty two overall, to me is like a Grand Larsening
type steel.

Speaker 5 (44:10):
I was just gonna ask you, was that is that
the steel the draft?

Speaker 6 (44:13):
It's right there among them. I think that, uh yeah,
that if he's healthy and he has the work ethic
that I think that he has, but that was one
of the knocks on him. He was and again, one
of the things I like about him this is Andy Reid.
He's very well known for being an offensive line guru
and developer, former offensive line coach, and he That's one
of the things I like about Josh Simmons is that

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he played left tackle for Ohio State. He began his
college career at San Diego State at right tackle. So
that positional versatility, I think, you know again, just makes
this a really nice fit for them.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Again, we're waiting for Mike McDonald and John Schneider. They
should be coming up to the podium any second now
if you were, if you were to look at it, actually, you.

Speaker 5 (44:51):
Know want I think they might.

Speaker 11 (44:53):
I'm getting a wave.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
I'm just saying this is this is a It's like
air traffic control here, Robbie. If you're if you're looking
through the first round one through thirty two, what's the
pick that has you scratching your.

Speaker 5 (45:04):
Head the most?

Speaker 6 (45:06):
This might feel a little bit random, But the Minnesota Vikings,
there's this election of Donovan Jackson, the player I'm very
high on. But the Vikings made some big moves in
free agency to shore up their offensive line, Will Fries
being one of them. And so that was a surprising
pick for me, you know, just because I thought that
that was a club that again had basically addressed their

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offensive line and had some other positions of concern. I
really thought that John Campbell we just talked about the
philip Eagles, would have been a really nice fit for them. Again,
I think that maybe a defensive back would have been
a very nice fit for them. I thought that the safety,
say Nick Emmanwari from South Carolina, who wound up falling
all the way out of the first round, that he

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would have been a nice fit there. Certainly, the Vikings
have a superstar still in it seems like a perennial
All Pro at Harrison Smith. But my goodness, I believe
he's thirty four years old at this point. Again, I
think that's the Minnesota Vikings, knowing how explosive their offense
has been. I think that you'd want to have some
defensive stoppers, uh to try to slow down opponents that
are trying to keep up with that Vikings offense.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
All Right, here's Mike McDonald and I believe John schnet
I see Mike mclinar, John shnein Er, Mike McDonald's head
up to the podium right now.

Speaker 12 (46:19):
Yeah, he's going different than the last time I saw
this room.

Speaker 11 (46:31):
Yeah, so exciting night. We were able to land our
number one interior offensive lineman, Grey is Abel.

Speaker 5 (46:40):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (46:41):
I believe it's the highest.

Speaker 13 (46:42):
Player we've picked since, uh, interior player we've picked since Hutch,
which was cool.

Speaker 11 (46:48):
I was able to be part of that with Coach
Holmer and Ted Scott McLuhan and that crew.

Speaker 13 (46:53):
So it's pretty fun. And Hutch loves him. Every loves
this guy. Just he's just button up, tough, smart, reliable,
a kind of guy. And uh, really you know, our
first exposure was at the Senior Bowl when he had
a great week down there, and it was like and
we felt like eighteen to where we were, you know,

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it was like a sweet spot for the interior offensive lineman.

Speaker 11 (47:19):
Then Booker went, Booker went.

Speaker 12 (47:22):
Ten or twelve, twelve, But yeah, so so excited, So
go ahead, yeah echo everything John said kind of down
my radar since the Senior Bowl and the exposure that's
kind of when we get introduced the whole process, and uh,

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just really excited to add him to the crew and
get to know him more. But he smashed the process
and everybody was really excited and just really excited for
him to come in to morrow and and get wrong.

Speaker 8 (47:56):
What do you see him playing?

Speaker 14 (47:59):
He's gonna start a guard.

Speaker 12 (48:00):
Be in working tier. But the cool thing about Gray
is is he can play all five spots. Hopefully hopefully
we're not moving around much. He's he sticks a guard
for for a long time here, but he does have
that versatility.

Speaker 8 (48:11):
I'll get of a fit with what you guys want
to do. Off with the offensive line now with Cluton.

Speaker 12 (48:15):
Everything, Yeah, you know, I wouldn't put too much like
I wouldn't put too much into like, well, he has
to be the you know, the wide zone guy. It's
this guy's a great pass protector. He can hit his
targets on the move. He's really athletic, he's tough. He
finished his blocks, which is one of my favorite.

