12th Man 2025 Draft Coverage: Round 2, Hour 1 - Hawks Trade Up for Emmanwori

In the first hour of the second round of the 2025 NFL Draft, Dave Softy Mahler, Hugh Millen, Mike Holmgren, and Dick Fain react to the Seahawks trading up for South Carolina safety Nick Emmanwori, break down what he adds to Seattle's defense, then we listen and react to Emmanwori's first interview with the media.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the NFL Draft, coming to you live from
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
All right, we're back here at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center.
Round two of the NFL Draft is about to begin
with the Cleveland Browns on the clock at number thirty
three Hawks. As of right now for tonight, let me
just kind of give everybody up to speed. Guys, they
have the fiftieth pick of the second round. Fifty second
pick of the second round. That's the pick they got
from the Steelers for DK Metcalf, eighty second overall in

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the third round and ninety two overall in the third round.
We said this the other day. That pick is getting
tossed around like a dollar bill.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Man.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
It was originally a Lions pick, went to the Jets
and a pickswap, then the Jets sent to the Raiders
for Devonte Adams, and then the Raiders center to the
Seahawks for you know Smith that's now their property at
number ninety two. So here Mail and Dick Fane, Dave
Softie Maler, Mike Holmgrin's with us, and you're good to
hang out for a little bit, right.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
Yeah, I'm hanging out of it.

Speaker 5 (01:08):
I'm hanging out.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
I had a question for you and that I'm going
through this and putting on the names and the positions
and so on, and I need this a little more
to find it. When it said edge, you know you
have a player it says an edge. I always interpret
that to be like what we used to call an underfront,

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where the linebacker then is a pass rusher kind of
a because they always talk about getting edge run on
the weak side. Yeah, on the weak side.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
Yeah uh.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
And I'm talking to John about it the other day.
He said it's more like a sam which I it's
a difference. Maybe that means the same thing to him. Yeah,
What does it mean to find edge?

Speaker 6 (01:51):
The way it's it's commonly used in the draft parlance,
is either a defensive end in a four to three, yes,
or an outside line linebacker in a three four. And
as you describe the underfront in a forty kicks out
on the weak side to be like a thirty front, right,
so that that that linebacker then.

Speaker 5 (02:14):
He coming yeah, okay, well or does that answer your question?

Speaker 4 (02:17):
But well I needed I need a little definition before
I make sure critical statement.

Speaker 5 (02:22):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
And you know what, if there's anyone to ask, it's
that he'll never stir your wrong.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:28):
So, so an underfront, you've got the one technique to
the strong side, you got the three technique to the
week and then the end is out there.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
In a five or seven, that guy is an edge.

Speaker 6 (02:37):
Okay, and so and and if you're in a true
thirty front, then you've got a nose tackle. I'm here,
I'm talking to Mike hom Grin telling as if I
but I'm trying to do it for the office the
audience too. So a thirty front, you've got the nose tackle.
Then you've got either a four eye, which is the
inside shade of the tackles. Then the linebacker who are

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outside on the line of scrimmage, those are edged. So
when you when you're looking at draft guys, they can
either be a defensive end or they can be an
outside linebacker. But it means it means they're pass rushers
and their edge setters in the run game.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Let me let me get to something that just came
down a few minutes ago. Albert Breer, by the way,
is reporting on social media. There's a couple of teams
looking to move up here in the second round, and
one of them is the Seahawks.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
Okay, at number fifty.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
So let's talk about kind of what they potentially could
be looking for. Obviously there's some first down talent. Okay,
go ahead, give us the four names you think.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
Okay, moving all right?

Speaker 6 (03:37):
Will Johnson the corner right from Michigan, right, a little
bit slow, but a big guy, very instinctive, had some
injury issues, but very instinctive. And you know the Michigan
connection between Mike McDonald and h and Michigan having coach
there and Alight Harbaugh and you know, you know he

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coasted Baltimore with with John Harbaugh, Jim Harbaugh. Okay, so
then Mike Greene defensive end from Marshall seventeen sacks, that
could be an edge guy, possibly Nick m and worry yep,
the safety. You've got Mike McDonald having coached in Baltimore

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with Kyle Hamilton, one of the great players in this league.
Mike a six foot four safety, first round draft pick
out of Notre Dame that kind of almost runs the defense.
First team All Pro six foot four safety, taller than
Cam Chancellor, doesn't hit as hard, but more agile and

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can cover tight ends. Has the link to cover tight ends.
Em and Worry is a big guy, probably more in the.

Speaker 2 (04:49):
I'm gonna interrupt you for a second here, Jackson, Are
we good to go here? With the Browns pick at
number thirty three, We'll get that number, that that fourth
guy in a minute. The Brown's on the clock at
thirty three. Let's find out second what they're up to here?

Speaker 7 (05:01):
Let's go great, mat you ready Round two. Last night,
over two hundred thousand fans were here and millions more
watched from around the world. As we welcome another thirty
two great stars into the NFL, and tonight I'm joined
by thirty two players in legends who will select the

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next generation of stars to the NFL.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
Welcome them.

Speaker 7 (05:35):
These players represent the two thousand draft class on its
twenty fifth anniversary, one of the greatest classes in history.
That draft brought us the first and only time a
club had first four first round draft picks, twelve All pros,
twenty eight Pro bowlers, one Hall of Famer, and the

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quarterback who has become.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Known as the an eye on this. If they get
the Browns pick, we'll have it for you live. Obviously,
that's very very topical who the Browns take with the
first pick in the second round.

Speaker 5 (06:07):
So you gave us three names.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
If the Hawks do move up, Will Johnson, Mike Green,
Nick Emman Wari, how about number.

Speaker 6 (06:12):
How about Jayden Higgins, Iowa state wide receiver, A true
X and Mike, let's let's talk about the difference between X,
Z and and the slot guys. Particularly we lose DK
Metcalf an X receiver, and when we say X, this
is terminology that goes back to Vince Lombardi days. X

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is a split in wise the tight ends Z. This
has been for sixty seventy years at least, right, Mike,
So let's let's talk about your idea of the X
and Seattle's needs. So you've got Jackson Smith and Jigba,
who was number one in the NFL out of all
players that targeted one hundred and more times, of which
they were thirty five. Jackson Smith and jig was number

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one frequency the percent the slot I believe was eighty
two percent.

Speaker 5 (07:02):
Cooper Cup was sixth.

