12th Man Postgame Show 11-30: Seahawks Shutout Vikings

Dick Fain, Hugh Millen and Jackson Felts discuss the Seahawks 26-0 shutout win over the Vikings at Lumen Field on Sunday.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
But a little nugget that Jackson Feltz just told me
off the air, my ear, I mean, that's almost worthy
of breaking news.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
Sounder on here, Jackson is, we're here. Twelfth Man post.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Game Show always a good time when the Seahawks win,
this time twenty six. Nothing over the It was the
Minnesota Vikings they played. It was like such just such
a non descript football team on the other side. I
was like, literally, for like one point two seconds, I
forgot who we were playing a second because it was
such an awful performance by that team. But you know

(01:03):
what you just went, Why don't you share what you
just shared me off the air, the coincidental nature of
what just happened over at Luminfield.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
And it wasn't even me who just brought this up.

Speaker 5 (01:15):
Actually, it's my wife, Rise and I went to the
game for the for the first time we've been to
a Seahak game together since September twenty seventh, twenty fifteen.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Okay, what happened on September twenty seventh, twenty fifteen, the
last time you took.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Your lovely bride to a Seahawks game.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Well, Dick, it's funny you mentioned that.

Speaker 5 (01:30):
It's as she just mentioned, that was the last time
she was at Lumenfield for a Seahawk game. It was
also the last time the Seahawks shut out a team.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
They beat the Bears.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
Coincidentally enough, twenty six nothing at Lumen, So maybe she's
the good luck charm for the defense to shut out teams,
because man, twenty six nothing, then twenty six nothing today, Dick,
that was I mean, that was a Nathan Peterman level
quarterback performance from whoever the hell Max Brosmer is.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
My god, he's trash.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Well, I tell you, because you know, you know how
big a fan of JJ McCarthy I not, But I
mean JJ McCarthy is Joe Montana compared to a boy.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
Today, My goodness.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Nineteen of thirty one hundred and twenty six yards, no touchdowns,
four interceptions, a passer rating of thirty two point eight.
I mean, we've we've seen worse passer ratings than that
in the stadium from quarterbacks, but just in just the
eye test, My goodness.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
But such a tough situation.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Let's you know, we can laugh, we can joke, but
that's a tough situation to just throw a I mean,
no third string quarterback is supposed to be starting an
NFL football game. When you have a third string quarterback
starting an NFL football game, you have had injury issues,
quarterback decision issues, or in the case of the Minnesota Vikings,

(02:57):
both because they made a horrible decision in the offseason
to go with JJ McCarthy, a guy that was completely unproven,
a guy that hadn't thrown a pass in a football
game in over a year, and they decided to hand
the keys to this kid, and he is not able
to perform on the field, and now he's not able
to perform because of injury. I mean, they put themselves

(03:19):
in just a terrible, terrible situation coming off a fourteen
to three situation.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
It was bizarre.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
At the time we set it on the air, we
said in August, like what are they doing? And now
here we are in November slash December saying.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
What are they doing?

Speaker 3 (03:36):
And that's what you make decisions like that, you kind
of deserve what you get.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
Jack. What's interesting about it, Dick, is that Minnesota has
some pretty good pieces around them. I like the multiple
running back situation they had with Jones and with Jordan
Mason Addison obviously, and Jefferson up there with just in
terms of skills, a couple of the best skill duos
in the NFL. And then I think Hawkinson's a pretty

(04:01):
decent tied end. They have decent players, But my god,
I mean, when you just put a quarterback who doesn't
look like he's ready to play JV high school football
in there, you're just gonna end up with a situation
where an offense scores zero points. And I mean, I
don't know what did it end up being four picks
or five picks, because as we were walking out of
the stadium.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
Four picks, five turnovers, totally four picks.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
Yeah, So, I mean it's just one of those situations
where the guy just he's not ready and he's clearly
not in a position to succeed even though you have
decent players around you, it's just today. Always felt like
it was like I think Ashley made the pick in
Factor fiction of Seahawks minus ten on Wednesday. That always
felt like it was gonna hit. And the closer we

(04:45):
got to the game, the more and more it felt
like this was just gonna be a blowout, but maybe
not twenty six zero blow right right, Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
This was a game for a while there when we
had the when we had the turnover inside our own
fifteen yard line, I was like, wait a second, this
is starting to feel like the Wisconsin Husky game for me.
I was it was at I was at the point
where I was like, you know what, we don't even
need to throw the football one time in this game.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
To win the game.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Because at the time, I mean I told my son,
I was like, they're not scoring more than ten, so
all you got to do is get to ten and
you're gonna win this game.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
Now it turned out that all you had to.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Do was get to one, and in this game you
didn't even need ten points. But I was like, let's
just shut it down. And that's really what they decided
to do. That's what Mike McDonald decided to do. You're like, hey,
you know this, this Minnesota team is not gonna score.
I am just gonna completely limit After that fumble, after

(05:45):
that near disaster which the defense picked him up and
got the you know, stone walled up there and you know,
in the red zone, he just decided, all right, I'm
not gonna worry about this.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
I'm gonna run the ball all the time.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
They ran the ball thirty two times for one hundred
and twenty five five yards, you know, only three point
nine yards per carrie, but it it did seem like
the running game was working, even though the yards per
carrie doesn't scream that it was working great. I thought
the running game was fine today, good enough for a
game like this where all you needed to do to
get the.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
Was he get the double digits to win the game.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Yeah, I mean that that was one of those things
where I think we saw it halftime the way that
it was going. I think, frankly, I mean Kenneth Walker
that the first one or the early plays of the
second half was his long run down there on the
left side, on the east side of the stadium, and
it kind of felt like, all right, if if Canine's
gonna be able to get yardage like this, and maybe

(06:38):
it isn't twenty yard carries at a time, but if
he's able to break things away and Sharbonny is able
to come in and do what he did, they could
have they could have really just ran every single play.
But I mean, I think it does need to be
talked about that. I don't think the offense was humming
where we needed to be. I mean, I know, when
we bring in Hugh in a few minutes, you know
he can probably go through it. But again, like you know,

(07:00):
we're still waiting to see. I think this the Sam
Donald second half of the season put it together, look
like he can guide us to a big playoff wins.
I mean, we saw the Rams lose today that may
end up being the collision course in the playoffs. And
even then, the offense today JSN was kind of absent.
We need a much more potent offense against some Vikings defense, like,

(07:22):
we need a much more potent offense, I think going
down the stretch if we're gonna be able to take
down teams in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Well, it was a combination of the frustration for me
earlier with the offense was a combination of terrible pass
blocking in the first half of the game and Sam
Donald seemingly like finding opponents' hands every time he throws
the football. I mean, there has just been way too
many deflections, and I got to ask you what the
reasoning for that is. Because you're not talking about a

(07:48):
Russell Wilson five to ten and three quarters quarterback here.
I mean, this is a this is your prototypical six
to four high release type quarterback. Why is he getting
the ball down so much, not only on passes over
the middle, but passes into the flat.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
It seems like, guys, get it.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Seems like every single game there is multiple deflections on
Sam Donald and some ends up in the hands of
the other team.

