12th Man Post Game: Seahawks lose on SNF to Packers.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
By Snap, He's got it, precious come and gets rid
of it to the back of the end zone. Time
it is intercepted by Valenzi and he is keeping this going.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Valen Zine cropped.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
Out of the fourteen yard line by Smith and Jigba.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
That whole play looked a little bit off. Snap, guys
getting out of their stance and it turns into yet
another red zone interception.

Speaker 5 (00:54):
Yeah, the whole game, Mike Terraco seemed to be a
little bit off for the Seattle Seahawks are thanks to
Mike Derico on NBC there for that play by play.
It is the twelfth Man Post Game Show live from
Jimmy's on Furs. Dick Fane to be joined by Hubreed, Love,
Millan Anders hurst working hard to take your calls back
in the studio at ninety three point three KJRFM, and

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go ahead and do so. If you would like to
commiserate with me, if you would like to share in my.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
Frustration.

Speaker 5 (01:25):
It's not anger Anders like it was after the Giants game.
It's just it's almost like I've seen this movie so
many times before this year.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
I mean with this football team.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
They are the range of outcomes for this team, how
bad they can look I E. This game, I E.
The Jets game, I E. I mean not just losses, right,
I E. The Miami game, where it's just they just
look horrible and still can win some of those games.
That's why they're eight and six. The Giants game, and

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then how they look against Arizona last week, how they
looked at Atlanta. It's just like, it's crazy, the range
of outcomes that this football team can put out there.
But for the most part at this stadium, it has
been lackluster, to say the at least they are now
sixteen and seventeen since fans came back after COVID in

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twenty twenty one, at this stadium, I can't even if
you would have told me back then, they're gonna be
sixteen and seventeen over the next thirty three games. I
would have said, well, something horrendous happen, and they're probably
a five and twelve team each and every year because
five and twelve teams still almost go five hundred at home.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
They just never win on the road. But that's not
the case.

Speaker 5 (02:49):
This team's actually better away from home than it is here.
It is so frustrating when they put their uniforms on
whatever color blue, white, or flubber like tonight. And maybe
this is the end of the flubbery God because that
awful game that they played against Chicago back in the
Seneca Wallace era when they had the Lime Green, that

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was the last game of the Lime Green because they
played so badly and they lost to a terrible Bears team.
They never got them out again. So maybe they will
never get these out again.

Speaker 6 (03:23):
Brings huh, there go, there you go.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
But hey, we know that the uniforms were what was
causing them to play poorly today. This was like I
grew up in the prime of the Tyson era Anders
and this to me was you would when you went
to watch a Tyson fight on TV.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Now, I was never fortunate enough.

Speaker 5 (03:46):
Or rich enough to actually go to a Tyson fight
in front enough, but I would always watch them, right,
And you knew when you watched the Tyson fight you
had to watch like you couldn't come. You couldn't turn
the tea on thirty seconds late. Yeah, right, you had
to watch the whole build up and see the beginning

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because the fight might only last ninety seconds. I think
of the Spinks fight. It was like ninety seconds long,
and it was like left hook uppercut to the table
or to the matt rather. And that game, to me,
was ten plays, sixty three yards touchdown by Josh Jacobs

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left cross, and then.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
It was eight plays eighty yards in.

Speaker 5 (04:37):
Four forty nine Romeo Dubbs thirteen yard pass from Jordan
Love uppercut, and we hit the canvas and we.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Never got up.

Speaker 5 (04:47):
It was a one two Tyson punch in the first
quarter by a tougher, more physical, better, more ready to
play football team than this one. Is that Green Bay
Packer team showed me tonight. I was kind of like
I knew they were better than us. I mean, I

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said all week, We're gonna lose this game. Never in
the never in my wildest dreams that I think we'd
lose the game this badly, but I thought we'd lose
all week. But what I what I wanted to see
was Okay, what's the gap? What's the gap? And go
ahead and give us a call two eight six nine
two nine zero nine five. There I want to hear
from you on the phone lines. I wanted to know

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a couple of things. I wanted to know. What was
the gap between the Hawks and the Packers? Was this
a was this a matchup that you could kind of
tilt your head and say, hey, if these two teams
played in the playoffs, we could have a reasonable chance
of winning regardless of where the game was.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Or was there a more significant gap than that?

Speaker 5 (05:49):
Well, not only was there a more significant gap than that,
I mean they look like they belonged. I mean one
looked like a big ten team. The other looked like
a whack team tonight. Now that doesn't mean that that's
gonna be the way it is always when these two
teams play, But for tonight, that's how it was. It
was a big ten team that just came into a
whack stadium and Brock brought half of their fans with them.

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And just walked over a smaller, less physical front. And
I also wanted to find out and we talked Abu
a lot about this yester or Friday when I was
hosting the show with Hugh. I want to know how

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good is this Hawks team really? And what I said
on Friday was, they've won four games in a row.
I get it, but let's kind of examine those four
games for a second. They barely beat a San Francisco
team that was coming a part of the seams and
now is totally a part of the seams. They won
twenty to seventeen. Their offense was horrible in that game.

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They beat Arizona sixteen to six. Their offense was horrible
in that game, and those teams were those games were
won with defense and defense only.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
They then looked about as.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
Bad as a Seahawk team has looked in a victory
as I can remember in a long time.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
In that Jets game, I.

Speaker 5 (07:19):
Mean that Jets game was just like, can we just
get this over with please, and somehow find a way
to win, And they somehow found a way to win.
And then last week they put a complete game together
against an Arizona team on the road. But hey, it's
a place that we always dominate. We're ten to one
to one there in the last twelve games, and against

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an Arizona Zona team that clearly isn't as good a
football team as maybe we thought it was three or
four weeks again, so I mean those were their four
games in the win streak. I mean this is not
just this is not just punching up one weight class
playing Green Bay. This was punching up three or four
weight classes playing green Bay compared to what we have

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played over the last four weeks. And then you go
back and you look at who the Seahawks have beaten
the rest of the year. Yeah, we got done with
that Atlanta game on October twenty. We're like, wow, how
about this big road win. We beat a playoff caliber
team by three touchdowns?

Speaker 4 (08:17):
Well did we? Atlanta?

Speaker 5 (08:19):
They have they won like one game, so I think
they've won one game since that game. That's a bad
football team that you beat. Then you go back to September.
They looked gross against Miami, but one because it was
Skyler Thompson. They looked gross against New England and won
on a blocked field goal at the end of the

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game by three points, and they won their most impressive
win of the year, was actually the first win of
the season. But they beat bo Nicks and Denver, a
legitimate playoff team, but they did it at a time
when they didn't know they were a.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Legitimate playoff team.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
They did it with a quarterback making his first ever
start in the NFL. Yeah, you beat Denver, Now that's
a good win. So really, Anders, I mean, I don't
see anything better than a C plus win on their
resume thus far this season? Am I being too Am

(09:18):
I being too tough on them?

