12th Man Postgame Show 12-18: Seahawks Make Improbable Comeback Against Rams

Dick Fain and Hugh Millen discuss the thrilling Seahawks 38-37 OT win over the Rams at Lumen Field.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Welcome to a very very happy Jimmy's on first packed
house here at nine thirteen on a Thursday night, where
we just witnessed one of the most improbable Seahawk victories
in this stadium's history. I've been to just about all

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of them, and I would say, other than the NFC
Championship game in January of twenty fifteen, this was probably
the most improbable victory in Seattle Seahawks lumen field history.
Unbelievable come back by Seattle.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
Deck fane with you. It is the twelfth Man Postgame Show.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
We are here thanks to Mike Benton and the Seattle
Kraken for taking us to this point. As the Seahawks
have grabbed sole possession of the first seed in the NFC.
They have grabbed sole possession of first place in the
NFC West with a thirty eight to thirty seven win
over the La Rams. And it seemed just like, I

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don't know, it seemed like fifteen minutes ago, we were
down thirty to fourteen and absolutely just getting our butt
kicked by the La Rams.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
In this football game.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
And somehow, some way, the Seahawks come back with a
touchdown to make it thirty to twenty two, with just
a bizarre two point conversion, another touchdown, another two point conversion,
The Seahawks give up a touchdown in overtime, they're down
thirty seven to thirty, and they go nine plays, sixty

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five yards three in three minutes and fourteen seconds for
the victory thirty eight to thirty seven.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
If you want to join us, hey, give us a call.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
We usually don't take a ton of calls on this,
but you want to call us on this one.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
What are you feeling? Positive? Negative? You can give us
a call, Hugh, and.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
I'll talk to you two eight six nine five nine
five and one h two nine zero nine to five. There, Travis,
I'm sorry I missed you. It's too loud in here.
What you are right, we use on great, let's bring
you on right now.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
I mean, Hugh Millin.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Sorry if my voice is cracking, sorry if I sound
like a thirteen year old boy right now, Hugh. But
that place tonight, Hugh, I just gotta tell you it was.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
It was old school.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
It was two thousand and five, it was twenty thirteen
and fourteen. The fans were there early, They were loud,
they were liquored up.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
There was a lot.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
Going on in that stadium night, and they saw not
necessarily a classic performance by the Seattle Seahawks, but Hugh,
they saw a classic win by the Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
Well, everybody's apparently happy, uh, I mean happy, happy, just
unbelievable thrill. I've lost my voice as well. It's almost
indescribable to think of all the turns in this game.
And you know, the over under for this game was
forty two and a half.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Oh my god, Hugh, I thought the I thought the
winning score was going to be twenty or twenty one.
I thought this was gonna be a low scoring, conservative,
bad weather, run the ball, punt the ball game. And
it was anything other than that.

Speaker 5 (04:09):
If I had told you the Rams will score thirty
seven tonight, but the Seahawks will win.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Nobody, nobody would even hear.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
About them that you're insane.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
Yeah, And and I just gotta say, you know, for
Sam Darnold's top of mind for me, because I can't
even tell you there was a point where I had
like forty seven texts from just all kinds of different threads,
everybody from kil Corner's Hill, Seaawk Nation, Uh, just unloading

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on this guy.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
And I look, don't don't take my word for it
for me playing.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
Just take my word for it for having been around
John Elway, Dan marine O, Troy Aikman, three.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Other Pro Bowl quarterbacks.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
The the difficulty he had to battle through to somehow
come and make those plays in fourth quarter and and
in overtime, those drives, you know, one play with the
game on the line, with the two point. I mean,
the way he earned his teammates respect. This was a

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seminal night for him in his career. Not because it
was exquisite for five quarters, but because of how deep
he had to dig to show the metal when everybody
is down on him, and and the booing and and
maybe teammates giving him stink eye. Oh my god, these
two horrific interceptions. For him to be able to do

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what he did under those type of lights, just wow,
just wow. Go ahead, Sam Darnold, what a hell of
a finish to night. Yeah, a hell of a night,
but what a hell of a finish.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
Take me through the finish, Take me through.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
What impressed you about the Seahawks quarterback down the stretch
in overtime? And also, you know, let we can even
go back to the two touchdowns in the fourth quarter
to get them to this point, or the two or
the one touchdown the fourth quarter to get them tied,
and then the touchdown to win the game and the
two point conversion. What impressed you about Sam Darnold down

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the stretch.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Well, he had some gutty throws over the middle of
the field and and you know, on Jackson Smith and
Jig Banna on a hammer concept he had he had
a several several throws where he had to throw into
a window. And if you're wrong on that.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
Those are going to be picks. But you know, in
the fourth court, or let's just go to the overtime.
How about the corner route that he threw to Cooper Cup,
you know, just up and over the defense. How about
the touch down in the back to the end zone,
the anticipation to in jigba.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
How about the the two point play.

Speaker 5 (07:07):
Where you got a tight end block block, block, just
and then releasing and then him having the poise, the
knowledge and you know, to just be able to say, hey,
the line is protecting from me. I'll get to my
fifth receiver in the progression for the game winner.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I mean everything. Think of all the drama and how
much fun that night was. You don't convert that two
point conversion.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
Everybody's saying all the things that he did wrong, yes
to not win the game, and and so I just yeah, yeah, there's.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
Let's talk about this.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Let's talk about the two point conversion. Let's talk about
two facets of the two point conversion.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
One, the decision to go for.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
The two point conversion was still three in change left
to go in the game. And then also the decision
to pass the ball on the two point conversion because
here I'm I'm with my I'm with my brother in law,
I'm with my nephews, and I'm like, hey, spread them
out and run the ball with Zach Charbonnay because he's
been getting consistently they've been getting three or four yards

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on that run. That's what I wanted to see, and
yet they threw the ball. So talk about the decision.
Whether you like the decision to go for two and
whether you like the play call on the two point conversion.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
I thought the decision was no brainer.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
As far as the tiebreaker, you're out there to win
the NFC West. You know there is a circumstance where
you would play to a tie in week eighteen, right
when when you know exactly what you need, but there's.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Still too much football left to be played.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
You don't want to put yourself behind the rams in
this regardless with a shootout for the NFC West. And
you know, if you go for the pat there and
you tie, then you've already used a timeout, so you
only have one time out left the chance that you're
going to get the ball to get the stop, get
the ball, go down, kick the field goal to win.