Speaker 4 (08:13):
Fortunately, today none ended up on the hands of the
other team.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
But we did see a tremendous defensive performance by Ernest
Jones today.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
I think I know he is.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
I didn't see what every defensive player did in the
NFL today, but I mean, you're talking about an NFC
defensive Player of the Week. Stuff twelve twelve tackles, two interceptions,
two pass defense, and a touchdown for Ernest Jones today.
Just a tremendous game. He was shaking up near the end.
It looked like he walked off under his own power.
Looked like he was okay in that. But you mentioned

(08:42):
it the Rams. I mean, what a huge break, Softie.
And I love the ten and a half points. We
mentioned it on the air for Carolina today. Neither one
of us saw Carolina win straight up. I mean, we
just thought, we just thought that ten and a half
points was a ridiculously high number for a team in
Carolina that was a pretty good football team. They should

(09:03):
not be getting ten and a half points, even to
the Rams. And I think it was one of those
things where you got you got two stocks that were
you know, you got you had to buy the Rams
at its highest stock price of the season, and you
bought the Carolina Panthers at their lowest stock price in
a long long.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
Time, and you got great value there.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
And they did the Seahawks a massive, massive favor as
did with the Philadelphia loss as well, the Bears doing
the Seahawks at favors.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
So now you take a look at the NFC.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
You got the Hawks at nine and three, the Rams
at nine and three, the Bears at nine and three.
I am not concerned that the Chicago Bears are going
to be a thirteen win team and threatened for the
one spot. I just now they've impressed me. They've been
much better than I thought they would be. But I
still think the Bears are probably a five or six
loss team. I think the Seahawks and the Rams, I mean,

(09:58):
you still got to throw the Eagles in there.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
They're one game back.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
But I think the Seahawks and the Rams of the
krem Dela cram the NFC West, and it's just gonna
come down to December eighteenth. Man, I just really feel
like it's gonna come down to December eighteenth. The winner
of that game is going to win the NFC West
and likely be the one seed in the playoffs. All Right,
we're gonna break it down with Hugh Breed love Millin
right after a quick time out, Jimmy's on first.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Here.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
The Seahawks win twenty six to nothing, the exact same
score as the last shutout in September of twenty fifteen,
where Jackson took his wife Risa to that game. He
took his wife Risa to this game, and the exact
same score happened twenty six to nothing this time of
the Minnesota Vikings. Well, if you break it down coming
up next. We're here until five fifteen and then we

(10:42):
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Speaker 1 (10:47):
Now back to the twelfth Man postgame show, the Seattle
Seahawks on your home for the twelfth Man Sports Radio
ninety three point three KJRFM.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
He rules, he's pressured, he's in trouble. Pits it up
by Burnus Jones cost.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Be well take it, oh Day.

Speaker 6 (11:09):
The game change in play to Burnus Jones. Eighty four
yards and no flags, twenty six nothing.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Seahawks get the win for shutout in this building in
a decade by the same exact score that they had
a decade ago, twenty six zero, and Hubreed Love Milliner
joins us it is time to break down a shutout victory, which, hey, Hugh,
I don't know if it's a third string, four string,
nights drink, tenh string, twelve string.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
It's a difficult thing.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
To do to shut out a football team in the
NFL by virtue of the fact that it hasn't happened
in a decade.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
So I don't think we can just necessarily throw the.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Max brosber thing out there and say, well, of course
the Seahawks shut Minnesota out. It was Max brosber Well,
there's been a lot of Max bros. Starting in the
NFL and not all again shut out.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
How you doing, man, I'm good, I'm good. Yeah, no,
I agree with that. I mean, you know, and Kevin
O'Connell is one of the better quarterback coaches. He's been
able to have a lot of quarterbacks, including you know,
he had that Dobbs kid who picked up two days
after two days, he had a great month with him, Mullins,
the grandson of Bobby Bethard. I mean, he's had a

(12:26):
number of guys, young quarterbacks that he's he's been able
to be successful with. This is a bad year, but
look credit Seattle. They they they put the squeeze on
the guy. They pressured him in the pocket. We'll go
through the interceptions and and I think that after that
catastrophic interception that he threw on the Ernest Jones pick,

(12:47):
you know, everything changed. You could just see the the
the inflation of the vikings which had been palpable a
little bit, like hey, this guy's playing okay. And then
after that it's just like rolling your eyes. Here we
go again. You see it in Justin Jefferson. He's doing
his best job to be professional, So you can't think

(13:08):
of a play that could be more impactful. But when
you're having the type of year that the Vikings are having,
that one play can just blow your knees out and
you have, you know, you can put up a little
bit of fight. But in reality, you could see this
was gonna be the inevitability after we saw that play.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
The there's an intensity and a focus with this defense
that it almost seems like they're letdown proof a little
bit because this almost seems like it would have been
the perfect game. We're going against Max Brosmer. The Vikings
aren't gonna score. We're just you know, we're gonna throw
out a C minus effort and you know we'll give

(13:53):
up fourteen seventeen points.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
Our offense will be good enough to win the game
by ten, no big deal. But we didn't. And maybe
it's just because it comes from Mike McDonald.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
His schemes are so awesome that they put his guys
in the right places, but they're just this defense seems
to fly around no matter who they're playing, which you
cannot say that for every team in the NFL.

Speaker 7 (14:13):
We know that.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah, And I spent many years kind of throwing flowers
at Pete Carroll for that very observation. And I think,
while I don't take anything back regarding Pete Carroll, I
think the focus in my mind is probably shifted a
little bit towards John Schnyder and who they target. They
want to get guys with a chip and an edge

(14:34):
and really delve into their background and say, you know, hey,
has this guy shown any history of tenacity and fight
and having been told you're not good enough? And and
so I think they have a high, high standard. Every
team in the NFL talks about that standard, but then
sometimes they get they get, you know, waylaid and misled

(14:57):
by the talent. I think that the Seahawks under Snyder,
they are insistent on having that level of a player
come into their building, and so you can feel it.
I agree with you they as far as the letdown.
When you first started to talk there, Dick, I thought
you meant let down from first half to second half.

(15:17):
And I was gonna say, well, Dick, there's some numbers
to refute that. Because they're fourth and points, they're first
in I'm talking about the seat defense. First in first half,
fewest points but only eighteenth in the second half. But
then as you were talking, I realized you meant as
a I think what you meant is, as a general rule,

(15:39):
when they vot their competition, they're not going to have
a letdown. And I think that that's been really a
hallmark of the defense for a long time and long time.
I'm specifically talking about twenty ten, the first year of Snyder,
obviously the first year of Carol, but I think I
think it carries through. So yeah, I think that defense

(16:01):
has a bride. I think that they they specifically seek
and hunt and acquire players with that type of mindset,
the type of guys they're going to have the pride
uh and and not have the letdowns.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
I did feel like there was times, particularly in the
beginning of the game, where I felt like Minnesota wide
receivers were running open and Brosemer just wasn't getting him
the football.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
Did did you see that as well?