Speaker 7 (09:19):
No? But you can only win the games in front
of you, as right, Yeah, but you're right. I think
this game that we just played was a like, let's see,
let's have a parameter. And I think you mentioned it's
not anger, it's it's like the parent.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
I'm not angry.

Speaker 7 (09:32):
I'm just disappointed and it's almost dejectedness because it's like
this is what.

Speaker 6 (09:36):
We are right now? Really, so, yeah, I mean, and
just I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (09:41):
I want to know what your thoughts are on the
QB situation, on the play calling, the defense.

Speaker 6 (09:46):
I think look good in the second half, Well.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Yes it did.

Speaker 5 (09:49):
If we have the one bright spot of this game
is we I think we can arrest assured that we
have a head coach that can make defensive adjustments on
the fly during games, because this isn't the first time, right,
There's been other games that we got walked on in
the first quarter and we were like, what the hell
is going on here? And then he would make adjustments

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and the Seahawk defense. I mean, really, the game was
over before that last touchdown pass.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah, I mean it was game. The game was over
at twenty three to thirteen. So they went a very green.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
Bay went a very long period of time, scoring only
nine points. I mean we're talking about late first quarter
all the way to late fourth quarter scoring just nine points.
So the defense did a good job. As far as
the quarterback situation, Here's some numbers for you from our
our friend Evan Abrams. Seahawks drive yardage after Sam Howell

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came in. This is the total yardage of every drive
that Sam Howell led negative two, negative six, zero forty
five on the twenty four yard sharbon a touchdown though
five negative six, negative four and eleven.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
HeSE where the drives for Sam Howe.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
So, because honestly, I was thinking when Gino went out.
I was thinking, all right, well, this is an interesting
I was thinking as an interesting opportunity for the Seahawks
as a franchise because let's say Geno's out.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
For I don't know, I who knows, right weeks.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
Yeah, let's just say he's out for a couple weeks, right, Well,
it gives you an interesting opportunity to see what your
option is other than Geno Smith. It gives you an
opportunity to see what Sam Howell is and maybe your
defense is so good that you could still win a
game against Chicago, maybe potentially winning see I don't think
Minnesota is nearly as good as Green Bay. Potentially win

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a game game against Minnesota with just your defense playing
well and your offense fining a way to score seventeen
to twenty points something like that, And it gives you
a little more information going into the offseason when Gino's
agent knocks on the door and says, hey, I want
a new con I want a contract extension for my client,
just like they did last offseason saying I want a

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contract extension for my client.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
With the stock said now, let's we'll talk next year, guys. Yeah,
And so maybe you have that opportunity now.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
In the early returns, obviously, Sam Howell looked miserable. But
we'll talk to you about this in the next segment.
I mean, it's also as difficult a situation as you
can possibly have coming in ice cold, you know, yeah,
I mean he ain't even getting warm up tosses. It
was literally like, oh my god, here I am going

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into the going too the football game, no game plan
for him.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
That was a tough situation for Sam Howe.

Speaker 5 (12:39):
I would imagine he would look considerably better if he
had a whole week to practice and prepare for a team,
particularly since he is a veteran and he's been a
starter for an entire season for the Commanders. But it
is an interesting opportunity for the Seahawks. Do are they
a better team with Sam Howell on the field. No,
even if Sam Howel improves between now and next week,
if he gets the start, you're not a better ball team.

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But I'd love to see how close a football team
are you? What does a Gino team look like compared
to a Sam Hall team look like? Just to get
that information. I know some Seahawk fans are young, Well,
God is you're gonna sacrifice a playoff spot if you
do that, really, I mean, god, yeah, it would be
nice to be in the play Oh my god, I

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mean do you want I mean, yeah, we want to
go to the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
I get it, I get it. But you are what
you are.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
You're the twelveth thirteenth, fourteenth, fifteenth best team in the NFL,
and those teams and those those teams and the twelfth
to fifteenth team they can't even win at home. I mean,
at least, at least normally, the twelfth, thirteenth, fourteenth team,
if they happen to win their division and get a
home playoff game, you at least give them a puncher's
chance because those teams are usually like at least I

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don't know, six and three at home, right, yeah, instead
of what the Seahawks are going to be at the
end of the season.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
So I'm it's just frustrating you.

Speaker 5 (13:59):
You had some great words to describe it, and we're
gonna break it down with you. It is rough, rough, rough.
Let's go to the fall Lance. We still we got any.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
We got Robert and Isaguire he's still there hanging on.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
Let's go to Robert. Thanks for holding on. Robert what's
going on? Man, you're on twelve man post game show.

Speaker 6 (14:17):
Hey, Dick, you.

Speaker 8 (14:17):
Brought up a good point when you were saying about aggression.
You know what the new lineup and our new coach
and what I've been looking at. Are we making the aggression.

Speaker 9 (14:29):
Every game?

Speaker 8 (14:31):
And I'm not really seeing it. Let me give you
an example. Our lack of ability to score early in games,
to make a drive, kind of like what you just
saw Green Bay do us, right, you know, they just
march down the field on us and they they score
it on it. I haven't seen that for those four
games that we even won in the row. And then

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the adjustments, the constant adjustments that Mike McDonald is having
to do because he's not prepared for the start of
the or his teams not prepared, is getting old. So
as a fan, I'm fifty three years old, I remember
the good and the bad of the Seahawks. This is

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some of the worst I've seen, all right, and I'm
tired of it. You know, I don't want to hear
the excuse, oh, it's the first year or whatever. If
this continues, things have to change, and I'll say it,
fire Snyder, because look at our offensive line. You could
throw in Tom Brady in here and he would.

Speaker 9 (15:32):
Just be demolished.

Speaker 8 (15:33):
You could throw in Lamar Jackson and he would probably
walk off the field saying hell nor because we got
a JV offensive line. So things got to change. This
year is over. Thank you for taking my call.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
Hey, appreciate the call. Appreciate the call.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
I mean the adjustments I am seeing on the defensive.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
Side of the ball.

Speaker 5 (15:53):
We talked about those I and I do see this
defense clearly getting better as the over the course of
the season. Now, they got punched in the mouth twice
in the first quarter of this game.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
There's no question about it.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
They were just not They either got out schemed or
just out tuffed, or a combination of both. And we'll
ask we'll ask you about that in the in the
next segment. But the offensive side is different. And and
I have been softie and I've been going back and
forth about this all year. I have been more critical
of Ryan Grubb than he has. I don't think Ryan

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Grubbs should be fired. However, if we were gonna see
that Ryan Grubb was special, wouldn't we have seen glimmers
by now? Because I think we've seen glimmers that Mike
McDonald can be special on the defensive side. I agree,
but I haven't seen any glimmers. And I don't think

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we can just use the offensive line and say, well,
there's Ryan Grubb can't possibly do anything because the offensive line.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
I think that is a cop out, total cop out.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
I don't think the offensive line is bad as some
people want to make it.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
And I just don't see the special.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
Miss at the NFL level right now from Ryan Grubb
that I do on the other side of the football.
I'm not saying he should be fired. I'm not saying
he's not gonna be a good offensive coordinator. But I
got a lot more confidence going forward. I can sit
here on the radio right now and tell you I
am much more confident that Mike McDonald knows what he's

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doing on the defensive side of the ball in the
NFL than Ryan Grebb does on the offensive side of
the ball.

