12th Man Post Game Show: Week 5 Loss vs NYG

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Your home for the twelfth Man probably presents the twelfth
Man postgame.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Show Fettle Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Resented by Sports Radio ninety three point three kjr FM.
Be sure to tune in for the Monday Morning quarterback
tomorrow morning starting at seven am with Chuck and Buck,
Hugh Miller and coach Mike Holmgren. At nine o'clock. The
twelfth Man postgame Show is on Sports Radio ninety three
point three kjr FM.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
This to tap the game at twenty three book Isaiah
Simmis had picked up by Bryce Ford.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Weeky had he it's gonna go looks say it sideline
of reps.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 5 (00:49):
Let's be perfectly honest, andrews Hurst, had that field goal
gone in for Jason Myers and the Seahawks find some way,
somehow to win an overtime, would not have really told
story of this afternoon. See all the right team, without
question won the football game today. We're coming to you
from a very forclemped. Jimmy's on first. This is about

(01:11):
is Uh, it's about as quiet and I've seen Jimmy's
on first.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
I'm looking around.

Speaker 6 (01:16):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
Fortunately we we don't have a lot of giants fans
in here, which is good, making a lot of noise.
It's mostly just a despondent Seahawks fans. I see a
lady over there. She's kind of got a beer in
one hand, she's got her hand, her head in her
other hand. She's kind of just staring over here, you know,
just staring off into the distance.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
I mean, that's kind of how what we feel. I mean,
in no way, shape or form should this have happened today.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
Good on the Giants. Congratulations the Giants. They out coached
the Seattle Seahawks. They out efforted the Seattle Seahawks in
every way you can possibly out coach an out.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Effort a football team.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
I mean that is, if I were to just to
put a synopsis on this game in in ten seconds,
and fortunately we have an hour to do it, but
if I only had ten seconds, I would just say
out coached, out efforted, out executed in every stage of
the game. It was as embarrassing a coaching performance by

(02:12):
the offensive coordinator I've seen in a long, long time.
And you know how much, you know how big of
a problem I had with Ryan Grubb last Monday night,
anders I talked about it all week long. About his
just fascination with the drop back and his allergy to
ken Walker, his maybe I mean, you were right.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
I put the headsets on. The first thing.

Speaker 5 (02:33):
First thing Andrews told me in the before we went on,
was did we forget ken Walker was on the team.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
I'm apparently. Let's just look at the stats. Now.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
We could throw out like the last ten or twelve passes,
because those are obviously coming in times that you had
to throw the ball.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
But even if you do, let's throw out twelve dropbacks. Okay,
let's just throw out twelve dropbacks.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
That takes you from forty four drop backs down to
thirty two dropbacks.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
And ken Walker had five runs thirty two to five.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
And it was about the same last week in the
first half when ken Walker had four carries and Gino
had twenty dropbacks in the first half.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
And you have come away with zero victories in those
two games.

Speaker 5 (03:22):
And let's not forget play calling also impacts your defense.
And the fact of the matter is there is so
much passing going on and so little attention to controlling
the line of scrimmage, controlling the play clock, giving your
what turned out to be once again shorthanded defense.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Arrest. Just zero attention paid to that.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
That that defense just continued to get fatigued, fatigued, fatigued.
They're out on the field the entire game, to the
point where a guy and I swear to guy and
I played fantasy football and I'm always on the waiver
wire looking for the next great thing, right Anders, I
had no idea. I had to look at who twenty
nine was for the New York Giants. I did not
know who Tyrone Tracy was going into this game. And

(04:12):
Tyrone Tracy had eighteen carries for one hundred and twenty
nine yards. The Giants ran the ball thirty four times
for one hundred and seventy five yards against.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
A beat up, fatigued Seahawk defense.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
Now, I'm not taking all the responsibility away from the
Seahawks defense. I mean they need to play They need
to play much much better in the first half, when
they actually are fresh, when they actually have your Chennanuosu
in the game, which they did in the first half,
when they actually have Tarik Wollen.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
In the game, which they did in the first half.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
So the first half was as much of a defensive
issue as it was an offensive issue. And then and
then the second half, it was just like, let's just
do more of the same offensively and just hang our defense.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Out to dry. And that's exactly what happened. I mean,
the defense gave.

Speaker 5 (05:00):
Up twenty two points, which would you should never give
up to the Giants. But when your defense gives up
twenty two points so basically three touchdowns, but you're out
on the field for forty minutes, I mean that's probably
on par with league average. Right, you're gonna give up
twenty two points every forty minutes you're out on the field.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
But here's the deal. You're not supposed to be out
on the field for forty minutes.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
Yeah, that usually equates to losses. We're gonna have huge jointings.
But I this is kind of one of those perfect
storm type games where I think we should open up
the phone call of phone lines for a couple of minutes.
If anybody else wants to rant a little bit about
this one, call me now. Two o six two eight

(05:45):
six nine five nine five. We won't have much of
a chance, So don't think you're gonna have a chance
to call me in fifteen minutes. It's either now or never.
Two oh six two eight six nine five nine five
one a UNDERD eight two nine zero nine five zero.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
You got about between now now in four forty five.
So give us a call right now.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
The numbers are just absolutely staggeringly bad when you look
at this box score, four hundred and twenty yards to
three thirty three.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
And let's keep in mind a lot of.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Those three hundred and thirty three yards that the Seahawks
got they got in the last six minutes in the
football game. I mean it was like four to twenty
to There was like four oh seven to like two
twenty with about seven minutes left to go in the game.
So the Seahawks did a lot offensive damage in the
last six minutes. Now, it almost led him back to
a tie ball game. And we'll get into that play

(06:38):
on the blockfield goal and whether we thought it was
a legal player or not, we'll certainly ask you about that.
But it was just utter domination thirty seven and a
half to twenty two and a half time and possession
in this game. Eight rushing first downs by the New
York Giants. They ran seventy one plays in this game.