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Were there's some were there some significant coverage breakdowns, particularly
in the first half, where you're like, oh, man, if
this is if this is any QB worth his salt,
He's marching this football team down against this defense.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
There was a few I mean yeah, there was a
speed out to the left side to the to the
Viking sideline where there was just a skymail there. There
was there were some balls behind I think uh.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Addison over the middle I want to say, was like
twenty five thirty yards over the middle, and that was missed.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
He had a number of balls where he was trying
to hit the intermediate. Inbreaking routes, these are between the
numbers and in front of the deep layer and behind
the underneath layer. Okay, the underneath layer being the zone defenders,
and Seattle was doing a great job of getting of
being in the right window in the underneath coverage, so

(17:25):
that so that he that Brosmer didn't have the windows
to throw through the underneath coverage. He had to throw
over the underneath coverage. That that happened, oh, I would
say at least a half a dozen times, including on
a couple of those interceptions. So I think Seattle's defense
was spacing. You know, it's a lot easier when as

(17:49):
a quarterback you're in that pocket and you see you
have a guy on an inbreaking route with called a
dagger seventeen eighteen yards and you would like to have
a window there. You can just rip the ball, don't
have to worry about the the trajectory. Just rip a
one ball with you know, with a fastball right into
that window and then and then you know, put it
right on his chest and you get a nice eighteen

(18:11):
yards plus the yeah, the yak. But when you have
to throw over now you have to throw what's called
a two ball, put a little touch on it, and
then we saw some of those balls sail.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
They've gone.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
This defense is gone in three weeks, from a quarterback
facing quarterback in Matthew Stafford that has thrown over eighty
five hundred passes in his NFL career, to cam Ward
who's just thrown a couple hundred passes in his NFL career,
now to Max Brosman, who had thrown zero passes in
his NFL career. Do you see a different type of
defense when they go to the to the awards and

(18:45):
the and the Brozemans of the world. Is McDonald disguising
more things? Is he throwing more junk at these quarterbacks
because he knows they just haven't seen it before.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
They're not used to it, whereas with a guy like Stafford,
they're like, all right.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
I can't be gimmicky with Matthew Stafford because he's literally
seen every coverage, every stunt, every blitz ever developed in football.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
No, I don't see that. I think that. I see
there's times there's there's numerous times today where they just
lined up in a forty front. If I'm the quarterback
and I assess the the blitz possibility, it would be
next to nothing. You know, you can never say zero.
Uh So, I think there's a lot of times they

(19:27):
just played vanilla. They're they're gonna disguise a little bit.
But then there's a lot of times where they're gonna
you know, okay, if I said vanilla, then then let's
go basking Robbins, you know, Jimoke Almond fudged, you know,
raspberry almonds. I mean, they're gonna they're gonna give you
a lot to think about. And then you're gonna go

(19:48):
back to the sideline and you're gonna be going, you know,
you're gonna be looking at the tape and you're gonna go,
oh wow, and you're gonna say, there's like seven layers
to that look. And then then they come back out
and they just line up straight v you know, so
they get that in and of itself when you're expecting,
you know, a complexity uh, simulated pressures like Okay, they're
only gonna they're only gonna rush for, but they're gonna

(20:10):
give the illusion of six. Where are the guys coming?
Where they're not coming? You come on the field after
looking at that tape, because now they look at tape
as opposed to in in years past, they just look
at a black and white photo that you're watching the
game tape, and then you get that in your mind
and then now all of a sudden, it's just vanilla
and you're like, you don't want to believe your eyes.

(20:30):
And that can take a half a second, particularly for
a young quarterback to process through. But but he he,
he tends to do that type of of of changeups
regardless of the uh the experience. I remember remember the
ninety was it ninety seven yard pick six by Leonard
Williams against Aaron Aaron Rodgers, uh, you know against the Jets.

(20:53):
You know, like that was a heavy disguised uh you know,
uh pop and drop by the defensive tackles cover zero
looks like an all out blitz blitz with the defensive tackles,
pop pop into the some of the hot throwing lanes.
And so they've they've had times. And look, uh, you
mentioned Matthew Stafford. Matthew Stafford might have had his worst game.

(21:17):
I'll have to check the game logs for an update,
but but you know he was he fifty against McDonald
and and uh and you know, well under one hundred
on a on a UH passer rating. So yeah, there's
there's a lot of evidence that he's been able to
stem me even the most veteran and smartest of quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Well, speaking of vanilla, let's switch it over to the offense,
and I'm glad they went straight up vanilla, particularly in
the last two and a half quarters of the game.
And we're not even talking about French vanilla. We're just
talking about flat out but you know, Kroger brand vanilla vanilla,
which was I loved because I had flashbacks, Hugh, when

(21:56):
we fumbled that ball and gave the ball in a
three nothing Seahawks lead, when they fumbled that ball at
their own thirteen yard line and gave it to Minnesota,
I had demand Williams Wisconsin flashbacks, and I was like,
because I remember in that Husky Wisconsin game, I was like,
why are we trying to do anything.

Speaker 4 (22:16):
Other than flat out Kroger Vanilla?

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Because the Wisconsin offense ain't scoring more than ten points
in this game. And I was thinking, this Minnesota offense
ain't scoring more than ten. They're not gonna earn unless
we give it to them. They aren't gonna earn more
than two or three field goals in this game, So
don't give him anything. And it almost seemed like after
that play, Mike McDonald was just like, that's it.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
That's all it's gonna be. Straight up.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
I'm gonna run the ball for three and a half
four yards of carry and just win this game that
way and let my defense take care of business. And
that was to me, the right approach in this football
game against this quarterback.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Are you talking about that play? I'm just talking about
why are you.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
I'm talking about I would refer to it, well, when
when the Seahawks fum that is the one time in
the three nothing Seahawks lead and Minnesota was thirteen yards
away from taking a seven three lead in this game.
That was the only time a I was even remotely
concerned about the outcome of this game. And b where
I was like, all right, that's it. Shut her down,
Like shut her down, no more reasons to even worry

(23:21):
about fumbling the you know in your own and I
just want to win this game thirteen to three.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
That was my goal at the end.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
It seemed like Mike McDonald played the entire second half like, Hey,
I'm just gonna win this game thirteen to three. Now,
if my defense scores points for me like they did,
then it won't be thirteen to three, it'll be twenty
to three or twenty three to three or whatever.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
But it seemed like he just shut her down at
that point.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah he did, And that's exactly right. And and you
saw the propensities to run the ball. I thought they
were too conservative in the red zone. But I think
that it'd be you know, just for the service of
the of of the fans might have been in the stadium,
you know, walking or you know, driving home. I think
it'd be good to touch on that pick six and
and talk about some of the elements in that that

(24:05):
that created Dick the dynamic that you're talking about, because
I agree with your assessment. I agree with that observation.
But I think that I mean, if there's ever a
play of the game, you know that that's like worth
three plays of the game.

Speaker 4 (24:18):
Right probably the player that I was talking.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
I don't remember obviously every play that I've seen that
stadium this year, but I think it was probably the
play of the year in that stadium.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna consult there. I have a
list every play as what's called expected points added, and uh,
you know that's gonna be you know, right up, I
know that Gino's Gino's pick six against the Rams last
year in the Miami Yeah, that that is Uh, that
was like a twelve negative twelve point six, which was

(24:51):
the second highest in all of the NFL last year.
So this is gonna be. This is gonna be high, now,
believe it or not. It has less expected points added
when it's on fourth on them first, which actually is
logical because you think, well, if you do it on
first down, you you for went the opportunities. I hope
that's the past tense and four go Uh, the opportunities
that you could have had so for that play was

(25:11):
on fourth and one. But but here's the thing, just
kind of my thoughts about that why that worked. So
it's fourth and one, you're inside the five yard line,
I believe at the four yard line, so you can
so that from the Vikings perspective, and this course three nothing,
so they can get a first down without a touchdown.