Speaker 14 (48:29):
Things about him.

Speaker 12 (48:31):
So that way he's gonna he's gonna fit in great, John,
this is the highest and you've.

Speaker 8 (48:35):
Drafted an FCS player earlier time here?

Speaker 5 (48:37):
Have you seen that gap close a little bit with.

Speaker 15 (48:40):
The FCS SPS player He seems like, especially the offensive line,
Ali Marvin being another.

Speaker 11 (48:46):
Yeah, long ago, there's been a numb from.

Speaker 8 (48:48):
The offensive line of the lower divisions that are a
picks earlier.

Speaker 13 (48:52):
Yeah, Trent was shown me Kurser will show me a
picture of their twenty twenty two their national championship team,
and all five of those guys are playing in the
National Football League. They coached really well, it's a great program. Uh,
you know, great offensive line coach. You could tell when
guys are just tell when guys are coached up talk well.
And that's that's one on regardless of of the level.

Speaker 8 (49:16):
For both of you guys.

Speaker 13 (49:17):
But yeah, offensive lineman for sure. I mean you're like
going all over there like they're coming on shapes and sizes,
and you gotta find the competitors regardless of the uh
level competition.

Speaker 11 (49:27):
For what do you guys? Sorry about that?

Speaker 8 (49:28):
We were just kind of blowing away by him on
the conference.

Speaker 14 (49:30):
Always down to Earth's real fun guy.

Speaker 8 (49:32):
Just did talk to me about your guys experience within
that process.

Speaker 13 (49:35):
What kind of has Hutches personality a little bit David
was talking about before. H Yeah, it's fun dude thing.

Speaker 12 (49:41):
Yeah, we we totally knew that he was gonna have
a settlersip a ten a game box right there at
his UH draft party, which he won a lot of
points with me too, So we got that going for us.

Speaker 13 (49:51):
What did Hutch tell you about He just great mentioned
meeting with Hudge and being really impressed with that processing.
What did Hutch tell you about Teach just you know,
just the the person and what he's gonna bring to
the the competitor, what he's gonna bring to the room.
He's a little throwback, you know, he gets rocking the
stash and you know, I'm not sure if he's still
rocking it, but uh, I read just did a great

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job with the with the interviews in the zoom process
with him too, they all the interviews, he just he
just exudes this really cool like confidence toughness, and I
guess it's like a smart and tough, reliable guy.

Speaker 11 (50:24):
And you know, thirty five starts and you know, yeah,
and they they they they play good ball.

Speaker 13 (50:29):
Man.

Speaker 11 (50:29):
It's really great. That's a really good program.

Speaker 16 (50:31):
And I totally he'd ask you about this in the past,
was what kind of resources have in a Hall of
Fame guard.

Speaker 13 (50:36):
And in up on a staff with you to to
help evaluate these wament Yeah, y there's the way when
you see him right now, you wouldn't think he's the
right he's so skinny the two.

Speaker 11 (50:44):
Twenty five right now.

Speaker 5 (50:45):
But uh.

Speaker 13 (50:48):
No, it's it's been awesome with Hutch you know. It's
uh he's his own pilot now, right, so he flies
himself around and.

Speaker 11 (50:55):
Checks out the guys. So it's pretty it's pretty cool
having him with us.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
Is he able to us?

Speaker 8 (50:59):
He turned downs figure and a dalle stupid or experience form.
What's you have to tell you about here?

Speaker 11 (51:07):
I mean he's still loyal dude. I mean he's really
close with his family.

Speaker 10 (51:12):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (51:13):
It's a good just good person.

Speaker 13 (51:14):
I mean, you know it's these guys he gets recruited there.
You know, he just he's he's confident, loyal, tough dude.

Speaker 15 (51:22):
John n you talked about pas blind being in need,
and now you got your top your offensive Lindman on it. Yeah,
how does it set you up for the rest of
the draft or you got a lot of picks tomorrow
and and coming up over the next couple of days.

Speaker 11 (51:33):
I think it's now nine right now, so yeah, it's
it's gonna be. It's exciting. I mean, it's there's still
guys that well, I had to stop myself.

Speaker 13 (51:45):
There there's still some good you know, damn you players
up there, right, So uh yeah, no, we're we're excited.

Speaker 11 (51:51):
To keep rocking.