(07:00):
They averaged almost six yards per play. This was a
Giants offense that you know, if you just if you
just ask any NFL fan throughout America, just say, give
me your list of the three worst offenses in football, go,
the Giants would be on ninety percent of everybody's list.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
And without their best players too, with.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
Out their starting running back and without you know, the
the second guy to Jayden Daniels and rookie of the year.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yep, fun, I mean.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
That's that's what the Giants were out to do. So
instead they cook you with Danny Dimes and Tyrone Tracy Junior,
that's who cooks. Oh and by and don't forget let's
don't forget Darius Slayton eight catches for one hundred and
twenty two and one touchdown. I mean, it's just it's
just the who's who of Pro bowlers over on that

(07:51):
Giant side.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
That just that just ripped you a new one today.

Speaker 7 (07:54):
Well, and Dick, this is another trend that I'm noticing
the last two weeks. It's been to get right game
against the Seahawks, because the Lions kind of offense was
struggling a little bit, not as firing on all cylinders
as we're used to seeing them, and they just had
a field day against the Seahawks and the Giants have
been awful all year, and they end up, you know,
show it, shutting up some of the doubters, and you
have to wonder how much of that is the the

(08:14):
opponent for the past two weeks. So it's it's not
a good sign.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
Well for a time there.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
I mean, when you're just get blown up, blown off
the line of scrimmage, I'm wondering if it's a scheme
thing or if it's a if it's a fatigue thing.
I mean, they played six nights ago on the road
without five defensive starters, six if you include Julian Love,
and then all of a sudden, you turn around here
and you play six days later, and you think you're

(08:42):
gonna have Nuosu.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
For the whole game. You don't. You only have him
for a half.

Speaker 5 (08:45):
You think you're gonna have boy A Mafi for the
entire game, You have him for none. You think you're
gonna have Tyreek and you don't have him for the
second half.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
And Trey Brown just gets cooked like.

Speaker 7 (08:56):
A Thanksgiving turkey God every time every time.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
So and so we'll talk to Hugh about that.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
Whether you know how much how much of it was
scheme and how much of it was just Jimmy's and
Joe's just pushing you around on the line of scrimmage,
where you just look like a really fatigued football team.
And I think that's why. I think that's why the
offense needed to help the defense out a little bit,
and the offense did exactly the opposite of helping out

(09:24):
your us.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Any defensive coordinator in the world, you'd say.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
Okay, what would you like to see your offense do
to give you, guys, your side of the.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Ball the best chance to win. Well, I'd like to
see him control the ball.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
I'd like to see them, especially if they have an
all pro caliber running back, use him. I'd like to
see play action be a part of the game plan,
but play action is only a part of the game
plan if you actually run the ball first to set
it up. I'd like to have all those things if
you're asking me as a defensive coordinator and instead Ryan

(09:58):
Grubb for the last two weeks, at least six quarters
of the or yeah, six quarters of the last two weeks,
he did run the ball in the second half of
the of Detroit game. He's decided, no, I'm gonna do
exactly opposite what helps my defense out the most. I
am just gonna drop back and drop back and drop
back some more because that's what I think can give

(10:18):
me the best opportunity at chunk plays. Well, maybe even
get yards that way like you did against the Lions.
You ain't getting points that way. He ain't scoring in
the red zone that way. And until he figures that out,
this is gonna be a continuing problem. Until he figures
out that number nine needs to touch the ball twenty
times a game, without question, they're gonna lose a lot

(10:43):
of games like this, and they're too good a football
team to lose a game like this. They are so
much more talented than the New York Giants. They weren't
more talented than Detroit, and I think that's why we
felt we felt much different coming out.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
Yeah, I mean you look at Detroit, you look at Seattle,
and you're like, okay, they're kind of on part talent wise,
but without all those guys on defense, you would give
the you would give the nod to Detroit. That's the
better football team playing at home. That's a game Detroit
should win. And you took them to the brink. So
you really don't have an issue with that. But this week,
even without those guys on.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Defense playing at home too, playing.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
At home, you're the better football team and you just
let them come in and push you around. Just an
absolute embarrassing performance. And you know me, Andrews, I'm even
after loss. You've been doing this postgame show with me.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Yeah, for a lot of years. Yeah, I'm usually glass
half full guy.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
I mean I'm usually like, hey, we lost, but this
looks good and that looks good, and don't worry about it.
Don't panic, you know. Blah blah blah. That's that's usually
my mo. This was a disaster, an Apps. I cannot
find any redeeming quality about this game. Your superstar wide
receiver that's gonna want a big, fat ass contract at

(12:05):
the end of the year, fumbles again.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
His weekly either fumble or fifteen yard penalty.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
You know, that's that happens. That'll happen Thursday night against
San Francisco. Somebody'll poke the ball away from him, or
somebody will talk smack to him and he'll shove him
and he'll get a fifteen yard penalty.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Just chalk it up. Wait till Thursday and we'll see it.

Speaker 5 (12:27):
JSN. I mean you said it Anders that's a drop. Yeah,
that is a drop at the end of the game
on the sidelines, just flat out Gino put it right
in his hands, Geno Smith, business decision. Business decision to
slide in the fourth quarter before you get to the sticks. Hey,

(12:50):
I'm all for quarterbacks slide. I mean, I think quarterbacks
should slide ninety five percent of the time. But in
the fourth quarter, when you need to sustain drive to
win a football game, you have to make.

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Sure that you get that first down. You have to
get that first down.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
And Gino Smith wants a fat ass contract like DK
does too at the end of the year.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
And those two guys cost you the football game. They
weren't the only ones. But how big a momentum swing
was that DK fumble?

Speaker 5 (13:23):
Like you had finally wrestled momentum away from the Giants
and you were zipping and zipping and zipping down the field.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Here we go, Here we go, We.