(25:34):
And so what they want to do now instead of
run run the ball on fourth and one, they want
to roll out. They got a right handed quarterback. But
it's the manner in which they do it. They they
in my notes that I write, it's King right, Okay,
So King tells me that that's an that's an I
formation with the full back set on the strong side
towards the tight end. Okay, that's the offensive formation. It

(25:55):
would be Queenie'd be on the weak side. So we
got King right, and and the action is such that
you're faking the fullback kind of Laterally, the Seahawks, if
you look at multiple players on that, we'll talk about
what the quarterback wants to see, and we'll talk about
the Seahawks defenders. What you'd like to have is man

(26:18):
to man where you you uh, it's not a naked
Here's the other part of that. When I put in
my notes naked right that means you're faking the running back.
Everybody is going to the left on a naked right,
and then the flow goes to the left, and then
you try and come back on the backside. But DeMarcus

(26:39):
Lawrence was the end on the upfield shoulder of the
right handed quarterback. Got me. If you had if you
had taken the half back and run both in this
case the sensor two backs, if you had sent them
both to the left, Now DeMarcus Lawrence might come down
the line because he's got to seal the cut off

(27:00):
and that's where you get those quarterbacks out on the edge.
But it was not a naked you had the full
back going. It was a split flow. The fullback went
to the opposite way. But the running back is coming
right towards DeMarcus Lawrence, and so DeMarcus Lawrence he is
straight up the field. The Vikings make the decision to

(27:20):
not block DeMarcus Lawrence. He it was just a four
man afront. He's the end. So if you make that,
it wasn't like there was six guys. There's only four guys.
If you make the decision not to block the end,
then you're expecting to influence them with the fake, but
you're not influencing when the running back is sprinting out

(27:40):
to the flat. So so DeMarcus Lawrence is way up
the field and uh and and that's a big problem
for the quarterback. Now, the other part of it is
is you look at Riek Woollen. He has Addison is
the receiver on his side. Addison was what was called
would he goes down towards the inside, towards the ball,

(28:03):
and then he's gonna stem up and then get get
to the corner route in the back of the end zone.
And then so so from the quarterback perspective, this is
what I have when when it got installed. For me,
I'm I'm gonna roll, not naked, I'm gonna roll right,
that's my terminology roll right now. I've got the half
back in the flat that's number one. Then I've got

(28:25):
Addison on the corner route so I uh uh uh
in the back of the end zone that's number two.
Then the tight end Hawkinson, he's what's doing on what's
called a down flat where he blocks down and then
he's in a flat. And then you've got uh uh,
You've got Justin Jefferson from the backside on a backside crosser.
He's number four. So so the four receivers kind of

(28:47):
create a square in your mind, a moving square where
there's two guys in the front uh near the goal.
I throw it at their at their knees, and there's
two guys in the back of the end zone. Throw
it highlight an l e U. That's my thought process.
Now I come out, I'll be the Viking quarterback bosmer,

(29:07):
I go, I roll and I Oh, holy cow, we
didn't get any influence on DeMarcus Lawrence. He's in my face.
I gotta give ground. Oh crap, Greek wollen. He wasn't
in man. He They just passed it off. So my
half back in the flat is covered. The safety he's
got got the corner route Addison there that you got.
Ernestield's got a bunch of dudes on my down flat.

(29:29):
That's that's the innermost shallow guy of the square. There's
no time to even get to Justin Jefferson on the
back and so all of this just conflict and you
know what, you know what it looks like. It looks
like Mike McDonald was in you know, like had the
communication from Kevin O'Connell on the heads. It's like, Oh,
you're gonna run. Oh you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna,

(29:51):
you're gonna hit us with with the you know, it's
a smash concept with the down flat like if you can. Oh,
but you're not gonna do naked, You're gonna do roll. Okay,
here's my coverage. Here's let me tell DeMarcus Lawrence to
get up the field. Don't don't don't don't play down
so uh, don't don't bite with the fullback fake, which

(30:12):
I think is a feeble fake, which I hope i'm describing. Anyway.
We spent a lot of time on this play. A
huge but it's it was such a monumental play in
the game.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Like that game, it ended. It ended the game with that,
with that Bennisoda game. It ended the game. You scored
ten points. That's that's all I felt we needed to
win this game was ten points, and that's what they
got based upon that. Just to remind everybody with two
fifty it was with two fifty nine left to go
in the second quarter of the eighty five yard interception

(30:41):
return by Mike.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
I got a couple of questions related to this play.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
One when you're talking to Brozmer tomorrow in or whenever
the next quarterback.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Meeting is, and you're going through this piece of film.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Are you okay with him trying to throw the ball
as he's going down because it's fourth down? Are you
willing to take the risk that it gets picked off
for the benefit potentially that miraculously some wide receiver a
tight end comes up with the catch and makes.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
The first down.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Well, I can't answer that in a binary fashion because
then you say yes or no. There are times where okay,
fourth down, you'd say, okay, take more risk, but you
can't take that risk. There's no quarterback coach in America.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
And hand flip. You don't want to take that.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
A blind like that looked like a cream abdul Jabbar
like fall, you know, in a skyhook, you know, and
he's getting tripped like like no with blind No, So
I understand, Yes, there are parts where you say, hey,
don't you know, don't just throw it out of bounds.
At least try and find something, you know, if he

(31:53):
had been able to throw to the back, you know,
with Addison and get a jump ball if it gets intercepted,
you know, because maybe Seattle would be foolish and intercepted.
Obviously get the ball in the twenty Yeah, in the
back of the end zone where there's no chance for
you know, high into the back where it's a jump ball. Now,
Addison was the guy on the corner. Maybe I don't

(32:13):
think he could have got his body around to get
back to Jefferson in the back because because Jefferson, if
I I don't know if I painted the picture to you,
but imagine the square with four points, you know, two
guys shallow and two guys deep, and then each of
the you know, each of them respectively, are kind of
near the sideline, and then two or are near the

(32:34):
middle of the field, so back and into the middle
of the field, and deep was Justin Jefferson. Maybe if
you could just you know, if you could think of
Caleb Williams, he's really good at those, or cam Ward,
you know, just kind of fling it high, try and
let Justin Jefferson win a jump ball. I would have
been okay with that. But yeah, I don't know. I mean,

(32:55):
I can't imagine anybody. No, no, this hard. You can't
do it because you're out on the perimeter, Dick, right,
you know, the direction that that he's throwing it, you
do it, you and it's zone. There was there was
a lot of Seahawks defenders in there eyes. I got

(33:15):
to go back and count the jersey or you know,
note the jersey numbers. But there was a ton of
zone guys waiting for that route concept. So you're throwing
it out there all of your skilled anybody who's able
to make a tackle, you know, is out of the picture.
So no, he cannot do that second question on that play.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Before I knew that they were actually going to go
for it on fourth down, I turned to my left
where my son was.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
I said, you got to take the points if you're Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Right here. I turned to my right where my my
brother in law was, I said, you got to take
the points here if you're Minnesota. Like you just were
handed a free field goal by the Seahawks to tie
the game and then all hell breaks loose thirty seconds later.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
So would you do you think now? Hide sight's twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
But I'm telling you I said that before the before
I knew that they were going to go for it,
I thought you got to just take the field goal
and tie it up in a three to three game.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
You're right there, two minutes left to go on the
first half.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
You could go into halftime tied three to three on
the road with a third string quarterback. What did you
think of the decision before you knew the outcome of
the decision.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
Well, I think reasonable minds can differ. I think that
there can be good arguments for both sides. I think
you just made a good argument for kicking the field goal.
I think that the good argument for going for it
would center around your four and seven. It's only a
yard if you if you get stopped, presumably you know,