Speaker 13 (51:52):
I mean, this is like we've talked about this before
in the first the first night, it's like this, you know,
like entertainment World, and you know, tomorrow we wait forever
to pick and then Saturday's like roll up sleeves and
Saturday's the most fun day. But yeah, tomorrow, Tomorrow's gonna
be Tomorrows gonna be fun as well because there's a
lot of really good players up there.

Speaker 15 (52:10):
There were reports that you guys had offered to move
back and chose to stake it accurate.

Speaker 11 (52:15):
Those are not accurate. We were we were discussing it
and things did not come to fruition. John H.

Speaker 8 (52:24):
D Jalen played with him obviously.

Speaker 11 (52:25):
In Nor Dakota, Da right roommates.

Speaker 8 (52:26):
Yeah, did you learn anything unique about him from from
Jailing with the process.

Speaker 13 (52:30):
Yeah, I stayed away from him personally, but the guys
all had like you know, all the guys have talked
to Jailing about him, and yeah, he's great guy.

Speaker 11 (52:40):
But he just checks, like I said, he just checks
every box. There's nothing you can.

Speaker 13 (52:42):
Really except would you say he was like what do
you say he was drinking bush light or something? Yeah, yeah,
that's not You're not checking a box there. He needs
to swish it up a little bit, both of you guys. Yeah,
he's in coin of good poys in college.

Speaker 11 (52:58):
John, Yeah, or both of you guys do so.

Speaker 5 (53:01):
I I'm sure that you have six or eight boxes
on your scouting guards that that you want you would
like to have checked.

Speaker 11 (53:07):
Just like all teams.

Speaker 8 (53:09):
But is there one or two boxes that you say, hey, look.

Speaker 5 (53:12):
This is like the most of we gotta have. This
is non and moost lay. There are a couple of
traits or attributes that you're really honey form that guard.

Speaker 11 (53:22):
Yeah, I would say the physicality.

Speaker 13 (53:24):
I would say toughness, physicality, you know, the the the
the finish, the will to finish. It just stands out
when you see guys. You know, I'm sure you've noticed
this over the years. Now you like you when you
see guys finishing downfield, I mean it looks rare, which
you know, guy's cleaning up and uh, he's one of
those guys.

Speaker 8 (53:43):
What about the outside zone puts him and what about
who fits the outside.

Speaker 14 (53:47):
Of yes, from the question a little bit earlier.

Speaker 12 (53:50):
But I l I like if he finishes the blocks
and then finding his targets down the field in space.
Obviously he's a really great athlete how he moves.

Speaker 7 (53:59):
And then.

Speaker 14 (54:01):
You know, it's easy to overlook past protection.

Speaker 12 (54:03):
You talk wide zone all the time, but you could
argue that's kind of where it starts in in the
evaluation process.

Speaker 14 (54:08):
And yeah, pretty good.

Speaker 12 (54:11):
Hard to find a rep that he he had a
hard that he had a hard time winning, and and
uh down a mobile.

Speaker 14 (54:16):
So and he took a lot of one Yeah you.

Speaker 15 (54:17):
Talk about mobile and you guys were there having a
big circle the one D one drills.

Speaker 8 (54:21):
He took all commers at his position of the line.

Speaker 11 (54:24):
Yeah, have you seen something like that before? No, it
he was stealing reps. It's pretty cool. And he stood out.

Speaker 13 (54:30):
I mean, he did g he could he could have well,
he could have left. You know, he was voted like
the practice player of the week. And a lot of
those guys leave, they don't, you know, stay for the
game and then all they've improved their s you know,
draft value or whatever. And he stayed and competed and
played garden center in the game, and uh, he stood
out down there for sure.

Speaker 5 (54:49):
Like what does his first job weakner?

Speaker 11 (54:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (54:52):
Sorry, no, I'm sorry, yes, Uh what does his versatility
said about his football?

Speaker 14 (54:57):
Like you it's you, yeah, talking about how smart he is?
I mean again, hopefully you know, we find a home
for him at one position and he and he lives
there for a really.

Speaker 11 (55:07):
Long time for us.

Speaker 14 (55:07):
But I think it just just speaks with savvy. It's
not easy to move and it's not easy to find those.

Speaker 12 (55:12):
Guys that could play interior and uh and a tackle,
so he's one of them, and uh he's ours now
any Saints he's.