Speaker 4 (17:33):
Much more confident.

Speaker 6 (17:34):
I think a lot of it's the dudes, though, Like
I could be.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
But did we think the defense was awesome six weeks ago?
Do we think that we do? We look on that
defense and go, man, we got dudes everywhere?

Speaker 6 (17:42):
Well, he overhauled it.

Speaker 7 (17:43):
He switched both middle linebackers out because it wasn't working.
Uh shennon woes who came back Big Cats a new
guy since the bye week.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 7 (17:53):
I just it seems like an entire like a lot
of it has to do with the Jimmy's and the Joe's, right.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
So yeah, I'm willing to be That's why I'm willing
to be patient. I mean, I'm not.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
This isn't like a you know, a Shane Waldron situation
in Chicago where you're like, good luck with that guy.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
He's gonna be gone in a year, right, you know,
I mean you just just knew. I mean, he's not.
He's not like that. And but I don't know.

Speaker 5 (18:14):
It's just this offense is frustrating to watch every single week.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
And I can't believe it's all just the line. I
just can't.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
And it's obviously not because Gino Smith continues to do
Gino things in the red zone. He did it again
today in a very very pivotal point where you were
still in this football game eight forty four.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
Ninety three point three, k Drivan, we got to beat
else on the.

Speaker 6 (18:35):
Phone, sir, Yeah, James and Edmonds.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
James and Edmonds, what's going on?

Speaker 10 (18:38):
James, Hey, how are you guys doing?

Speaker 4 (18:43):
Oh we're all really yeah, we're all right. I thought
it wouldst be a good game.

Speaker 10 (18:48):
No, it was a terrible game. But I will say
I think, I mean, yeah, this team, this team is
just not this is a mediocre team. But here's here's
the other thing. I actually thinks, you know, maybe just
calm down some of the geno hates people or he
are saying because in my opinion, like g knows, I mean, yeah,

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he makes a mistake, like he definitely, you know, he's
far from perfect. We know that he misses sometimes, you know,
he doesn't see guys that are open. He obviously makes
big mistakes like the interception, but he moves the ball
and overall, he's you know, he's a pretty it's all
the QB. I mean, I think you saw, you know,
with this line, that's that's pretty impressive. I mean, look

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at look at what Howell looks like out there. So
I don't know, I haven't been listening to the first
part of the show, so I don't know if you
guys just covered that already. But I just think, you know,
I'm not some huge, you know, fan, but I think
he's pretty good. And I think as we continue to
kind of build the team, I'm not sure how much
better we're gonna get, uh, you know, out in the
wilderness right now. That doesn't mean that I'm not saying

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we shouldn't draft someone. Of course, I think we do
need to start trying to draft and developed. But I
mean I just think, yeah, I hope people appreciate that
Gino is a pretty good TV He's like average, slightly
above average, which is hard to find in this LEA.

Speaker 5 (20:08):
Yeah, I think you're I think you're very very I
think you're right about that. I appreciate the phone call.
We actually haven't talked about Gino yet on the on
the postgame show, so this is but it's good. I'm
glad you brought him up because yeah, we kind of
have a breakdown this week and and of of Gino
and and Softy and I went through like, okay, we
just went through the list of quarterbacks, like who would
you trade Gino for?

Speaker 4 (20:26):
And it was like boo boom, boom boom, and like
there's like twelve ish yeah, ish guys. So the caller
is exactly right. He's fine. He's fine, but he's fine.

Speaker 5 (20:39):
I'd rather have fine that doesn't make the crushing, crushing,
game altering plays like he does, you know. And I'd
rather have a little more conservative version of fine instead
of the super aggressive and I'm gonna throw into triple
coverage and you know in the end zone, which he
did against the Rams multiple times, did it again tonight.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
I mean, those plays are just awful.

Speaker 5 (21:02):
And the only thing, the only other thing about it
is yeah, I understand it's hard to find a quarterback,
but I'm not willing to overpay for Gino Smith. I'm
just not willing to do it. I am not willing
to overpay for Gino Smith. You want to give him
Danny Dimes money, you know, you want to pay him
like the thirteenth best quarterback in the NFL. Pop, fine,
pay him like the thirteenth best quarterback in the NFL.

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But if he's asking for top eight money, for get it.
Eight forty seven on ninety three point three kJ R FM,
You Breed Love Millone will join us next right here
for twelve Man post game Show.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
Jimmy's on first.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Now back to the twelfth Man Post Game Show.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
The Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
On your home for the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety
three point three kJ r F.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Must Red Jones just one tonight, gotta.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
Player, you gotta touchdown.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Sax Sarbona.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
The Luckie Jalen so Deell leading the way gets the.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Seahawks back in it.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
One of the only bright spots for Team Flubber tonight
at Lumenfield as the Seahawks get embarrassed by the Green
Bay Packers. I really don't think there's any other way
to put it. Maybe I'm being too harsh. We bring
Hubreed love Millan on right now to talk about this one. You,
I guess, big picture, we talked last week about how

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much was that really Seattle and how much was that Arizona?

Speaker 4 (22:33):
So I'm gonna ask you the same question on this one.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
How much of this was Seattle and how much of
this was Green Bay Tonight.

Speaker 11 (22:41):
Well, I think it's very demoralizing, discouraging, certainly for a
Seahawk fan and anybody associated with it to just realize
that this team came in and in every way was
just a far superior team. I mean, you have a
starting drive that culminates, you know, just run after run
after run and then and then you hit a slant

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for a touchdown and and their receiver drags your six
foot four corner six yards into the end zone. Uh
that just on on every level. They were taking it
to uh to Seattle and and and now you're left
with you've got your starting quarterback out Sam. How you
know we talked about the probability for the playoffs. I

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don't even know why we talk playoffs on a night
like this. I feel like breaking into a Jim Mora
or maybe Anders has the drop but play but uh,
you know, now you may have to try and beat
a Viking team just to uh give yourself a chance
so that the final game against the Rams is of importance.

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And I think it's most discouraging. The most discouraging game
that that I've studied thus far was the Buffalo game.
But that was after week eight, and and there was
the Ram game and then a buye and what have you.
You could still say, well that's the first half of
the season. Well now we're you know, where everybody's getting
really excited for Christmas. That tells us that it's these

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games are more important. And when you had a matchup
that on national TV, having to stay atop the division.
Now you're no longer atop the division. Just to realize
how inferior Seattle was, at least certainly for tonight. I mean,
I you know, these postgame shows are visceral. You know,
they're emotional, and I just have this this kick in

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the gut. And now my final thought, I'll just say this.
Brighton Goutencust the GM for the Packers. He started in
nineteen ninety eight, worked his way up. John Schneider started
with the Packers in nineteen ninety three, worked his way up.
Actually had two stints with the Packers and was with
the Packers prior to being hired by Seattle. I just

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sat there and watched that, and it's like got every level.
It's like their guy, gouten Coust was out doing our guy.
And they are the youngest team in the NFL, literally
ranked thirty second in terms of oldest, first in terms
of the youngest. They got their franchise quarterback, and they've

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just sent assembled a team that absolutely made the Seattle
Seahawks look like JV.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Tonight. It's discouraging.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
Dick certainly is.