Speaker 5 (13:30):
Finally got the engine started and then fumble give it
right back to him, just hunbelieving. And let's let's not
forget this game should have been much worse. This game
should have been seventeen to nothing with two minutes left
to go in the first quarter or in the first half.
But instead it wasn't because you got lucky and you
got a ball popped.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
Out at the one inch line that you returned one
hundred yards.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
This game could have been an absolute two plus score too,
you know, double digit sixteen to seventeen point blowout. Like
the stats show. I mean, the stat show is seventeen
point blowout. The only thing he does is show is
seventeen blowout? Pump blowout? Is the is the final score?

Speaker 4 (14:10):
Four forty three? Have you got anybody who wants to
vent anders?

Speaker 7 (14:12):
Yeah, we got Jacob and West Seattle on the line
right now, Jacob, let's go brother.

Speaker 6 (14:17):
Hey Dick, Yeah, you were just spot on.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
I think it was just athetic.

Speaker 6 (14:22):
Performance all around for three hours of football, offense and defense.
I love Ryan Grebb as a you Dove fan, but
what the hell were some of those calls? He was
thinking running it to Canine only five times? I think
there's just flatto unacceptable. And like you said, DK, I
was seeking the same thing. We weren't playing good at all,
but that DK fumbled the whole game and he got

(14:42):
to stop thinking fumbles like that because it's costing us
a game, and he if he wants to be played
like a thirty five million dollars receiver, you better start
start acting like one. So it's a prothetic performance today.
They didn't even have a leak Neighbors or Devin Singletary.
It's embarrassing. I just yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Didak about called.

Speaker 6 (14:59):
But just an absolute crop show today.

Speaker 5 (15:00):
And yeah, good call man. No appreciate I appreciate it.
I mean, I think the last time I can remember
that being this angry in a postgame show was probably
back when one of those backup quarterbacks came in, like
a freaking John Woods Woolford.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
Or a Colt McCoy or you know one of those games. Yeah,
four or five years ago. It's been since I've been
this pissed off in a postgame show. I mean, this
was just there's this is one.

Speaker 5 (15:28):
If there's Eddie, any game on your schedule you have
to chalk up to a w.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
It's home against the Giants. We got anybody else.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
On the phones right now? We have earlier?

Speaker 5 (15:36):
All right, cool, let's take a time out. Let's get
to Hugh. I'm sure Hugh will bring some sanity to
the program. I hope two eight, six, nine, five, nine five.
You wanna jump aboard twelve Man post game show Dick
Fan Seahawks lose twenty nine twenty.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
I can't even believe. I can't even believe I'm saying.
I can't even believe I'm saying that the.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
Seahawks lost twenty nine twenty to the New York freaking Giants.
More next on ninety three point three kJ RFM.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Now back to the twelfth Man postgame show.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
The Seattle Seahawks on your home.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
For the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety three point three jjrfm's.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Second and three GINO.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
First down, DK Metcalf with the ball coming out, Nupin
falls on it.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
And they're saying it's Giants football.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
DK Metcalf fumbled last week in Detroit's.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
And now they're saying, no, it is Giants football.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Jones has time, Slaton's down there and he's got it touchdown.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
So much for the d ball not working Twice on
this drive, Jones to Slaty, and the Giants are on.

Speaker 5 (16:49):
Top death taxes and DK big minuses in football games.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
I mean, you're gonna get one a week, There's no
question about that.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
And in my opinion, In my humble opinion, that was
the absolute lynchpin moment of this football game.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Let's remind ourselves where we were.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
We were coming out of a first half that was
as miserable as you could possibly play, a first half
where the only reason you got a touchdown is because
of a ball happened to pop into your hands and
you ran in one hundred yards back.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
You did nothing on offense the entire first.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
Half, and yet yet you found a way to be
tied ten to ten a football game. The Giants get
the ball to start the third, they go three and out,
you holding the five yards.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
You get the ball. Your first play Tyler Lockett for
thirty three.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
Your second play one of ken Walker's five touches of
the game, in the ground attack for seven yards.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
Third play, DK metcalf over the middle, first down. Here
we go, Oh crap.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
No, he fumbled and it's set up a touchdown, and
it's seventeen to ten. And the balloon in that stadium,
it was finally starting to get.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
Blown up, and it just popped in that sequence.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
Hugh Millan joins us on the twelve Man postgame show, Hue,
how you doing, man.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
I'm doing fine, I disagree with one thing you said.
You're not humble at all about your opinion about DK.
You've been taking this for a couple of years, and
you've made it personal, and you've planning your flag and
you've built your castle on this beach, and you're going

(18:37):
to be anti DK, and there's going to be a
lot of things that you don't understand about what DK
is at now. That fumble no excuse last week, fumble
no excuse. You're right, those were huge plays. But this
when you talk, you know this tone of voice you
take over and over again with DK. You have no

(18:58):
idea what he would fetch on the open market. And
then he goes because you don't want to pay him.
Clearly you don't want to pay him. Then he's going
to go. And then every time, week after week, including today,
every single time, when the best corner is shadowing DK
and he's opening things up for Tyler Lockett, you can say.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
What what happened to Tyler Lockett?

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Well, now he's getting their best player all the times
they roll the coverage to DK in cloud corner and
a safety over the top, and he's opening up other things.
Then you get what happened to all that stuff and
you're not understanding the connection. So look, I'll agree with
you that that was a very punitive. This is back
to back, no excuses, But I'm not going to agree

(19:39):
that you're humble with your assessment of DK. I think
you've made it personal and it's over and over again.
So look, I think you do not understand the impact
that DK has on this football team.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
You're just talking about the mistakes he's making. Hugh, I
didn't say one thing, no at all about how this has.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Been going on for years. You've been your.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Talking about tournament.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
You listen, you want to rip him. You're paid to
be a sports radio jock. Rip his ass. Fine, and
take whatever tone you want and say whatever stupid things
you want that are ignorant and unaware of his contributions.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Knock yourself out.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
I don't tell me that you're humble. Don't tell me
that you're humble. You it's a humble opinion. Is a
figure of speech, My goodness, can we like move on
from this? Seriously?