Speaker 10 (55:19):
Worked out at least? What does that to say just
about who is understanding in magnitude.

Speaker 5 (55:25):
That he's relating to take the next level.

Speaker 14 (55:27):
I wish there was more to that.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
I I mean, I love that.

Speaker 12 (55:30):
I love that they work out together and they have
a prior relationship, But I hate said probably more of
a coincidence and anything else.

Speaker 5 (55:44):
We'd about different attributes for a left tackle versus a
right tackle. In your way of thinking, is there any
difference in attributes for a left guard or right guard?

Speaker 8 (55:54):
And then the follow up to that is you said
your starting the guard or you're starting at left guard
or right card.

Speaker 14 (55:59):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 12 (55:59):
I wouldn't say was a huge difference between either one.
I mean, we'll see how it shakes out on what
side he's gonna start, and you know, if there's one
one place that he plays particularly better than the other,
or you know, the rest of the guys on the roster,
on how well they play.

Speaker 14 (56:13):
We're trying to find the best cohesive unit right now.

Speaker 12 (56:15):
There's a lot of competition along our line. To say
he's gonna be slotted at this spot probably too premature
to give you that, John, There was.

Speaker 8 (56:22):
A number of offensive one and it went the first
round here tonight.

Speaker 16 (56:26):
Would were you kind of expecting to see that kind
of run on linement and any other big kind of
picture thoughts about how the first round played out across
the league.

Speaker 11 (56:33):
Yeah, we had our we had our like our strategy meeting.

Speaker 13 (56:38):
I'm losing track, But a couple of nights ago, the
pro scouts go through every team and rank like the
top five needs to talk about upcoming contracts, you know,
basically like if they're running the team, this is what
they would do, right, And uh, I wanna say, like
eighty percent of the top three needs by a team

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were there was offensive lineman involved there. So it was
a little it was a I mean it it was
even more eye opening than I had thought, you know
throughout the the the process, like you know, U, it's
ah every looking for him, right, And so I don't
know how many went. I I lost track there for
a minute at the end, but I know Josh, Josh

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got taken right at the end was eight eight?

Speaker 8 (57:24):
Yeah, John, Uh, is there just a a area scout
or someone.

Speaker 5 (57:28):
That call out? Yeah?

Speaker 11 (57:29):
Thanks, Kirk, Parrish Trent both went in there. Kirk was
fired up. You had to call him.

Speaker 13 (57:35):
Kirk was here in two thousand when we drafted Hutch too,
So that was pretty fun to you know, have him
be the cy's like he's super passionate scout, like you know,
like if if people disagree on a player, you still got.

Speaker 11 (57:48):
That old school kind of like he bows up a
little bit stuff, you know. So, Uh, it was just
it was pretty cool to be able to take one
of his guys.

Speaker 10 (57:55):
John's what you're talking about with uh, every team meeting
that every team most teams meeting.

Speaker 11 (57:59):
Offensive last year?

Speaker 14 (58:00):
Should you just staying uh?

Speaker 13 (58:01):
At eighteen And though he got the Sastereos that, uh,
we felt pretty good about being able to if we
did trade back, that there was gonna.

Speaker 11 (58:09):
Be a couple guys there that we'd be able to
go to.

Speaker 13 (58:12):
But he, he was he was number one, so it
was gonna have to be a cool deal for us,
and uh yeah, he it ended up just he ended
up just being the guy.

Speaker 8 (58:24):
Going he had to stay. What was your confidence on
one that he would still be there.

Speaker 5 (58:27):
In eighteen three? You know what?

Speaker 13 (58:30):
Uh, I'd say like eighty percent. Everybody was talking like
they didn't know when the guards were gonna start going.
We got a little jiggy when when the book got taken.

Speaker 11 (58:43):
With Dallas, but there was a m yeah, there's a
couple guys there but that we liked.

Speaker 8 (58:51):
But yeah, thirty six and after as you gurgled him.

Speaker 11 (58:55):
Er, uh yeah, he's a really good athlete. I mean,
I mean you could tell just by looking at him
with a mustache and the body type. Yeah, yeah, I know.
The guy's good athletes really quick.

Speaker 8 (59:06):
Did John Bennon have like what was his role in
this selection?

Speaker 5 (59:11):
Yeah, they have the whole staff.