Speaker 6 (07:04):
You know, slower, you know, not as likely to win outside,
but great moxie on the inside. So really, the guy
that you would say okay is the X Marcus Valdez Scanling.
Probably he's gonna take the first rep in the first
mini camp. But he's a guy that, uh, you know,
was was cut by the Bills in the middle of
the season, was out on the street for a week,

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got signed for minimum contract for the Saints, So to
some extent, the market has kind of spoke about him.
I'm not sure you feel great about X with Marcus
Valdas Scanling. Maybe you have a different thought. But let's
just talk about the difference between wide receivers who are
slot receivers and wide receivers who are are.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
What we call number one what defense is called number
one receiver meaning Dick.

Speaker 6 (07:47):
The counting from the outside end doesn't mean they're number
one is in best it means in the formation they're
the widest guy. In most coverages, the corner is going
to be the guy covering them. So, Mike, your thoughts
about the differences.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
I think the.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Jackson Smith and Jigma and Cooper Cup are perfect slot receivers,
and Cup was a great slot receiver for the Rams.
I think the slot receiver has more to deal with.
Not only can he also he has a lot of
routes that he can do from there, but he has
more to deal with as far as reading coverages and

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seeing where the empty spots are and things like that.
The extraceiver, to your point view, is typically the one
they put outside and now he's got some, but he
doesn't have to. He has to concentrate on route running
and setting up the one man who's covering him, the corner,
the corner, and so in their football, in their football wisdom,

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I think there are two different type of guys there. Yes,
you know the flanker. Now the Z what i'd call
the flank car on the other side away from X.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
The Z the zill number one. He's still one.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
He but you can move.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
He can move, see because he's off the ball and
X typically doesn't move.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
So that guy can move. You can, you can play
with him, You can do all sorts of things with
him to get him the ball with DK metcalf. Now
you guys, correct me if I don't know this number,
but he you know when we say, get him the ball,
he's not seeing the ball enough. Well, if he's playing
X and the defense decides to shut X down, it's

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hard to get him the ball. It's not the smart
thing to do because you got other people doing it.
If you've got a flanker that can move, you can
play a lot of games with him and get him
in a good throw.

Speaker 6 (09:38):
What are the attributes that physical attributes? If you're scouting
that you like the differences in the slot? I like
these things either these are the things I need in
a prospect college prospect. If I want an X receiver,
I want these attributes. What are the what are the two, three,
four checkboxes you need to see on each to those

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and the differences I think.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
I think how smart the slot receiver is, how how
he reads coverages and how he gets open, and how
he adjusts to different.

Speaker 5 (10:09):
Coverages he sees. He sends wonderful.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
That's one okay too.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
It's just.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
He doesn't have to be a huge guy. He can
spot in the slot. He can be he's got quickness,
he can deal with that sort of thing. I think
in my own life, Bobby ingram I loved him and
and he was an excellent at that with a lot
of option routes. Now, what's an option route? You tell him, Okay,
we're gonna call a play. You go out there, find your.

Speaker 6 (10:40):
Spot in out or in out, or just sit down
in the middle of a coverage whatever.

Speaker 5 (10:44):
And you see.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
I think in DK's case, I think he would he
was somewhat limited in what they asked him to do,
and and and then. But the other side of it
is I thought he had tremendous talent. But it's not
just talent, it's how he's gonna how you learned to
set up defensive backs.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
Interrupt Mike on a second. Sorry.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
The Browns pick at thirty three is just about to
happen to open round number two. Here we go to
Green Bay.

Speaker 8 (11:16):
How about them brown is here we go? What the
thirty third pick in the twenty twenty five NFL Draft,
Your Cleveland Brown select Carson Swsinger, linebacker UCLA.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Okay, Carson Swesssinger. That's Joe Thomas by the way making
the pick. You know Joe very well.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
It looks like Stev Yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Uh, Carson Swssinger, linebacker UCLA. So I mean another quarterback
needed team that passed on a quarterback and took a
linebacker from UCLA and they'll be up again in three picks.
But the second round is open. Carson Swessinger is off
the board. So you guys were talking about wide receivers there.
I pulled the fan base today. I wanted to find
out what they thought the Hawk's biggest need was today.

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And I threw out another offensive lineman, pass catcher, wide receiver,
tight end, secondary guy or front seven. And they ranked
it at wide receiver, tight end first, pass catcher first,
another offensive lineman, second, front seven, and then the secondary last.
How would you coach, how would you see the needs
of this football team as of right now?

Speaker 4 (12:19):
I would see exactly what you just said. I don't
think they're going to do that.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
They rarely do what we want. Really they did, they didn't.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
I think they're going to go defense. That's my feeling
after whispering and tracking the film.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Okay, well let's let's let's narrow that down even more
though right we're talking defense.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
Were talking an edge rusher.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
I mean, you've got Leonard Williams and then you got
DeMarcus Lawrence and hopefully a healthy Chenna Nwosu. But DeMarcus Lawrence.
I mean, can you really count on him for much
at this age? And even if it's if it's a lot,
can you count on him past this year? You need
a future right at edge the future getting after the
quarterback Tarik Willans in the final year of his contract
because he was a late round pick, so it's only

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four years, not the fifth year option. He's got to
prove he deserves another contract from this football team. So
you got two of the premier guys at corner and
edge right in Mike Green and Will Johnson from Michigan.

Speaker 5 (13:12):
So let's narrow that down even more.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
If if it's defense, what's a bigger need the defensive front,
defensive end, or cornerback.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
I would put the Now you're gonna get mad at
me that, I would put the corner and the edge rusher, Okay,
and then then it's up to flip a coin. If
they're there, got it, because I think to your point, David,
you know you're right. They've been looking how we've heard
it for the last few years. Edge rusher, we got
to get some pressure on the quarterback and that changes

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the game.

Speaker 5 (13:42):
Sure that guy.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
If he's if he's if he's good and so, but
then if you see a corner up there, you don't
want to pass on a corner right now, Will Johnson,
it's my understanding he's had some injury issues, right yes, yes.

Speaker 6 (13:57):
That would be a potential concern, but uh, he's got
a big frame, pushing six to two. Very instinctive player,
tough player. So and right now, if you had to
line up and play tomorrow with what they have now,
Josh job would line up as your starting corner and

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you got reviewing.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
We're gonna go to Green Bay. Let's find out what
Houston does here at thirty four.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
For the Texans. Oh yeah, it.

Speaker 8 (14:27):
Always feels like home. Coming back to Wisconsin, Houston, it's
our time.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
Now.

Speaker 8 (14:32):
With the thirty fourth pick in the twenty twenty five
NFL Draft, the Houston Texans select Jaden Higgins wide receiver.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
Iowa Saint, here's your guy. How about that, Jaden Niggins,
see you later. Jayden Higgins is done. Can't have him,
got it?

Speaker 2 (14:47):
I need a new name, Hugh, you gave us four names,
and Higgins was the guy that was a former Texans
tight end. By the way, Owen Daniels making that selection.
So Jaden and Higgins off the board of Iowa State
goes to Houston at number thirty four.