(34:46):
nobody could ever predict that that you're going to throw
that pick six. You know, if you knew that, then
obviously the kick the field goal. But the assumption is okay,
if we don't get it. Were at almost three minutes,
Seattle's gonna be backed up on their four yard line.
There's a good chance we'll get a stop the way
we've been playing defense. Get a punt, well, well we'll

(35:08):
get We'll get the ball with the minute and a
half to go in the second quarter, with a short field,
a couple first downs, and we can get that field goal. Anyways,
whereas I can tell you that I know for a
fact that some of the saber metrics that have creeped
into these the analysis have changed this year. I'm talking

(35:29):
about twenty twenty five because of the the field position
is drastically changed with the new kickoff rules. I mean,
we we're having average starting position. I mean I see
the numbers on the thirty third team. Every week they
give us these numbers, and I take a photo. I
don't know if I can.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
Pull it up quickly, but the stars different than last year.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
It's it's literally like five, yeah, like five. You know,
it's up around the thirty two yard line. And so
so if you kick the field goal, then the way
teams are starting with such great field position relative to
all prior years, then that diminishes the value of a
field goal. You follow me, yes, because you're lose. You know,

(36:15):
you're you're not getting the expected field position advantage that
you used to you if you knew before, you could
just hammer it and touch back, and they're getting on
the twenty. That's a different calculus than what we have
seen in twenty twenty five, which is I think the
average is around the thirty one and a half start

(36:35):
drive start time. Like I said, I can pull that
up in a commercial break, but yeah, I think there's
good arguments to it. I didn't had I been an
ardent Viking fan. I was not against what they're doing now.
The play, you know, I mean, I'll tell you what,
that was a testament to how Kevin O'Connell felt about

(36:59):
the the defensive dominance of the Seattle front seven, because
with the ricky quarterback, you could have said fourth and one.
You know, it's real true, you know, Hey, you look
at your offensive line, this is on you. You can
get us a yard, you know, all that stuff, right, yeah,
huffing up, you know, blow a bunch of smoke.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
And I just didn't have confidence that they could get
it with a third string quarterback and the way that
we had seen them not move the ball the whole
first half.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, I mean, and obviously a rocky quarterback is good.
You chose to put him out on the edge. Maybe
Kevin O'Connell thought there was this surprise element. They wouldn't Hey,
the Seahawks wouldn't expect me to do that, you know whatever.
I think he's a four and seven coach that that
was fourteen and three team last year. What were they

(37:44):
saying the Vikings since twenty twenty two, they have the
third most wins. Like, he is a good coach, and
he's done it with a lot of different quarterbacks and
young third string quarterbacks. He's won a lot of games
with third string quarterbacks. So so so I think that
they're just kind of shell shocked in the season and
they're emotionally fragile.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
And so when you had that pick six that as
good as the defense had been playing you saw on
k notch below and they still kept playing well, but
then the offense just turned into you know, there was
no confidence in that team.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Since we're at this point of the game, which is
really when the game was decided. I mean the game
was decided in the last three minutes of the first half,
and the Seahawks then did a great job after getting
the touchdown, they did a great job of stopping Minnesota
in three straight plays.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
Minnesota goes up the middle for two yards with two
point fifty two left.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
They get a false start, they get a pass for
negative four yards, and they recover their own fumble, and
then you get a sack right after the two minute warnings.
So here's where I'm screaming at Mike McDonald. He can't
hear me because I'm in the upper deck, but I'm
screaming at mcdonnald while I'm watching the clock go from
one fifty five when the sack was made, all the

(39:06):
way down to one twelve when they punted. You had
three timeouts left to go or are left in the
last minute fifty of that half, and they let it
go all the way down to.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
One to twelve.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
They don't run their first play from scrimmage until there's
fifty eight seconds left, And I think time was a factor.
And this is what two games in a row where
we've seen just kind of ridiculous clock management. What did
you make of how Kubiak and McDonald handled that last
two minutes.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Yeah, I didn't like it at all. It's right here
on my notes. Yeah, because you had third and thirteen
at the minus thirty, you get the sack. I agree
with you. I don't know if I can say it
any more succinctly than you just did. I think that's
something they've got to address in trying to factor the
logic in it. I mean to have not desired to

(40:05):
call the time out. Do you think that you're gonna
score with enough time that they're gonna get another opportunity
to go down. That doesn't make sense. Okay, if you
don't think you're gonna get the stop, I don't know.
I can't defend it because it's illogical to me.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
I think that it may not have mattered. They ended
up getting along field with Jason Myers. A tip of
the cap to Jason Myers today. He had a hell
of a football game. I mean, knocking home too from
beyond fifty yards. You know he's been He's been pretty solid.
I know we always remember the Jason Myers misses, but
he has been pretty solid so far this season and

(40:43):
certainly was today. So maybe it wouldn't matter. You've got
the field goal, got you up thirteen nothing at halftime.
You let's take a time out. We haven't touched at
all on Sam Darnold's game. We haven't touched at all
on why JSN was shut down. We haven't touched it
all on the run game. We haven't touched it all
on the pass protection. A lot to get to in
the Seahawks offense, which you know, if you just look

(41:04):
at if you just looked at the box score and
saw twenty six point score. You're like a Seahawks offense
must have played pretty good. They scored about what they
normally do in the course of a game.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
Ah, not so much. Twenty six to nothing the final
score against the Vikings. We'll bring back with you.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
We got thirty minutes left until our Sunday Night football
right here from Jimmy's on First on ninety three point
three KJRFM.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Now back to the twelfth Man postgame show, the Seattle
Seahawks on your home for the twelfth Man Sports Radio
ninety three point three KJRFM.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Enough here in Seattle, Second and six for the Seahawks.
Sharmany again over the last seme Brexit.

Speaker 6 (41:41):
Tackle, get ups, three touchdown, frost storm of the day
for the Seahawks offense.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Oh, it to a long time for an offensive touchdown
for the Seattle Seahawks, a very very long time. In fact,
they didn't score an offensive touchdown until that play. There
nine to eleven left to go in the game. Dick
Faane with you live from Jimmy's on First. Jackson's back
at the studios. Hugh is with us here and Hugh

(42:11):
last touch And.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
If you'd have told me going in this game.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Walking to the stadium, Hey, the Hawks aren't gonna score
an offensive touchdown till there's nine minutes left to go
in this game. Out I said, oh boy, it's gonna
be one of those one of those ballbusters where a
third string quarterback comes in and gives the Seahawks all
types of fits and we're gonna be sweating this thing.
We weren't sweating it thanks to the defensive performance, but
let's flip it over and talk about this offense, and

(42:35):
we'll start with We'll start with pass protection, because it
did seem like Sam Darnald, particularly in the first.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
Half, was just under siege.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Was it the was it the blocking, Was it extra
men being thrown at Sam Donald by Brian Flores, or
was it Sam Donald just missing guys that were open
and causing his own sacks.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Well, Brian Flores is very aggressive defensive coordinator who wants
to blitz a big diet of a lot of variety
of blitzes. He has man blitzes, he has zone blitzes,
and and they came into the game. The vikings the
percentage of snaps with pressure I'm reading right from the

(43:18):
NFL stat portal. The Vikings were number one. Now, the
Seahawks were number one in total pressures, but the percentage
of snaps with pressures, Vikings were number one. So they
do create problems. They've got some guys that can win.
I thought that the uh, the uh, the performance on
the edges was poor. I thought a Lucas uh he

(43:40):
lost some battles. Charles Cross lost a battle. I think
the communication on the uh, the one where Darnold was
was sacked on a fumble uh in in his in
our in Seattle's own territory. That was you got a
two tight ends and and uh you allow a defensive
then to come in and neither tight end is blocking them.