Speaker 2 (20:27):
It's not a figure of speech.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
And the tone that you take over and over again
displays your ignorance.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
Okay, you do you want to talk about the football game,
or do you just throws.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
You want you no, no, you bring me on.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
And this has been going on for years and and
and you you take these snarky comments about DK over
and over again, and you don't understand what he's doing
for the football team.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Now what he did.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Look, this is a bad day for me to argue
on behalf of DK because that fumble was very pivotal, unexcusable.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
But this is this is a mounting thing.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
And when I hear you say, in my humble opinion,
I say garbage. There's no humility coming out of you
when you talk about DK, and there hasn't been for years.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
All right, do you want to talk about the game now?
Is that good? Can we do that?

Speaker 2 (21:18):
You're driving?

Speaker 4 (21:19):
All right, let's talk about the game. Let's talk about
the play calling.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
First of all, Hugh, I had an issue with Ryan
Grubbs play calling last week. In the first half, it
looked like there was it was a carbon copy. This
week I took a look, what I say, anders, thirty
two drop backs? If we just if we just throw
out the last twelve drop backs of the game and
call that where you have to throw the ball right,
thirty two drop backs and five handoffs to Ken Walker.

(21:44):
Coming off of what we saw last week where we
had twenty of the twenty first twenty of the first
twenty four plays the Detroit game being dropbacks. What's going
on here, Hugh? Because it's frustrating to me, but I'm
gonna let you. You're the expert, so I'm gonna let
I wanted you to tell me why we are seeing
such a preponderance of the pass game.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Well, I think it's fair to question why Canine is
not getting the ball. Bar Absolutely, if I were to
try and defend Ryan Grebb's position on this, if you
go leading into this game, you had in the Denver
game first half because because you've keyed in on first
half rush attempt right, yes, no for the season. So look,

(22:28):
you had first first half rush attempts one point seven
yards per attempt against Denver. Now they weren't much better,
they were two point seven in the past and Denver,
but New England first half two point seven average rushing
the ball, eight point four average per play throwing Miami

(22:51):
two point nine yard average rushing eleven point one yard passing.
Now you say, well, those are two games that you
didn't have canine last week K nine first half one
point two five average passes, you were at five point seven,
so you aggregate those on first these are first and

(23:11):
second down runs in the first half. What what Grub
might say, I'm not in his head is two point
one one average when you're when you're running the ball
on first and second down. These are neutral downs in
the first half, and then seven average. He's getting seven
yards when he passes the ball. So he might say, look,

(23:32):
I'm tired of being behind the chains now that I'm
trying to present a Grub argument as best I can,
but you can find there.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
Jack real quick. I always want to say, I just
want to.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
Say, the sample size to me is so small when
you're talking about four carries in the first half last
week and two carries in the first half half this week.
I don't even know how yards per carry even factor
in when you're talking about such a small sample size.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Well they do a little bit.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
But if you if you're saying, okay, uh, you run
the ball and you get minus one and your second
eleven and and he feels like he's digging out again, Dick,
I'm not. I'm not defending what I'm trying to do
is is you'd say, well, if we if we operate
from the assumption that Ryan Grubb is not an idiot
and that he has a plan, and you say, Okay,
why are we seeing what we're seeing?

Speaker 2 (24:21):
What would he say?

Speaker 3 (24:23):
I'm trying to give you a possible explanation as to
what he might say.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Does that does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (24:31):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (24:32):
Yes, and and that that would be My question for
him is like, can you extrapolate numbers percentages based upon
such a small sample size? I think it can with
a throw because he throws so much in the first half.
I think we have a really good idea of how
efficient the passing game is because the sample size is
so large. I just don't think we have a very
good understanding of how good the run game is when

(24:54):
you don't even start the running game.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Well, we can try the front door, we can try
the we can try the side door. I'm I'm going
to keep giving you the same answer. I agree that
K nine to certainly today should have seen the ball.
More So, I'm not trying to argue on his behalf
as if I agree with them. I'm trying to operate

(25:17):
from the the assumption that he's not an idiot. There
must be some reason, and I'm trying to present what
could be a possible reason, right like you know, so
again I think K nine should see the ball that
looked that was a bad game. That was uh, you know,
on both sides of the ball, clearly a lack of energy.

(25:39):
You had a very emotional Monday night game in the
Eastern time zone. You come in, you're fly, and you
get in late Tuesday. These are these are these are
not excuses. You're you're a professional football player. You're you're
paid to deal with this, and it'd be one excuse,
you know, if you're playing the Ravens today and you
had disadvantages like okay, you're playing a one to three
team that doesn't have their running back, doesn't have their

(26:02):
their their number one target at wide receiver, and and
and yeah they played on Thursday a week ago.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
They had ten days.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
You had basically you know, six six days or even
five and a half. They had an advantage. You're playing
at home. You can't lose. And you know, it was
just a really bad day for the Seattle Seahawks. It
was a bad day for the offense, it was bad
day for Gino. It was a horrible day for Trey Brown.
It was.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
I mean, I can't even believe.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
You know, it's like you're playing with a Mountain West
cornerback out there.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
You had you had, uh you know, right from the jump.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
You get into a third and seventeen and you give
up an eighteen yard screen round. You know on Tyrrel
Dodson's the weekside linebacker over there. Well, teams are gonna
get on the on the on the hash, They're gonna
they're gonna set the trips away from the other and
then they're gonna throw back to the weak side. You've
got you can't be so pushed over. You got to
make plays. So I'm not saying he was the only

(26:57):
guy getting a minus. But then they come back and
they they they could throw screen pass right over there again,
and and and Dodson is is is not there to
make the play. I don't know how many I don't
know how many tackles you have from from Tyrrel Dotson.
But I said it Monday, I think we got a
problem with our middle linebacker.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
How he takes on blocks.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
He stays in the right gap, but there's no physicality,
and and so we're gonna keep seeing these lead blocking
uh type of gases right up the middle until until
they figure things out in the middle because because we're
technically sound, but we're not physical there.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
So I don't know, it's just you know, they're on
and on. I mean, it's just very aggravating day.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
I would think, because you raise a great point, and
I talked about it earlier about the difference between the
six days arrest for the Seahawks and the ten days
arrest for the Giants, that would that would lead lead
me to believe that it would be even more important
for Ryan Grubb to try to control the clock a
little bit to make sure his defense doesn't get where
it out worn out?