Speaker 5 (14:59):
Back to the convers.

Speaker 6 (15:01):
Where were we We're talking, Well, at least three defensive careers, right,
Mike Green?

Speaker 5 (15:06):
Right?

Speaker 6 (15:07):
Interesting study, you know went to Marshall seventeen sacks and
led all of FBS in that regard.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Was any of Virginia transfer? Yeah, because of some indiscretions
he took off. He was accused of some pretty nasty stuff.
Trade and he was Okay, who was Mike Green? Was
Mike Green? We got trade. The Hawks are on the
clock right now at thirty five.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
And I think I think they're gonna take one of
those three guys you just mentioned. I think they're going defense,
just like coach said.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Three names or Will Johnson, Mike Green, you mentioned Nick
Ammon Warr.

Speaker 5 (15:35):
So let's go around the room. What do you want
to see happen right here? Will Johnson, I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
I think, uh, I think I don't want I like
Josh Job, I don't want him starting. And we don't
know what the future and we don't know what the
future of Tarik Woollen has passed this season, and we
don't actually really know whether we're ever going to get
the was it twenty twenty two Tarik Woollen back again?
So I like Will Johnson solid huie.

Speaker 6 (16:02):
Uh yeah, I'll go with him. I think just the
Michigan connection and the need at corner. But I could
I could see the other two. I mean, I could
make an argument for an edge rusher. This is as
talented as Mike Green. Uh, if they're willing to take
on the hit on whatever off field issues he had
had and uh, and then the safety if he thinks

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they thinks of call Kyle Hammond Hamilton type nick and
Nick Emmon worry.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
But uh yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, but of course it'll be none of those guys,
uh that the Seahawks will select with this next pick.
I mean, obviously a lot of those picks make total sense.
I just think if you, I'm kind of with Dick,
if you can get a first round grated cornerback in
the second round.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
I've seen Marx Dave with him like eleven twelve.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Well overall, Will Johns, Will Johnson, Mike, you probably don't
remember this, why would you? But you remember the Husky
Michigan game in the championship game two years ago. Yeah,
Michael Pennix threw that pick to start the second half.
This the guy that picked him off Oka and Will
Johnsons the end of our season. He did he always
has to come here and kick ass for the Seahawks.
But look, I mean, Mike Green did have some issues.

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As far as I know, he has never been convicted
of anything. There was some accusations that were thrown his way.
I think in high school and at Virginia. He leaves Virginia,
he goes to Marshall and then just explodes. I think
he had twenty four tackles for loss seventeen sacks with Marshall.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
A year ago.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Will Johnson was graded by some people as the premier
cornerback in this year's drafted a great job. Was the
MVP of the National Championship game against the Huskies a
couple of years ago. So there's a lot of options
right now on the board for the for the Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
We got the pick, all right, it's nick Emman worry
it was. It was on Hughes List. There you go,
nick Emmen, Wari tell me about election for the Seahawks.

Speaker 6 (17:45):
Well, really, big guy for a safety. I believe I'm
gonna pull up the exact he is six foot three
and one eighth ver very five two hundred and twenty
pounds ran a four to three eight and uh that
let's see what for for a safety, that's a ninety

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six percent of Mike, he has his ten yard shovel
was in ninety third percent. He his broad drunk jump
was one hundred percentile. So you're talking one hundred percent
of like that. We don't see that often did yet.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
By the way, forty three in number one of the
three inch vertical, so number one.

Speaker 5 (18:27):
So we're talking about a freak.

Speaker 6 (18:28):
Athlete in a big yeah, in a in a a
big aggressive package. Now the the uh the tape that
I saw, Mike, you see a you know, the big dude.
The size of speed shows up. He if there's one issue,
it's just a little a little stiff in his redirection, right,
I mean, it's just common sense. If you have a
six foot safety versus a six four safety, and and

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and a wide receiver runs a whip route snagging in
and out, who's gonna be the best in transition?

Speaker 5 (18:57):
Well, all things being.

Speaker 6 (18:59):
Equal, most most most of the time, the shorter guy's
gonna be a little bit quicker coming out.

Speaker 5 (19:03):
So I think that shows up a little bit.

Speaker 6 (19:05):
But I think that it's really important to h to
now that he's a Sea Hawk, really start to hone
in on his similarities with Kyle Hamilton. We talked about
Kyle Hamilton, the safety, first team All Pro for the
Baltimore Ravens, and and just kind of a uh, the
IQ part for him, I'm gonna I need to go
to school more on I'm gonna worry on on the

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IQ part of it. But uh uh, But Kyle Hamilton
again a very instinctive, tall safety that can play man
and man on third and five against a tight end,
and then on first and ten you can put in
the back end you can bring him down.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
Swiss Army knife type safety.

Speaker 6 (19:42):
So just kind of given that though, that's the profile
of this guy, what's going through your head in terms
of housel.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Well's he measurables. He's really attractive. How Kyle Hamilton? How
long has he been in Baltimore.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
That's a good question. Either three or four years?

Speaker 4 (19:56):
Okay, so Mike had him in Baltimore.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
Yes, he had him in Baltimore. Yeah, Yeah, it's just
a coincidence.

Speaker 6 (20:01):
No, I don't think that's why I'm talking about it.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Yeah, no, I mean, and I thought, well, first of all,
I thought they'd go defense first of all. And listen,
if this guy is he in the box player he
can do everything, that would be my question.

Speaker 5 (20:17):
Yeah, I think the answers he can play in the
back half, he can play. Yeah, I'll get up his stats.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
You want details on the trade, by the way, guys,
we have it. So the Seahawks going into tonight had
four picks. They now have one pick left because actually sorted,
they have two picks left. They just traded fifty two
that's the pick they got from the Steelers for DK
and eighty two to Tennessee for this pick here at
thirty five where they took nick em and Warie the
safety from South Carolina. They still have fifty and they

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still have ninety two, which is the pick they got
from the Raiders for Gino Smith.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
So go ahead.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
Yeah, it's just no. He seems he's the imperfect guy.
I was never totally excited about if I had other
positions about drafting a safety, that was thing that was
kind of a the I grew up in that kind
of environment. But if there was one there like this guy,

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this size and he prevents you know he answers all
the questions. You know, I understand why he did it. Plus,
plus Mike's a defensive guys.

Speaker 6 (21:17):
Well, you and I were always on the same page
with Jamal Adams for everything you just said about safeties,
like whoa the only guy who's worth two first rounds?

Speaker 9 (21:27):
Is?

Speaker 10 (21:28):
Is?