(44:04):
The way when you set those up and you put
two tight ends out there, you're doing what's called turn protection.
You're you want the tackle to that side, Abe Lucas
blocking instead of fanning out to the wide. You want
him down blocking and creating a double team with Anthony Bradford.
That's the objective. What's the cost. The cost is, well,
you got to keep two tight ends in h to block.

(44:25):
And so that's that's forty percent of your eligible receivers.
You's got five eligible receivers. You spend two of them
to block the end. Now you'd like that to be like, well,
hopefully the only rush four. We got two tight ends
to block an end. But if they if they bring
both pressure there, then one titan is gonna have to

(44:46):
handle one the other tightand's gonna have one that that's
a problem. But at least in that situation, the assumption
is you would have communicated it. Here Seattle didn't even communicate.
You had a total free runner. Uh. And and that
just kind of one of the things that the vikings create.
And so I don't think that they communicated well. Uh

(45:08):
and and certainly on that sack fumble, uh, you know,
completely untouched that that's an example.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
But but it was.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
It was a tough day for the protection and and
Mike McDonald even said it for those who don't know it.
Uh he told the telecasts, Hey, this is this stuff
isn't on Sam. We got to protect that.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
The passes that are batted from Sam Donald, this seems
to be an every week occurrence.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
And it's not just passes over the middle.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
I mean it passes the guys in the flat where
the defensive end you know, reaches up.

Speaker 4 (45:39):
And gets it gets a finger on it is there?

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Can you get Can you give me an indication of
why you think that's happening for Sam Donald, because it's
not like he's not Bryce Young, He's not Kyler Murray's not.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
Russell Wilson, He's not a sub six foot quarterback.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
This guy is a perfectly built six' four flamethrower that
you think should be able to get.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
Passes over, guys but it's not. Happening what do you
think is going?

Speaker 2 (46:03):
On, yeah well today was very unusual in that regard
that that had to be a. RECORD i bet that's
the most Passes darnold's ever had knocked down in his, career.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
But frequently this year happened to this.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Extent but, well, okay so they had one back to
back second and third. Down when when they're bringing a
lot of, players you're going your protection scheme is such
that that to be, sound you, know you have a few.
Principles you want, to, uh you want to have a
hat on a, hat which means for me as a,

(46:37):
quarterback if if They're russian, six DO i have six
guys protecting if they're only rushing? Five you, know whatever
the number. Is if it's, eight we can have eight
guys block and THEN i can take my time IF
i don't feel any, pressure BUT i better know if
there's one more than they're. Bringing and so so that's one.
Axiom big on big is another. Axiom you you prefer

(46:59):
to have offensive linemen blocking defensive, lineman not not offensive.
Lineman what's called squeezing down to a, gap and then
a running back has to pick up a defensive. Tackle
occasionally that can, happen but you try and avoid that
with your. Calls and then the other axiom is protect
from the inside. Out if you're gonna have a, leak
it's better to have it in THE d gap as

(47:21):
In david as opposed to THE a gap is In.
Apple and so there's times where there's guys coming off
the edge and they're they're free, runners so you're trying
to throw. HOT i think The vikings are well. Coached
they are drilled in in that aspect of the, game, like,
hey if you're not gonna get, there try and time

(47:44):
the the. Throw and Now darnold used to have a
loopy delivery AT usc come way. DOWN i remember it is,
like oh My, god put sard glass in my. VIZINE
i can't stand to watch that that that. Release but
he has tightened that. Up uh and SO i BUT
I i don't think It's dan marinoisk Or Aaron rodgers

(48:06):
sk in terms of its. Quickness but it's it's not you,
Know byron Left. RIDGE i think that he used you,
know in, college he had A byron Left widge. Release
and if you don't know what that, is it's. YouTube
it'll it'll take you invest a lot of time because
by the time he he he loops down by his
thipad and the ball comes, out you might fall. Asleep

(48:26):
SO I i kid BECAUSE i care and uh and,
uh BUT i do care about the seatt quarterback getting
balls batter AND i you, KNOW i don't want that
to Be what can happen to? That it, can it
can have a life of its. Own, now the next
team that you, play they, say, hey we got an
opportunity to do. This then they think about it, more

(48:48):
they practice it, more and then it becomes like a
self serving does that make. Sense it creates a vortex
of its. Own so so, yeah that's gotta that's got
to be. Eliminated but you, know and some of it's bad.
Luck BUT i think more than. Anything it's the. Pressures
it's the it's their desire to pressure and try and create.

(49:10):
Mayhem as they, said they're number one in THE nfl
percentage of snaps with, Pressures so they're good at. It
And flor's as really good at breaking down your. Protections
AND i would just say, THIS i think THAT i
think that That Brian flores had The seahawk offense against The,
Ropes Clint, Kobiak Sam, darnold everybody involved what were against The.

(49:31):
Ropes and they were conservative in the red zone with
their play, calling running first, down running second, down and
they had to get out of stuff because they were
worried about. Protection now you, know they did have you,
know one nice response to all. This they Hit Cody
white on a slant on third and. Eleven, that's you,
know there's a chance to get to the quick you,

(49:53):
know that's a quick game where, okay you're not gonna
take a sack and you got a big receiver and
he converts on a big. Conversion so there was there
was isolated times WHERE i Think, seattle, Uh seattle, offensively you,
know fought, back BUT i think for the majority of,
THAT i, mean if you're judging that like a boxing.

(50:14):
Match you're saying The vikings defense was in control of
The seahawks. Offense, NOW i do think at the end
uh the running, game particularly the wide running, GAME i
would tip my hat To Clink kubiak in this. Regard
The vikings came into THE nfl number one in the
use of three to four personnel base forty four point four.

(50:37):
Percent The seahawks only won or less than two percent
one point eight. Percent so that means The seahawks in
mini camp and training camp they don't practice against, that pardon,
Me so that conn be an. Adjustment but they've got
they've got some size on. There and you Saw kubiak was,
committed like we're gonna throw the. Toss we're gonna go stretch,
toss stretch. Toss you, know the power wasn't. Working but

(51:00):
BUT i think The, vikings well they're Scheme, WELL i
don't think they have great team, speed, right and SO
i think that there was a feeling if we keep tossing,
them if we keep stretching, him as evidenced by the.
PERSONNEL i, mean the league is a it's a nickel
it's a nickel, league, Right and yet The vikings are, Saying,
nope we're gonna stick with our our our base personnel

(51:22):
and more than anybody first in THE. Nfl and so
that there was that component of the, adjustment, yes BUT
i think on, BALANCE i think That seattle was a
little bit lagging in the. Adjustments, well and this was
A vikings.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
Team they're twelfth in THE nfl coming in in yards
per carry.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Aloud THAT'S i think my favorite stat in determining whether
a team can stop the. RUN i don't like yards.
ALLOWED i like yards per carry. Allowed and they're at
four point zero And seattle was three point. Nine and
if you take out the you, know THE. A. J
barner tush, pushes you, know with the you, know they're
probably right at. Four this was an average performance for
the for The minnesota defense at four point. ZERO i,

(52:01):
MEAN i GUESS i felt like the running game was passable.
Overall and you, mentioned you, know you you illustrated that
the outside game was more passable than the inside. Game
but thirty two carries for one hundred and twenty five
yards and the, TOUCHDOWN i, mean it was it was good?