Speaker 14 (59:13):
I mean he's as much as JB can jump right now,
you know where he's at he was doing it.

Speaker 12 (59:19):
He was really excited, and Clinch's really excited. The rest
of the guys, you know, Jo Justin, Allen Rico, those
guys had a really high, high opinion of them throughout
the process too, So everybody was really fired up, as
you honest.

Speaker 17 (59:32):
Or both you guys, but more so Coach, you know,
being on the phone and him, the personality comes across
not only Himer, but he's a competitor, right, what does
it mean to bring somebody like that into your locker
room and know that that's gonna get a bit.

Speaker 12 (59:44):
Well I had to get some believe it or not.
I had to get emotion out of him on the phone.
So I think I succeeded a little bit. But if
you get I mean, you know, obviously family and friends
were there, and you know, it's cool when you're on
the phone with him and then you go back and
then you know, they show up the TV clip of
you know, the party going on, and you just understand
how big of a moment it is for him and
his family.

Speaker 14 (01:00:03):
And I'm just really proud.

Speaker 12 (01:00:04):
Of like all the stuff that you got to do
to get to that moment. But those are the guys
we want in our locker room. They're going to come
in and compete. And we've talked about this at length,
I feel like, but just the guys that love the
process of doing football every day and that shows up
and how much you can improve from a day to
day basis and then how long you you know, how
much you love your teammates up, how you're able to
connect with all the guys around you on a day

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and day out basis and just operate the way that
we want to operate here. And so that's one of
the reasons we're so excited.

Speaker 11 (01:00:32):
Mike.

Speaker 8 (01:00:32):
You mentioned competition when it came to the quarterback position
the other day.

Speaker 16 (01:00:35):
When we talk to you, now, any grade to Anthony
and Christian and Satawa Boat, you know guys that are
already on these guys to off high opinions of what
do you think that's going to do to.

Speaker 8 (01:00:46):
Your group now to kind of try to push them forward?

Speaker 14 (01:00:48):
Oh yeah, a huge layup question.

Speaker 12 (01:00:50):
But it's I mean, any you're at, I mean, look
the guys laugh, like, we're gonna get reps here. We're
going to maximize aim that of time that we're giving
these guys are going to ample opportunity to show what
they can do, and you know, you want to make
decisions in a timely manner, so you can you know,
you can gel the group together. But you know, we
said this like we're really excited about the guys we

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have as well, and uh, we're gonna have ample opportunity
to show what they can do. And and uh really
confident that you know it's gonna be able to gel
and and uh really surprises.

Speaker 11 (01:01:19):
People this year.

Speaker 14 (01:01:20):
If Booker was still there when you guys were picking,
was still great over Booker?

Speaker 8 (01:01:24):
And if if so, what stood out about him?

Speaker 13 (01:01:26):
Like?

Speaker 6 (01:01:26):
W why why him over Booker?

Speaker 7 (01:01:30):
Uh?

Speaker 11 (01:01:31):
Ratter not talk about Booker?

Speaker 13 (01:01:32):
Okay, but he was the number one interior offensive lineman.
So grat it's just he's just he's an athlete. He
just again he just checked all the boxes books to
be a great player too.

Speaker 8 (01:01:46):
John, you mentioned a lot of good players in this draft.

Speaker 17 (01:01:48):
Still having four picks to marshall cut opportunities that either
to pay four guys or if you want.

Speaker 13 (01:01:52):
A new work, Yeah, if we can, you know, if
we can find people that want to move around like
pretty quiet tonight.

Speaker 11 (01:01:59):
No, Uh, it's gonna be great.

Speaker 13 (01:02:01):
I mean, we're excited you know, to be able to
we feel like we're really gonna be able to impact
our team with our kind of guys and uh, you know,
like with respect all the guys that are here right now,
bringing the people that like won't be look to work
with them, compete with them, and uh yeah, I just
continue down that that that path of you know, competing

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every day and adding as much depth as you possibly can.

Speaker 15 (01:02:26):
John Y, you guys have got a lot of capital
both free agency and O and uh draft on defense
the last few years and to build that up, uh
offensive line. Now you got two first round picks potentially
with Christian Nines and able with this two third round picks.
How do you feel about the capitol that you're putting
into the offensive side of the wall and what you
wanna do?

Speaker 11 (01:02:43):
Then, well, I mean we're it's not necessarily I know.

