How “stepping Out In Faith” paved a path to the Calvin University presidency for Greg Elzinga (06-01-25)

On this week's episode, host Phil Tower devotes the full program to a conversation with Greg Elzinga, President of Calvin University.
Greg Ezinga was officially named the 13th president of Calvin University in October 2024.

He joined us to talk about his path to this significant and esteemed leadership position at one of the nation's most respected and successful Christian universities.

Elzinga is a 1990 graduate from Calvin University, and he served as president of Calvin University since February 2024.

Before that, he served as the university’s vice president for advancement. 

Previously, Elzinga served as director of global engagement at Partners Worldwide, following a successful business career.

Things we touch on in this exclusive interview with Greg Elzinga, President at Calvin University:

**Being the first in his family to attend college. 

**How and why Calvin University pre-health graduates are in high demand. 

** National Notoriety and success for Calvin: 
U.S. News & World Report's 2025 Best Colleges Guidebook lists Calvin University as the best university for undergraduate teaching and as the second most innovative school in its Regional Universities Midwest category.  

**Greg's powerful story about a real "stepping out in faith" moment."

**His special experience speaking to graduates at the Calvin Prison Initiative program 

**Why Calvin University has strong commitments to diversity, equity, and inclusion.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is iHeartRadio's West Michigan Weekend. West Michigan Weekend is
a weekly program designed to win form and enlightened on
a wide range of public policy issues, as well as
news and current events. Now here's your host, Phil Tower.
Welcome in.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's West Michigan Weekend here on iHeartRadio. I'm so glad
you have tuned in and in this program this week.
I'm really proud to dedicate the entire program nearly thirty
minutes to the brand new president of Calvin University, Calvin's
thirteenth president. In fact, Greg Elzinga is in studio with us.

(00:39):
He was interim president in March and twenty twenty four,
officially named president in October twenty twenty four, and for
some crazy reason, he's agreed to come down to Wood
Radio and do an interview with us in studio.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
I'm so glad, I'm so glad you're here. Thank you,
Thanks Phil. It's great to be with you today. Appreciate
the opportunity to.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Share congratulations on this role. This is pretty exciting. You
are a Calvin alum class of nineteen ninety and I
also happened to know you were first in your family
to go to school, to go to college and go
to Calvin, which is pretty exciting. Give us a little
bit of a background for listeners, Greg, where are you from?

(01:19):
And talk about your family if you would please.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Yeah, give you a little bit of a reader's dies version.
I grew up on the South side of Chicago, and
as you mentioned, first generation college student, came to college,
came to Calvin back in the fall of nineteen eighty six,
not knowing exactly what I wanted to study or major in,
and through my time at Calvin really discovered a passion

(01:44):
for communications in business. It was those two things combined.
So I studied communications arts and science in business. But
then I graduated Calvin and I didn't have what I
would call a career job. And I met my then
girlfriend now of thirty three years at Calvin and she
grew up in Florida, so we moved to Florida and

(02:05):
got married after we graduated, and my career started in
the telecommunications industry with a company that was AT and
T and then eventually became known as Lucent Technologies. And
I was in sales and sales leadership in a variety
of roles, and went for my master's in business on
nights and weekends. Did that for just about twelve years,

(02:26):
and then we relocated back here to Grand Rapids in
two thousand and three, and I switched from Lucent Technologies
to another well known company called fed X. I've heard
of them, yes, yes, And I was a sales leader
for the state of Michigan for fed X. And then
after that actually took a pretty significant career switch phil

(02:48):
I moved into the nonprofit space and worked for an
organization here in Grand Rapids that was doing economic development
work around the world, so basically helping people out of
poverty through small business growth and job creation based in
Grand Rapids, but had the opportunity to work throughout India,
the Philippines, a little bit of East Africa, Haiti, and
Central America. Did that for ten and a half years,

(03:09):
and then made the switch to then Calvin College, my
alma mater, back in January of twenty eighteen, and now
it's been seven plus years that have been at Calvin.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Kind of an attracting thing to go back to a
place you feel very familiar with, right.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Very much so, And I'll I have to share this
story because this is part of the journey back to Calvin.
When I was working in this nonprofit organization called Partners
Worldwide based here in Grand Rapids, I would travel to
different countries and I would meet people in India or
the Philippines or Kenya, and one way or another, our
conversation would come back to Calvin College at the time,