Speaker 4 (27:59):
Is that?

Speaker 5 (28:00):
Did you see the play calling contribute to the defense
getting pushed around or was that just simply a scheme
effort type thing. They're just their offense was just you
know better today than our defense.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Well, the very first time the Giants get the ball.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
They had a sixteen play drive. Yeah, yeah, you know,
and they had those converts. Now you say, uh, Seattle
got was fortunate to get the one hundred and two
yard return.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
But I don't know, I just think that you know,
the tackling started off good.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
They Daniel Jones was thrown out in the flat, and
you had Jenkins, you had Love, you had you had
guys making good tackles out in the flat because they're
using the sideline, you know, smartly and and and making
really good tackles. So I was like, oh, this is
gonna be a good tackling day. And then all of
a sudden they start missing tackles more in the in
between the numbers, and so I think there was too

(28:55):
many mistackles, not not enough.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Gap integrity.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
I mean, the Giants were running this play called duo
where you have you have down blocking at the point
of attack.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Let's say you're going over right guard.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Everybody on the right side blocks down in towards the ball.
You say, well, that sounds like a power play, like
you're gonna pull the backside guard. No, what duo is
is you don't pull the backside guard. And usually the
running back is either going to hit it on the
over right guard or he's going to bounce it out
to the right end.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
But you know, you had you had linebackers. They they
get out of the.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Gap and then there's they open up the weak side
of that play, and that happened a number of time. Hell,
there was like a twenty freaking something yard gain on
that where where we just leave the b gap that's
the gap between the guard and the tackle away from
the play duo, and and Baker's got to be in
that gap, and and his eyes he starts, you know,

(29:52):
he just wanders over to the other gap. I mean,
you know, they they're not playing physical. And then when
they weren't playing physical, they weren't they didn't play sound,
uh and and have their gap integrity and understand the
structure of the defense. So it just it just kind
of one of those gnarly days on both sides of
the ball.

Speaker 5 (30:10):
The play where Geno Smith slid in front of the sticks,
it was that a business decision there was that just
Gino unaware of where the sticks were.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
I mean, that was that's a play. You gotta get.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
To this right before the fourth down. I dicked.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yeah, it was a fourth and one. Uh you know
at that point you were down twenty to thirteen. Yes,
early in the fourth quarter. That was the That was
the second play of the fourth quarter. On a third
and twelve, he goes up the middle and look, it's
a lot. It looks a lot different down there on

(30:48):
the ground when when you're scrambling, you know, that yellow
line that we see on TV is not the field.
And so it's possible that he thought that he had it.
H Look, he's got enough experience and given the consideration
consideration the game. Yeah, I like my notes, say what

(31:09):
Geno slides with two exclamation marks? And then what two
question marks? So that's not that that and then uh
and then on fourth and one, they they go for
it and they and they they turned Burns totally loose.
You know, if you want to bang on grub, there
might be a place grammatically, dick where you you know,

(31:29):
you'd say, wait a minute, where that we're trying to
do a bootleg. But it's fourth and one the end
to that side. You know, are you expecting him to crash?

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Well, what if he.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Comes up the field? Well, if he comes up the field,
you're not gonna have a play. And so you know,
there's a little bit of a gamble in that. But
getting back to the third down and twelve, Yeah, he's
got he's got to put his shoulder down. You look,
I'm not gonna question his toughness because he's shown it. Yeah, yes,
and you know that's just one of those plays where
he's gonna kick himself and say, I've got to be

(31:58):
aware if in doubt he's got to, he's got to.
He's a big dude, you know, out there in space.
I got to check the numbers. You know, they're probably dbs,
not linebackers. But even if they're linebackers, at that point,
you don't drop your shoulder, try and protect your right shoulder,
but try and push the pile and get that first down,
because look what it led to.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
Yeah, I'm just I mean, I'm thinking of the great
quarterbacks in the NFL. And it's not not just Josh Allen.
Gives me Josh Allen weighs three million pounds and he
can just pull through guys. Of course he's going to
put his shoulder down and get that. But even a
guy like Patrick Mahomes, I mean, there's no way. I
can't even I can't even shut my eyes in the
vision Patrick Mahomes sliding in that situation.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
If it's third and five, maybe you have a better
awareness of where the first down, you know, but it's
third and twelve, you know, you drop back, really, you
drop back your your seventeen eighteen yards from them.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
You think you're probably happening.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
You start running and well, no, you just you lose
sight of of you know, you lose the sense of
where's the first down? And I would say this, I
think that if he knew where that yellow mark is,
I don't believe. I don't believe these slides unless he's
getting a heavy dose of dude, you're worth more than