Speaker 6 (21:28):
You know a Ronnie Lott, an ed Reed type of guy.
You were with the forty nine ers during much of
Ronnie Lott's prime, So I understand that Ronnie Lott is
in football circles, is considered the gradest safety of all time.
So I acknowledge that there's some degree of absurdity absurdity
to that. But you just made a comment that seemed

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to devalue safeties. What about when you have a great
and elite safety. And I'm not putting Ham and Worry
in Ronnie Lott category, but let's talk about a potentially
elite safety.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
What's your thoughts? Hold that thought for one second.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Let's get this pick confirmed of Nick mm and Wari,
and let's let Richard Sherman do it from Green Bay.

Speaker 9 (22:10):
The next rival has been chosen. The Tennessee Titans have
traded the thirty fifth pig to the Seattle Seahawks with
the thirty fifth pig in the twenty twenty five NFL Draft,
the Seattle Seahawks select Nick M m Worrie dB, South Carolina.

Speaker 5 (22:32):
Okay, there you go.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
And again just to recap for those that did not
hear what happened, the Seahawks traded number fifty two in
the second round number eighty two in the third round
with Tennessee to move up to thirty five to get
the safety Nick emmen Wari from South Carolina. Mike quick
thought on what Hugh was asking, we'll get to a
break after this.

Speaker 4 (22:50):
Well, I think, first of all, Ronnie a lot started
as a corner, so he was a corner. So but
then they moved to safety.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Of the position is there. I'm just saying in the
money part of it, as I had to think about
on occasion too, you went corner first, then safety unless
you have unless you see the guy as no, this
guy changes things. Yeah he makes it better then you
all of a sudden, But but you have to you

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would have to kind of talk me into it.

Speaker 5 (23:22):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (23:23):
Uh. One thing that should be noted I think is
that because of the trade of DK, you pick up
another second rounder because of the trade to other raiders
with Gino, you pick up a third rounder.

Speaker 5 (23:35):
Undoubtedly that gave you.

Speaker 6 (23:36):
The pieces that you felt like, Okay, we got a
little extra pieces, all right, an extra some chips on
the poker table. Let's combine this and move up and
get get a guy that you think, obviously you think
he can be a real difference.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
Yeah, and they they they're talking about we're talking about
plugging people. Yeah, okay, Now is this guy.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
Kobe Bryant.

Speaker 6 (23:59):
Okay, so you've got Julian Love is the superior safety,
heady type guy. Now you pair him. You know, Kobe
Bryant is the guy who's gonna lose the reps based
on you know this guy, he's the starter from day one,
right right right?

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, you move up, you you give up some serious
draft capitals a step at any right away.

Speaker 5 (24:19):
All right, we'll come back and tell you where we're at.
Right now.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Seahawks just made a move to move up to number
thirty five, and they took Nick Emm and Waris Safety
from South Carolina to pair up with Greys Abel who
they took yesterday in round number one. We're gonna break
round number two is getting hot. Baby Quinn Shawn Judkins,
the running back from Ohio State, just went to the
Browns at thirty four, so they have now passed on

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a quarterback three times in this draft. The Browns out.
The Raiders are on the clock now at thirty seven.
The Seahawks next pick as of now is at number fifty. Overall,
we're gonna break a lot more to come from the
Virginia Mason Athletics Center right here on ninety three to
three KJRFM.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Welcome to the NFL Draft, Back to the Virginia Mason
Athletics Center and the twenty twenty five NFL Draft, and
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Sports Radio ninety three point three kjr FL.

Speaker 9 (25:17):
The next rival has been chosen. The Tennessee Titans have
traded the thirty fifth pick to the Seattle Seahawks. With
the thirty fifth pick in the twenty twenty five NFL Draft,
the Seattle Seahawks select Nick M.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
M Warre dB South Carolina.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
All right, we are back here at the Virginia Mason
Athletics Center. Softy Dick Hugh Mike Holmgren, Nick m and
Wari is now a Seahawks safety from South Carolina. They
caught usc but that might be confusing for people on
the West coast. So the Seahawks made a trade with Tennessee.
They gave up fifty two and eighty two for number
three thirty five. They moved up and they grabbed the

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safety from us. You see there you go from South Carolina.
They still have number fifty and they still have number
ninety two. In the third round, they picked the guy
from the Raiders for Gino Smith. Now, just real quick
to update everybody on what's happening with the second round.
The Browns, after the Seahawks selected m and Warri, took
the running back quin Shawn Judkins from Ohio State at

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thirty six, and then Pete Carroll at number thirty.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
Seven, made a trade with Miami.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
The Dolphins stepped in and took Jonah Sevaliana, the offensive
guard from Arizona. So now the Patriots are now on
the clock at number thirty eight. But back to m
and Warri. Yeah, back to the trade. Yeah, a couple
things here. So let's talk about the alignment from a
year ago. As a South Carolina gamecock. So Mike one
hundred and ninety three snaps as a third third level

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of the defense, either free safety or half safety or
what have you. All right, So as one hundred and
ninety three snaps the slot corn in the slot, one
hundred and forty six snap right over the slot the
APEX defender there, and then in the box four hundred
and fourteen. So if you combine the slot and the box,

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and by the way, there's another nineteen there listed as
d line, those in all likelihood are when he's up
on the edge ready to blitz. But so we got
five hundred and sixty snaps down near the line of scrimmage,
we got one hundred and ninety three, and at the
third level of the defense about three times as often
as a box.

Speaker 5 (27:29):
So this this is if you're thinking Cam Chancellor, big dude,
right have you?

Speaker 6 (27:35):
You know, he's much more likely to be that eighth
man in the box, the thumper, the enforcer near the
line of scrimmage by those by those percentages.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
Yeah, I mean it just a lot depends on the
type of the style of defense you want to play.
You know, if you want that type of guy, and
you know then you run this certain defense and then
if you gotta be careful because and then all of
a sudden, if you're changing something or offensively, you're taking

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advantage of what you think, You're taking advantage of someone
who's in the box who might not. You know, his
strength is being in the box.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
Right, you know?

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Then you know that's I go back to the thing
about the safety, you know thing, because he's if he
can do everything, that's what you want.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
I want to get your just quick thoughts on this, guys.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
I want everyone to just chime on this, because I'm
looking at the Larry Fitzgerald Steven Spielberg chart here, and
here's the problem. And John mentioned this the other day
that everybody uses a different chart, so I have no
idea which one they're looking at. Number fifty two overall,
according to these guys, is worth nine hundred and ninety
eight points. Eighty two is worth seven sixty seven. That's

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a total of seventeen sixty five. Thirty five is eleven
ninety eight. That's a gap of five sixty seven. That's
a fourth round draft pick. Okay, so if we're just
looking at the difference between what the Seahawks gave up
and what they got back in return. What they should
have done is they should have tossed in a seventh
round pick to get them to eleven ninety eight.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
That's what they got back. Did they did? They did?