Speaker 13 (01:02:50):
Yeah, it's not something you go into saying we're gonna
like always just trying to like add the best players
who possibly can, regardless of position. And no, obviously there's
a you know, there's positional importance, but you know, we're
not we don't go into this thing saying, you know.

Speaker 11 (01:03:06):
We're not gonna spend money here. We're not gonna draft here.

Speaker 13 (01:03:08):
We're just it's like we're just constantly taking the best
players at the best best spots and making the right
decisions for the organization, whether you're spending money or spending capital.
I would say with with Christian, you know, Brafford Tala
adding greater that group, I mean Jalen Jalen oulu.

Speaker 11 (01:03:32):
Like pretty cool group.

Speaker 13 (01:03:34):
And like I said before, you know JB and and
uh Rico and and and Coobs and those guys are
they're excited about the guys and so.

Speaker 11 (01:03:43):
You know when they got here, they really liked them.

Speaker 13 (01:03:45):
They like the evaluation, you know, going uh through the
beginning of the of the draft process, through the combine,
when free agency started, you know, there's a couple of
guys we're you know interested in you know, but we
all also knew, like, okay, how we weigh in this
in terms of, uh, what we can what we can
do in the draft and or you know, players that

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are gonna be cap cashticks.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
Does abel see there may be some variants to this,
but now when you're evaluating players.

Speaker 5 (01:04:13):
Uh like rocking the.

Speaker 8 (01:04:16):
Nice like right that have come from growing up on
a farm and understanding.

Speaker 11 (01:04:21):
The work think and things like that, even talking about transcursioner. Yeah, h.

Speaker 13 (01:04:26):
From that from that perspective, how much does that go
into play when you're thinking about the mindset of the
type of players you wanted to bring in and does
his does.

Speaker 10 (01:04:35):
His standouts maybe more of an individualized case compared to others.

Speaker 13 (01:04:39):
Just because of that, I mean, unbiaseding from Wisconsin, so
farms tough guys.

Speaker 11 (01:04:46):
You know, we like those guys.

Speaker 12 (01:04:47):
You know, the f the farm is like one of
those prerequisite boxes that you have to check, especially on
the transcursioner report.

Speaker 5 (01:04:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:04:55):
Can you say just playing so much tackle all the
last couple of years, how much was the Senior Bowl
clinched it?

Speaker 11 (01:05:02):
Where you needed to see that to.

Speaker 7 (01:05:03):
Know how you projecting your house?

Speaker 11 (01:05:07):
Yeah? They just see 'em compete against all the guys
we're down there.

Speaker 12 (01:05:09):
Sorry, Yeah, I mean there's there's guys that were playing
tackle this year that you project I mean, you know,
to guard tow was one of those guys last year.
But anytime you see it, I mean, it's only gonna
help you.

Speaker 15 (01:05:21):
You saw this was that you're number one cheer out
in this winement. Were there any other positions that were
like it was a tough call eighteen.

Speaker 11 (01:05:27):
Or was it? A pretty smart guy? Where you fish position,
you're gonna go.

Speaker 13 (01:05:31):
I mean, our grading skills is b based off of
our team, not the National Football League, So based on
like those grades hook up, need and value, and that's
where he stood out.

Speaker 11 (01:05:44):
But yeah, there's there's there's good players up there that
it happens every year, right he y.

Speaker 13 (01:05:49):
You know, you you pick somebody and you're kind of like, okay,
now then you watch, especially when you watch these guys go,
you're kind of like it's like you know, watching.

Speaker 11 (01:05:59):
People take food off the table. You know, you're just
like watching it go away.

Speaker 13 (01:06:02):
It's like okay, right, and feel bad for the scouts
cause there's, you know, so much time put into it
on every player and these guys just especially like uh Saturday,
the names just kind of like rip off. You know,
these guys spend so much time getting to know the
player or the person, the families, the you know, the
coaches like all that.

Speaker 17 (01:06:23):
So yeah, John would have went to the decision to
with cameo as they impact biball with your defensive taper.

Speaker 13 (01:06:32):
What went in the decision, I'm sorry the wag came
I'll keep that in house. But uh, how do we
feel about the position? Yeah, we like the position. We were,
we're we're we'll be looking to add there as we
go this weekend or further into the spring. And we
usually don't comment on why we let guys go. The

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cam's a great guy, really good person.