(03:49):
and inevitably, the people I met in many of these
countries would say, oh, you went to Calvin College. I
know people that went to Calvin College here in Kenya
or India or Philippines. Let me tell you what they're
doing in our community or country. And what I heard
phil repeatedly was stories of men and women who graduated
from Calvin and were working all over the world reflecting

(04:11):
our mission statement. Pretty exciting and even though the people
telling me these stories didn't see it that way, it
was just further reinforcement that I have the opportunity to
come back and work at my alma mater, which is
an institution that's sending young men and women all over
the world to make an impact about the best brand
ambassador you can have, Greg Elzinga, it's pretty exciting. I

(04:34):
was going to ask you this in just a moment,
but I want to ask you right now, because you
just talked about it. You were really on a fast
career track. You were super successful with FedEx sales leader,
as you mentioned here in Michigan, but you had mentioned
I think I just read this in a recent Chimes article.
Chimes is the Calvin University newspaper, where you talked about

(04:55):
stepping out in faith in moments in your life and
how important that was to you. And I really really
grabbed me because I think it's really important to talk
about that for a moment, if that's okay with you,
And that was a big move.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
I don't know how old you were then, but whether
you're you know, twenty eight or thirty eight or forty eight,
it takes a lot of courage to go from a
very successful position like that at FedEx to a small
Christian nonprofit partners worldwide, certainly a leap of faith. Can
you talk about that and just that process in your
mind and your heart? Obviously your Christian faith drives a

(05:30):
lot of this, but a lot of people greg that
have this difficulty making decisions like this, whether there are
people of faith or not. Can just talk about that
process if you will.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, I appreciate that, Phil. It was a very pivotal
chapter of my life. I was thirty eight years old,
so I guessed right, You guessed right. I was about
fifteen years into my corporate career and I was being
encouraged by a number of people at my church to
consider going to seminary to be a pastor, and my

(06:02):
wife and I talked about it. I prayed about it,
and I felt like the Lord was calling me to
do something else with the skills and experiences and lessons
learned that I've acquired in business, but I didn't see
myself being a full time pastoral ministry. But I typed
the word business and ministry into Google, and I had
no idea what I was going to even be looking for,

(06:24):
and up pops this organization called Partners Worldwide, based here
in Grand Rapids. It was birth out of the Christian
Reformed Church, was the denomination I grew up in, so
I quickly researched the organization. I thought, this is an
amazing organization doing high impact.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Work all over the world.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Their faith mission aligns with who I am. They're using
business as a way to impact people's lives in a
positive manner all over the world. So I got to
know them, and ultimately they offered me a job. The
challenge was, by then I had three young children, my
wife was a stay at home mother, and taking this
job was a sixty percent pay cut.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
To our family ouch.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
And so my wife and I talked about it for
a couple of weeks, prayed about it. But it was
so obvious that the Lord was leading me to this
type of opportunity. That seems so right. And I said,
even though there's going to be a huge financial impact
to our family and I don't really know how it's
all going to work out in the end, I feel like, Lord,

(07:27):
you're leading me in this direction. And we made that
step of faith, as you referenced, and it was one
of the best decisions I've ever could have made. It
was an amazing ten year chapter of my life being
able to meet amazing people around the world who are
doing great work. I got visibility into the gift of
business and entrepreneurship at some of the smallest levels in

(07:50):
some of the developing countries. I got to see how
God's working in and through his global church.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Around the world.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
And what I didn't know is many of the relationships
phil that I had the pleasure of engaging in a
Partners Worldwide were also key relationships back at Calvin College,
And so ultimately when I made that move from Partners
Worldwide to Calvin College, there were so many relationships donor