Speaker 6 (29:12):
They overpay for this guy. So you're saying they exchange
second rounds, right?

Speaker 5 (29:18):
Yes? Correct?

Speaker 6 (29:19):
So they exchanged second rounds right, so for the right
to exchange second rounds. Right, you're saying that should have
been a seventh rounder only, yes, because number fifty two
was worth nine to ninety eight and thirty five is worth.

Speaker 5 (29:31):
Eleven ninety eight. That's a different to two hundred points, right,
and you're talking seventh rounder. Correct, that's a seventh round
draft pick. Does that make sense though?

Speaker 3 (29:39):
Just telling them in the second round chart, seventh round.

Speaker 5 (29:42):
This is the chart you told me to use, and
this is what it says. Yeah, unless they really love
the guy.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Well, that's the thing I mean to the point about overpaying.
And coach, I'm sure you've been in this situation before.
If you've got a guy circled in red four times,
we have to get this guy, you just do what
you gotta do.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
Right now, I agree, let's let's talk about this.

Speaker 6 (30:01):
Just go back, going back to the scheme, Mike, because
now this is going to be just supposition. We don't
know how they plan to use him. He may or
may not address it at the press conference. But if
we're taking those numbers where this guy has been three
of every four snaps he's down in the box, that

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that that means you're playing Cover three or Cover one
usually right, which is a single safety defense. Cover three
Dick and Dave is is a zone, okay, and then
Cover one is a man to man. But either case,
if you if you've got Im and Worry at the
box playing the camp chancellor role, you got one on

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one on the corners. You don't have two safeties help
in the corners, and so there's a primacy on having
good corner play if you want to play Im and
Warry in the box.

Speaker 5 (30:55):
I think Rieke Woollan.

Speaker 6 (30:56):
Has the He certainly has the the skill set to
be that guy does Josh job and.

Speaker 5 (31:04):
And does plane him and Worry the way you may
want to play him in the chancellor role.

Speaker 6 (31:09):
Does that necessitate, Hey, we got to fortify the corner
position a little more so we can play single safety defenses.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
That's what I think. I think this young man's probably
a great, great player, will be a good addition. But
if you if, and if to Dick's point, if you circle,
if all of a sudden you got a guy on
the board and you circle it and circle it and
circle it, and he's available, you think you can get
him with the trade, then the numbers of the trade

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take a secondary position.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
No, and I and by the way, I totally agree
with that, because I'm with Dick. I mean, obviously, if
you're the Titans here, you gotta have a reason to
move back, right, and the reason to move back is
getting more value than what we already had in our possession.
With the thirty fifth pick, they may have given up
a little bit more. It's why I kind of bristled
the whole Sam Howe third round thing. Look at the
you know, net seventh rounder. I mean, hey, look, you

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got this pick over here, and then what you got
back is worth all this. But if I got a
file A and then I got seventy eight cheeseburgers over here,
the seventy eight cheese burgers may not mean squad, but
that's sixty outs l A is pretty damn good. So
I don't mind this I don't mind this, especially if
there's a major needs.

Speaker 5 (32:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (32:17):
Look, it is what I think twenty years ago, when
when we were in this same chair and Coach Holmgren
was in the draft room, I would, you know, I'd
be really thinking. I'd be really conscious, like, hey, did
they get the right value? Did they get rid of there?
And then at some point, like an idiot, it finally
occurred to me, wait a minute, if Bobby Wagner would

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have been a first rounder instead of the second rounder,
would have that been a problem.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
Of course?

Speaker 6 (32:44):
Not If Cam Chancellor was a fourth rounder instead of
a fifth rounder, well, hey you spent you know, you
you reached for him. If Richard Sherman had been a
fourth rounder instead of a fifth rounder, which he was,
you know, you know, like all these we'd be saying,
oh man, you kind of reach for those if you
got the right player, who gives a dean where you god?

Speaker 4 (33:08):
Right? But and then the thing is we won't know,
We won't know right for three years, three or four years. Yeah, yeah,
and Lord William still here to do this with.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
By the way, so you know, just you know, M
warr is going to phone in with the media in
just a minute. Here and for those tuning in, the
Hawks made a deal. They moved fifty two and eighty
two to thirty five UH to move up with the
Titans and make a pick early second round to get
nick emm and Warry's safety from South Carolina.

Speaker 5 (33:36):
So as soon as he's on the phone, we'll carry
that for me.

Speaker 6 (33:38):
I just want to carry on the UH, the schematic
discussion because because here we say, all right, we've got
these objective numbers, six hundred snaps by m and worry
in the box, one hundred and ninety three in the
back end. Now we may get from Mike McDonald. Hey,
of those one hundred and ninety three. We love him
in the back end. I mean I saw him jumping

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over routes and be in a force and whatever you say. Hey,
even though he was a three to one guy South Carolina.
We love the reps and we think we can still
be versatile. We don't have to play it. You know,
this is not just gonna be a camp answer down
to the box guy. If we want to roll the covers,
put him on. UH want to play cover two, let
him play half a safety. If you want to play
quarter quarter a half, he can be a poach safety.

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Like like, there's a versatility that Mike McDonald I assume
wants because he has it in Hamilton, and and he
may he may be laughing at the idea where you
think that, you know, Shoe warns us into cover three.

Speaker 5 (34:33):
No, we're gonna play all our cover.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
No because and then the other thing to remember, that's
not his style defense, right, you know when Richard Sherman
and and Cam when that group was there, Yeah, they
played a lot of single high safety was their thing.
And they didn't wasn't complicated stuff, right, they were just
good at it, and they did make mistakes and things
like that. I think Mike's the other way that he

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likes to mess around.

Speaker 6 (34:56):
With him start with the two highs. Sometimes bring a
guy down, dig right right at the snap. But but
then sometimes just stay in it too high and and
and do the coverages that help the corners and and
what have you.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Well, time will tell whether he can be as productive
a players Cam Chanceller. But I'm looking at the combine numbers.
It is a slam dunka he is almost across the
board superior to Cam Chancer. Cam's got him by two
benches in the bench press, two reps and by ten pounds.
Other than that, I mean it's a four to three
to eight guy coach at six foot three, four to

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three eight with a forty three inch vert and eleven
and a half broad jump. Cam's broad jump was nine
and two thirds. His vert was thirty two. This is
almost a foot higher on the vert.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
A fifth rounder, that's right.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
And I think the combine numbers probably made him a
fifth fifth rounder for sure.

Speaker 6 (35:48):
And and you know, but Cam had a unique ability
to snap his hips like they don't do this at
the at the combine.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
But power Clean is is the one lift.