Speaker 5 (25:22):
And I used the analogy and you remember these well
as a fan of fights back in the eighties, Hugh
I used the first two Packer drives analogous to like
Mike Tyson fights in the first round, where it was
like left hook uppercut.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
They're on the mat and they're done.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
And I just felt like the Hawks, like usually, I'm like,
I got belief that, hey, we can come back. But
just the way the physicality those first two drives. Take
us through what impressed you the most and what jumped
out at you about those first two drives and why
they were so effective.

Speaker 11 (25:57):
Well, here the Packers they start with two passes, little
screen type passes to try and get you slowed down
and get four yards, and then they get thirteen yards
and with the twenty seven with the fifteen yard penalty
by Rik Woolan, you know, all of a sudden, now
they're down, you know, you know, on your about twenty
five yard line. And then they just go run, run, run,

(26:18):
And the only third down they face was third and
three and usually and then until the last the last play,
third and goal from the one, they just you know,
they just rammed it in there. So it was just
all just physical. It makes Seattle go four and eight,
four and out rather you know, creating a sack and

(26:42):
you know, fourth and thirteen, you know, just making you
look like JV. And then they get the ball and
they they march down again and it's you know, the
we had first and ten. You had all first and
tens other than the at the very end. The only
second downs that that Seattle force was second ones. There

(27:03):
was two second ones until until the Packers got to
the thirteen yard line. It was just uh and that's
the one I misspoke. It was the second touchdown that
Romeo Dobbs drug Reek walling in to make it fourteen
to nothing. So I would just say everything was working
for them, and really the only you know, the biggest

(27:27):
play they had was a nineteen yarder and that was
where nice job of coaching by the Packers. They get
they set the formation to the field. Trip's right, Seattle's
gonna play a too high structure and they're gonna play
big nickel and Jenkins is down.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
You know.

Speaker 11 (27:48):
They induced what's called an overfront slide the defensive line
over to the field and then go back to the
weak side, into the boundary, into the weak side of
the formation and they and they they run right at Jenkins.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Who's playing in a linebacker spot.

Speaker 11 (28:00):
It's a too high structure, so there's no extra safety
and they rip you for nineteen yards. So there's just
you know, there's there's a way a nuance to how
you get the personnel.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
To work for you. So that was the biggest game that.

Speaker 11 (28:15):
They had in the first quarter, and and you know
it was it was scheming, you know, kind of paint
it all over that play, so you know, but other
than that, it was just kind of methodical, right, you know, yeah,
four yards, nine yards, two yards.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
You know.

Speaker 11 (28:31):
And then so at any rate, very poor start. They
just didn't I don't know if they didn't look ready
to play. Give Green Bay credit. They did have you know,
they played on Thursday, so they had the ten day rest.
That may have been a factor, but you can't make
it a factor. You're playing at home at this time
of the year. You can't come back and say, well,
you know, we were just you know, you know, we

(28:53):
wanted it less than them. Really, are you even going
to let that thought come into your head? But on
several occasions it seemed that way.

Speaker 5 (29:00):
And Hugh offensively at the beginning of that game, it's
just same old, same all.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
I mean, they never score touchdowns on opening drives.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
And I just I just went back and looks I've
gotten back to the last seven games. I mean the
last seven games. They've been held scoreless in the first
quarter in five of them, scoreless in five of seven
games in the first quarter. What is going on in
the first quarter of football games that the Seahawks find
themselves constantly having to come from behind.

Speaker 11 (29:29):
Oh well, what's going going on is poor execution. They
can't run the football. I think teams tend to be
more geared up. I think it's a general axiom that
you have an easier time both running and passing. The
pass rush kind of lightens up oftentimes. You see even
you know, go back to Russell Wilson days, there were
a lot of ugly first quarters. But you just keep

(29:52):
on on pounding. You know, if you don't have a
great offense, I think you look worse in the first
quarter for those reasons. I think the other team's fresh
and they're coming at you. But you know, the first
you know, the first possession in the first half Seattle,
as we said, they punted from fourth and thirteen, and
then at halftime. You know, a statement, by the way,

(30:12):
when in an era where everybody defers to the second half.
The Packers said we want the ball, which I think
it was a little bit of a statement, and they
drove a I don't know how many, how many plays
it was double digits anyway. But then at halftime, okay,
so that was the decision the Packers made. At halftime,

(30:33):
the chatter is always, hey, we get the ball, let's go.
You know, let's change this game. Let's change this game
because at that time the score is twenty to three.
But if you go down and score is twenty to
ten and you got momentum, but in that drive, you
end up in the third and twenty nine. Yeah, you know,
because because you know, some people in town have been

(30:54):
lauding Lalmeya the right guard, and I'm like, man, every
time everybody asked me about that, I'm like, I don't know, dude,
you know, I don't see the foot quickness, you know.
And at La Maya was just absolutely a black hole
on that right at right guard. I mean, he's allowing
sacks on from the inside gap, the a gap, when

(31:15):
you should be on at least if you're gonna give
up a sack. Ninety five percent of the time. It
should be the b gap around you to the outside.
There's at least a chance, you know, the penalties at
critical times. And and so again I found myself again
in a visceral state. All have a different analysis tomorrow after,
but uh, you know, more rational. But I just found

(31:37):
myself clenching my teeth at John Frickenschneider, like what the hell?
And I think that it was it was because it's
the Packers. Yeah, it's because it's the Packers. And and
and you learned from the from that franchise and their
guy Goudencus because remember Ted Thompson was the GM for
the Packers, you know, back you go back ten fifteen

(32:00):
years ago. And so they had to elevate somebody, and
they elevated Guten Coast and.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
And they've got I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 11 (32:08):
Right now, they look like the team that's ready to
do some real damage in December and January. You know,
doesn't necessarily necessarily make it so they're gonna have to
go on the road in playoffs.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
But man, they were on the road today and made
Seattle look JV.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
That's they did. They did.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
They may not have to go on the road I mean,
they potentially could still with their two two games back
would be tough, but you're you're right, they're probably gonna
have to go on the road as maybe one of
the best wildcard teams we've seen in a long long time. So, Hugh,
the only chance realistically that the Seahawks had to come
back in this game was in the final stages of

(32:44):
the second corps. They had a nice they finally had
a nice drive. They get down to the Green Bay
twelve yard line, they got second at well, they have
first and ten at the thirteen, they get a one
yard completion, they got second and nine at the twelve,
they got an incomplete pass which should have been picked off,
and then they had a third and nine pick or
a third and nine pass that did get picked up.

(33:06):
So take us through the second and nine should have
been pick and and.