(33:08):
any one possession to this football team, even you know,
unless it's the gate, you know, the game is on
the line, it's the go like John Elway when he
had the helicopter spin in the Super Bowl against the Packers, Like,
unless it's that dire, we need your body more than
we need your first down.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
Right, Well, let's take a quick time out come back.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
I want to talk about that block field goal at
the end of the game and find out your take
on the legality of that play in your mind. We'll
do it next and we're going to go to Sunday
Night football here briefly on in about fifteen minutes or
so right here at twelve man postgame show. Seahawks lose
the Giants twenty nine twenty on Sports Radio ninety three
point three KJER front.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Now back to the twelfth Man postgame show.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
The Seattle Seahawks on.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Your home for the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety three
point three KJRFM.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Third down and seven, Here comes burn Smith's steps up
looking up by Banks.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Well.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Deontay Banks was challenged this week, and so far he
has risen to the challenge.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Excellent performance today by the New York Giants. Gotta tip
your hat.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
I mean, we can complain and moan all we want
about how the Seahawks played, but the Giants came three
thousand miles away and just kicked the Hawks and the
teeth on both sides of the football, particularly on the
line of scrimmage. But I do want to go to
that pivotal play at the end fourth and fourth the
New York twenty eight. This was after the drop by
Jackson Smith and Jig, but that would have given Seattle

(34:37):
a first down. Bryce Ford weet in a six yard
return of a blocked field goal. Hugh, I was kind
of looking for a flag on that play, but maybe
you can give us some insight on why it was
legal or if it was.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
You know, I've been a holder, so I've been in
special teams meetings. And I'll get right to that question, Dick.
If you jump over the center, it's a penalty. If
you jump in the gap, it's not. And in the
in the view of the official, you know, he's standing
right behind it, he thinks it's in the a gap.
And and really, just as I comment, what broke down

(35:12):
from the sea ok perspective or what are the factors?
It's actually really simple. This is how how you go
about field goal block. You've got nine guys up there
blocking right and and so that means there's ten gaps,
five to each side of the center. Well, they can
rush ten, they can rush eleven guys if they If they,

(35:33):
you know, don't want to.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Worry about the fake field goal.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
And the way you block the gap is is the wings,
the guys that are on the outside.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Everybody blocks in towards the center.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
They've got their inside gap, the wings, the tight ends
that they're always a tight end, a large body person.
And guess what you know, they they defend the E gap,
which is the fifth gap out. They just have their
their outside leg planets so that the edge guy has
to jump.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
You tell the wing to go down inside and then
the edge guys to jump over your leg. That's how
you do it. So okay, well, so what's the breakdown.
Laken Tomlinson is the right guard. He has the a gap.
The center can't get that gap. He's snapping the ball
and solacoln Tomlinson period end of story, number seventy. He

(36:22):
has got to block in towards the center. And he's
a veteran guy. Now he's left guard. Is that a
factor that he's playing right guard? No, he's a veteran
football player. He's got to block that a gap that
I would say, as in adenum, it is possible. This
would just be my speculation. Maybe teams are getting a

(36:44):
beat on what the Seattle field goal snap cadence is.

Speaker 8 (36:47):
Like.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
They have a same routine.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Right, it's audible where the holder puts his finger down
and then they snap the ball. It's possible because wasn't
that Simmons who blocked that. I mean, he's a hell
of an athlete, Isaiah Simmons, and so it seemed like
he might have timed that up perfectly. So maybe Seattle
has to have a little bit of a hard count
on their field goal. Of course, you don't want to

(37:09):
get a false start, So that could be a factor.
But the one factor that I'm certain of Lake and
Tomlinson has to have the a gap to his inside.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
Oh, we got about a minute.

Speaker 5 (37:17):
You wanted to talk about the touchdown pass the slate
and for thirty yards picking on Trey Brown who was
in for Reek Wool and Trey Brown on a rough day.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yeah, I was just shocked. I mean, just the third
quarter alone. We don't have time to go. But I've
got number twenty two. I mean, he's beat on slants,
he's beat on go routes, blah blah blah on that
on that play. Credit the Giants. What happened there is
you've got Julian Love as the post safety in the
middle of the field. But when the Giants, when Daniel
Jones starts to sprint out to the right.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Now, that distorts the defense. It's man to man.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
But to distorts the free safety Julian Love, he has
to flow.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
I'm not saying Love.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Made a maa a misdssignment. He's just that's what you
have to do. You have to flow with the quarter
back there. Then you're running back across. They had reduced
the split by Slayton meaning closer to the ball. That
means he's more likely to get inside leverage on an
inbreaking route talking about Slayton and get Brown on the
outside and uh and and then you know, from that

(38:14):
point it was just one on one because you distorted
in the manner that I described.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
And hell of a pass.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
You know he walked it to him, Yeah, he walked
it to him. But this was a day. I mean,
like I Troit, I don't know if his girlfriend broke
up with him last night.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
I don't even know. Like I never I never thought
that his floor was that bad.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
Yeah, he's always He's always been a reasonably good at
worst cornerback.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Wasn't today, he wasn't there.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
Well we got I don't know if this good news
are badcause I guess it's good news for us. Hugh.
There's a weather delay right now as there's.

Speaker 5 (38:50):
A front moving through Pittsburgh, so we got a couple
of minutes extra. So what we'll do, Let's listen to
some Mike McDonald here and then get your thoughts on that,
and we'll take some final thoughts of you and me
on the on the game today, and then we'll send
it off to Cowboys and Steelers.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
So here's here's the head coach, Mike McDonald. After the
loss of day, you.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
Know, put our heads down.

Speaker 8 (39:09):
We gotta keep our heads up, take it on the chin,
move forward. So we got a game, Uh was it
three or four days? And uh, we need to be
ready to go, so we need to get better in
a hurry.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Mike takes a good thinking on the fourth and one
and choosing to.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Go for it here and then there.

Speaker 8 (39:24):
Yeah, I felt like we had a good play and uh,
it was confident in the situation and we felt good
about it. And and I'm not sure. I'm not sure,
like I don't. They didn't play it the way that
we expected him to and Burns made a great play.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
So that was that the play you called as executing.