Speaker 5 (52:18):
Enough?

Speaker 4 (52:19):
RIGHT i?

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Mean or was it another game where you're, like oh,
Man i'm really worried about this running.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Attack, Well i'm always gonna be worried about the running
tack Because I'M i would look at The, SEAHAWKS i
think you'll you and a lot of fans will join
me and, Say, okay is this team have the chops
to be considered a Legit Super bowl? Contender right like
any team in any year at this juncture of the.

(52:44):
Season if you said that team or the, field there's
never been a hell you could probably go back to
the eighty Five. Bears you, know at this juncture of the,
season the field probably would have had better odds than The.
Bears that's the most dominant Team i've ever seen so
so So i'm looking at and, say, hey Can seattle
legitimately be one of the you, know with it three,

(53:05):
four half a dozen teams that are Legitimate Super bowl?
Contenders and and you, KNOW i feel like the most
likely outcome for this season because and this is not
being you, know dude downer on, this it's just kind
of being more practical than maybe, fans, yeah. Realistic is,

(53:28):
okay if we can if we can agree that That
vegas would set the field as better odds to win
the Super bowl Than. Seattle we can agree, that, Right
and then chances are you and And softie and? Me
are are you And softie AND i are going to
be doing a postgame show after a playoff loss that

(53:49):
is the most like we hope that show.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Doesn't happen in scenario versus, yeah versus a Super bowl
championship or versus a missing the playoffs. Altogether you're exactly.
Right there's probably an eighty plus percent chances it's in the.
Middle and we're doing a playoff loss post game, show
and and.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
And we're sitting there, saying what what was the number one?
Reason the number one reason was the offensive. Line the
offensive line either didn't block well enough for the running
game or didn't protect well.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Enough and SO i think you because that's the reason
we either don't make the playoffs or losing the.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
Playoffs, yeah every, year you.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Think, so you know, that and that's, why you, know
seventy five has just, been you, Know Anthony bradford has
just kind of been a craw on my you, know
thorn in my foot as A seahawks. Fan, everybody every,
fan raise your, hand you've got you've got you've got
something that irks you about The. Seahawks that's just the
nature being a fan doesn't mean that we don't love our.

(54:43):
Team but but seventy five has been that guy for,
me and, uh you know in that, sense you, KNOW
i love so much of what what What John schneider
has done through the, years BUT i don't love what
he's done with the offensive. Line i'm, Good, Hey Gray's.
Abel that's a big first. STEP i don't think it was.
Enough AND i think we're we're gonna here's what we're

(55:04):
gonna probably be. Doing we're probably gonna be talking about
a team that That, okay what do we do moving?
Forward year three With mike. McDonald mike McDonald is is
everything and more that we thought he would.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Be sam from ten wins to probably thirteen wins this
year AND i playoff, Win but then how do we
take the next?

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Step you we Think Sam donald can win a Super? Bowl?
Absolutely is he the best quarterback on the. Planet, no
but he's pretty damn good and and given a decent,
team he can win a Super. BOWL i think that that,
that but we're gonna be saying we got to freaking
improve on the offensive. Line so so you saw that

(55:43):
and you, KNOW i think. SO i, now as far
as j s n you, know the the clamping down on,
HIM i think that there were there was enough times
there was a. Lot look, there he saw a lot
of rold covered tonight right with with the corner down

(56:04):
on the flat and a safety over the top or
a man a man uh where where there's a safety
high and then and then at the snap of the
ball he comes, down but it's pressed so that that
takes that denie free. Access how much has he seen
that this?

Speaker 4 (56:17):
Year was it a higher propensity today than what he's
seen all?

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Season, WELL i won't know UNTIL i watched the coach's.
Tape SO i don't want to talk about What i'm
saying right. Now is is initial observations subject to? Change
is that?

Speaker 3 (56:32):
Fair?

Speaker 4 (56:33):
SURE i will ASK i mean again tomorrow when you
come on with us at more with more at.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Four how about well and at eight a. M i
promise you that first SEGMENT i will give an in
depth answer to this question BECAUSE i will have studied.
That but but you, know, look every fan hates when
the coach SAYS i got to see the. Tape, well
there's a reason why coach, SAYS i have to see a.
Tape there's twenty two guys running round on every, play you,
know and so, so BUT i did obviously put my eyes,

(56:58):
on hey what are they. DOING i saw plenty of
times where there's definitely a concerted effort to take him,
Away but then there was times WHERE i was seeing
opportunities for free. Access so so we'll we'll we'll dive
better on that on tomorrow and and and talk about

(57:18):
is there any kind of, blueprint you, know is this
is this something that that here here here we're throwing
flowers At Brian, flores right at the defense coordinator For,
minnesota and the numbers that that The viking defense had
showing up coming Into loman today and we saw. That you,
Know Sam darnold comes out of this game with a

(57:41):
sixty seven point five passer.

Speaker 4 (57:43):
Ray, YEAH i, mean but he wasn't asked to do,
anything particularly in the second.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Half so do we gives in the first half he got,
rushed his line, stunk and in the second half he
wasn't asked to do. Anything so how do we Judge
Sam darnold's performance today based upon those two FACTS i just?

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Presented, uh you, know, man you, KNOW i THINK i
do want to preface. It anytime that you can complain
about winning AN nfl game twenty six to nothing against
a team that won fourteen games last, year if you're

(58:24):
complaining about that, game you are living. Fat you are living.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Good oh but believe, me there are a lot Of
seahawk fans out there doing just. That all you got
to do is pick up your phone and look at social.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Media so, WELL i understand and the per you, know
THE i always, Think, okay what is the nature of
the person who would be inclined to do? That and
are they likely to be a silent? Majority is there
a silent majority in play and a vocal? MINORITY i
would assume most. Mans, Look i'm not sitting here SAYING

(58:56):
i loved WHAT i saw on. Offense you, know there's
plenty of things that need to. IMPROVE i, Mean Elijah
royo is a mid second round. Pick he's he's just like.
Disappeared Cooper cup finally caught a few, balls but they're
only they're you, Know. Omaha's omaha's is in The West coast.
Offense that's a five yard speed. Out that's not gonna get.

(59:17):
Me TWITTER pd and uh and AND I i'm still Received.
Shaheed hard for me right now to see how that
was worth a fourth and the. FIFTH i think that
there's something's got to. Develop so there's a. Lot, yeah
there's STUFF i don't like about the, offense but, uh

(59:39):
they get they and and and now you Saw carolina.
Today holy, cow we've been Thinking carolina has been lurking
on that on that schedule is almost like a you,
know a gussied up bye week right after THE ram
game and before the forty nine er. Game That's carolinas.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Me that's what gives me the most hope of because,
yes The seahawks are a fundamentally flawed football, team particularly
in the offensive. Front, however you Think rams fans feel
like their team's A Super bowl world beater right now
after giving up thirty one.

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
Points to The.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Panthers there is no team in THE nfl THAT i
look at right now and go that has the look
of a lock Super bowl championship type.