Speaker 12 (33:11):
Where the yeah Jackson Smith and the fade, Yeah, just
he just misread that that that's that's a cover to
the corners in the cloud.

Speaker 11 (33:23):
You're gonna try and and uh throw the whole shot
of the fade route up there. You know, it says
if he didn't read that it was covered tot what
cover two means there's a safety on that half of
the field, and so the corner, the corner can play
aggressive underneath the route.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
He doesn't have any deep responsibilities.

Speaker 11 (33:43):
So so gino through that as if a certainly as
if it wasn't a cover too. If you're gonna do
a cover, get a chance of a cover two. You
gotta line drive that and take him to the back.
You know, throw it hard enough to beat the safety,
but you got to throw it over the top of
the corner. But then then the the interception. I don't know.

(34:04):
You're trying to get a corner route with Noah Fant
on a safety. I don't love that matchup. You know,
you're obviously gonna hope that size is going to be
a predominant element as opposed to speed, because you're not
going to beat him to the corner. What I wrote
down in my notes before I ever even heard anything
from Chris Collins where and I'm going to read it

(34:25):
word for words, spacing poor interception like cloud? What does
that mean? That's my me talking to me. What does
that mean? So you had you had Lockett, he was
running at about he was at the four yard line.
The line of scrimmage was the thirteen, so maybe the twelfth,

(34:46):
so he was he was at about seven eight yards
of depth. There's a spacing that you want in terms
of the depth between the corner corner.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Route by by the tight end fant and underneath.

Speaker 11 (35:01):
And I would rather see it more like four to
five yards so that there is enough of a gap
between the corner out and the top pile the back
pilon right in the person a Fant. Yeah, and and
uh and this this is not a goal line play now,
So I'm not going to say that that Lockett should
have been at the front pile. And no, that would

(35:21):
have the angles would have been terrible. But even at
the four there wasn't enough spacing there. So I don't
think that that's if we drew that up on a whiteboard,
I wouldn't like it. I think it it squeezes your
your from a standpoint of the quarterback in the vision,
it squeezes. And and when I say I wrote in
my notes interception like cloud, the cloud is a zone. Uh,

(35:45):
a ubiquitous zone terminology. Every coach who might be listening
is just not And yeah, of course the corner in
the corner in the flat, that's a zone terminology that
this was man to man. So why am I writing
that the interception is like cloud Because the corner who
was manned a man on Lockett at the four yard line,

(36:06):
he could turn and and play.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
It fall off of Lockett as if he was in
his own poster.

Speaker 11 (36:13):
So so I don't I just don't like this space.
And then the other part of that is that you've
got sharbon a who has a job to do on.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Blitz pick up and and and.

Speaker 11 (36:24):
He's on the right side of Gino and he's he's
going a little not coast to coast because that would
have been out to the perimeter. But the the the
linebacker was coming in, I believe the a gap to
the left might have been the b doesn't matter. But
Sharbon I's got to step up there with vigor. That
crap has got to matter to him. And he just
he got stoned and and and the the dB that

(36:47):
ran him over, uh forced Gino to give some ground.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
So you had less than an ideal pocket.

Speaker 11 (36:53):
And you know, if I'm if I'm a running back
coach and I'm grading sharbon Ay on that blitz pick up, well,
certainly if it's past fail, it's a fail.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
If it's abcd F.

Speaker 11 (37:04):
Well I've seen worse, so I won't give it an F,
but I'll give it a D as in David, not
B as in Baker. And so just in case I'm
not being clear.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
So a lot of things going wrong there.

Speaker 11 (37:17):
But you know, look, if Gino doesn't love it, he
has to be aware that.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
That man corner can.

Speaker 11 (37:24):
Fall off of Lockett and play again like a cloud,
like a zone posture, even.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Though it's man. He's got to be aware that can happen.

Speaker 11 (37:35):
And because there, if you get a field goal, you know,
at least you're up, or you know, it's seventeen to six.
Maybe you get the stop. Now they go down and
they get their field goal, so it's twenty to three
at half time. But maybe maybe the defense has a
little bit more vigor at seventeen to six.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Maybe there's a little more juice in the stadium.

Speaker 11 (37:54):
Maybe maybe there's a little bit you know, maybe a
sack that results because the crowd's into it. But you know,
you just can't, you just can't toss it away like that,
and particularly after the second down where you already got
hooled and you already you know, could have slash should
have had an interception.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
So anyways, that's my thoughts on that sequence.

Speaker 5 (38:13):
That's our savant NFL analyst Hugh Millen Dick Fane with
you from Jimmy's on first twelve Man postgame show following
a drubbing thirty to thirteen, and it's kind of good
that the Packers scored that last last touchdown because the
thirty to thirteen actually does a better job telling the
story of how big of a drub in this was
than twenty three to thirteen would have.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
We'll take a time out, we'll be back.

Speaker 5 (38:35):
I want to ask you when we come back, how
much can we take from what we saw from Sam
Howell today or was he just a lamb thrown to
the Lions in a bad situation that Next on ninety
three point three KJRFM.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Now back to the twelfth Man postgame show, the Seattle
Seahawks on your home for the twelfth Man Sports Radio
ninety three point three KJRFM.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Seupdate time. It's Cooke, Mike Cooper, gav During Cooper.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Inside of the thirty to twenty seven.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
Yard mom Ah, Yes, the shg today, we got the
Sam Howel experience in the second half of this one
after Gino went out. We'll hear from Mike McDonald the
next segment, but I'll just give you a update.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
There's nothing really.

Speaker 6 (39:28):
Definitive update, no update.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
Yeah, the update is no update, nothing definitive on Gino
Smith's knee. But you'll hear from Mike McDonald coming up
in the next segment. But here are the drives. I
shared this before he came on the postgame show. Here
are the yardage the yardage of drive for the Seattle
Seahawks once Sam Hewl came into the game negative two,
negative six, zero forty five. That was the Charmoney touchdown

(39:54):
drive five negative six, negative four and eleven.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
So well, Sam Hell.

Speaker 5 (40:01):
Has put in a really, really tough situation, no question,
And maybe you can talk about that. I'm sure you've
been in that situation before where you just literally have
forty five seconds from sitting on the pitch to going
into a football game and having to play in national television.
So was that was that largely because Sam Hell had

(40:21):
to come in cold?

Speaker 4 (40:22):
Or do we have issues with what we're going to
get in the backup quarterback if he has to play well?

Speaker 3 (40:27):
I think there can be two truths. Yes, it is difficult.

Speaker 11 (40:31):
I think, you know, that's just not an opinion that
I've gained from experience. But I think most you know,
backup quarter backs will say, you know, you know, yeah,
it's tough.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
You know, it's tougher when it's a little colder.

Speaker 11 (40:44):
I suppose you got to, you know, it's your obligated
to stay warm and be ready to play at any time.
But you know, look, I'm only gonna say the following
because I don't think it's fair to just say, okay, well,
we make a disc decision about Sam how based on
half of football and less than a half of football.