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I just think that that's that's less than the odds
of one play.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
From the three yard line. And uh, you know it was.
It was I'll tell you what it was.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
It was just the the nuances of the uh of
the play where you've got a backup tight end. Uh,
who is going to in Salbert who he's lined up
on the left to help Josh Jones. And they've been
doing that all night, right to have the tight end
because you got a backup left tackle, and so for

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him to have initially blocked that, that didn't strike the
Rams as as out of the ordinary, So the progression
doesn't materialize in zone coverage. And then Salbert just after
after blocking, uh pass blocking on the left side, he
had a late release right over the ball, and you

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know that's that was just murder on his own defense.
And and uh uh, you know Clint Coopiac he had
a few plays there and he called the right one
and you know that. But yeah, that was you know,
to get a guy that wide open, that's you got
a credit coaching. But Donald had to have the poison

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credit the line there. There was some some very brutal
pass protection and some critical situations for it down.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
With Donald taking sacks. But on that play he.

Speaker 5 (10:29):
Had a lot of time, he had a nice clean
pocket and he got to his last receiver in the progression.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
When we are familiar with teams like we are with
the Seahawks and the Rams, I mean this isn't a
team that we've never seen.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
I mean, we were very familiar with the Rams, We're
very familiar.

Speaker 6 (10:43):
With the Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
If you just told me at the beginning of his game, Hey,
Sam Donald's gonna throw two picks, one of them returned
almost for a touchdown, another one in the red zone,
Cooper Cup's gonna fumble on the five yard line going in,
and Matthew Stafford's gonna throw for four hundred and.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
Fifty seven yards and three touchdowns.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
What's the score, fan, I'd have been like, I don't know,
thirty seven to ten.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
But yet that's what happened.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
That's what happened in this game, and the Seahawks won
the football game. Big picture, Why did the Seahawks win
the football game despite all the things that we thought
had to happen didn't happen for the Seaions.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
Well, first of all, red zone in the first half,
you know, you force some field goals where you really
were hammrhagering, you were leaking oil. Defensively, there's a lot
to discuss about the defense and their woes. I mean,
the Los Angeles Rams, they held up a mirror for
sixty eight minutes or sixty seven minutes. And there's a

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lot of things that the Seahawks are not gonna like,
but they are gonna like, this is professional football, and
you play against the prisone the best team in the NFL,
if there was a P rankings, if there was CFP rankings,
the Rams are number one, yes, yes, and and you
gotta be damn good to beat them when they know

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that they have to be on the top of the
game to beat you. And so like it's never it's
not gonna be a picasso, you know, it's that there's
gonna be some ugly parts of that game because that's
professional football. A lot of things, you know, the the
pass protection for for uh, for Matthew Stafford was just ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
There was just a nice clean cup.

Speaker 5 (12:35):
The whole night, the whole and I even have now
now d Law made a few plays, but as a
general rule, it's like, is a defensive end gonna come
off the edge and do anything?

Speaker 3 (12:48):
You know, I made I made, I made a note
I said basically, the first pressure I saw was with
seven eighteen left to go in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
Why was the front four not able to any pressure
on this?

Speaker 5 (13:01):
You know what the Rams have a good offensive line
and they you know what they protect. They communicate really
well in an environment that should be difficult to communicate. Yeah,
there's a couple of times where you had free runners.
There was Emon Warry was a free runner, and Witherspoon
was a free runner. I'm not sure there was wasn't anymore.
We'll say there's a there's one that I forgot or missed.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
There was about three times where and how many times
did he throw.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Or forty nine times?

Speaker 5 (13:32):
Forty nine dropbacks? They Seattle probably produced three plays or
less with with free runners from their blitzes, and then
when they rush forward there was almost there was you know,
ten percent of the time they did anything of consequence.
I mean, Stafford didn't get sacked in forty nine attempts.

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There was only four quarterback hits on him in forty
nine attempt So.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, there's a lot of things.

Speaker 5 (14:02):
I'm there, but you know, I'm I mean, there's the
Rasik Shaheed punt return. Ye, I mean, it's it's starting
to add up, like, Okay, this was worth the fourth
and the fifth und pick.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
You know, Hugh that, Hugh, I'm just telling you, as
a guy sitting in the stands and you probably felt
a watch on TV the Rashid Shaheed punt return changed
the entire football game.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Of course I did. But you're down sixteen that you're
down sixteen.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Four, Yes, like the fans went to like from like
we're done, we're getting our ass kicked to like, oh
my god, we're one score away from tying this game.

Speaker 5 (14:40):
And did you notice that the Rams kicked into the
end zone every time?

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (14:46):
And I couldn't figure they were just because we were
so afraid of Shaheed.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
They were giving us the third yard line presumably.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
I mean, I'll have to go back and look, you
know how often do they do that? But uh, I mean,
you know, look how many times on kickoff Seattle's drive
start these are all how ball and obtain kickoff, so
Seattle thirty five thirty five, thirty five, thirty five, thirty five,
thirty five, thirty five, every.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Single one of those kickoffs.

Speaker 5 (15:17):
So so Rasitt Shaheed put a stamp on this game.
In the in the in the in the special teams arena,
that is you know, incoupable. I mean you could you
could pretty much say no receist, jaheat, no win in
this no, you know, and if you win the division title,
you could say that that you know.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Well, I mean think about how how important field position is,
because like I didn't think that the offense tonight was
I mean, it was better than it was against the Colt's,
no question, but it wasn't like massively better. But the
difference was we were starting at the thirty five instead
of the eighteen. Every single drive, Like, what did you
say our average field position start was last week?

Speaker 4 (15:55):
It was like inside the twenty.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
Yeah, it was, well, if you don't count the interception
last week, Okay, there was ten drives per team, the
Colts and the Seahawks. And I'm going this really fast
because I know they played the Rams to night. I
just want to underscore the difference. So the Seahawks started
on their twenty it was twenty point two. Let's rounded
down to twenty. The Colts started on their thirty five.

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So that's a fifteen yard difference. But multiply that by ten,
that's one hundred and fifty yards. Seahawks only had a
ninety nine yard advantage in yards, they had one hundred
and fifty yard deficit and kickoffs. Now tonight, you flip it.
The Seahawks average starting was the thirty four yard line.
The Rams starting average started on their twenty seven, but

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that was that's over over thirteen so you got a
seven yard difference, but that's over thirteen different drives. So
you know you're pushing over one hundred yards in difference
just in in field position in special.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Teams, and that's not outing the contribution from the punt.

Speaker 5 (17:02):
And this was a team you know, it's funny when
they played back five weeks ago, I stumbled on this
statistical anomaly. I mentioned it at some point in one
of the previous I said, the Seahawks are number one
in special teams EPA and the Rams are thirty two.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
That's got to play out. This is me talking before
the game in LA and it didn't.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
It didn't that game, but it did tonight.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
But no, they were like they they had the specially
because their punted put the ball on the sixth centimeter
line with the game on the line. But tonight the
ep Now Seattle's falling to third going into this game,
but you still had the Rams at thirtieth, so you
had you still had a decided special team's advantage going
into this.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
And look at how this played out.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
So you know, to be able to start your every
single kickoff from the thirty five. Uh that the worst
the worst start position they had was on the fifteen. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
I mean, what's what's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Three inside their own ten last week?