Speaker 6 (36:00):
Like there's bench, there's there's incline, there's deadlifts, there uh,
there're squats, but power clean is the one. You got
a barbell on the ground and you just gotta pull
that thing up and it's.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
Safety.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
South Carolina Seahawks made a trade with the Tennessee Titans,
and the newest member of the Seahawks secondary safety Nick
Ammon Warrey, meeting with the media now Live on ninety
three three kJ RFF.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
All right, thanks, congratulations, Yeah, I appreciate that. What was
your reaction to, you know, seeing the Seahawks trade up
and then come get you got it?

Speaker 6 (36:38):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (36:39):
Generally genuinely, I'm happy they came and got me. Felt
great when I went up there, put a visit, taught
to the coaches, and had a great vision, felt the
most connection with them. So if it was if it
was anybody to do it, I knew it was gonna
be Don.

Speaker 5 (36:50):
So what exciting about playing for Mike McDonald in that defense? Man?

Speaker 10 (36:55):
You know, Mike got a good track record, Uh in
the NFL. You know, came from the Ravens. Uh, had
Kyle under him to under his belt, did a lot
with him.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (37:03):
So then he went to Seahawks. So to him being
my head coach, man, it means a lot to me.
So it shows what he thinks about me and uh
what I can do in his system?

Speaker 5 (37:12):
Has he here?

Speaker 11 (37:13):
The Seahawks mentioned Kyle Hamilton to you and and scouting
you and and evaluating you.

Speaker 8 (37:19):
Yeah, what did they tell you?

Speaker 10 (37:22):
That said? Me and him are very similar?

Speaker 1 (37:24):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (37:24):
But you know I can still work on some things
to get up you know, to his even to his
all pro level as he is now. But you know
I'm bigger, faster, Uh you know, so stay like that, Nick.

Speaker 12 (37:35):
There aren't very many safeties that have your size. But
there was a certain one in the legion to boom
here Camp Chancellor that had quite a bit of success
in Seattle. Is he a player that you mentor you
build your game off of or is that somebody that
you looked up to?

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Man?

Speaker 10 (37:52):
Honestly, Karen Chancellor, Man, I mean the crazy connection. Uh My,
my college coach was also his college coach, coach Torrian Gray.
Coach great coached him and he coached me. So Coach
Greg should send me all the time that we have
a lot of similarities. Used to compare our game a lot.
And honestly, that Cam Champion is like one of my
favorite safeties ever. Uh So he just it means a

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lot going to Seattle, used to watch him all the
time on TV. You used to pull up his highlights
before games like it's crazy.

Speaker 13 (38:24):
So hey, Nick, you're cornerback in your background as well.
Can you talk about how that's affected your game? And
also you've got a lot of your picks coming zone drops.
Talk about your you know your zone instincts.

Speaker 10 (38:36):
Oh yeah, I got good zone instincts. Learning from Coach Gray,
I kind of over the years got better at reading
the quarterback and understanding the defenses, understanding the offenses. Uh,
but got a couple of picks and Man two. I
think I got two picks and man covers four picks
his zone. So over the years I got better his
own and just just learning in that aspect of my game.

Speaker 13 (38:58):
And what about your your history as a corner, how
does that affected your coverage?

Speaker 10 (39:02):
Oh? Yeah, so growing up, man, my first disition I
played was corner, you know, high school, middle school, I
was a cornerback and I was a receiver. So from there,
you know, I got a little bit bigger hit my girlsberds,
and I eventually had to move to safety, so.

Speaker 11 (39:14):
Uh you know, uh so yeah, Nick, it looks like
you played about three snaps near the line of scrimmage
in the box or near the box for every one
that you played in the back end.

Speaker 5 (39:28):
What's the favorite for you? Do you like to play
near the front of the line of scrimmage, near the
line of scrimmage or do you like to play in
the back end? And what do you think you're better at.

Speaker 10 (39:38):
I think I could do it all. Honestly, I don't
want to put myself in one box, but I think
I could do it all. I think, you know, I
play in the back end, played towards the box, it
lining up at nickel. I don't really want to print
on myself in you know, a lot of teams probably
got me penciling in as a box safety. So but
I am a little bit more dominant towards the box,
but I'm also also could be dominant in the post.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
Is there one that you like better than the other?

Speaker 11 (40:00):
When the defensive call comes in, do you say, hey,
I like being in the back end of ballhawk or
do you say I liked.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
Being up near the line skimmage. Is there one just
as your favorite?

Speaker 10 (40:10):
Not in particular, but if it's like a go to play,
like if I make the game winning blitz or game
when you pick, I'd rather have a game with the
intercessions that you know can answer your question. But I
think I dominated towards the box. I can work a
little bit better towards the box, a little bit more versatile,
like if you watch Kyle him to say he destroys
the box. So, but I really don't have any favorites

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in particular.

Speaker 13 (40:34):
But you know, hey, Nick, can you talk about your
thirty visit out to Seattle?

Speaker 6 (40:38):
What was that like here?

Speaker 5 (40:40):
Thirty Visit was cool. I went to Seattle.

Speaker 10 (40:44):
It was like a five hour flight. Nice flight, beautiful city,
beautiful they got there the city like right on the
lake or something like that. It was a beautiful scene.
Met the coaches. Coaches were great, met the GM, GM
was great. Everything was cool. So I had a lot
of great conversations and just felt good. So, you know,
they told me a lot of good things. I want
to hear, super excited. They're the only team to text

(41:06):
me before the draft, so I had a good feeling
about them.

Speaker 12 (41:08):
So Nick defenses build on multiplicity with defensive back. What
does it mean to you now to have the chance
to play with guys like Devin Witherspoon and Julian Love
and Kobe Bryant and it played normal positions at a
high level in the NFL.

Speaker 10 (41:23):
Uh some dogs, man, Honestly, if you didn't get the Spoon,
he's a dog, Julian Love, Kobe Bryant dog, so Threiku
wieland too. So it'd be you know, for so when
I get up there, we look just keep it short
and simple looking at recreate the leading the boom you know,
especial to do to fit in with the cam chancer
type of role, so you know or size.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
He would say, have you ever had a chympce to
meet Caim?

Speaker 10 (41:48):
I never had a chance to meet him, but he
shot me a DM yesterday during the draft, so it
was crazy.

Speaker 6 (41:54):
Uh.

Speaker 10 (41:54):
One of my football idols shot me a text, shot
me a follow, so it was great.

Speaker 12 (41:59):
Did you think about us to him about wearing his number?
He hasn't let another player to wear it since he retired.

Speaker 10 (42:06):
Yeah, I was. I was thinking about that. I think
his number is open or maybe possibility I could get it,
but that's his own legacy. Can trust is his own man.
It would be cool to like put his number on,
but you know, I kind of want to make my
own legacy in the NFL. I don't want to step
behind another man's legacy, and you know, build my own,
try to surpass them and be better so the next

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generation can wear my number. You know you feel the possibility.