(41:07):
But when Seattle traded for Sam Howe and I did
the Commander's breakdown, what I came on and said on
the radio programs with you and Dick as well, is
that one thing among others I didn't like is the
high athleticism Racio.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
He's six foot tall.

Speaker 11 (41:26):
You know, the best case you could say for him
is maybe a poor man's Baker Mayfield. But at his height,
he's not gonna be able to see. And that was
all evidence all over the Commander tape. But he's just
not twitchy enough for his height that that's going to
be a problem.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
We saw that trying to get out of sack.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
I'll get to that. I'll get to that.

Speaker 11 (41:47):
Then in training camp, I watched the practice and I
came on with you in softy and he said, okay,
well we're gonna ask you about Sam how And and
I said, I said to you, we can pull out
the podcast. Somebody said Geno Smith is demonstrably a better
quarterback than Sam Howe, and I even said Sam Howe

(42:08):
is closer to third string PJ Walker than he is
to challenging Gino Smith for number one. He's more likely
to be challenged by PJ for number two. Then when
they played against I didn't even look it up. I
think it's San Diego and Cleveland that figures prominently in
my mind in preseason, right, I remember, I know San
Diego is the first game, but didn't they play Cleveland

(42:28):
in preseason?

Speaker 4 (42:29):
But they played La Tennessee and Cleveland.

Speaker 11 (42:33):
Yes, So I said, like, his pocket presence is really poor.
He has a big step up, and I just it
and I don't. I don't like a bad pocket presence
married with six foot tall. And then you know, I said,
I'd be surprised if he's ever considered a franchise, you know,
by the Seahawks of the franchise. Guy like, he's not

(42:55):
the quarterback of the future, I'd be surprised if he's
ever considered the quarterback of the future. And then lastly,
when when Gino was having his worst games this year,
you know, I think that came up, Hey, do you
want to see Sam Hall? And I said, not me,
not even in the slightest, because I think Geno Smith
is demonstrably better.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
That is what I've seen.

Speaker 11 (43:12):
That's my opinion, and I will follow where the evidence leads.
If I see Sam Hal, show us all, show me,
show you, show everybody they you know something in his
game that we have not seen, I'll change my mind.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
I'll change my analysis. But I saw tonight.

Speaker 11 (43:28):
I saw him slow in the pocket on those sacks
some of them were no chance and slash seed no chance.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
But I see him.

Speaker 11 (43:36):
Dirt the ball on an arrow out on the half
back and might have been batted by the the end,
but he didn't the end didn't response respond like like
like he thought he had. But you know, almost do
an interception where you know his vision was very very
constricted on a cover two what's called the curl Zone
could have thrown right on an OTV over the ball,

(43:58):
a little sit down route, very you know, basic high
school stuff.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (44:03):
And and he didn't see that, you know, very lucky
he didn't get an interception there, you know, checking down
tried to throw a deep shot up the sideline with
fant uh you know, way on the wrong page. The
only decent throw I bet that was like maybe eight
air yards on a on a throw over in the
middle to Jackson Smith and Jigba. But other than that,

(44:25):
it was it was very conservative, not not not any
pocket management that I know. I know I'm being harsh
because the guy hasn't played. I get it. But I'm
sitting there looking at you. Gotta beat the Vikings. We've
gone through the whole Friday you and I. I'm not
gonna go through them all again. All the tiebreakers, there's
like six. The sixth tiebreaker goes down to strength the victory.

(44:49):
It's beat If you beat the Rams in the last game,
but you lose to the Vikings and and still beat
the Bears, you're gonna lose the division on strength of victory.
So next week is essentially it's really it's it's the
it's a playoff game, a play in game to get
you to the division championship game in l A in

(45:12):
week eighteen. Got me And so if hol is playing,
this is what I see I got.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Do I sound excited to see Sam?

Speaker 4 (45:22):
How I mean honestly, because I'm honest, it sounds.

Speaker 11 (45:24):
Lastly, the interception that's just four verticals, that's four verticles
is a cover three beater, Okay, but it's cover two
and and so if you're gonna if you're gonna get
a what's called a vendor between the two safeties, you're
gonna have to be aware of the middle guy who
plays the the the hook zone and then the curl
hook zone. The next guy in. He it was like

(45:46):
he didn't see him. It was like he was where
he had and and look, I know it's a lot
easier to to play quarterback from a pig than it
is down noll and I'm six but five, But he
looked like he didn't see him.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Uh, he just he just like predetermined. He had all
the signs.

Speaker 11 (46:03):
I'm not in his head, but he showed all the
signs of guy the predetermined. I'm just gonna go back
and I'm gonna try and throw it to the tight
end on the scene and the curl defender just you know,
right in front of it, and he threw it right
to his navel, right to his belly button, and uh
so at an event. No, no, there's nothing, nothing from

(46:27):
Sam Howe that would get you remotely encouraged about the
idea of beating the Vikings as the playing game to
the championship.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
I'm sorry, I'm in a bad mood.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
No, I'm bad here you.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
I'm mean, I did a whole fifteen minute monologue that
I made you wait for.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Because I was in such a bad mode at the
beginning of this. I mean, my guy, I had to
get it all out.

Speaker 6 (46:47):
Now you're getting Now you're getting it out.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
So I mean, is there a way that the Seahawks
can just dummy down the offense and say, defense, you
got to win this game against Minnesota, you gotta win
this game against Chicago if Geno's out, you just got
to win these games seventeen sixteen. I mean, is there
a way that I mean, is Sam hell so bad
that we couldn't win that way? Or you just saying

(47:10):
we're cook Goose If he is the starting quarterback for
the next three weeks.

Speaker 11 (47:13):
Well, look, you could always win a game if your
defense is dominant. How dominant are we talking, you know,
like nineteen points dominant, like eleven points dominant. You know,
the better your defense is, the more you can win
a game with an uglier offense, right right, right, So
you know that's a yin in the and yang thing.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 11 (47:35):
I think Sam hell was you know, he's really conservative,
really conservative, really conservative, and then he just decided, well,
I'm not going to be conservative on this down, no
matter what.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
Gotcha.

Speaker 11 (47:45):
And and you know, the irony there was that that
was the play to be conservative. I know a second long,
but there is a checkdown and they had dropped off.
The five under was dropped off, and so Charbonney as
your little checkdown in four verticals.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
I mean.

Speaker 11 (48:00):
That that's one of the oldest plays in football, four verticals.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
And you know, by the time you.

Speaker 11 (48:05):
Get to be a professional, you should have you know,
thousands of reps from high school on on that play
and and kind of know, you know what you can
get away with and what you can and and it
was just like a freshman in high school decision making.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
So the bottom line from you if you're driving around
and you just turned it on and you were thinking, well,
you know, maybe there's you know, maybe it was Gino's
out for the next couple of weeks. We just have
slightly a worst chance of winning, or maybe about the
same chance of winning, because I want to see what
Sam Hawip been doing with the week forget about it.
We have a demonstrably worse chance to win over the
next three weeks.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
That's what he's shown.

Speaker 13 (48:41):
Yeah, and if Gino's I'm sorry to interrupt you, if
he has uh, you know, if he comes out and
has a great game, I'll be happy to eat my words.