Speaker 4 (18:04):
I mean these two games against the Rams, I mean
the Seahawks. You go back in the first game against the.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Rams, the Seahawks dominated the stat sheet against the Rams
and lost. And the Rams tonight dominated the statue and lost.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Let's they put five eighty one up eighty one. If
you're just getting in.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
Your car the Rams, it's over over time.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Now, let's let's talk about Let's talk about the Seahawks defense.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Because the good and.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
The bad, right, So the good the Rams carried the
ball thirty nine times for one hundred and twenty four yards,
that is three point two yards per carry. The Seahawks
defense did not allow any gashes in the run game whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
I don't know if I agree with that.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
Okay, okay, because because there there's a play called duo,
which is when they get into three three technique, the
three tight ends. And so there's some football coaches that
are listening right now and they're not in there go yep.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
And the rams.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
I can't I'm gonna tally for tomorrow morning how many
duos they were just running.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
It looks it looks like just a blast right at
the middle.

Speaker 5 (19:10):
The duo is the is the double team on the
strong side on the tight end side, and and that
ordinarily is accompanied with a backside pulling guard in either
a power or counter and that's called gap scheme.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Blocking duo is basically power without a puller.

Speaker 5 (19:27):
Okay, and they but but but you run it to
the tight end side, the two tight endside, and in
this case the three tight inside side, and the tight
ends can get they can get real nasty at the
second level, blocking in on safeties, even linebackers and what
have you. And so so they were just running duo
and they were getting in the first half, they were
getting a lot of yards. Now, Seattle did a better job.

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They they've played a bear front on a couple ocasions
an odd with a five man front. They had the
Kobe Bryant coming down and feeling faster. They were doing
more laterals, scraping sideways. So they still got they they
they they literally were gonna bleed to death on duo
in the first half they they did.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
They made an adjustment.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
They were better against that play in the second half,
but they were still were not good.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
What they what do they do to make it from
terrible to okay?

Speaker 2 (20:21):
That's what I just told you.

Speaker 5 (20:22):
They they they had they they played some bear front,
which is uh uh three three defensive linemen on the
in the middle and then two linebackers, so it's a
five man front. So they got a little heavier there.
They brought Kobe Bryant down and and you know, he
triggered fast and uh and got the safety involved in
the run support. They did more uh uh scraping at

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the defensive line level. Instead of just lining up in
your gap and going into your gap, they were scraping sideways.
The linebackers were scraping the opposite way, so they got
some more movement and and to me at halftime, I'm
I'm like, if a play is called, there's a term
called havoc havoc play. Havoc play is described as this
on defense, a sack, a batted pass, a tackle, excuse me,

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a tackle for loss, force fumble. I might be missing
one another, but yeah, interception. Yes, Seattle did not have
a havoc play. On defense. I'm ninety sure I'm right
on this. They did not have a single havoc play
until the last play of the first half when Leonard
Williams stuff that that play up the middle, which I

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think was duo and it was a tackle for loss.
I think that was the first havoc play they had
on defense.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
I mean, they're used to having eighteen a game.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
They didn't have one until the last play, which, for
all tents and purposes, that was the Rams taking a knee.
So I'm like, Mike McDonald, what are you going to
produce a havoc some habit and and still I think
they were deficient. I mean, good god, I mean Mike
McDonald is is he's gonna celebrate like hell and and uh,

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you know whatever, whatever his drink of choices, beer wine, whatever,
he's gonna But.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
It felt like he got his asking yea McVay all night.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
But no, what I think I think he's gonna have
two two to celebrate for fun, and I think the
third one is gonna be to just try and wipe away.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
The memory of what his defense.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Okay, yes, let's let's let's talk about the past d
because it seemed like the middle of the field was
wide open all night long. What was going on in
the middle of the Seahawks defense.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
They I, okay, first of all, very poor, poor pass rush.
They were getting beat.

Speaker 5 (22:53):
And in a three deep with a corner, was allowing
in breaking routes. And they were generally from a squeeze formation.
But that's no surprise.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
We know that that McVeigh likes to major in squeeze formations,
meaning reduced close to the ball.

Speaker 5 (23:09):
They were hitting it against three d They on the
Kobe Bryant on the touchdown, you know, they they nodded
inside and and I don't know, this was.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
A really poor night for covering.

Speaker 5 (23:19):
I mean, it was clear the Rams were going over
after Josh Joe, no question that was a game plan
for them. We're going after twenty nine. You didn't see
a lot going after twenty one. There's a busted coverage
on that on a very critical second half, that post
where Kobe Bryant. Things were so discombobulated it's it's hard

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to even tell what they were supposed to be in.
But I could say with about eighty to ninety certainty
or more that that Kobe Bryant blew that you remember
the post route on third and nine.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
I believe it was in the third quarter, but.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
Yeah, no, that was I'll just say this, I'm gonna
look at that tape real close. But I know tonight
there is no way, let me repeat, no fing way,
any receiver should ever drop a two twenty five burger
on you, if you are even remotely considered yourself a

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decent defense. What happened with number twelve Nakoola out there?
For if you and for those of then'm have seen
the stats target sixteen times, twelve catches, two hundred and
twenty five yards, two touchdowns like that is inexcusable that
that should never ever happen. I don't care if you

(24:43):
run a computer simulation against a Mike McDonald, I don't
care if you play for a thousand years.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
You should never give up two.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Hundred and twenty five yards to a single receiver, particularly
when you consider that DeVante Adams, Yes, that isn't in
the game.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
There's nobody else to throw to going.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Into the game.

Speaker 5 (25:01):
Ye had Nikua had one hundred and two catches? You had,
you had DeVante Adams had what was it was a
sixty I've had I got so many numbers of six,
closest guy was yeah, the next close guy was the seventeen.
But uh, you know, I'm I'm I feel a little
voice in my head saying, uh, we can, we can,

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we can.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Bag on the defense a little bit.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
But but you know what, I think the overwhelming deal
is just like jubilation, jubilation that somehow this football game
was won.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
Yes, that somehow, somehow.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
Like like whatever that team had to do to be resilient,
to encourage each other to to to to.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Make play after play after play.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
That was terrible on both sides of the ball. Just like,
but you know what, that's what a heavyweight fight is.
That was the number one against the number two team.
It didn't just the way I already expected.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
Did you feel like that?

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Do you feel like that was the number one and the
number two team in the NFL going at it right now?