Speaker 5 (42:29):
I'm Nick. What did Camp tell you when he messaged you?

Speaker 10 (42:33):
Uh? He just told me same thing with coach Gray
was telling me about how teams thought, you know, I
was a box safe through a linebacker. Uh, and you
know he proved them wrong, proved him different. So we've
seen some similarities in that. So he was like, man,
can't wait to watch me in the NFL. Can wait
to prove prove them wrong? You know that was about it.

Speaker 5 (42:49):
Where are you talking to?

Speaker 10 (42:52):
Uh, Columbia. It's on Lake Mary, nice beautiful lake lake house.
I got an airbnb for like a couple of nights.
How the Uh just just immediate family, some coaches, old
old teammates, big brothers, friends, So not too many people.

Speaker 13 (43:14):
But hey, Nick, talk about obviously a huge moment for you.
Talk about your journey to get to getting drafted and
what means to get drafted today.

Speaker 10 (43:24):
Yeah. Man, it's a huge journey for me getting drafted.
I came, came and came in describe it. I've been
waiting for this moment for a long time. Couldn't wait
to make my market in NFL. One of the bigger
challenge for myself. It means a lot, especially coming from
three star barely had only one Pop five offer. Uh
to getting drafted now early in the second round. Uh,

(43:45):
you know, high, higher expectations for myself as far as
like going in the first book. You know, God had
other plans and a different, different, different, different path for me.
So at the end of it, it doesn't matter. But
I'm making them all pay for that. For sure.

Speaker 13 (43:56):
That's a lot of all of you guys had a
chip on their shoulder because they got dra later than
they want to do. You feel like you're gonna be
into the league having something to prove.

Speaker 10 (44:04):
Oh yeah, for sure. I was already in in the
league with something, you know, on my mind. But uh,
you know, like like a goal, I had a busin
I had, you know, a little chip. But now it's
like everybody's on my list. Everybody's on my list right now, Hey,
everybody on my list.

Speaker 9 (44:21):
Let yeah, you know, uh.

Speaker 5 (44:24):
Good, Thanks Nick, Thank you, Nick. Don't hang up just yet.
I'm gonna transfer you over toward all right.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
There you go, guys, Nick emmin Wari uh visiting with
the media here at the vMac. We're gonna gonna break
it in just a quick second. Shane Beemer, by the way,
who was Nicki Mawari's head coach at South Carolina. Guys,
he's gonna join us coming up at about twenty minutes
here on the radio show, we'll talk to the head
coach of the South Carolina game Cocks. But just real quick,
I was just running some numbers from the combine because

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you brought those uptick. What a freaked this guy was
for three eight forty This is all among safeties. Number
two forty three inch vertical leap, number one at six
inch broad number one, twenty reps on the bench. Number
one one point four nine second ten yard split number one.

Speaker 5 (45:07):
That's who they just drafted. That's like wide receiver if
you're under one five, that's like wide receiver. Acceleration. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (45:14):
Dk Metcalf, by the way, has the fastest in history
any position, any player. Look it up, fasterned Tyreek hel
dk Metcalf one point four to five.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
Let's do this. We're gonna break.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Nick emman Wari is the newest member of the Seahawks
after a trade with the Titans. Put the Seahawks on
the clock at thirty five, and they took this safety
from usc The Seahawks still on the clock at number
fifty in the second round. And by the way, Tyler
Schuck just went to the Saints at number forty overall
out of Louisville.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
So you called it.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
He goes before Schudor Sanders in the draft. Buffalo at
forty one, and the Seahawks coming up at fifty. Shane Beemer,
the head coach at South Carolina who coached Nick Emm
and Wari. He'll join us in about twenty minutes. Live
right here, Softy, Hugh, Mike Halimgrin Dick Fagan on ninety
three to three KJR.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
Welcome to the NFL Draft.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
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Speaker 10 (46:20):
Got it, genuinely. I'm happy they came and got melt great.
When I went up to put a visit to coaches
that had a great visit, felt the most connected with them.
So if it was anybody to do it, I knew
it was gonna.

Speaker 5 (46:33):
Be doing so all right.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
That is the voice of the newest member of the Seahawks,
safety Nick Amm and Wari. And guys, here's the thing.
We are through pick number forty one of the second
round then puts the Jets on the clock. Now at
forty two, Seahawks are up at number fifty. I mean,
we are cooking with gas now boys in the second
round of the draft. If you're just tuning in today,
you might wonder why we heard from Nick Amm and Warri. Well,
the Seahawks aren't picking until fifty two or fifty right.

Speaker 6 (46:57):
Wrong.

Speaker 5 (46:58):
They made a trade.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
They sent pick number fIF fifty two and pick number
eighty two to the Titans for number thirty five, in
which they just drafted safety Nick Emm and Worri from
South Carolina. Nick made the point, guys thought there was
an interesting hughe and Dick and Mike by the way,
he Mail and Dick Fane, Mike Homgran back here with
us from the vMac for a draft coverage brought to
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(47:21):
Anne beer Hall here all night long.

Speaker 5 (47:23):
Tory and Gray is.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
The secondary coach at South Carolina. He was also Cam
Chancellor's coach at Virginia Tech, and he coached him as well.
We're working on it, Trus, We are working on it.
But what you make of what you heard?

Speaker 6 (47:37):
You had some great questions I thought up there, by
the way, well, I'm just straving it in my mind.
I'm trying to figure out Mike Dick. You know how
they plan to use him, and you know how he's
been used at South Carolina. Doesn't necessarily mean well, Mike McDonald,
I think is about as bright as anybody on the
planet when it comes to his kind of multi layered

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vision for how to play deep and so so I
in Mike. I trust both Mike Homegren and Mike McDonald,
but defensively, so I just say, hey, could he be
a nickel and you put.

Speaker 5 (48:12):
Then you put Witherspoon out a corner and play Witherspoon a.

Speaker 6 (48:16):
Little less nickel. Well, he's gonna do that. Put a
slot receiver in the nickel. Then he's gonna have to
cover the slot receiver unless you play zone. And then
now of a sudden, there's some coverages. Like there's a
lot of different layers to the process. Hey, do we
want to have a back end safety? He played about
one out of every four plays as a back end safety.

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Can he handle man a man against whom can he
handle big receiver? Can he handle a tight end? He's
got the size and the lenk. So these are the
kind of the stories that I'm I'm eager to get
answered yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Mean it's gonna That's one of the things I'm gonna
ask his coach, you know, about things like that, because physically,
I mean, he's a study. I mean, let's just say that.