(08:17):
relationships key alumni that I had already gotten to know
in my ten years at Partners Worldwide that then transitioned
over to my time at Calvin. But that was a
big step of faith, but one that I could say,
I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing at Calvin if
it wasn't for my time at Partners Worldwide.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Well, and there's an important lesson in there that sometimes,
especially for people of faith, you've got to do that,
especially if you feel you're being called. And for that matter,
you could maybe Google Aren't you glad it wasn't Chat
GPT when you did that? It would have given you
thirty four different answers. Greg Elsing is in studio with us,
the thirteenth President knewest President of Calvin University, and we're

(08:55):
really pleased to have the opportunity to unpack a lot
with him in this conversation. By the way, you left
out an important part of that story on that leap
of faith with Partners worldwide, correct me if I'm wrong.
Didn't I read that as you are praying about this
and you're kind of trying to figure out, how are
we going to make this work? How are we going
to pay the mortgage? Your wife, Jackie got a part

(09:15):
time job offer. Is that what happened? And so this
extra money appeared out of nowhere? And it's like, oh,
my goodness, here's God's providence right there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
No, I appreciate you bringing that up because that is
an important part of the story. Right. So when I
had the job offer, we did some quick math, and
I realized that the amount of money I was going
to be taking home each month was going to be
less than what it was necessary to pay a mortgage
and keep our kids in school and sure foot on
the table. Yeah, and yet we felt we because my
wife said, this is a calling for us, even though

(09:46):
it was my job. And we did that together, and
we said, if this is going to work, Jackie, you
have to go back to work, for this is going
to make it whole. And she had nothing on the horizon,
and within about a month she got a job offer
for about twenty to twenty two hours a week for
just the right amount of money to make it work.

(10:07):
No more, no less, just the right amount.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Don't you love stories like that? Phil?

Speaker 3 (10:11):
It was it was I'm almost I was thirty eight
years of age. I've been raised in a Christian family,
gone to church my whole life. It was the first
time where I saw I took a true step of
faith and I saw God show up in a very
tangible way. And he continued that pattern throughout our ten
years at partners worldwide in so many different ways.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, and don't ask her underestimate Greg, how important it
is to have your wife, Jackie say, I'm on board
with this. This is for us, this is a calling
for us. It's a huge thing and an incredible blessing
you inherited as president. Quite a successful, beloved place, this
place called Calvin University, Calvin Prehealth graduates are in demand.

(10:55):
You've got some incredible statistics that I've been armed with
for this conversation. Number one in undergraduate teaching. This is
the highly coveted US News and World Report list twenty
twenty five Best Colleges guide book, and a lot of
people pay attention to this. Among the regional universities in
the Midwest category, Calvin is number one, and best undergraduate

(11:17):
Teaching number two, and most innovative Schools. That's got to
feel really great. Number four overall, number sixteen for best
value your engineering program in the top fifty best undergraduate
Engineering Programs list. That surprised me, Greg, I was thinking
Calvin Engineering. But that's quite a feather in the portfolio

(11:39):
of Calvin University in terms of programs. It's quite a
mantle you've inherited there. Talk about that, if you would please,
that's got to be an incredible honor. But you're going, boy,
how do we keep this going for another three to
five or seven years.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
No, you're right, and I am absolutely privileged to be
able to lead an institution that actually, starting this next year,
phil is going to have one hundred and fifty years.
So starting the twenty five twenty six academic year will
be Calvin's one hundred and fiftieth anniversary. So I do feel,
in many ways an immense responsibility that I'm a steward

(12:15):
of a university that has a tremendous history and reputation
for high academic excellence and rigor, but also one that
integrates the Christian faith into everything we do on a
daily basis, and so I feel a high snsed responsibility
to continue to steward this amazing mission at Calvin University.