Speaker 5 (26:06):
I don't think Seattle. I don't think Seattle played like it.
But I think it's the mark of a team that
if Seattle, wait a minute, if Seattle won that game
with their B game, you know, in a lot of ways,
their C game their game, I mean they almost you know,

(26:27):
Myers is capable of hitting a sixty foot or in
so far like there was you know, your sixty yard
field goal away from having beat them with your C
game from your you know, your your your DF game
from your quarterback a month ago, and now you you
you find a way to win the game with your

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C game. So you can either say, oh, that sea
game is really nasty.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
On the eyes. I you know, I got I got
stark glass in my vice. Please how that hurts?

Speaker 5 (27:02):
You can think of it that way, or you can think,
holy cow, the Seahawks are good enough with their freaking
sea game to beat the number one team in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Which is what the Rams could have said the first
game against the Seahawks, that the Rams beat the Seahawks
even though they played probably their sea game and the Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
The Rams played the game and the first game.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
In the first in the first meeting, the Seahawks dominated
the statistics the staff sheet, and the Rams probably played
a bus C plus and still won the game, but
because they got dominated statistically, But the Seahawks did it tonight.
And it's just yeah, man, you know, from an entertainment

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value aspect, here, off game was off the chain.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
It was.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
It was one of the greatest most entertaining games. It
was a stupid game, it was an idiotic game, but
it was one of the most entertaining games I've ever
seen in that stadium, and I've been to almost every
single one of them since they built it twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, that's that's absolutely true. I mean, and it was
so unlikely.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
I guess somebody's saying that the analytics had the Seahawks
with a three percent chance to win it at one point.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
I'll check that when.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
You're down sixteen in the fourth quarter. Yeah, Oh by
the way, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Ninety eight point ninety eight point five percent when it
was thirty, when it was thirty to fourteen, ninety eight
point five percent when it's thirty seven thirty with six
minutes left in overtime, was ninety one to nine percent.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
But yes, because ninety eight point five to one point five.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
I went to the very first seaok game in existence
against the Cardinals in the KA Tonight is the first
time ever that the Seahawks overcame a fifteen point or
more deficit in the fourth quarter in their entire history.
That's it.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
I think the number was.

Speaker 5 (29:03):
They were one hundred and zero and one seventy two
in the Rams when up by fifteen or more in
the fourth quarter, they were like two hundred.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
And thirty or something to one. For those who saw
it in the in the broadcast.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
Uh, you know, please text us or let us know
so we can get the absolute right numbers. But I'm
pretty close to them. I'm hovering over the correct number.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
You got me.

Speaker 5 (29:28):
Seattle had never done it before, and the Rams had
only lost. This is only the second time in Rams history.
Rams go back to what Cleveland before they moved down.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
They're doing, yes, right, I think we're.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
At Rams Cleveland and they're la than Saint Louis and Lewis.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
Well, this is only the second time in their history
that they lost a game.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
So ed of it.

Speaker 5 (29:51):
We saw in that sense, what we're talking about is
we saw something historic. We saw something so so like
oddly in entertaining, oddly entertaining, oddly entertaining.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
That Oh man, I'm just I'm I'm.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
God, and I think let's let you know what, let's
take a time out, let's come back.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
We'll talk about Kenna Walker in the Running Game.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
I mean, this whole bar is just there's just this
buzz of just like, oh my god, like this whole
bar just feels like everybody's like we just stole one
from the team that probably should be the number one
seed in the NFC, and now we might be the
number one seed in the NFC.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
We'll come back.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Second segment of the twelve Man Postgame Show, Dick Fan,
Hugh Breathing, Hugh Breed Love millin with you after a
I mean improbable doesn't even it doesn't even tell the story.
Win by the Seahawks thirty eight thirty seven in overtime
over the Rams. We'll be back next on ninety three
point three KJRFM.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
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Speaker 2 (31:06):
Man and the NFL.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Seattle's Sports Radio nine fifty KJR. Now back to the
twelfth Man postgame Show, the Seattle Seahawks on your Home
for the twelfth Man. Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
There is no part of me about two hours ago.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
That thought I would be sitting here at Jimmy's on First.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
In my nice little cozy corner that I've been sitting
in for the last twenty years. Saying that the Seattle
Seahawks beat the La Rams tonight. There's no part of
me that thought that was going to happen. Dick Faine
with you, it's a twelve man post game show. I
apologize for my voice, but I was trying to be
at twelve today and I tell you what, the twelve

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showed up.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
The twelve showed up big time tonight at lumin Field.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
I appreciated the Seahawks, appreciated Hugh breed Love Millan is
with us. Let's quickly go to the phones and we'll
get back to Hugh breaking down. We got to talk
about Sam's interceptions. We got to talk about Kenneth Walker's
night tonight over one hundred yards against the Rams. Let's
go to Robert and Isakuah. Thanks for joining us on
the postgame show.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
What's going on?

Speaker 7 (32:23):
Robert, Hey, mister Finus, always a legend to talk to you,
And mister Hugh Millan. I just gotta say what was
surprising for me in this game?

Speaker 8 (32:35):
How bad the Seahawks were.

Speaker 7 (32:38):
Not communicating on the defense. But then when that Rashid.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
It's a tough word, yeah, yes, when he got that
you know, touchdown, it's like Damn we clicked.

Speaker 8 (32:58):
Everything was communicating.

Speaker 7 (33:00):
It was like, this is a Seahawks that I've been
hearing and seeing, and then all of a sudden, we
were not finishing with field goals. We were finishing with touchdowns. Yeah,
you know, I don't know how close we are to
being an elite.

Speaker 6 (33:14):
Super Bowl team or not.

Speaker 7 (33:16):
I shouldn't say super Bowl a playoff team, but we
are very close to being a very dominant defensive team
that will help us.

Speaker 8 (33:26):
Not so good to be.

Speaker 6 (33:28):
Thank you for taking my call.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Yeah, I appreciate it. That's that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
You I mean, they they got touchdowns tonight. They got nothing.
They got zero touchdowns four days ago in this building
and won a football game.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
But they got touchdowns tonight.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
Well did we say, did color say something about a not.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
So good, not so good quarterback? Yes, that's what he said.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Well, I don't agree with that.

Speaker 5 (33:54):
I do not believe that Sam Donald is a I
agree with a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
I think.