Speaker 8 (01:06:59):
Anything else, Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
All right, there you go.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
That is John Schneider and Mike McDonald. We'll put a
wrap on things here in just a couple of seconds.
Grab Hugh Millan and Rob Ranks for some final thoughts
and look ahead to tomorrow as well, when we have
Day two of the NFL drafts. Hugh and Rob making
the way back out here after John Schneider Mike McDonald's
comments post draft post day one of the draft Round one.

(01:07:28):
All right, Hugh, final thoughts thoughts from what you just heard.

Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
Uh, well, I think they they definitely needed a guard.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
We know that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:38):
Whether or not he was their number one guard, we'll
never know. Kind of got the feeling his number two.
I'm not sure if I got that that impression. I
know that that you don't ask a a coach or
a GM the draft day, Hey, did the the player
at the position you drafted when he got picked six

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picks before, was that the one you actually wanted? Like that,
like like you thought, no, that's gonna be a dead end.
But I thought he let it slip. There wasn't.

Speaker 4 (01:08:09):
But it doesn't matter if it's if he's I thought
he kind of let it slip. Did he liked Booker
a little bit?

Speaker 5 (01:08:14):
Right? But that's what I think I think he Okay,
So so what did he say specifically? Just I'm just
reading into what he was how he talked about it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
There's a guy who liked there, and he kind of
mentioned book But it doesn't matter if he's number one
or number two.

Speaker 5 (01:08:26):
He was obviously the best one they had available at
that point. That that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
It was the best guy available at that position at
that point. And there's obviously yeah, feels a position if.

Speaker 5 (01:08:35):
I think I interpreted it as when he said, hey,
Booker went it twelve and there's six and and he
and he had alluded to hey, a run on guard, right,
and so you know, and I was thinking, hey, I
got to wait out another five because there was a
thought you could wait till tomorrow. Yeah, But I think
I think in his mind he would like to think

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that Booker would stay on the board as long as possible.
Well maybe he thought that Booker was one by for
for more people, you know, but then once a guard
goes and oh crap. You know the next guard on
the list for anybody if they need a guard, is
there could be a significant dross off. Yeah, it could
be from from one to two to three, could be

(01:09:18):
a but yeah it doesn't. He did say he did
bring up and we'll get to Rob in a second.
He didn't bring up you.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
You or somebody asked him about the position, and it's
he's gonna play guard guard.

Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
And I asked him, hey, is there you know, left
guard right guard, because like, for example, there's some offenses
you say, okay, two jet, what's two jet? You slide
the center to the left guard that that the line
has the two on the left and the will backer
for right handed quarterback. Then you then the running back
has the mic to the sam on a duel like
that's a very you know. Some people call it two jet,

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the West Coast people, three digital people call it ace protection.
And and so in that situation that the center for
right handed quarterback the center when you doing that to jet,
the center is going to go to the left guard
more often than to the right guard. So you'd say, well,
if I want my best dude at right guard, because
he's more likely to be in one on one. So

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so there's a little bit of nuance there. I think
that there's a nuance for sure. And I mean, depending
on how you want to set up your protections that
there may be situations where you just say, hey, the
right guard's gonna have more one once, or you might
say the left guard. I mean there's other protections scat
where you send the center to the right side and

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the left guard. It just depends on what scheme you
want to do. So and he would he wouldn't either
wouldn't disclose or didn't have an idea yet about left
guard or right guard. But he he did say coming in,
you know we're gonna start a mcguard. That's not a surprise.
Not a lot of talk about center.

Speaker 6 (01:10:48):
So yeah, one of the things that really struck me is, uh,
you know kind of you guys are just talking about
and the possibility of a running offensive lineman. So he was, well, well,
John Shye was kind of explained that I was looking
through the notes and just kind of counting up how
many offensive linemen went. There were eight offensive linemen to
come off the board in the first round, and obviously

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there's thirty two picks, so a quarter of the selections
were spent on offensive linemen. I think that the Seahawks
played this well because to me, the best blockers were
all taken. If you were waiting right now to number
fifty overall to be taking your top guard, I think
right now you'd be panicking a little bit, just because
again I thought there were two guards that really fit

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in nicely. In terms of checking all the boxes, I
thought the Seahawks would prioritize, namely age because some of
the guards are significantly older. Durability, Like you mentioned Tate Ratlich.
I mean, he checks off a lot of boxes, but
durability has been a problem for him. You know, size,
level of competition, versatility, all these different things. To me,