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
Team there are.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
None and Theos Bear bears are playing. WELL i Absolutely
I'm i'm still not sold on. Them i'm still not
sold on their quarterback as being ready to win A Super,
bowl even go to The Super, bowl and in his second.
Year but that's what gives me the most hope because
every team in THE nfl has a fundamental. Flaw and right,

(01:00:47):
NOW i think the top two teams in THE nfl
are in our, division AND i think the division championship
is coming down To december the, eighteenth right here in this,
stadium and it's.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
Going to be a hell of an.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Event, YEAH i think those last four, GAMES i, mean
you got The. Colts, now they've been falling on hard.
Times you knew Against, HOUSTON i, mean they allly score sixteen,
points but but The, colts for they're probably still leaving
leading THE nfl in. Points but you Go Colts rams
At carolina forty nine or. Steenth it's gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
If you go two and two in those. Games but
one of your wins is The.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Rams, yeah THEN i don't think The rams are gonna
win every one of the rest of their, games and
you only need them to lose one more and you're
probably gonna. Win you'll you'll, have at least as of right,
now with a win over The, rams The seahawks would
hold the. Tiebreaker Uh so it'll be easy to see
how that tie breaker comes at the end of the.
Season it depends on who you lose to and who
The rams lose, to BECAUSE i, mean obviously AN afc

(01:01:48):
loss is better for The seahawks than AN nfc loss
would be down the. Stretch BUT i, mean that's gonna,
be that's gonna be Theater man five point fifteen On,
Thursday december. Eighteenth we'll have a postgame show and hopefully
we're celebrating The sea ok team at that point that's
in first place in THE.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
Nfc.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Yeah and and you know today was a game against The.
Vikings that and that's one of those slotted, games those
those placement. Games seattle was number two team in THE Nfc.
West last, year The vikings were number. Two so The
rams have the game again as the last year's number.
One they have a game upcoming With, detroit Who seattle

(01:02:24):
does not, play of, course Because seattle was not number.
One but Here, detroit you, think, okay you, know a
month or two, ago we would have said that's gonna
be tough for The, rams or at least there's a
clear opportunity for uh for a win.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
For.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Detroit but they you, know they've kind of, slipped so
they're they're not representing the ones like we would have.
Hoped but but then The cowboys have shown they can beat,
anybody and and so then enter it's gonna get. Interesting
but those last four, games they got to fix some
of these problems on. Offense, uh they got to they
got to fix how they're going to protect the quarterback

(01:03:04):
first and. Foremost and and then you saw In jigba
when In, jigbau you, know gets shut. Down we can't
Have Sam darnold with a sixty seven passer rating and
one hundred and twenty eight passing. Yards where are, You Raschi?
Chi where are? You Eliza, Arroyo Cooper? Cup are you
going to do anything more than a than an? Omaha
like Some for For seattle to really be a formidable,

(01:03:28):
offense some targets are gonna have to step. UP i
THINK i like the competition at running back right. NOW
i still Believe Kenneth walker is your most talented. Guy
but But Zach charbonnay is uh is running right? Now
you know today like somebody you know stole his money
or at least stole his, job and they, did you,
know it's in the name Of Kenneth. Walker so SO

(01:03:48):
i think that what you're getting. There those guys look.
Healthy uh you, know the combination of the combined health
of the running backs is as good as we've seen
for a long. Time i'm you, know Not halani, Notwithstanding
i'm talking about the top two. Guys i'm not talking
about the three. Guys SO i think in that, regard
you got. Something but we got to get the targets.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Going let's hear about two minutes here Of mike McDonald
before we wrap things.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
Up here's the head coach of The seahawks after a
twenty six nothing to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Win great team.

Speaker 7 (01:04:15):
WIN i, know the defense played really. Well proud of.
Them takeaways definitely make a, huge, huge huge impact on the,
game but it really was a team. Win complimentary football
and excited to kind of get back and get to
work For.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Atlanta to celebrate a. Shutout those are pretty rare in this.

Speaker 7 (01:04:32):
League, well, yeah that's. GREAT i, mean you look at
teams that when shutouts, happen it's normally it's hard to
keep teams like out of plus. Territories so when you get,
there it's you, know taking the ball away in the red.
ZONE i, Mean DeMarcus lawrence's cause fumbles probably my new
favorite play of all, Time, like it's just an, incredible incredible.
PLAY i just saw this blur coming down and just

(01:04:55):
violently attack the. Ball it's been such a point of
emphasis and to see him do that was was really.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Great they did get, offensively it seemed like they brought
a lot.

Speaker 7 (01:05:04):
Of pressures and, yeah your offensive line maybe the times. Confused,
yeah we need to start, faster especially in terms of
protection and making sure on the same. Page so on,
paper it's it's nice to say we have it, protected
but you, know when they're doing at full, speed and
we've got to we've got to be out ahead of
plays at'll bit faster on. Offense but guys have resolves

(01:05:25):
AND i thought we Protected sam better in the second,
half and and uh and the run game helps with
all that as.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Well what do you think allowed you guys to pick
up on the protection front kind of as the game
progressed there after.

Speaker 7 (01:05:34):
HALFTIME i think everybody deserves. CREDIT i mean we, didn't you,
know we didn't like go all. Haywire you, know you
just to go back to the drawing, board get to
get the good protections that you, like get the better,
plays stay out of certain, situations get a better feel
for how they're matching. US i, mean there's kind of
all things going on, there and THEN i think players
maybe just calming down and executing them at a higher.
Level but, look you got to Give minnesota a lot

(01:05:56):
of credit. Too they had a good plan and they
called an aggressive game and they did a good job for.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
That's head Coach mike. McDonald we're gonna wrap things up
here with a final thought from, You.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
HUGH i, know IF i know there's Some seahawks fans
worried about the, OFFENSE i think they have a right
to be worried about the.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
Offense, however IF i would have told you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Back In, August seahawks fans that you'd be nine and
three after twelve games and there wouldn't be one team
in THE nfc with a better record than you one
hundred out of one hundred of you would have, taken
you would have signed up for that, Right, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Unquestionably. YEAH i mean you're you're right where you need
to be. Again On january, fourth when you're flying back
From San, francisco there's only three things that. Matter Number,
one did you win enough games to put yourself in
a good what's you're seeding are you in the. Playoffs
what's you're seating number?

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
Two are you?

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Healthy number? Three do you feel like you're peaking on
both sides of the, ball, Right and that that's really
What seattle's in my, mind what you're pointing. To you,
know we. Haven't as we talked About, DARNOLD i would
also say, this he's GOT i felt like he wasn't

(01:07:06):
comfortable operating with a yellow. Light you, know when you
go through an, intersection you know there's, green obviously you,
go you, read you stop. YELLOW i thought today he
was a little bit tentative when the light was.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
Yellow, yeah, yeah, NO i think THAT'S i think that's.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
Fair and that's something that they got to work on
and hopefully some improving the offensive, line a little bit
more run.

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
Game we'll improve all of. That, So, hugh great.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
STUFF i know you got a long night of watching
film ahead of, you and we'll listen to you on
The monday morning quarterback tomorrow and we'll have you on
it more for tomorrow afternoon with.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Me and soccer enjoying. It, Thanks, okay you, bet you
bet all?

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Right that's you breed Love millin all. Right one of
those teams in THE nfl there aren't very many that
have better records than The. Seahawks in, fact there's only,
two the ten and Two New England patriots.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
And the nine and Two Denver.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
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