Speaker 11 (48:52):
But I would just say, if you're asking me, as
a Seahawk fan and an analyst, have do I waiver
on whether or not is there a sentilla part of me,
infinitesimal part of me that has been clamoring or wanted
to see Sam Howell even in Gino's worst times. The
answer is no, I've never wanted to see Sam Howell

(49:15):
replace Geno Smith.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
Nine to twenty five, twelve man postgame Show.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
We'll come back, you'll hear from Mike McDonald and we'll
get our final thoughts before wrapping this up.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
After a just.

Speaker 5 (49:28):
A beatdown by the Green Bay Packers thirty to thirteen,
beating Seattle in every way possible, offense, defense, and special teams,
and just showing exactly how much of a gap is
there between the elite teams and the NFC, and where
the Seahawks are now at eight and six.

Speaker 4 (49:44):
Back with more on ninety three point three KJERFM.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Now back to the twelfth Man postgame show.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
The Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
On your home for the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety
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Speaker 2 (50:03):
In sign give Jacob does not get there, Leonard Williams,
Draymont Jones stuff him saddle.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Gets it back with five and fifty to go.

Speaker 5 (50:16):
All right, we've spent the last what eighty minutes just
hammering this football team, So Hugh, let's take at least
a couple of minutes here and talk about the defensive
adjustments that Mike McDonald was able to make after just
getting bludgeoned in those first two drives. We saw a defense,

(50:36):
a defense that at least was was more.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
Than capable for the next two to two and a
half quarter.

Speaker 11 (50:42):
Yeah, but we gotta bludge him a little bit more.
I mean, you have I was trying to be nice,
but no, no, no, no, no, we'll get to nice in
a second. There's a lot more naughty out there than
nice from what I saw, and and one of it.
Both teams had five penalties and the Packers they had

(51:02):
they had twenty seven yards of penalties and Seattle had
one hundred and eight. They exactly quadrupled them in yards
because of the past interference. I mean there was three
times Rik Wolling got beat on a go route and
his technique he was actually backpedaling. You want to be
in a half turn if you're beat or sprinting to

(51:24):
the ball at no time, I mean no time should
you ever see a high school, college, or or let
alone in a professional cornerback back pedaling because you could
like you're the slowest, so the ball goes right over
his head. And then you had two pass interferences on
very very poorly played balls down the field. It's an

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extremely punitive penalty, as we know. In college's passing apperance
is just fifteen yards, has been since I was playing.
And but in the in the NFL, if you can't
locate a ball and you get Austin in deep coverage,
guess what that does that that limits you.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
That takes about eighty five.

Speaker 11 (52:05):
Percent of your defensive playbook off the table, because eighty
five percent of your calls are more if you line
up the corner. Just I I when I train quarterbacks,
I say ask yourself one thing at the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
This this, this really distinguishes coverage.

Speaker 11 (52:22):
If my widest guy close to the sideline, my receiver
runs a go route, who's got him? Well, there's a
few coverages where it's the safety over the top, but
the vast majority of it's the corner. Even cover four,
cover three, cover one, cover zero, how many? How many
covers you want me to go through? And half of

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half of the field on cover six? Like, I know
this doesn't mean any you know, everything to everybody could
but but I'm just telling you that if Mike McDonald
looks at his corners and says we can't we can't
defend the deep ball, that you can't play defense.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
So at any event, that that was a problem all night.

Speaker 11 (53:04):
Reek Willing twice and Josh Joe another time, in a
very critical time to start off with the person ten
to start a drive, you know, when you're trying to
get momentum, but but yeah, they did make some adjustments.
I'll give you like seven seconds a nice they made
some adjustments. They started scraping more. You know, they got
some extra girt down in the box.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
I'll give you.

Speaker 11 (53:26):
I'll be able to give you a more lucidy answer
after I watched the tape, you know, because you know
that's just you know what you have to do.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
Absolutely, let's hear from Mike McDonald right now in his post.

Speaker 14 (53:39):
Game all right, man, it was a great atmosphere. Just
I just told a team it really stings that we
had a great opportunity at home in front of the
twelves and they it was a great our fans did
a great job. So we appreciate them.

Speaker 9 (53:53):
So but it stings.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
You know.

Speaker 14 (53:57):
I thought, just in general, you got to give cream
Bay a lot of credit. I thought they, uh, stay out,
stay out Kosis.

Speaker 9 (54:03):
We didn't. We didn't have a good enough plan in
all three phases.

Speaker 14 (54:06):
Uh. I'm responsible for that. And then frankly, we just
we didn't play good enough. Didn't do the things we've
been doing that one have won us games. We didn't
do those things. So we can we can rattle those
off if you want, But I just told the team, hey,
like good news is everything that uh that all of
our goals are still ahead of us, and we'll go

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back to work tomorrow. So we'll watch the tape and
attack the heck out of it like we've done the
rest of this season, and uh, move forward and and
get ready for good Vikings team coming in here and
and let's and let's go.

Speaker 9 (54:39):
So got a lot of football ahead of us.

Speaker 14 (54:41):
All of our goals are right there, so we got
to learn from it, which we will and and move on.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Like what do you know right now about Cheto's injury?

Speaker 14 (54:48):
Yeah, so it is a knee for GINO tell you this.
I mean, this guy, probably the toughest player I've ever
been around, was severe enough for him not to come
back in the game. Uh well, we'll do all the
tests tomorrow and kind of figure it out as we go.
But right now, just structurally it looks like it's okay.
But uh, you know, we got to get it imaged.
In all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Was he close at all to being able.

Speaker 9 (55:10):
To come back? He wanted to, and then he was
about to go back. I think one of.

Speaker 14 (55:14):
Those drives, I think it was the one we threw
the I think it was one before we threw the
pick and then he just just couldn't go.

Speaker 9 (55:20):
Do you expect to miss more time, Mike, I don't know.

Speaker 14 (55:22):
I mean, we've got to get the test done and
I know we'll do everything humanly possible to go play.

Speaker 9 (55:27):
But I just don't know right now how much.

Speaker 5 (55:30):
Of the way that the game on full at early
fall time to fourteen dohing impact the way that you
guys were able to.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Run the football, especially.

Speaker 9 (55:37):
Coming out of the last week to day.

Speaker 14 (55:38):
Yeah, well, you know, we didn't run it effective enough,
and I think we still felt like we've got to
stick with our plan to you know, to a large extent,
we knew this this team starts really fast.

Speaker 9 (55:49):
Defensively, we didn't hold up on our end of the
bargain about you.

Speaker 14 (55:52):
Know, quoting that start down on how these guys operate.
But you know, we'll look at the tape and see
where we fall short and move on.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Defense turns it up.

Speaker 5 (56:02):
Why it went.

Speaker 14 (56:04):
I just you know, all the above. I mean, it's
just a micro cosm for the rest of the game.
There's some plays that we normally make that we didn't,
and there's plays that they outplayed us and earned those
yards and I can call a better game too, and
I have a better plan.