Speaker 5 (34:01):
Look, nobody can say that he hasn't won a big
game in the NFL now because if they say that,
that if they want to use a regular season game
late in the season to say, you know, and ignore
the Green Bay game last year when he had three
inner seventy seven yards and they just want to pin
the Viking game on and the Ram game on him.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Then guess what we can the millstone is off his neck.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
Yeah, you want to forget this one, right, Let's not
forget this one.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
When we talk about you say I'm not winning big games,
Let's not forget this one.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
And if you're going to say, well, you didn't, he
doesn't get to win because he had two interceptions.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
The offense scored thirty points, right, and thirty two points.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
Thirty two points for the.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
Offense, and and so then then we're going to peel
away every big game any quarterback ever had with two interceptions,
including Joe Montana in the throwing to Dwight Clark right
the catch.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yep, everybody knows that one, right.

Speaker 5 (35:00):
Sure Montana had two interceptions in that game and no
touchdowns when he went under center before he threw that. So, so,
so I hope nobody's gonna try and take this away.
We can stop saying that Sam Donald has never won
a big game.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
I mean, I agree with you. I mean I I
think we could have stopped before tonight and say.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Agree with that totally because yes.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
With the Seahawks, we can stop saying that Sam Donald
has not won a big game with the Seattle Seahawks,
no question about it. James and Tacoma. Thanks for hanging on.
What's going on? James?

Speaker 8 (35:33):
Yes I do. Security at Lowinsfield is something funny happened
tonight where Chemis are going to get the stacks are
down like sixteen and so fast started leaving the stadium. Well,
so's the guy hit that turn touchdown. Also, those fans
wanted back into the stadium.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Security.

Speaker 8 (35:50):
Sorry, sorry, once the game is done, it's done. You
cannot come back in.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Will you lose?

Speaker 8 (35:57):
Quite funny. They were rare upset they could I see
the end of the game.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah, I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
Appreciated James. You was like it was like the ray
Allen three for the Miami Heat against the Spurs.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Man.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Remember when ray Allen hit the three and they shot
and they showed the fans outside the stadium in Miami
and they were beating on.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
The glass to try to get back in.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
Hey, sorry, man, you leave the game when your team
is down. That's on you. That's not on anybody else.
But yeah, just a just a fantastic come back, gritty,
and just you know.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Normally I'm an I'm an uber optimist, and I always
think that my team can win the game.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
But you know, I gotta admit I didn't.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
There's no part of me that thought this team was
going to win just because of what I was watching.
And what I was watching was utter domination by one
side over the other side. That was what That's what
got me. And I kept looking at the scoreboard. I
was like, God, how are we only down this many?
How are we only down that may like we should
be down by thirty right now based upon what my

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eyes are watching play after play on the football field.
But they weren't down thirty. They were always close enough
to come back.

Speaker 5 (37:15):
Yeah, And and look they played good red zone defense
and then they clutched up.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
There's always something, right, if you find a win, you.

Speaker 5 (37:25):
Can always say, well, maybe we we lost the.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yards the total yards battle.

Speaker 5 (37:32):
You know, it's five eighty one to four fifteen, right,
so what's that a hot So one hundred and sixty
six yards? So yep, right, you lost, but you're gonna
find some some other battle that you won.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
We already talked about the special teams, right.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
And you know you won won the uh you won
the clutch battle when you had to have the place.
So yeah, no, I'm I'm I'm just kind of scouring
through here.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Trying to find ething that that the Seahawks.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
You know, they're okay, there are two for three in
the red zone there sixty seven percent, the rams were
fifty percent.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
You know, there's there's stuff in there.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Let's let's talk about the Sam Darnold picks. If the
first pick came at the six forty four mark in
the third quarter, it was at that point it was
sixteen fourteen, so it was a it was a close game,
and he was looking for Rashid Shaheed. He was picked

(38:38):
off and it was almost returning for a touchdown. So
what what happened on that play?

Speaker 5 (38:44):
Well, it was a double slant to the outside. The
Seahawks were in a trip's left formation with the tight end,
but the two.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Wide receivers outside. Uh, we call it diesel.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
It's a double slant. That's a word conjunction, Okay. So
I read on of my my notes black diesel. Black
means the second letter is an L, so it's the left.
Brown would have been to the right, So black diesel
double slant. What's the covers that I write down? Cover two,
very very basic, but right, which is two deep five

(39:15):
under zone. So I'm gonna get to the wrinkle in
a minute. How do you I talked this stuff in
high school. You have to read the number two defender,
the number two if the if the number number two defender,
you can't count outside in not counting the safety. So
the corner in a cover two, the cornerback, he's the

(39:35):
number one defender. Whether it's the nickel, whether it's a linebacker,
doesn't matter. The next guy in counting from the sideline
in is the.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Number two defender.

Speaker 5 (39:44):
If you're gonna you're gonna throw double slant the diesel
that I'm talking about, If you're gonna throw to the
wide number one, the widest guy, and he's throwing to
the wide, then you have to make sure the number
two defender doesn't get out in front of it. That
is what we called the converging defender. The receiver's coming
into to that defender. It's much easier to see for

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a quarterback to see the trailing defender. The trailing defenders
is the number one defender. He's the cornerback. He's the
guy closest to the sideline. The receiver is going from
outside to inside. In your vision, he's going into the
number two defender. And if you think that it's man
to man pre snap, which is what they showed, they

(40:28):
showed a one high and then post snap they go
to a two high.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
The receiver. Excuse me.

Speaker 5 (40:33):
The defender in the post before the ball was snapped
was buzzing out to the left to Sam Darnald's left,
and then there was another defender who had been down
in close and he buzzed out to the half on
the right. But when you take a picture of when
Donald's throwing, it's two deep five hunderd got to know
the number two defender, it's it's pretty elementary. Now, it

(40:56):
wasn't elementary because of the disguise. But if if if
I showed you the mistake, I guarantee you Sam Donald
was running variations of that play at San Comini High
School in Orange County, I guarantee you. Okay, the second one,
Mike Holmgan would call it dragon.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Second, Dragon, PI. You're talking about the second pick. Yeah, yeah,
And let me let me just set the scene on the.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Second Please okay, sorry.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
The Seahawks had it was they were down thirty to fourteen.
The Seahawks had a really nice drive going eight plays
fifty nine yards. They got all the way down to
the Rams six yard line, and it looked like, okay,
you punch it in here, you get a two point conversion.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
You're only down eight.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
And this was the low point of the night for
the fans at the stadium and obviously the fans watching,
and it was Donald intercepted like right over the middle.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
It's just like he.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
Didn't even see this big dude right just sitting in
the middle at the goal line to intercept the pass.
And at that point the game felt like it would
it was over. How did Sam not see that big
dude just sitting right there on the goal line.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
Well, I guarantee it was a lot easier to see
from your perch in ther ovewl than it is when
you're down round level behind all the visual chat. Nowt
it's it was an empty right. So there's three receivers
to Donald's right.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
It was left.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
You had what's called dragon and the Dragon is the
widest receiver in jigba. He's running a slant Cooper cup
who's in the slot. He's just running an arrow route,
just you know, quick, quick.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
To the flat. And it was cover zero looks like
min and man.