(12:36):
And some of the stats you've just read off our
testimony to the literally hundreds of people that come to
teach and serve in different capacities every single day at
this great university. One of the things I did when
I stepped in just over a year ago is tried
to really reinforce the immense value and importance of the

(12:57):
role that everyone has. Oftentimes people will look at the
top job, the president, and how important that is, but
I'm really a caretaker of this of the work that
everyone's doing collectively. So yeah, whether it's the teaching recognition
we've received, whether it's been recognition as one of six
of one hundred and forty Christian colleges in the country

(13:17):
that's just received a research designation because we do a
lot of undergraduate research, or all the other recognition, it's
really a testimony to decades of just people doing excellent work,
whether it's in the classroom or staff or scholarship for many,
many decades.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
I got to tell you a personal story, one of
my favorite Calvin College stories in two thousand. Calvin College
had this wonderful honor and distinction of hosting a presidential debate.
I don't know if you remember that it was a
Republican presidential debate. There were a lot of candidates, candidates
like Pat Robertson and a lot of well known names.

(13:57):
But I got to broadcast live from cal In College
on Wood Radio and we did I think a full
three hour broadcast leading up to the debate, and I
just remember how well taken care of we were about
the staff at Calvin and just how exciting the process was.
You could tell there was an absolutely palpable sense of

(14:17):
energy and electricity in that place, and it was one
of my fondest experiences at Calvin. And along with January series,
we've had a partnership Wood Radio here is at iHeartRadio
for years and got to be involved with that. But
just I'm thinking, Greg, as you're talking, especially that partners

(14:37):
worldwide story and all the people you met with Calvin backgrounds,
we could do another program part two. We ought to
just do rockstar alums of Calvin University. I mean, you
could come with a list, we could do a whole
segment on that. Can we maybe work on that for
down the road.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
I would love that because there are so many of
them Phill And what a lot of people in Grand
Rapids may not know because they think of Calvin. If
they know of Calvin College or now Calvin University, they
think it's this school off the corner of the beltline
in Burton Street, and it's a beautiful tree filled campus.
It is, but it's not one that you would normally
drive through. So if you don't have any connection to it,

(15:12):
you just drive by and you don't think anything of it.
But every year this institution now right now, we have
thirty six hundred students coming from forty eight states around
the US, over fifty five countries around the world, representing
over fifty denominations Christian denominations. The last few years, we've
had students applying to Calvin from over ninety different nations.

(15:36):
And I mentioned that because it goes back to our alumni.
We have about sixty five thousand living alumni Calvin University.
And one of the things that I have often said
to our team, the more I travel around the world
and we all live in this culture right now that
seems increasingly complex or divisive or polarized, but yet I

(15:58):
hear story after story of Calvin alumni who are living,
working and serving in their local communities as Christ agents
of renewal in the world. And that's the second part,
that's the last part of our mission statement. At Calvin.
We equip students to think deeply, want them critical thinkers,
analytical thinkers, to act justly, but then to live wholeheartedly

(16:20):
as Christ agents of renewal in business, in media, in education,
in healthcare, in engineering, as you mentioned earlier. And so
it's just it's an absolute honor to go around the
country or around the world and just see our alumni
being really a physical manifestation of our mission statement.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Greg Elzinga in studio with US President Calvin University. You
can learn more and a lot more at Calvin dot EU.
You've been on the job a little over six months.
I think I had that right. What have you learned
so far? What excites you? What are you looking at
going hmm. We have some opportunities here, some challenges give

(17:00):
us a high level of view. Some things you've seen
so far, what excites you, what you're looking forward to
working on?

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Greg Elzinga, Yeah, I think one of the things I've
learned Phil is that being in the role of president,
you respond to a lot of different constituent groups. You know,
we have our current students, our faculty and staff. You
have the parents of current students. You have prospective students
that are coming to your university and their parents. You

(17:27):
have state and federal governments that you respond to church relationships.
So every single day is different in terms of who
I'm talking with. I mean, the fact that I have
the opportunity to even share with you today, and you
know your listening audience is a gift that I would
not have had in my previous role. So I think
one of the things is just the scope of the

(17:50):
work that I've been entrusted with has really kind of
hit me kind of between the eyes, if you would,
in a very positive way. I love it. I'm energized
by it. And then I think about our work at Calvin.
We have a great opportunity. We have this significant reputation
as I've traveled around the country and again to several
places around the world in my work with Calvin, Calvin

(18:13):
is seen as one of the top leading Christian universities
in North America, and if you think about Reformed Christian universities,
which is our theological background or accent. It's considered the
top and so we have this great academic reputation. As
I said earlier, we have young men and women applying
to Calvin from all over the world, so we want