Speaker 5 (48:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:57):
But you you know, when you break down the film,
he's played more snaps in underneath than he has in
the back yep.

Speaker 5 (49:04):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
And then when you in the NFL, when you start
moving people around and spreading formations, you don't you don't anymore.
You don't see a lot of one tight end two
backs too. Just you know, you see a lot of
different combinations. Where where do you put him? And not
only that, how does it affect the other guys Witherspoon
to your point, Yeah, and Joe, you know, I mean

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those are things you got to figure out.

Speaker 6 (49:27):
Like with that, Mike can do that though with that,
with it the obvious point that that we still have
to find out. But just your hunchs initially right now,
you've got a vision of how they're going to play him.
If you had to guess, what do you think is
going to be his primary role? Like, how do you
envision him?

Speaker 4 (49:44):
I think it's a safety in the box in the
box in the in the box with with the capabilities
of moving him back.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
Is he a nickel safety so that you still have
two backs? Can you envision?

Speaker 6 (49:54):
Okay, Julian Loves on one side, Kobe Bryants on another.
He's a third safety, so we're big nickel and he's
playing essentially a sam linebacker. No, or are you considering
it more like he's down as a strong safety in
a single safety structure.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
I think in a single safety structure in that way,
he might even be depending on his range. He's got
great speed. You know, they might want to play him
in the back and to use those other guys underneath
in covering.

Speaker 6 (50:22):
Man, maybe like an Earl Thomas, then a big, a
big center fielder that can thump you.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Well, guys, we talk all the time about what's the
fit for the team, but I'm excited for the fit
for this player, right, I mean, he could not have
come to a better situation. He is coming to Mike
McDonald on a defense, Hugh. That correct me if I'm wrong.
When I asked you last year, how close is this
defense to championship caliber? You were like, it is other
than the lineback position. And that's before they made the

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deals to make the linebacker position. I mean, coach, this
is a perfect opportunity for this team to get the
most out of this guy.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
Absolutely, and that's one of the reasons that I thought
that they'd go defense, you know, because you know, if
you line up a defense that's a shutdown defense. You know,
years past, we'll see in years past Baltimore, the Chicago
Bears of eighty five, the Seahawks when they came and
Richard Truman, those guys. Offensively, it takes some of the

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heat off, It's takes some of the pressure off. And
if you're also good, maybe not spectacular on offense because
of your defense, you're gonna win a lot of games.
And I think in their thinking while they're building it up,
that's not to say they're not building up the offense,
but that's let's get we need just one or two
things over there. Let's get that fixed perfectly, and then

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we can win.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
Well, Hugh, they got a first round talent on offense
and a first round talent on defense.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
Win the second round.

Speaker 8 (51:51):
I think so.

Speaker 6 (51:51):
And I think there's another part of this that I mean,
as guys, we all know you look at the Sports
Center top ten, it's the thunders or the block shots
at golf. What do you want to see? You want
to hit the guy? You want to see the three
hundred and sixty yard bomb. There's a certain appeal that
sports have, and Cam Chancellor touched all of us. Like,

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if you didn't like how Cam Chancer plays, just like
you don't like fooll you pee sitting down and you
don't like football.

Speaker 5 (52:19):
Wow, right, So so Cam Chancellor you have to pee
sitting down and not like both of those.

Speaker 6 (52:26):
Okay, you can be sitting down and like football. But
I'm saying, if you don't like Cam Chanceller, it's neither
ye or it's both.

Speaker 5 (52:33):
Whatever. So I as Steve Hutchins's come, he's got a
grin on there. How do you like that last pick?
The safety? He says, good one. Yeah, so that's what
you're gonna get you.

Speaker 10 (52:47):
But but.

Speaker 6 (52:50):
Mike, what I'm getting at is is the tone, that
the kind of the attitude, that kind of enforcer, that
intimidation factor that cams answer. Provided you've coached against defenses,
some of them have that kind of you know, one
guy who's a catalyst to you know, like WHOA. There's

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a physicality that he brings that's infectious. I think I
still think that, for my money, the nineteen eighty five
Bears are the most intimidate defense I've ever seen in
my life.

Speaker 5 (53:20):
You know, So what about the intimidation factor that Mike
McDonald might be having.

Speaker 6 (53:25):
That like a real bonafide head lunatic headhunter that can
just thump you the way Chancer could.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Yeah, I mean it's the thing the danger here. I
think absolutely you're right. And if you're an offense preparing
offenses for a defense, any defense, and they have one
or two or maybe more of those guys, it's a challenge. Yeah, Okay,
but I would say this, I would just put on
the brakes just a little bit. This guy is a

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good player. Cam Chancellor was super and he was way
up here. We've seen it at other position to the
guy comes in and plays well. But gee, he's not
Cam Chancer. You know, he's not this. Yeah, you know,
I think let's give him a chance. I think he
could be right. I'll be very very curious on how

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they use him though, right, because he yeah, he's a
unique athlete size wise for that position.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
So we are through pick number forty three. The Hawks
are seven picks away.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
We are scheduled in about eight minutes from now to
visit with Shane Beemer, who's the head coach at South Carolina,
So we may have to do some producing here on
the fly. Jessamin McIntyre is kicking ass and taking names
here at the vMac with us, But we'll try to
figure that out, jess because that might be problematic if
we have the head coach on the air well. The
Seahawks are making a selection, but we'll play this all

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by year. We're flying by the seat of our pants.
The Cowboys are on the clock right now at forty four.
Since the Seahawks selected Nick emm and Warri the safety
out of South Carolina, a lot of players have gone
off the board. Tyler Schuck went to the Saints at
forty Mason t who's Jason Taylor's son, went to the Giants, Yeah,
that's right, at number forty two, and then Alfred Collins,

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Texas defensive tackle, just went to the Niners at number
forty three. So we are all of a sudden six
picks away from the Seahawks being on the clock again
at number fifty.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
I think we're gonna work out time wise perfectly. I
think we're gonna have Beamer on and as soon as
Beamer's done, we're gonna make that. We're gonna make that
next pick. I think it's gonna be perfect.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
Why don't we do this? It's gonna break now, Jackson,
all right, we'll come back.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Shane Beemer a son of legendary coach Frank Beamer right
who was at Virginia Tech.

Speaker 5 (55:31):
I believe his dad. Did his dad not coach Cam
Chancellor at Virginia Tech. I believe he did. Shane was
already was at South Carolina. I know when Cam was
a hokey.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
But the current secondary coach at South Carolina, Tory and
Gray was there and did.

Speaker 5 (55:46):
Coach Am and Warri and he coach Cam Chancer.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
So we'll have a guy on the air who coached
both those dogs coming up next right here on ninety
three three KJRFM