Speaker 5 (42:46):
And this is something that very similar to how Mike
McDonald foolgarn Rogers last season when Leonard Williams had a
ninety ninety five yard interception return.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
It's a it's a it's uh.

Speaker 5 (42:59):
It's called a rat pop and drop rat by some people.
Rat is when a defensive lineman goes into the low
hole player. Some people say robber is when a secondary
player comes down because and gets into We'll just say
it's like that up the linebacker. Okay, So robber is
if a safety comes down to be an inside linebacker.

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Lurk is if a a linebacker who stays in that
position the low and then rat is when a defensive
lineman drops out to be in that position. And look,
it can be hard and if you don't have a
good protection and your vision gets blocked.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
You see what you see is cover zero. You see safe.

Speaker 5 (43:44):
You see that that's a man and man and the
and the dragon concept that he has to his left.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Again, that'd be Mike Holmgan's terminology.

Speaker 5 (43:52):
That is a man beater you know the the the
dragon beater that I disguise as is a too high beater.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
U not dragon, the diesel diesel, Diesel Diesel. That's a
two high beater.

Speaker 5 (44:05):
This this dragon is a man beater or a one
high beater. But it's Manda Man and it's man of Man.
So he's going, Okay, I got my slant. But the
defensive lineman, he takes a couple of steps, he drops
back out in a rat.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
He becomes a low hole player.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
And obviously, you know, Sam Donald didn't see him period
into story, he did not see him. All you can
say is it can happen to anybody, but you got
to make sure it doesn't happen.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Gotcha, got And yeah, So we're gonna talk about ken
Walker in just a minute, but before we do that,
let's hear from the coach Mike McDonald, who, let's face it,
I mean, for a long for a big portion of
that game looked like he was getting his butt whooped
by his rival Sean McVay. But he came out victorious

(44:56):
thirty eight to thirty seven.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
Let's get to Mike McDonald right now.

Speaker 9 (45:02):
All right, Holy smokes, what a great football game. I mean,
first of all, an incredibly electric atmosphere. I mean just
an all time great atmosphere showing.

Speaker 6 (45:14):
By our twelves.

Speaker 9 (45:15):
I mean, shout out to all our people and you
know for the Seahawks too, I mean all the lights
and the all that.

Speaker 6 (45:21):
Man, it's just an electric atmosphere.

Speaker 9 (45:23):
And then you know, with all the adversity we're dealing
with throughout the game, they didn't leave us. Not a seat,
you know, not a seat was empty, you know, given
all the circumstances, and they stuck with us and our
team could feel it and it was awesome.

Speaker 6 (45:36):
I mean, what what is it?

Speaker 9 (45:38):
And just talking about our football team and just I'm
just so proud of our group. I mean, this is
who we are, you know. It was just we set
out to just show that, you know, to prove to
ourselves who we were as a team. Obviously, there's a
lot that did not go our way today, both good
job by the Rams, some of the stuff that we
got to obviously clean up on our end. I mean,
there's the list goes on and on. But I'll tell

(45:58):
you what, like the resilient see is the relentlessness is there.
The character of this team is there, and they have
each other's backs, all three phases. I mean, it's all
all that stuff we've been talking about since we walked
in the door is real and they've earned that. So
just really really really proud of our group, really really proud.

Speaker 6 (46:16):
Of our group.

Speaker 9 (46:16):
Just just really really proud. So we're gonna enjoy the
heck out of this one and get some rest this
weekend and get back at it.

Speaker 6 (46:26):
So yeah, just really proud of our group.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Decision to go into it over time.

Speaker 6 (46:32):
Well, it's something we had talked about.

Speaker 9 (46:35):
Really throughout the season and then really particularly for this
game because of the playoff situation. You know, you play
for the tie and you know, make the.

Speaker 6 (46:44):
Lock up of playoffs.

Speaker 9 (46:45):
See. But I just felt like I just felt great
about our play and I trusted our guys and to
clinch credit to he was really confident and and then
the players ultimately make it happen. So once we got
that drive going, it was pretty clear on what we're
gonna do.

Speaker 5 (47:03):
Thought given the circumstances that they in that situation, you
wouldn't just kick that.

Speaker 6 (47:07):
I mean, it was an option, but it was.

Speaker 9 (47:10):
Like starting that drive thinking about how we're gonna handle that.

Speaker 6 (47:14):
My mate up that is our decision how we're gonna
handle it.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Ask to pinpoint somebody, can you say, why is there
a common wise how.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
You came back in sixteen down with seven minutes? Is
there a fact that you mentioned the resiliency path?

Speaker 9 (47:28):
Those guys in there, they that they decided that they're gonna.

Speaker 6 (47:34):
Play a certain way and be the team that they.

Speaker 9 (47:36):
Talk about, and they back it up every day, every day,
no matter the circumstance.

Speaker 6 (47:40):
They do it. I mean, defensively, we're down, guys.

Speaker 9 (47:43):
You know, they're moving the ball up and down the field,
and you know we're coming up red zone stops and
making adjustments and fighting our tails off and then punt
our power turn team makes a huge play.

Speaker 6 (47:53):
Offense pick starts picking me. It's just that's who they are.
It's the players.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
I mean, he's not a.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
Guy that gets the ball up, but I know, I
mean want to seem for him that moment at the end.

Speaker 9 (48:02):
He's I think I quote me on this, but I'm
pretty sure he's like fourth in the progression on that play.

Speaker 6 (48:08):
And so our offensive line does.

Speaker 9 (48:10):
Man, that's a that's a tough front to block, and
Sam being able to extend the play and and and
trust his reads and trust his progressions and just a
just a phenomenal play man. It's a pretty pretty good
feeling when he caught it. Incredible pick every loose ball,
just simple anything quite like that.

Speaker 6 (48:29):
I have not the ball's going backwards. What was the
process on that for deciding to actually have the replay?

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Were asking for the replay and realizing that maybe it
was a lateral?

Speaker 9 (48:42):
Well, it's just to my knowledge, everything's reviewable on a
two points.

Speaker 6 (48:45):
So at what point did you realize your staff realized
that was that was played because you got a kick?

Speaker 9 (48:53):
Yeah, honestly, they just they said they were looking at it,
and then so then we started.