(18:34):
to continue that growth for the university. We also see
I think you mentioned earlier about healthcare. We had twenty
five percent of our incoming class. We had a little
over a thousand students join us last fall, twenty five
percent of whom were pre health majors. So they want
to be pre med or nurses, or speech pathology, or
occupational therapy or physical therapy. So that's clearly a big

(18:57):
growth engine.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Greg L's President, Calvin University. With us, I want to
talk about something you just mentioned as a real strength
and something that's a really exciting thing about Calvin. The
ninety nations As far as applicants, did you say fifty
different aspects of the Christian faith, fifty different denominations who

(19:21):
are part of the university. I think a lot of
people may be listening to us think, well, you have
to be a part of the Reformed Christian faith to attend,
but no, it's very diverse. Obviously, having that Christian faith
is important, but there's a lot of pushback from the
current administration greg against THEI It's a very big topic

(19:43):
of conversation. A lot of organizations are wrestling with this.
But I think you were recently quoted saying that Calvin's
commitments to diversity, equity, and inclusion are quote not rooted
in a political, social, or cultural movement, but come from
the theological understanding of the beauty and value of all

(20:03):
humanity in the Kingdom of God. I got to tell
you you said that at a town hall. I understand. Yes,
that is one of the most beautiful, hit the nail
on the head statements about d I think I ever
could have heard. So I want to tip my hat
to you. I'm not wearing a hat in the studio,
but I got really inspired when I read that a
couple of days ago preparing for this conversation. Can you

(20:26):
talk about that, because I know you feel very passionate
about that. It's a core strength of Calvin. I'd love
to hear your thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Yeah, thanks for highlighting that Phil Calvin has for decades
lifted up the value of diversity of being an inclusive environment,
especially as we are attracting more students from across the
country and around the world. We wanted them when they
choose to come to Calvin University to feel like this

(20:55):
is their university home, this is where they belong. And
when you bring together people from around the country or
around the world with diverse lived experiences and perspectives, you
need to create an environment where everyone feels valued. And
for us at Calvin, that starts with what we call
the imago day, the image of God. Seeing each and

(21:17):
every human being as created in God's image, with a
different set of gifts and experiences and talents that and
we see that as our responsibility is to help cultivate
those and bring those out at Calvin during a very
formative stage of one's life eighteen to twenty two years
of age roughly to go out and to serve God

(21:37):
and to serve the world. But starting starting point for
that is seeing the image of God and every human being.
And I've said many times this has come up, as
you can imagine in today's day and age, where diversity
is seen as a bad thing, we see it as
celebrating the multicultural Kingdom of God on our campus.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
That way, a long time at Calvin. I've been in
grand rapid since nineteen eighty five. It's been diverse for decades.
That's the strength of the college now University. Greg Elsinga
in studio, President Calvin University, as we I have so
many questions, but we're closing in on the end of
our time. I do want to talk about something I
didn't even know you had. You guys have all kinds

(22:21):
of cool things happening at Calvin University year round. You
have this Calvin Prison Initiative that graduated ten students in May,
tenth year of the program. I understand you were part
of a convocation ceremony inside Handling Correctional Facility, which I
think is in ionia students representing the five current cohorts

(22:44):
in the Calvin Prison Initiative program. I want our listeners,
I want you to just listen. Tip your ear to
the radio, listen to this. These Calvin students inside the
prison spoke publicly there, or spoke in front of the
group of people, offering words of charge and encouragement for
President Elsinga ahead of his inauguration. How cool is that

(23:10):
I had no idea this happened. So talk about this.
Calvin Prison initiative. I'm getting excited about it because I take, Okay,
that's totally Calvin University. You were there, talk about that
just I've got a couple of minutes here. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
It is an amazing program. Pill. It's a joint effort
between Calvin Theological Seminary and Calvin University. It's now in
its tenth year of existence, and the students there are
literally pursuing a bachelor's degree. I mean, it's not a
diluted program. It has every ounce of academic rigor that
an on campus student would have. Here. In fact, the