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there were two guards I really liked for the Seahawks, again,
Gray's Abel and Donovan Jackson. Kelvin Banks, to me, is
a guy that is actually who I projected for the
Seahawks here. I liked his ability to swing outside and
play tackle, but at the same time I thought it
was interesting that a couple of different times, Mike mcgald
mentioned the finish that Gray's Abel possesses. That was one

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of the knocks on Kelvin Banks is that there was
a little bit of time where he would kind of
ease off the gas pedal and rather than just pulverize
his opponent, then he would kind of just finish the rep,
but not finish it emphatically. And that's one of the
things that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:30):
Grays Abel does well.

Speaker 6 (01:12:31):
So again, I thought that the Sea How played this
nicely because they are going to come back tomorrow with
their four selections and they should be able to hit
positions that have a much more depth. Edge rusher, cornerback
excuse the edge rusher and wide receiver. I think will
be two of the top selections they make next tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:12:49):
Yeah, and I liked I liked him Kelvin Banks better
at left tackle than Will Campbell wet number four. He
I'll grant you that the finishing piece was it, But
you know what, Walter Jones wasn't an example of a
voracious finisher in a physical sense like I want to

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I want to play to end with me on top
of you on the ground. Walter Jones was more of
a of a beautiful athlete that just had this incredible
technique and and he was going to make sure that
if he blocked you that you weren't going to be
part of the play. He didn't need to bury you
to prove that. And so but an event, it's clear

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from that that they were singularly focused on offensive guard
doubt and and they have boxed themselves in a position
where they were you know that this whole idea of hey,
let's just go into it and however the draft balls,
we'll just take the best player. No, that is not
the sense we get from listening to them. They just like,
we know we need guard help. Here's our dudes. Probably

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had two of them they would have been comfortable with.
We'll never know, but but I think it. I think
it fell the way they wanted. And I think it's
a it's it's an absolutely solid pick. You want to say,
it's a bat plus pick. You know, who the who
the hell amongst us is going to get really excited
and start doing cartwheels for a guard. But you know what,
the guards allow Jackson Smith and jig By to score

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the touchdowns, and that's where we can get except.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
Ken Walker, a thousand yard rusher again almost come into
play at that point, right. I mean, like, like you said,
there's some other athletes that went later on, you know
that that you could have taken that might have been better.
I mean Matthew Golden Goes, I mean Campbell, the linebacker.
I mean, there's some other guys you would have said, hey,
that's probably not a stretch. That's like, that's a good
pick along the way. This is such a glaring need
like it is like it just like we talked about earlier.

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You could be hanging out with the with the Zabel
family in North Dakota slamming bush lights right now. I
did you know, I did appreciate John Schneider, who is
a very very loyal Georgetown Brewing customer shunning the bush lights.
So good for him staying brand label there and brand loyalty. Okay,
that's it for us.

Speaker 5 (01:15:00):
Yeah, we're done. We're gonna let Jackson. Jackson, do you
want to go home? Yeah? This is fun though, it
is fun, but yeah, let's all. Let's all go on.
I'll be honest, we have tomorrow. I think this is okay.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
I like, I'm Mike Schneider, I really like day two,
they have that many picks tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:15:14):
I think day two is gonna be fine. Yes, yeah,
I think day two is gonna be a tying of fun.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
And I kinda it certainly sounds like he's a little
trigger hat, like he's getting a little itchy to make
a couple moves.

Speaker 5 (01:15:22):
Now if we don't have the time, just blowing my
knees out. But but Jackson, you've been listening. You gotta
a second of way in. I'd love to hear Ian
and you come on, buddy, come on, how many time tomorrow?

Speaker 12 (01:15:34):
I'm on, I'm on with you and starting at one
o'clock tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:15:36):
Okay, well, we're getting the wraps all right, Jackson, Thank you,
Thank you, Jackson, thank you very much. Thanks to Rob Rank,
Thanks to Hume milling Uh. Tomorrow morning, six am, Chuck
and Buck will bring you coverage and we'll be back
here at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center tomorrow one pm.
In the afternoon, Rob will be with me starting at
one o'clock. Hugh will do this again tomorrow, you and
me and Rob at seven o'clock. That's it for us

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from the Virginia masona Athletics under nine three points three
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