Speaker 6 (48:57):
To look at whether it was a backward and we didn't.
We didn't notice it in real time.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Katalk Just as he's talking about that play, Hugh, the
two point conversion. I'm just I'm watching it here on
Twitter on a loop over and over again, and I
just remember, just there's there's a zero percent chance me
sitting in the stands thinking that somehow, some way the

(49:25):
Seahawks are gonna get two points on this play right here,
and then the refs just come up and say we're
reviewing this.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
I'm like, I don't know what they're reviewing, but okay,
cool review it.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
There's no way we're gonna get two points after reviewal
And then they come back and say, after further review,
was a backward pass?

Speaker 4 (49:44):
The two point conversion's good. I'm like, you know.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
What, this is just perfect for this game because this
game was stupid.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
Every part of this game was stupid.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
That part was stupid, and it was just stupid in
our favor.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
Tonight, it was uh stupid as good as adjective as
as you get picked up, right, I mean, I don't know.
I mean, I feel like I've been watching football for
a minute and I've never seen that. I mean, you know,
the closest thing I can say is the backwards pass
in the Apple Cup.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
Right, the hi ellis in the back past, you know, and.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Trying to discern it. Did he actually throw it backwards?

Speaker 5 (50:24):
And uh, you know, to give Charponnay credit for like
hustling to get it, there's no hustle to get it.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
He just happened to be there. He picked it up.

Speaker 5 (50:34):
Just pick it up like it's not if he would
have run over and and dove on it, I would
have said, way to be heads up. I think I
think him in a quiet moment, and we can say
this with a smile on her faces, like he was
just as clueless as all of us. He just happened to,
you know, he picked it up just I don't know,
he didn't he didn't have any urgency to.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Pick it up like it was a score. I'll put
it that he didn't turn the rough and go.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
That's a score.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
That's a score, like I got it, you.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
Know, like.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
You know, sometimes the football gods kind of you know, Gracia.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
You know what, if you were to hit the other
side of the helmet, it would have been.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
Bounding, you know, backwards the way.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah, well, you know in theory, the Rams could have
scooped and scored it.

Speaker 5 (51:12):
I mean, just you know, the the ball bounced the
Seahawks way. Yes, And we could say that figuratively and
we could say that literally.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
Assist to the boss.

Speaker 6 (51:23):
Here.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
You only the second time in NFL history a team
goes three for three on two point conversions in a
football game, and it has not happened in seventeen years
since the two thousand and eight Falcons. The Seahawks go
three for three on two point conversions, including that bizarre one,
and uh, you know, hats off to all the fantasy

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team members that have Zach Charbonay that win their week
this week because they got that two point conversion because
he decided to.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Just pick the ball, decided to pick it up, get.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Two points on that play.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Hey, h before before we wrap things up to night,
let's talk about ken Walker. Let's talk about this running
game ken Walker. Eleven carries one hundred yards. Obviously one
monster touchdown run that was the bulk of it. But
even if you take that out, it's still like ten
carries for fifty yards. I mean, still a solid game

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for ken Walker. The running game seemed like it was
going tonight. Twenty five carries one hundred and seventy one
yards at six point eight yards per carrying two touchdowns.
The piece that you and I thought that, Hey, if
there's Achilles heel, if there's something that keeps the Seahawks
from the super Bowl, it's gonna be because they can't

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run the football, and they did it tonight.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Yeah, I'm gonna have to see what the success rate was.

Speaker 5 (52:45):
I think they you know, you know, I think the
slugging rate was good because of the of the home run,
but I'm not sure if the average was good in
terms of the success, but that would be exhibit A
for I think for those of us who are walker advocates,
because that play was that was a duo to the

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left now supposed to go over the either the A
gap or the B gap, depending on the front and
how it plays out and how it's blocked. On the
left side, he sees he sees a crease on the
on the B gap on the back side. The opposite side,
the B gap is between the gard and the tackle
on the right side of the line, not the over

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left guard. And and so he runs to daylight. But
now he has the freaking juice to finish the play. Yeah,
And to me, if you just keep if you keep
chopping wood, all of a sudden, you know, you get
that dude with that kind of speed and he can
close the sail and in ways that Charbonnay cannot because

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once he got a little space, it's like, Okay, here's
your house call.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Fifty five yards later, just a vital out.

Speaker 5 (53:58):
That I meant at that point that puts Seattle up
fourteen to thirteen after that abysmal first half where the
only thing he did good is play good red zone defense,
so that at least it was within reach at thirteen
to seven at halftime, and all of.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
A sudden, you're we're head fourteen to thirteen.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
How the hell did this happen? And so now the
screenpay the screen pass that in the first drive down
to the six yard line, what was his that was
his long where it was that was forty six yards?

Speaker 2 (54:37):
That's Clint Kobiak.

Speaker 5 (54:40):
Yes, really, I think there's a lot of running backs
that could have you know, got forty six yards out
of that. Credit Kenneth Walker. That's that's the play calling.
So great job starting. We talked, everybody talked about this
is very important, vital for Seattle to get a good start, right.
I mean, in the first half, the first weeks one

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through ten, the Seattle Seahawks were number one in the
NFL in first half points, number one or averaging nineteen
and a half in the last five average ten and
I think they ranked twenty fourth in that span, and
so it had to get off to a good start
because of what's been happening in recent weeks.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
So that screen passed.

Speaker 5 (55:27):
Hell of a job by Clint Kubiak to get that.
That was the catalyst of that play. Then you had
you had what's called Texas routes where where he was
running like he's going to angle out and then breaking
back in. Some people call it an angle route, but
the West Coast off and Mike Cohen would call it

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a Texas route.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
But he was catched in those. I mean, he had had.

Speaker 5 (55:54):
Sixty four yards of receiving and you know first downs
I think on don't on that. I know at least
two out of three of them were first down.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
So so he showed up in the in the passing
game as.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Well, one hundred and sixty four total yards for ken
Walker tonight. And you know, it's funny how it's funny
how things even out. Because I was mentioning this in
the show to earlier on today that Matthew Stafford in
his last three wins against Seattle has beaten the Seahawks
by one, by six, and overtime, and by two, and

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tonight he lost by one. You know, it's just it's
just funny how things can balance out. Matthew Stafford was
due a loss to the Seattle Seahawks, and despite him
playing unbelievably well tonight, he got the loss and that's
just the way football works.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
Right. You play some crappy games.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
I'm sure you have gone out and played some crappy
games sometimes and still you went to the locker room.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
And you're like, hey, dude, I just we just won
that game.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
That's pretty another target defense.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
And then other times you've been like, man, I was
dialed in and we just we just didn't get it
done tonight.

Speaker 4 (57:08):
And it's just that's just the way sports is. It's
the way football is.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
It all comes back to haunt you, and it haunted
the Rams tonight. And the Seahawks now have twelve wins,
and they have now matched nineteen eighty four, twenty fourteen,
twenty twenty. Those are the only three years they've ever
had twelve wins, and the only years they've ever had
thirteen wins is two thousand and five and thirteen.