(23:45):
Handling Prison is technically legally considered a campus location for
Calvin University with our accreditors, with the Higher Learning Commission,
so it's about as official as it can get. And
these students, many of whom are sent in in a
life sentence, are so engaged in their learning. It is

(24:05):
one of the most transformative experiences one could be part of.
And you mentioned my inauguration that actually happened before my
official inauguration on Calvin's campus on January twenty four and
I remember standing there receiving this charge, which is really
words of encouragement from these five prisoners who are going

(24:27):
through the program. And I was weeping as these men
were sharing things with me that were so beautiful and
so heartfelt about their experience at Calvin, what it has
meant to them, what it means to their family, and
ultimately what it means to the world. And it was
one of the most special moments I could have remembered

(24:48):
in my time.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
I'm so glad to hear that because I, first of all,
you just stop and ponder that how easy it would be,
whether it was the Board of Trustee or wherever leadership
team at Calvin ten years ago to say no. It's
fraught with too many potential risks. But saying yes, it

(25:10):
is exactly what this whole concept of loving Jesus and
serving the least of them, it's exactly what you guys
are all about at Calvin University. I really love that,
and I think it's so great that you're doing it.
And congratulations on ten years. Congratulations to those five people
who spoke. It's really exciting. Greg Elizingo with us in

(25:33):
studio president at Calvin University. I said, I had a
lot more questions I do want to ask you before
we run out of time. Real quickly. Did you see
the I'm assuming you saw the Calvin University first football game.
That was a big flipping deal here in West Michigan,
all over all over the Midwest. Were you there or

(25:53):
were you at least able to take in some of
the energy pregame?

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Talk about that if you will real quickly, Yeah, Phil,
that was an absolute great day for our campus community.
Our family are big football fans, so to have Calvin
football play their first game last year in the fall,
it was a beautiful day. The field was packed with
people with standing room only, sure and re engaged alumni

(26:18):
from all over the country. I would walk through the
tailgate section, Phil, and I would see people that said,
I haven't been back to Grand Rapids for twenty years,
but I wanted to come back to the Calvin football game.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Absolutely, you can't miss that. And they won their first game. Yeah,
got another season. It'll be here before you know it,
and that's super exciting. Hey, Greg, before we wrap up,
I want to ask you, is there anything you didn't
get to share with this iHeartRadio listening audience, so you
just love to share with them.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Yeah, I appreciate it. I think that maybe just a
closing comment is Calvin holds a special place in the
landscape of Christian higher education in our country and around
the world, and with that comes great responsibility. And while
I'm talking talking about the fact that we're drawing young
men and women from literally all over the world to
want to come to Calvin, we're also making an impact

(27:08):
here in West Michigan. We are deeply entrenched in communities
throughout West Michigan. In fact, one of the programs which
people can learn more about on our website is called Wayfinder.
We're actually offering a bachelor's degree route for underserved communities
within the four nine to five oh seven zip code,
which is one of the most economically depressed tip codes

(27:29):
in our city. And so we're finding ways to be
a trusted partner for learning. As we say in our
vision statement, we want to be a trusted partner for
learning throughout the academy, the church, in the world, and
for the welfare of our city and the healing of
the world. And that's part of a beautiful vision statement
that we have at Calvin. So while we do have

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a global impact, we do know that we have a
responsibility to our city of Grand Rapids as well.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
I love that and just another great thing to be
aware at Calvin Universe. You said, that's a wayfinder.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Program called the Wayfinder Program.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
Calvin dot edu is where you can learn more about that,
and you can read Greg's full page on the website
and that'll of course lead to other questions for the
next time we have them on. But we will do
that Rockstar Alums of Calvin University segment. That'll be the
Lightning Round for the second time that Greg elsing is here.
I've had a lot of fun speaking with you. Thank

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you so much for this opportunity.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Phil, Thank you really enjoyed our time together.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Greg elsinga is President, thirteenth president of Calvin University with
us on this full segment of West Michigan Weekend from iHeartRadio.
I'm Phil Tower. Thank you so much for tuning in.
We'll catch you next week.

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