Speaker 8 (39:49):
That was that was the play that we had game
plan for that situation.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Mike, What did you see is the struggles on defense today?

Speaker 8 (39:56):
For you guys, we got we gotta we gotta out
played and not executed today. That's what happened. I thought
we made some good adjustments as the game went on.
I'm not sure what the numbers are saying, but like
you know, we didn't get out. But when we did
get create a third downs in the first half, we
didn't get off the field, and then I think there

(40:18):
are some penalties there in the second half. So it's
kind of all the way around, all three phases, all
three levels of the defense, myself included. I mean, we
got out played the day on defense.

Speaker 9 (40:30):
This is the second straight game that you guys came
out throwing the football. I believe fifteen out of the
first seventeen plays dropped back and throwing. Ken Walker had
four carries midway through the third quarter.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
What are your thoughts on that situation.

Speaker 9 (40:41):
This seems to be a tread where number nine, when
he's been healthy, is not getting the ball very much
until late in the second half.

Speaker 8 (40:47):
Well, yeah, I mean that's a fair question, and we do.
We definitely need to get the run game going. The
way the game started, you know, we were thinking about
trying to get Gino going early and I'm not sure
how many plays we had in the first half, but
it wasn't many. Game started. You know, I'm gonna get
out of hand there, and so we had to get going.
But you're right, we need to get the run game going.
When you get ken the ball more.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
Down there issues.

Speaker 8 (41:14):
Uh, well, you know there's a guy in the A gap.
We need to block him. So it's pretty much that simple.
But you're allowed to push down. They pushed down on
our right guard and he wasn't able to get to Simmons.

Speaker 9 (41:25):
What do you make of all the success they had
a part of the ball, Do you guys feel like
you had the right personnel on there to stop the run?

Speaker 8 (41:31):
Yeah, it's our best eleven guys, given given who's on
the field for them. And uh again, we we have
to we have to. We got to call a better
game and when when we are in those plays, we
have to execute better and tackle and leverage the ball better.
I mean, it's fundamental football that we're coming up short.
And that's what's that's what's disappointing right now.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
I understand Mike McDonalds saying at the end of the game,
you kind.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
Of have to abandon the run.

Speaker 5 (41:59):
And and that's why you know, I took away the
last twelve attempts. Is not even in consideration for whether
I'm comparing run the pass. But the fact of the
matter is the Seattle Seahawks had seven consecutive possessions to
start this game, where they trailed by nothing or one score,
So time and score had zero to do with ken

(42:23):
Walker not getting the ball in those first seven possessions.
It may have had something to do with him not
getting the ball in the last two possessions, but not
the first seven possessions.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
Your thoughts on what you heard there from the coach, Hugh.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Well, I think it's kind of echoing what we said, right.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
I mean, we talked about the A gap and Tomlinson's
got to have the A gap.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
He talked about Canine's got to run.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Russ Moore, You've you've absolutely been blowing that trumpet, and
I agreed with you when I came on. I tried
to give you what might be in Grub's head, but
I'm not in Grub's head. That's the that's the best
that's the best argument I could give you, know, But
you know, particularly at halftime it was ten to ten

(43:08):
and the seven points, the seven points was the run
back and I got the ball first, you know, Detroit,
the Lions got the ball first, like so, so you
had all the reasons why there should be some decent
numbers and and they just weren't there.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
And then and then they're they're tackling.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
We kind of talked about some specifics on the screen,
getting out of position on the on the duo play
that I described that they got a number of times.
You're not supposed to get the backside b gap on duo,
but they gave it up at least couple three times
for big runs, double digit runs. So so I think
we touched on pretty much everything that was top of
mind for him. I just think, you know, the bigger

(43:48):
question for me as we're learning about Mike McDonald and look,
I'm going to say this in advance, I am a
huge Mike McDonald fan. I love them. I love them
as a person. I don't love them because I don't
know them that well, but but I love him to
the extent that I could love a coach, right, I mean,
trust me, there's local coaches that I don't like or

(44:09):
haven't liked, you know, being a Seahawk and a Husky
fan through I'm not gonna name.

Speaker 10 (44:13):
Names, but I really really really like McDonald and I
think he's really, really, really accomplished. And the numbers speak
for themselves. We're learning, you know, about how he coaches.
That was a little bit of a no show by
the Seattle.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Seahawks today, and I'm not sure they did a great
job of correcting it. And so you know, you know,
it's not anything that makes me draw conclusions because we're
gathering evidence in this young era of Mike McDonald.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
But I really like the guy's a human being.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
I really like him as a coach, and I think
he's going to get it figured out. But today, you know,
today wasn't that day, you know, And for Grub, you know,
he had a bad game against Arizona State, horrible game, yep,
and see, and the Huskies were lucky to win. So
even the best are going to have a bad days.
I think it was a bad day for a lot
of people today.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
Well.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
And also, you know, that sounded like a very concerned
coach about having to play three games in ten days,
and he and rightfully so. Not only you playing three
games in ten days, I mean, you give me a
list of the three most physical football teams to face
over the last five years in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
The forty nine ers are absolutely on that list.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
There's no I think they're number one.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
I mean probably one.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
I mean I put them, I'd put the Ravens and
I don't even know I'm not even.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
Sure who i'd put third.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
The Lions up there too, Yeah, I think go ahead
Lions fit the Lions offense, I would say, yeah, I
would say that the forty nine ers have a clear
advantage over the Lions defensively, but I think offensively in
just terms of getting into two tight ends, physical wide
receivers that want to you know, nobody backs down. Yeah,

(45:54):
you know running backs that that that are are not
going to run out of bounds. You know they're going
to finish the run over by the sidelines. Like, yes,
I think the Lions were a physical game. But if
you sit there and talk about three games and ten
three in ten days, you know it's gonna get in
your head.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
It's it is what it.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Is, right and and and when you played on Monday
night with Detroit, everybody was on the same page from
a disadvantage standpoint. When you played today, the Giants had
an advantage. But you know what, they traveled across the country.
They had a ten days, but they traveled across the
country and they're only one to three, and they were
you know, they they arguably were more banged up than