Speaker 4 (57:32):
So they can match their all.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Time winning this regular season with a win next week
against Carolina.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
It's well, Dick, let me go back to what you
were saying about Matthew Stafford. Yes, so really what we have,
let's kind of say big picture here. When Pete Carroll
was let go and Mike McDonald's was brought in. The
two guys that the Seahawks targeted were Ben Johnson and
Mike McDonald. Ben Johnson obviously off its coordinated for the Lions,

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who's now the head coach of the Bears, and they
talked to him both, and there was a much better
feel for Mike McDonald. And the idea was, you got
to match intellectual horsepower against Sean McVay. And so you
bring it in, we're gonna absolutely throw out the last
game of last year. It doesn't it doesn't matter, right,

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that's the jv that's the that's the Geno six million
dollar game, and that was the Jimmy Garoppolo.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Okay, so we're gonna limit. So they've played three times.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
Actually, when you talk about like if we're not talking
about Seahawks versus Rams, you're talking about Mike McDonald versus
Sean McVay, Mike McDonald's two and one.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Because in the game.

Speaker 5 (58:43):
In Seattle a year ago, the Rams only had one touchdown,
they had thirteen points in regulation, and they had seven
three and outs, a season high, And so that nod
went to Mike McDonald.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
And then this year down in in so far that nods.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
Yeah, And because the the the Rams had their lowest
yard is total both total yards and passing yards.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Uh Stafford only had one hundred and thirty yards.

Speaker 5 (59:16):
So that match went to McDonald now and we won
tonight McVeigh. So McDonald is two and one, and yet
the scores of the game are the inverse. And so
I mean, I think that's a sensible conclusion to all that,
and so you know, but uh uh, I'm still I

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still don't quite know how to explain how Seattle won
this game.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
No, I know, man, it's it's unbelievable. When when are
we gonna hear you tomorrow?

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Because I'm you know what, after this, I I I
need a I need a.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Holiday break and I'm taking vacation.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
I'm out.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
When I head st it's up, I'm out. When do
we hear you tomorrow?

Speaker 5 (01:00:03):
Eight am with Chuck and Buck on Yes, the Monday
morning quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
And then you're.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Right and then yeah, yeah, it's gonna be with the
in and I think with am I with you tomorrow
or no, I'm out, You're out. I'm with David Tomo
on that. Any event, Here's what I'll promise you.

Speaker 5 (01:00:23):
Yes, my alarm is gonna get set probably four thirty
because that's when I have access to the coach's tape.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Okay, sometimes it's hard to get up to go watch
the tape. It's not gonna be hard. When that thing rings,
I'm gonna be like a fresh marine, dude.

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
It's gonna be like taps is playing in my ear,
and I'm gonna go straight to my computer and I'm
gonna put up and on my left side, I'll have
the all twenty two from the sideline, and on the
right side, I'll have the end zone and they're in
a cut. I watch them simultaneously, and I'm gonna I
am going to dissect this tape for eight am because
I can't wait to delve into all the nuances of

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this game. I think we can have a five hour
based on everything that happened in this football game.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
The Seahawks have won nine of their last ten games,
which include wins over the Jaguars, wins over the Texans,
and wins over the Rams.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
Like it's it is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
It ain't just we're beaten crappy teams anymore. That was
the narrative for a long long time, and the Seahawks
are now twelve and three on the season with two
games left to play, and they control their own destiny
for the number one seed and home field all the

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way to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (01:01:41):
Great Stuffy, Hey, Hey, A quick note on that, because
I think it's important.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
I think this is what I'm about to say. I
think it's important to the people in the building that rent.

Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
If you go back to a year ago when they
got smoked by Buffalo thirty one to ten, that was
Week eight. Since that time, all of the rest of
the season and all of this season, they've only had
one game that got away from him, that was the Packers.
Every single other game, the Seahawks have been right there.

Speaker 6 (01:02:13):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:02:13):
They lost a couple of them, but they've every single
one of them have been within a touch, within a score.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
It's it's almost like we you know, we talked about
that with Pete Carroll on the Heyday. They went like
eighty five straight games without losing a game by more
than one score, and where like we're.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
Getting back to that point. It is unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Was it more than one score or was it double
digit or.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
It was more than more than one.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
It was more than one score, like eight, it was
more than eight points?

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Eight?

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
Yeah, yeah, more than it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Was more than one score. It was eighty something games
in a row. I don't remember exactly what I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Think of this. Yes, our coaches in his second year.

Speaker 5 (01:02:52):
I know we're getting up against it. Our coaches in
the second year. The quarterback is in his first year
with a first year coordinator. And when the Super Bowl
is played this February, hopefully Seattle'll be in it. Matthew
Stafford will be thirty eight and Sam Donold will be
twenty eight. That's great call in year one in a program.
So I think, look, do I think he's I'm Pat Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm I'm pretty silly, but
I'm not that silly.

Speaker 5 (01:03:20):
But I I wish that people would have a little
bit more support for this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Yeah, you know, and realize he's.

Speaker 5 (01:03:28):
In year one, he's in and and for like thirty
nine games for thirty nine starts, going back to four
teams over three years, he's won sixty eight percent of
his games, and we're booing him like he's like he's uh,
Zach Wilson or something.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:03:45):
I don't know, I don't I don't quite get it.
I wish people kind of get behind him a little bit.
But at least we can't. Nobody can say that he's
never won a big game. That's right, that's right for right,
because he was a big part of this these last
two years, no question about it, Hugh.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
Great stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Man, get some sleep. He got about six hours of sleep,
all right, and then here alarm goes up at four thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Be right, okay, thanks enjoying your time off.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
Appreciate it. We'll do and we'll be back with you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
I'll be back with Hugh in about a week and
a half and we'll get the Hopefully the Seahawks will
take care of business next game coming up on the
twenty eighth against the Carolina Panthers, see if they can
go to thirteen.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
In three on the season.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Great stuff from Hugh, Travis Moger, thank you very much
for running the show back there.

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
We're here from Jimmy's on first after.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
Honestly, guys, the most improbable Seahawks victory since the NFC
Championship Game win over the Packers, and there is, like
I there's no close second, like this is the most
improbable Seahawks win in this stadium since that game when
Russell Wilson just decided to throw forty seven picks and

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then end up somehow.

Speaker 4 (01:05:02):
Winning the game.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
It was an unbelievable, entertaining night at Lumenfield. The Seahawks
get the win and they have the number one seed
and all they gotta do is win the last two games.
It's gonna be tough at Panthers, at Niners. This is
no Kwak. It's gonna be tough, but they can do it.
We'll talk to you later on ninety three point three

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