Speaker 9 (56:18):
So all the above, what was better than the second
half of the defense?

Speaker 14 (56:22):
Ternal I mean, our guys are gonna fight, and I
mean we fought, even though we you know, we ended
up running it out and at the very end just
at you know, three scores at a certain time, just
it's not worth risking injury. But our guys fought, you know,
up and really up until the touchdown throw that you know,
a four minutes to eighty seven, which is a heck
of a throw and catch.

Speaker 9 (56:43):
You know, we had opportunities to get back in the game.

Speaker 14 (56:45):
I think we got down to ten points and had
a couple of possessions on offense to get it to
a one score game, and then we ended up turning
it over and we gave up the touchdown and then
that was that was it.

Speaker 9 (56:54):
But our guys fought their tails off.

Speaker 14 (56:56):
Coaches were fighting like heck on the sideline making adjustments.
Our guys are in two with you know, getting figuring
out how they're attacking.

Speaker 9 (57:02):
Us and track them up with some some solutions.

Speaker 14 (57:04):
So our guys, you know, there are guys are always
going to fight, you know, to the very end.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
You stay off the top of your rock. Coach, what
way start playing better?

Speaker 14 (57:12):
Yeah, I just you know, Look, I mean you want
to feel like you're ahead, ahead of the game, and
we were.

Speaker 9 (57:17):
We just didn't start fast enough. So we'll look at
why and.

Speaker 14 (57:21):
Figure out schematically on what we can do better. But
we're never going to come in here and be like, look,
the guy's screw.

Speaker 9 (57:25):
Me is you know.

Speaker 14 (57:29):
I got to put them in better positions. We got
to have a better plan on offense and special teams.
We know that it just wasn't good enough. So our
jobs to figure out why and and and fix it
so we can move forward.

Speaker 5 (57:42):
That's kind of scary when you play against Sean McVay
and you get out coach. You play against Matt Lafleur
and you get out coach. Now you I will say
that those two are probably, along with Andy Reid, are
those the top offensive minds in the entire NFL.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
I mean, Laflour's got to be up there, right.

Speaker 11 (58:03):
Yeah, he's one of the best for sure. I think
Kyle Shanahan still is. In that conversation. They've taken on
a lot of injuries. Uh, they're they're they're a little
bit older team seventh oldest UH in the league. But
I just think that's leadership of it. I think I
think Mike McDonald's is just one man's opinion. Is an
exceedingly likable guy. He has a brand of how he's

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gonna coach. He's going to coach true to his personality,
and I think that's just how he feels like, Hey,
this this is me taking accountability, being a leadership.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
That's just that. That's I don't think that's calculated. I
think that's just innate within him.

Speaker 11 (58:40):
That he the first thing he would say when you
you know, when you got you know, a bit stomped,
is like, hey, the first thing out of his mouth
wants to be we got out coached. That's my fault.
And I don't think he necessarily got out coached more
than any other time. When you see a decisive win,
every single coach for the last fifty years, as long

(59:02):
as you've been a football fan, you know, could and
perhaps should say the same thing. You know, so you know,
sometimes when they say, hey I got out coached, that's
not a revelation. Every other every other you know stomp
that you've seen, Yes, the coach coaches got out coached,

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and he's just you know, there are some that said
and some that don't, and he's one that says it.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
Well, the geno situation is going to be.

Speaker 5 (59:30):
I mean, that may be the difference on whether this
team makes the playoffs or not. They may not make
the playoffs regardless of who plays quarterback the next couple
of weeks. But final thoughts on this one and going
into I know you'll have a big breakdown of Sam
Darnold and Justin Jefferson, and you'll take a good look
at where we're about to see next week and what,
as you have mentioned accurately, is an absolute must have

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game for the Seattle Sea owns.

Speaker 11 (59:55):
Well, I'll just kind of center around my initial comment,
which you know, from a discouragence standpoint, the Buffalo game
was the worst because you're kind of getting at the
midpoint and and you just go, oh my gosh, a
playoff team just came in here and showed you how
how just incredibly superior they are. But then the next week,

(01:00:20):
how they played so much better against the Rams. Now
they lost that football game, but at least you could say, well,
you know, there's one hundred and five yard interception return.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Otherwise maybe you win that game.

Speaker 11 (01:00:31):
So I think that Seattle has shown that they can
come back after a stinker. And while you could have
we talked on Friday, you say, well, they have to
win one of the two games, green Bay or Minnesota. Well,
guess what, green Bay's off the table. So now there's there,
it's more dire, it's it's more there's more urgency, and

(01:00:52):
and it's possible that they could, you know, rise up,
but they're going to have to rise up because it
would be really it'd be really disappointing, uh, you know,
to to lose that game next week and then and
then not even have the division uh there for the
taking when you play the RAM game. So and you're
you're in you're essentially in playoff mode in my mind,

(01:01:12):
and let's see what they can do. Great tonight tonight stunk.
Tonight was Yeah, that was that. Yeah, that is salty,
very salty mood by uh. I think all Seahawk fans well.

Speaker 5 (01:01:23):
And as much as I love analytical Hugh from Monday
through Friday, I like emotional Hue on Sunday nights even better.

Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
I mean that's when.

Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
You I mean because because it reminds everybody that you're
not just a You're not just an analyst, like you're
a Seahawk fan. You want to see this team do well.
You want to see this city be happy. And we've
had so many great years in the past that we've
reveled over, and this right now is not.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
To that note.

Speaker 11 (01:01:49):
I went to the very first seaok game against the
Cardinals in the Kingdome, and I would this true story,
I would sneak out of Sunday School and I'd found
a way to get a second copy of the family Car,
and I would sneak in and I would listen to
Pete Gross doing play by play, uh, you know on
the seat games when I was supposed to be in
Sunday School.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
So I go way back with this team.

Speaker 11 (01:02:11):
As a as a native seattleite, and you know kind
of had some higher hopes than what we saw tonight.

Speaker 8 (01:02:17):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (01:02:18):
But then any of it, you know, son come up
on the football sun will come up tomorrow and and
maybe they'll find a way to be better. But but yeah, tonight, no, thanks.

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
Can't wait to hear you tomorrow at eight o'clock with
Chucking Bug. Is that right?

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Yes, thank you.

Speaker 11 (01:02:31):
I'll be on with from eight to ten, and Mike
Homegren will join us Chuck and and Bucky and Ashley
in the gang. And so between now and then I
will have studied close to four hours of coaches tape
the intercut, so I.

Speaker 6 (01:02:47):
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Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
One o'clock with the end. Yes, one o'clock with the end.

Speaker 11 (01:02:51):
And and I think lately Softie's been tabbing me too,
so I'll unfortunately for most I'll be in and out
of the lineup all all after morning and afternoon.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
Mall sounds good man, Thanks you appreciation it all right?

Speaker 5 (01:03:04):
That's you Millan after the Seahawks drubbing from the Green
Bay Packers thirty to thirteen.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
Thanks to you Anders, great stuff. Man boy. Let's hope
we don't have a repeat next week.

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