(46:32):
the Seahawks. And so I'm not giving them a pass
on this now Thursday to me, Thursday games people don't.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Everybody. Everybody hates the players hate to play on Thursday.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
But they're at an equal disadvantage because they're both coming
off a Sunday game, like the forty nine ers played
today at the same time zone or you know, same
time in the same time zone, so they're going to
be equal and forty nine ers, you know, well it's
a short flight, so that's that's negligible. If you want
to say, well they played last Sunday as opposed to

(47:04):
Seattle played on Monday. So over the course of that
period that if you're gonna if you're gonna parse that out,
you're just looking for excuses to lose. Like they got
to just be professionals. There was no excuse today, there
was no excuse on on Monday, and there's no excuse
on Thursday. The forty nine ers lost today, they're gonna

(47:24):
be And if you go back to didn't they play
on Thursday or Monday or Sunday? I know they played
a primetime game last week or last year rather and
the forty nine ers, something had happened.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Maybe you could look it up. Maybe anders can look
it up.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
I know there was some incentive wherever Seattle's record was,
or the forty nine ers or whatever, but the forty
nine ers had a sense of desperation and they came
in and and and they just I mean they slapped
Seattle around and you know, they stopped them and all
these other words were coming through my head that I
can't say on the radio.

Speaker 6 (47:58):
But but.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Yeah, so the forty nine ers, you know, you're gonna
get the very best if you think they're tapping out
like well, you might get that from other teams later
in the season after Thanksgiving, you ain't getting it from
this team, the forty nine ers. And you sure, you know,
I mean we haven't even got to Halloween. So you're
gonna get a very very angry, desperate forty nine er

(48:24):
team that is going to be at their best. But
you know what Seattle has to match that they if
they're not pissed off about what happened today and what
they you know, that was a borderline no show.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
That was a semi no show, emotionally semi emo.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
You know, I've seen worse. That's why I say semi.
But that was inexcusable. If you're if you ever want
to think you're going to be on a trajectory to
be in a championship football team. That's inexcusable how you
approach the game today. I mean, I just see the
body language, you know, just see the body language. Just
you know, we've been watching we all been watching football

(48:59):
long enough to know when energy comes off the field,
when energy comes onto the Even when you're watching on TV,
you can feel the energy.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
It wasn't there.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
Well I'm being in the stadium.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
It kind of felt like the fans were just waiting,
like the fans wanted to make noise. But the fans
were like, come on, guys, give us something, you know,
give us, just just give us one little spark to
get us going. And every time they gave him that spark,

(49:29):
they did something to cough it up. Whether it was
the fumble or something else, or whether it was Gino
sliding before the sticks.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
And getting stopped on fourth down. You know, it's just
something that just.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
The fans could just never really get juiced up today.
I rarely use the word huge to describe a game
in October in the NFL because we have so many
games left.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
But I mean, you just.

Speaker 5 (49:50):
Look at the standings right now, Seahawks at three and two.
Thank god for the Arizona Cardinals today beating the forty
nine ers.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
They're at two and three, the forty nine ers at
three and three.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
I mean, you could put two games of separation between
you and the Niners with at least half the tiebreaker if.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
You win on Thursday.

Speaker 5 (50:10):
And this is a massive game for Seattle, if they
want to have a chance to win this division, and
you're looking at you're looking at a unquestioned division favorite,
if you can find a way to beat them on Thursday, and.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Idea, yeah, you know, I think that it's kind of
like a fork in the road game. I think you
totally if you win that game, you say, okay, now
we can start thinking about this being a you know,
eleven eleven win team, you know twelve. You know, if
if you lose the game, then you're kind of, oh,
can we sneak in over five hundred and watch you know,

(50:47):
four other teams and make.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
The last a spot in the wild. And now it's to.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
Be fair, I should I should strike that because it's
too early to.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
But it feels like John O Domino's.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
But but but you know, it kind of says, Okay,
what kind of team are we gonna be in twenty
twenty four?

Speaker 2 (51:03):
It feels like this is this is really huge.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
No question about it. Well, great stuff you as always.

Speaker 5 (51:09):
Uh, they're still in the weather delay, but I think
that that front's supposed to pass pretty.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Quickly, so you can take it to Westwood one.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
Here sounds good. We'll we'll get on out of here.
I know you've got a lot of you got a
lot of research to do, you got a lot of
film to watch. We'll we'll listen to it.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
We're gonna we'll talk tomorrow. Hone up that analysis by
tomorrow morning.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
You bet.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
Sounds good, boy, kind of just it.

Speaker 5 (51:27):
It's just kind of you know, rained in your rained
in your parade after what was an unbelievable day yesterday
for this city.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
And there football.

Speaker 5 (51:35):
I mean, my god, I'm just as bummed now as
I was fired up last night.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
At about eight o'clock.

Speaker 5 (51:40):
At night, I was like, oh, he smokes, we got
a lot to talk about with the Monday morning quarterback tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
Great stuff. I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (51:47):
Rock and roll.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Okay, thanks Dick, all right, you bet.

Speaker 5 (51:48):
Hugh Breed Love Millan, andrews Hurst great stuff as always.
We've got Cowboys and Steelers coming up as soon as
this front passes, and it's moving through pretty quick, so
they'll get kickoff here momentarily.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
Great stuff. Thanks, Jimmy's on first.

Speaker 5 (52:01):
As always, I'll be back with you tomorrow live from
the Emo Queen Casino at three o'clock with Dave, Softy,
Maller and Jackson.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
That felt so long. Everybody, talk to you tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (52:10):
This has been a presentation of Sports Radio ninety three
point three k j r FF